October 28, 2019 Show with Kenneth R. Samples on “The End of the World As We Know It: How Leftists Have Adopted Doomsday Prophet Tactics to Drive Support Through Fear Mongering”

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Grieving a Late Wife and Introducing Kenneth R. Samples

Good afternoon, Cumberland County, Pennsylvania, Lake City, Florida and the rest of humanity living on the planet Earth. We're listening via live streaming at iron sharpens iron radio .com. This is Chris Arnzen your host of iron sharpens iron radio wishing you all a happy Monday on this 28th day of October 2019 and Today is a mixed a bittersweet blessing for me today.

The blessing is that I know that my precious late wife Who I had been married to for nearly 20 years Before the Lord took her home to eternal glory with himself the sweetness is that I know that she is in a far better place than I am and Than anyone listening to this program is experiencing because she is in Glory with her Savior her Lord her God and her friend and has been there with him in this eternal state since 2011 eight years now.

But the bitterness is that it's still to this day Even all these years later eight years later. It still feels sometimes Just as painful as the day she departed this earth, so I'd appreciate your special prayers today for me as it is always a day that is mixed with sadness and any day that really vividly Is connected to her in some special way?

When those days occur they always Strike some sadness in my heart, so I appreciate anyone who is my brother or sister in Christ today to pray for me and It is very providential that my guest today is Kenneth our samples.

Because Ken knew my precious late wife Julie and not many of my guests here on iron sharpens iron radio can make that claim he's one of the few and one of those who Knew her the longest because of the fact that Ken was one of my very first apologist slash theologian friends after I became a born-again Christian myself and He was one of the first people if not the very first person that I Requested to speak at a conference That I helped orchestrate with the church that I was a member of at that time Calvary Baptist Church of Amityville Long Island Which no longer exists it actually merged with First Baptist Church of Merrick and became Grace Reformed Baptist Church of Long Island in Merrick.

But Ken samples is our guest today, and he is the senior research scholar at reasons to believe and author of a number of books including Christian endgame careful thinking about the end times. Today we're going to be addressing the end of the world as we know it how leftists have adopted doomsday profit tactics to drive support through fear mongering and It is my honor and privilege to welcome you back to orange up in Zion radio my dear friend Ken samples.

Hello there Chris you on your very important Program and I appreciate your comments about your lovely wife Julie. I remember meeting her. I liked her right away. She's a very thoughtful and gracious person and I I remember going to New York with you and having dinner with your wife and.

So I want to tell you to hang tough brother. It is. It's great to have our confidence in in Christ it hurts to be without people we love so I I Appreciate you and I appreciate Julie and I appreciate the good work you do on your program.

And I appreciate you and what you just said very much brother Before we go into our subject at hand because our subject today is Basically a an adaptation of your knowledge on the various views of the end times and also your experiences with well-meaning but erring Christians Who were convinced that they have?

From the scriptures typically, but sometimes it's through a claimed Prophecy or vision or something, but very often it's just from a misinterpret misinterpretation of the scriptures Eisegesis, etc. Where we have at times many times throughout history Had our brothers in Christ warning those around them that with certainty Of the return of Jesus Christ is just around the corner sometimes with then a handful of years or even months or even days and One of the most striking examples of that that comes to mind is Harold camping and he obviously proved the World of the Lord approved that mr. Camping was wrong and he has proven every Date setter of the return of Christ to be wrong and So you have you have chronicled some of this in your Christian endgame book and we are adapting your knowledge of that to a somewhat different theme that is is somewhat connected But the end of the world as we know it how leftists have adopted doomsday prophet tactics to drive support Through fear-mongering and these leftists are very often doing so doing so with evangelical fervor and I I don't mean evangelical as if they are using the scriptures or the gospel as something to propel their warnings, but the the figments of the imagination of so-called scientists who Are doing so very often I'm not going to say in each and every case but very often most likely to Achieve some prominent place in the spotlight as a scientist to keep their jobs perhaps.

Because there are quite a number of scientists who do not believe that global warming or climate change is Going to at any time in the near future that they can detect bring any kind of catastrophe to this earth.

But if you could tell us About Christian endgame careful thinking about the end times before we begin our unique spin on that.

Christian Eschatology and the Problem of Date-Setting

Yeah, thank you, and one of the reasons that I wrote the book Chris when Christians are Irresponsible in the way that they interpret the apocalyptic literature of the Bible when they set date. You know you mentioned Harold Camping.

This happened in the 19th century. It's how it happened multiple times in the 20th century. Seems like every few years. Somebody thinks they've got a new insight on the book of Daniel the book of Revelation.

They make dates, but what drew my attention Chris is I'm I write in the field of Christian apologetics. How do we go about defending the faith? How do we show the? the reason and rationality of the Christian worldview.

