The Woke Brotha with Jamal Bandy

There's no sense in having a conversation with someone who just can't even recognize the statement that babies exist.

Give me a break. We're never going to get anywhere. He's not having a normal conversation.

We're just going to move on to something else. It's ridiculous. He's not interested in a conversation. No, he's just interested in arguing.

I am interested in a conversation. I just know. I just trapped him. Find out. I already decided.

As soon as I said, you know, how's he going to answer this one? Babies exist. If he gives me a hard time, we're just moving on.

You know? All right. John, you had something you wanted to say? I was going to say, he doesn't want to have a conversation.

You asked him a very simple question. Do babies exist? And he has to dodge that?

Seriously. Well, I mean, if you want to be very strict. No, it's a simple question. It's truth plus true.

It's truth plus true. It's simple. It's simple. Freaking question.

Come on. John's a little.

I'm just going to lose. I'm just, I'm tired of this. I'm tired of these games. I'll be honest.

There's no such thing as babies. I kid you not, man.

You guys will do anything you can to deny God. You will do anything. You will do anything.

So tell us what you really think, John, he's saying that I'm telling you, man,

I just, all right. So there's no babies.

This is Apologetics Live. To answer your questions, your host from Striving for Eternity Ministries, Andrew Rapoport.

All right. We are live Apologetics Live. I'm your host, Andrew Rapoport. I love that clip.

It doesn't matter. I could be in the worst mood. I'd listen to that clip and it's just great.

Our guest apologist, Jamal Bandy, requested that we, I gave him the choice. The guys that are in the backstage,

I said, should we play that clip? He gave a head nod since he's the guest where we played it for, you know, his honor.

So John is in here in the backstage. So he's just shaking his head as we're listening to that.

But that is a real clip from a previous Apologetics Live. You never know what you might hear. So we're just saying that is epic.

It was, yeah, that was an epic, you know, an epic episode.

So welcome to Apologetics Live. This is something we do every Thursday night to answer your questions, challenges, anything you may have for us tonight.

We're going to talk about, well, pretty heated topics some days, but it's it is the issue of being woke.

But before we get there, I look, I just got to play this. Let me let me just share this with you.

Oh, I got to be in a different browser. So we'll just move that over and we will play soon.

I know as soon as I'm going to trigger people, as soon as I share this, I realize that. But all right, well, you're ready to be triggered.

Oh, John left. He must be triggered already. Here we go. Look at that. That is one of the scariest faces,

I'm just telling you. We want to listen to what she had to say. I think this is today.

I could be wrong, but she she had some how do we say this?

Can we say words of wisdom for those of us who would like to get out of our house and maybe go to work?

Well, let's hear the brilliance of AOC. There's a lot that we could be doing right now, but ultimately.

The I think when we talk about this idea of reopening society, we'd like to work only in America, does the president when the president tweets about liberation, does he mean go back to work when we.

OK, just stop everywhere in the world, people like to work.

And when you're restricted from going to work, then, yes, that's exactly what liberation means.

Removing restrictions, we're being restricted. We can't work. AOC doesn't understand the

English language, maybe, but she has even better brilliance for us. You ready for this?

I'm watching Jamal's face in the background. It's hilarious. It's going to be fun to see his reaction to this when he comes in, you know, have this discussion about going going back or reopening.

I think a lot of people should just say, no, we're not going back to that. We're not going back to working 70 hour weeks just so that we could put food on the table and not even feel any sort of semblance of security in our lives.

Well, there you go. That's what we should do. No, Samuel. AOC for you, ladies and gentlemen, wonderful brilliance of AOC.

So she thinks we should we should stop going to work to put food on our table. How exactly is the food going to get on your table?

Now, I got news for you. I'm willing to guess that if she was still working her previous job, she wouldn't be making any money and she'd be wanting to go to work to put food on her table because I don't know too many bartenders that get paid to sit at home.

Yes, that is her brilliance of a career that got her to be an expert on all things economics.

Yeah. So AOC says we should just stop going to work. How's the food going to get on the table then,

AOC? Not all of us got elected by some, I guess, pretty dumb representatives or people that voted for you because they voted you in.

And so she got elected and now she's got a paycheck for life.

She never has to work. She's always going to get a paycheck and health care for life. But she wants to tell you as you sit at home, you should just stay sitting there because somehow food is going to magically just come and land right in front of you so that you can eat.

That's not the way the world works. That's just not. So what we're going to do tonight,

I want to do some things. And if anyone wants to come in, just go to apologeticslive .com

and you could join us in the room and ask any questions that we have that you have.

Give us any challenges that you that you may have. But before we bring in our guest apologist,

I think the thing we should do here is just, let's see if we share screen again, because this is what we're going to talk about.

And I was thinking we just play at least a couple of these outstanding videos.

We'll start with his latest one. A woke brother exposes racist virus.

Oh, I know it's been a while, but I'm back with some more information coming to you straight from a woke brother.

See, now this pandemic has happened. This racist pandemic called

COVID -19, a strain of the coronavirus has come and it's plaguing our communities, especially our black and brown communities.

You don't believe me. Look at this tweet here from my sister, my sister, Alexandra Cortez.

She is letting you know what the truth is because y 'all acting like y 'all sleep. Y 'all act like y 'all know what's going on.

Y 'all don't want to see, but I see. I know. Matter of fact, let me, let me get something.

Cause y 'all, y 'all ain't practicing social distancing. Y 'all trying to kill us. So let me put me, see y 'all, y 'all trying to make us sick with this here.

COVID -19 thinking y 'all fooling somebody. You ain't fooling me and you ain't fooling

Alexandra and those like us. Look at this. Deaths are disproportionately spiking in black and brown communities.

Why? Because the chronic toll of red lining, environmental racism, wealth gap, et cetera.

Your money, the fact that you got money is causing us to die from coronavirus.

That's because y 'all got the money in environmental racism. See, even the environment can be racist. Y 'all putting us in these neighborhoods and stuff.

And you know, it's because we have certain neighborhoods that we're susceptible to more spread of this virus.

It's because of y 'all, y 'all white folks. Y 'all hate us and y 'all don't want nobody to know.

But we know, we know that we're going to expose you. This virus is exposing it.

It is exposing it. Like my sister said, inequality is a comorbidity.

I don't know what that word means, but it sounds like it's saying that y 'all racist. COVID relief should be drafted with a lens of reparations.

We still waiting. We still waiting. And then Trump said he's going to give us a stimulus package.

Hey, I'll take it. But it ain't the reparations we want. We want more. It needs to be more because y 'all are disproportionately killing us off.

I can't hardly breathe behind this thing. I'm about to pass out. But it's because of y 'all racism. Y 'all making me have to wear this mask.

Well, this shirt, I put on a mask. Because see, ain't no more masks at the store. Y 'all even took all the masks.

See, y 'all made sure y 'all brought all the masks up so the black folk couldn't get them. And that's okay. That's okay because we're going to survive.

We're going to make it like our people before us did. See, y 'all thinking, y 'all, y 'all thinking, y 'all.

This has been another message from a woke brother. Oh, Jamal, all right, so we got to, oh,

I got to stop that. So, okay, we got to tell the story.

There's someone that's, there's someone, James Ali is, where did you find this guy?

James has got to go to Prescribe Truth on YouTube. Look up the woke brother episodes.

It's a whole playlist. There's seven of them now. Well, actually six. One is you just responding to me playing it.

But I figured that's a good way to explain what wokeness is. I don't know who this

Prescribe Truth guy is, but he be finding my videos and getting me to come on his show to tell y 'all what the truth is.

Y 'all just trying to make fun of my sister. Hey, Cortez, but I'm going to tell y 'all something.

That food going to come to our doorstep because of the white people going to bring us the food. It's going to serve us, the black and brown communities, because that is what it's about.

And don't worry about the money that she's making. She can make her money because that's a part of her,

I guess that would be brownness. Yeah, because she's, yeah, her brownness. That's the new blackness.

But she's not that brown. She's brown enough. Oh, this is going to be so hard to keep a straight face tonight.

So you had done these, a series of them. The first one you did was a message to a woke brother.

And you had some reaction to that. This was when I first got to hear of your podcast.

And I think the very first episode was before you did the second one. And you were telling about how some people didn't know you were doing a parody.

And they took you serious. And people were upset with you for misrepresenting wokeness.

Just tell about that first. Oh, yeah. So I caught heat from both sides.

Those who know me were saying that I was over exaggerating. And saying

I'm mischaracterizing the woke agenda and woke idea. But then those who didn't know me,

I thought I was racist. I had a guy literally come on my YouTube channel and like curse me.

He's like, you need to get up and do it and work. Do your own work. And I was like, oh, calm down, man.

Watch the rest. And you and I even had a guy, one of the guys that's a fellow podcaster on the

Christian podcast community, his web developer went and was developing the website and saw

Christian podcast community and wants to go check out to see who's associated with it and found your

YouTube channel and clicked on one of those episodes. And he calls up. He's like, you can't be hanging with these guys.

This is totally believe in it.

You know that that tripped me out so bad. I think I happened to come. Yeah. Yeah. I happened to come on and he was talking about that.

And I was like, wow. Or a lot of bringing it up. And I was like, wow, that is so funny because it was

I mean, it's so I try to be just a little bit overly to the point where, you know, you should know it's a parody.

But because the idea is so there, it seems like I'm for real.

It actually is believed when you when you listen to something, you listen to AOC. It could be believable because I mean, she actually

I bet if we sent those videos to AOC, she'd probably retweet it and think it's real.

We should try that as an experiment. OK, so there may be folks that don't know what it means to be woke.

So let us let's start there. And again, folks, if anyone wants to come in, whether you want to whether you want to ask questions about being woke and social justice or if you want to talk about anything else, just go to Apologize Live dot com and just join us and ask ask away.

But Jamal, what? Well, first off, you should introduce yourself. I should have started with that. Introduce yourself, your podcast and and then, you know, explain what wokeness is.

So what's going on, everybody? I'm Jamal Bandy, host of Prescribed Truth podcast, also host a

YouTube channel called Prescribed Truth. Basically, what I seek to do is just distribute the truth to this culture, you know, from the from a biblical worldview, biblical and reform worldview.

And yeah, so that's why I'm at YouTube. I start off YouTube and I came into podcasts, actually made it one year in podcasting so far.

So I'm really thankful for that. Yeah, so woke is being alert.

If you have somebody give you a definition of what it is to be woke, being alert to injustice just on a simple scale, being alert so that you're aware.

All right, because you think about when you're awake, you're aware and when you're asleep, you're not. So those of us who are asleep because we're not aware of the injustices that are happening.

But those who are awake, they are aware of the injustices, but specifically against black and brown people.

All right. So not just injustice, not injustice in general, but injustice against black and brown people.

And so, yeah, so now we're not talking about in the past. But today, you know, but as in today.

And so there's a lot of debate. And this is why a lot of us are accused of being sleep, because a lot of us would disagree that there are certain injustices that we would all we would agree that there are injustices that do exist.

But in the degree of which a lot of those in that area would call injustice, we would disagree.

