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Well greetings welcome to the dividing line this will be well should be if everything works out well

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The last program in the regular studio for a few weeks

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It's about a three -week trip. I'm going on Heading out a little bit faster than I normally do in other words

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See I can I I do all my own reservations and stuff I sort of have to I mean,

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I guess I could ask somebody to do all that stuff for me but then I'm I'd have to be constantly contacting them and stuff like that and I'm the one out there on the road.

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So You know if I pull in a place and I have reservations because I messed up so that has happened but thankfully that was had a spot but anyway,

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I head out on Tuesday and This is a pretty quick trip

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I'm gonna be heading over to Arkansas and Gonna be speaking at a couple different places primarily in the

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Conway area originally gonna be with Quattro and Nelson at his church the first weekend and Then at the seminary on Monday and Tuesday evenings and And I'm not sure which one of those two is the public one.

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I'd have to look You can contact seminary to find out because I think the other one

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I'm just in one of the regular classes and the Either Monday or Tuesday night,

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I'll be doing a presentation in the lecture hall there on The 7th,

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I can medical council, but I'm gonna have to run through all of them just You know, most people know so little about ecumenical councils and stuff like that and with the current

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You know the the flavor du jour In for converts right now is

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Eastern Orthodoxy and So 7th ecumenical council is

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Absolutely vital there There there are a few things more Definitional of Eastern Orthodoxy Than the issue of icons icon of Julia Iconography the iconic clastic controversy and everything that took place at the

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Nicaea to the 7th. I can medical council. So we're gonna Do a little something that evening.

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Hopefully prepare folks along those lines and then we head for Jonesboro and We have the two debates on Friday and Saturday nights at 12 -5 in Jonesboro and Then I Don't think

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I'm preaching on Sunday. I haven't really talked too much about that and then I head back so I've got to get out there pretty quick.

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So I have to you know, I can lengthen my days As far as how long

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I want to drive each day Have a great program if if anyone is Doing this stuff

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If anyone has any interest if you're an RV or RV life trip wizard

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I'm sure someone's gonna complain about the use of the term wizard But RV life trip wizard is just Best thing

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I've found up I had started with a different one but then I Stumbled on this and it it is the best way to It does a great great great job

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You tell it how long your RV is how tall it is and make sure you're not running into bridges along the way

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You know stuff like that Important little things like that and you tell about how much your gas mileage is and it's got a cool thing with the elevation

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I just opened up the elevation for this This trip and It gets up there

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You know first day up to up through Flagstaff. That's uh, that's climb no two ways about it and Then over into New Mexico across the

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I -40 and then day six It's like sea level

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So I'll get really good gas mileage on days Three four and five When you're going downhill and then you and the other thing is

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I'm going east So I almost always have a tailwind Going downhill the first few days.

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I'm always like wow, we're doing really good on the gas mileage then coming back going back uphill against the wind and the gas mileage

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Really? So if you'd like to help with gas mileage Yesterday as we were signing off right as we were signing off rich sends me this hurried text message

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Travel fund and I had already said see you next time on the dividing line and we had problems, you know

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Well rich had problems with the music yesterday. I I I hit start and play and I Heard him playing the theme song remotely

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Didn't you I did hear you. Oh, yes. Yes. I heard it earlier when when the Yeah earlier

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I heard the song I heard the music playing and then he says well you're gonna have to play it and so I played it and Then the program starts and I hit play

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Happens, you know, so Look We're getting older, you know, and so you just have to get used to You know things just being the way they are

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That's why all the The little boys and girls are saying you need to you need to retire.

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Yeah. Yeah, let us take care of everything. Okay Anyway No, it's on the counter, okay just making sure the wife picked up the

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Had to buy a new toaster and the one I bought was like six months old

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And then you'd put it down and then it'll pop right back up and you put down pop right back up you turn it up More it would last a little bit pop back.

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I was like Toasters are not the most advanced pieces of equipment in the kitchen if you've ever noticed

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This one actually has an LED Countdown as to how much longer you have before your toast is supposed to pop up So that's just another thing it can break even faster

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That's all there is to it anyways, so we do have a travel fund and if you would like to if you've been noticing

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Diesel fuel and regular gas both are not Going down very fast.

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We may be drilling drilling drilling but drilling drilling drilling takes time and so The travel fund at a min org helps us to Keep the

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RV going and as I mentioned, I think on the program the last visit to our repair facility was judging

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But Necessary, you know slide outs, for example, they have to work have to work right and We haven't even put the slide out yet.

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We will find out on Saturday I'm assuming rich is gonna be there.