But one of the points that I make in Christian endgame is that when Christians set date It creates apologetic problems for the church because skeptics and atheists non-believers. They hear about Camping's prediction.

Or various other people and they think well, they don't think that's a faulty Exegetical interpretation on the part of a particular Bible teacher. They think the Bible got it wrong and They take that as an opportunity to say well You know why would anybody have any confidence in the second coming or the truth of Christianity when these so-called preachers?

Predict all of these days. So in my book Christian endgame I really try to emphasize the idea of how to think about Christian eschatology. Rather than what to think about Christian eschatology. I Look at the different millennial views.

I look at the apocalyptic literature and I try to give some basic guidelines and principles and One of the principles is you know, we want to be very thoughtful and careful and cautious in the way that we approach these kinds of things so I think the I think the benefit of my book Christian endgame is I'm not going to tell you whether you should be a pre-millennialist a post-millennialist or an amillennialist.

I'm going to essentially lay down what all Christians can affirm about the second coming and About Christian eschatology and I'm going to try to point out strengths and weaknesses and the benefits I mean one of the great benefits of studying the Bible and studying eschatology is motivate us To be more dedicated to our life of godliness to live Meaningful life here and now because we don't know What the future holds in terms of timing and things like that.

So that's really kind of the emphasis that I like to bring. I try to help Christians learn how to navigate.

The.

Apocalyptic books of Scripture. I don't major in telling them you should hold this position and and not the others. So I hope a lot of your listeners will like that and we'll pick it up. It's a it's a it's a small book.

It's not one of those poems, but that's kind of where I'm coming from in the book.

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Let's say You disagree with your own? Pastor or church on the end times or even on The specifics discussion that we're having today. There are even evangelicals who have bought into a lot of the lies about a catastrophe awaiting us within a decade because of man-made global warming and Other things and this is not the first time these kinds of things have happened.

There was even Ken you may even recall in the.

1970s.

There was warnings of were warnings by scientists that we were approaching the second Ice Age and Leonard Nimoy who played mr. Spock on Star Trek even hosted a documentary narrated a documentary pointing to that Fact quote-quote and of course Decades have come and gone and now they're Scientists many of them are claiming the exact opposite to an Ice Age But to a catastrophe involving global warming, but if you have questions about that as well and and if you have Reasons to remain anonymous because of your question involving global warming or climate change alarmists You can remain anonymous, but if it's not a personal and private matter if it's just a general question Please give us at least your first name your city and state in your country of residence if you live outside the USA.

Well, one thing I can say off the top of my head Regarding this subject is that as Christians? We do know that Christ will be returning visibly and physically. He will be judging Those who have Disobeyed him those who have rejected him and of course, he will be glorifying His saints in heaven with him for all eternity and this earth Will be destroyed.

There will be a new heaven and a new earth but what we can do when we Have conversations with our global warming or climate change alarmist friends or those that we just Providentially happen to come into contact with We can assure them that the reason this world will be destroyed has nothing to do with Our involvement in climate change.

Could I be at least correct on that issue that we can share with those that we know?

Yeah, I think that's right on what I call in my book your Christian eschatology. And again, whether you're pre-mill all mill post all of us beliefs who affirms going to return he's going to resurrect He's going to judge He is going to Destroy the universe and there's going to be a new creation although There are Christians who disagree about whether it'll be a brand spanking new or whether the earth will be issues, but That's exactly right.

I mean One of the great truths that is in Scripture that was reflected in the Protestant Reformation, particularly in the reformed tradition is That great truth that God is sovereign That his will will be done with regard to the world and in which we live and that God is in control.

With that of that that doesn't mean that We are not to exercise appropriate responsibilities. But one of the great things about being a Christian Is the great assurance that the Lord is in control of the world and even when we go through pain and difficulty Chris we talked about the loss of your lovely wife Julie.

One of the things that really helps us in times of difficulty is knowing that God is still in control of all of those things. And so I think there are clearly times where You know people talk about the the news and they talk about the world as as if As if God is not in the throne and and the Christian world you have to insist that God is not only the creator and Redeemer, but he is the Lord of all things.

Amen, and in fact Pretty much all of the major eschatological views.

Within.

Christendom Perhaps except for Amillennialism which I am a part of that eschatological view. And of course not all amillennialists agree. There are even differences amongst amillennialists of between different levels of optimism or pessimism regarding the The increase of sin on this planet or the increase of godliness.

And of course you have differences between those that are partial preterists and amillennialists in their eschatology as I am and others that have more of a futurist understanding of the vast majority of prophetic texts about the end times in the scriptures but most Eschatological views would not Consider the destruction of the earth as Something that is right around the corner because even for instance Pre-tribulational Dispensationalists believe that there will be a thousand-year reign on this earth after the return of Christ.

