Cultish: Ray Comfort - The Do's & Don'ts of Witnessing to the Cults

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Ray Comfort from Living Waters. All right.

Welcome back, ladies and gentlemen, to Kultish entering the kingdom of the cults. My name is Jeremiah Roberts. I'm one of the co -hosts here.

Very super excited today with the guests we have with us today. I'm joined, as always, by Andrew, the super sleuth of the show.

How are you doing, man? I'm doing well, doing well. About to find out if I'm a good person or not. I know I'm not.

And I need the Lord. No, absolutely, man. So we are here with Ray Comfort from Living Waters Ministries.

Ray, thanks so much for coming on. Great. Is my beard lacking? It doesn't seem to be as long as your guys' beards.

Oh, no. I think I noticed that you're pretty much infamous for your mustache, actually.

So I noticed you're kind of really growing in a full thing. Yeah, it's just hidden. Yeah. No, it's really not.

Beards are really like the matter of the heart. You know, sometimes some people can grow them great and glorious. Other people just have patches. So just really all depends.

As long as your heart's in the right place, you know, you're pretty good. Right. But yeah, so we are here with us.

We want to kind of have you on because we are show Kultish. We deal a lot with different cults and world religions, aspects of the

New Age, aspects of the occult. And we want to reach out to you just because you have a ministry long and running.

Just real quickly, tell everyone just about yourself and your ministry, specifically with Living Waters and the things that you do real quickly.

Well, to make it succinct, we encourage Christians to go back to the biblical gospel and we tell them principles that help them share their faith.

Principles of addressing the conscience of doing what Jesus did, imitating what Christ did, what the apostle

Paul did, looking at scripture and say, what are we doing wrong according to scripture? And so we equip the body of Christ to effectively share the gospel, basically.

Excellent. And so we just want to kind of get into it. So you have done this for several decades now, just going on the street, going around, just talking to people from all sorts of different worldviews, different world religions.

And so we just kind of want to hear from you just about kind of your experiences just being on the street.

And also we'll talk later on just about some of the things you're doing now with your ministry here at Living Waters. When it comes to different cults and world religions, let's just kind of jump into it.

Who do you think you've had the most encounters with? I know there's videos of you talking with like Harry Krishnas, thinking about like Jehovah's Witnesses, Mormons, you have mediums, all sorts of different people.

Who have you encountered most commonly when it comes to the world of the kingdom of the cult, specifically in evangelism on the street?

Well, it's usually Mormons more than anything else, I guess. So then there's New Age and Huntington Beach, there's a lot of New Age people,

Southern California. It's basically just idolatry when it comes down to it. People have a wrong image of God's nature and character.

Even atheists are idolaters. They don't realize it. The chief pope of idolatry would be

Richard Dawkins. He created a concept of God, which is totally erroneous. He put all the nasty things he could find about the

Lord in the Old Testament and shaped this monster. And with no sense of justice or truth or love or mercy, and just all the harsh judgments of God and said, that's your

God, I don't want anything to do with him. But the God that Richard Dawkins doesn't believe in doesn't exist.

He's a figment of his imagination shaped to conform to his own sins. And so when it comes to all the cults, all the atheists, all the agnostics, it comes back to the old sin of idolatry, which plagued

Israel in the Old Testament. It was so prevalent, God saw fit to address it in the first two of the 10 commandments.

I'm the Lord, your God is no other gods before me. You should not make yourself a graven image of any likeness of anything.

And so people shape a God, not just with their hands, but with their minds. And that image of God is what shapes the way they walk, whether or not they fear

God. And that's what motivates the cult, whether it be Mormons, Jehovah's Witness, whatever, they don't see

God as being so righteous that they can't please him. So you've got the Mormon who says it's grace after all he can do.

The same with Jehovah's Witness, it's all to do with good works because what Jesus did on the cross wasn't good enough.

When he said it was finished, he wasn't finished. Same with the Catholics. Let's go back to it. You talk about cults and I don't know if I want to call

Catholicism a cult. I'll leave it up to you, but that's the most common person

I speak with as a Roman Catholic. They'll identify themselves as Roman Catholic, even if they're living in total rebellion to the

Roman Catholic church, they still tie themselves to it. I'm a Catholic. I was born in my family Catholic.

I don't go to church, but I'm a Catholic. And so they're the most common ones I would say for sure.

Yeah. What would you say? Because I think a lot of people when they look, they look at you and they see you as some sort of evangelist rockstar.

Like you have this special ability that no one else has. And again, you know, you're in people are in media so that now you can have like an online persona.

And also a lot of people sometimes think they have to become an expert on every single cult or world religion in order to confront them or share their faith with them.

Like how do you, what would you say to those people who think they have to be someone super special to in order to go do an evangelism, talk with a culture, just talk with someone from another worldview.

And also, but how would you also address someone who feels like overwhelmed? Like I have to know every little tidbit of Mormonism before I share my faith with them.

How would you respond to that? That's two questions. And one remind me if I don't get to the second one, which is how to respond to someone who's got all these doctrines that I think

I should learn about. First thing is about the rockstar thing. And it's like looking at a marathon runner that breaks the tape is 28 miles and burst through the tape.

And you run up to him and say, yeah, Whoa, you are so gifted. He's going to turn to you.

And ignorantly and say, what are you talking about? Gifted. See these muscles. That's from running 30 or 40 miles a week.

See this physique. I haven't touched chocolate or anything with sugar in it for years.

I've denied myself. I've fallen over bruised myself. It's been hard work, sweat and pain to get where I got today.

It's not a gifting. It's something I achieved because I wanted to achieve it. And you look at me, break the tape and say,

Whoa, he's just so gifted. No, I'm full of sweat, pain and suffering to get where I've got.

Bruised my knees up. I've fallen over. I put my foot in my mouth. The image is quite interesting.

I put my foot in my mouth. I've done things that are wrong and that's got me to where I am. And that means that you could also get hit.

You can be a marathon runner. If you want to, you can build up your own muscle. If you want to, you can deny yourself.

If you want to, to get the point, to get to the point where you break the tape. And so don't be discouraged.

Be encouraged. Many things in life that you did, you did because you wanted to do them. You began crawling as a baby.

You didn't lie on your back for the rest of your life and stay there. You turn over and you crawl.

You don't remember it. And then when you want to get up and walk, you began walking. You fell over and hit yourself.

You don't remember it. You wanted to ride a bike. You got on a bike, you got momentum. You fell off a lot, but you finally did it.

When you got in a car, you did it because you want to do it. You're unfair and trembling at first. And then you became confident. Confident.

And you did all those things because you wanted to do them. And so when it comes to evangelism, if you want to be proficient in sharing your faith, you've got to just do it.

