December 22, 2016 Show with Dr. Stephen Yuille on “Longing for Home: A Journey Through the Psalms of Ascent” AND “A Hope Deferred: Adoption & the Fatherhood of God”

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Good afternoon, Cumberland County, Pennsylvania and the rest of humanity living on the planet earth who are listening via live streaming. This is Chris Arntzen, your host of Iron Sharpens Iron, wishing you all a happy Thursday on this 22nd of December, 2016, just three days away from Christmas and I hope that you all are already enjoying the season and that a lot of love and warmth and praising of our Lord and Savior awaits you in the days ahead.

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He is an author and a teaching pastor and elder at Grace Community Church in Glen Rose, Texas, and we are discussing two of his books today. The first hour we are going to be addressing Longing for Home, A Journey Through the Psalms of Ascent.

The second hour we're going to be addressing his book, A Hope Deferred, Adoption and the Fatherhood of God, and as I said, if you'd like to join us with a question, our email addresses are chrisarnson at comcast .net, or ironsharpensironradio at gmail .com.

But it's my honor and privilege to welcome you to Ironsharpensiron for the very first time ever, Dr. Stephen Yule. Yeah, good afternoon. Thank you. Good to be with you. It's great to have you, Dr. Yule, and before we even go into the subjects at hand, if you could please give us a bit about your personal upbringing, the religion of your youth, if any, or the religion of your household, if any, and how you came to know Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior, what providential things the Lord brought about in your life to lead you to.

Himself. Certainly. I met my wife, Allison. And when did you realize that God was placing a call upon your life to become a pastor? That's a good question, and as I mentioned, five years, two thousand and...

Well, tell us something about Grace Community Church of Glen Rose, Texas, where you are now pastoring. Southern Baptist Church, founder-friendly, on the map, wonderful group of believers here, and some service and wonderful men on staff and felt is doing in our midst.

I should also mention I'm also a modular program here in Glen Rose, Texas. Great. Well,.

I have interviewed a number of folks from the Southern Baptist Seminary of Louisville, including Dr. Moeller, the president, Al Moeller, and someone who's retired from the faculty there but who has been a guest on Iron Sharpens Iron a number of times, Dr. Tom Nettles, who's a real fountain of historical information.

Really love having Dr. Nettles on the program. Well, we are, as I said, addressing two of your books today. The first we are talking about is Longing for Home, A Journey Through the Psalms of Ascent, and what, if you could, tell us were the things, the providential things, going on in your life that really drew you to.

Want to write this book? And here I thought it would be edit them and put them in a book form and pulpit ministry right in the psalms. We have all mirrored the psalmists led me into them from that just my own conviction as to how useful they are.

And perhaps it'd be a good place to start.

The Meaning and Scope of the Psalms of Ascent

With a definition of the Psalms of Ascent specifically. Well, that one's up for debate,.

Sort of musical to 135. Well, I want to read a wonderful endorsement that you have received.

For this book from your colleague at the Southern Baptist Theological Seminary, Don Whitney, Associate Dean. There is a psalm for every experience in life, for every sigh of the soul. No other section of the book of Psalms demonstrates those deep emotions better than Psalm 120 to 134, known as the Psalms of Ascent.

In longing for home, readers accompany Stephen Yule on a journey through this collection of psalms and find themselves nodding deeply in agreement as their guide shows how these ancient texts put into expression the size of believers in Christ who are longing for their earthly home.

Very powerful endorsement by Don Whitney and we look forward to trying to get Don on the program as well sometime. This is obviously an indication that Christians, one of the first things they should do, are not only on their knees in prayer and also cries for help to close brothers and sisters in Christ who will be able to respond to them in a biblical and God-honoring fashion, but one of the first things that our brethren should do when they are faced with a crisis, when they are faced with unexpected perhaps misery or perhaps misery and depression and sadness that they've been coping with for years, they should be delving deep into the Word of God because it's His inerrant Word that really has the ultimate answers for everything that we face, is it not?

Yeah, you're finishing any of those things of that Word that every conceivable circumstance of life. There is nothing for which we do not find...

