F4F | Prasch and Burn!

Opening Thoughts and Health Update

Welcome to another installment of Fighting for the Faith. My name is Chris Rosebro. I am your servant in Jesus Christ. This is the channel that compares what people are saying in the name of God to the Word of God.

Quick note, those of you who've been praying for me, I truly appreciate it. A little bit of a note, I've injured my lower back and had to go to the hospital last Saturday, and those of you who follow me on social media know how that has all worked out, and I can say I'm on the men's.

I don't need surgery right now. I've been prescribed physical therapy, and there isn't a moment in my life where I do not have back pain right now, so I would appreciate your continued prayers, but things are generally getting better, and so this video is my attempt to try to get back into the saddle.

I guess with a bad back pun intended is a good way of saying it. So I wanted to thank you all for your prayers and continued prayer for my health, that the Lord is being gracious and merciful to me along those lines.

The Mark of the Beast and the Eschatology Behind the Controversy

All of that being said, let's kind of set the table for our topic today. For years, people have been wanting me to weigh in on John MacArthur saying it's okay for us to take the mark of the beast, and people have been out there trying to get me to weigh in on this.

This is the video where I'm gonna weigh in on it, but we're gonna weigh in on this using the research and putting together a lot of data as to why this is even a topic right now, because the reality is this, is that when it comes to the mark of the beast and things like this, we're talking about eschatology, and ultimately this is going to come down to a debate regarding how to interpret the book of Revelation.

Now, I'll lay this out on the table. I'm amillennial, which I think is a terrible name for the eschatology that I believe in, because basically the idea is that when you look at the book of Revelation, I believe you make an error when you exegete the text, when you exegete it linearly, and when you take the numbers and you make them literal numbers.

Everything in the book of Revelation is symbolic, and as a result of it, the book of Revelation, as I understand it exegetically, is to be understood cyclically. There are at least three to five times that the world ends in the book of Revelation.

It's not a linear book, and as a result of it, the number for the thousand-year reign of Christ is a symbolic number. The number regarding the years of the Tribulation, the time, times, and half a time, all of those numbers are to be understood symbolically, as well as the mark of the beast.

There's something about that. Now, that being the case, that doesn't mean that it doesn't preclude a global government under the man of lawlessness or things like that. It doesn't preclude that. It's just that you'll note that amillennialists don't try to, we don't do the game of pin the tail on the Antichrist.

It just doesn't work that way. Instead, we look at Revelation 12 and 13 as actually having significance and meaning for our lives, even today. And even today, if that means that Christ isn't going to return for another 1 ,500 years or not show up until the year 2724, and by the way, I'm just saying that number not because that's a prediction.

I don't want anyone to think that, but we'll kind of weigh this all out. And so, as it relates to John MacArthur and the mark of the beast and the controversy surrounding that, you cannot discuss that apart from the end times doomsday narrative of a particular group that many have labeled to be a cult or cult-like.

And included in this group, this cult-like group, I'm gonna call it a cult-like group, is going to be Servus Christi, otherwise known as Joshua Chavez, who we'll refer to moving forward as Lydia. I know that that's not respectful, but the reality is this, he's smarter than this, he should know better.

And the reality is that he's a thug, he acts like a cult member himself, and he is an acolyte and an altar boy for Jacob Prash. And when you see what I'm going to show you here, we're gonna put everything in its context, and we're gonna ask ourselves this question.

Why is Jacob Prash, why is Lydia Chavez, Servus Prashy, why are they attacking men like Todd Friel, Phil Johnson, Justin Peters, why are they attacking Doreen Virtue, why are they attacking John MacArthur?

In fact, everything about their eschatology, which isn't biblical eschatology, it's so weird, we're gonna have to rename it. We're gonna call it Prashcatology. Prashcatology. Once you understand the narrative, then you'll understand why Lydia Chavez and Jacob Prash obsess.