You've got to get on the bike. You've got to get in the car. You got to stand up. You got to forget about yourself and say,

I'm not going to be worried about what people think of me. I'm going to be worried about where they're going to spend eternity. That's how you'll grow in, in your, in your abilities.

God's created us to do that. And every other area, it's exactly the same in evangelism. Second thing.

About knowing the doctrines of Jehovah's witnesses and Mormons and you age, you don't need to know that.

I'll tell you why. They've all got one thing in common. They're all works, righteousness, religions.

As I say, they've got a wrong concept of what God is like, and they think they can bridge the gap between them and God by doing things, whether it be facing

Mecca or fasting and praying, doing good works, taking the mess, whatever it is, they think they can please

God by doing that. All you have to do is learn how to do what Jesus did and annihilate their self -righteousness.

You've got to learn to take away from them, the parachute that's filled with holes that they're trusting in. And you do that by doing what

Jesus did with the rich young ruler, rich young ruler said, good master, what should I do to inherit eternal life?

What should I do? He thought he could do something. And Jesus said, why do you call me good? There's none good, but God, God is utterly morally perfect.

That's what it means to be good. That's what God's book says. And then he used the 10 commandments to annihilate his self -righteousness.

He said, you know, the commandments and he named five commandments and then snuck one in the middle that I think is very interesting.

Right in the middle of five commandments that he named, he said, do not extort.

Why would he say that to a young rich man? Do not extort. Would it be that he wasn't the good man that he was made himself out to be that he got as rich as by extortion.

It would seem that way. Why would Jesus bring it up? And he went away sorrowful because he is rich because he got his money illegitimately and money was his

God. And Jesus destroyed his false hope. And that's what we have to do.

Just go through the commandment. So do you think you're a good person? Yeah, I'm a really good person. And then say, how many lies he told ever stolen something.

Have you used God's name in vain? Yeah. Ever looked at a woman with lust. When you do that, commit adultery in the heart that destroys self -righteousness that takes away from them false hope to a point when they'll come out saying, what then should

I do? What must I do? Give me a personal earthquake as what happened with the

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Enjoy the podcast. Andrew, what questions do you have for Ray as we're jumping into this conversation?

Yeah, I'm wondering for out of all the decades you've been doing evangelism, how, how have you seen the culture in America sway?

How, where do you see it headed even going further on in the future? Well, it's got worse.

Obviously things have got far darker. Any kid at the age of nine or 10 can have access to hardcore pornography.

And what that's done is made them hate the light, the darker it is, the more they're going to hate the light, but we're center bounds.

There's much more grace of bound. Let me share with you a couple of my most powerful weapons. If I may, when it comes to sharing the gospel, one is the sinner's conscience.

He has a knowledge of right and wrong. When I bring up the commandments, the judge on the courtroom of his mind, the work of the law written upon his heart, bears witness with the commandments.

When I say you shall not steal, he knows he should not steal. When I say you shall not lie, he intuitively knows he should not lie.

It's wrong. Moral written upon his heart. Yeah. With a point of, with a point of a diamond.

So that's my, that's my confidence. I know this person is not ignorant of right and wrong.

He may have dulled his conscience, but we can resurrect it. We can say, Sticking Lazarus.

Conscience that has been covered up and it'll do its duty. Because it's God given. The second thing, and this is such an important thing.

And it's one, I think it's overlooked by many is that this sinner has a will to live.

Something in him says, Oh, I don't want to die. So what I do when

I talk to sinners is just say this ever read the Bible. I say, no. So, you know, it's the world's biggest selling book of all time.

Do you know what message is? And they say, not really. I said, the old Testament, God promised to destroy death.

And in the new Testament, he tells us how he did it. Yeah. That immediately puts salt on the tongue.

You know, it's been said, you can't lead a horse to water. You can, you can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink.

That's just not true. Cause you can salt the oats. You can make him desire water. You can create a thirst in him by putting salt everywhere.

Yeah. And you can create desire in the heart of the most hardened person by appealing to their will to live.

Now let me digress just a little and say, I eat poached eggs. I don't know.

You guys know what poached eggs are. Yes. Okay, good. I don't have to explain it. Sometimes Americans like fried egg.

Yup. Poached eggs boil in water. And for years, I've had a problem. That is you get fluff on the top of the poached egg.

When you boil it, it's like the stuff we use for ranks. It's just fluff and you have to scoop it away.

And then you don't know what to do with it off the spatula, put it down the drain or take it over and drip it everywhere. It's just annoying.

But one day, a couple of years ago, I put the lid on the frying pan and something amazing happened. The egg cooked 10 times quicker and there was no fluff.

And it was all because of the pressure. So keep that on your taste buds while we go somewhere else. Think of the thief on the cross and say, why was it that this thief blaspheme

Jesus? That's what the Bible says. And he riled against him or railed against him. And then he turned to Jesus and said,

Lord, remember me when you come into kingdom. What brought about the change? I believe there was a hidden truth there.

Number one, he had a knowledge of sin. He was not the, some people say just an ignorant guy turning to Jesus and getting saved.

No, no. He was a thief. He knew he had violated the eighth commandment. He said, we're here justly.

He wasn't saying the Romans justified and nailing us to crosses. He was saying we're dying justly.

I believe because he knew he had violated God's law. He was a Jew. I'd say being crucified, not a Roman. And so what was it that caused him to change from being hardened?

To being for being very soft. I believe it was pressure. The pressure caused the fluff to surface.

You see, most people know they're going to die sometime in the future, but what this guy on the cross suddenly realized he was going to be dead really quick.

The Romans were going to come break his legs and suddenly he'd be an eternity facing God that caused him to get rid of the fluff to get rid of the things that didn't matter.

It doesn't matter who you marry. It doesn't matter about your vocation. It doesn't matter about your wealth. What matters is that death is coming and what's going to happen to you after you die.

That's because you're not a beast. God has written eternity upon your heart. There's something new that says I don't want to die.

That was pressured up and spit up for the thief on the cross because he couldn't go anywhere.

He was crucified. Couldn't do anything with his hands. He was utterly helpless before death.

That's what the sinner feels like. And that's what we can speed up. And that's what's happened with COVID. Before COVID, we had millions of people that thought death was a long way away.

Don't even think about it. But COVID, everyone realized that death is right at the doorstep.

It's the grim reaper with his hand on our shoulder. All of us, we can be taken anywhere. That has been good for evangelism because it's caused a lot of people to get rid of the fluff.

So when I meet someone and I'll be going to the local college again today, I'll go up to someone and say, do you think there's an afterlife?

That's how I begin after I get the permission to interview them. And they say, I don't know. I say, are you afraid of dying?

