The Woke Brotha with Jamal Bandy

There's no sense in having a conversation with someone who just can't even recognize the statement that babies exist. Give me a break. We're never going to get anywhere. He's not having a normal conversation.

We're just going to move on to something else. It's ridiculous. He's not interested in a conversation. No. No. He's just interested in arguing. I am interested in a conversation. That's all. I just know.

I just trapped him. Find out. I already decided. As soon as I said, how is he going to answer this one? Babies exist. If he gives me a hard time, we're just moving on. You know? All right.

John, you had something you wanted to say? I was going to say, he doesn't want to have a conversation. You asked him a very simple question. Do babies exist? And he has to dodge that? Seriously. Well, I mean, if you want to be very strict.

No, it's a simple question. It's true. It's true. It's simple. It's simple. It's a simple freaking question. Come on. John's a little fired. I'm not going to lose. I'm just going to lose. I'm just I'm tired of this.

I'm tired of these games. Who's your first anti-babies? What? I'll kid you not, man. You guys will do anything you can to deny God. You will do anything. You will do anything to deny God. You guys are idiots.

I don't deny God. I believe in God. So, tell us what you really think, John. Oh!

He's saying it. I'm telling you, man. I just— I'm buying into Matt's moral trickery. All right. There's no babies!

This is Apologetics Live. To answer your questions, your host, from Striving for Eternity Ministries, Andrew Rapoport.

Opening Banter and the “Babies Exist” Clip

All right, we are live, Apologetics Live. I'm your host, Andrew Rapoport. I love that clip. It doesn't matter. I could be in the worst mood, I'd listen to that clip, and it's just great. Our guest apologist, Jamal Bandy, requested that.

I gave him the choice. The guys that are in the backstage, I said, should we play that clip? He gave a head nod since he's the guest where we played it for his honor. So John is in here in the backstage, so he's just shaking his head as we're listening to that.

But that is a real clip from a previous Apologetics Live. You never know what you might hear. So we're saying that is epic. It was. Yeah, that was an epic, you know, an epic episode. So welcome to Apologetics Live.

This is something we do every Thursday night to answer your questions, challenges, anything you may have for us tonight. We're going to talk about, well, pretty heated topics some days, but it is the issue of being woke.

But before we get there, I look, I just got to play this. Let me just share this with you. Oh, I got to probably be in a different browser. So we'll just move that over and we will play soon. I know as soon as I'm going to trigger people as soon as I share this, I realize that.

But all right, well, you ready to be triggered? Oh, John left. He must be triggered already. Here we go. Look at that. That is one of the scariest faces, I'm just telling you. We want to listen to what she had to say.

I think this is today. I could be wrong, but she had some, how do we say this? Can we say words of wisdom for those of us who would like to get out of our house and, you know, maybe go to work? Well, let's hear the brilliance of AOC.

There's a lot that we could be doing right now, but ultimately the, I think when we talk about this idea of reopening society, we'd like to work only in America. Does the president, when the president tweets about liberation, does he mean go back to work?

Okay, let's just stop. Everywhere in the world, people like to work. And when you're restricted from going to work, then yes, that's exactly what liberation means. Removing restrictions, we're being restricted.

We can't work. AOC doesn't understand the English language, maybe, but she has even better brilliance for us. You ready for this? I'm watching Jamal's face in the background. It's hilarious. It's going to be fun to see his reaction to this when he comes in.

You know, have this discussion about going back or reopening. I think a lot of people should just say, no, we're not going back to that. We're not going back to working 70 hour weeks just so that we could put food on the table and not even feel any sort of semblance of security in our lives.

Well there you go.

That's what we should do. No, Samuel, AOC for you, ladies and gentlemen, wonderful brilliance of AOC. So she thinks we should stop going to work to put food on our table. How exactly is the food going to get on your table?

Now I got news for you. I'm willing to guess that if she was still working her previous job, she wouldn't be making any money and she'd be wanting to go to work to put food on her table because I don't know too many bartenders that get paid to sit at home.

Yes, that is her brilliance of a career that got her to be an expert on all things economics. Yeah. So AOC says we should just stop going to work. How's the food going to get on the table then, AOC? Not all of us got elected by some, I guess, pretty dumb representatives or people that voted for you because they voted you in.

And so she got elected and now she's got a paycheck for life. She never has to work. She's always going to get a paycheck and health care for life. But she wants to tell you as you sit at home, you should just stay sitting there because somehow food is going to magically just come and land right in front of you so that you can eat.