And I mean, we're talking like shift levels of obsession with John MacArthur. And you could literally say they suffer from John MacArthur derangement syndrome, and the reason why they do is the false narrative that they've constructed regarding John MacArthur and the Mark of the Beast and all this other stuff.

And they're sitting there going, you're confusing me, Roseboro. I know, I'm confusing myself because this stuff is that confusing, but we're gonna spend some time working all of this out, and when we get to the end of it, you will see for yourself what it is that we are dealing with.

And when you see all of that play out, then you're gonna go, oh, that's the reason why this John MacArthur thing is even a thing at all. It has everything to do with the fact that this cult-like group, and I'm gonna call it a cult-like group for this reason.

Usually when you say that a group is a cult, you're saying that they're not Christians. For instance, the Jehovah's Witnesses, that's a cult, and Jehovah's Witnesses are not Christians. Mormons, that's a cult.

They are not Christians. So when it comes to the Prashians, and that's the best way I could put it, when it comes to the Prashians, they behave like a cult in that they lie, they deceive, they have a special narrative, theological, eschatological narrative that they hang on to, and they anathematize anyone who disagrees with their narrative or knowingly undermines it.

So I fully expect a hit piece from Lydia Chavez and Jacob Prash at this point against me for daring to show their narrative to be false. But if you will take the time to walk through this with me, and we're gonna do this in phases, in chapters if you would, if you take the time to walk through this with me, do so with an open mind, looking at the evidence, then you will see that the problem here is not John MacArthur.

The problem is Jacob Prash and his followers, men like Lydia Chavez, Joshua Lydia Chavez, and others who buy into this weird end-times, doomsday narrative that we're gonna call Prashcatology. And Scripture does not require me to embrace Prashcatology.

It doesn't require me to do that at all. And it doesn't make you a Christian if you do, and doesn't make you a Christian if you don't, is the best way I can put it. So all that being said, that's our setup for today, and let's go ahead and let's get the the desktop up.

Jacob Prasch's End-Times Deception Narrative

And this is Jacob Prash, and what we're gonna do here is we're gonna spend some time in a teaching that he gave not that long ago, and the name of it is Antichrist in Cover-Up. Antichrist in Cover-Up.

And here we're gonna see Jacob Prash laying out their Prashcatological narrative regarding what I will refer to as the mother of all of all deceptions, you know, the mother of all deceptions, and that is that apparently the Antichrist spirit has come up with a the the most exquisite deception designed to deceive you into taking the mark of the beast.

And when you hear the narrative, then you'll understand why men like Joshua Lydia Chavez and Prash and others, they obsess with and suffer from John MacArthur derangement syndrome. So let's let Jacob Prash set this up for us, shall we, and let's kind of listen as he will explain to us what's really going on right now in these end times.

Here we go.

Many, many times that the overriding sign of the return of Christ was and.

Will be perpetration of deception against the elect. Okay, so in this, I don't have a problem with this, the scripture talks about this very clearly. In fact, when Jesus is asked about the end times, first thing he says, don't let anyone deceive you.

So Prash is correct that, you know, one of the big signs, harbingers of the imminent return of Christ, is growing deception and.

Apostasy. Totally agree. Wars, yes, rumors of wars, yes, famines, yes, pestilence, yes, earthquakes, yes, seismic activity, events of the Middle East, Jerusalem being restored, all of these things, as in Luke 21 -24, Jerusalem being trampled by the feet of the Gentiles until the time of the Gentiles is completed, all of these things are signs of the return of Christ, and more, many more.

We know this. We know that the stage is being set for Antichrist as we speak, even things like.

Coronavirus, events of the Middle East. Okay, now note here, there is an eminence regarding prashkitology and a belief that current events as it relates to COVID -19 and things currently happening in the Middle East are imminent harbingers of the return of Christ, the Rapture, the Great Tribulation, and things of this nature.

Now I will kind of circle around with that and show you that on Joshua Lydia Chavez's YouTube channel, he recently, back on April 3rd of this year, interviewed Jacob Prash, who, he kind of carries himself like a used car salesman of eschatology.

