May 12, 2022 Show with Tom Ertl on “Retrieving the Forgotten Giants of the Reformation out of Obscurity”

The Reformation in Switzerland and the Forgotten Giants

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This is his first appearance on iron sharpens iron radio and Dr. Joseph C. Moorcraft the third especially has urged me to interview today's guest and his lovely wife Becky. I'm speaking of Tom Erdl, and he is founder of Zurich publishing and today We're going to be addressing retrieving the forgotten giants of the Reformation out from obscurity.

And it's my honor and privilege to welcome you for the first time ever to iron sharpens iron radio Tom Erdl.

Thank you Chris. Enjoy. Yes, and I'm sure I will enjoy interviewing you and.

Tell us about Zurich publishing.

And I mean the Swiss word and so that's why I named it so and I understand that you had quite a.

Providential meeting years ago with a brother in Christ who really Led you on a further path to have further Passion for These reformers who whom you are attempting to retrieve from obscurity. And why don't you tell us about this?

This meeting with this brother which occurred in Switzerland during a a Trip that you Went on to Switzerland and met Jean-marc Berthold.

Yeah, I love telling the story because John it's Jean-marc Berthold. Oh, sorry for the mispronunciation I never took a course in it. So you're an American so we don't know other languages. Yeah, it was St. Gallen Basel burn the key cities of the Reformation of the reformed faith there and then at the end of the trip.

Went to Lausanne didn't have a chance to go new Chateau or Geneva. A similar book. I heard it's pronounced you knew.

I.

Wanted to do a pictorial book on the Reformation so I went throughout German Switzerland mostly and took pictures. Met people at the minster we can get into that if we talk about Bollinger at all today, and so I went through out.

All I went to all the homes that but the founder of the reformed faith was Ulrich Zwingli. So I went to his in wild house in Togenberg up in the Alps and his original home of like 550 years the hut or the the law cabin is still there and that was really a fascinating trip there and When you when you look at Zwingli's home and his surroundings and his dad was a cattleman.

You you understand Zwingli's personality. He was alpha male. He was our Luther in the reform realm. But anyways went through everything I could on Zwingli went to Bollinger's hometown of Bremen Bremgarten information his burn.

It was a lot of stories up from today then went to Basel. So saw Rasmus's last residence and and Fortunately, it's a rare bookstore. So it have to be that for Rasmus's home and then his crypt was in the minster the Basel minster.

So and Anyways went throughout there then so took as many pictures as I could develop contacts and it was really excellent then on the way my last visit was in Lausanne because I had read of Pierre V Ray who was Calvin's club and in Pierre V Ray the three and so I read of him R .J Rush doing he and this man I never heard of John Mark Baird to all those on Switzerland knew that V Ray was from there.

So I then one day I said John Mark, I'm coming to Switzerland I want to see I'm interested in more information on V Ray want to take some pictures. He says come on over so he at the time. He ran a bookstore just down from the Cathedral called the La Prue.

And so on the very end of the trip the last really the second last day. I think I took an extra day. I just needed one more day of good food in Europe before I came back to Florida, you know and. So my second last day I was in Lausanne and it was a very providential meeting.

I went there early. Well mid mid morning, maybe and so I I I laid down with John Mark. And I knew he was a scholar from the article that I read. What I wanted to do on a pictorial book on the on the Protestant Reformation specifically the Swiss Reformation.

So he's looking at it. He's going over my ideas and he kind of pushes it aside and he said this is good. But if you really want to do something really important, you need to translate those two books over there.

So he points on his table on the table of the bookstore in the book. The blue one is the first volume of Pierre V. Ray's Christian instruction, which is I think three or four. I think it's three volumes maybe four and I think they just completed the fourth volume.

So a man by the name of Lewis Hofer. Who's associated John Mark at a time? I think he's passed away had translated V rays you know parallel to I think really in many ways superior to Calvin's Institutes and.

And then he said a new day of small beginnings in Bible in the Bible. And if you really want to do something important, you need to translate those two books. Into English and we can get into court y 'all later if you like.

So from there, so he got me interested from there. This was July of 2004. He took me up to the cathedral up the market steps. And if you look in the book the B rate book that Rebecca sheets did the biography we have a picture of John Mark.

We have the market steps that all pictures in the book. So he took me up to the cathedral so we entered the cathedral and he said over there in the altar area is Where V ray held many of the classes he said he told me and I didn't know this at the time.

That before there was the Geneva Academy for 23 years. V ray oversaw the academy here. And the instruction was in the cathedral and the buildings associated with the cathedral which we have in the V ray book.