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We're both gonna sort of be like Okay, here we go you touch it

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It's like okay, here we go. I hope it works. So yeah, I'm a little a little a little nervous about it but um, you know, it's a it's a good place they do they do good work and so Let's just hope everything works because we don't have time to be running it back before Tuesday That ain't that ain't gonna happen.

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So we'll see Anyway, so that's all to say roadtrip dividing lines coming up and roadtrip dividing lines

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What do you need? You need the ANO app. You need the app to tell you when the program is going to be or if it's gonna be at all because Honestly, I can pull into a park

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I can get stuck in a space only space they have left Then the park internet is worthless there's no meaningful cell sites nearby and if I try to put the

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Starlink out. I'm under a canopy of trees and can't find can't find you know, so Okay, we'll have to do it next time.

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It's just just how it works. There's no way no way around it. So anyway, uh

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So with all of that one thing that I completely forgot Hmm Carla is

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Okay, if I've joined but I'm not verified am I actually joined you have any idea what

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Carla's Carla Rolfe is asking about? Because I told her that live live the dividing line is live right now join us and she says if I've joined

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But I'm not verified. Am I actually joined? I'm not really I Rarely know what

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Carla's actually so I I rarely knew back when she was younger Exactly what she was talking about and now that she's up in our

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Neck of the woods age -wise, you know, it could just be things are falling apart for her So so so my thinking there is that if she's not verified on X yes.

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Okay. She can't participate in the chat on X because that's verified people only

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That's the question. She can still view the show and hear the show, but she can't

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And you can't grant her great. There are no dispensations. No dispensations dispensationalism for Carla But well, she she is an

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American living in Canada. So that makes it even worse. But yeah Oh, yeah, somebody just said that the blue check apparently takes three to four days to process too.

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So, oh, you know Elon's Well, I was distracted these days.

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He's a little Thing. Yeah. Yep. Yep discovering the entire administrative state has been sucking us dry and sending our money to George Soros and and Hamas and The level of corruption beyond young I think the bigger the bigger pot has been where they work it halfway around the world and then suddenly it comes right back

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Into their own their own pockets. Yeah, how many of these folks end up leaving Congress as multimillionaires?

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How do they do that? They don't make that much money. I remember the first time that I I learned the word graft

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Yes was when I was a teenager and you need to not be drinking when I say this

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I learned the word graft from Mad Magazine had had English developed that far.

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Yes I Did not know what the word graft meant and Mad Magazine taught me with I'm glad they eventually got

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Mad Magazine up to Prescott Hey, what else was there to do not much that's that's awful.

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Sure you could drive down the hill to Phoenix once in a while, but Anyhow, um, so I had this on the list

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For yesterday, but I didn't get to it because we did all sorts of other things but All right crossway

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Came out with the ESV many years ago and Lockman probably could have killed the

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ESV if they had known how to Market the

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NASB because they had they had a big jump. They were they were way ahead um but they didn't and ESV Had an ink had some incredible people in charge of their marketing.

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I mean they were They were on Bible College campuses handing out free copies and they built that brand so fast it was

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Truly one of the the success stories of the biblical translation realm, I guess you might say and so it's established itself and it eclipsed the

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NASB as far as sales and stuff like that and and But what people don't understand is that in the modern period

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Bible translations Bible translation committees Don't just disband and go home after the first edition comes out

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You could understand logically why The committee would stay in existence

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Because once your translation starts getting used then it starts getting reviewed and you start getting pushback there's always going to be controversial texts and if you've rendered something in a controversial fashion

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You know, someone might point something out you might go. Yeah, you know what that's actually a valid criticism

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What do we do now what kind of editing would be would be possible and you know, you know

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So three four years down the road You put out a new edition and you you make some changes not massive wholesale changes

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But you know look at the NASB My first NASB was in 1977

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And then so it was 18 years later 1995 That the 95 revision came out and then there was a 2020 so, you know about quarter century or so There are there might be

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Major revisions of a particular translation and you might go what why would they do that?

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Well because unlike What most people think for example about the

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King James translators? Bible translation committees do not claim to be inspired and they do not claim to have produced the best translations ever been produced by mankind and it'll never be eclipsed and then we made no mistakes and We cannot be

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Convinced that there's a better way to render this text or that text so It's one thing to like every 25 years have somewhat of a update of things

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It's another thing to do it every five years or so that seems a Like a little bit of a short period of time to collect all that type stuff together

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So, I forget what year it was but the ESV had Put out a

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Announcement that the current form the ESV a couple years ago that was gonna be it the

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Translation committee was disbanding wasn't gonna get back together again, and that's it And there was such a hue and cry of people going.

