October 28, 2019 Show with Kenneth R. Samples on “The End of the World As We Know It: How Leftists Have Adopted Doomsday Prophet Tactics to Drive Support Through Fear Mongering”

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This is Chris Arnzen, your host of Iron Sharpens Iron Radio, wishing you all a happy Monday on this 28th day of October 2019, and today is a mixed, bittersweet blessing for me today.

The blessing is that I know that my precious late wife, who

I had been married to for nearly 20 years before the

Lord took her home to eternal glory with himself, the sweetness is that I know that she is in a far better place than I am, and than anyone listening to this program is experiencing, because she is in glory with her

Savior, her Lord, her God, and her friend, and has been there with him in this eternal state since 2011, eight years now.

But the bitterness is that it's still, to this day, even all these years later, eight years later, it still feels sometimes just as painful as the day she departed this

Earth. So I'd appreciate your special prayers today for me, as it is always a day that is mixed with sadness, and any day that really vividly is connected to her in some special way, when those days occur, they always strike some sadness in my heart.

So I appreciate anyone who is my brother or sister in Christ today to pray for me.

And it is very providential that my guest today is Kenneth R. Samples, because Ken knew my precious late wife,

Julie, and not many of my guests here on Iron Sharpens Iron Radio can make that claim, he's one of the few, and one of those who knew her the longest because of the fact that Ken was one of my very first apologist -slash -theologian friends after I became a born -again

Christian myself, and he was one of the first people, if not the very first, a person that I requested to speak at a conference that I helped orchestrate with the church that I was a member of at that time,

Calvary Baptist Church of Amityville, Long Island, which no longer exists, it actually merged with First Baptist Church of Merrick and became

Grace Reformed Baptist Church of Long Island in Merrick. But Ken Samples is our guest today, and he is the

Senior Research Scholar at Reasons to Believe, and author of a number of books, including

Christian Endgame, Careful Thinking About the End Times. Today we're going to be addressing the end of the world as we know it, how leftists have adopted doomsday prophet tactics to drive support through fear -mongering, and it is my honor and privilege to welcome you back to Orange, Irp, and Zion Radio, my dear friend

Ken Samples. Hello there, Chris, it's a pleasure to be with you again,

I always look forward to talking with you on your very important program, and I appreciate your comments about your lovely wife

Julie, I remember meeting her, I liked her right away, she's a very thoughtful and gracious person, and I remember going to New York with you and having dinner with your wife, and so I want to tell you to hang tough, brother, it is great to have our confidence in Christ, but it hurts to be without people we love, so I appreciate you, and I appreciate

Julie, and I appreciate the good work you do on your program. And I appreciate you and what you just said very much, brother.

Before we go into our subject at hand, because our subject today is basically an adaptation of your knowledge on the various views of the

End Times, and also your experiences with well -meaning but erring

Christians who were convinced that they have, from the scriptures typically, but sometimes it's through a claimed prophecy or vision or something, but very often it's just from a misinterpretation of the scriptures, eisegesis, etc.,

where we have at times, many times throughout history, had our brothers in Christ warning those around them that with certainty the return of Jesus Christ is just around the corner, sometimes within a handful of years or even months or even days, and one of the most striking examples of that that comes to mind is

Harold Camping, and he obviously proved, or the

Lord proved, that Mr. Camping was wrong, and he has proven every date -setter of the return of Christ to be wrong.

And so you have chronicled some of this in your Christian Endgame book, and we are adapting your knowledge of that to a somewhat different theme that is somewhat connected, but the end of the world as we know it, how leftists have adopted doomsday prophet tactics to drive support through fear -mongering, and these leftists are very often doing so with evangelical fervor, and I don't mean evangelical as if they are using the scriptures or the gospel as something to propel their warnings, but the figments of the imagination of so -called scientists who are doing so very often,

I'm not going to say in each and every case, but very often most likely to achieve some prominent place in the spotlight as a scientist, to keep their jobs perhaps, because there are quite a number of scientists who do not believe that global warming or climate change is going to, at any time in the near future, that they can detect, bring any kind of catastrophe to this earth.

But if you could tell us about Christian Endgame, careful thinking about the end times, before we begin our unique spin on that.

Yeah, thank you, Chris. Well, I wrote Christian Endgame, it was published in 2013, and one of the reasons that I wrote the book,

Chris, was that when Christians are irresponsible in the way that they interpret the apocalyptic literature of the

Bible, when they set dates, you know, you mentioned

Harold Camping, this happened in the 19th century, it happened multiple times in the 20th century, seems like every few years somebody thinks they've got a new insight on the book of Daniel, the book of Revelation, they make dates.

But what drew my attention, Chris, is I write in the field of Christian apologetics, how do we go about defending the faith, how do we show the reason and rationality of the

Christian worldview? But one of the points that I make in Christian Endgame is that when

Christians set dates, it creates apologetic problems for the

Church, because skeptics and atheists, non -believers, they hear about Camping's prediction, or various other people, and they think, well, they don't think that's a faulty, exegetical interpretation on the part of a particular

Bible teacher, they think the Bible got it wrong. And they take that as an opportunity to say, well, you know, why would anybody have any confidence in the

Second Coming or the truth of Christianity when these so -called preachers predict all of these dates?