Yeah, it's... anyway, so this is weird, and the topic of discussion is, is the first seal about to be broken? Alright, so this assumes that pre-millennialism is the right way of understanding the Book of Revelation, alright, and that the first seal hasn't been broken yet.

Millennials have a totally different way of looking at the seals here. All of that being said, they really believe that we are right on the cusp, man. Like, the Antichrist, he's showing up next Thursday, and they're gonna start tattooing people on their forehead and their back of the right hand, like, you know, two weeks from Friday.

Yeah, I mean, that's kind of what's going on here, is this belief that it's right here, man, we're right here. And I'll just play this out just a little bit so you can see that. So this is Joshua Lydia Chavez and Jacob Prash.

Is.

The first seal about to be broken? Something a little bit different here today, and specifically because of the situation that we find ourselves in globally. We're living in a pretty unprecedented reality, and there's a lot of questions, less answers than there are questions, people are confused, and there's a, you know, for every one sound voice, there's a thousand chaotic ones.

And so, given Jacob's background, especially his study in eschatology,.

It's disturbing to me that Lydia Chavez thinks that Jacob Prash is a sound voice, eschatologically or theologically or any kind of ology way at all. I'll show.

You why as this episode unfolds. Eschatological events, he's authored several books concerning end times and biblical prophecy about the Antichrist, about the rapture of the Church, about apostasy and so forth, and so the goal, as always, is to root ourselves firmly in God's Word, the only rule of faith and practice.

And so we find our answers ultimately in God's Word, and that's how we're gonna make sense of the world around us. Okay, now, I mean, as good as those platitudes.

Might sound, he falls woefully short in that particular video, and that's just my exegetical opinion, and I'm not gonna get into the details in this episode of Fighting for the Faith. So, coming back to Moriel, coming back to Jacob Prash.

So, he's talking about deception, and like I pointed out, that the Prashians really believe, you know, that their prashketology is teaching them that, man, whoa, yeah, I'm pretty sure that the horses are about to start riding, and the scales are about, you know, the seals are about to be broken, and the whore is gonna start riding the beast, man, it's, like, gonna happen on the news next week.

That's kind of what's going on here. So, we continue then with his, well,.

Prashketological narrative. Brexit and so forth, all of these things, as we've been.

Saying consistently. So, COVID and Brexit all have to do with the end times. Have.

Prophetic significance. Right now, the Holy Spirit, of course, as we've always pointed out, is trying to prepare, or is preparing, the faithful bride for the return of Christ. The Holy Spirit is preparing the faithful bride for the coming of the Bridegroom that we read about in the book of Revelation and Matthew 25, and the Song of Solomon, by poetic allegory, and so forth.

The return of Jesus. The Holy Spirit is something called a shoshpan, preparing the bride for the coming of the Bridegroom. That's the work of the Holy Spirit. At the same time, the Spirit of Antichrist, as the Apostles define it, the Spirit of Antichrist, is preparing the world and the apostate church for the coming of the man of lawlessness, the anthropon enomon, the Antichrist, complete with the mark of the beast, complete with the abomination of desolation, ha'shikuts ha-mesh ha-men, ha'shikuts ha-mesh ha-men.

It's all being set up. The Holy Spirit is preparing for the coming of Christ. The Spirit of Antichrist is preparing for the Spirit of Antichrist. However, key to the strategy of Antichrist is the.

Deception of the elect. All right, now this is the part where we got to pay close attention to the Prash-catalogical narrative. And this is unique to the Prashians, all right? And this is what makes them so dangerous, because this is the narrative that they don't tell you in Lydia Chavez's videos, but this is the narrative that, how should we say, motivates their actions and decides who's going to get the focus of their attacks, okay?

Because, all right, so we got the Spirit of the Antichrist, it's all about going to, he's gonna try to deceive the elect, and he's got a special weapon for that, and Jacob Prash has figured out what that special weapon is.

Now, we've talked many times also.