And so, yeah, I did a few videos critiquing Eric Mason. He came out with a book called Woke Church.

And a few people did a critique of that book. A .D. Robles is one, Edward Ramirez from the Proverbial Life.

He did one just just critiquing the book. And I did a couple of videos on it as well and also did a review of his interview on I can't think of the name of the podcast now.

He did an interview basically discussing his book and talking about what woke is and displaying some of the injustice that we're given.

And it was just injustices as in like what the culture is doing to us.

And so one of the injustices he gave, and I'll just give an example and I'll let it go for now, is fatherlessness, fatherlessness in our homes and in black and black and brown communities is an injustice.

But it's it's it's an injustice not on the father who left or whatever case may be, but it's on the it's an injustice of the states and on the government, white people.

That's one, you know, so just to name one there, one that I actually had had to respond to was when he talked about is an injustice when someone goes in to get a loan and they can't get it.

So if a black man goes to get a loan and he can't get a loan, then that's an injustice because a white man can go in there and get a loan.

And it's like there's so many holes in that, you know, you could take a Mack truck through. But but anyway.

So what we end up seeing right off the bat, it starts actually with its conclusion, right?

I mean, wokeness is begging the question because it is you assume the thing you want to prove.

You assume that there is racism and every white is racist and you assume that every black is going to be treated with injustice.

I mean, there's plenty of of whites that don't get loans, but yeah, there are.

Yeah, I know some. Yeah. So the reality, though, is that it's it's not because of color of skin that people aren't getting loans typically.

It's and actually here's an interesting thing that happened under Bill Clinton. They how the woke this, you know, can affect things.

The argument was, as you just mentioned the example. It was said that it was discriminatory to not give loans to African -Americans that if they didn't get loans, somehow that was some injustice.

And therefore, the banks were forced by the government to give loans to people, regardless of color, that couldn't pay them back because somehow if they couldn't get a loan, it was discriminatory.

And so the banks being forced by the government to do loans had to start playing games with how are they going to make this work?

Because many of those loans, people weren't paying back. They were defaulting on it and the banks were losing money on it.

And so the government had an answer. They created they had their Fannie Mae, Fannie Mac.

Maybe people are familiar with that. And then back in just before Barack Obama became president, you know, toward the end of George Bush's term, we had the crash of this whole scheme that the mortgage companies were running.

But who forced them to run them? It was really the ideology of wokeness, of the idea that somehow people are discriminatory.

Bill Clinton actually had a number of things. They argued it was discriminatory for people in there was a classified lab where they had technology or like our nuclear technology.

And there was a Chinese spy who got into get basically got into areas he wasn't allowed to get to.

And the reason being is Bill Clinton found out that when you go into a classified lab where people are read into different departments, you had to have badges that are color coded so that people knew whether you belong in that room or not.

And that was somehow discriminatory. And they removed that. And here this

Chinese national was able he he was able to get a job in in for in the first place.

But he shouldn't have been in the rooms he was in. But because they had no way of identifying he wasn't supposed to be there, he was able to steal some of our technology and bring it back to China.

That's how wokeness works. You know, so this is there are people that take this very serious.

And I know I mean, I I have someone who's related to someone in my church that is very much a social justice warrior.

And so and maybe I'll have him on sometime and we're going to we'll have a very entertaining discussion.

But there's people that take this very serious. You get attacked if you in your position of not taking it serious.

Why do you think that is? Well, one, it should be common sense because I'm black. So it should become a sense that I take it seriously.

I should. And if I'm not taking it seriously, because obviously, I don't care about black people. I don't care about my own people.

You know, I'm sold out, you know, so to speak. And that's unfortunate, you know, as if it's so much in that, man, like we have to assume like you said this earlier, having to assume that everybody is being racist, that every situation is because of racism is that's that's exhausting.

This is also but also is the fact that it's not built on any truth. It's assumptions, you know, and black people.

It's interesting because we don't like to be assumed upon. Like if I if I go out, I don't want nobody assumed

I'm all make it though, because I have dreadlocks. I don't want nobody to assume that I'm automatically if I'm looking some kind of way.

I don't want nobody to think that, you know, I'm I'm I'm hood or, you know, I assume you're a thug because you are.

What's wrong with that? Well, you got to get it. You can't tell everybody that you talk about this before we start the show.

Don't beat me up, bro. But it's like we don't like that. We don't like that ourselves.

But yet it's OK to assume this about another person, the other human being, you know, because they say, well, you know, we've been treated this way all our lives and all this time.

And I haven't been treated that way. I'm well familiar with with history. I understand what happened back then.

But it is why I think the beauty comes in and knowing what the truth is concerning the gospel, who

God is like all of this comes back to it. Our presuppositions come back to it. It's like if you know what the

Bible says about men's hearts, then it's understandable what happened back then. It's like,

OK, this was a time where people were being this way. And there may be somebody today who is racist and everything else.

But then where there is racism, where there is sin, we deal with it. But I can't just assume somebody's racist because you can't see racism is experienced.

You know, so I can't look at another person and say that they're racist just because of the color of their skin. You know, just like somebody can't just say

I'm a thug just because I'm black. OK, but one thing that you brought out in some of these videos, right, is the fact that well, there's a couple of things.

One is the fact that people are preconditioned to assume everyone's racist and they're looking for it.

And because they're looking for it, I mean, you use the example earlier in the show of someone getting a loan and someone not getting a loan.

Well, you didn't get the loan only because of this one factor. There could be a lot of factors. I mean, I've seen this recently with the president, the presidential briefings.

You had a reporter who there was the surgeon general who happens to be African -American.

And he's talking, trying to say, hey, go talk, call your parent, call your family. Right. He used terms of endearment that he uses within his own family.

And he called he referred to his grandmother as Big Mama. So later on, they asked two questions.

They asked the question of Trump. And this it was an African -American reporter. And she asked

Trump about why, knowing that the African -American community is suffering from the coronavirus more than any other.

And, you know, they just got done going through all the facts that they're having that because of the fact that they had people who were basically because of preexisting conditions, overweight, diabetes, high blood pressure are the three top ones that I think it's like 94 percent of the people that have a coronavirus where they have the side effects.

They have they have preexisting conditions. And it's usually one of those three. OK, overweight's number one, diabetes, number two, high blood pressure is number three.

All right. So 94 percent. And so she was asking the question, why are you not doing enough for the

African -American community? I would like I want to like jump through the screen and be like, what are you expecting to build a time machine?

Go back in time to be able to start eating healthy. I mean, Michelle Obama tried that and she's African -American and it didn't work.

Like, how'd that go? Right. I mean, so the assumption was like, you know, the knowledge is there is a behavior that caused people to end up having issues.

Now, not everyone has because there's some things that are genetic. But the very next question she asks was to the surgeon general.

I mean, like within seconds. And she's saying that him referring to Big Mama was racist.

And he's like, that's what I call my grandmother. You know, it was it's like but but then she was saying, how how could he blame people's behavior?

For them getting the coronavirus, and he was just like, because a lot of it is a lot of it is behavior issues.

And so the next day he was a racist and he's African -American.

How quickly do these people will they turn on someone that doesn't toe the party line?

Oh, just like that. Just like that. So there's two things you mentioned that I want to talk about.

The first thing was the assumption of everyone is being racist or it's assumed upon them.

And that's one thing that got me really upset and which actually started me doing the woke brother videos because I was just frustrated.

You have some you have people like it came in at one who goes on to the sparrows conference. And she's talking, she has this congregation of women, you know, mixed crowd.

And she's telling these women, these white women in the crowd, that they need to admit that they are racist, that they that they have this, this white fragility, they need to admit it.

They need to admit it and then embrace blackness. They need to renounce their whiteness and embrace blackness, you know.

And so but then women who started walking out, people started like women started leaving and she accredited to being them being racist, you know, because they didn't want to hear no more of that foolishness.

You know, that made me upset because like, wow. So because a person in their mind, they self -examine their heart and they're saying,

OK, I know, I know I love my my African -American sister. I love all my sisters.

I got to admit to you that I'm somehow racist and I'm wrong if I don't. Yeah, I'm going to leave too.

You know, but, you know, that was crazy for her to say. And she mentioned how there was there was pregnant

African -American women in the room who were in danger of losing their children because of the stress of being in that space.

You know, and I was like, wow. OK, wow. You know, so that was one of the things that I said, just having to make people assume this upon themselves, not whether or not it is true, but to make them admit to something that's not true and then tell them to repent of it.

So now we tell them we tell them to repent of a sin that they haven't even committed, bearing false witness.

You know, and that's wild. And then now with the coronavirus was very interesting because in the beginning when it started, you got black people saying, oh, this is

God's judgment on white people because it ain't affecting black people. You know, it ain't affecting us. We're special.

But then black people started getting affected. And it was like, oh, it's a racist virus. They're coming.

They try to knock us out of here. And like the government, the government created a virus to get us out of here.

Well, you know, this is this is what I saw. I saw this in with Katrina, where they tried to blame

George W. Bush for because of his hatred for blacks. They said that's why he the the levees broke.

They you know, some were even saying that that Bush came in with dynamite and blew up the levees to wipe out the

African -Americans. And, you know, and then you sit and you look at the facts and go, wait a minute. Bush contacted both the mayor of New Orleans and the governor.

And tried to say, look, this is bad. It's a category five, you know, declared emergency.

So we can bring in. You know, to bring in the, you know,

FEMA. And so someone's saying your voice is low.

I don't know if you can up your ear, but I can may boost a little bit when you're talking.

If your boost don't work, I'll try to turn up on my ear. So, yeah, I got you boost as much as I can.

All right. Donald Jacks just says you have a manly voice. That's all I'm talking about.

Thank you. No, I've been looking forward to this for the laughs alone.

So what ended up happening was, you know, Bush came in. He activated there.

It FEMA has 48 hours from the declaration of an emergency until until they get on scene.

Bush actually activated them, but he can only activate them to the point of sending.

So they were activated 24 hours before, but they couldn't do anything until a state of emergency.

That's the way our country works. No, liberals don't understand this, but states have rights.

I mean, we're seeing that Trump is not trumping that he's he's working with it. You like that.

Yeah. But, you know, he's working letting the governors do even when he disagrees with what the governors are doing.

They have the right to do it. And that's the way this country works. And so he couldn't

Bush couldn't come in and they actually had buses that were sitting there.

They could have bust everyone out. They didn't the mayor didn't want to do it. And then when it got bad, who they blame.

Oh, after the fact, oh, it's Bush's fault. You see the same thing here. They're already changing this.

To to be something that they're saying that they're saying that that Trump is doing this because he hates blacks.

He's trying to wipe out the blacks. He's trying to he stopped immigration. He's trying to and he's always been against immigration.

And it's like he's always been against legal immigration, not legal immigration. And so this is this is how

I think this stuff becomes it really is becoming, unfortunately, a fabric of some of our society, because there are people who are constantly looking through this lens that everything is them being victimized.

So how much of this whole woke movement deals with the issue of victimization and being seen as a victim?

The whole thing is interesting. Eric Mason pointed out in his book,

I quote, I'm a paraphrase this, but it's from W .E .B. Du Bois saying that every black person battles with two natures.

