February 22, 2018 Show with C. Matthew McMahon on “The Lord’s Voice Cries to the City: A Biblical Guide For Hearing the Word of God Preached”

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That's tomorrow, 4 to 6 p .m., on Iron Trump and Zion Radio. But today I am delighted to have back as one of my favorite returning guests, Dr. C. Matthew McMahon, and it's always encouraging to receive the emails from a number of you in the listening audience who love Dr. C. Matthew McMahon's appearances on Iron Trump and Zion Radio.

I don't know if appearance is the correct word for a radio show, because nobody can see him other than people in his own studio there, or his own study, but he has returned today. He is the founder of A Puritan's Mind, and today, both of us are pretty certain, this is the very first time we are addressing a book that he wrote.

All of the books we have discussed previously have been written by Puritans, and he did indeed edit those books. Is that your wife that edits those with.

You? Yes, my wife, Terese, helps the other department, and she's the one that makes.

Everything sound nice. And also bringing the works of the Puritans into modern, contemporary English. That's a redundancy, modern contemporary, but an English that most folks can understand easily. But today, we are addressing his book, that means Dr. C. Matthew McMahon's book, The Lord's Voice Cries to the City, a Biblical Guide for Hearing the Word of God Preached, and it's my honor and privilege to welcome you back to Iron Trump and.

Zion Radio, Dr. C. Matthew McMahon. Well, I appreciate very much being here, excited to talk about this particular subject matter and such. You know, as much as we publish many of the Puritans and such, which now, I believe even this year in 2018, we've hit our 20-year mark, we started in 1998, but every so often, one of my books kind of slip into our editing process or come about as a result of some kind of good providence, and in this particular case, this work is a bit unique in that it's not really a book that is on homiletics or on hermeneutics for, let's say, a minister.

It's really about hearing boldly, plainly, and faithfully preached. So it's particularly aimed at the Christian who's sitting in the pew, who is required by God to hear the Word of God preached with spiritual profit.

Preaching is generally about hermeneutics or exegesis or something like that, or maybe on homiletics, not generally directed towards the pillar one, is directed at the Christian hearer. And, you know, in thinking about that, you know, the listeners, just think about it this way.

The preacher who gets up in the pulpit and demonstrates any certain qualities and skills when he's up there on that stage, to hear him in general, in that place or so, as their view is infinitely very odd thing.

And usually on this program, you, when you have been.

Speaking about preaching, you have been speaking with alarm and dismay and rebuke toward those filling pulpits globally that have sadly and tragically failed very often in their duty to preach biblically.

The Hearer’s Responsibility Under the Preached Word

But today, we are really focusing the attention on the responsibility and the accountability of those who are sitting there listening, because you very often, and I'm not even saying that I'm innocent of this, I am probably guilty of this far more than I would care to admit, but people will blame the preacher all the time, or nearly all the time, when they are not edified or when they are not moved in a positive way or in a biblical way to respond to the message.

They are very often just blaming the preacher alone. And sometimes I will hear people strongly, severely criticize, if not mock a sermon that I actually thought was an excellent sermon. So obviously, people listening are to be held accountable when the.

Word of God is preached, are we not? Absolutely. We're just finishing up Jeremiah Burroughs gospel. He has a very large section right now. Just think of anybody else in your church, and I'm using the word philem, speaking to me today, little examples of prod uses men in that way, because God has chosen evil, frank, careful, God, and then how much, you know, they have beautiful ears, might heed his mind.

Verse 9, he says in Micah 6, your case before, what have I done to you? And how have I wearied you? Testify against me. From the land of Egypt, I redeemed you from the house of bondage, and I sent before you Moses, Aaron, and Miriam.

Oh my people, remember now what Balaam, king of Moab, counseled, and what Balaam, son of Baor, answered him. From Acacia grove to Gilgal, that you may know the righteousness before the Lord, and bow myself.

Shall I come before him with burnt offerings, with calves a year old? Will the Lord be pleased with thousands of rams, ten thousand rivers of oil? Shall I give my firstborn for my transgression, the fruit of my body for the sin of my soul?