So in my book, Christian Endgame, I really try to emphasize the idea of how to think about Christian eschatology rather than what to think about Christian eschatology.

I look at the different millennial views, I look at the apocalyptic literature, and I try to give some basic guidelines and principles.

And one of the principles is, you know, we want to be very thoughtful and careful and cautious in the way that we approach these kinds of things.

So I think the benefit of my book, Christian Endgame, is

I'm not going to tell you whether you should be a pre -millennialist, a post -millennialist, or an amillennialist.

I'm going to essentially lay down what all Christians can affirm about the

Second Coming and about Christian eschatology, and I'm going to try to point out strengths and weaknesses and the benefits.

I mean, one of the great benefits of studying the Bible and studying eschatology is to motivate us to be more dedicated to our life of godliness, to live a meaningful life here and now, because we don't know what the future holds in terms of timing and things like that.

So that's really kind of the emphasis that I like to bring. I try to help Christians learn how to navigate the apocalyptic books of Scripture.

I don't major in telling them, you should hold this position and not the other.

I hope a lot of your listeners will like that, and will pick it up.

It's a small book, it's not one of those poems, but that's kind of where I'm coming from in the book.

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If you live outside the USA, please only remain anonymous. If your question involves a personal or private matter, let's say you disagree with your own pastor or church on the

End Times, or even on the specifics discussion that we're having today, there are even evangelicals who have bought into a lot of the lies about a catastrophe awaiting us within a decade because of man -made global warming and other things.

This is not the first time these kinds of things have happened. There was even, Ken, you may even recall, in the 1970s, there were warnings by scientists that we were approaching the second ice age.

And Leonard Nimoy, who played Mr. Spock on Star Trek, even hosted a documentary, narrated a documentary, pointing to that fact, quote, quote.

And of course, decades have come and gone, and now scientists, many of them, are claiming the exact opposite to an ice age, but to a catastrophe involving global warming.

If you have questions about that as well, and if you have reasons to remain anonymous because of your question involving global warming or climate change alarmists, you can remain anonymous.

But if it's not a personal or private matter, if it's just a general question, please give us at least your first name, your city and state, and your country of residence if you live outside the

USA. Well, one thing I can say off the top of my head regarding this subject is that as Christians, we do know that Christ will be returning, visibly and physically.

He will be judging those who have disobeyed him, those who have rejected him, and of course he will be glorifying his saints in heaven with him for all eternity.

And this earth will be destroyed, there will be a new heaven and a new earth. But what we can do when we have conversations with our global warming or climate change alarmist friends, or those that we just providentially happen to come into contact with, we can assure them that the reason this world will be destroyed has nothing to do with our involvement in climate change.

Could I be at least correct on that issue that we can share with those that we know? Yeah, I think that's right.

I mean, you've kind of touched upon what I call in my book, near -Christian eschatology.

And again, whether you're pre -mill, awe -mill, post -mill, whether you're a preterist, all of us believe, as Christians who affirm

Biblical inerrancy, the truth of Scripture, Christ is going to return, he's going to resurrect, he's going to judge, he is going to destroy the universe, and there's going to be a new creation, although there are

Christians who disagree about whether it'll be a brand spanking new, or whether the earth will be renewed.

So, Christians differ about those kinds of issues. But that's exactly right.

I mean, one of the great truths that is in Scripture that was reflected in the

Protestant Reformation, particularly in the Reformed tradition, is that great truth that God is sovereign, that his will will be done with regard to the world in which we live, and that God is in control of that.

That doesn't mean that we're not to exercise appropriate responsibilities, but one of the great things about being a

Christian is the great assurance that the Lord is in control of the world, and even when we go through pain and difficulty,

Chris, we talked about the loss of your lovely wife, Julie, one of the things that really helps us in times of difficulty is knowing that God is still in control of all of those things.

And so I think there are clearly times where, you know, people talk about the news and they talk about the world as if God is not in the throne, and the

Christian world, you have to insist that God is not only the Creator and Redeemer, but he is the

Lord of all things. So you put it just right. Amen.

And, in fact, pretty much all of the major eschatological views within Christendom, perhaps except for Amillennialism, which

I am a part of that eschatological view, and of course not all

Amillennialists agree. There are even differences amongst Amillennialists between different levels of optimism or pessimism regarding the increase of sin on this planet or the increase of godliness.

And of course you have differences between those that are partial preterists and Amillennialists in their eschatology, as I am, and others that have more of a futurist understanding of the vast majority of prophetic texts about the end times and the scriptures.

But most eschatological views would not consider the destruction of the earth as something that is right around the corner, because even, for instance, pre -tribulational dispensationalists believe that there will be a thousand year reign on this earth after the return of Christ.

Postmillennialists certainly put off the return of Christ many within, or should

I say, minimally centuries from now, or at least a century from now.

And most postmillennialists I know do not have a view that the end of the world is right around the corner.

And as I said, Amillennialists, I guess you could be more prone to have in your thinking that the physical destruction of the earth could be within our lifetime, those of us who are speaking and listening, or even very soon.