And this is in this in these two natures. One is how to basically the fact that I am black and what that means, also how people see me as being black.

How that affects how people look at me and everything else, because I am black and therefore black people deal with this.

And this is actually part of being woke like this, like you can't be woke without having this realization.

So this the part of someone how people look at me is the victim part, you know, how

I'm treated, how I'm handled and everything else is a victim. So if I'm mistreated, then it has to be because, you know, you don't like my skin, you don't like the fact of, you know, my hair, you know, and everything else about me that makes me who

I am. You don't like that. And that's why you treat me the way you do. That's why I may not can get the job.

You know, my mom is my mom is black. Therefore, she named me Jamal or she named me or she may name a sister,

Shaniqua. And because her name is Shaniqua, she can't get the job at such a such place, you know, because she didn't name her

Amber or Becky or whatever, you know, so all of that. So you have to recognize that.

So everything comes as being a victim. Now, if I do get the job, that means you must have recognized the fact that, you know, you need to downplay your whiteness and, you know, embrace this blackness.

So there we have it. And that ends up leading into this whole idea that there is a white privilege.

I think everyone's has heard this. The idea that somehow just being white gives you privilege.

It's kind of interesting. My kids, when they went to college, they, you know, they applied for financial aid.

And so you mark off, you know, you have all this, you know, these different minority groups that you can mark off.

You know, are you African -American? Are you American, Indian? You know, are you this, that?

And I didn't see one. I didn't see one for Jewish, by the way. I just noticed that, you know, but they didn't have one for Asian.

And so I wrote in, I chose other, and I wrote in Asian -American because my wife is from Hong Kong, they're

Asian. Actually, it got rejected because Asians are not a minority.

And I went, how are they not a minority? Like they're not a large number of the

United States population. And this was the answer I got back. That's not how you define minority.

Minority is defined by having privilege or being able to have privileges and not having a good enough education.

Asians have a good enough education that they don't need the scholarships.

And I was like, what? Like, so right there, it is a

Black privilege. Yeah, we got Black privilege, but at the same time, it's so, like, that's disheartening.

I mean, for those who embrace the woke idea, like this has to, like, offend you in some kind of way that people think that less of you growing up.

Like your school, so you learned nothing in school, therefore you're always forever held back. You didn't learn the same arithmetic.

You didn't learn how to speak. You didn't learn how to read like the white person did.

You know what I'm saying? The white kid got the better education, you know what I'm saying, than you did.

So they learn how to read better than you. So they can say outomatopoeia and you can't. You know, they probably can't spell it.

Wait, wait, wait, wait. I can't say that. You can't say? I can't spell it. Outomatopoeia, forget it.

So anyway. It's because of the school

I went to. Yeah, well, look, let's be realistic. There is certain advantages that certain people have.

You know, if you have someone that has a lot of money, they can afford a better education for their children. They can put them in a private school because they have that money.

So there is going to be that advantage. But that advantage does not mean that somehow all people that are a certain skin color have that advantage.

I think Barack Obama had a pretty good education. So did

Michelle Obama, you know? People put things in place for their families.

So like you work hard. I mean, it's what it should show that if you work hard, then you can reap the fruit of that labor.

Or your kids will, your grandkids will. And you've seen it a lot. You know, a lot of people say like people were born with like a silver spoon and stuff like that.

And that may be. But how did they get that silver spoon? How did it happen? You know, somebody worked hard. Somebody had something.

You know, nothing was just anything about our country. Nothing was really given to people. You know, they had to work for it.

You know, everyone had to work for it. You know, now we get into talking about Jim Crow and everything else in the past and people's racism and all that stuff.

That's a whole nother story. We can talk about all of that. People being held back, literally told they can't read. They should not read.

And if a white person was caught trying to teach a black person how to read, then they were flawed.

You know, and so we have that in place. You know, but today people can work hard.

You can work hard and then leave behind something. You know, but see, you know, I could be a lot of the, you know, a lot of black people, you know, not black people, just everybody.

We're all selfish. You know what I'm saying? Like we want for ourselves. You know, we want to be able to build up my own stuff and not really think about leaving something aside.

You know, got to spend it now. We all battle with those kinds of sins, you know, but people, there are those who haven't done that.

They, they store up, they're wise. You know, they store up like they're supposed to. They have a goal in mind and their children benefit from it.

Their grandchildren can benefit from it. You know, and so it's not that fact that it was just privilege, you know, people, somebody before them worked hard and made sure they set aside for them.

And there's nothing wrong with that. That's something the state can't fix that, you know, unless they take from them and to give to the, you know, take from the rich and give to the poor like a

Robin Hood. Well, actually, no, that's a misunderstanding of Robin Hood.

There's actually two views of Robin Hood. And depending on which view you have, actually, it gets interesting because depending on which view it really does reveal a lot.

Robin Hood technically stole from the government who was stealing from people. So the government was taking from poor people.

And what Robin Hood was actually doing was stealing from the government who is robbing the poor people and giving it back to the poor.

So it's actually quite interesting. I always found it funny. You could look at a Robin Hood and you see how people change the story to fit a narrative that they want into saying that he stole from the rich.

No, he didn't just steal from the rich. He stole from the government when they were overtaxing people to where the people had no food.

And so he was stealing from the government to give it back to the people who were working for that money.

For some reason, governments don't like to have that view of it. But, you know, the thing is, is that.

Yeah, I mean, I think that we end up seeing this is nothing new. You know, I mentioned to you before we went on air.

There's a man, Jacob Coxney. He was born in 1854 in Ohio, and he was really the first of the social justice warriors.

He was a very wealthy man. He worked hard, had a very successful business, but he saw a disparity between the money he had and what he could do.

And there were people who didn't have the education, couldn't get good jobs. They didn't have as much.

In 1894, he started the first ever protest in Washington, D .C.

And he protested, and it really was the first social justice movement and the first protest.

And he was pushing to say somehow it's unfair that someone like him could have money and someone else doesn't.

But the problem is, is there's, you know, this idea of trying to fix, you know, to fix things in the past.

You know, like we get, you know, the woke movement would say that someone like me must have an intrinsic racism because I'm white, right?

And I'm guilty of slavery. And yet I've never owned slaves.

My family never owned slaves. We come from Russia and Romania. In fact, our families were slaves in Nazi Germany in 1940s.

I mean, African -Americans were slaves much longer. There's no one living today that was a slave from the

African slave trade. I mean, no one. And instead of, you know, I've asked this of some folks like, okay, you say that all whites owe you for the slave slavery.

Would you want to return to Africa right now, pick up, leave, and go back to your homeland?

And it's amazing because I've never had a single African -American tell me they want to do that. Okay, then you should be, you should be glad you have privilege.

Your ancestors, what they went through is horrible, but you got the privilege of it in living here.

Some of them Africans wouldn't accept them back. Yeah, you know, I think there's some

Africans that would say they'll trade places with they would much rather come here and say, you go back, you don't appreciate what you have there in America.

You know, there's actually now more African -Americans that are from Africa than were born here in America.

There's been enough people that have come in. There's more that are here from migrating from Africa than were born through the slave trade when you look at the ancestry.

Yeah, that just happened this year. And it tells you that there's a lot of people that want to be here.

Now, some of them have to give up a lot. I mean, my wife's family gave up a lot to be able to be in America.

My father -in -law had a very good business. He was in the newspaper business and he had made good money there.

His father was actually before Mao came in, was a, you know, they just called him a tribesman, but he was like, you know, kind of like a governor of type.

I mean, he's a very wealthy. He actually had to flee when Mao came into, you know, had come into power.

And, you know, but anyway, the thing that happened, my father -in -law gave up his career.

He and my brother -in -law came to America, worked for a year, leaving his family behind and struggled to make ends meet so that they could get enough money to bring the rest of the family, my wife, her sisters and my mother -in -law over.

And when they came over, they didn't have anything. They all worked.

I mean, you know, when they were old enough to work, they worked in a factory and they worked and they struggled.

But now, a generation later, they can reap some of the rewards of their parents' suffering.

The parents didn't have it easy and their parents never really had a lot, but they sacrificed for their children.

Now, in the case with the African slave trade, they didn't have a choice in that, right?

We recognize that. But there is a benefit that comes to the generations afterwards.

I had a guy that I interviewed on my podcast a long, long time ago, and he had said, you know, he's

African -American. And he said, you know, he's grateful that he is able to be born in America.

He knows his ancestors didn't have it easy. But because of their suffering, he is able to receive the benefits of that.

And I don't think there's enough people that have the perspective of saying, let me compare myself to other people around the world and say, do

I have it pretty good? Instead of saying, well, I think I deserve more and I deserve what others have.

That really is a heartbeat of being woke, is that somehow, if someone doesn't have what someone else has, it's somehow unfair.

It's injustice. Yeah. Can you explain that a bit, some of the mindset of that, of this injustice attitude that people have?

It's just that it has to be what we talked about earlier. And it seems to me when it comes to this conversation with dealing with wokeness, it's a big circle.

You find yourself going back around and around again. It's very circular. And so it's assumed that everybody's supposed to have this.

There's the assumption is we're all supposed to have the same. You know, if you want true equality, then we all will have the same.

If you make X amount of dollars, I should be able to make X amount of dollars if we're doing the same thing.

You know, it don't matter if you have more experience than I do or any of that kind of stuff. It's the fact that we're doing the same thing.

You know, therefore we should make the same or have the same. If you have a big house, you have five bedrooms,

I should be able to get a five bedroom house too. You may have put more money down. You may have had the capital, but hey, it should be able to be affordable to me if I make less than you do.

I should still be able to get that same five bedroom house and pay what I can pay for it. You know,

I mean, that's just what it's supposed to be because we're equal. We should have the same. The same kind of when it comes to the car and everything else.

Everything is just assumed, these preconceived notions. And it's interesting.

I was doing a review on Prescribed Truth dealing with Martin Luther King at one point and his communist background.

And he did a sermon called, is it wrong for Christians to be a communist?

For Christians to be a communist or to believe in communism, something like that. And in his sermon or his speech,

I should say, he was mostly trying to basically say that we shouldn't be a communist in the sense of back then when communism wanted equality of by any means necessary, whether they had to lie together, whether they had to steal together, because maybe they should want, you know, they all want the same things.

Whereas Martin Luther King was saying that we should all have the same, but we should not have to lie and steal to get to it.

But we should have the same. There should be no different classes. You know, we should all be one class, you know.

And so that's what he was pushing for. And so he said, he said in his speech, I won't rest until every black person is making the same.

You know, he said, I can't rest until we're making the same. But yet whites don't make the same.

I mean, I don't make the same as other people. But this is where the logic falls, because this is where the logic of everything is focused.

We can look at all that fine to comb, but we're going to go back to a majority. So, yeah, it's something about it, something special about you white people that don't make the same as somebody else.

You know, y 'all are the exception, but not the rule. You know, the rule is y 'all got to be sure y 'all have the best and the ups and everything.

It don't matter that it don't matter. There are poor white people that exist who can't you can't get a leg up. It doesn't matter.