And now hear these next two verses. He has shown you, oh man, what is good. And what does the Lord require of you but to do justly, to love mercy, the Lord to hear. And he is saying, and what he's doing is he's delivering God's message.

Broken by wayward sinners, this injustice against them, going to begin at God. Listen, our attempt, the prophets, and so it's gone on for a long time. Up with you, God even actually scares the people.

Mighty acts of bondage, he delivered. Remember, people are.

Yeah, we very quickly forget things we are to remember, as even as evidence from the Israelites who were getting sick of the manna that they were given, forgetting what they had.

Just been delivered from. Right. He has to like remind them of these great things that they physically saw with their eyes, and all of that really is legal living. Well, people can, as if they could in some way, it doesn't matter.

Not Noah, or Abraham, or Olive, or God in a right manner. So it's more than just mere, keep the law and you'll be like God. And that's what God told Adam in the garden. So the law by Micah, a judgmental message, because they were without passion or part.

The people, people he cries out to, talks about being not very wise, not listening to what the prophet has already been teaching them, but the word as it is in Micah's mouth is God's word. It's not his own word, but it's not his own word only in so far as he cries out God's message.

And so this is where it relates directly to the people sitting in the pew hearing the preacher on the Lord's day. As long as that preacher is preaching God's word and God's message in the way and manner that God desires them to do that, he's the Lord's voice.

And pick up right where you left off, because we have to go to our first station break.

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The Preacher as God’s Herald, Not a Source of New Revelation

Exactly. Exactly. Whenever, whenever the preacher or the herald or the ambassador, now I'm not using the phrase, you know, intent that when he speaks, or the intent of the minister, when he speaks and he speaks truth, he speaks God's message.

It's God speaking. It's God's word. In this particular case, the people needed to be corrected. You know, Israel, you're in the midst of danger, the rod is coming against you, and here is where it hits the people who are listening.

You have to be wise, because the one who's threatening this rod, he can bring to pass what he threatens. He's God. He's the Almighty One. And yet equally, which was part of Micah's message, is the one that promises good things can also bring to pass what he promises for the good of his people.

But you can escape. You can escape if you're discerning, and you're wise, and you hear his voice, understood it in the city. But wisdom, in that verse, wisdom called for the wise people heard in the mouth of the crying.

The main meaning is the voice of the Lord, and whoever will see and hear the name of the Lord in that herald and acknowledge him to be his messenger, no matter what the word of the Lord is, there they're seeing God's voice.

They're hearing his voice. Now in this case, again, it was just the Eddie message. In fact, unless you.

Have a poignant thing to finish that thought, I do want to start taking some of our listeners, but... Yeah, no, go ahead. Let's see, we have, I think, a first-time listener, Patrick, or at least a first-time questioner, I should say, Patrick in Chandler, Arizona, in fact, he's actually on the faculty of Puritan Reformed Biblical Seminary, and Patrick said, would Reverend McMahon speak to the commonly used phrase by the layman in discussions, I am preaching this to you, I preach the fact that the Bible says, etc.

It seems many need a refresher about exactly who were the Lord's, I'm sorry, who were the intended audience of our Lord's Great Commission. If everyone is a minister, then no one is a minister. There is a difference between bearing witness to that which we hold dear and declaring ourselves to be ministers who preach without being called, examined, approved, and sent by the Church.

Yeah, assuredly, the non-greater man's capacity to lead others down the road of Islamism, the husband of one wife, and doesn't mean that he has any of being able to do that, and that these qualifications that go into that man to say, this is God's Word, and you should listen to it, and they knew, and I have this, but you have not obeyed the voice of the Lord your God, or anything which he has sent you by me.

So Jeremiah spoke, he equated it, because he's the voice of the Lord, that was the Lord's Word. He was sent by God to do that. So in dealing with that particular aspect, you have to have a qualified person in order for them to say, that says the Lord, and you need to listen to that, by Hebrews, to encourage one another, while it is still called today, and we want to do that, but it's the job of the minister specifically commissioned that the Christian is to hear.

