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May 12, 2022
TOM ERTL, founder of Zurich Publishing, who will address:
“RETRIEVING the FORGOTTEN GIANTS of the REFORMATION OUT FROM OBSCURITY”
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Good Afternoon, Cumberland County, Pennsylvania. Lake City, Florida. And the rest of humanity living on the planet Earth. Who are listening via live streaming at iron sharpens iron radio .com. This is Chris Arnzen your host of iron sharpens iron radio wishing you all a happy Thursday on this twelfth day of May 2022 and I have been urged very Enthusiastically to get today's guest on the program.
This is his first appearance on iron sharpens iron radio and Dr. Joseph C. Moorcraft the third especially has urged me to interview today's guest and his lovely wife Becky. I'm speaking of Tom Erdl, and he is founder of Zurich publishing and today We're going to be addressing retrieving the forgotten giants of the Reformation out from obscurity.
And it's my honor and privilege to welcome you for the first time ever to iron sharpens iron radio Tom Erdl.
Thank you Chris. Enjoy. Yes, and I'm sure I will enjoy interviewing you and.
Tell us about Zurich publishing.
And I mean the Swiss word and so that's why I named it so and I understand that you had quite a.
Providential meeting years ago with a brother in Christ who really Led you on a further path to have further Passion for These reformers who whom you are attempting to retrieve from obscurity. And why don't you tell us about this?
This meeting with this brother which occurred in Switzerland during a a Trip that you Went on to Switzerland and met Jean-marc Berthold.
Yeah, I love telling the story because John it's Jean-marc Berthold. Oh, sorry for the mispronunciation I never took a course in it. So you're an American so we don't know other languages. Yeah, it was St. Gallen Basel burn the key cities of the Reformation of the reformed faith there and then at the end of the trip.
Went to Lausanne didn't have a chance to go new Chateau or Geneva. A similar book. I heard it's pronounced you knew.
I.
Wanted to do a pictorial book on the Reformation so I went throughout German Switzerland mostly and took pictures. Met people at the minster we can get into that if we talk about Bollinger at all today, and so I went through out.
All I went to all the homes that but the founder of the reformed faith was Ulrich Zwingli. So I went to his in wild house in Togenberg up in the Alps and his original home of like 550 years the hut or the the law cabin is still there and that was really a fascinating trip there and When you when you look at Zwingli's home and his surroundings and his dad was a cattleman.
You you understand Zwingli's personality. He was alpha male. He was our Luther in the reform realm. But anyways went through everything I could on Zwingli went to Bollinger's hometown of Bremen Bremgarten information his burn.
It was a lot of stories up from today then went to Basel. So saw Rasmus's last residence and and Fortunately, it's a rare bookstore. So it have to be that for Rasmus's home and then his crypt was in the minster the Basel minster.
So and Anyways went throughout there then so took as many pictures as I could develop contacts and it was really excellent then on the way my last visit was in Lausanne because I had read of Pierre V Ray who was Calvin's club and in Pierre V Ray the three and so I read of him R .J Rush doing he and this man I never heard of John Mark Baird to all those on Switzerland knew that V Ray was from there.
So I then one day I said John Mark, I'm coming to Switzerland I want to see I'm interested in more information on V Ray want to take some pictures. He says come on over so he at the time. He ran a bookstore just down from the Cathedral called the La Prue.
And so on the very end of the trip the last really the second last day. I think I took an extra day. I just needed one more day of good food in Europe before I came back to Florida, you know and. So my second last day I was in Lausanne and it was a very providential meeting.
I went there early. Well mid mid morning, maybe and so I I I laid down with John Mark. And I knew he was a scholar from the article that I read. What I wanted to do on a pictorial book on the on the Protestant Reformation specifically the Swiss Reformation.
So he's looking at it. He's going over my ideas and he kind of pushes it aside and he said this is good. But if you really want to do something really important, you need to translate those two books over there.