The fact is, the majority of the white people got it made, but it's the opposite for the black community.

You have the you may have exceptions where you have some black people who are doing pretty good, you know, got wealth and everything else.

But the majority of the black people are poor and they can't afford anything. See, Barack Obama has a 12 million dollar home in Martha's Vineyard, a one point six million dollar home in Chicago and a eight million dollar home in D .C.

So I guess he's doing pretty good. I'm not even close to that. He's an exception. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

So it's all basketball, basketball players, all football players are all exception. They use for their bodies.

That's what they got. They got the money, you know, and there's some people who made the argument that even even those who play sports are basically just slaves to the to the sport they are, because basically white men are sizing them up, taking measurements, get the bigger, the best, you know, the most athletic one to play on their team.

You know, it's a white man who are owning the franchises. It's a black man who are playing, even though there are some whites and some

Asians and so on, so forth, who play. Yeah. You know, Katie says, you know, think about how what happened to Joseph when, you know, in the

Bible, you know, because Joseph, you know, he didn't have it easy, but he ended up rising to power because God's hand wasn't on that.

So, oh, we got we got we got a troublemaker in the in the room here. Let's bring him in.

Look at that troublemaker. You know, I thought I was going to be nice to you, but now

I don't know. Troublemaker, huh? Hey, hey, it's my

Jewish privilege. See, I got I have that over you. See, I have I have some intersectionality points.

He's Jewish. You're not. So I was related. I'm related to one of the gangsters in the hole in the wall gang.

And, you know, my parents came from Germany. My grandparents and stuff. Great grandparents. So, you know, we had a struggle.

No wonder I don't like him. The German. That's right. Well, my last name Slick comes from the

German schlichtin. Yes, he came slick. So my people. So, so now all we need now is is

Anthony Sylvester to come in. He's he's been watching, at least he said. But, you know, but but so,

Matt, I don't know if you've been. Actually, let's should we trigger five minutes? We trigger

Matt and play a woke brother brother video. Have you seen these, Matt? No, let's let's let's get

Matt triggered. Don't get too bad,

Matt. Yeah, I think. Which one do you think we should play here for Matt? Play the one play the one dealing with the woman who apologizes.

I think that's is that that's Williamson. Yeah, which one was that?

Oh, is that this one? Yeah. OK. All right. So this is and Matt, you just got to remember this is satire.

Oh, it's satire. All right. Yeah, because it's actually hard to know sometimes we're here.

As I speak, I'm going to ask the white Americans in the room to please repeat after me.

On behalf of myself and on behalf of my country. To you and all

African -Americans. From the beginning of our nation's history.

In honor of your ancestors and on behalf of your children. In honor of your ancestors and on behalf of your children.

Please hear this from my heart. Please hear this from my heart. I apologize.

I apologize. Please forgive us. Please forgive us. With this prayer,

I acknowledge. With this prayer, I acknowledge. The depth of the evils that have been perpetrated against black people in America.

The depth of the evils that have been perpetrated against black people in America.

From slavery. To lynchings. To white supremacist laws.

To the denial of voting rights. To all the ways.

Both large and small. All of them evil. All of them wrong.

For all the oppression. And all of the atrocities. I apologize.

Please forgive us. You are the one who gets an approval from the woke brother.

Leading a prayer of all your white people. Apologizing to my black people for the injustices that you perpetrated.

Somebody woke up. Now next time you lead a prayer. Make sure you say it in a way that everybody can follow along.

Because when it came down to talking about the injustice against black people. Somebody skipped over that prayer because it was too long to try to repeat.

Lead a prayer. You got to make sure you say it right. So everybody can say every word that they need to say. So there's some people in there.

Some white people on there who had their hand on black people. Who didn't truly apologize for the injustice that was done to black people.

They skipped over it. I can appreciate you apologizing to no black people.

But let me tell you something. You're not out to clear yet. No ma 'am.

Not by a long shot. See putting your hand on a black man's shoulder and black woman's shoulder.

Isn't enough. To repay us for what we're going through. There need to be some money given.

Did y 'all take up an offering? Y 'all shouldn't took up an offering. Then everybody in there should have been giving.

Everybody who had a hand on a shoulder should have been giving some money. Paying for the emotional trauma that my people have gone through.

That what you should have been doing. And let me tell you something else. All because you led a prayer in that location.

I still ain't got no memo. Ain't nobody emailing me talking about they are sorry for the whiteness.

Where my email at? I want a hand laid on my shoulder. Where you at? At least you tried.

You tried. But didn't we tell you? That y 'all don't have a say in the reconcile of love between blacks and whites.

You need the approval of the black community. Not a black room. Make sure you pay attention.

The black community. Instead of leading that prayer inside of a building. You should have been on the mountaintops.

You should have been at the Capitol. Telling the world to lay their hand on every black man, boy and girl and say,

I'm sorry for being white. I'm sorry that my existence has caused you pain.

That's what you should have been doing. You should have been saying, I'm sorry that I didn't recognize the gift of your black skin in front of me.

I'm sorry. That's what you should have been praying. Now for the rest of you white people out there.

You can learn something from Ms. Williamson. You can learn something from her. Take some notes. I hope you were jotting them down when

I was playing the video. Take some notes. It ain't too late for you to apologize too.

It ain't too late for you to lead a prayer. So wherever you are right now, stop what you're doing. Stop what you're doing right now.

Stretch your hands to this computer screen. And I want you to pretend that you're laying your hand on me. I want you to apologize.

I want you to say you're sorry for the wrong that you caused me. For the pain, for the trauma that you caused me.

And you say, I ain't did no problem. I ain't did nothing. I don't even know you, man. Save all that.

The fact that I'm black and the fact that you're white, that's enough. That's enough. Stop making all these excuses and do what you're supposed to do.

We waiting. So next time one of you decides you want to lead a prayer in a public location, make sure you got some money with you.

Come correct. Don't come at all. But don't you fret, Ms. Williamson. It ain't too late.

It ain't too late. The next time you decide you want to apologize, you just make sure you look up a woke brother.

Matt, repeat after me, Matt. I'm going to ask. So, I mean, wow.

Okay. Did you enjoy doing that video? Yes. I don't know how you keep it straight.

I had, I got to explain when I watched it, when I watched her do that. Yeah. The frustration that I had over there.

Cause this, this is the thing. The fact alone of being black, I'm automatically do something.

The fact alone that you're white automatically means you owe me something. And it's like, that was so foolish.

You have, you have these people apologize for something they had no part in doing. Now those, those in the, those in the audience who may have some racism in their heart.

Okay. Maybe. But everyone, you telling people to just apologize for something they had nothing to do with.

And then, and then they say, we're sorry. We're basically, we're sorry. And that's supposed to, that's going to cover it.

And this is virtue signal. The thing I thought, what are they sorry for? What are they supposed to be sorry for?

They're supposed to be sorry for slavery. Long gone. Voting rights. Long gone.

I mean, cause this is the thing that I've seen as I read through James Cone, who is for folks who don't know who he is, he's, he's kind of the father of black liberation theology.

He was a quote from him in that video too. Yeah. He, I mean, he is, he's really, he's the one that everyone looks to when it comes to this stuff.

By the way, I don't know if you saw some of the comments here, Jamal, but Jeff was saying these guys are hardcore in a good way.

She said, I'd hug this guy. Social distance.

Yes. It'll be an air hug. Don't worry. You know, the thing that James Cone always brings out is that blacks were not treated.

They're treated as subhuman. Now that was true. There was a time that was true, but not in James Cone's time.

He complains about not being able to have voter rights, not having, not being equal because of voter rights.

And it's like, since, you know, he, probably since he was 18, he had voter rights. I mean, it's like, you know, people have the, the time he's writing those things.

These are not issues. Here's the real interesting thing that I find with James Cone and this whole wokeness.

When you look at it, like James Cone will say, and now remember, he wrote after the

World War II, 60s, 70s, 80s. So he's saying how there's

Jewish people that don't like Germans like Matt Slick and, you know, me, like, I don't like him.

I don't like you because you only buy you stinking dinner or lunch, you jerk. Well, Hey, it is not my fault that you're not slick enough.

Slick, but the argument is that we should, we should understand why, why

Jewish people would be upset with Germans after the Holocaust. But you know what?

There's not that hatred anymore. You know why? Because the Jewish people that are, you know, living today didn't go through the

Holocaust. They don't have the hatred. But yet somehow the whole thing with wokeness is that African Americans have to keep that hatred for things that they never lived through.

And that's the thing I don't, I just don't understand. Yeah, that's, that's the most frustrating part to me is, especially when

I've seen, I've watched videos and I've seen people like white people admit that to that, you know,

I'm right now I'm embracing the fact of my embrace, embracing my white privilege that, you know,

I've somehow, I've been racist this whole time. I didn't know. I'm like, dude, what, really?

Like, you know what I'm saying? Like you, you, you, you now realize that you were racist when, when, how, in what way, you know, and it's like, it's bearing false witness.

You're lying. You're still lying. You know, it's, it didn't, oh man, it's what makes it so frustrating.

It's just like, he did it while I do the video in that moment. It's like, when I be looking, I keep a straight face because I be irritated.

It was cool with the glasses on too. You look serious. Oh, he's got the glasses, he came in the show with that. And Matt, you see what

Melissa says here. She says, Andrew can buy me dinner anytime. I, you know, I guess she doesn't know what your problem is there,

Matt. One day it's going to happen.

You should probably talk about some of the experiences you've had trying. Yeah, that's another show, but yeah, it'll take an hour, but yeah, you know, the woke thing to me is, is ridiculous.

There's some kind of a brainwashing thing going on in America with leftism and they use racism to, to do stuff.

It's just, it's like most people, everybody

I know, I mean, except for Andrew here, he's obviously a racist.

I mean, he, you know, he tried to compensate by marrying a Chinese woman. That's obviously the only reason to do that.

But you know, I mean, it's just, I just get so tired of the idiocy of the blame game of, you know, you're white, you're black, you're yellow, you're brown, you're this, you're that.

And this is why we have problems. No, you know, I had a Mexican friend in high school.

I called him Beaner and he called me honky and go over his house, his mom and dad, you know, speak

Spanish, like whatever, I don't care. And it never was an issue. It's only after, you know, you start listening to the news, start listening to all this stuff, all racism, that you start thinking about it.

It was never an issue and we're being manipulated. And I'm not going to apologize for what my ancestors may or may not have done.

My ancestors came from Germany. They weren't here for slave stuff, you know. And then, you know, this stuff about paying money.

What? From what I understand, $22 trillion basically has gone into low -income neighborhoods since the 60s.

The problem isn't money. The problem is the culture. And, you know, we have a black problem culture.

We have another culture called white trash. And we know what that is.

And, you know, my wife and I, we watch cops. And you will see, it doesn't matter who, except mostly it's black and white people, rarely is it

Asians for some reason, but you'll see stupid people doing stupid things.

Drugs, meth, stealing cars. You okay,

Nick? Okay, sorry, I squealed something. And, you know, and they make choices that keep them in poverty, that keep them in bondage.