About 2 Peter chapter 2, the way false teachers and false prophets operate, the way they attempt to deceive the elect, or the way Satan attempts to deceive the elect through them. It's called parasogzusin.

They put truth next to error. People who say many good and many true things, but they introduce a deadly.

Poison into the mixture. All right, so we got people who say really good stuff, but there's just a little bit of poison, okay? And by the way, this is the setup for what he believes is the truth regarding John MacArthur, Todd Friel, myself, Justin Peters, and others, all right?

Yeah, that we are part of the special elite deception that the Spirit of the Antichrist is currently using for the purpose of deceiving you so that you will take the mark of the beast. I wish I was making that up, but we continue.

Again, a three-egg omelet. Two is good, one egg is rotten. Or a couple of drops of arsenic in a glass of milk. Well, most of it's good, but the arsenic is still adequate to kill. This is the reality.

Parasogzusin. They disguise error with truth. They place truth next to error. They say many good things. A little leaven leavens the entire lump. Now, we're not talking about important yet non-fundamental issues.

Now, this is an important part here, because when we talk about the difference between false teaching and heresy, we are making a biblical distinction, because the Scriptures make a distinction between those who are in error as opposed to those who are heretics.

A heretic is not a brother in Christ. They believe a different spirit, they believe a different gospel, they believe in a different Jesus. Ultimately, they believe in a different God. And these are the categories that the New Testament gives us for determining whether or not somebody is either an erring brother or a heretic who is not a Christian brother at all.

So this is why we say the Jehovah's Witnesses are not Christians. They have a different Jesus, they have a different spirit, they have a different gospel altogether. Same with the Mormons, all right? So here, Jacob Prash is acknowledging that he at least has some understanding of this distinctive.

And one of the things that, let's just say, pre-millennials have a bad habit of doing is anathematizing people on eschatological grounds. Eschatology is not a primary, fundamental doctrine. So there are people who are true brothers and sisters in Christ who are pre-millennial.

There are people who are true brothers and sisters in Christ who are amillennial. There are, funny enough, true brothers and sisters in Christ who are pre-millennial. I mean, post-millennial in their beliefs.

And the idea here is we don't take eschatology and exalt it to the primary doctrine where we anathematize somebody for their eschatological views. And so here's what's happening here, is that Prash is recognizing this category, but he's finding a very clever way around it.

And the clever way around this important category is the Prash catalogical narrative that we're listening to that he's discovered. The discovery that John MacArthur and myself and others are part of an Antichrist spirit conspiracy to deceive people into taking the mark of the beast.

Wish I was making that up, but we continue.

There's controversy surrounding the timing of the rapture and the parousia. Godly people disagree on pre-trib, pre-wrath, mid-trib, post-trib, important issues. But it does not make the brethren who believe one particular point of view heretics.

They may be mistaken, but...

So no, he knows the distinction. It doesn't make them heretics. He recognizes this distinction.

It doesn't make them heretics. Important issues, yes, but not things we should divide over.

Not things we should divide over, okay? So he recognizes that eschatology is not something we should divide over.

They're important issues for prayerful discussion. Things like this. Amillennial, premillennial, postmillennial.

And I'm amillennial. So no, he doesn't... By his own admission, I shouldn't be thrown out of the body of Christ and considered a heretic for being amillennial.

Now, as you know, I am of the view that the rapture will not happen until the faithful Christians know who the Antichrist is. I take the scriptures literally. And I am of the view that there will...

By the way, yeah, amillennials take the scriptures literally where the scriptures are meant to be taken literally. Where they are symbolic, they understand that they're symbols.

...be a millennial reign of Christ. I'm premillennial. But I know people who love the Lord who have different views. I think they're mistaken, but they're my brethren.

Okay. So again, no, I'm referencing this because he's inconsistent in how he applies this. Because John MacArthur, he's a... John MacArthur, by the way, is premillennial, just like Jacob Prash. Yet he anathematizes MacArthur.

Why? Well, we'll see.

I'll discuss. But when it's something fundamental, something deadly, we have a problem. A little leaven leavens the whole lump. They may be 90 percent...