So he points on his table on the table of the bookstore in the book. The blue one is the first volume of Pierre V. Ray's Christian instruction, which is I think three or four. I think it's three volumes maybe four and I think they just completed the fourth volume.
So a man by the name of Lewis Hofer. Who's associated John Mark at a time? I think he's passed away had translated V rays you know parallel to I think really in many ways superior to Calvin's Institutes and.
And then he said a new day of small beginnings in Bible in the Bible. And if you really want to do something important, you need to translate those two books. Into English and we can get into court y 'all later if you like.
So from there, so he got me interested from there. This was July of 2004. He took me up to the cathedral up the market steps. And if you look in the book the B rate book that Rebecca sheets did the biography we have a picture of John Mark.
We have the market steps that all pictures in the book. So he took me up to the cathedral so we entered the cathedral and he said over there in the altar area is Where V ray held many of the classes he said he told me and I didn't know this at the time.
That before there was the Geneva Academy for 23 years. V ray oversaw the academy here. And the instruction was in the cathedral and the buildings associated with the cathedral which we have in the V ray book.
And then he said this is what got me and it's my favorite catechism. I interviewed.
Greg Bonson before I was even a talk show host. Steve Schlissel Knew that I was going to be a talk show host. He had just a great confidence. He wasn't saying that as a prophetic declaration, but he proved to be right.
But he said I know you're going to be a talk show host one day and I want you to interview Greg Bonson in my Study. This was after the morning worship service when dr. Bonson preached at Messiah's Congregation in Brooklyn.
Yeah, and I had the Delight of interviewing. Dr. Bonson, but the tragedy of losing the tape.
Debray was here and you know Debray wrote I think in 1561. Yeah, I think. William Bokestein.
A.
Biography and to say this but my favorite confession of faith is the Belgic. It's not the Westminster Don't tell dr. Morecraft that because he just wrote an extensive work on the Westminster beer I'm not he's a real mentor of mine and John Mark.
I Don't know if anybody in the states that is anywhere near his level of theological and historical depth I mean, it just it astounds me all of what he knows and I mean, there's just nobody We know in the press cheering around me anywhere near him.
I Recently I wrote him and I said you must know who Jacques a Lewis and I've got Jacques a Lewis book thing 1964 on Propaganda the great book on propaganda. He did a tremendous work. He's a French Christian.
So I said, do you know do you know anything about Jacques a Lewis? Yeah, he's a liberal. He he's I said, but his book on on on Propaganda was too good. Yeah, that was his best work and he knows all about all of his books and he's had contact with him and he's so just a little story to show you how well-versed he is even politically and you know the Not only the Swiss but the Europeans and we can get into that on court y 'all and not in Europe in years I've worked with him.
We're in the process. We've translated and Published one of his short little books. The first book we did was here a V-ray the forgotten giant of the Reformation the apologetics ethics and economics of the Bible and it's a short hundred page book that we did and then.
So we've been working with with John Mark and the Association pair PRV ray and Lozano. They've got an association that promotes and publishes V-rays work in France. Well now it is time.
To partake in our tradition here in iron shrimp and Zion radio whenever we have a first-time guest and that would include you. We have that guests give a summary of their salvation testimony, which would include the kind of religious atmosphere They were raised in if any and what kind of providential Circumstances our Sovereign Lord raised up in their lives that drew them to himself and saved them.
And I'd love to hear your story.
No, I'm gonna give my testimony.
Exactly.
George it's very interesting. Yes, I would have to start is My grandmother and my mother's side came from Italy immigrated in in the early 1900s, which means I was raised Roman Catholic, correct how that works.
So I was the oldest of six and Dutiful Catholic when I was for my 19th birthday wandered into with my buddy one Friday, Milwaukee Brewery, which was a Jesus people ministry that was Really run by a Pentecostal guy I remember right so for the for as a Catholic board for the first time in my life.