But your typical Amillennialist is not saying that the destruction of the earth is approaching rapidly within a handful of years, other than Harold Camping, who was an oddball amongst

Amillennialists, that he took that position, obviously, which turned out to be false. But we can at least all say that Christians, for the most part, agree that even if you remove the atmospheric, man -made global warming aspect of the destruction of this earth,

Christians are pretty much in agreement that the physical destruction of the earth is not very soon on our horizon.

Am I right on that? I think that that's right. I think when we think about it in broad theological categories,

God has, again, invested great things in the world that he has created.

Scientists indicate that we live in a special place, a habitable zone within not only the galaxy, but the solar system in which we live.

Earth is a special place, it has all of the narrowly drawn characteristics to allow for human beings to live and thrive.

And so, theologically, God is in control of these things.

That doesn't mean that humans can act irresponsibly. I mean, Chris, there are

Christians who talk about things like creation care. Sometimes I think that can be taken too far, but there are people that talk about responsible ecology, who look at the environment and say that, you know, this is a world that God gave us.

We're made in the image of God, and therefore we should try to be responsible for these kinds of things.

Yes, I mean, even God gave, in the Old Covenant, Sabbath rest for the animals, so,

I mean, he did obviously care about creation. I find it interesting,

I don't know if I've ever heard anyone mention this connection before in regard to the story, the analogy that Nathan the

Prophet gave to David when he was talking about some evil act where a man's pet lamb was taken from him, and this pet lamb was viewed as a child by this man, and the lamb was butchered, cooked, and eaten.

And this analogy that was used was being told to David as if this was a real occurrence, and that struck rage and vengeance in the heart and mind of David.

And then Nathan said, you're the man, he was basically talking about the murder of Uriah the

Hittite, the husband of Bathsheba, with whom David committed adultery, and whom

David impregnated, and he actually had this murder arranged to cover up the pregnancy, or cover up his responsibility in the pregnancy.

But I find it interesting that a God -inspired story was given to Nathan to instill rage in David's heart and mind that involved an animal.

And although one could obviously say that it was sinful for David to be more concerned over an animal than Uriah the

Hittite, a human being, at the same time, I think that God — and you could give me your own input on this — this demonstrated an understanding upon God's omniscient mind that humans should instinctively be concerned over God's creation, which includes the animals, and that, you know, he used that story for a reason involving an animal.

He didn't give Nathan a story about a man's daughter, or son, or a human, he used an animal.

Am I going way beyond the bounds of exegetical properness? Well, I think your point is a good one.

I mean, my parents grew up during the Depression, they grew up in West Virginia, a very rural state.

I've always made the comment to my children, Chris, that my parents looked at animals differently than I do.

I kind of anthropomorphize animals. My parents looked at animals in very practical terms.

They needed to be cared for. My parents grew up on a farm. The animal, the work that animals did, the food that they provided, was very, very critical.

And so, you know, David, as a shepherd, that's speaking his language.

He knows the importance of caring for animals, the value of animals, and I think within a broad

Christian eschatological perspective, we're made in the image of God, creation is a gift to us, we're to use it wisely.

You know, again, I think, Chris, and I'll say this candidly, because I think it's accurate,

I think when you stop believing in God, you can't stop worshipping. You have to attach yourself to something else.

And I think many people who are secular, who have given up maybe in a traditional biblical point of view, rejected the

Judeo -Christian religions, for example, environmentalism becomes the adopted religious perspective, and so they talk about environmentalism in these very broad terms, you know, in very apocalyptic, eschatological terms, so I think part of what you have described as this tendency on the part of some who are on the political left to speak apocalypticly,

I think part of that reflects their rejection of, again, a biblical point of view, and so, you know, we have to do everything we possibly can to, you know, mitigate against global warming, because that's all they have.

That's where their hope is, that's where their perspective is. I mean, when I was in college, the first time

I remember reading the book The Population Bomb, and I thought, oh my goodness, you know, there's going to be way too many people on the earth.

You know, 30 years later, I realize that, you know, those catastrophe ideas, often they don't carry a great deal of not only biblical weight, but they also sometimes are lacking in good scientific and good rational support as well.

Amen. We're going to our first break right now. Anybody who would like to join us on the air with a question of your own can submit that question to chrisarnson at gmail .com,

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Or is it? Yes, that's basically the theme today that we have with my dear friend of many years,

Kenneth R. Samples, senior research scholar at Reasons to Believe and author of a number of books, including

Christian Endgame, Careful Thinking About the End Times. Today we are taking a different spin on that subject, and we are specifically addressing the end of the world as we know it, question mark, how leftists have adopted doomsday prophet tactics to drive support through fear mongering.

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One of the things I was going to ask you, Ken, is that there have been environmental advocates propping up climate change, others talking about the impact of the

Amazon fires, still others wringing their hands about the shifting of the Earth's magnetic poles, all proclaiming the end of the world with some of the same fundamental zeal that we've been hearing from eons past.

What can we unanimously say as Christians that even though we have, some of us, very serious and perhaps polar opposite views on eschatology, at least all claiming the essential that Christians must believe, that Jesus will visibly and physically return and that the dead will be raised and those who are lost will be judged and those who are saved will be glorified.

But how can we, in a unified voice, attempt, by God's grace, to stop these folks in their tracks?