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Well, what do you mean? And there was a fair amount of pushback, you know, oh so this is this is it this is the best that can be done

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That they backtracked and they said, oh, well actually hold on Okay No, we're not gonna do that and so Last week at some point

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They put out 18 pages and these are these are not

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Densely filled pages. So a very relatively small number of Changes and this is from the 2016 to the 2025 so nine -year gap here

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And the vast majority of them are Really really really

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Minor I You do not have to go running out and buy a brand new

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ESV because oh I want to be up -to -date Let me give an example Okay, Malachi 112

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But you profane it when you say that the Lord's table is polluted and its fruit that is its food may be despised

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There is a comma now after the word food So someone had sort of missed an

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Oxford comma or something and it's fruit that is its food Comma may be despised that comma wasn't there now how many of you would have caught that a couple of you retired

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English teachers something like that, you know might have might have thrown a fit about that, but Really?

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Okay and a lot of the other ones are Addition of translational footnotes

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So and the angel Zechariah 6 5 and the angel answered and said to me these are going out to the four winds of heaven after presenting themselves before the

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Lord of all the earth and in the 2025 there is a textual note inserted after the four winds of heaven and the textual note is or These are the four winds of heaven going out

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Okay Not exactly Big stuff.

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Okay, but they're being honest that you know, this is these are these are notes you get into the

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New Testament and Again Matthew 10 29 are not two sparrows sold for a penny and Not one of them will fall the ground apart from your father.

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Well, there is a Text note attached to the word penny, which

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I really feel a feel badly for the ESV Because there are no pennies

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So some of you may not be aware of this some of you may have been so overwhelmed With the speed at which the

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Trump administration hit the ground absolutely running and raising everything in front of it But they're getting rid the penny

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I didn't realize that it it costs like three cents to make a penny which is stupid

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It really is so Get all your pennies out and either get rid of them quick Or just melt them down and use them for a statute or something.

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Why not? I mean Yes, I know you want to comment on what are we gonna do now with the saying a penny for your thoughts

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It really honestly if it's not $10 for your thoughts.

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It wasn't a thought worth having when you think about because I I went through KFC today there's a

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KFC on the way out to the storage place a place where we have the rig and I Don't know.

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I've just I stopped there once a while from going out and I want to need to grab lunches before I'm gonna do something and I I Said I say this to all these young kids at the drive -thru window

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I'm handing them my card and it's like 13 bucks and I go I'm old enough to remember when this is $3

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And you can tell I ain't the only one saying that to them. I'm going through the drive -thru at all

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So yeah, you know what? They're all thinking Okay, boomer. Oh, yeah

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Yep, they probably are they probably are that's there's no two ways about it. So anyway the

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Text note for penny used to say Greek a sorry on Roman copper coin

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Latin quadrants worth about 1 16th of a denarius, which was a day's wage for a labor and And now it says

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Greek a sorry and Roman copper corn coin worth about 1 16th of a denarius Which was a day's wage for labor, so they took the

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Latin out Well, I'm never gonna use the

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ESV again now that there's not the Latin in a single footnote, you know I'm not sure why they did that but but they did

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So almost all of these as I'm looking at it here are about text notes

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You know, we've changed this tech note text note. We added this text note

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Well, this is interesting in Matthew 18 22. Jesus said to him. I do not say to you seven times but 77 times and now they've inserted a

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A text note or 70 times 7 now that's important because that's difference between forgiving somebody 490 times or only 77 time and Believe you me having worked with rich all these years

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There's a bunch of stuff we're right between 77 and 490 and So what am

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I gonna do now? Thanks the ESV text note. I mean Wow, that's

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That's huge. Yes, so there's a lot of that stuff That again, yeah.

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Yeah. Yes, sir Are you've got your hand on the button? No, no.

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Okay, sir. So from this side of the fence, it's it's well beyond Okay, I see yeah

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Okay But then here's another massive change this is a text change so here's

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And you see part I had already had this on the list to do But Who was it that started this yeah, so dr.

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Riddle from IRB s our our friendly neighborhood TR only guy he and I had

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Gone back and forth just a couple of times yesterday a day for us day on John 118 and but I'm gonna say us versus Mike when

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I'm a sweet awesome and After about one or two it was just like you know what there's there's no reason to do this there's no reason to continue this because You start with the

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TR. You are a TR presuppositional is And It doesn't you know, he was saying well, what did

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Athanasius say? It doesn't matter what Athanasius said not to Jeffrey riddle That's what's just so disingenuous about the

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TR only position just come out and straight -up say we assign the TR Final authority we don't care about manuscripts.

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You don't care about history. I don't care about early church fathers. We don't care about anything We don't care about how the TR came into existence.

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It doesn't matter It doesn't matter what manuscripts or ass was used all that stuff is a distraction.