We have a listener, C .J. from Lindenhurst, Long Island, New York, who wants to say, isn't it true that one of the key elements missing from much of contemporary Christian music is the depth and the diversity of the Psalms which not only feature words of praise and exuberant joy but also the depths of despair and sadness and sorrow for which they cry out to the Lord for help?

It seems that much of modern day Christian music is a one-string banjo whereas the Psalms are full and rich. Do you not agree that Christians should incorporate the Psalms.

Much more frequently in their worship? Yeah, I agree. I don't fall into the... Not all, but in much contemporary worship. And I think something is missing.

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What do you discuss in the initial chapter of this book that we are addressing today, Pursuing Peace? Tell us something specifically about that.

You know, the psalmist express we do is far more serious than that in the midst of them. The psalmist examines circumstances. You really get an example of that and what it means to apply Paul's admonition to repay no one for evil, you know, if possible, so far as it depends on you, live peaceably with all.

And we see that played out in the psalmist's own experience. So try to build a bridge there from... And following that, you deal with seeking help in the second chapter. And, you know, there we don't know the exact of the descent, other than I think two or three of them, if memory serves me, we could read the psalms, exegete them, understand them, and immediately make application to our own context.

But we don't know the specific historical events or circumstances surrounding a lot of them. And Psalm 121 is a case in point. All we know is that the psalmist is in distress. He, you know, I lift my eyes to the hills, from where does my help come?

He passes through in life. And so, again, just drawing the line from that psalm, the one who keeps his people in all places, in all conditions. We have Arnie in Perry County, Pennsylvania, who has a twofold question.

He says, I know that David did not write all of the psalms, but is it true that he compiled all of them that are present in the canon? And he follows up that question with, do we know whether.

Or not for certain that any of the psalmists who are unnamed were, in fact, women? Yes, he was.

Asking if David, although he did not write all of the psalms, he wrote some of them when they're identified as him being the author. He was wondering if he is the one that compiled them all,.

That we, all of the ones that we have in the canon, the Old Testament canon. Oh no, David.

Oh, that's what his question was, though. He said that he knew that David didn't write all of them, but did he, is he the one that selected those that are in our canon, in the Old Testament canon? In other words, did he select those that are written by Solomon and other people?

No, he would have been long dead. Okay. Because a number of them, Psalm 1 verse 1, and there are other, again, going from Eastern, the reigns of those psalms, 400 years.

And his follow-up question, Arnie in Perry County's follow-up question was, do you know whether or not any of the psalmists were women?

None that I know of. There are some, you know, we don't know.

But assuming you would not totally dismiss the idea that it is possible that some of the psalms.

Were written by women. Oh, it is possible. And I mean, you go outside the book of psalms, and then we have Hannah's song, which is a Hannah's psalm, right? Right. In fact, it's a psalm belonging to a woman.

So I said some of the ones...

Well, thank you, Arnie. And guess what? You have also won a free copy of Longing for Home, A Journey Through the Psalms of Ascent by our guest J. Stephen Yule, and compliments of Shepherd Press and Cumberland Valley Bible Book Service will be shipping that out to you.

We need your full mailing address there in Perry County, Pennsylvania. So please give us all the information that we need to ship that out to you. And Merry Christmas to you, Arnie, and thank you very much for participating in the program.

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Welcome back. This is Chris Sarnes and your host of Iron Sharpens Iron. If you've just tuned us in, our guest today for the full two hours with 90 minutes to go is Dr. J. Stephen Yule. And for the first hour, or should I say the next half hour that is left of that hour, we are discussing longing for home, a journey through the Psalms of Ascent.

And then in the second hour, we are going to be discussing Dr. Yule's book, A Hope Deferred, Adoption and the Fatherhood of God, which is something that providentially we were just discussing a few days ago on this program with Tim J .R. Trumper, which is kind of an interesting providence because we didn't plan on that.

But if you'd like to join us on the air with a question of your own, and we do have a couple of you waiting right now to have your questions asked, that if you'd like to join them, our email address is chrisarnsen at comcast .net, chrisarnsen at comcast .net, and also ironsharpensironradio at gmail .com.

Ironsharpensironradio at gmail .com. And I do want to remind you before we return to our interview that every Saturday from 12 noon to 1 pm eastern time, I hope that you tune in to Pastor Bill Shishko's program, A Visit to the Pastor's Study, which you can hear anywhere in the New York tri-state area on 540 AM on the radio dial.