By the way, and I gotta point this out, something fundamental, Scripture defines what's fundamental. Different Jesus, different spirit, different gospel. Those are the fundamentals of the New Testament that put somebody outside of the faith and makes them a heretic.

Not what Jacob Prash determines is fundamental or not fundamental.

...percent right. But that 10 percent arsenic will kill. One example of this is how Antichrist is attempting to deceive the elect.

All right. So this becomes... So now this is a fundamental now. This is something that makes somebody a heretic. And this is all about how the Antichrist... By the way, what's his name? Which leader is the Antichrist right now?

What's his name? If you don't know the name of the Antichrist right now, this is all still speculation. So the Antichrist is trying to do something. So here's an example of a fundamental that makes somebody a heretic.

It is obvious that the word faith money preaches. People like Benny Hinn, who I once confronted as a false prophet, making false predictions. I confronted him eyeball to eyeball in Hawaii. Or people like Kenneth Copeland or people like Mike Bickle.

These people have made major false predictions in the name of the Lord.

Now this isn't his point. He's just pointing out, you know, one of the things I would note that dealing with the Prashians, I always enjoy it when they talk to me on social media. I remember one particular Prashian saying to me, Chris, why do you always go after the low-hanging fruit, man?

The stuff you cover is just so easy. And I was like, okay. And so I asked him. I said, well, who should I be going after instead? Answer, John MacArthur. So him mentioning Kenneth Copeland, Benny Hinn, Mike Bickle is to make the point that it's just obvious that these guys are like, you know, total deceivers.

But no, no, no. He's not about them. This is about Jacob Prash's discovery of the real weapon being used by the spirit of Antichrist right now.

According to the book of Deuteronomy and other scriptures, they are by scriptural definition proven false prophets. Those who follow such people are in rebellion against the Lord, and they are being set up for the false prophet, who will ultimately point people to Antichrist.

This is very serious.

I don't disagree, except for I'm not pre-millennial.

Very serious. This is the work of Antichrist. Well, but it's obvious.

But it's obvious. It's obvious. Anybody with a Sunday school, second grade education could figure this out. Really? Then why are so many tens and hundreds of millions of people deceived by these folks?

I just ask.

It's obvious to a discerning and biblically knowledgeable Christian that Satan is using these false prophets of the word faith. It should be obvious that he's using the false prophets of the New Apostolic Reformation and its.

Adjuncts.

It should be obvious. It should be obvious, man.

The mysticism and gnosticism of Reading, California, with Bill Johnson. This is setting the stage for Antichrist, undoubtedly.

Oh, I agree. And it's completely part of the apostasy prophesied by the Apostle Paul in 2 Thessalonians. Totally agree.

The ecumenical movement is setting the stage for Antichrist.

Agree. Yeah, ecumenical movement as spearheaded by, I would even name, Rick Warren.

The facts are there. The interfaith movement are setting the stage for Antichrist. Mm-hmm. All of these things.

Yeah, but that's not the point that he's trying to make. This is not the group he's trying to warn people against.

However, what happens when someone who appears to be orthodox...

Appears to be orthodox. Note the phrase, appears.

From our own ranks.

From our own ranks.

Becomes an agent of Antichrist.

All right, so from our own ranks, somebody who appears to be orthodox is a, quote, agent of Antichrist. Who would that be?

Remember, the Antichrist is the son of perdition.

I'm fully aware of that biblically. Thanks, Jacob.

Judas is the son of perdition.

Okay, so note here, now the illusion is that this person is just like Judas, man. He's in our ranks, but he's totally betrayed Jesus.

When we see something about Judas, the Holy Spirit is teaching us something about the Antichrist to come.

So Judas is a prototype of the Antichrist.

Lord, is it I? Lord, is it I? Nobody except Jesus knew who he was. No one had any idea.

But Jacob Prash knows who the real Judas is among us right now. He knows. Jacob Prash knows.

He camouflaged his agenda too well. He seemed to be...