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It's irrelevant The TR is the final authority. That's it. That's all we've got to offer you.

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We're not gonna argue with you about it We just say that's it. That's it because that's really what it is You know, it may take you two or three hours arguing with Somebody before you finally figure this out but It would you know, he's asking me what did

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Athanasius read and I'm like it doesn't matter I can show your early church fathers say

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God you don't care and If Athanasius has said God you wouldn't care Because it's not what's in the

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TR so it doesn't matter. It's irrelevant So, I don't know if that's how I end up, you know, the algorithm saw us talking and so it threw it.

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I don't know But he put together a whole bunch of ESV memes

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Um So it's got a picture of Fauci and it says trust the science.

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It's time for your ninth ESV booster okay, and Well, why doesn't why didn't it

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Yeah That's got a picture of an ant from the

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Lord of the Rings movies ESV being ditched for NKJV en masse the filth of crossway is washing away

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Then crossway CEO Oh, no Now every ESV owner is going to have to buy the 2025 update and it's somebody it's that it's

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Woody Harrelson wiping his eyes with money and then new from crossway

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Premium pencil edition ESV ESV Bible featuring erasable text so you can change it every few years

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So just a bunch of this kind of stuff Yeah, a picture of Bernie Sanders crossway with dollar signs crossway

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ESV 2025 I am once again asking for your financial support, you know this this kind of thing

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So it's all ha ha ha ha, of course, it's stupid But it's all ha ha ha stuff, you know, and there was even a guy

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Who Responded to it and said this is why I've got exclusively to the KJV I'm not adverse to other people using other versions, but all these changes don't sit right with me

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And I responded and has so far gotten no response to him from him

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At least that I've seen It's possible. There's something that isn't pulled up but So I asked him

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I said which KJV 1611 1769 Blaney Oxford Cambridge because there's a history here and a lot of people, you know, don't understand the history and so Here's here's a textual change in the

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ESV Matthew 1528 Then she is answered her now.

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I'm gonna You know rich answers the the phones around here In fact before the program started he was talking to somebody about slavery and stuff like that and yes, that's why he has to listen to the program is so he can then talk to people on the phone and Give them all the stuff that he's learned over the years listening.

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I mean Have we counted the dividing lines recently? We really need to count the dividing lines

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No, a lot is not enough that Doge is gonna ask us Exactly how many that they need to they they want an actual number we can't do what the

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Democrats do and go a lot so no, we really need to look at look at the numbers and and probably on sermon audio maybe be the one to pull that up on and see how many because we were we were in the middle 2000s

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While back, so I'm wondering if we're getting close to the 3k number because we need to have a party or have a cake

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I have some Maple frosted doughnuts, which I really really like especially when traveling so anyway

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Since you have this high level of training for all these years, I'm gonna read you the 2016 the 2025

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Okay, and I want you to comment on the difference so you ready up rich said he's got to go do something

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Got to go floss the cat or something like that. Okay. So here's the 2016 version then

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Jesus answered her Oh woman great is your faith be it done for you as you desire and her daughter was healed instantly 2025 then

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Jesus answered her a woman great is your faith Let it be done for you as you desire and her daughter was healed instantly

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So the only difference between the two is be it done versus let it be done

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That's it. That's it. That's that's the change and Let it be said let it be done be done.

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Let it be done. There you go So I mean, that's the 25. That's the 2025 version. So we'll call that the

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George Bonneau change in Matthew Matthew 2130 and he went to the other son and said the same and he answered

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I go sir, but did not go 2025 and he went to the other son and said the same and he answered

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I will sir, but did not go. All right that's

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There's at least a little bit of meaning there. I go sir versus I will sir and It does make me because I'm sitting here going.

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All right, I know a little something about these things and You know over the past nine years

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What's been going on is people will write letters to crossway and Articles will appear that are sent to crossway and eventually the translation committee gets together and Works through all this stuff and the stuff that seems to have some credibility gets put on the agenda and so everybody sits around and the

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Old Testament guys do their stuff and the New Testament guys do their stuff and You know, basically

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Hey stop sending me notifications on my phone 2694

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Sermons and my watch that way phone 2694 sermons on sermon audio Well, I might we might get to 3 ,000, you know 2694

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All right. I thought we were a little little higher than that, but we're not

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No sermons that would include just The dividing line or is that sermons

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I've preached at other churches That's just a dividing line. Yeah, I think if you put in the sermons debates

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There are a few things in there that that are beyond the dividing line, yeah, especially the early stuff

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Oh, yeah, there's some seminars in there. So yeah, but pretty much I'll see if I can't find it get to sort.