That's not the way the world works. That's just not. So what we're going to do tonight, I wanted to I want to do some things. And if anyone wants to come in, just go to ApologeticsLive .com and you could join us in the room and ask any questions that we have that you have.

Give us any challenges that you that you may have. But before we bring in our guest apologist, I think the thing we should do here is just let's see if we share screen again, because this is what we're going to talk about.

And I was thinking we just play at least a couple of these outstanding videos. We'll start with his latest one. A woke brother exposes racist virus.

A Woke Brother, COVID-19, and the Logic of Wokeness

Oh, I know it's been a while, but I'm back with some more information coming to you straight from a woke brother. See, now this pandemic has happened, this racist pandemic called COVID -19, a strain of the coronavirus has come and it's plaguing our communities, especially our black and brown communities.

You don't believe me? Look at this tweet here from my sister, my sister Alexandra Cortez. She is letting you know what the truth is, because y 'all acting like y 'all sleep. Y 'all act like y 'all know what's going on, but y 'all don't want to see.

But I see, I know. Matter of fact, let me let me get some because y 'all y 'all ain't practicing social distancing. Y 'all trying to kill us. So let me put me see y 'all. Y 'all trying to make us sick with this here COVID -19 thinking y 'all fooling somebody.

You ain't fooling me and you ain't fooling Alexandra and those like us. Look, it is deaths are disproportionately spiking in black and brown communities. Why? Because the chronic toll of redlining, environmental racism, wealth gap, et cetera.

Your money, the fact you got money is causing us to die from coronavirus. That's because y 'all got the money in environmental racism. See, even the environment can be racist. Y 'all putting us in these neighborhoods and stuff.

And you know, it's because we are certain neighborhoods that we are susceptible to more spread of this virus. It's because of y 'all. Y 'all white folks. Y 'all hate us. Y 'all don't want nobody to know.

But we know, we know that we're going to expose you. This virus is exposing it. It is exposing it. Like my sister said, inequality is a comorbidity. I don't know what that word means, but it sounds like it's saying that y 'all racist.

COVID relief should be drafted with a lens of reparations. We still waiting. We still waiting. And then Trump said he going to give us a stimulus package. Hey, I'll take it. But ain't that the reparations we want?

We want more. It need to be more because y 'all are disproportionately killing us all. I can't hardly breathe behind this thing about the past South, but it's because of y 'all racism. Y 'all making me have to wear this mask.

Well, this shirt, I put on a mask. Because see, ain't no more masks at the store. Y 'all even took all the masks. See, y 'all made sure y 'all brought all the masks up so the black folk couldn't get them.

That's OK. That's OK, because we're going to survive. We're going to make it like our people before us did. See, y 'all thinking, y 'all, y 'all thinking, y 'all, this has been another message from a woke brother.

Jamal, all right, so we got to stop that. So, OK, we got to tell the story. So there's someone that's so James Ali is. Where did you find this guy? James has got to go to to prescribe truth on YouTube.

Look up the prescribe the woke brother episodes. It's a whole playlist. There's seven of them now. Well, actually, six. One is you just responding to me playing it. But I figure that's a good way to explain what what a wokeness is.

I don't know who this prescribed truth guy is, but he'd be finding my videos and get me to come on his show to tell y 'all what the truth is. Y 'all just try to make fun of my sister. Hey, Cortez, let me tell y 'all something.

That food going to come to our doorstep because of the white people going to bring us the food. It will serve us the black and brown communities because that is what it's about. And don't worry about the money that she's making.

She can make her money because that's a part of her. I guess that would be brownness. Yeah, because she's yeah. Her brownness. That's the new blackness. But she's not that brown. She's brown enough.

Oh, this is going to be so hard to keep a straight face today. So you had done you had done these a series of them. You start you had the first one you did was a message to a woke brother. And you had some reaction to that.

This was this was one of when I first got to hear of your podcast. And I think the very first episode was you do it before you did the second one. And you were you were telling about how some people didn't know you were you were doing a parody and they took you serious.

And people were upset with you for for misrepresenting wokeness.

Just tell about that first. Oh, yes. I call heat from both sides. Those those who know me were saying that I was over exaggerating and saying I'm mischaracterizing the woke agenda and woke idea. But then those who didn't know me, I thought I was racist.