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Every Saturday, 12 noon to 1 pm Eastern Time, a visit to the Pastor's Study with Pastor Bill Shishko. And we do have a listener from Clinton Township, Michigan, Jeff, who wants to know, I have been recently using a particular translation for my daily Bible reading, but it seems as though the Psalms don't sound as majestic or lyrical as the King James version.

Would Dr. Yule recommend one particular English translation over the other for study and reading?

Um, no, I would not. My recommendation would be multiple translations. I actually think that's one of the blessings, multiple translations. Pick up the authorized version.

Well, of course, since the NASB sponsors this program, definitely use that.

Of course. And including from that translation.

And if our listener Jeff just enjoys the King James, especially while reading the Psalms, then keep reading from the King James. You don't have any objection to the King James version,.

Do you? Certainly not.

And when he goes into study, Jeff could take your advice to use different translations when you're studying different things. Exactly. Well, thank you very much, Jeff. In fact, you have won a free copy of Longing for Home, A Journey Through the Psalms of Ascent by our guest, Dr. J. Stephen Yule, and also compliments of Shepherd Press and compliments of the Cumberland Valley Bible Book Service.

And by the way, I hope our listeners don't get annoyed with me if I, on occasion, seem distracted, but I am getting inundated with phone calls and emails about the upcoming pastor's luncheon and debate that I have been announcing.

And it's very exciting and I'm so thrilled about that, but it also can be distracting at times. But I do thank all of you who are encouraging me, giving me more confidence that we're going to have a full house at both of these events because we have people traveling, as far as I know right now, as far away as Virginia and Washington, D .C. and Maryland and New York, coming all the way here to Carlisle, Pennsylvania for this event, and of course local Pennsylvanians as well.

But I really am looking forward to meeting many of you for the first time and seeing many of you who have come to other events of Orange Represents Orange. But thank you very much for that. What is one or two, or perhaps a few, of the psalms that you automatically seem to be driven to read when you yourself, Dr. Yule, are feeling lonely, when you're feeling perhaps going through a crisis of some kind, your heart is aching, your mind is filled with distress, perhaps you are violating the command of Christ to be anxious for nothing, which is probably the thing that I most violate in my life as a Christian, is forgetting those words of Christ or disobeying them.

What are the psalms that you particularly go to during those times?

I think the 126 psalms, again, we empathize with the psalmist, finds himself, we find him, 125, 125 we find him, and so it's just however he finds his strength, and so I have found three among all I've, especially Psalm 127, where he really, I find it necessary to go back to Psalm 126, most believers.

Now what do you mean by your chapter heading, prizing community? Yeah, prizing community, that's basic with God's people at Jerusalem, that he is to be there, and just establishes in terms of what it is today, especially on our journey home, you know, we bridge the gap between David and us, we do realize there's a dramatic shift with the coming of the Lord Jesus, and we're no longer going up to a physical city, in a physical temple, but we are the body of Christ, and the same excitement that Jerusalem generated for David, way back when, is the same kind of exhibiting together with God, part of the body of Christ, and recognizing how important that is for mutual encouragement, if I've mentioned it in that chapter, if it's a different one, but I think it was Kevin DeYoung who coined that phrase, anyway, among many, not necessary.

On that Psalm 122, I really try to emphasize the importance of prizing community, prizing, that is, the local church, and recognizing its place in the plan of God, and I think that is a particular, and the message is, and what do you mean by facing danger, as a chapter heading, facing danger, handled against them, or it would have gone over them, if not for what, the greatness, greatness of God's deliverance, excuse me, all leading obviously to the greatness of their God, our help is in the name of the Lord, who made heaven and earth, to see all of that fulfilled, of Christ, God who did not spare his own son, gave him up for us all, how will he not also then give us all things, God is for us, who can be against us, so again, just a wonderfully encouraging Psalm, and I think a wonderfully encouraging reminding.