I heard a gospel message about salvation and a basic one of Soteriology about faith in Christ and redemption and and the work of Christ on the cross and with an experiential emphasis and so I've never heard anything like that and I made a Profession of faith that night and then the next night we my friend and I went again and I made another profession of faith.
We're Catholics. We didn't know you're only supposed to do that once. We did it twice.
There's Catholicism for you on the treadmill of works. Righteousness.
They never taught us they only taught us in Catechism class. I remember that we weren't allowed to go to a Lutheran Church. And if you ever went you had to get permission from the priest.
I was raised Catholic and and I in my neighborhood in Amityville, Long Island, New York. The only thing I knew about Protestants is that since my friends in the neighborhood who were from mainline Protestant churches, they weren't evangelicals.
But the only difference I knew was the Protestants don't go to church.
Well, yeah, they were bad. That's all we knew about it. But anyway October. You know there was. I don't know if anybody remembers the Jesus movement in the late 60s and 70s. There just it was really a true renewal and a revival of the faith.
I mean I talked listen to this. I talked to Doug Kelly once great instructor at RTS and sharp and dr Kelly told me says Tom that whole period that you came to Christ would finish people were coming up.
Well, I mean that that's just how that era happened. It was, you know Five six-year era and so out of that time I came to Christ that weekend. They they took us all you know that weekend. I mean there could be.
There was like 19 of us that came to the faith. Instructed in a little prayer room then we went out to Lake Mission to get baptized, you know, my friend. They have a black minister from in the inner city preached and the leader says Well, listen all you people that got saved this weekend came to Christ.
We're gonna be we're gonna baptize you. My friend and I looked at each other. I said, is that what we do next? I don't know. We're Catholics. We don't know what what happens next and so we got baptized in Lake, Michigan I think it's probably have seen before and never read and went to Christian beating it first week.
Yeah, I need to leave the Catholic Saturday night. And oh, yeah. Yeah, I so anyway, and I told the priest I said father. I'm not here to give my confession. I just want to let you know born again this a week ago I gave my life to Christ and I just want to let you know, I'm leaving the Catholic Church and.
So he said son whatever happened to you is good, but you can't leave the church. I want you to come and see me next weekend and I got enough In me over the past that next week to know. I was not going to go Back to a priest to have me have him talk me out of what happened to me.
I just felt like I had to make my break. Yeah when I when I.
Converted as well. I wrote a letter to the one of the Parish priests at st. Martin of Tours in Amityville. With whom I became most close. Really? Yeah, he actually was a high school student with my oldest brother John and he performed the marriage ceremony of my Sister Mary and I wrote to him to tell him that I was being baptized that I had left Catholic Church.
And I would love for him to attend the baptism and he just wrote me back very politely saying I hope that one day you will return to the Roman Catholic Church and Discover what you were missing for what you were missing all those years of your youth.
So but he never came to the baptism. But anyway.
Martin Luther would be proud of both of us. I didn't know, you know, it's interesting. I didn't know who Luther was hardly. I didn't know any of the Reformation but I sent and needed and. So, how did you transform from charismatic to reforms?
I was in the Bob Mumford I don't know if you know any of these names. Didn't don't know that one Charles Simpson Derrick print. Really out of the charismatics like Dominion theology well, yeah, and out of the charismatic thing that and that is they had a vision for the kingdom of God and They had a vision to take the faith into the world instead of just hanging out in the church.
And so there's an energy there and I needs to be directed with right theology, you know. But they do their ship does leave the harbor. It doesn't stay in the harbor all the time like the Presbyterians but.
So they they've been on the kingdom of God and so that was my first Through some people some friends first introduction to rush to me in north and I actually oddly enough became Postmillennial believed in the victory of the church in time and earth in history and Theonomic before I knew what the doctrines of grace were.
I mean Wow. I came in the backside.
Yeah, I when you were speaking about the connection with the charismatics and rush to me I remembered that years ago I saw David Chilton preach in New Jersey at a reformed Presbyterian Church Covenant or church and there were a lot of Charismatics in the audience who loved David Chilton and that that's because they were in the branch of charismatic and Pentecostal Right Christians that was known for Dominion theology not the same as theonomy and Reconstruction but.