I always look at it as, look, if you want to get out of poverty, work.

Now, I know some situations it's not so easy, I understand. But come on, you know, stop blame shifting.

Because that's what children do, not to call them all children, but the idea of maturity is that children, they blame someone else, they whine, they cry.

But as we grow, what happens is we become more mature, hopefully, and we become other centered and we start taking responsibility.

And that's a general thing. I know that there's people have difficulties and there's challenges. I understand that.

But I just see so much of blame everybody else, just stop it, you know,

I get tired of it. One of the most heated conversations I've gotten into is dealing with the justice system and dealing with the subject of prison reform and all that.

And so the fact that there's an injustice because there are more black people in the prisons than there are whites, anyone else.

And I looked at it, and then it got more controversial when I started to get into police killings, you know.

But now going back to just being in jail, I was like, somebody's like, well, how do you explain that?

Well, I say, if that is true, then you just have more black people committing crimes. I mean, you know, like,

OK, how do you expect the state to fix that? Now, you can get into,

I'm sorry, Andrew. Yeah, I got a comment about that before you go. I did nine years of prison ministry inside of level one, two, three, four prisons.

That means, you know, for level four, you go through like seven, eight, ten doors and then you go in and you're in with the bad guys.

You have a button. And if something happens, you click it and hopefully it'll get to you in time. So, I mean,

I did it for nine years. And guess who the most majority of the people I saw in prison were? Guess which race it was?

Asians. White. Seriously. I believe it. You're in Idaho, Matt.

California. It was California, Folsom prison, Corcoran prison down in San Diego area.

I did prison work here. I don't care. I mean, you see a black person in Idaho. You go, hey, look, a black person.

You know, it's like, wow, how'd that happen? How'd it get through? You know, we have a border thing.

But you did an episode on your podcast where you went through crimes of people who are black.

Actually, you know, you should actually get that those stats over to Matt and put that up on Karm because that should be up there.

But Matt, what he did was he went through all the stats of everybody who is like all the different races of people, all the issues of where you had a black man killed.

I think he even went through all the ones where a black man was killed by whites. And it was like there was an accident.

There was, you know, like and he just broke them all down. I think it came down to like one or two of them that were actually a hate crime.

You had like nine. So in the year I think I was going over a year of 2019, you had at the time it was like 900 or so cases where police had to use deadly force.

And it's funny, this came from I want to say it was the Washington Post, which is which is mostly liberal.

But they try to show basically this big old number. They got this huge number. And they say, oh, look how many people the police are killing every year, you know.

But you but they got them individual. They got individual cases on it and you can filter them out.

And so I took the filter and I was like, OK, well, the issue is always unarmed black men. So let me let me look up people who are unarmed, who did not flee.

So they didn't run. So they can't say, oh, because they ran. That's why they shot. Like, OK, no, this person didn't run.

And then you had so they had the ages. OK, let's look at young people, you know, you know, ages between teens and in the 20s or so.

Look at all that. And then so unarmed, no weapon at all, anything, any of that stuff.

And then men, you know, because in our community, they talk about police are targeting black men more than women.

So it's just black men. So, OK, just men I want to look at. And when it boiled down to it was three, three cases, you know, unarmed where they didn't flee.

There was no car chase or nothing. There was no fleeing. They were unarmed and they were between the ages of four.

If you count a teenager was like 14, which is accidental. So three was in the 20s and up.

And one of the cases was someone was killed, you know, a police officer shot.

He was aiming for someone else. He was aiming for another suspect. But the suspect he was aiming for dodged and he hit a bystander who was basically with the not bystander, but a person who was there with the suspect.

It took him out, you know. And so there was they showed you the news articles that went with those cases.

And so you put a news article and it was showing how people were protesting for justice for that that young man who was killed.

But it was like it was an accident. You know, he wasn't he wasn't the intended target. He was just the wrong place at the wrong time.

And things like that happened. And then and also I want to look at cases where there was no body cam, you know, saying there was no body cam.

So, you know, just everything, everything people could say, there's some kind of conspiracy that there's no cam, there's no, you know, this and the third.

And but, yeah, it came out of three cases. But what's interesting was I did that same thing and I looked at white people, the cases for whites, and it was more.

It was more of white people getting killed, more white men around the same ages, unarmed, not fleeing, all those things who were being killed by police officers.

You know, and even within the cases, if you look at individual cases, it wasn't like they hated each other. You had one case where a man was a police officer coming to get him and he attacked him.

He was unarmed, but he was attacking them. And he was, you know, he was getting him. He was beating him. And he had to defend himself.

The police officer had to use deadly force. And, you know, that's what happened. You know, and so and this was a white man.

This wasn't a black case. It was a white man who got killed, you know, trying to fight police. I see people be saying I've heard people say this and I don't mean to go on this long rant, but I've heard people say, oh, if a white man did the same thing that black man did, oh, they ain't gonna do nothing to him.

They're gonna they're gonna just they're gonna just beat him up, take him to jail. They ain't gonna kill him. Like, no, this this guy lost his life, you know, attacking a police officer, you know, pulling a knife on him, you know.

And so, yeah, it's it's just so disheartening because it's like these things are not true. But like you said,

Matt, and I like what you said is brainwashing, because the more you see it, it just keeps getting fed to you and fed to you and fed to you.

And if anybody comes with any sense, even with stats and they're like, those stats can't be right. That can't be the truth.

And it's like, what more can you say at that point? You know, we got facts and what more can you do?

Yeah, you know what? 14 percent of the American population is black. Well, what's the percentage of people in jail who are black?

Well, you take a percentage of the people who are in the country and percentage and then there's a problem or it's not an equality, so to speak.

Well, then what's the reason? And it's worth examining and looking and then you try and solve things. But as you were talking about that stuff,

I mean, I don't know if you know this, but you know what it means to be swatted? They call the police on you.

How about that? Yeah, I was swatted last year. Oh, wow. And so I ended up, you know, the police,

I mean, I opened my front door, someone called up and said, my name is Matt Slick. I just shot and killed my wife.

Boom. I mean, cops everywhere, guns out, open the door, they're pointed at me. You know, they're yelling at me, hands up in the air.

Walk backwards, all this stuff, you know, handcuff me, put me in the car, the whole thing. And I wasn't worried.

And the reason I wasn't worried is because there wasn't any color I was, but it was my attitude.

See, they said, do this, do it. You know, I mean, these guys had AR -15s.

They had Glocks. I could see their guns when I got close. They had, you know, guns on them. They're pointed and they're armed and they've got fingers around the triggers.

My hands are up in the air. I did exactly what they said when they said it. No problem at all.

And you know, when I get stopped by a cop, um, these guys don't know who I am. They don't care what color

I am. Do I have a gun? Am I, did I just rob somebody? I just kill somebody. Did I do this or do that?

They're going to treat everybody the same way. They have the same procedures. So what I do is I turn my, if it's at night, turn my light on inside the car, roll the windows down, both sides, put my keys on top of the dash and then take my, and put my hands like this on, you know, on the steering wheel.

So my, my hands and my fingers are exposed. And I do this literally every single time. How many times do you get pulled over actually?

Oh, I watch it twice a day. Watch it twice a day. And, um, so I get about once every two years.

And, uh, so, you know, I, I do that and they come up and then, and I don't, I don't go looking for my driver's license.

I don't go looking for anything in my car. They don't know, not because I want my rights.

No, they don't know who I am or what my attitude is or if I'm armed or not or anything.

And I'm just doing this. And then when they tell me to look for something, you know, I carry, I carry a gun and my gun is next to my, my wallet and there, and it hasn't happened yet, but I would say, you know, okay, my wallet is next to my weapon, which is loaded.

I say condition three, I just want you to know that when I leave, you know, if there's anybody there, there's no, that's all.

And what they'll do, they'll tell you what to do when you just follow it and do it. And that's it. And I've even gotten a ticket before and said to the cop,

Hey, officer, I want to thank you for doing your job. Now, if you really want to blow a cop's mind, do that. But, uh, this is the kind of thing you do.

Not that it doesn't mean that something bad can't happen, but it certainly lowers the problem.

These guys put yourself in their position. They don't know who you are. Just be cool. Things will work out.

You know, one of the things, Matt, Oh, go ahead. I was going to say two things. One, Matt, you just basically just ignored all your privilege.

See, you've chosen not to, you, all you got to do is just lay back, just kick back when they come up.

I'm just like, what's up? I'm white. Yeah. What happened? What is black cops? You know, then you got to be careful.

We have a black cops here. Black cops. You need to do everything you just said. You know,

I, I do, I do everything Matt says, except for one thing that I do different. I, I can't say officer.

I, I, I'm carrying, I live in New Jersey, New Jersey. That's right. Yeah. You know, you can't eat.

I have no weapons. I just can't take them out of the house unless I'm here in Idaho. If you're not carrying, they almost say, look, let's drive to the store right now.

You got to eat a gun. Yeah. Almost how it is here in Idaho. It's awesome. Let me add in.

We got someone coming in. Chris. So welcome, Chris. Hi. How you doing?

What questions do you have for us tonight? Well, actually I saw that the topic was on like the social justice and that sort of stuff.

And actually I had like a precept question in regards to that. Like I, I know in like Dr.

Sylvester's book and also in like the, what do we, what do they believe book that I've read before that when it comes to precept or whatnot, if you can, if you're showing inconsistency within the, within a certain worldview or whatnot, that shows how it can be false.

And I'm going to drop out an idea out. And I want to get you guys to critique to see if that, if it should be a valid, like, like a valid, like reason why the whole social critical race theory stuff doesn't really pan out.

So I'm, I'm left -handed, so I'm just going to use like critical left -handed theory.

If we could, if I could coin a term like that. So, yeah. Okay. So here's how, here's how, here's how

I'll play it. And then you guys let me know, like, could that, could we use this as just, I mean, I use this in a joking manner, but at the same time to show how critical theories really is not nonsense.

So for example, instead of like white privilege that the social justice people use, we could use right privilege.

So for, for example, in English, obviously it's, it's written left to right.

So for me, whenever I write or whatnot, some of the annoying things, it's like when you get like the, on the bottom part of the hand or whatnot, you get all that pencil or whatnot.

And then it's like, man, those, the people that create the English language, man, they're so, they're so, um, against left -handed people or like in America, for example, you have to drive on the right side of the road and in vehicles, the gas and the brake are also on the right side of the road.

I'm right, right side on the other right foot or whatnot. And I'm, I'm also left foot as well. So it's like, man, those car manufacturers, man, they have so much right privilege.

You need to live in England and read Hebrew. That's, that's the conclusion. Exactly, exactly. Then that's left, then that's left privilege.

You know, so you, because you're, you're not right -handed privileged, you probably can't write with a fountain pen because you'd be smearing it as you write.

Pretty much. Yeah. Yeah. See, so, you know, but, but here, here would be the dilemma with this because there's one thing you have to understand with wokeness and social justice, um, logic need not apply.

Okay. I mean, because you can, you can, and I think Jamal, you might've said this. It doesn't matter what the facts are.