Postmillennialists certainly put off the return of Christ Many within or should I say Minimally centuries from now. Or at least a century from now most postmillennialists I know do not have a view that the end of the world Is a right around the corner.

And as I said amillennialists, I guess you could be more prone to have in your your thinking that the physical destruction of the earth could be within Our lifetime. Those of us who are speaking and listening Or soon or even like very soon but your typical amillennialist is not Saying that the destruction of the earth is approaching rapidly within a handful of years Other than Harold camping who was an oddball amongst all millennialists that he took that position obviously which turned out to be false but We can at least all say that Christians for the most part agree That even if you remove the the atmospheric man-made global warming aspect of the destruction of this earth Christians are pretty much in agreement that the physical destruction of the earth is Not very soon on our horizon.

Am I right on that? I.

Think that that's right. I mean, I think when we think about it in broad theological categories God is again Invested great things in the world that he has created. Scientists indicate that we live in a special place a habitable zone within Not only the galaxy but the solar system in which we live.

Earth is a special place. It has all it's to allow for human beings to live and thrive. And so theologically God is in control of these things. That doesn't mean that humans can act irresponsibly. I mean Chris there are talk about things like creation care.

Sometimes I think that can be taken to there are people that talk about Responsible ecology who look at the environment and say that you know, this is a world that God gave us. Yes, we're made in the image of God and therefore we should.

We should try to be responsible for these kinds of things.

Yes, I mean even though God gave in the Old Covenant Sabbath rest for the animals So, I mean he did obviously right care about creation. And I think I find it interesting. I've I don't know if I've ever heard anyone mentioned this connection before in regard to The story the The analogy that Nathan the Prophet gave to David when he was talking about some Evil act where a man's pet lamb was taken from him and that this pet lamb was viewed as a child by this man and The lamb was butchered cooked and eaten and this this analogy that was using was being told to David as if this was a real occurrence and that that struck rage and vengeance in the heart and mind of David and then Nathan said you're the man who's basically talking.

He was talking about the murder of Uriah the Hittite the husband of Bathsheba with whom David committed adultery and Whom David impregnated and he actually had this murder arranged to cover up the pregnancy or cover up his responsibility in the pregnancy.

But I find it interesting that a God inspired story was given to Nathan to instill rage in David's heart and mind that involved an animal and Although one could obviously say that it was sinful For David to be more concerned over an animal than Uriah the Hittite a human being At the same time.

I think that God and you could give me your own input on this and this demonstrated a Understanding upon God's omniscient mind that humans should instinctfully Be concerned over God's creation which includes the animals and that you know, he used that story for a reason involving an animal he didn't he didn't he didn't give Nathan a story about a man's daughter or son or a Human he used to use an animal.

Am I going way beyond the bounds of exegetical properness?

My parents they grew up in West Virginia a very rural state to Mike. She'll my parents looked at animals differently than I do. I kind of anthropomorphize animals. My parents looked at animals in very practical terms.

They needed to be cared for. My parents grew up on a farm. The animal the work that animals did the food that they provided Was very very critical and so, you know David as the Shepherd. That's that's gonna speaking his language.

He knows the importance of Caring for animals the value of animals and I think within a broad Christian Eschatological perspective We're made in the image of God. Creation is a gift to us were to use it wisely.

You know again, I think Chris and I'll say this Candidly because I think it's accurate. I think when you stop believing in God, you can't stop worshiping. You have to attach yourself to something else.

And I think many people who are secular who have given up maybe in a traditional Biblical point of view rejected the Judeo-Christian religions, for example. Environmentalism becomes the adopted religious perspective, but they talk about environmentalism in these very broad terms.

You know in very apocalyptic Eschatological terms, so I think part of what you have described as this Tendency on the part of some who are on the political left to speak Apocalyptically, I think part of that reflects their rejection of Again a biblical point of view and and so well, you know, we have to do everything we possibly can to You know mitigate against global warming because that's all they have.

That's where their hope is. That's where their perspective is. I mean, but I was in college the first time I remember reading the book the population bomb and I thought oh my goodness. You know, there's going to be way too many people on the earth.

You know 30 years later, I realized that You know those catastrophe ideas. Often they don't carry a great deal of not only biblical weight. But they also sometimes are lacking in good scientific and good rational support as well.

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The Christian View of Creation, Stewardship, and Environmental Responsibility

Yes, it's the end of the world as we know it or is it? That's basically the theme today that we have with my dear friend of many years Kenneth. Our samples. Senior research scholar at reasons to believe an author of a number of books including Christian endgame.

Careful thinking about the end times today. We are taking a different spin on that subject. And we are specifically addressing the end of the world as we know it. Question mark. How leftists have adopted doomsday prophet tactics to drive support through fear mongering?