And suddenly you see their eyes widen, like I've just looked into their soul and I've asked them a question.

They've never been asked, but it's a question that's plagued them. They haven't mentioned to mom, dad, brother, sister, friend, but there's something in them that haunts them.

Hebrews 2 verse 14, 15 says, every human being is haunted, haunted by the fear of death all their lifetime.

That's what the Bible says. And so we can tap into that. It doesn't matter who people are.

We can destroy their self -righteousness using the law and appeal to their will to live by saying that Jesus destroyed death and brought life and immortality through the gospel.

So if only the world knew what we had in Christ. Let me know if I'm talking too much.

No, this is really good, Ray. A question I have for you. Don't let me digress.

I'll just finish what I was saying. Think of a waitress in a restaurant.

She sees three men wearing three piece suits, carrying little important looking cases up to a table.

And they sit there and begin wheeling and dealing obviously millions of dollars. She doesn't feel at all intimidated because she knows she has what they want.

She'll walk straight up to these businessmen while they're talking and say, can I take your order? She just butts in.

Why? Because she knows she has what they want. They are there for food.

And so she's bold because of that. And what we've got to realize as Christians is that we have what the world wants more than anything else, everlasting life.

They just don't realize that. That's what Jesus said to the woman at the well, John chapter three. If you knew who it was that was speaking to you, you'd ask him and he'd give you a living water.

So to sum it, summary is that I have a boldness because I know the center has a conscience.

The work of the Lord is in his heart and they have a boldness because I know I have what this person wants.

They have a will to live. God has written eternity upon the heart. So I tap into both those things and that's what makes evangelism so uniquely effective by just popping what the scriptures say.

No, thank you, Ray. Speaking of effective evangelism, I just recalled listening to some of your old tapes a long, long time ago, and you were giving tactics of evangelism and I'm sure you're going to remember this.

You would talk specifically about when you are on the street, not to wear sunglasses when talking to someone, but you connected it to a specific cult leader.

Tell us about that. If you can. Yeah, that's, that's usually while I'm opening a preaching,

I'll take my sunglasses off. Sometimes we'll pull in a crowd wearing sunglasses, but we always take them off. And the reason for it, it's just common decency.

Really? If you're preaching the gospel, you let people see your eyes. Remember one guy who I really respect jumped up when

I was opening a preaching and began speaking to a crowd on a sunny day and he has sunglasses on and a guy in the crowd yelled out, don't you dare preach to me while wearing sunglasses.

And we know Jim Jones, the cult leader who, by the way, was an atheist. He was not a Christian. According to the

FBI, he was an atheist. So he's on their side, not ours. He always wore sunglasses.

I wear sunglasses often when I interview people, because my eye specialist says you've got really good eyesight.

If you want to keep your eyesight, make sure you wear sunglasses. So often I'll say to someone, do you mind if I wear sunglasses?

But usually in Southern California, the person I'm speaking to is wearing sunglasses anyway. So we get away with it because of the culture.

Andrew, what, what additional questions do you have when it comes to evangelizing the world of the cults, the world of the occult?

I mean, you do that regularly on Thursday nights up there in Utah. What's on your mind, Andrew? What are you thinking?

Yeah, I love, I love what you're saying, Ray. Essentially regardless of someone's background, regardless of where someone comes from, what cult they're in, what we do is we use the word of God because the word of God never returns void.

God knows the positions of people's hearts, right? So we appeal to that. Like the wages of sin is death.

God puts eternity in the hearts of men. So what we need to do is appeal to what God's word says about them.

Like what Ray said is we need to say they're going to die, right? The wages of sin is death.

They're sinners. And the solution is the gospel. My question for you, Ray, is how can you challenge some, maybe even some of our listeners that are scared to go preach the gospel, right?

They're scared of that, that boldness. You referenced that marathon runner earlier, just like breaking the tape.

And it reminded me of a second Peter chapter one verse five through eight. I'll just read it real quick.

It says for this very reason, make every effort to supplement your faith with virtue and virtue with knowledge and knowledge with self -control and self -control with steadfastness and steadfastness with godliness and godliness with brotherly affection and brotherly affection with love for if these qualities are yours and are increasing, they keep you from being ineffective, unfruitful in the knowledge of our

Lord Jesus Christ. So there's an effort that's being made just like the marathon runner who has denied sugar, who has been training their body for years.

So when they get through the tape, it's like, well, I've been working, working out my salvation with fear and trembling essentially.

So what, what, what could you say Ray to the Christian that may be unfruitful right now in that side of their lives?

How can you challenge them to get a more steadfast in their faith and to preach the gospel? Talking about fear, how do

I overcome fears? Well, I, I get fear every time. Yesterday I had one of the most fearful things

I had to do. I was invited to the Dr. Phil show to talk about the Bible and the antichrist.

And yeah, I saw your post about that. Yeah. I was so nervous.

You wouldn't believe how nervous I was. I usually really enjoy breakfast. I didn't enjoy my breakfast yesterday one bit because I, I had been invited on the show as a member of the audience was mic'd up.

So it was legitimate for me to speak, but I had to bat in and bring in the things of God into natural conversation.

And it was kind of nerve wracking when I'm open air preaching, I know where I'm going. And if I'm with Christians, you introduced me.

I wasn't even introduced. I just had a cold Turkey. So I was very nervous. Yeah. It was just for one minute.

But I got to be with a producer who was a Christian, prayed with her and gave her a book called how to be free from the fear of death and suggested doing a program.

And she agreed that'd be a great thing to do, especially with Dr. Phil because the fear of death plagues so many people, as I said.

So I have fears. I have fears when I approach him, but I, I, I liken it to a firefighter anything of a firefighter who arrives at a fire and he's expecting just put out a little sort of beach fire, but he looks at an apartment and looks up the fifth story.

There's a woman and two children leaning out of a window screaming in horror because she's going to burn to death in any moment.

So he's got to get up a ladder 60 feet tall. And he's got to reach out and take those kids. And is he horrified and terrified?

Absolutely. He'd rather be home with his wife and kids watching a, an old black and white movie or something rather than be here doing this climbing up a 60 foot ladder when there's flames everywhere, a woman screaming.

But what he does is he remembers he's a firefighter and he doesn't listen to his fears.

He doesn't think about himself. He thinks it about that woman and her fate and the fate of the two children. That's the key.

When I approach someone, I'm not thinking about myself. I'm thinking about their fate. If they die in this sentence, they're not going to Christless eternity.

They're not going to eternal separation from God. They're going to a very real hell and a lake of fire.

And that breaks my heart. And so that's my motivation. Others having compassion, making a difference, pulling them from the fire, hating even the garments spotted by the flesh.