This is a feeling -based belief. It's not a thinking -based belief. And this is the frustrating thing with them because it doesn't matter what you say.

They can ignore all of your logic for what they feel. You know, like, like, like Matt feels he should be able to buy me a meal.

He just logically can't. We'll get to it.

He's outsmarted me. I will admit several times, but, um, I don't know if you saw the text I just wrote to you or wrote in there,

Jamal. I'd love to see your, your research and your stats on that, uh, stuff sometime, you know, just, uh, cause it sounds interesting what you do.

You do the kind of thing I do, you know, research and write. And I love to go in and look and see it.

It's surprising what you find. And the other thing I think is really a serious problem in America is the news media.

I mean, that's a problem. Oh man. You know, on my radio show, I'd like today, we got to talk about politics.

Matt, listen, the news media is not a problem. Journalists are not the problem. You know what the problem is?

There aren't any journalists anymore. They're all, that's right. Yeah. They're all, you know, commie, pinko, wacko,

Marxist, socialist guys with agendas. I don't know. You know, but the media, we felt the media doesn't, uh, the media is part of the problem because what it does is it foments racism.

It foments prejudices. It provides prejudice, it foments, uh, and supports, um, uh, anger, um, coveting.

It does all kinds of stuff. If they did what you did, Jamal, and gave the statistics, I could see you, a black guy on, uh, the news, say

CNN, leftist CNN interviewed you. Well, what would happen to you? You know, you'd be mocked.

You'd be ridiculed. You can't be right. And even though you had the facts, facts don't matter. What matters is the agenda.

And I want to know what's going on that there's such an agenda that people are so inclined to produce and, and in, in foment racism, hatred, prejudices.

Why are they doing this? The news media does it on purpose. They do. I don't get it.

It's like in the case of that, um, that boy who was a bystander got caught in a stray bullet, but basically the bullet that was meant for the suspect, because the suspect was not, it's the thing, the suspect that the police was going to get was armed.

He had a gun and he, he draw, he drew on the police officer, which caused them to fire in the first place.

So he was armed. The one who got shot was unarmed. But how the media twisted it is that another, another, the media articles on those was unarmed black, um, unarmed black man killed by police, big headline, white police, white or just police or just police.

Cause I was about police brutality at this point. And then you get, but you look at the, um, the article and it gives the police officer's name and who he is.

And you know, he's a white man. And so that just feeds into the whole narrative. It doesn't, it doesn't matter. They don't give all the details that he was just there.

You know, that's a small print. You got to know what was going on, but in the big letters, that's what people focus on the headline draws the attention.

It's all in the headlines. I mean, you can read these headlines, then you read the rest of the story and it's like, it doesn't say it's, it's like clickbait.

You know, my wife and I were just seeing today that there was this guy that, you know, he's, he's, uh, got arrested.

He basically was, uh, giving a, a security guard a hard time and the security guard called the police.

And when he realized he was going to go back to prison, he decided, he literally said he decided he was going to kill as many white people as he could.

So he pulled out a gun and started firing at white people. And he said he wanted to kill as many white people as he could.

That was, they even had him on court, like at the court. And he's sitting there and they're like, you know, did you want to kill white people?

Yes. You know, and it was like, I, you know, you're, you're not having protests about that.

You know what? Because that's a good thing to say, because, you know, if I hear that, I'm not going to think let's all black people are like that.

I don't think that my question is how many black people think that white people are all racist.

Is that predominant in the culture at all? Or am I just, I just don't know. Cause is it? Yeah, most, most of them.

Yes. Cause the thing is, once again, Andrew said earlier, it's based off of experience. It's based off experience. And so this is the thing.

And I've had a conversation with people like this. It's like, because they've experienced this racism from a white person, they may have.

I mean, legit. Man, my dad, he experienced racism on the job. He did.

He worked at a factory where he was doing manufacturing work. And, um, uh, well, a carpentry work.

And he went on the job and it was white owned. And, um, he gets to the job. My dad, he's wise with his money.

He saves and stuff like that. So he bought him a truck. He had this brand new truck. And I think he had like the nicest truck at the place.

Well, they started treating him differently. The, um, the owner, the people, they started treating them differently.

My dad ended up going to court. They fired him eventually. And he was able to win in court of a wrongful lawsuit because they were being prejudiced how they behaved towards him.

Because he seemed like he had more than they did. And, you know, it would make it seem like they were paying him more than what they should have been paying him, you know, and all that kind of stuff, just politics.

It happens. But he experienced that. And because now he experienced that he won the case. But now my dad's always, he's always had this statement.

So this ain't because of this, but this is one of the drops in a bucket that makes him even more feel like, see, you just can't trust the white people.

You know, the white people just, you know, that's the issue. See, there's a fallacy of logic called the fallacy of,

I believe it's division where the engine of the car is blue. Therefore, the whole car is blue. It's a logical fallacy.

So one white person was prejudiced against him. So all white people are prejudiced against them. That's called a fallacy.

I understand the emotional attachment that we can have. I mean, I used to be chased.

Believe it or not, this doesn't really compare, but this is as close as I can compare to. I have no interest in sports.

And I moved 26 times before I was 12 years old. Well, my last name was Slick. I was buck tooth, super skinny and had long hair and all this stuff and, or short hair because my dad was in the military.

And well, we got out into civilian life. The people I learned to hate were white people who watch sports.

If it was a white person who watched sports, those were the bad people. I don't, it didn't matter if it was black people or Asian people that watch sports, they were okay.

It was only the white sports people who I learned to hate and distrust.

And it took, literally it took years to get over that before I realized, well, it's not, you know, it's not everybody.

But I understand, I don't know if that's a good enough comparison, but I understand what it means to, you know, things happen and you latch onto it.

And it does take work to get rid of that and to avoid that mindset. But the one good thing that came out of all of that is

I don't watch sports. I mean, I grew up in a town that was, there was a section of town next door that was more

Jewish, but where I happened to live, it wasn't. And they, you know, we had,

I mean, we had people that were doing stuff. We, you know, I was getting picked on all because of my

Jewish, until I got to high school. When I got to high school, I was able to, there were other Jewish kids. And so then to, you know, to group up with, but until I was in high school.

Yeah. I mean, I, you know, we all had gotten picked on being the only Jewish family in the area.

And so, yeah, but that didn't mean that I assumed everyone Roman Catholic is, you know, something.

Well, you have, you had put up a comment from humble clay about racism definitely exists.

And then, yeah, on every side. Now read the whole quote from humble clay.

So folks who are listening. Okay. So humble clay says racism definitely exists on every side and it's stupid and wrong, but it's also an agenda for some.

Yeah. Now, the point I wanted to bring out is that black people would, some black people will say black people can't be racist because racism isn't based off an attitude.

It's off a status. You know, you gotta, you gotta have a status and that brings on the attitude, you know, so because black people don't have the status that white people do and we can't be racist, you know, literal arguments, literal arguments made off of this.

This is something dealing with the heart. You define, you ask them to define, okay. How can you define whether somebody's racist?

Like what, what behaviors are shown and they'll give the behaviors, how they act and this and that there.

Okay. Can you do that with money, without money? Okay.

So they ain't back off status. It's, it's, it's behavior. It's attitude. So if you don't say, so therefore a black person can be racist and are, some are racist.

But you have, you have them redefine racism, right?

I mean, this is, this, this is what I find so frustrating is racism keeps getting changed every year to fit your racism was when someone was being treated a certain way because of the color of their skin.

Then it became someone that doesn't, that's underprivileged. And that's why you can't, you know, a black man can't be a racist because they don't have their underprivileged.

Now it's, you know, if you don't hate Trump, you're racist. You know, if you, if you vote for Trump, you know, you're, you're a racist.

But you know, it's, it's, it really is. It's a changing definition to where it becomes meaningless.

Chris, you were going to say something. Yeah. Well, I was bringing out another, a couple of examples too. Like, so I'm down,

I'm in downtown Oklahoma city and there's a group of street preachers that are like part of solid biblical churches that I'm a part of network with.

And, and like a downtown Oklahoma city, there's a place for like black people to go like in the summertime or whatnot, to preach, to preach their message or whatnot.

Now I haven't personally interacted with them yet because I just recently moved down to Oklahoma, but from people in my network or whatnot, they've interacted with them.

And they've, and even like, they've noticed like the racist trends from the black evangelists to like the preachers.

Yeah. Yeah. I have, I've done some podcasts with the black, black evangelists and one of them, we actually,

I actually played the clips of when we walked away. You know, we got the video from those guys. And I mean, when we were leaving them, you want to talk about race?

I mean, they're like, can't wait for the race riots to start. So we can start popping these crackers and enslaving them and raping their women.

I mean, that's how they were talking as we were, as we were leaving, you know? And so, yeah, that's, it's a pretty racist group, right?

Yeah. Well, that's something else I wanted to bring up. There's two points I did want to draw, because we were talking about Trump earlier.

This was from my old, earlier, you mentioned about Donald Trump. I've heard an argument that, you know, because you mentioned about Bush when it came to Katrina.

This is a while back, Andrew, but how people would blame Bush for what happened and stuff like that. Well, when it came to the coronavirus,

I've heard people have made the argument, and it's all, you know, conspiracy, you know, that Trump, that, you know, he could have, he could have blocked our borders and protected

America, but he didn't do it. He didn't do it in time. Though, in January, he did make an announcement that this is something we should do.

Yet, you know, he could have done it. He didn't do it. But what Trump did do is that he was in cahoots with Russia.

So he warned Putin and Putin closed his borders, you know, therefore they would have the least numbers of cases.

And so, therefore, Trump, he was trying to, you know, he did all this to basically cause this chaos in America to get him reelected in office.

So. You missed one part of that.

I don't know if you saw the recent one. China says that that Trump created it, that this was Trump got the army to create the virus and send it to China.

Now, it was interesting as I asked the person I was having a conversation with, it's like, OK, could you mention about Bush because the states have rights, right?

So so Trump, he says that this is what he wants to do in January. He says, OK, this is what we should do. We should stop travel from China.

Right. It didn't happen. He was called he was called. I don't know. Yes. Because of that, you know.

But then in a press conference recently, he was questioning Trump. He said,

Mr. President, why didn't you do enough to protect our borders? He's like, I said, it's what we should do.

You know, it's crazy, you know. But then it's like, but this is America. So he doesn't have he can't control all this.

But how is how is Russia ran? Russia isn't the same as America, right? Am I mistaken?

Is Russia like Putin, like he's like his leader? Well, he they don't have that anymore, but there isn't the same system of checks and balances.

So he doesn't have to go through Congress or governors or things like that. So and here's the thing that really frustrates me.

You know, you're going to get me triggered now. But, you know, when you look at the timeline, you look at this timeline, right?

Trump ends up seeing that there's this this virus. He he asks Congress for special funding to go to CDC to to start researching coronavirus.

You know what Nancy Pelosi said? No, we're not. We're not discussing that yet. They waited a whole week before discussing and voting on that funding.

You know what they had to vote? It was more important discussing flavored tobacco with the vaping.

That was more important. So he spent a week discussing that. OK, and deal with this.