If you have a question our email address is Chris Arnzen at gmail .com. Chris Arnzen at gmail .com. Please give us your first name at least your city and state of residence in your country of residence if you live outside of the USA and.

Please only remain anonymous if your question involves a personal and private matter. One of the things I was going to ask you Ken is that there have been.

Environmental.

Advocates propping up climate change others talking about the impact of the Amazon fires still others wringing their hands about the shifting of the earth's magnetic poles all proclaiming the end of the world with some of The same fundamental zeal that we've been hearing from eons past.

What can we unanimously say as Christians. That even though we have some of us very serious and perhaps polar opposites views on Eschatology at least all claiming the essential that Christians must believe that Jesus will visibly and physically return and that the dead will be raised and Those who are lost will be judged and those who are saved will be glorified.

But what what can how can we in a unified voice? attempt By God's grace to stop these folks in their tracks.

Yeah, I appreciate. You can first insist Christian worldview says that that God is the creator of the world that he is the Redeemer.

And.

That he is the Lord Almighty and That our ultimate confidence is is in him. It's interesting, you know as.

As.

Much as people have made mistakes in predicting date. The Bible has a lot to say about eschatology. I think there was one biblical scholar who said He counted up the number of references to the second coming and it's a lot.

So I think what we can say is look the Bible talks about In the book of Genesis and various other places that God is the creator. But the Lord is also in control of the the eschaton He is in control of and that our confidence is in in the Lord.

I think we can also say look we. We are trying to be very responsible people. You know pollution can be a problem. There is a place for a reasoned and careful In environmental. Christians as well should appreciate the technology.

It's certainly the case that some within the scientific community don't hold the biblical worldview, but but many actually do and I think what we can say is look. It's possible Chris and I. I think it's in fact the case as I mentioned before the break.

But I think a lot of times when people stop believing in God because they're made to be lovers and worshipers. They just turn their attention to something else and you need some kind of ultimate meaning and purpose in life and people.

People often go to money or power or sex, but those are often not big enough. So we go to politics. Or if we want something even more than just the political we'll go to the geopolitical and that includes the the environmental issues and.

And a lot of times people are not willing to kind of make a reasoned careful case for these things. They think that the only way we can get you know, the majority of people to move our way is by making these.

Exaggerated.

Distorted claims and I can tell you while I'm not a scientist I work at reasons to believe we have a Scholar team of scientists. I have one associate who holds the PhD in climatology. And so I pick his brain and he has essentially said look.

Yeah, there there are there are warming trends. But to what degree the human carbon footprint has contributed to that. That's a controversial and debated perspective and He thinks that the catastrophe ism is just wildly Overstated.

So, you know, here here is the guy. He's a Christian. He's an evangelical. He may be even listening to your program. You know, he says look we. There there are concerns that people have. But I think that oftentimes The claims that are made really Chris reflect a person's worldview.

Then again, I'm not against Environmentalism but radical environmentalism, I think is. It's not terribly rational and and certainly not biblical.

Yes, and the thing that is disturbing one of the many things that is disturbing about this is that Unanimously these leftists will almost unanimously Because even the founder of Greenpeace that leftist environmental Fear-mongering organization Even the founder of that organization withdrew his membership because he knew That the fear-mongering about global warming was based on fiction.

He knew that this was not scientific Fact that they were basing this on. But The fact that these politicians They act as if and they they basically say as much that All scientists are in agreement over this and of course, that's a lie because there are scientists who are adamantly opposed to this and There's enough scientific evidence Opposing this notion that as I said, even the founder of Greenpeace Disassociated himself with these folks that are Environmental doomsday Fear-mongers.

But but it is it is a deceptive and Deceitful and evil thing that is going on because Either they know for a fact that they are misrepresenting The truth the scientists that are being cited Or they are just as all finite fallible men are there They're incorrect just like these scientists were in the 70s the 1970s predicting the Ice Age but to dismiss a considerable Percentage of the scientific world who adamantly opposes this Fear-mongering which they think is based totally on lies and so on.

It is something that is very evil because of the fact that much if not most of the the things that Leftists insist we do in order to reverse man-made climate change and global warming. The things that they want to legally implement are always things that hurt Those that they claim to be champions to defend that is the impoverished Those folks are the ones that are hurt the most they lose their jobs.

They lose their jobs with the growing prohibitions on For the lumber industry and you could go on and on and on with the the different things that even trying to outlaw Oil and Fracking and all these kinds of things that there are many people who are in middle income to poverty level Financial situations who depend upon those those jobs in those industries.

So it's it's amazing that that the liberals have always and the leftists I should say They've always claimed to be champions for the underdog the impoverished, but they are really in many cases destroying their lives.

Yeah, I think you I think you make some really Powerful points there Chris. Some of this kind of radical environmentalism it has a.

It has.