Jude, I think 23. So that's the key. Forget about yourself. Let love swallow your fears.

If I could say to you, would you ever jump into a pond that was packed full of ice that was so cold, you'd die within two minutes of exposure.

You'd say, no, I never jump in. So what's that little four -year -old boy fell in a pond? His feet didn't touch the bottom and he began drowning.

What would you do? You wouldn't hesitate. You'd jump in and grab him. You'd forget about your flesh and the cold.

Love does that. Love casts out all fear and the waters of personal evangelism are freezing.

Charles Spurgeon called it an irksome task and it certainly is, but love conquers fear.

So that's, that's, that's the way I handled my fears. Okay. And I'm sure you get this in your

YouTube comment section and we get it on our reviews saying that our program is a, we're just another cult talking about cults.

A lot of people object and we'll say that biblical Christianity is a cult per se.

How would, I mean, with you being on the street and just in your experience, like just off the get -go, how would you immediately respond to that?

Oh, I'm just going to say that the truth is always hated. Men love darkness rather than light because the deeds of evil.

I find people that are antagonistic toward the things of God and call you a cult. You just got to say to them, when did you last look up pornography in those sales last night?

So there's your problem. You hate the light because you love the darkness. The same reason criminals hate the police.

So you grab derogatory terms and live in about 11 at us because you want to justify your love of pornography and your fornication with your gorgeous girlfriend.

So I don't take it to heart when I get insulted by people, I actually rejoice. But often we forget about what scripture says to do.

And let me tell you something that I find just wonderful. Atheists years ago did a horrible thing to me.

They started sitting around a meme that had a picture of me on it and then using my kind of type of language, the way

I speak, they said if I was told by God to sacrifice my children, like Abraham was told to sacrifice

Isaac, I would do it in a heartbeat because I love God. And this was a made up meme with my picture on it with little quotes was

Ray comfort to the bottom. And so I started getting emails all over the place around the world saying you rich, what a wicked man.

You'd sacrifice your children. They even called the police to come around home to investigate me because I would sacrifice.

Police came inside and they laughed. They said, where's your children? And I said, they're married with children. And they laughed and I showed them all the comments from atheists.

They laughed and laughed. But when things like that happen and you get called derogatory names, this is what

I do. I look at Luke chapter six. I think it is where Jesus said, when men revile you and persecute you and say all manner of evil against you falsely again, for my sake, he said leap for joy, rejoice and be glad, blah, blah.

Yeah. I didn't mean blah, blah. Not Jesus, but you know what I meant? Your name is written in heaven. We forget about the leap for joy.

Jesus said leap for joy when you're persecuted. And so one day I did that this horrible thing happened.

Can't remember what it was. It was just nasty. Couldn't have any control over it. So I went to my office and I actually physically left for joy and rejoiced.

And the moment I hit the ground, the door opened in my office and someone said, someone just gave the ministry 20 grand.

And I thought, man, I wish I'd left higher. It's like a joke. When, when you get persecuted and people say you're a cult, just rejoice.

They did the same thing with Jesus leap for joy, do a little leap. It'll make you laugh. Yeah, no, definitely. There's some good points there.

One of the thing I really love about your media as of late is that you are really doing, in my opinion, a really great job of just taking current events and honestly, things that a lot of, a lot of people would kind of be worrisome or I would even say like freak out about a little bit, but you use that as a catalyst to be able to talk about the gospel.

So one of them recently, you had done a video about this satanic video game by a

Nintendo switch. First of all, Ray, I mean, are you, are you a gamer at all? No, the only game

I play is chasing my wife around the house. Yeah. Tell us about like, why did you, how'd you come up about like making this piece of content?

Did someone to one, somebody else bring this up to you or what made you I read every comment usually.

And someone brought it up. They said, why don't you, this is a nasty game. And they told me when I find it. So I checked, I thought, I don't believe this.

This is just wicked to be exposed and Bible says in Ephesians to expose the works of darkness. Yeah. But you know, every now and then someone will say,

I think it's evil that you are promoting the stuff. But I have to write back and say, we're not promoting it.

We're using it as a springboard for the gospel as Paul did an X, Jack and the seven scene. I says, look at the views.

This has had a million views. A million people have got to hear the gospel because of the springboard of this nasty game and the book of Acts, Paul, the apostle quoted

Greek secular, godless poets. Yeah. He quoted them.

Why did he do that? I mean, that's just the ungodly. Yeah. He did it springboard because he knew his heroes would identify it.

Often we'll do that. We'll take a subject, a celebrity that I find contemptible, but still use that celebrity to get the attention of the ungodly or even godly because celebrity is huge.

You know, so many programs and magazines that just do what a celebrity's drink. What are they eat? What car do they drive?

What are they like? What are the dislike people are infatuated with the celebrity. So we use that as a springboard to reach the ungodly.

Have you ever had any encounters with celebrities? I know you wrote the book, what Hollywood believes, which is one of my, one of my favorite books that I purchased a long time ago.

What about that? Just with being on the street, have you ever had an encounter with anybody quote unquote famous?

I mean, Yeah. Have you heard of Arnold Schwarzenegger? Oh, you know what?

I, in passing, in passing. Did I tell you here, did you hear about my encounter

I had with him? No, I have not heard about this. We had a short conversation. Let me share it with you.

I was standing in Santa Monica. This is in the late 1990s when Arnold Schwarzenegger and Maria Shriver walked past.

It was his then wife. And I thought, well, why is men follow stars?

So follow these people. And so I followed them and they went into the

Gap clothing store. Have you heard of the Gap? Yes. So I went round to a side door, went into the

Gap. And there I was standing in the Gap for Arnold Schwarzenegger when he approached me.

Now I became starstruck. He wasn't as tall as what I thought. And instead of saying,

Hey, how you doing? I enjoy your movies, which I don't, but I would have thought of something like that. I just went to give them a gospel track and he just went, no.

And walked on. And that was the conversation I had with Arnold Schwarzenegger.

That's pretty, that's a pretty intense. No. Like I literally visualized that in Arnold's voice.

Yes. Very deep. No. And he's big muscles. He used to have a free frizzled like the rest of us. He could have picked me up and just snapped me.

He was protecting his wife. Oh yeah. But God was in control.

The Lord must have thought, Oh, these old comfort wrecking things. And a 12 year old boy that used to preach with us on the soapbox, he had memorized all these wonderful things about Jesus and the

Bible. And this little blurb that lasted three minutes, he went and shared that with Maria Shriver downstairs in the

Gap he'd followed to. And then she said to Arnold, come and listen to this.

And he listened to, to that blurb that he gave. And so it was a wonderful experience, but listen to this, this is the power of celebrity.