I had a guy literally come on my YouTube channel and like curse me. He's like, you need to get up and do it and work the homework. And I was like, oh, calm down, man. Watch it. Watch the rest.

And you and I even had we had a guy, one of the guys that's a fellow podcaster on a Christian podcast community had his his web developer went and was developing the website and saw a Christian podcast community and wants to go check out to see who's associated with it and found your YouTube channel and clicked on one of those episodes.

And he calls up. He's like, you can't be hanging with these guys.

This is the only bad news.

Totally believe in it. You know that that tripped me out so bad. I think I happened to come. Yeah, in fact, yeah, I happened to come on and you was talking about that. And I was like, wow. Or I got a lot of bringing it up and I was like, wow, that is so funny because because it was I mean, it's so I try to be just a little bit overly to the point where, you know, you should know is a parody.

But because the idea is so there, it seems like I'm for real.

You know, it actually is believe when you when you listen to something and you listen to AOC, it could be believable because I mean, she actually I bet if we sent those videos to AOC, she'd probably retweet it and think it's real.

We should try that as an experiment. OK, so there may be folks that don't know what it means to be woke. So let us let's start there. And again, folks, if anyone wants to come in, whether you want to whether you want to ask questions about being woke and social justice or if you want to talk about anything else, just go to Apologize Live dot com and just join us and ask ask away.

But, Jamal, what? Well, first off, you should introduce yourself. I should have started with that. Introduce yourself, your podcast and and then, you know, explain what wokeness is.

So what's going on, everybody? I'm Jamal Bandy, host of Prescribed Truth Podcast, also host a YouTube channel called Prescribed Truth. Basically, what I seek to do is just distribute the truth. To this culture, you know, from the from a biblical worldview, biblical and reform worldview.

And yeah, so that's why I'm at YouTube. I start off YouTube and I came into podcast. I actually made it one year in podcasting so far. So I'm really thankful for that. Yeah, so woke is being alert. If you have somebody give you a definition of what it is to be woke, being alert to injustice, just on a simple scale, being alert so that you're aware.

All right, because you think about when you're awake, you're aware. And when you're asleep, you're not. So those of us who are asleep because we're not aware of the injustices that are happening. But those who are awake, they are aware of the injustices, but specifically against black and brown people.

All right, so not just injustice, not injustice in general, but injustice against black and brown people. And so, yeah. So now we're not talking about in the past, but today, you know, but as in today.

And so there's a lot of debate. And this is why a lot of us are accused of being sleep, because a lot of us would disagree that there are certain injustices that we would all we would agree that there are injustices that do exist.

But in the degree of which a lot of those in that area would call injustice, we would disagree. And so, yeah, I did a few videos critiquing Eric Mason. He came out with a book called Woke Church. And a few people did a critique of that book.

A .D. Robles is one. Edward Ramirez from the Proverbial Life. He did one just critiquing the book. And I did a couple of videos on it as well. And also did a review of his interview on, I can't think of the name of the podcast now.

He did an interview basically discussing his book and talking about what woke is and displaying some of the injustice that we're given. And it was just injustices as in like what the culture is doing to us.

And so one of the injustices he gave, and I'll just give an example, and I'll let it go for now, is fatherlessness. Fatherlessness in our homes and in Black and brown communities is an injustice. But it's an injustice not on the father who left, or whatever the case may be, but it's an injustice of the state and on the government, white people.

That's one. You know, so just to name one there. One that I actually had to respond to was when he talked about there's an injustice when someone goes in to get a loan and they can't get it. So if a Black man goes to get a loan and he can't get a loan, then that's an injustice because a white man can go in there and get a loan.

And it's like, there's so many holes in that. You know, you could take a Mack truck through. But anyway.

Wokeness, Injustice, and the Logic of Victimhood

So what we end up seeing right off the bat, it starts actually with its conclusion, right? Wokeness is begging the question because you assume the thing you want to prove. You assume that there is racism and every white is racist.

And you assume that every Black is going to be treated with injustice. I mean, there's plenty of whites that don't get loans. But yeah, there are. Yeah, I know some. Yeah. So the reality, though, is that it's not because of color of skin that people aren't getting loans.

Typically, it's and actually here's an interesting thing that happened under Bill Clinton. They how the wokeness, you know, can affect things. The argument was, as you just mentioned, the example, it was said that it was discriminatory to not give loans to African-Americans that if they didn't get loans, somehow that was some injustice.