Well, that would have been Dennis Peacock and Peacock was charismatic. Could be. I don't know. Even R .C. Sproul, you mean a following because I don't think he was. I think he was raised Presbyterian if I'm not mistaken.
Oh, there's there was a charismatic influence there in his history. Okay, I did by the Presbyterian establishment. Wanted a deeper theology and wanted understanding of the kingdom of God. Theology. They had the energy.
He had the top theology.
So in fact, let's go to our first break and then you could wrap up. How exactly the transformation finally took place? From charismatic to reformed. And we'll move on to the main theme of Retrieving the forgotten giants of the Reformation from obscurity.
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Welcome back. If you just tuned us in our guest today for the entire program is Tom Erdl founder of Zurich Publishing. If you have a question for Tom our email address is ChrisArnson at gmail .com. ChrisArnson at gmail .com.
Give us your first name at least city and state and country of residence. And Tom you are right. In the middle of describing your journey from Roman Catholic to charismatic evangelical and then into reformed theology.
And. Just curious. Have you retained anything from the charismatic? Movements like a belief in the perpetuity of the sign gifts or have you become a cessationist. Tell us about all of that thing. That's.
RJ rushed and he's answered that question is I'm not about to tell God what he can and cannot do in the charismatic sense. Dripping off the fingers. No.
You would have a Christian that would excommunicate himself.
But if you could get a mix of actually get that person out of the church into the world to try and make an influence.
Oh, I definitely envy Many of my even my evangelical charismatic and Protestant. I'm sorry not Protestant Pentecostal friends for their zeal for their excitement their boldness and their enthusiasm.
Do you know what? Here's that. Let me give you a quote from English I have heard of CST. In fact, I read a read a track by him on Calvinism. Oh you did.
Yes.
Salvation shop two yards from the gates of hell. You know. And or set up a shop. That's profound very profound, you know, I thought that's that's yeah. If you could if you could somehow mix it just people you have to have Anabaptist and all of what that is, which I was not interested in that realm.
You're gonna go Lutheran or Reformed and Reformed. And then but I couldn't fit historically like the Reformed did so the historical. Work and progress of the Reformed faith of changing nations and countries in establishing Constitutions and laws that ended up being my already.
Well, we already learned.
About the genesis of your Passion for the Swiss reformers. Yeah, and why don't you highlight? Some of them in fact you already mentioned briefly Pierre V Ray and.
Tell us about this forgotten giant of the Reformation. Yeah, I think get into him in depth in a very few minutes but I would even put the other forgotten giant ahead of the array and that would have been Heinrich Bollinger and I know we don't have a lot of time to talk about it, but we're actually I'm working with a pastor on a biography on Bollinger Ron Gleason, South Carolina and Bollinger is totally forgotten and He he was he would be considered first generation.
He was right there with Zwingli and He I mean I can go on and on Bollinger. Let me try and think of he was here's here's what shaft says about Bollinger. He he was running the English Reformation out of Zurich.
With letters going back and forth to Cramner to hooker To Jewel to Cox all the great Anglican conservative bishops Queen Elizabeth to Edward the sixth Somerset his regent he was advising and counseling in England and Bollinger was the pastor of the Reformation not Calvin.
The history is fascinating. They brought him up from a He was a renowned preacher at a monastery south of Zurich. I can't pronounce it. It's German Einstein or something like that and They brought him in and they were so excited the pulpit at the Great Minster on Saturday night Reformation start team 23 Reformation, but when Zwingli took the pulpit in 1519 Calvin was only nine years old and handbooks.
And that's the Book of Church Orders something I read they basically say Calvin was the founder of the reformed faith and that's not true. It was Zwingli and Bollinger and And Bollinger had out of after Zwingli died, you know and compel in 15 31 October I think well, that would be a great idea since your publishing ministry seems to focus on this great man of God.