He camouflaged his agenda. It's intentional deception, man.

Too much one of them. Too orthodox to be the one who was the son of perdition. Well, it's the same strategy happening today.

Same strategy, man. It's happening right now, in front of our eyes.

Jesus said there'll be many Antichrists before the ultimate one. That's part of the problem. There'll be so many. When the ultimate one shows up, people will at best think he's just another one, and they won't even recognize him as that initially.

Satan is setting the stage, preparing the trap.

So the trap is set, man. So who's the bait, man? Who's leading us down the primrose path into perdition?

But let's look at this now very carefully. Lord, is it I? If possible, the elect will be deceived. Satan must get into the camp.

He's already in, man.

Who better to do it?

Now, note, he's asking a question, and the question is postulating the answer. Who better to do it?

Who better to set the stage for Antichrist among sincere Bible-believing, otherwise discerning Christians? If possible, the elect will be deceived. Who better to do it than people who outwardly, outwardly appear to be the diametric opposite of false prophets and false teachers?

I speak of the Reformed cessationist camp.

The whole camp, man. Now, by the way, I'm not Reformed. I'm a Lutheran, confessional Lutheran. I'm not one of those Lutherans that flies the rainbow flag or anything like that. No, those guys are Lutherans in name only, gals.

No, I'm a confessional, biblical Lutheran. That's what I am. I'm not Reformed. Reformed refers to Calvinists. I'm not a Calvinist. So it's fascinating that I find myself putting this video together because I stand outside of this fray a little bit and offer a different perspective.

But to sit there and say that the Calvinist Reformed cessationist camp, that the whole lot of them, man, they are the mother of all deceptions concocted by the spirit of Antichrist to get you to embrace and worship the beast man and take the mark of the beast.

This is Looney Tunes. In fact, the Beatles song Taxman comes to mind, except for I've reworked the lyrics a little bit. And I'm the prash man, whoa, I'm the prash man, and the rapture's for no one but me.

Prash man! Yeah, you get the idea. This is nuts. This is bonkers. We continue.

I'm only stating facts.

No, you're not. You're stating theories. You're stating prash-catalogical speculations.

I'm not attacking.

Yeah, you are.

I'm stating documented facts.

No, you're not. Where is it documented that the entire Calvinist Reformed cessationist camp is a deception concocted by the spirit of Antichrist? Where are your facts for that?

At Liberty University.

All right, so now he's going to go on about Liberty University and stuff that they did. I didn't know that Falwell was a cessationist Calvinist, did not know that. So I'm going to fast forward to a little bit farther into the video after that particular rant so that we can see what it is that comes next.

Because again, this whole prash-catalogical narrative is bonkers. But this is the thing that's motivating Lydia Chavez, also known as Service Prashy, and Jacob Prash and all of his followers and people and all this kind of nonsense.

So we fast forward just a little bit. We continue.

We are told directly, emphatically, whoever takes the mark of the beast, the smoke of their torment will go up forever and ever. We are told emphatically that those who take the mark of the beast will not be in the resurrection of the righteous.

They will not be resurrected until the end of the millennium for judgment, for sentencing. That's what it says. That's exactly what it says. That is what Christians have always believed in orthodox eschatology.

Yeah, you'll know that premillennialism historically is not an orthodox eschatology. It's not what the Church Fathers believed at all. So Kiliasm is what it's referred to as historically, and that's not the view, the eschatological understanding of like Augustine and others, even Irenaeus and other people like that.

This Kiliasm, the premillennial view, especially the belief in the rapture, pre-tribulation rapture, that's a newcomer historically within Christian theology. Newcomer. Like within the past 150 years.

Yeah, I'm pointing all of that out because what he says is not historically accurate. It's not even lucid in so many levels, but we continue.

They've always believed that. Now you have John MacArthur. Of all people, John MacArthur teaching it will be possible to take the mark of the beast, sell your soul to Satan, worship the Antichrist, follow the false prophet, and still repent and be saved and be born again.