And therefore, the banks were forced by the government to give loans to people, regardless of color, that couldn't pay them back, because somehow if they couldn't get a loan, it was discriminatory. And so the banks being forced by the government to do loans had to start playing games with how are they going to make this work?

Because many of those loans, people weren't paying back. They were defaulting on it and the banks were losing money on it. And so the government had an answer. They created they had their Fannie Mae, Fannie Mac.

Maybe people are familiar with that. And then back in just before Barack Obama became president, toward the end of George Bush's term, we had the crash of this whole scheme that the mortgage companies were running.

But who forced them to run them? It was really the ideology of wokeness, of the idea that somehow people are discriminatory. Bill Clinton actually had a number of things. They argued it was discriminatory for people in there was a classified lab where they had technology or like our nuclear technology.

And there was a Chinese spy who got into get basically got into areas. He wasn't allowed to get to. And the reason being is Bill Clinton found out that when you go into a classified lab where people are read into different departments, you had to have badges that are color coded so that people knew whether you belong in that room or not.

And that was somehow discriminatory. And they removed that. And here this Chinese national was able he he was able to get a job in in for in the first place. But he shouldn't have been in the rooms he was in.

But because they had no way of identifying he wasn't supposed to be there. He was able to steal some of our technology and bring it back to China. That's how wokeness works. You know, so this is there are people that take this very serious.

And I know I mean, I, I have someone who's related to someone in my church that is very much a social justice warrior. And so and maybe I'll have him on sometime and we're gonna we'll have a very entertaining discussion.

But there's people that take this very serious. You get attacked if you in your position of not taking it serious. Why do you think that is?

Well, one, it should be common sense because I'm black. So it should become a sense that I take it seriously. I should. And if I'm not taking it seriously, because obviously, I don't care about black people.

I don't care about my own people. You know, I'm sold out, you know, so to speak. And that's unfortunate, you know, as if it's so much in that, man, like, we have to assume, like you said this earlier, having to assume that everybody is being racist, that every situation is because of racism.

It's that's that's exhausting. This is also but also is the fact that it's not built on any truth. It's assumptions, you know, and black people. It's interesting because we don't like to be assumed upon.

Like if I go out, I don't want nobody assumed I'm all make it though because I have dreadlocks. I don't want nobody to assume that I'm automatically if I'm looking some kind of way, I don't want nobody to think that, you know, I'm I'm I'm hood or, you know, a person in it.

I assume you're a thug because you are. What's wrong with that? Well, you got to get it.

You can't tell everybody that you talk about this before we start the show. Don't beat me up, bro. But it's like we don't like that. We don't like that ourselves. But yet it's OK to assume this about another person, the other human being, you know, because they say, well, you know, we've been treated this way all our lives and all this time.

And I haven't been treated that way. I'm well familiar with with history. I understand what happened back then. But it is why I think the beauty comes in and knowing what the truth is concerning the gospel, who God is, like all of this comes back to it.

Our presuppositions come back to it. It's like if you know what the Bible says about men's hearts, then it's understandable what happened back then. It's like, OK, this was a time where people were being this way.

And there may be somebody today who is racist and everything else. But where there is racism, where there is sin, we deal with it. But I can't just assume somebody's racist because you can't see racism.

It's experienced, you know, so I can't look at another person and say that they're racist just because of the color of their skin, you know, just like somebody can't just say I'm a thug just because I'm black.

OK, but one thing that you brought out in some of these videos, right, is the fact that well, there's a couple of things. One is the fact that people are preconditioned to assume everyone's racist. So they're looking for it.

And because they're looking for it, I mean, you use the example earlier in the show of someone getting a loan and someone not getting a loan. Well, you didn't get the loan only because of this one factor.

There could be a lot of factors. I mean, I've seen this recently with the president, the presidential briefings. You had a reporter who there was the surgeon general who happens to be African-American, and he's talking, trying to say, hey, go talk, call your parent, call your family.

Right. He used terms of endearment that he uses within his own family. And he called he referred to his grandmother as Big Mama. So later on, they asked two questions. They asked the question of Trump.

And it was an African-American reporter. And she asked Trump about why, knowing that the African-American community is suffering from the coronavirus more than any other. And they just got done going through all the facts that they're having that because of the fact that they had people who were basically because of pre-existing conditions, overweight, diabetes, high blood pressure are the three top ones that I think it's like 94 of the people that have a coronavirus where they have the side effects, they have pre-existing conditions.