That has been largely forgotten and ignored.
Yeah, and so work we're doing because of my a 1511. They both went. I'm sure they knew each other at the same time there at I think it's called Montague and but and In Orban Borrelli. Yeah, he's the one I got a hold of Calvin and basically.
Declared a curse on him if he didn't return to Geneva.
Avenue, he's got a great does a great job in his history for a 1536 at the Bear Inn, but.
If.
There is no three cities. They're basically 30 or 40 mile. V ray ended up in Lausanne for 23 years pastoring. Is that he was a true evangelist and it was appropriate? He had red hair, but couldn't be done and he found out later that he was given.
Remember we talked about earlier in the broadcast how important the city of Bern was and yeah. And Zwingli brought the Reformation to burn in the winter of 15 1528 and then the image States embraced it.
That was probably one of the key dates in all the Reformation history was when the Bernese Lords embraced the Protestant faith. So they gave for under French Fritz so Pharrell would just you know give everybody these letters and everybody was afraid of burn because it was the biggest army in the most populous important city in all Switzerland really is to this day and and with I got a short in this story.
But the Reformation of Geneva Davier goes into length on it and it's just a beautiful story does a great job with the work of William Pharrell Pierre V Ray and Antoine from Oh from Oh, nobody knows about fr. Om ent and They all three of them Pharrell was kicked out of Geneva initially and he sent for Mo in who started the school and The kids were so excited about his religious teaching in the school that they brought the parents in and That was really the start of the Reformation and he was a layman a 22 year old layman.
It was a schoolteacher, but he was trained by Pharrell and V Ray also was trained by Pharrell. So later and I'm fast-forwarding a little V Ray and the magistrates eventually gave V Ray and Pharrell the monastery at Reeve Rive to preach and it was the Great Hall at Reeve and it's no longer there.
It's part of a community road there now in Geneva and your story through Calvin's on the way through to go to Basel and Pharrell arrested him and made him stay was a Canton Church. So they controlled who was going to be the pastor and he was the second pastor of the the new Protestant Church.
And he stayed there for 23 years. And as I mentioned earlier He had the Academy there for 23 years and He never guessed who his principal was. I think for nine of those years was Theodore Beza. Wow, everybody knows who Beza is but nobody knows who V Ray is so V Ray Was in all the deeper theologian technician technician, but V Ray was more of the popularist when he was in Geneva his he had better crowds than Calvin when he preached the biography we did that I sent you is The one on PRV Ray the angel of the Reformation and we need to get into Rebecca in a little while but she brought she brought out some tremendous letters that nobody's really has ever seen in her research of The relationship between V Ray and Calvin and it was extremely close V Ray and Calvin were peers.
They were on the same level and when when when Calvin was kicked out and Pharrell kicked out of Geneva by the The Libertines the Libertarians in 1538. He only was a pastor for two short years and they kicked him out.
He went to Strasbourg to be with Bucer V-ray was working from Lausanne to With the magistrates in Geneva after the elections started turning away from the Libertarians. He was working with the magistrates to get Calvin to come back and Rebecca in her Biography on V-ray brought out all these tremendous letters.
Where V-ray is convincing Calvin to come back to Geneva things are opening up the elections turn. They're more open to you and Calvin's response was don't even mention Geneva to me.
Well, can you pick up right where you left off when we return from our midway break? Yeah, we have to go to our midway break. And by the way Rebecca sheets is a name very near and dear to my heart.
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Send me an email to Chris Arnson at gmail .com. Chris Arnson at gmail .com and but I need a church in a subject line. That's also the email address where you could send in a question for Tom Erdl. And that's Chris Arnson at gmail .com give us your first name at least city and state and country of residence before I go to any of the listeners who are waiting for their questions to be Asked and answered on the air you were talking about Calvin's resistance to return to Geneva and What you were discussing was not the classic and fairly well-known instance at least it's fairly well known by reformed historically literate people that that Farrell was Urging Calvin to return to Geneva and he was refusing wanting the quiet life of academia just studying and and being a relative level of peace without confrontation and Controversy but Farrell Threatened him with a curse if he didn't return and you were speaking about a different incident if you could pick up where you left.