So what he's doing here is he's taking a statement made by John MacArthur during a Q &A session, and it's the Prashians who've drugged this thing out and have made this an issue. In fact, later in this episode of Fighting for the Faith, I have an interview, a short interview with Phil Johnson to discuss this fact.

In fact, we'll play for you what John MacArthur said and put it in its context and what the response is. So here's the deal, is that John MacArthur is not actively going out there right now telling everybody, go ahead, take the mark of the beast, man.

You can repent later, dude. He ain't doing that. And what Prash is doing here is taking a statement made by MacArthur that he gave in an answer to a Q &A, and we're talking decades ago, and pulling it into the future as if somehow this is some kind of ongoing teaching.

And again, this totally requires that premillennialism is a right understanding of Revelation, and that's debatable, highly debatable. And number two, that somehow that this is all what Prash has really discovered here, that John MacArthur is the tool of the spirit of Antichrist, and this is part of a great deception to deceive you into taking the mark of the beast, and of course, the first seal of the Book of Revelation, man, that thing was probably broken open last week, or two weeks ago during the riots around the world.

Mm-hmm.

So we got a problem here, and his recounting of this is not even remotely accurate as far as a doctrine that MacArthur believes and teaches and stuff like that. We'll get into that.

Where does he get that? He directly contradicts the Word of God! He rejects what it says!

No, actually, he cross-references what Jesus said is the unforgivable sin. There is only one unforgivable sin.

One.

And taking the mark of the beast is not listed by Christ as the unforgivable sin. And so this is an exegetical conversation if you want to have it, but look at what he's done. He's taken MacArthur's statement, totally out of context, doesn't even listen to the exegetical explanation regarding it, assumes that the eschatological view behind it is the only correct view, and he's anathematized John MacArthur not on grounds of a different Jesus, a different spirit, or a different gospel, but a different interpretation of the mark of the beast and the implications regarding taking it or not.

He dismisses emphatically what it states emphatically.

No, he doesn't. You're totally making that part up.

And then when cornered by his own words, he attempts to divert the conversation by saying it's not the unpardonable sin.

No, he doesn't attempt to divert the conversation at all. He just gave an exegetical answer to a question here, and I hate to say this, but aside from Jacob Prash looking like a used car salesman, a used eschatological car salesman, he's behaving like somebody who's on the autism spectrum.

And I'm not saying that to be disrespectful. I'm pointing this out because there's a screw loose here. Rather than engaging in brotherly conversation regarding a point of exegesis that needs to be discussed in a brotherly manner, he's concocted an entire narrative now that John MacArthur is the quintessential tool of the spirit of Antichrist designed to deceive you so that you'll end up in hell.

That is unhinged, to say the least. We continue.

It doesn't matter. They're not going to repent. There's no repentance for those people. It's not going to happen.

That's your opinion. Again, the question is, what does Mark of the Beast mean? What does that section of the Book of Revelation actually refer to?

They're not going to be resurrected. They're not among the righteous. The smoke of their torment will go up forever and ever.

So he's taken this particular exegetical tack interpretation of Revelation 13, and he's exalted this, Prash has exalted this, to a fundamental doctrine that puts you outside of the Christian faith if you don't agree with his interpretation.

That's the problem here.

Don't take that, Mark!

Oh, I agree. Don't take the Mark. As an amillennialist, don't take the Mark under any circumstances. Don't take the Mark. I agree with that, but for way different reasons.

Oh, but John MacArthur said it's all right.

No, he didn't.

He didn't say it's all right, but he says there's going to be people who can do it and still be saved.

He said it's not the unforgivable sin, and he's correct on that.

No, John MacArthur has become a voice motivated not by the Spirit of Jesus, but in this case, at least, by the Spirit of Antichrist. He's being used by Satan to prepare for the coming of the Antichrist.

All right, so there it is. I mean, he's basically come right out and said it. John MacArthur's being used by the Spirit of Antichrist to prepare people for the Antichrist. John MacArthur is outside of the Christian faith, man.