And then he said this is what got me and it's my favorite catechism. I interviewed.

Greg Bonson before I was even a talk show host. Steve Schlissel Knew that I was going to be a talk show host. He had just a great confidence. He wasn't saying that as a prophetic declaration, but he proved to be right.

But he said I know you're going to be a talk show host one day and I want you to interview Greg Bonson in my Study. This was after the morning worship service when dr. Bonson preached at Messiah's Congregation in Brooklyn.

Yeah, and I had the Delight of interviewing. Dr. Bonson, but the tragedy of losing the tape.

Debray was here and you know Debray wrote I think in 1561. Yeah, I think. William Bokestein.

A.

Biography and to say this but my favorite confession of faith is the Belgic. It's not the Westminster Don't tell dr. Morecraft that because he just wrote an extensive work on the Westminster beer I'm not he's a real mentor of mine and John Mark.

I Don't know if anybody in the states that is anywhere near his level of theological and historical depth I mean, it just it astounds me all of what he knows and I mean, there's just nobody We know in the press cheering around me anywhere near him.

I Recently I wrote him and I said you must know who Jacques a Lewis and I've got Jacques a Lewis book thing 1964 on Propaganda the great book on propaganda. He did a tremendous work. He's a French Christian.

So I said, do you know do you know anything about Jacques a Lewis? Yeah, he's a liberal. He he's I said, but his book on on on Propaganda was too good. Yeah, that was his best work and he knows all about all of his books and he's had contact with him and he's so just a little story to show you how well-versed he is even politically and you know the Not only the Swiss but the Europeans and we can get into that on court y 'all and not in Europe in years I've worked with him.

We're in the process. We've translated and Published one of his short little books. The first book we did was here a V-ray the forgotten giant of the Reformation the apologetics ethics and economics of the Bible and it's a short hundred page book that we did and then.

Salvation Testimony and the Move from Catholicism to Reformed Theology

So we've been working with with John Mark and the Association pair PRV ray and Lozano. They've got an association that promotes and publishes V-rays work in France. Well now it is time.

To partake in our tradition here in iron shrimp and Zion radio whenever we have a first-time guest and that would include you. We have that guests give a summary of their salvation testimony, which would include the kind of religious atmosphere They were raised in if any and what kind of providential Circumstances our Sovereign Lord raised up in their lives that drew them to himself and saved them.

And I'd love to hear your story.

No, I'm gonna give my testimony.

Exactly.

George it's very interesting. Yes, I would have to start is My grandmother and my mother's side came from Italy immigrated in in the early 1900s, which means I was raised Roman Catholic, correct how that works.

So I was the oldest of six and Dutiful Catholic when I was for my 19th birthday wandered into with my buddy one Friday, Milwaukee Brewery, which was a Jesus people ministry that was Really run by a Pentecostal guy I remember right so for the for as a Catholic board for the first time in my life.

I heard a gospel message about salvation and a basic one of Soteriology about faith in Christ and redemption and and the work of Christ on the cross and with an experiential emphasis and so I've never heard anything like that and I made a Profession of faith that night and then the next night we my friend and I went again and I made another profession of faith.

We're Catholics. We didn't know you're only supposed to do that once. We did it twice.

There's Catholicism for you on the treadmill of works. Righteousness.

They never taught us they only taught us in Catechism class. I remember that we weren't allowed to go to a Lutheran Church. And if you ever went you had to get permission from the priest.

I was raised Catholic and and I in my neighborhood in Amityville, Long Island, New York. The only thing I knew about Protestants is that since my friends in the neighborhood who were from mainline Protestant churches, they weren't evangelicals.

But the only difference I knew was the Protestants don't go to church.

Well, yeah, they were bad. That's all we knew about it. But anyway October. You know there was. I don't know if anybody remembers the Jesus movement in the late 60s and 70s. There just it was really a true renewal and a revival of the faith.

I mean I talked listen to this. I talked to Doug Kelly once great instructor at RTS and sharp and dr Kelly told me says Tom that whole period that you came to Christ would finish people were coming up.

Well, I mean that that's just how that era happened. It was, you know Five six-year era and so out of that time I came to Christ that weekend. They they took us all you know that weekend. I mean there could be.

There was like 19 of us that came to the faith. Instructed in a little prayer room then we went out to Lake Mission to get baptized, you know, my friend. They have a black minister from in the inner city preached and the leader says Well, listen all you people that got saved this weekend came to Christ.