And those days I would be usually get about nine or 10 people come with me every

Friday night. Yeah. About three open air preach. That was our team. The night after Arnold Schwarzenegger, he came through the next

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Thursday nights and they've run across some interesting characters. One, Andrew, tell them about that. You have a guy who's, who's a prophet.

Tell him about that. Maybe you could see if Ray has any similar stories as well too. No, that's good.

I was going to actually ask Ray about this actually in terms of the most interesting people that he's ever spoken with.

Well out in Utah, there's this one man who he doesn't say he's a prophet, right? But he does say that the things that he says could be written down like the words in the

Bible. So we essentially call this man the prophet of Provo. But when speaking with these people, which I'm sure you have so much experience with this, there's always something different that's going on.

And before we started this podcast, we did a prayer and Ray was praying and mentioned, you know, that essentially we're, we fight not a battle of flesh and blood, but about about these invisible powers that are around us.

Like Ray, Ray, what is, what's one of the craziest experiences that you've had with people that may be oppressed or possessed in a way?

And how do you go about that in your conversations? How do you handle that situation? Very carefully.

I don't try and cast demons out of people. And there's a reason for that. I've had experience in that in the past where demons will manifest.

But the reason for it is if you cast a demon out of a person that's not repentant, they're going to get seven times worse.

Jesus said that. So I really don't want to do that to someone who's who's non -repentant because their sin opens the door to the, to the demonic forces.

Let me share one illustration of someone who was probably demon possessed, but it was my fault for provoking as Paul.

I don't know if Paul was at fault when he said to that, that when he cast the demon out of that woman, all hell broke loose and he ended up in jail in a

Philippian jail to come to the earthquake and all. But we don't know if Paul did that, which is right when he, after many days he lost his patience with her and cast the demon out, but he waited for many days.

I was preaching in Santa Monica had a crowd of about 30 or 40 people. And this woman called out young lady.

She called out the F word twice, really loud and describing me. And so I said to her, and I shouldn't have said this.

I said, madam, can you watch your language? There are ladies present that really upset her.

When I said that, she says, I'm a lady, ma 'am. You may be a woman, but you are certainly not a lady of that.

She ran at me like a bat out of heaven and then started beating me up. Like it wasn't the usual way that women fight.

It wasn't scratch, scratch and pull. It was like Mike Tyson's sister or something.

she got in six punches and I was on the ground and my team pulled her off and held onto her.

And she said, let me get my hand bag and they let her go. And she got in a kidney punch really hard. It took two weeks of the bruising to go, but she doubled my crowd.

She can come back anytime, but it was, that was totally my fault, but she was probably demon possessed.

I would say. There are a couple of other things that I'd like to mention that I think are very relevant to what we're talking about.

When I meet someone in a cult, I want to find out what they're trusting in. And the way

I do it, and I've done it for years, is I say this, there's a knife in my back. I've got three minutes to live.

How can I enter the kingdom? If I'm talking to a Jehovah's Witness, that's the language I use. Knife in my back, three minutes to live.

How can I enter the kingdom? And so many times I've seen them immediately flounder. They go, well, what do you have?

I say, come on, I've got two and a half minutes to live. I'm dying. I've got a knife in my back. I want to enter the kingdom. Tell me what I should do.

They say, you really need to study and you need knowledge. I say, I haven't got time for knowledge.

You need to pray. I'm already praying. I'm dying. I'm terrified. I've broken the commandments. I've committed adultery in my heart.

I've looked at pornography. I've lied and stolen. Help me. What can I do to be saved? And they say, well, you have to live a life.

I say, I haven't got time to live a life. It's now one minute to go. And the Jehovah's Witness will say, in the end,

I can't help you. I can't help you. They don't know why, because they're not trusting in God's grace.

They're not trusting in the cross. But Jesus said it is finished. Same with Mormons. You can do the same thing with Mormons.

Anyone that's just do the three minutes to live and put pressure on them and say, I've got one minute. Help me.

And that's how I can't help you. We've got videos of it happening. So that's very effective with cults. And so from there, when someone says,

I can't help you, I say, well, look, let me ask you a question. Do you think you're a good person? And they invariably say, yes,

I am a good person. That's their problem. They're still trusting in their own righteousness, because they're ignorant of God's righteousness.

And that's when I bring in the law to annihilate their self -righteousness, point them to the cross. And the second most effective thing that I've discovered in the last five or so years, and I use it a lot.

It's so very powerful. And that is, I say to the people I'm witnessing to, and you can see this a lot on a

YouTube channel. Do you know what death is? And they usually say, no, it's just the end of life.

No, no, no. The Bible actually defines death. It tells us what death actually is.

It says death is wages. And I say, wait, wages? I say, it's like a judge in a court of law looks at a criminal.

It's murdered three women. And the criminal says, judge, this was not a serious crime.

These were prostitutes. These were the scum of the earth. I was doing society a favor. I can't be charged with murder for them.

And the judge says, I'm going to show you how serious your crime is. I'm giving you the death sentence.

This is your wages. This is what's due to you. This is your payment. This is what you've earned. I turn to the person and say, sin is so serious to a holy

God, he's given you the death sentence. This is your wages. This is what's due to you.

And your death is evidence that God is deadly serious about sin.

Like the criminal, when he hears the death sentence, suddenly sees that his transgression was very serious. So sinners, when they realize what death is, suddenly see that sin may not be serious in their eyes, just steal little things, just a little bit of lust, a little fornication.

Who doesn't fornicate? In God's eyes, it's worthy of the death sentence. Lying lips are abomination to God.

And so I found that to be very, very effective. And when I share that scenario with people, almost always they will listen to the gospel and want to get right with God because they've suddenly seen how serious sin is.

And one of the things, I'll just share a story with you very, very quickly, Ray, and you can give me your thoughts. I had a couple months ago,

I was chatting with two young men. Jehovah's Witnesses have finally come back out into the woodwork.

They kind of disappeared for a while due to COVID. I was talking to two young men, and we started off the conversation talking about Jesus and who he was.

Is he God? And they were saying, no, he's Michael the Archangel. And that seemed to be going back and forth.

And all of a sudden I just felt led to take him through the 10 commandments. And when I went to using

God's name in vain, I asked him, in other words, when you stub your toe, and instead of saying a swear word, you say

Jesus Christ. Both of them immediately had deer in the headlights. And I said, that's blasphemy, right?

And it's like, so they're from the intellect. They are arguing from the intellect that Jesus wasn't

God, but they knew that using his name instead of a swear word was blasphemy.

So it's like their conscious contradicted their own theology. And I began to see them like really be convicted.