Off. Yeah, we're talking about V-Ray and it became more of a okay.
We have some listeners who are waiting anxiously to have their questions asked and answered. We have Bobby in Hartsdale, New York who has a question and his question is Did any of these reformers that you have been discussing that have French ethnicity do more of Evangelism and have a significant impact in their homeland of France as compared to Switzerland.
Well, yeah, he and and and then he never returned. And and Farrell and then. Now V-Ray was the opposite in churches. The magistrates ran the churches and they hired and fired so they V-Ray was fixing to have a communion service in Lausanne and Rebecca brings us out in the biography and The British Lords who had an office in Lausanne said no we're going to tell you when we when we're going to have when you're going to have to communion service and who is going to be able to attend.
And V-Ray totally rejected and he told his ministers we're going to have the communion service and we're going to fence the table. The Bernice Lords found out about it and locked him up because of his disobedience and.
So but V-Ray the great the incident that I just talked about is V-Ray is establishing in church history The the line of jurisdiction between church and state. The church the state has no right who's going to attend and who's going to partake.
Rebecca brings down in a book that V-Ray had taken nine or ten trips to youths and issues between the church and the Bernice Lords. So it they locked him up. This is in 1559 and they exiled him. He had to hand to leave.
They took his pastor away from 23 years and the Lords of Bern took his pastor away and he ended up being in Geneva. Now V-Ray to answer his question. Ended up going the last ten years in his life. He entered French and so the St. Bartholomew's Day Massacre in what was that 1572 and so.
You don't you don't you don't see. Not like V-Ray did. Well you.
At least in part, I think answered a next question. Oh, by the way before I Move on to the next question body in Hartsdale. Make sure you give us your full mailing address there in Hartsdale, New York.
Because you have won a free copy of the book Pierre Veret or V-Ray The angel of the Reformation published by Zurich publishing and I've got to just say something and my friend Bill Hill at formerly at Greenville Presbyterian Theological Center.
He did a great job interviewing you as well and He was absolutely right about the beauty and the quality Physically of your books. They are I've never seen books of a superior binding To yours even the paper of the pages that is used.
I mean such high quality you have spared no expense to make sure that these products are absolutely stunning and and I'm sure which will add to the The longevity of them surviving on somebody's bookshelf.
Probably for generations. Well, you know, it's like that, but you got to remember I'm German.
Yeah, we all know the Germans have done everything perfect. Now that's you isn't it. Two different hats. Yes. Yes. Well, we definitely thank God for Tom Riddle the homebuilder.
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But thanks a lot Bobby and CVB BS comm Cumberland Valley Bible Book Service will be shipping that out to you. Compliments of Zurich publishing and compliments of CVB BS comm who are handling the postage.
So that we don't have to do that. And our second listener. Who is Tom in West Islet, New York Tom says. And it you as I said, you already partially answered this question. Tom in West Islet, New York says why is it that Switzerland was so much more of a fertile ground for evangelism and the spread of the gospel than France.
And why is it that all of these Primary locations that gave birth to the Reformation are for the most part today barren wastelands of theology.
Boy, that's a gospel and reform faith and I and I would the. It was, you know grip all the France Switzerland. We call it the magistrate embracing the Reformation. Each Canton determined its own religion.
Well in my ears it did. So the other the other the other answer is off this question Why is it such a wasteland. And and John Mark would tell me that at the Great Cathedral or V Ray pre there would be at Times right now 17 people for Sunday services in contact with and he said that the even before I got off the Delta plane went Right to the service at the Great Minster and the minister's name was Monica Zwingli would have a conniption.
Yeah, the church where Jonathan Edwards was a pastor is now open and affirming to unrepentant homosexuals.