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Yeah, that would be interesting. That would be really interesting. Yeah, okay, so anyway, um back to the changes here

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Entire books go by without any changes at all and then we come to the one that probably triggered all the stuff with riddle and Oh Wow John 753.

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Okay, you want you want big changes? They moved the double brackets that mark 753 through 811

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They moved it from after the verse number to before the verse number.

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That's that's it so much for the ESV Yeah, okay.

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So This is a big one. Okay, this is They must have been sitting around Go back to the the translation committee here and I you know, there have been lots of papers written recently

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There's a whole movement of people who are really big into The defense of the phrase monogamous we are the only begotten

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Son and So John 118 is a textual variant that we've discussed many times on the program over the years

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Uh They're actually there's not just two variant readings at John 118 because you can have

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Ha monogamous. They ask you can have monogamous. They asked ha monogamous we asked and then you inevitably get your later manuscripts that try to Fix what they think's an error and they end up with a unique reading or Things like that and it's not my intention to go back over that material right now

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But only to note that really the the most Substantive stuff at least far as New Testament theology is concerns right here in the quote -unquote changes

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So John 118 in the 2016 ESV says no one has ever seen

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God the only God but no one Who is at the father's side footnote to?

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He has made him known But no one reads or The only one who is

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God some manuscripts the only Son and then number two

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Greek in the bosom of the fathers who is at the father's side is in the bosom of the father, which is

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Literally what it reads. That's true Now the 2025 No one has ever seen

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God God the only Son Who it who but no one is

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At the father's side footnote to he has made him known so the changes the only

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God to God the only Son the new footnote one says

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Seen God the only God who? some manuscripts seen

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God the only Son who see verse 14 and Then footnote to Greek in the bosom.

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The father stays the same now I Can't even make heads or tails out of that footnote

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Okay That the original footnote was significantly clearer

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God now the ESV is Translating the

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Nessie Holland 28th edition here and So they are translating the phrase monogamous they ask because they're using the term

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God as God the only Son so They don't before they had the only

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God so the monogamous is being rendered as only so my gut feeling is that the stuff that came out

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See the 26 if the ESV came out in 2016 the whole

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ESS stuff Blew up that summer And There are a number of papers and things written over the next couple of years

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Especially on the meaning of monogamous and so probably one of the some of the more strident

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Criticisms of the ESV Was if you have the only

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God you are Limiting the the meaning of monogamous in a particular fashion, that's probably what the criticism was and So they chose

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God the only Son To try to while maintaining

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Fidelity to the reading they ask which is the reading of the earliest all of the earliest manuscripts

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Read they are so p66 p75 Sinaiticus and Vaticanus Now Alexandrinus reads son.

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It's proto -byzantine in the Gospels and you can again without going into depth on this when you look at the citations of early church fathers

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The question becomes how early What's the earliest manuscripts we have of those early church fathers?

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Are they being? what if what if we have a This happens a couple times.

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What if we have a book by an early church writer and the only way we know of a particular text where this verse is cited is

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That book is cited by somebody else, but we don't have the original book anymore so Let's say

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Just use Tertullian as an early writer Tertullian wrote something But somebody else then quotes

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Tertullian what Tertullian originally wrote it's gone That hasn't that hasn't survived that happens a lot in history, of course

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But somebody else cites him as having said that okay, so it's now secondhand

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And what's the earliest manuscripts we have of the second hand how far away from the original are you going here?

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That's why a manuscript itself a Physical it exists in time manuscript

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Has more value to the text the others should be noted the others can

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Create a collective case But You know,

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I can I can look at this and I can look at these notes the bottom of the page and Yes, I know

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When I'm looking at these notes, you know, I just happen to open up here and I see 1739 1881

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Minuscule texts that are cited over and over and over again because both of them clearly Were copies of much much much earlier texts there around 9th 10th 11th centuries around there

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And You can you can look at all that You have that kind of data, but if I'm seeing and this is an

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Estellan text if I had the UBS over here That has many more citations of early church fathers what you don't have and what very few people have is access to the earliest

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What are the earliest manuscripts we have of these works? We spent a lot of time trying to determine the dating of Actual new testament manuscripts, but when it comes to the patristic sources whole lot less information available a whole lot less information at that particular point in time, so The ESV translation committee is staying with this.

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They're staying with the the reading Monogamy stay us or ha monogamy stay us

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I'm not sure that Yeah, the article could enter into that particular debate between the the two renderings.

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Yeah, I could but they're staying with the house, but they're trying to Possibly respond to the monogamy

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Movement that has taken place since 2016 and hence now have

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God the only son But the text note or seeing

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God the only God who I assume

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What they're saying is or we could understand this as seeing God the only

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God who is at the father's side. I Think and then it has a semicolon some manuscripts seen

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God The only son who but see that doesn't really explain anything either

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Because that could just be monogamous. They're translating monogamous is the only son, but the other reading the other manuscripts is monogamous

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We asked so son is there so I'm not sure what's in verse the verse 14 footnote that they're referring to but I Can't see how this text note.