And that's not anything that I did. It was just where the Lord led me. Have you had a similar experience with someone on the street when it comes to specifically using that commandment, when it comes to someone from either a cultist or a different world religion?

Yes. Yes. And I'll just, you brought me a thought to mind that I think is very relevant to what we're saying and in your experience.

I would never try and convince a Jehovah's Witness that Jesus is God. Yeah. I'll tell you why

Peter said to Jesus, or Jesus said to Peter, who Lord, who do. Jesus said to Peter, who do men say that I am?

Yeah. And Jesus said, some say you're John the Baptist, blah, blah, blah. And he says, he said, who do you say

I am? And he said, you're the Christ, the son of a living God, the deity of Christ. Yeah. Basically what he's saying.

And then Jesus said this, blessed are you Peter for flesh and blood has not revealed this to you, but my father who was in heaven.

So my thought is I'm not going to try and argue intellectually who Jesus is because they've got their scriptures that they're ready.

They've got their little Gatling gun ready to fire. I'm just going to shut them up under the law and let God tell them who

Jesus is. And I became a Christian. I didn't know who Jesus was. I knew he was the savior and he was the son of God.

I was about a two week old Christian when I suddenly read in John 14, where I think one of the disciples said, show us the father.

And Jesus said, do you not hear? No. And it just blew me under the floor.

Let me give an illustration. Illustrates why it blew me onto the floor.

This is going to sound really weird unless you're a dog lover. There's my dog there.

That's Sam. And I take him out every day and he gets me interviews. People say,

I love your dog. And I just ride up on my bike. People come up and go, I like your dog. If you're not a dog lover, you're going to think

I'm weird. But I actually talk to my dog and he talks back to me. I say, how are you doing

Sam? Good day? Did you have a good sleep? It's just chatting away. He tells me when there's someone at the door, he'll tell me when he wants to eat.

He'll tell me when he sees a cat. I can tell by his body language and his bark, what's going on, whether he's upset, whatever.

So we have this communication thing. Now here's my point. One of my favorite things in life.

We've got a big sheepskin rug in our lounge and living room. I lie on the sheepskin rug sideways and immediately comes around.

He knows what's going to happen. He comes around to me. He lies down and I grab him by the ears, pull him up close and we have a chat.

I go eye to eye with him. And I say, we had a good time today, Sam, on the bike.

And when I say bike, his eyes go like that. I say, you saw a cat, didn't you? And I see him processing thoughts in his eyes.

It's quite amazing. Immediately, as soon as I lay down his tail wags when he lies down beside me, his tail wags because the master is coming down to go eye to eye.

God came down to go eye to eye with you and me. And if that doesn't make your tail wag, something is wrong with you as a

Christian. The fact that God was manifest in the flesh just thrills my heart.

The almighty God that created the sun and the moon, the stars, that knows every atom intimately that makes up that whole immense sun, that God became one human being and spoke and walked on water and broke bread and raised the dead.

That's real to my heart. And so evangelism for me is an overflow of that joy, an overflow of knowledge that I have of who

God is, who Jesus is and what he accomplished at the cross. Yeah. No, that's, that's really good.

Thank you so much, Ray. And I love the fact that you just bring it back to the centricity of the gospel.

Cause again, I think that even people will look at the different topics that we cover and feel that they have to know every little intricacy, but in many ways, it's, it's reality's amount.

It's just a matter of keeping it simple. I think of like Bruce Lee, I fear the man who's kicked the same kick a thousand times.

And you know, with you bringing the law, I mean, that's essentially the same thing about how you bring conviction to someone.

I think a question I have real quickly, this is, I was just curious about our friends at the

Babylon Bee. Most people know about them with the different funny satire articles I do every day.

They had an interview a while back with Elon Musk. I enjoyed the interview.

A lot of people kind of gave them heat at the end of that, that interview where they tried to present the gospel to Elon Musk.

A lot of gave him a lot of people gave him a lot of flack and you could even see it on their comment section.

You did a video that was, I thought was excellent, but then not only did it get a lot of good feedback, you ended up being on to actually talk with the guys in their studio.

I'm just curious, like what was your, when you saw that video, like what was your heart behind putting that constructive criticism together?

And then how did that, how did that become a catalyst to talk to the guys on the Bee? Yeah, I love

Babylon Bee. I think they're an oasis in a world of just desert of human liberals.

Just for them to say something funny, we show it to each other and we just laugh and it's like a little consolation of what's going on.

I laughed a couple of times this morning as well too, with something you shared. It's so, you know, you fret yourself, but you know, you're like a lot who was vexed.

So I spend most of my life vexed by what's going on in the world. And suddenly there's this funny thing that gives you a little joy in the middle of it.

But when I saw what happened with Elon Musk, I was utterly horrified at their lacking of biblical knowledge.

When it came to sharing the gospel, I couldn't believe what they said because I could, I've always felt that Elon Musk is crying out for God.

He is like Solomon on steroids. You know, vanity, vanities.

His marriages are broken up. He's the richest man on earth. And he's got this little house that he lives in.

It's like Solomon's temple. He's talking about going to Mars.

He's that frustrated with what's on earth and wants to go and send people to Mars.

That's really a dumb idea, by the way. If I was to talk to him, I'd say, look, what, instead of going to Mars, why don't you just create a big dome in the

Mojave desert in California, put air conditioning in it and let all the homeless live in there.

And that would at least less difficult than trying to start life on Mars. We'd need the same sort of dome, whatever.

But anyway, my heart is cried out for Elon Musk. And all I needed to say to him was, Elon, what's, what's going to happen when people die, where are you going?

And let him pour his heart out. I would give my right arm, well, my right hand, my pinky to witness to Elon Musk in that situation because of who he is and the influence and the cry of his heart.

And so I would rather build bridges than burn them. Instead of coming on and making a video saying, you guys are just crazy.

What do you think you're doing? Just say, look, I understand their nervousness. Look, Elon should have heard the gospel, blah, blah.

And I didn't burn a bridge between me and them. And they knew that they'd done something wrong because their reaction.

So they invited me to come on and we had a great time. Really neat guys. And I was so pleased that I didn't rail against them, but kept our friendship, which

I think is very valuable. We're too quick as Christians to stand in a circle and have a shooting session.

Yeah. No, I, if you study a ministry, you're very really will I say anything negative about other ministries?

There's only one, I think, one televangelist from the nineties from Texas who was absolutely devastating, who would just say, send us $1 ,000.

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I even appreciate about even the interview, even with that part at the end, which a lot of people say they kind of botched the end of the interview, even

Elon's response that he gave, like you saw his real humanity and his real need for Jesus.

And I think you really saw even his, even in his answer to how they did it at the very, very end.