Yeah, I appreciate that really good question. I think,

Chris, that what we can do is, we can first insist that the

Christian worldview is that God is the creator of the world, that he is the

Redeemer, and that he is the Lord Almighty, and that our ultimate confidence is in him.

It's interesting, you know, as much as people have made mistakes in predicting dates, the

Bible has a lot to say about eschatology. I think there was one biblical scholar who said, he counted up the number of references to the second coming, and it's a lot.

So I think what we can say is, look, the Bible talks about, in the book of Genesis and various other places, that God is the creator, but the

Lord is also in control of the eschaton. He is in control of the end, and that our confidence is in the

Lord. I think we can also say, look, we are trying to be very responsible people.

You know, pollution can be a problem. There is a place for a reasoned and careful environmental concern.

I think Christians as well should appreciate the practice of science and technology.

It's certainly the case that some within the scientific community don't hold a biblical worldview, but many actually do.

And I think what we can say is, look, it's possible,

Chris, and I think it's in fact the case, as I mentioned before the break, that I think a lot of times when people stop believing in God, because they're made to be lovers and worshipers, they just turn their attention to something else.

And you need some kind of ultimate meaning and purpose in life, and people often go to money or power or sex, but those are often not big enough, so we go to politics.

Or if we want something even more than just the political, we'll go to the geopolitical, and that includes the environmental issues.

And a lot of times people are not willing to kind of make a reasoned, careful case for these things.

They think that the only way we can get, you know, the majority of people to move our way is by making these exaggerated, distorted claims.

And I can tell you, while I'm not a scientist, I work at Reasons to Believe, we have a scholar team of scientists,

I have one associate who holds a PhD in climatology, and so I pick his brain, and he has essentially said, look, yeah, there are warming trends, but to what degree the human carbon footprint has contributed to that, that's a controversial and debated perspective, and he thinks that the catastrophe -ism is just wildly overstated.

So you know, here is a guy, he's a Christian, he's an evangelical, he may be even listening to your program, you know, he says, look, there are concerns that people have, but I think that oftentimes the claims that are made, really,

Chris, reflect a person's worldview, their political perspective, and again,

I'm not against environmentalism, but radical environmentalism, I think, is not terribly rational, and certainly not biblical.

Yes, and the thing that is disturbing, well, one of the many things that is disturbing about this is that unanimously, these leftists, well, almost unanimously, because even the founder of Greenpeace, that leftist environmental fear -mongering organization, even the founder of that organization withdrew his membership because he knew that the fear -mongering about global warming was based on fiction, he knew that this was not scientific fact that they were basing this on.

But the fact that these politicians, they act as if, and they basically say as much, that all scientists are in agreement over this, and of course, that's a lie, because there are scientists who are adamantly opposed to this, and there's enough scientific evidence opposing this notion that, as I said, even the founder of Greenpeace disassociated himself with these folks that are environmental doomsday fear -mongers.

But it is a deceptive and deceitful and evil thing that is going on, because either they know for a fact that they are misrepresenting the truth, the scientists that are being cited, or they are just, as all finite, fallible men are, they're incorrect, just like the scientists were in the 70s, the 1970s, predicting an ice age.

But to dismiss a considerable percentage of the scientific world who adamantly opposes this fear -mongering, which they think is based totally on lies, and so on, it is something that is very evil because of the fact that much, if not most, of the things that leftists insist we do in order to reverse man -made climate change and global warming, the things that they want to legally implement are always things that hurt those that they claim to be champions to defend, that is, the impoverished.

Those folks are the ones that are hurt the most. They lose their jobs. They lose their jobs with the growing prohibitions for the lumber industry, and you could go on and on and on with the different things, even trying to outlaw oil and fracking and all these kinds of things, that there are many people who are in middle -income to poverty -level financial situations who depend upon those jobs and those industries.

So, it's amazing that the liberals have always, and the leftists

I should say, have always claimed to be champions for the underdog, the impoverished, but they are really, in many cases, destroying their lives.

Yeah, I think you make some really powerful points there,

Chris. I mean, I think some of this kind of radical environmentalism, it's really kind of a religious perspective.

Again, the idea that people are gravitating towards something if they're not going to believe in God, but I also think that they kind of underestimate science.

I mean, I know a lot of scientists, they tend to be some pretty tough -minded people.

You know, scientists debate various issues all of the time, and I think to just kind of give a blanket representation, well, this is what science says,

I think is unfortunate. But Chris, I also think that there's another kind of element in our culture and our time where people don't realize that, you know, instead of trying to present a reasoned case, instead of trying to say, look, here is my argument, here is the evidence that I have to support it,

I want to try to persuade you that this is a proper course maybe for our country or maybe for Western civilization to consider,

I think a lot of times people have adopted a view that, you know, they're going to appeal to emotion, they're going to appeal to fear, they really have an agenda, and the agenda is a political agenda.

Truth, well, that's a secondary consideration. But you've also raised another point, and that's the point about our economy.

I mean, if we were to follow some of the suggested practices to try to combat global warming that some politicians propose, it could have dire effects on our economy.

But not only that, Chris, sometimes, unfortunately, people who talk the most about global warming, they fly on private jets, their lifestyle is not consistent with the gospel of environmentalism that they preach.

And so I think a lot of these things we have to look at very carefully. We have to be very discerning about the things that we hear on television, hear on the radio, see on the web, if you will.