And it's usually one of those three. OK, overweight's number one, diabetes, number two, high blood pressure is number three. All right. So at 94%. And so she was asking the question, why are you not doing enough for the African-American community?

I would like I want to, like, jump through the screen and be like, what are you expecting to build a time machine, go back in time to help people to start eating healthy? I mean, Michelle Obama tried that and she's African-American and it didn't work.

Like, how'd that go? Right. I mean, so the assumption was like, you know, the knowledge is there is a behavior that caused people to end up having issues. Now, not everyone has because there's some things that are genetic.

But the very next question she asks was to the surgeon general. I mean, like within seconds. And she's saying that him referring to Big Mama was racist. And he's like, that's what I call my grandmother.

It was. It's like. But then she was saying, how could he blame people's behavior for them getting the coronavirus? And he was just like, because a lot of it is a lot of it is behavior issues. And so the next day he was a racist and he's African-American.

How quickly do these people will they turn on someone that doesn't toe the party line? Oh, just like that.

Just like that. So there's two things you mentioned that I want to talk about. The first thing was the assumption of everyone is being racist or it's assumed upon them. And that's one thing that got me really upset and which actually started me doing the Woke Brother videos because I was just frustrated.

And you have some you have people like it came in at one who goes on to the Sparrows conference and she's talking. She has this congregation of women, you know, mixed crowd. And she's telling these women, these white women in the crowd that they need to admit that they are racist, that they that they have this this white fragility.

They need to admit it. They need to admit it and then embrace blackness. They need to renounce their whiteness and embrace blackness, you know. And so but then women who started walking out, people started like women started leaving and she accredited to being them being racist, you know, because they didn't want to hear no more of that foolishness.

You know, that made me upset because like, wow. So because a person in their mind, they self examine their heart and they're saying, OK, I know I know I love my my African-American sister. I love all my sisters.

I got to admit to you that I'm somehow racist and I'm wrong if I don't. Yeah, I'm a leave to, you know, but, you know, that was crazy for her to say. And she mentioned how it was that was pregnant African-American women in the room who were in danger of losing their children because of the stress of being in that space, you know, and I was like, wow.

OK, wow. You know, so that was one of the things I said, just having to make people assume this upon themselves, not whether or not it is true, but to make them admit to something that's not true and then tell them to repent of it.

So now we tell them we tell them to repent of a sin that they haven't even committed, bearing false witness. You know, and that's wild. And then now with the coronavirus was very interesting because in the beginning when it started, you got black people saying, oh, this is God's judgment on white people because it ain't affecting black people.

You know, it ain't affecting us. We're special. But then black people started getting affected. And it was like, oh, it's a racist virus. They're coming. They try to knock us out of here. And like the government, the government created a virus to get us out of here.

Well, you know, this is this is what I saw. I saw this in with Katrina, where they tried to blame George W. Bush for because of his hatred for blacks. They said that's why he the the levees broke. They you know, some were even saying that that Bush came in with dynamite and blew up the levees to wipe out the African-Americans.

And, you know, and then you sit and you look at the facts and go, wait a minute. Bush contacted both the mayor of New Orleans and the governor. And tried to say, look, this is bad. It's a category five, you know, declared emergency.

So we can bring in. You know, to bring in the, you know, FEMA. And so someone's saying your voice is low. I don't know if you can up your ear, but I can may boost a little bit when you're talking.

If your boosts don't work, I'll try to turn up on my end.

So, yeah, I got you boost as much as I can. All right. Donald Jacks just says you have a manly voice. That's all. Oh, thank you. No, I've been looking forward to this for the laughs alone. So what ended up happening was, you know, Bush came in.

He activated there. It FEMA has 48 hours from the declaration of an emergency until. Until they they get on scene, Bush actually activated them. But he can only activate them to the point of sending. So they were activated 24 hours before.

But they couldn't do anything until a state of emergency. That's the way our country works. No, liberals don't understand this, but states have rights. I mean, we're seeing that Trump is not trumping that he's he's working with you like that.

He got there. But, you know, he's working letting the governors do even when he disagrees with what the governors are doing, they have the right to do it. And that's the way this country works. And so he couldn't Bush couldn't come in.

And they actually had buses that were sitting there. They could have bust everyone out. They didn't the mayor didn't want to do it. And then when it got bad, who they blame? Oh, after the fact, oh, it's Bush's fault.