But I think just seeing again, how you took an opportunity, which a lot of people were just venting their frustration you saw as a way to be constructive and use as a couch for the gospel,

Andrew, what's what's on your mind right now? Do you have questions about that or what else are you thinking about right now? Yeah.

It seems to me that a big key for having a good Christian walk is first, of course, always like first Peter three 15 says separate crisis

Lord in your heart. But in terms of doing that, it's having that mind in you that is also in Christ Jesus and the form of humility.

And that's a great attitude to have, even in every conversation that you're having with someone else, like you, you were also going to hell and then

God saved you. So when you're speaking with anybody, have that mind in you that you want to help rescue them by preaching to them the gospel.

And I love that Ray, the Lord has used you in that way because whenever I watch your videos, it's always that same consistent approach in terms of you just being a regular human being, having a conversation with people and sharing with them the gospel.

And you use that the same way when talking to people from, let's say Babylon B for example, even if you were to talk to Elon Musk, it's a, it's that humble mind in a sense that makes it a little bit easier to, to share the gospel.

That's kind of what I'm thinking about right now. Yeah. When Jesus spoke to the

Pharisees, his motivation was love. Why do you rebuke the Pharisees? Well, you rebuke because you want the person to repent.

And we don't know how many of those nasty Pharisees ended up on the day of Pentecost receiving the

Holy spirit. We just don't know. And so I like to see the nastiest person as a potential sort of tasks.

You know, I pray regularly for a number of atheists. I pray for Lawrence Krauss, Richard Dawkins, all those guys every night have done for years.

And Richard Dawkins is pretty much on his death bed. He's really old now. And I just pray that he'll think about the stupidity of atheism.

Atheism is so intellectual suicide. An atheist believes the scientific impossibility that nothing created everything.

That's just crazy. It doesn't make any sense. And they sit back and think they're intellectual just as the Bible says, professing themselves to be wise.

They became fools. They're wise. It's such intellectual stupidity that nothing wasn't, there was nothing in the beginning.

An atheist believes nothing was the creative force that made everything. Nothing can't create anything because it's nothing.

It's crazy. So when we think about spiritual warfare and specifically just, and you probably see it up front, given that your ministry is based in California, we're in a, we're pretty much in a free fall into Neopaganism.

Like just, just with our culture in general, do you think there's a danger though for people to be able, even though it says our battle is not against flesh and blood to make that the battle?

I mean, you sometimes you see the people out in Santa Monica or even the pictures of some of the people that seem intimidating that you're witnessing or that are hostile.

Do you think there's a temptation lines, a lot of times for Christian to have the focus be on the person versus the spiritual warfare behind it?

Yeah. I keep in mind that I'm wrestling not against flesh and blood and I can see it so often when

I'm coming to the gospel, when I'm witnessing on the videos and I've actually edited a lot out where I'm talking to someone,

I say, now, let me share the gospel with you. We broke God's law and Jesus came and paid the fine.

At that moment, the person will go like this. They'll be distracted by a bird a hundred yards away.

And I have to say, listen to me. This is very important. I want you to listen and often

I have to do that because there's distractions and I know that it's a demonic battle that we face and we've got to remember that, but we mustn't be focused on it.

Right. Just keep in mind on the person because you are talking to flesh and blood. You're appealing to a human being that you want to be saved.

So yeah, I've gotten the back of my mind that it's a spiritual battle, but I'm very, very aware that this person desperately needs to get saved.

Yeah. And then I remember, I just was in going through a couple of your videos as a playlist and it's kind of bouncing around to different thoughts and different ideas.

One of the videos that bounced across was about, I think it was in New York and there was somebody who is a, either the warlock or a wizard who would heckle you, but you create a friendship with him.

Tell us about that just really quickly if you could, because I think it's really relevant given we deal with a lot of new age topics and we try and reach out to people similar to that person that you encountered.

Yes, this was way back when I was in New Zealand and the city of Christchurch, my hometown city of 350 ,000 people.

I began opening a preaching and I befriended a guy there who was known as the wizard. He was very well known, a great speaker, very anti -Christian.

He looked on me as a low down Bible bashing Baptist, even though he wasn't a Baptist, he was a high Anglican and he wasn't born again, totally offended by the gospel.

And I thought to myself that Jesus could call Judas friend as he betrayed him,

I can make this guy, my friend. So I began giving him birthday presents, Christmas presents, invited him home for lunch or dinner, whilst dinner.

And we became great friends to a point where he'd, he was a nationally known or internationally known figure.

He would get 300 people pack around his ladder to hear him speak regularly. He was really funny.

He would say things like, why do we pay our doctors when we're sick? They've got no incentive to make us well, we should pay them $10 a month when we're well, and then they'd have an incentive to keep us well.

Just a lot of really fun things like that. It made you laugh. And he would allow me to get up on his ladder and preach to his crowd of 300.

He'd say, come on, right, come and share a word. And it's because we were friends. And so we can do that with anyone.

You know, I, I regularly give out, do you know what? In -N -Out cards are, In -N -Out hamburgers, they're the best burgers in the world.

Every day I give out cards to people. If someone does an interview, I say, here's a cup of In -N -Out cards for lunch today, just as a thank you for doing this interview.

And one thing that I absolutely love doing, and I do it every day, is I go straight into this college and I ride around until I find someone to witness to and who wants to come on camera.

Invariably, most people say, no, I'd rather not. I say, is it because you're shy? And they say, yeah, I'm really shy.

I say, well, no, you're not. You're talking to a complete stranger, me. I'll give you a couple of In -N -Out cards if you give me an interview as a thank you.

And they say, no. And then I say, well, here's the cards anyway. And you should see their reaction.

I wish I'd get it on camera, but I can't because they haven't got their permission. You can have the cards anyway.

Their eyes just light up. They say, what? Thank you so much. Because that world out there is very cold.

And so when you show love for a stranger, it's very, very powerful.

And that's why Christians should let their light shine, let their love shine to non -Christians. Give away things.

Keep a few gift cards on you and just give them to someone for no reason. And then give them a check out.

I always give them my YouTube channel card and say, you might like to check it out, whatever.

But it's very powerful to let your light shine in that respect. Wow. No, thank you. What are you, what are you thinking,

Andrew? Yeah. I have an interesting question for you. Cause we were talking earlier and you mentioned, which it's, it's absolutely true that everyone fears death essentially.

Maybe there's that runoff person who doesn't, you know what I mean? But regardless, I mean, that's what

God says about people. So why do you think that the culture that fears death is also a culture of death, right?

Like thinking about abortion and a life of non -procreation or gender confusion.

Why is a culture that's so afraid of death? So pro -death you think, Ray? Well, that's a good question.