And, you know, again, I think that what's important for Christians to appreciate is, again, that God is in control, and that actually, the brightest scientists in the world, when it comes to climate, it's a very difficult thing.

Being able to predict the climate, being able to predict weather, proves to be a very challenging issue, and as bright and as smart as our best scientists are, there are still many things about this remarkable world that we live in that we do not know, we do not know for sure.

And so I think some humility, I think some critical thinking, and I think holding people accountable.

I mean, you know, if Cortez says that 12 years,

I think people ought to hold politicians accountable to the claims that they make, and if they're irresponsible in what they do, we should vote.

We should communicate our displeasure by voting. And we have, let's see, we have

Bobby in Hartsdale, New York, who asks, I know that you personally are not a scientist, but have many friends in the scientific arena.

Can you please provide us with some recommendations, perhaps, with some books that would offer an alternative view to the global warming alarmists?

Yes, very good. Bobby, I appreciate that.

I have a colleague here at Reasons to Believe. His name is Kevin Birdwell, B -I -R -D -W -E -L -L.

He's a climatologist. He's written articles on the RTD website.

You could go to Reasons .org and take a look at some of the things that he has offered.

I think he also recommends some scientific works in the particular field, so that would be a place you could begin,

Reasons .org, looking for some articles by Dr. Kevin Birdwell, who holds a

Ph .D. in climatology, and in my mind is very careful, cautious, and both a dedicated

Christian and a very accomplished scientist. Yeah, and I also have a recommendation.

I have interviewed a fascinating individual, Gregory Wrightstone, W -R -I -G -H -T -S -T -O -N -E.

He has written a fascinating book called Inconvenient Facts, the

Science that Al Gore Doesn't Want You to Know. You can find out more about that book at InconvenientFacts .xyz,

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and click on the Past Shows Podcast section of our website, and if you type in the name

Wrightstone, he's the only person I've ever interviewed with that name, W -R -I -G -H -T -S -T -O -N -E, his interview will come up.

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Welcome back. This is Chris Arnzen. If you just tuned into the show today, our guest is

Ken Samples, long -time friend of mine going back to the late 1980s, and today we are addressing the end of the world as we know it, how leftists have adopted doomsday prophet tactics to drive support through fear -mongering, and we are going to be returning to that discussion momentarily.

We have a few upcoming announcements that we want you to know about regarding events.

I hope you will attend events that I will be attending myself, and I hope to see you there.

Let me first give our email address for those who want to join us on the air with a question for Ken. Our email address is

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Give us your first name at least, your city and state of residence, and your country of residence if you live outside the

USA. Only remain anonymous if your question involves personal and private matter.

And now I want you to know about an event that's happening this weekend,

Friday and Saturday, an event I will be, God willing, attending myself. That is the

Doctrines of Grace Conference being held by Long Island Spurgeon Fellowship, named after Charles Haddon Spurgeon, the great 19th century

Prince of Preachers. That's being held at Hope Reform Baptist Church in Coram, Long Island, New York.

This is a conference that's going to be involving local

Long Island pastors who are committed to the doctrines of sovereign grace, who are members of the

Long Island Spurgeon Fellowship, who will each be taking a different topic. And I was so delighted to hear that my longtime friend

Jim Capo, pastor of the Massapequa Church of God, he is going to be starting off the conference on Friday night,

November 1st at 7pm with a message on the sovereignty of God. And then the themes after that for Saturday include total depravity, unconditional election, limited atonement, perseverance of the saints,

Is Calvinism Biblical?, and a Q &A roundtable that the audience can participate with in asking their own questions.

If you'd like to join me there this Friday and Saturday, November 1st and 2nd at Hope Reform Baptist Church in Coram, Long Island, New York.

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Then coming up in December, I'm going to be packing up my bags and heading down south to Atlanta, Georgia, more specifically.

Actually, no, wait a minute. There's an event before that. Sorry about that. I'm going to be packing up my bags and heading up north to New York City, my old stopping grounds, to the

Foundations Conference. This is a conference being hosted by sermonaudio .com

in Manhattan, and there's no better place on the planet Earth, in my opinion, to be spending a part of the

Christmas season than New York City. That's why I'm even more thrilled that this conference is being held

Thursday and Friday, December 19th and 20th, when there'll be a lot going on in Manhattan for the

Christmas season. And the conference is being held in a very small venue that seats less than 200 people, so they've restricted attendance to men in ministry leadership.

If that fits your description, please join me there Thursday and Friday, December 19th and 20th, and you can hear such speakers as Dr.

Stephen J. Lawson, Paul Washer, Jeff Thomas, Armin Tomasi, and Richard Colwell Jr., and Andrew Quigley.

The website to register is thefoundationsconference .com, thefoundationsconference .com.

That's Thursday and Friday, December 19th and 20th in Manhattan. And now is the information on the other conference

I was beginning to describe. That's the G3 Conference. G3 is standing for Gospel, Grace, and Glory.

The G3 Conference is held at the Georgia International Convention Center in College Park, Georgia, a suburb of Atlanta.

And it is always a magnificent conference. This will be my fourth G3 Conference, from Thursday, January 16th through Saturday, January 18th, 2020.