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It's gonna be overly helpful or over explanatory of anything To be perfectly honest with you, but that's one of the one of the changes and it's it's important and Again, I'm just looking through here first Corinthians 912.

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They changed where the where they break the paragraph Hopefully everybody already knew that Sentence breaks paragraph breaks are all editorial.

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They aren't in the original anywhere So I appreciate being told but still

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We have a footnote insertion of Greek the first fruits In first Corinthians 16 15 the household of Stephanos were the first converts in Achaia and They've added a text note next to convert says

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Greek the first fruits Okay, you know Second Corinthians 410 may also has been changed to also may

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Again a lot of this stuff. Yeah, this doesn't have much of an impact

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This is interesting Verse 10 of Ephesians 1 as a plan for the fullness of time to unite all things in him things in heaven and things on earth

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Now 2025 as a plan for the fullness of time to unite all things in Christ Things in heaven and things on earth in him.

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Okay Some of that just may be due the fact that I'll toe is used.

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I'll toss out. I'll tell Tom are you is used of Christ in 1st

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Corinthians and in Ephesians 1 and every translation committee is one of the things they talk about is

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When the Greek sentence goes on and on and on and on like Ephesians 1 is When do you how far down the road?

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Will we go? Assuming that the reader is going to keep the proper nouns in view and not get confused

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So the NIV had a very short distance That's why in John chapter 12 verse 41

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These things he spoke about These things he spoke about him because he had seen his glory.

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They put the word Jesus there They take out the pronoun and actually put the the proper noun

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Jesus in the NIV Why because there had been too many verses since Jesus name had been used that their decision was

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Repeat the proper noun because we can't assume that someone's going to follow the pronouns that far down the road

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Or when there's a possibility because of a citation or something like that that there would be a confusion and as I've said that sort of ruins

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The use of the NIV When talking Jehovah's Witnesses about John 1241 and the identification of Jesus is

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Jehovah Yahweh So you have to keep that kind of thing in mind.

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Maybe that's what was going on here I don't know. Did it was there something you were going to oh I've just I did a resort on it just for the dividing line only we came up with 2266

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So and that's going the wrong direction. No So I'll tell you what we could do we could you know, all these guys that want us to retire

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Yeah, so we'll we can make a commitment here right now that once we hit 5 ,000 dividing lines

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We can call it quits. Okay, I think I think we could probably agree to that.

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Yeah. Yeah, I think so I think so. Yeah, because at the current rate that would be In our 90s.

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No, there's no 30 years Yeah, and I know late 90s Somewhere in there.

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Yeah. Yep. Yep, you know as you're going through this there was a a

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Bible that I carried when you first met me Don't remind me of that. It still scares me.

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Yeah, I bet you do you remember the I'd love to throw In fact, is that is that your members only jacket in the other?

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That that Maroon had the members only jacket and carrying this big beast of a Bible around Do you remember the open expanded?

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Yes Bible. Yes Wouldn't that throw a monkey wrench in these guys's spokes? Yeah Oh my goodness every verb you can think of to throw into the translation to possibly

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Absolutely, make sure that you can't possibly leave anything that you can possibly think of out of the sentence

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Yeah, I remember the open Bible that was pretty early on the open Bible and then there was the open expanded and It had to translate

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Thoroughly Well, it was like trying to read the Amplified Bible. Remember? No. No, that's what I'm thinking of the

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Amplified. Oh Okay image the verbiage. I know the

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Amplified Bible was a Lachman pronounced a product to yeah, that was same people did the

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NASB and it was the could be called the interminable Bible because it just Yes.

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Yes. So you had the Amplified I Had both the open expanded Which had a big old honking thing in the middle for the 400 years of silence okay, it wasn't it wasn't the the other stuff, but It was all the time between the

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Testaments and we're gonna get this stuff. What's that? Where'd you get this stuff? Well, where do you think I got it? It was either a

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Bering and Christian bookstore where we used to hang out all the time or the one down at 7th Avenue Yeah back.

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What was that called? Uh, oh Man, I know. Yeah And that's long -term memory, oh my word, uh -huh

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That was a good bookstore though. That was a great bookstore. It was really was that's where I first That's that's the bookstore.

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I was standing in and I opened up the handbook on denominations to find out what a

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Reformed Baptist was. Oh, yeah Was that Christian something Christian supply? Well, there was central

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Christian supply They were on I think 7th as Central Central Avenue. There was the one it at the

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I Can't remember the name of the place. That's not the same one. No, I was a different place.