Yeah, and yeah. Oh, yeah, I don't doubt it. So anyway, if the next generation doesn't keep it on and of course these countries have been in existence far.
Longer than the Republic. That we you and I live in the United States of America. That's a good observation there, but who knows how many. More years or how few years ahead of us. Where we'll be just as much of a barren wasteland as these other countries.
But thank you Tom. I also know and another Tom in West Islip, New York is a member of Trinity Lutheran Church. I don't know if you know him Tom, but say hello to him if you ever bump into him. And by the way.
Give us your your full mailing address because you have also won Pierre V Ray the angel of the Reformation. Gorgeous hardback book. Published by Zurich Publishing and they'll be shipped out to you by CVBBS .com.
Cumberland Valley Bible Book Service. We have Susan Margaret in Dauphin County, Pennsylvania. Who says you have used the phrase? Huguenot. And I was wondering What was unique about this group of Christians that may have separated them from other reformed Christians?
I can't hardly pronounce it. I mean with the best we can do is you can know on it. So it was the label Christianity that I mean there weren't backed. And what's interesting is that? The and they the head.
And in between where the Protestant Jeanne D Albrecht was. Contingency. And then in La Rochelle. On the Atlantic Ocean there was a strong contingency. Not so much in Paris. But in the other the other communities.
And you know, here's my final thought on that we talked about all the time. Here's the speculation. Historically, what if one of the Kings Had embraced the probably imagine what France would have been like there would have been no French Revolution.
There would have been no Napoleon. You talk about warm water ports on both the Atlantic and the Mediterranean. Massive size of a country with a huge population base with their history. Can you imagine if it was reformed?
Wow, oh. Thank you, Susan Margaret. You've also won a free copy of the book that we have been giving away Pierre V Ray the angel of the Reformation and Please make sure we have your full mailing address.
Just out of curiosity if you could explain the subtitle that Rebecca sheets Came up with for this book that she wrote is the angel of the Reformation as opposed to some other.
Adjectives that when I did the introduction of the black because of his character. You couldn't. Oh, I wish I had to quote. I can't find it in the book right now. But just you asked that because did him and we just had his temper problems.
But be ready was just and by the way before the grammar police start annoying me with emails.
I know that angel is a noun and not an adjective. That was a slip of the tongue there. So we do have some annoying listeners out. Well, this is quite providential because I don't even think I Mentioned where you're from.
But Wade from Talley, Tallahassee, Florida wants to know. If there are any churches you would recommend.
It would be his church a Trinity community and it probably my church, which is Westminster Presbyterian, so I will say that I'll give him two churches there.
Okay, and you could give me the information off the air because we have listeners every day asking for church recommendations. We're going to go to our final break. It's going to be a lot more brief than the other breaks and Grady from Asheboro, North Carolina if you could hold on and be patient with your question.
We'll get to you as soon as we come back. But if anybody else wants to get in line behind Grady with a question for Tom Ertle before by the way.
I am pronouncing that right? Am I? Yeah. Well if you're in Austria, it's actual. Okay, we're gonna go with Ertl.
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Welcome back. And we have Grady. Very loyal longtime listener to iron sharpens. Iron radio is also a very faithful and generous supporter of this program. Grady asked greetings brothers. We have works from Luther and Calvin.
Do we have any of the works from these unknown reformers or just their biographies? Yes. That's yeah, that's something that a church should buy a.
Couple of cases of so they can make sure every member gets that. Yeah, what interesting on the catechism? I have it in front of Rebecca. She's in the catechism. Have you ever heard of this? This was done in 1564.
And remember the Westminster shorter catechism was penned in 15 or 1647. So here's this first question. What is the chief purpose? Why God created man in his image and likeness? Answered to be worshipped and honored by him.
So the title of it is the chief. Well, I've heard the.
Enjoy God to know God and adore God worship God and enjoy him forever. Which is the first question of the Westminster shorter catechism. So what this means. Is that the Presbyterians who make fun of Reformed Baptists for plagiarizing their confession?