The theme is Worship Matters, and the speakers include a very long roster of absolutely superb, gifted, and godly men.

And they include, once again, Dr. Stephen J. Lawson. They include Josh Bice, the founder of the

G3 Conference and pastor of Praise Mill Baptist Church in Douglasville, Georgia.

We have Dr. James R. White of Alpha and Omega Ministries, a dear friend of mine since 1995.

We have Phil Johnson, the Executive Director of Grace to You, the media ministry of John MacArthur, who's been my guest on this program more than any other guest in the history of Iron Sharp and Zion Radio since we launched for the first time in 2005.

My friend Todd Friel of Wretched TV and Wretched Radio is on the roster. My friend Dr. Tom Askell, Executive Director of the

Calvinistic Ministry in the Southern Baptist Convention called Founders Ministries. Stephen J.

Nichols, who is the President of Reformation Bible College, the college founded by the late R .C. Sproul and Ligonier Ministries.

Kosti Hinn, who you've heard James White announce on this program in the ads for the

G3 Conference. Kosti Hinn, who is the nephew of notorious charlatan and heretic

Benny Hinn. And Kosti Hinn doesn't mind me saying that because he spends much of his time outside of his own pulpit making those same warnings about his own uncle.

He has repudiated and repented of his word of faith heresies and denounces his own uncle as a dangerous and damning heretic.

And so therefore, he is definitely a fascinating voice to learn from. He is now a cessationist and a

Reformed Baptist pastor in Arizona. He was in California, as James White has stated in his ad for the conference, but now he is in Arizona.

He just received a call very recently to a church in Arizona. And of course, the man who has been added most recently to the roster is

John MacArthur himself. If you want to join me Thursday through Saturday, January 16th through the 18th in College Park, Georgia, at the

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That's chrisarnson at gmail .com, chrisarnson at gmail .com, and as you have already heard, we are discussing the end of the world as we know it, how leftists have adopted doomsday prophet tactics to drive support through fear mongering.

And welcome back to the discussion, Ken. Thank you, Chris. And let's see here.

We have a listener, Bebe in Cumberland County, Pennsylvania, who asks,

How can we demonstrate to the lost that we are not cavalier about the atmospheric condition of this planet that our

Lord has given us as a gift where we are to serve as stewards and ambassadors for Christ?

At the same time that we are not being duped by the lies that have flooded the airwaves, we don't want to give those who are lost the idea that we believe these lies.

And at the same time, we don't want to give them the idea that we have no problem with pollution and other devastating things that careless people do that help make this planet a less pleasant place to live.

Yeah, I really appreciate those comments, Bebe, and your good question.

My thoughts are that I think it's very important for Christians to be able to communicate the tremendous importance of the doctrine of creation, that we are made in the image of God, whatever that means, whether we resemble

God or therefore having certain qualities, rational, moral, volitional creatures, or whether it carries more of a relational element, we can relate to each other similar to the way the members of the

Trinity relate, or whether we are representatives where we're God's vice regents.

Bebe, I think a very powerful way is to communicate how seriously

Christians take the doctrine of creation, that we are stewards, that we are ambassadors,

I like your term, and therefore recognize, you know, important points of responsibility on the part of human beings, that we do see problems with pollution, we do see environmental issues as being important, and yet I also think we need to recognize that there isn't just one political perspective.

I think we need to evaluate the worldview considerations that are coming into this context, and so I think,

Bebe, the answer to your question in my mind is communicating intelligently and thoughtfully the

Christian worldview, and showing that sometimes we have critiques on the political right, sometimes we have critiques on the political left.

Christians take their marching orders, so to speak, from the

Word of God, and I think if we are able to communicate it that way, I think it'll go a long way in conveying the idea that Christians are thoughtful, and their worldview is one worth valuing.

Well, thank you, Bebe, and also thank you for our questioner earlier, Bobby from Hartsdale, New York.

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Let's see here, we have another listener. We have

C .J. Van Linenhurst, Long Island, New York, who asks,

Is it not safer to be on the side of those that want us to clean up the planet and be cautious about polluting it and doing other things that may devastate it in order to provide a better future for our children?

I assume our listener means that even if it's wrong, but he didn't clearly state that.

But I don't agree with that mindset, because if Christians start to echo these same doomsday stories, and when they prove themselves to be false, as they will, 10 to 12 years is what we're supposed to have left to fix this predicament that we're in, according to these folks, these leftist doomsday prophets.

When that doesn't happen, everything else that we have said about the gospel, about Jesus Christ, about the

Bible, will also ring false if we join the chorus of the leftists. Just as your book,

Christian Incame, when anybody who's a Christian, even for right reasons that involve the truth that Jesus is returning, if they give false dates and so on as to the return of Christ, that can shipwreck the faith of many, as it has already done in the 19th century, even.

Weren't there great catastrophic shipwrecks of entire churches and denominations, perhaps, where scores of people left the faith because of the return of Christ not occurring?

I'm thinking of the Millerites, specifically. Yeah, yeah. Well, you make a very powerful point,

Chris, and that is Christians should never adopt anything other than because it's true.

Truth has to be right at the top of the list. If, you know, catastrophism, political catastrophism, is not based on careful facts and evidence and reason, we shouldn't believe it.