And when he closed the border and said no one from China is coming in, what did Nancy Pelosi do?

She goes to Chinatown and goes, oh, he's being racist against Asian -Americans. He never mentioned

Asian -Americans. He mentioned no one from China because there's a virus from China.

And she's going and saying, everyone come out, be outside. AOC, even in early

March, was saying that Trump was overblowing this and that people should be outside and and be going and gathering together.

So so even as early as March. OK, so what were the Democrats doing? Were they doing anything to stop this?

No, Pelosi sat there and did absolutely nothing. When they tried doing a funding bill, she flies in on her private jet from California.

She zooms in and says, stop the bill. I want the Green New Deal in here. OK, we got a deal that she blows that up for half a week to a week.

And you have the second one that they now did. What happened? She holds that up for a week just so she can go. It was really the

Republicans in the Senate. They held it up. It was on your desk. How did the

Republicans mean they handed it to her a week ago? And somehow it's the Republicans fault that she didn't sign it.

Right. They've done nothing but sit there and go say, oh, he didn't do enough. He knew he should have done more.

He should have done it sooner. Like and, you know, it's like, wouldn't it have saved more lives if he did something sooner?

Wouldn't it be better if you blamed the place where this actually originated from? How about we blame the

WHO, who in February was still saying it can't be transfer of human to human?

How about we blame China, who didn't tell us all of the facts of what was going on? They kept it secret.

They were they were killing the doctor for whistleblowers. Then they kicked out the

U .S. press. But let's not blame China. Let's continue to support the, you know, let's go with the talking points in the media.

And every day, if you watch the briefings every day, all it is is the communist talking points from China being thrown at the president.

And I got to tell you today was the funniest because he's just like he looks at the woman from CNN. He goes, he says,

I'm not taking a question from you. You're fake news. You're you're not said that today. Oh, he says it every day.

He calls him fake news because he goes, he goes, you're fake news.

And she like says something. And it's like he just goes he's like trying to ask him for it.

And she's like just shouting over. And the other person not talking. So he just sits there, goes like shakes his head.

And then when she's done, she he goes, OK, next question. And she's like, ignore her, just ignore her.

And here's the thing, you know, here's the other thing. Do you know that this is another thing Pelosi is doing? Do you know that Pelosi has started an investigation into Donald Trump's handling of the coronavirus?

They're already starting the next impeachment. They're looking in to see whether he mishandled.

What did she do? Nothing. She got in the way every time he had to do it by executive order because she wouldn't work with him.

She wouldn't she wouldn't let Congress do what they were supposed to do. So he had to do it by executive order. Why didn't he do it right away?

Because he was trying to do it the proper way through Congress was delaying. So who do we blame?

We should blame her. We should blame John. We should blame W .H .O. That's who she is. But so if you were asked,

OK, what does that have to do with being woke? Like this is a definition woke is being aware of injustices.

And according to the conspiracy, then Trump has committed a grave injustice against his own country, the country that he's supposed to be protecting and serving.

You know, so he's purposely allowed this virus to come in and not only affect people, but affect black and brown people.

You know, and it's his fault. He didn't close the border. And he is so evil.

He's the most he's the most wicked president that we've ever had. He's working.

He's letting states have the rights to to make decisions. Yeah. In the briefings, ask him why this, you know, the

Congress gave him power to just demand companies to manufacture things and to demand the states to do that.

And he's not doing it. And they're so over that. And he's like, I don't need to. I'm working with them.

Yeah. Yeah. The left is it's they're whacked.

My wife and I watch a half hour to an hour a day. Usually we have a routine in the evening.

We relax, watch some news. And, you know, it's just amazing at the the agenda that's there and the blindness, the hatred, the the agenda that you want to push is truth is a commodity to be sold and twisted.

It reminds me of Lucifer in Genesis three. You know, did God really say the initial questioning of the very nature of truth?

And this is what we have a problem with. And they're very powerful. We've got to do something about it. But yeah, it's in fact, oh,

I tell you the story. This is a true story about the news media. I don't trust them.

I do not trust them. Your buddy. I don't trust them. Huh? Is this your buddy in college? In seminary.

Seminary. Yeah. So I was in seminary and I graduated in 1991. And it was a friend of mine, a white guy who was from South Africa.

And the apartheid riots were happening. And he told me what happened the night before. He's he's watching the apartheid riots.

And lo and behold, you know, it's South Africa. He recognizes a street corner where his brother is living.

It's going to happen. You know, he goes, oh, my goodness. Hope he's OK. He calls him up. He said, you know, are you

OK? And his brother said, what are you talking about? He goes, the riots. He goes, what riots? The riots outside on the corner right there.

Look out your window. And he goes, there's nothing out there. So the news said it was live riots.

And he's talking to his brother live in South Africa. Wow. And it was an invented false story.

The brother had told him two months ago, they had a little gathering, just disturbance.

People know it wasn't to call it a riot, but they call it a protest about something unrelated. They use that film to create a false narrative.

Yeah. Wow. There's another example that comes to mind, too. So I went to university up in North Dakota and in like a critical race theory class that I took as a gen editor requirement.

Well, now one of the class periods we had, where the professor was trying to get us to become woke.

And the video that he tried, what they're showing us was, well, one of the reasons why the racism exists in America is because when it comes to retail stores, retail stores pick on black people when it comes to shoplifting.

Therefore, racism exists in America. You know, I watch cops and they have a great thing in the intro.

They have a white guy running out of a store. He gets tackled by a white cop and the whole bit.

I mean, they're all over him like a monkey on a cupcake, just ripping him apart. You know, it was great to see. But yeah, they're the ones who did it.

God. So in Eric Mason's interview dealing with, and of those who may not know who

Eric Mason is, he's a pastor of, how do I say, Elevation Church. That's not the name of his church.

I've just lost it. He's an urban pastor in an urban community. Often, I want to say, dang, where is that place?

I would have said, at the end of the day, I would have said the city he's in. Anyway, but he's a pastor. You can look him up,

Pastor Eric Mason. He wrote, he's the author of Woke Church. But he mentioned in an interview that he was discussing about the book that an act of racism or an act of this white fragility, stuff like that, and it's injustice is when you walk into a store and the owners, they don't say hello.

They don't speak. Or they mug you. They're looking at you, watching what you're doing. You're shopping in the store or whatever, and they're just watching you.

And that is a type of injustice because the store owner is assuming, because you're black, that you're going to be stealing something.

Or it could be the fact that they have a history of break -ins and robberies, and they're watching everybody who walks in.

You just happen to meet their glance. It could be any of those things. Wait, wait, wait, wait.

So you're saying that Matt actually has been suffering from injustice because whenever Matt and I enter into a restaurant,

I'm looking at him that way. I mean, when Matt, when we're in a restaurant, I'm mugging

Matt. That's the term. I didn't know the term for it there, but I'm mugging Matt. I'm sitting there. Yeah. See, I'm watching what he's doing.

And there's a reason I have to, because he may try to pay for a meal. See, the best part of this is he doesn't even hear this part because he's busy talking to his wife.

So let me throw this. Okay, we'll give him that one again later. But here, Humble Clay says,

I have many problems with Trump, but thank God for Trump. And this is actually what a lot of people feel. Can you picture if Hillary was president during,

I mean, just picture like President Hillary Clinton. Like right during this virus.

I mean, you think she could handle this well? You know, Matt, you missed something. You were talking to me.

Yeah. We discovered that you suffer injustice at my hands. At where?

Well, at my hands, because, you know, I always do. You mock me mercilessly.

Oh, yeah. Okay. Okay. With that, I got it. So this is what happens. This is what happens.

If I'm like, if I'm having a bad day or I'm stressed or, you know, having problems,

I call Matt for advice, right? He doesn't give advice. He just insults me over and over relentlessly until I forget the problem.

You end up laughing. That's how I help you. Because there's so much truth with the insults.

You're just a lot of material there. You end up laughing and then it helps you out. Well, listen, listen. Jamal was talking about mugging.

That when guys come in a store, that they're watching them because they're mugging them. And I realize that's exactly what

I do with you. You suffer injustice because every time I'm in a restaurant with you, I'm watching what you're doing.

That's right. You're going to pull out a credit card and I have to pull it out of your hands or push you out of the way or do some other childish behavior.

Just make sure you're okay. You know, I know you're joking around and stuff like that, but there's actually truth to what you're saying.

I watch everybody that way. I don't care who they are. I meet somebody. I don't know who they are.

I size them up. I'll watch how they walk. I watch how they speak. I watch what's going.

I don't want to know if they're going to be a threat. No, I'm not going overboard here, but it's what

I do. Because I moved so much, I was traumatized. So it's part of me to always assess anybody quickly.

And that's what I do. Well, is that wrong? No, and there's a reason for it.

Because there's this thing called profiling. Get this. Do you want to know why Israel doesn't have any hijackings on their planes?

They profile. They profile. And when I was in Israel and Tel Aviv coming out, going in and going out, they had it together.

And they checked you. They looked at you. They had people just looking at you.

They're sizing you up. That's what they're doing. They're just standing there. And they're armed and they're intimidating.

And they want to see what body language you're going to do. They profile. There's no problems. I felt so safe when

I was there because of it. I profile people all the time. It doesn't matter what race they are.

I don't care. I want to know if they're going to be a threat. That's all. I think we all do.

That's why we don't walk up to anybody and just tell them all our information. Like I'm not going to walk up to somebody and give them my social security number.

Why? Because I don't profile them. I don't trust them. It's called vetting. Yes. We had a case where Matt, we were at a conference.

It was Matt, myself and David Wood. Okay. Here we are.

The pastor takes us to dinner before the conference. We just lost Chris. He takes us to dinner and there's one chair that's against the wall facing the restaurant.

Oh, yeah. And the three of us are all fighting over who gets that chair. And so that we can not have our backs to the door so you can watch.

Correct. So we can watch. So I ended up winning based on this. This was the argument. This was the logic. We were all fighting, trying to give reasons why we needed that chair.

Matt was like, well, I get attacked more. I turned to Matt and said, yes, but you're in New Jersey now and you can't carry.

Therefore, you're the worst out of all of us because you in that position, you can't do anything. And so then David Wood and I are arguing over who has more of a karate and martial arts background to who could defend the most of us.

So I had years of martial arts. I got the prime location. David got the second location.

And Matt was in the worst location. I look at it this way. Once the primary one's gone, it doesn't really matter anymore.

It's on you. But, you know, Nathan, I have a buddy. You don't know him, but I have a buddy named

Nathan here. He carries all the time. And whenever we go out any place together, it's always it's all we discuss who's going to sit strategically.

It's not like we're just waiting for something to happen. It's just, you know, it's just like, hey, you got that. OK, I got you.

Got your back. OK, we got, you know, we're good. It's always like that. Nathan doesn't carry, Matt. He double carries.

I mean, he double carries. He carries twice in case, you know, someone else needs something.

But you'll like this comment from Donnie Jacks. He says, we all take turns making fun of Andrew. We should do a show making fun of Andrew.

Oh, man. Somebody should do it. You could do a compilation. Somebody can make a compilation of all the times that you crack at him on a video.