Us of the greatness of our God. We have Harrison in Mechanicsburg, Pennsylvania, who asks, why is it that Christians very often would say that it is inappropriate to pray for vengeance upon their enemies, where God seems to have breathed out in his inerrant word, in the Psalms, many occasions, where the Psalmists were doing that very thing, and those Christians I know that are biblically sound and orthodox, will say that God has not changed from the old to the new covenant, even though specific details of those covenants have changed, but I have always been taught that there is no change in the way God loves, nor in his wrath from old to new testament, so why is it that you find these things in the Psalms, and very rarely hear them even uttered in Christian worship, other than when we are singing.

Psalms? That's a very good question. That was from Harrison, wasn't it? No, Harrison in Mechanicsburg. Harrison, just like Harrison Ford. In Psalm 129, and your quite repertory evangelical thought, we have shied away from that emphasis in Psalm 129.

I actually posit why that might be the case. I'm just turning to that chapter today. Many evangelicals between the old testament, even the fact that the new testament actually, the reason I give is evangelicals today who would identify themselves as Marcionites, the testament God is merciful, I don't think any are running around identifying themselves as Marcionites.

You know, he was what, the second century, third century. I have met a number who had the view that as God, I've often come out, describe the relationship between what they read in the old, read in the new.

I think some just have a deficient view of sin, and so struggle with the imprecatory Psalms, the important thing, that is a terrifying thought. It's an unpleasant thought, and yet we need to glorify him in his justice as well.

I think those Psalms do have an appropriate...

Well, for instance, I think that where this question is very applicable would be in a day and age where it seems that every single day we see and hear about the atrocities being performed globally by Islamic terrorists, and you have some people who all they want to do is have nuclear warheads fired at different areas where Muslims dominate the population and they have nothing but wrath in their mind and heart, and then you may have others who respond only in a like you might imagine Mr. Rogers in his neighborhood there, but is there an appropriate way to pray for God to either save the souls of these terrorists or bring them to their end on.

This earth through destruction and so on? Our calling and find ourselves have experienced Christ Jesus, the only commensurate, as Paul says, and that is to be revealed. I don't think it's our place to do anything of that nature.

I think our call and mercy to some degree and when the righteous judge... But I assume that you are not a pacifist and believe that there is such a thing as the.

Right use of a military in war, not that every single time a nation, even ours, sends out our military, especially in the foreign lands, to fight the battles of others, where many of our own young men and women are perishing out there, but do you not believe that there is a good and God-honoring use of the military and of weaponry and so on, when there seems to be no other.

Proper alternative? I would base that in large part on Romans 13, where Paul tells us in mind there of life, in the image of God, life. So we have law enforcement. I think you can make application then to international affairs, an occasion for the preservation of life,.

Honoring of God. Well, I'd like you to conclude this portion of the program with what you most want our listeners to have etched in their hearts and minds before we move over to the next.

Topic for the second hour. I think to end on is the final chapter. Psalm 134, I entitled it, Bless him by night in the house of the psalmist, and it ends on this final note, that earth on nothing. He binds up the waters in his thick, between light and darkness.

Behold, these are the outskirts of his ways, and how small a whisper do we hear of him. He cannot upset in a delight which the mightiest wind central message, and a fitting, I think a fitting conclusion to this.

Portion of our interview. Well, thank you so much, Dr. Yule, and we are going to be transitioning in our next hour to come to discuss A Hope Deferred, Adoption and the Fatherhood of God, another book that Dr. Yule has written that was published by Shepard Press.

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Or visit solidrockremodeling .com. That's solidrockremodeling .com. Solid Rock Remodeling, bringing new life to your home. Welcome back. This is Chris Arns. And if you just tuned in today, our guest for the full two hours with one hour to go is Dr. J. Stephen Yule.

And today, for the second hour, we are discussing a hope-deferred adoption and the fatherhood of God. If anybody would like to join us on the air with a question for Dr. Yule regarding that subject, our email address is chrisarnson at comcast .net.

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Before I return to our guest, I also want to remind our listeners about the one item in regard to the upcoming debate between Reformed Baptist scholar Dr. Tony Costa from Toronto Baptist Seminary and Roman Catholic scholar Robertson Jenis of Catholic Apologetics International, who are debating on Friday, January 13th at 7 p .m. at the Carlisle Theater here in Carlisle, Pennsylvania, on Mary, Sinless Queen of Heaven or Sinner Saved by Grace.