I think also adding to that, though, I don't think we have to settle for either we're concerned about ecology or we're concerned about economics.

I mean, the question that T .J. asked was, shouldn't we be cautious?

Because, you know, our children are going to live on this planet, maybe our children's children.

Shouldn't we weigh in caution on that side? Of course, a point that Chris made earlier, and I think it's a very powerful one, some of the so -called antidotes or cure for global warming and climate change involve real problems economically, and it may end up hurting a lot of people.

Do we want to change the very quality of life that we have in America to adopt these?

I think, in reality, there are win -win solutions. That is, there are thoughtful people who are proposing careful and cautious approaches to ecology, but also emphasizing the value,

I mean, economically. I mean, things like fracking and issues of that nature, how important is it that America remain energy independent, not dependent upon energy coming from Middle Eastern countries that are dominated by Islam, and therefore politically unstable at times?

So, it seems to me, T .J., that you make a valuable point.

How are we to, you know, we need to think about the future, we need to think about our children, but I think it's better to weigh careful issues of ecology with issues of economics, and I think there are people who are proposing ways that will be a win -win, rather than adopting the so -called solutions, and I think

Chris makes a very powerful point. A lot of the environmental alarmism of the past has proven false, and so, you know, give me a good argument, give me well -thought -out approach,

I'll give consideration to that, but I'm not going to take the word of radical environmentalists or politicians that I think at times are trying to influence me more emotionally than reasonably.

Thank you, C .J., and make sure you give us your full mailing address in Lindenhurst, Long Island, so that we can have

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It's titled Christian Endgame, Careful Thinking About the End Times, and keep in mind that the book is not involving the leftist doomsday prophets who are global warming alarmists.

This has nothing to do specifically, I should say, with that issue. It is more in regard to Christians who, with good intentions, and actually involving the true warning that repentance is needed today because Christ is returning, although we don't know when, the fact that Christians have used eisegesis and have spoken perhaps unconsciously, wrongly, and falsely in regard to what the scriptures teach about those very important matters.

So that's Christian Endgame, Careful Thinking About the End Times. We have Arnie in Perry County, Pennsylvania, who says something very,

I think, insightful. He says, one of the things that I see as overtly and obviously and palpably wicked about the leftists in the scenario of doomsday prophet tactics is that although they might not use the term

Savior, they are really claiming that we can be the Savior of mankind by doing something such as changing the energy that we use and reducing auto -travel and air travel and so on in order to save this planet.

And in fact, obviously, they are setting themselves up as the primary saviors because they are the ones giving us the alarm that these things need to occur.

Isn't this always a dangerous and deceptive way of declaring something that is allegedly truth?

Arnie, I think your point is a powerful one. I think it's one we ought to give careful consideration to.

There's a Latin expression, homo religiosus, that means religious man.

I think the Christian worldview, I think Scripture is quite clear that we're made in the image of God and therefore we have a religious impulse.

John Calvin identified it as the sensus divinitatis, the sense of God. We know in our heart of hearts that there is a

God. We know we're morally accountable to Him. Unfortunately, our broken, fallen, original sin has led to our desire to suppress that knowledge, but we can never really leave it.

And I think that people who are not traditionally religious, who have left the biblical point of view, they gravitate toward these big issues, politics, environmentalism.

And again, I think you've used an interesting expression. You know, people often are looking for their own salvation in context.

I've written a book about UFOs and extraterrestrials. People in that field, they often interpret

UFOs as salvation from above. So Arnie, I think that you're right.

We're religious creatures, we tend to look at ultimate issues, and so I think part of this catastrophe -ism that Chris has identified as coming strongly in the political lab,

I think that this reflects certain religious and theological elements, and I think that Christians need, again, to communicate that, look, creation is extraordinary, science is a powerful way of knowing things about the natural world, but we don't worship the creature, we worship the creator.

And I think environmentalism and catastrophe -ism often has kind of eschatological implications, so I think you've made a very important point.

Thanks a lot, Arnie, and give us your full mailing address in Perry County, Pennsylvania, so that we can have

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We have, let's see, we have

Harrison in Mechanicsburg, Pennsylvania, who says, why is it, do you think, that men are so, let's see,

I think he misspelled this word here, sorry, but well,

I think, let me reword this, why is it that you think men reveal that they are so forgetful of even the recent past when it comes to predictions of things?

They seem to never call their false prophets on the carpet when they prove to be making these predictions that never occur, and of course this not only has happened with well -meaning

Christians or false prophets within Christendom, but it has even happened in the liberal political arena, where people just don't seem to remember the wicked acts and teachings and erring statements that did not prove to be true, that are made by their heroes in any of those arenas.

Yeah, boy, you've got some really sharp listeners, Chris. They make good comments, ask good questions.

I appreciate that very much. I think when Christians, you know, forget the past.

I mean, I wrote a book, Classic Christian Thinkers, Chris interviewed me on a couple programs about that book, and I make the point in the book that, you know,

Christians who don't remember the past are like people without a memory. And I think that history is very, very critical.

I think Americans need to know their American history. I think Christians need to know their church history.

I think a lot of times we see mistakes being made today politically, in terms of science and technology, because people don't have a careful perspective on the past.