They've got no answer to death really is the grim reaper you get. It's just the, the, the evil and the weirdness of human nature.

And let me qualify that. I don't believe anyone is sane until they come to Christ based on the

Bible. You talk to a psychologist, they can't define sanity. There's no definition of sanity in psychology.

If he thinks you're nuts, you talk to your dog. He talks back to you. You're crazy. We need to lock you up.

When we come to Christ, we receive the spirit of power, love, and a sound mind.

The man who was possessed, Legion, when he was delivered of his demons, he was fully clothed and in his right mind.

Yeah. Conversion puts us in our right mind. So we've got a world that's absolutely insane. I would not watch a horror movie.

Today's horror movies are just absolutely disgusting because you're filling yourself with images that are kind of come back and horrify you.

It's just death and darkness. So I think it is a culture of death because men love darkness and not realizing that the darkness they love is very, very real.

That death as Satan has dominion over those, if they serve him.

It says he goes about as a roaring lion seeking whom he may devour. That's a word of permission. So they're in the kingdom of darkness.

They love the darkness. They revel in darkness. And part of that darkness is that culture of death. And when we come to Christ, everything changed.

You know, when I was saved, the second I was changed, I became pro -life, pro one man, one woman, because God wrote his law upon my heart and calls me to walk on statutes.

So what a wonderful gospel we have that could transform people's minds and hearts. Oh, definitely.

And again, that's so good. And again, Ray, I really appreciate you making the time here. Real quick,

I'm just curious. You've had a lot of encounters, a lot of stories throughout the year. I remember really adamantly watching through.

I ordered all the DVDs forever ago of Way of the Master a long time ago. But do you have any like stories?

Do you have a story that you maybe have never told, an encounter that you maybe never told anyone that's like very unique that maybe you could just share with us?

Just anyone that comes to mind. I know you have the go -to stories, but is there anything that's like kind of unique that's a unique story that you haven't told anyone?

No, I'm a blabbermouth. This is one that just I find amazing.

And that is a guy named Mario. I don't know if you've watched the video. It's called Mario. I don't know if it's called

Mario. That was the name of the guy, but he just started weeping as I was talking to him. He was a young guy, very handsome.

He's just standing by a tree about half a mile away. And I went past him on my bike. I thought, will

I stop? Well, I will. I turn around. He'll say no. Straight away.

And he was very proud, self -righteous, almost arrogant. And as we went through the commandments into the gospel,

I noticed a tear drop from his eye. You can't see it on camera because of the angle. It just ran down his cheek.

And then another one. And then it becomes evident on camera that he's weeping. But when I saw that first tear, I was horrified.

Because this guy was weeping over his own sins. And I didn't want to wreck this. It's like when your wife's having a baby and the doctor says, you take over.

You say, no, I don't want to wreck this. This is life. And so I was in fear and trembling, but it went very, very well.

But I just says, are you sorry for your sins? And he just says, yes. And he's just weeping his heart out.

And I said, do you want to repent and come to Christ? He says, yes, like that. And five minutes earlier, he was arrogant and self -righteous.

And yet the Holy Spirit came upon him so evidently. And that's one that just thrills my heart.

And often when I go out on my bike, which I will be soon. I look at my dog and say, OK, hope you see a cat.

I hope God brings a Mario to me today and pray that happens. Because we need more

Mario's people who will be aware of their sins and have genuine contrition. Yeah, no, definitely.

And then, yeah, maybe as we wrap up here, I mean, we have a broad audience here.

You know, we deal with it specifically likes of the cult, new age, world religions, but a lot. Do you have just,

I mean, off the go, like any final words that you have just for our audience? I mean, kind of people are familiar with you and your ministry.

And we're talking about evangelism with the cults. Do you have kind of any final words or anything on your heart you'd like to share as we wrap up here?

Last words? Sure. I'm dying. Last interview with you ever.

Yeah, you heard it here first. Yeah. Don't listen to your fears. Don't let discouragement come upon you.

The word discouragement is very interesting. Discouragement. Satan wants to discourage you.

Take your discourage or take your courage from you. Bible says of Jesus, he was never discouraged. He shall not fail nor be discouraged.

Keep your joy because the joy of the Lord is your strength. And imitate my wife and myself when we don't watch our rugby team when we know they're going to lose.

You say, what are you talking about? The best rugby team in the world is the All Blacks. When we watch it, we get stressed.

If we're watching live. And stress is not good for someone my age. I'm coming up to 73 and if I have a stretch,

I'll just drop dead. Stress, it's a killer. And I cannot watch our football team, rugby team play without having to leave the room.

I get so stressed. So Sue and I, we won. We found out we won. We'll watch the replay knowing we won.

And you say, doesn't that take the excitement out of it? We never get stressed through the whole game.

The other team hoot and holler when they score. We just smile because we know in the last five seconds, we score and we win.

And so the Christian needs never get distressed. Never do we suffer from stress because we know that we win.

God wins over the devil. Righteousness wins over sin. And God's kingdom is coming to this earth and God's will is being done on this earth as it is in heaven.

It's going to be done. And so always keep your eye on the victory. Jesus shall not fail nor be discouraged.

Why was he never discouraged? Because scripture says he shall not fail. God is for us. Nothing can be against us.

We win. Therefore, keep your peace and joy. Though there's threats of atomic warfare, threats of worldwide starvation, threats of violence.

Take no notice. God's in total control. Nothing takes him by surprise. He'll win in the end.

So keep your joy. Excellent. All right. Well, Ray, I appreciate you really taking the time here.

And I'm sure you've got a busy day ahead of you. So, again, thank you so much for coming on. And if you all enjoyed this conversation, make sure you let us know what you thought.

Please leave a comment on our social media. Oh, one last thing, Ray. What are you thinking? LivingWaters .com

is the website. Yes, LivingWaters .com. That's where we'll be able to find out more about you. YouTube channel too.

It's just Ray Comfort YouTube or LivingWaters YouTube. You can find that. Okay. Appreciate that.

I got to jump that. Did the car before the horse there a little bit. Definitely a great website. A lot of great resources. A lot of great track.

Just real quickly. I remember you had the million dollar build. I remember using on the street the trick card, the two.

It was like the blue and pink slip where you make them different from each other. Have you made any interesting tracks as of lately?

Or what's the most interesting track you've ever made? We've made lots of them. You can see all the tracks. They're all unique.

People want more. Non -Christians ask for more. So you can just see them by just clicking on store and looking at tracks on LivingWaters .com.

Excellent. Thank you for that. Absolutely. Absolutely. All right. And I appreciate you all listening in. And as always, a program like Coltis cannot continue without your support.

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