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Oh, yeah Anyway, that's the that's the one I was that that's the one where I used them as a library and opened up the manual on the handbook of Christian denominations, and I I had picked up a cassette tape at the

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Bible counter at Berean at 35th and Camelback from this guy named Don Frye at Phoenix Reformed Baptist Church, and I listened to it.

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I was like, wow, this is great But what in the world is Reformed Baptist? And I was at that other

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I think it was Central Christian Supply and They had the handbook on denominations and I said, hey,

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I wonder if they've got Reformed Baptist in here and they did so Yeah, that was we're going back back in time here

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So just a couple other Quote -unquote changes here The last one listed is

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Revelation 13 8 and All who dwell on earth will worship it everyone whose name has not been written before The foundation of the world in the book of life the

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Lamb who was slain That's the 2016 now. There's a lot of issues here.

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This this is a tough text to translate Now it says and All who dwell on earth will worship it everyone whose name has not been written from The foundation of the world in the book of life of the

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Lamb who was slain So it's before now it says from There's a whole lot more actually

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That is challenging in Revelation 13 8 than just that but probably the the one that got the most

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Interest was in Genesis 3 and Genesis 4 and we'll wrap up with these

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Genesis 3 16 2016 version To the woman he said

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I will surely multiply your pain and childbearing in pain. You should bring forth children Your desire shall be contrary to your husband

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But he shall rule over you but there's a text note next to contrary to That says shall be toward See Genesis 4 7 and there's a change in Genesis 4 7 2

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That's now been changed. I will surely multiply your pain and childbearing in pain

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You should bring forth children your desire shall be for Your husband and He shall rule over you now but or and Does have

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Significance at this text and the new text note says is Next to the word for it says to or toward or against c4 7

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So we go to 4 7, which is the next change If you do well, will not you be will you not be accepted?

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And if you do not do well sin is crouching at the door its desire is contrary to you

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But you must rule over it 2016 Next to contrary to it says is toward But now 2025 if you do well, will you not be accepted and if you do not do well sin is crouching in the door

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Its desire is for you and you must rule over it With the footnote saying to or toward or against c3 16 so Evidently Again that the

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OT guys the Hebrew guys got together and Read the various critiques and Maybe some new commentaries came out.

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I have not been keeping up with what has been going on that particular area, but the

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OT committee as a whole Decided these would be appropriate changes now again

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You you could probably put all these changes if you didn't worry about text notes and stuff like that On a single piece of paper it is not worth your time whatsoever to Go out and buy a new

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ESV the memes of people rolling in money are silly However, one of the reasons why it is worthwhile for us to discuss this on the program is due to the fact that If you're going to be preaching these texts we're going to be preaching

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Revelation and the lamb Slain before the foundation of the earth if you're going to be preaching

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John 1 18 you need to know

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You know, your people are sitting there. Yeah, a lot of them have paper Bibles a lot of others and What do they have on this

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And if Their phone automatically updates to the 2025 and You may be preaching from the 2016

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They're gonna be lost They're gonna wonder what you're talking about unless you address the issue

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And yeah, it's a blessing and a curse It's real easy for people to sit there and say this is why it was a lot better when we were all just sitting around With the

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King James version of the Bible Okay. No, they're their advantages to that They're the same advantages the

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Muslims have that use the exact same Quran They just don't happen to know that that Quran was edited over time their technical variance.

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There are no notes They don't know any of that stuff So yeah, you want to have that kind of the same kind of certainty?

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That the Muslim has about the Quran or the Mormon has about the Book of Mormon Now some of the

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Mormons do know the Book of Mormon has been changed But their response would be changed by the gift and power of God vested in the

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Prophet So that that's how you take care of that But yeah, people don't want to know anything about the history of their text.

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They don't want to know they don't like those text notes For years I've asked people while I'm giving my

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New Testament Reliability presentation How many of you will be honest enough to say right here and right now in front of your friends and family?

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That when you see those notes that say some manuscripts say this and some manuscripts say that you could translate this you could translate that That it bothers you and a lot of people go.

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Yeah, they'd they'd they want to have a Cut and dried sent down from heaven

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On golden tablets idea Than the way that God gave us his word over time.

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They'd much much prefer that. There's no question about it But we have to know these things we have to know

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What the background is what the history is there's a reason why these text notes exist The King James had textual notes when it was first published the vast majority of those including

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Alternate readings and alternate translations aren't included anymore it would really help if they were but Who would ignore them?

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so Given the popularity of the ESV probably in our audience.