That's right. But I do have an advantage because there are others who take cracks at Matt on my behalf.

There's a lot. And so, you know, I have that where sometimes people will, you know, will bust on Matt just because, well,

I kind of think he's deserving it. But let's see if we could find a clip like this.

Was Andrew the one that helped you get the podcast back up? Yeah, he did get the podcast.

She didn't help, but he did it. Yeah, that's right. Don't you think you owe him a dinner for that? Oh, no.

Got him. See, even when Matt's on other shows. Yeah. See, Jamal, like, you know, we joke around who's going to buy.

And he's outsmarted me a couple of times. But the best one, the best one was we went, we were in Utah.

And we were, it was late, like 11 or midnight, whatever it was, 10, anyway. And he was feeling a little bit under the weather, just a little bit.

Not sick, but, you know, just a little worn down. It was okay. And so we go to McDonald's. This is, you know, we're doing

Witnessing the Mormons. We've been out there for hours. You know, and the whole thing. And so we come back and we're going to go there.

And we've had wrestling matches over things. And I've taken things. He's taken, you know. Anyway, so.

Big children. Yeah, big children. Entertainment for many people. That's right. And so, you know,

I push, we're pushing. He goes, look, I just, he goes, go ahead. And, you know, because I can tell he's not feeling up to it.

So I go, okay, great. And so take my card and I pay. And he goes up and orders.

I had paid for mine. You let me pay for mine. That's right. You already paid. I wasn't going to fight you because you weren't feeling right.

That's right. And so then I buy mine. And, you know, and I kind of, I remember going, see,

I got my own stuff. Ha ha. I mocked him. And then I walk over 20, 30 feet to the soda machine to get something.

And the girl behind the counter goes, hey, sir. I look over. She goes, your card didn't go through.

And I went, no, because he goes, he puts his card out. There was no way.

It was no way that I could get back in time. I'm like, no, you know, it was, you know,

I lost. I lost that one. But I won that one. I lost that one. It was a funny thing. Wow. The lady behind the counter was the funny one.

It was all the times, you know, it's like, come on. The lady behind the counter turns. Mocking me.

Matt and I are both trying to pay for mine. And I, you know, and I had waived my phone.

And because I waived my phone, it was faster than Matt slipping the thing in. So the lady behind the counter.

And this is like, definitely not the training she got at McDonald's on how to treat customers. She turned to me, you're a loser.

We, of course, instantly loved her. She was like the greatest. But when Matt didn't pay the second time, he walks over there and she goes, you're such a loser.

If there was a contest for losers, you'd come. Oh, yeah. That was a lot of fun to hear that. So it's been a running joke.

And the reason it's a running joke kind of thing is because 20 years ago, Bill McKeever is an expert on Mormonism.

We used to both live in San Diego. And I called him up one day and said, hey, I need to take you to lunch. And I had to go to my lunch.

He goes, OK. So I drove 40 minutes to where he was and picked him up. He went to a restaurant and I forgot my wallet.

You know, it happens. So we laughed and he bought it. So now I owe him two.

And two months later, I call him up. I go, hey, dude, man, I owe you a couple of lunches. I'll come on down.

He goes, OK, great. And so I came down and I still remember them. I still remember this to this moment. I'm sitting there and getting ready to pay.

I go like that and no lie, I forgot my wallet for the second time. And I sat there and I could see the future.

I remember just pausing, going, mocking forever. Here it comes. And he looked at me and he lit up and he goes, you forgot your wallet again.

And it started instantly. So it's been a kind of a running joke. And so whenever I see

Bill McKeever or anybody who knows Bill, he's a expert on Mormonism in Utah. I just say, tell

Bill that he owes me a lunch. It's a, so buying lunches is kind of a thing. The first time I met, when you knew

I was going to be meeting Bill, you were like, hey, make sure to let him know that he owes me a lunch. Yeah, it's a running joke.

And once where it was with him at a restaurant in New Jersey, I'd get up 20 minutes early to go pay the bill.

And he'd already had it taken care of. Sure. I'll do a jerk for, you know, buying him a meal.

You notice the trend though. Matt never pays for meals. I noticed, and I remember we were at, I think it was,

I forget where it was, Wendy's or something. And I have my wallet. You go, go ahead. I'll buy yours. Great. And you had your pay watch and he moved your watch over by the thing and it pays.

And I'm like, I want to take my thing. Okay. This is how this happened. So we go to, we go to Chick -fil -A.

Matt made me promise that I wouldn't take my wallet out. And I said, no problem. I won't take my wallet.

I promise. And so he's like all happy. And I, and I take my phone and I just wave it over the thing.

I hear the ding. I put my phone away and she goes, oh, it's right here. And he paid for it. And he goes, how?

We're in this restaurant. And he, when she goes, oh, you use this, his phone. He used Apple pay.

And he goes, what? And he did it so loud. This entire restaurant is looking at him.

I mean, he never knew about Apple pay or Google pay. So, so the next. I did. I didn't know you had it on.

Nothing. And I said, I won't take anything out. And I just leaned my watch over. Yeah, jerk. Oh, man.

You know, we got to try to tie this into some racism too. It's a Jewish thing. Trying to be financially superior to Germans.

It's obviously a racist plot. Somehow. He's getting back to all the tyranny that all the

Germans put through. That's right. And embarrassing me over the air because it's a long, complicated plot.

You know, it's really bad, Jamal. I've actually called up his radio station, his radio program,

Netflix Live. And I call in and I just go, why do you call me a jerk? You have to explain to his own audience.

I know, I mean, it's such a real quick, but I had one of the comments of John Brown.

Yeah. I mentioned Eric Mason earlier and I'm thankful for him leaving the comment. Because sometimes, you know, you're thinking about something and then you just lose it.

Like you just lose it when you talk about something. So Eric Mason, he's a founder and pastor of Epiphany Fellowship in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania.

That's where he's from. And I got a good friend of mine who lives in Pennsylvania. It was like, it killed me that I couldn't remember the state.

But yeah, so he's from Philly at Epiphany Fellowship. Now, you know, he's a

Christian brother. Like you listen to a lot of his sermons, gospel centered and everything else. It's just when it came to this, when it comes to this issue,

I got serious qualms with him, you know, and his teaching. Just when it comes to the issue of a wokeness, with being woke and everything else, because what he says in his book, he talks about how he draws his premise for being woke from W .E

.B. Du Bois, who was an atheist. And so the whole thing is based off of the premise of that.

Basically, black people have this double consciousness. And but when Eric Mason comes up, he says, well, because he's a

Christian, he adds Christ, Christ consciousness. So you got to have all three.

And in Christ consciousness, that's just the anchor that holds it, that holds everything else, that keeps everything else in place.

But to truly be woke, you must possess all three levels of consciousness. You know, in this in this double consciousness that W .E

.B. Du Bois talked about was that black people, it's only for black people. He didn't mention this for all people. This is just black people being aware of, you know, how your view about society and the fact that you and then how who you are as a black person.

So you got to be aware of those two things. And that's your consciousness. And then what

Eric Mason says is, well, you got to be a Christian to be truly woke. You must be a Christian and have that.

You know, and so, yeah, it's a lot, you know, it's all I don't like to really handle him like that, but it's like when he came out with the book, it was very controversial, you know, and all this stuff.

So this thing of Christ consciousness, I mean, it's a new age term and it's a mysticism term, not that he's guilty of that in it, but when they say the

Christ consciousness, that's really disturbing. Someone should know not to use a phrase like that because it can inadvertently affirm a concept that people don't know by that term.

But that's just a point. But yeah, you know, one of the things that I've been concerned about is

I don't believe that there's different races. I'm serious. I don't believe there's different races. Just one race and a different forms, different colors, different heights, different whatever.

And that's it. In fact, two of my daughters are attracted to black guys. I don't care because what

I care about is, are you Christian? Do you love the Lord? Are you going to be a good protector and provider?

And are you a man of integrity? That's all I care about. And that's how it's supposed to be. So I don't see someone as black or Asian, though I certainly notice that.

I just, you know, in my head, no, there's one race. We're all, our ancient father and mother are the same.

It's Adam and Eve. We're all made in the image of God and that's how it is. And that's how it needs to be.

And with that, because I take blaming others for our situation.

I got plenty of people to blame for my situation being as bad as it is in some areas.

And I'll tell you, not a single one of them was white, was a black or Asian. The ones that gave me by far the most difficulty in ministry and all kinds of things, without exception, has always been white people.

Does that mean that I hate them? No, it happens. You know, it is move on.

Leave it alone and go. Yeah, I'm sorry to wrap up, you know, wrap up the show. Here's the thing that we see.

You know, there's a couple of factors that I hope you guys pick up. One, there's one race there.

We are the human race. The difference, the genetic difference between any human, you know, from Jamal to me is 0 .092.

There's a lot more with you guys, but you're in there. We're talking about the same race, okay?

So the fact is that we're a single race. The other thing that I hope you pick up on throughout the show was the fact that they have a different definition.

The social justice warriors have a different definition of justice. It's not the justice that we see from God.

It's a justice that says that if you have something that I want and I can make an excuse for having it, you should give it to me.

Okay? But that system never works because everybody wants what everyone else has. And once they have it,

I mean, a great example, Bernie Sanders was always against millionaires until he became a millionaire.

And then he was against billionaires. I mean, and it was one of the funniest lines from Michael Bloomberg, right?

That's the fact. Here, you got a guy that's totally into this stuff. Oh, millionaires are bad until he becomes one.

Then billionaires are the bad people. That's the problem. It's a system of justice that is possible to work because it's not based on an objective standard.

It is based on a subjective standard. What we know as scripture is that all justice is based on an objective standard.

That standard is the character and nature of Almighty God. That's the standard that everything is judged by as being just or unjust.

And so that is the standard we go by. Jamal, I appreciate you coming on.

Folks, go and check out the Prescribed Truth Podcast. You don't want to miss an episode.

Go back and binge all the old ones that you missed because he's got some great stuff on Martin Luther King Jr.

You know, and some of this woke stuff that we're talking about, other issues, the one we referred to where he went into the stats, check out karm .org.

Who's the guy, Jamal, who's the guy that runs karm .org? What's that guy's name? Matt Slick.

Slick, yeah. Would you trust a guy named Reverend Slick? I mean, seriously, folks,

Reverend Slick, here I am. I mean, just, you know, it's got to be a radio name.

It happens to be a radio name also. So check out Matt Slick Live as well. You can go to Striving Fraternity.

Check out my podcast as well, The Wrap Report. I don't even remember what

I have coming up this week, but I'm sure it's good. I think I recorded it already.

But so check out the different podcasts we have at the Christian Podcast Community. If you want to check those out, just go to christianpodcastcommunity .org,

check them out there. So thanks for coming on. Thanks for those of you who watched. I hope this was helpful for you.

We're not sure what we're doing next week. We do have a couple things planned that may be a series.

And I'm not sure whether we're going to get Matt involved in this. It might, you know, it might be good, but we got to see.

But that we're still working some things out, but we do have some, it's going to be an interesting interview that we have, that someone requested.