And again, I think that this needs to emphasize the need to think critically, to think very carefully, and to hold people accountable.

Unfortunately, there have been a number of evangelicals, big -name evangelicals, particularly in the latter quarter of the 20th century, who made predictions.

I went to a Christmas Eve service, 1979, and a major evangelical leader stood up in front of a large audience and said, will the

Rapture take place in the 1980s? Yes. Well, he was wrong.

Everybody who has predicted a date for the Second Coming has been wrong. Could I go out on a pretty sturdy branch and say, anybody who makes predictions like that is going to get into deep problems?

And I think, too, you need to appreciate how it affects other people. Some people are quite vulnerable.

They take these things seriously from so -called evangelical leaders. You know, you look at somebody like Harold Camping, but he's not the only one.

And skeptics look at it. The people that I'm trying to persuade to take Christianity seriously, they look at these things and they say, oh, you want me to read that Bible, the one that Camping said this would happen?

So I think using good judgment, being deliberate, being careful, expecting a lot from our

Christian leaders, but also holding our politicians accountable. If they're going to make these kinds of statements,

I think that we have to hold them accountable. And the way we hold them accountable is that the voting booth, if people say irresponsible things, they should be voted out.

Let's get people in Washington, D .C. who are thoughtful, careful, and who care deeply about the people who live in our nation and the future of our children.

And so I appreciate your comment very much. And Chris is a sharp guy, so I know he has good listeners.

And that's been demonstrated by these really good questions today. Yes. And please make sure we have your full mailing address so that CBBBS .com

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This is our final segment of our interview with Dr. Upps, sorry, about to promote you to doctor, but I think you deserve a doctorate anyway.

Our guest, Ken Samples. We are speaking about the end of the world as we know it, question mark.

How leftists have adopted doomsday prophet tactics to drive support through fear mongering. And we have

Christopher in Suffolk County, Long Island, New York. What an excellent first name he has.

And Christopher says, one thing that puzzles me about these leftists and always claiming that the scientists know what's best for humanity and the future of our planet is that they have not always relied upon the scientific consensus when it is something that contradicts what they believe, such as the unanimous view of psychiatrists and psychologists for decades that homosexuality was indeed a mental illness.

And we could go on and on with things that the left adamantly opposes that were once held by scientific consensus.

Well, you know, again, a powerful point that is made.

Sometimes people gravitate toward what they prefer, rather than, you know, undisputed scientific data.

And I think, again, what we need is lots of good discernment.

What we need are people who are thoughtful. I think Christians should be involved in politics.

It's not our blessed hope. Our hope is in the Lord, confidence in His word.

But Christians should be active and should be reflective, holding irresponsible claims, you know, to accountability.

But that's right. Sometimes people are quite selective over the data they're willing to accept, no doubt about it.

So, good point, Christopher. Yes, Christopher, and make sure we have your full mailing address because you have also won a free copy of Christian Endgame, Careful Thinking About the

End Times. And remember, this is a book that involves the end times philosophies of Christians and does not involve specifically the left -wing false alarmists who are warning us about the soon -approaching end of this planet because of global warming and other reasons that, according to them, man has brought into this universe.

I think that it'd be wise for me now to let you have approximately three minutes of uninterrupted time to basically summarize what you most want etched in the hearts and minds of our listeners today,

Ken. Well, thank you, Chris. Let me say again how much I enjoy your friendship and being on your show.

You're always very generous with me. You always give me an opportunity to come on and talk about books

I've written, and I really do appreciate that. I think we've talked about some really important ideas today.

I think we've touched upon a couple points that I would, again, underscore. I think people have a very religious nature, and I think a lot of times what we see in kind of radical environmentalism is that people are thinking religiously, even if they're not aware of it.

You know, when you stop worshipping the true and living God, you don't stop worshipping. You gravitate toward something else.

And nature is remarkable. It's easy to see how people would gravitate toward politics and environment.

I think we've also talked about the importance that, you know, we need to think carefully and critically rather than adopting one or the other.

There are people who are thoughtful scientists who also understand something about energy, who understand things about economics that are suggesting win -win circumstances.

I think those show us that we need to be very critical, very responsible.

And I think when it comes to the issue of, you know, end -of -the -world scenarios, we are people who care about not only the past, but we care about the future.

The Bible talks about the future. The Bible talks about the second coming. I've written my book,

Christian Endgame, not to tell you what to believe, but to help you navigate through these types of challenging issues.

And I think it's very important that Christians are very responsible. If people make predictions about the second coming, they should be held accountable for that.

Unfortunately, that's not the case, and skeptics kind of look at it and, you know, they convey the idea that Christianity is not credible.

So that's why I wrote Christian Endgame, and that's why I think this topic that Chris Arntzen chose to talk about today is very, very important.

Christians need to be educated, Christians need to be discerning, Christians need to be up on issues so that when we communicate the gospel to people, we can offer a very credible point of view.

And Chris, thanks again. You're not only a good friend, you're a really good host of this program with lots of good listeners.

I appreciate that. And if anybody wants to get a hold of this book, Christian Endgame, go to reasons .org, reasons .org,

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I want to thank you so much, Ken, for being an excellent guest once again today. I want to thank everybody who listened, especially those who took the time to write, and I want you all to always remember for the rest of your lives,