God's people should hear the crying voice of the preaching and teaching of all true ministers. Yes, and thank you Patrick in Chandler,.

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We have Brandon in Franklinton, North Carolina, who says, I have a simple question for Dr. McMahon. Please name the one Puritan author who I have most likely never heard of or read anything by, that I most need to equate myself with.

There's a little bit of mind reading going on in that one, but can you think of one that would probably be best answered as a general answer that most of us might not know the name.

Or the the writings of a certain Puritan? I'll go with one of my favorites. Okay. He was a Westminster Divine. I'm going to give you two. He died in 1656. His name was Francis Witten, and the sad part about Mr. Witten was that we only have one work by him, and we have published it, which was one of the most fabulous books for me.

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Sola Scriptura, Cessation, and the Closed Canon

We have Joe in Slovenia. Dear brother Chris, I'm very interested to hear Brother McMahon's thoughts on the role of the sufficiency of scripture in guiding the preacher's approach to preaching. Brother McMahon, in your estimation, what effect does the continual, the continual, I think he means the continuationist position, meaning the person who is charismatic or Pentecostal or non-cessationist, what effect does the continuationist position regarding the notion that God is still speaking to individuals through direct revelation today have on preaching?

Please address this question from the viewpoint of both the preacher and those hearing him. Yes, obviously when you titled this book The Lord's Voice, Cries to the City, you were not talking about new revelation.

No, yeah, no, we're not talking.

About new revelation at all. You know, the canon is closed. The problem that the charismania has is there's no safety being the non-biblical. If new revelation is actually coming in, it should be written down, and they should continually put it in their Bibles, or somebody who really believes that, tell you, well, it can't contradict the Word.

At that particular point, you've already just kind of exploded that whole idea. You know, God has already spoken, and He has already, and that's actually something that I deal with in this very chapter, but with Micah, because the requirement for the preacher to hold steadfastly to what God's message is, not something that he makes up on his own.

So, I mean, even the charismatic preacher, unless he's way out, he's still going to say to you, well, you know, I might be led or might be challenged by the Spirit in some way to add into my message this, that, and the other that I feel is coming directly to him, but it can't contradict what God's Word...

I mean, if that's the case, then you don't need it, because you already have God's Word. It's really almost a defeatist argument overall, and in terms of then, once that person gets up and he starts doing that, and I've seen that for years.

I saw it firsthand many times. They would just get up with no preparation at all, and as much as it pains me to even say it, they would act like buffoons in the way that they dealt with trying to say something quote-unquote on behalf of God, because they were waiting, literally, for the Spirit to tell them something of the minister that...

Yeah, in fact, what you said of waiting for a message from God.

Sounds a lot like Quakerism to me. Very much so, yeah. And we have to go to our midway break right now. This is the longer break that we take between our two hours that Grace Life Radio 90 .1 FM in Lake City, Florida requires of us.

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Pastor Bill is a very dear friend whom I have known since the 1980s, and a really brilliant brother in Christ who is very, very biblically knowledgeable, a member of the Orthodox Presbyterian denomination, and just a really gifted communicator.

And I love him more than I can describe. He's a dear brother in Christ who has been with me through thick and thin in this life, and I urge you to listen to him either on the AM dial on your radio, 540 AM, if you live in the New York Tri-State area, and even parts of Pennsylvania, Rhode Island, and Massachusetts, but you can hear him globally at wlie540am .com via live streaming.

That's A Visit to the Pastor's Study every Saturday, 12 noon to 1 pm Eastern Time. And now I just have a couple of announcements before we return to our guest, Dr. C. Matthew McMahon, and our discussion on his book, The Lord's Voice Cries to the City, a biblical guide for hearing the Word of God preached.

Coming up, special events here conducted by supporters of Iron Sharpens Iron Radio. We have the Spirit of the Age and the Age of the Spirit, which is the theme of the Philadelphia Conference on Reform Theology, which will be held in two places.

It will be held April 13th through the 15th at the First Christian Reform Church of Byron Center, Michigan, and it will also be held April 17th through the 28th at Proclamation Presbyterian Church in Bryn Mawr, Pennsylvania.