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I think it's worthwhile that you would look up Crossway .org

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look up the ESV And you know, maybe download that just take a look at yourself it's it's very minor stuff and Other translations have done very very similar things and no one really made a big stink about it

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But It's good to know how these things work and it's also good to know that this isn't just We're not saying that some translation committee gets to sit around and determine

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This is what the Word of God says and we've been given this authority and this power. No, they're Doing the best they can

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Given the standards they themselves have set for themselves the text they're translating and the textual methodology to be consistent and In the nine years time since 2016.

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There's been basically an argument that to be more consistent This is the way you would want to render these particular texts.

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And so that's what they've done No, you do not have to go and buy a new ESV But be aware.

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You've got your favorite ESV. You've got all your marks in it at least at these few places When you pull it up on your phone, it's probably gonna be the 2025 or if you buy another one for somebody else

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Probably gonna be a 2025, you know starting later in the year. I mean There's obviously a stock of 2016

01:00:31

ESVs around that are still gonna get sold So that that's all there is to that Okay, all right, so once again next week

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When will we do the program? Oh, don't know It you know

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It's a it's a long drive on Tuesday Um if I get a real good early start might we

01:00:58

Get a a program in. Yeah, that's possible. I'll try If I get you know, but I don't know what the weather's gonna look like there's just all sorts of variables so Get the app.

01:01:11

That's the best way And of course follow me follow us on Twitter. Follow me on Twitter.

01:01:17

I Don't try to get followers Someone pointed out this morning that we have a hundred and eleven thousand subscribers on YouTube and I'm like We never try to get subscribers on YouTube, especially

01:01:30

YouTube Because oh, oh Got to talk about this for a second.

01:01:39

Sorry got to talk about this for a second Yesterday's program YouTube Decided that they had to put a

01:01:52

Notification on yesterday's program and I'm like, okay

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Here is where to go the the notes gone, maybe they did

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How interesting Because I certainly did comment on it on on Twitter what

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Yeah, this is February 12th abolition Rick Warren, it was the abolition discussion, okay

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All right. They took it back down. They took it off Didn't I put something on Twitter about this?

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Yeah, I did. Yeah, here it is. Here's what it used to say And now it's gone they attached

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Abortion health information and you can't take this stuff off There's nothing you can do about it.

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Google does this Google owns YouTube National Library of Medicine and abortion is a procedure to end a pregnancy

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It can be done two different ways medication abortion which uses medicines to end the pregnancy really medicines

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Hormones, it is sometimes called a medical abortion or abortion with pills Procedural abortion a procedure to remove the pregnancy from the uterus.

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You don't remove a pregnancy you stupid morons You move the body of the dead, baby

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It is sometimes called a surgical abortion for information purposes only consult your local medical authority for advice now

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Some of my say it's just automatically done, you know by algorithm, you know You you said the word abortion and so therefore it's just automatically attached

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Yeah, the lies are automatic remove a pregnancy. What idiocy is this?

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I just So I talked about the 23 year old purple haired interns at Google that attach such

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Foolishness On on Twitter and I can I can do that on Twitter.

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I can't do that on lots of other places So yeah, who knows?

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What kind of? Attachments, but but it's it's gone. It's it's not there anymore. So That's interesting that's good, but it was there for a while all right, anyways, that was a couple extra minutes, but whole point being next week just Get the app follow along and we'll do the best we can and just pray for traveling mercies

01:04:55

I Remember when we first did this the first time I drove up by 17 to Flagstaff We were very very worried we

01:05:05

I mean We were we didn't know if that first truck was gonna pull that baby up that hill those hills.

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There are some very Very steep hills if you are not familiar with it between here and Flagstaff Flagstaff is 7 ,000 feet.

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We're at 1 ,200 feet You climb climb climb then go straight down into Camp Verde which honestly is a

01:05:32

Of the whole trip that's the part that makes me the most nervous honestly, it's not going uphill it's going downhill you've got

01:05:39

You got something massive on your on your tail But those are steep steep sections

01:05:46

My dad and I went deer hunting what year one year just one year and we went in my

01:05:51

Chevy love pickup truck Which had a hamster? For an engine it really did and with just two guys in it.

01:06:00

We weren't hauling anything I had the flashers on at 25 miles per hour going up to Flagstaff I remember it it was so embarrassing all the semis were blown by us.

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Oh it was That poor little thing it was it was a cute little truck, but oh it was bad anyway

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That's coming up on Tuesday the those climbs and stuff like that Our our big

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GMC diesel just laughs at the whole thing But pray for safe travel.

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I'm the one driving and hopefully we'll get to see you all. Hopefully we'll shoot for Tuesday if not

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Wednesday Again, all depending on weather and everything else pray for us. We'll see y 'all in Arkansas.