It looks like the Westminster divines did some plagiarizing of their own.
Yeah in the chief and in purpose of the creation of man the Westminster with it. What's the chief end of man now Calvin right be in his catechism? Also, I think was right before v-rays Talked about the chief end of man.
So Calvin and v-ray both tended that the Westminster divines picked up and it was put together then we. We're working on we have it. She's finished translating v-rays two volumes 500 pages a piece I think on the Ten Commandments was John Mark or two says it was the greatest work on the Ten Commandments in the time of the Reformation and so I've read it and so we're we're putting formatting it.
We're putting an index together on it. So I hopefully we'll have that out this year. The other thing these the Reformers. The great work of Bullinger was his decades was his key sermons and I mean he wrote Tremendous amount of volume of literature, but the decades were his key ones.
They and Joe Beeky. So you can get that in the modern English. So, you know and and to answer his question also. We're going to do more works on v-ray. We just need time and money and then the great work of a very Important reformer would be Martin Booth.
So you got to remember when Calvin was in Strasbourg in 1538 because he was kicked out of Geneva a Bootser mentored him. He was still a young man and Bootser was older. Bootser was more first-generation reformer saved under the ministry of Luther in Heidelberg and Bootser taught Calvin his reform liturgies.
So Calvin took Bootser's liturgy back to the church in Geneva. Which is which is what we use to this day and Hughes Oliphant Olds the great Presbyterian writer on worship brought that out and did a great job of it.
So Bullinger stuff is is is out but not a lot of it. Pharrell would not have been a theist and there are obviously Calvin's works have been been reprinted.
So we're working on v-ray. Well, by the way folks I know that the word that I should have used for the first question of the Shorter catechism is glorify God and enjoy him forever. I just had one of those brain blackouts.
And Grady we have your mailing address since you are one of the most loyal listeners to this program and we're going to have CV BBS Comm Cumberland Valley Bible Book Service ship out to you the book that we have been mentioning Pierre V ray the angel of the Reformation by our a sheets Compliments of Zurich publishing and compliments of Cumberland Valley Bible Books Service.
We have Robert and Westchester, New York and Robert has a question. I had it right in front of me and now it's disappeared and I've got to quickly find it before we Run out of time. Oh Robert says is it true that Zwingli was truly merely a memorialist with the Lord's Supper or Are those who oppose him trivially?
Trivializing trivializing. Sorry what he believed and really minimizing what he believed and It was not just a pure and nothing more than a memorial.
No, I I'm not the theologian type, but first and all of that and to bring him out he had to go symbolic. You know, so Zwingli took more of the reform position and and Luther did his constant.
Consubstantiation and Lutherans have told me that that was just a theory but it has not been like a dogma over there.
But to answer the gentleman's question what's interesting on this is that? In there remember it Calvin got together with the initial Lord Supper. The Lord's presence was there and he worked together with Bullinger and they came up with the Swiss consensus.
There's a there's a Latin term for it that they both signed and it was Calvin's credit that he initiated it. So we have that basically in the reformed churches today is the influence of Calvin and Bullinger coming together and Formulating a more balanced view of the Lord's Supper.
And Robert you've won the last copy of the book.
Pierre V ray angel of the Reformation. We have a time for one more question. Graham in Bluffton, South Carolina wants to know who trained the men who wrote the Heidelberg Catechism.
Well, we talked Reformation history. Will be honest.
Well, we are out of time folks and I want to make sure that everybody has The website for Zurich publishing it is Zurich publishing org Zurich publishing org. Thank you for doing such a masterful job today Tom.
I'm eagerly looking forward to your frequent return to iron sharpens iron radio.
Well, thanks for the time, I hope it's better me.
I'm sure it was and I want to thank everybody who listened especially Those who took the time to write and I want you all to always remember for the rest of your lives that Jesus Christ Is a far far greater Savior than you are a sinner.