You see the same thing here. They're already changing this. To to be something that they're saying that they're they're saying that that Trump is doing this because he hates blacks. He's trying to wipe out the blacks.

He's trying to he stopped immigration. He's trying to and he's always been against immigration. And it's like he's always been against legal immigration, not legal immigration. And so this is this is how I think this stuff becomes it really is becoming, unfortunately, a fabric of some of our society, because there are people who are constantly looking through this lens that everything is them being victimized.

So how much of this whole woke movement deals with the issue of victimization and being seen as a victim?

The whole thing is interesting. Eric Mason pointed out in his book, I quote, I'm a paraphrase this, but it's from W .E .B. Du Bois saying that every black person battles with two natures. And this is in this in these two natures, one is how to basically the fact that I am black and what that means, also how people see me as being black.

How that affects people, how people look at me and everything else because I am black and therefore black people deal with this. And this is actually part of being woke like this, like you can't be woke without having this realization.

So this part of someone, how people look at me is the victim part, you know, how I'm treated, how I'm handled and everything else is a victim. So if I'm mistreated, then it has to be because, you know, you don't like my skin, you don't like the fact of, you know, my hair, you know, and everything else about me that makes me who I am.

You don't like that. And that's why you treat me the way you do. That's why I may not can get the job. You know, my mom is my mom is black. Therefore, she named me Jamal or she named me or she may name a sister, Shaniqua.

And because her name is Shaniqua, she can't get the job. It's such a such place, you know, because she didn't name her Amber or Becky or whatever, you know, so all of that. So you have to recognize that.

So everything comes as being a victim. Now, if I do get the job, that means you must have recognized the fact that, you know, you need to downplay your whiteness and, you know, embrace this blackness.

So there we have it. And that ends up leading into this whole idea that there is a white privilege. I think everyone's has heard this. The idea that somehow just being white gives you privilege. It's kind of interesting.

My kids, when they went to college, they, you know, they applied for financial aid. And so you mark off, you know, you have all this, you know, these different minority groups that you can mark off. You know, are you African-American?

Are you American, Indian? You know, are you this, that? And I didn't see one. I didn't see one for Jewish, by the way. I just noticed that, you know, but they didn't have one for Asian. And so I wrote in, I chose other and I wrote in Asian-American because my wife is from Hong Kong.

They're Asian. Actually, it got rejected because Asians are not a minority. And I went, how are they not a minority? Like they're not a large number of the United States population. And this was the answer I got back.

That's not how you define minority. Minority is defined by having privilege or being able to have privileges and have not having a good enough education. Asians have a good enough education that they don't, they don't need the scholarships.

And I was like, what? Like, so, so right there is a, it is a black privilege.

Yeah, we got black privilege, but at the same time, it's so, like, that's disheartening. I mean, for those who embrace the woke idea, like this has to, like, offend you in some kind of way that people think that less of you growing up.

Like your school, so you learned nothing in school. Therefore, you're always forever held back. You didn't learn the same arithmetic. You didn't learn how to speak. You didn't learn how to read like the white person did.

You know, saying that the white, the white kid got the better education, you know, something you did. So they learn how to read better than you. So they can say onomatopoeia and you can't.

You know, they probably wait, wait, wait, wait. I can't say that.

You can't say I can't spell it. Forget it. So anyway, it's because of the school I went to.

White Privilege, Equal Outcomes, and Economic Reality

Yeah, well, look, let's let's let's be realistic. There is certain advantages that certain people have. You know, if you have someone that has a lot of money, they can afford a better education for their children.

They can put them in a private school because they have that money. So there is going to be that advantage. But that advantage does not mean that somehow all people that are a certain skin color have that advantage.

I think Barack Obama had a pretty good education. So did Michelle Obama.

You know, people put things in place for their families. So like you work hard. I mean, it's what it should show that if you work hard, then you can reap the fruit of that labor. So or your kids will, your grandkids will.

And you've seen it a lot. You know, a lot of people say like people were born with like a silver spoon and stuff like that. And that may be. But how did they get that silver spoon? How did it happen? You know, somebody worked hard.

Somebody has something. You know, nothing was just get anything about our country. Nothing was really given to people. You know, they had to work for it. You know, everyone had to work for it. You know, now we get into talking about Jim Crow and everything else in the past and people's racism and all that stuff.

That's a whole nother story. We can talk about all of that. People being held back, literally told they can't read. They should not read. And if a white person was caught trying to teach a black person how to read, then they were flawed.