We're gonna be we're gonna baptize you. My friend and I looked at each other. I said, is that what we do next? I don't know. We're Catholics. We don't know what what happens next and so we got baptized in Lake, Michigan I think it's probably have seen before and never read and went to Christian beating it first week.

Yeah, I need to leave the Catholic Saturday night. And oh, yeah. Yeah, I so anyway, and I told the priest I said father. I'm not here to give my confession. I just want to let you know born again this a week ago I gave my life to Christ and I just want to let you know, I'm leaving the Catholic Church and.

So he said son whatever happened to you is good, but you can't leave the church. I want you to come and see me next weekend and I got enough In me over the past that next week to know. I was not going to go Back to a priest to have me have him talk me out of what happened to me.

I just felt like I had to make my break. Yeah when I when I.

Converted as well. I wrote a letter to the one of the Parish priests at st. Martin of Tours in Amityville. With whom I became most close. Really? Yeah, he actually was a high school student with my oldest brother John and he performed the marriage ceremony of my Sister Mary and I wrote to him to tell him that I was being baptized that I had left Catholic Church.

And I would love for him to attend the baptism and he just wrote me back very politely saying I hope that one day you will return to the Roman Catholic Church and Discover what you were missing for what you were missing all those years of your youth.

So but he never came to the baptism. But anyway.

Martin Luther would be proud of both of us. I didn't know, you know, it's interesting. I didn't know who Luther was hardly. I didn't know any of the Reformation but I sent and needed and. So, how did you transform from charismatic to reforms?

I was in the Bob Mumford I don't know if you know any of these names. Didn't don't know that one Charles Simpson Derrick print. Really out of the charismatics like Dominion theology well, yeah, and out of the charismatic thing that and that is they had a vision for the kingdom of God and They had a vision to take the faith into the world instead of just hanging out in the church.

And so there's an energy there and I needs to be directed with right theology, you know. But they do their ship does leave the harbor. It doesn't stay in the harbor all the time like the Presbyterians but.

So they they've been on the kingdom of God and so that was my first Through some people some friends first introduction to rush to me in north and I actually oddly enough became Postmillennial believed in the victory of the church in time and earth in history and Theonomic before I knew what the doctrines of grace were.

I mean Wow. I came in the backside.

Yeah, I when you were speaking about the connection with the charismatics and rush to me I remembered that years ago I saw David Chilton preach in New Jersey at a reformed Presbyterian Church Covenant or church and there were a lot of Charismatics in the audience who loved David Chilton and that that's because they were in the branch of charismatic and Pentecostal Right Christians that was known for Dominion theology not the same as theonomy and Reconstruction but.

Well, that would have been Dennis Peacock and Peacock was charismatic. Could be. I don't know. Even R .C. Sproul, you mean a following because I don't think he was. I think he was raised Presbyterian if I'm not mistaken.

Oh, there's there was a charismatic influence there in his history. Okay, I did by the Presbyterian establishment. Wanted a deeper theology and wanted understanding of the kingdom of God. Theology. They had the energy.

He had the top theology.

Cessationism, Charismatic Zeal, and the Kingdom of God

So in fact, let's go to our first break and then you could wrap up. How exactly the transformation finally took place? From charismatic to reformed. And we'll move on to the main theme of Retrieving the forgotten giants of the Reformation from obscurity.

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Pierre Viret, Bullinger, and the Swiss Reformation

Welcome back. If you just tuned us in our guest today for the entire program is Tom Erdl founder of Zurich Publishing. If you have a question for Tom our email address is ChrisArnson at gmail .com. ChrisArnson at gmail .com.

Give us your first name at least city and state and country of residence. And Tom you are right. In the middle of describing your journey from Roman Catholic to charismatic evangelical and then into reformed theology.

And. Just curious. Have you retained anything from the charismatic? Movements like a belief in the perpetuity of the sign gifts or have you become a cessationist. Tell us about all of that thing. That's.

RJ rushed and he's answered that question is I'm not about to tell God what he can and cannot do in the charismatic sense. Dripping off the fingers. No.

You would have a Christian that would excommunicate himself.

But if you could get a mix of actually get that person out of the church into the world to try and make an influence.

Oh, I definitely envy Many of my even my evangelical charismatic and Protestant. I'm sorry not Protestant Pentecostal friends for their zeal for their excitement their boldness and their enthusiasm.

Do you know what? Here's that. Let me give you a quote from English I have heard of CST. In fact, I read a read a track by him on Calvinism. Oh you did.

Yes.

Salvation shop two yards from the gates of hell. You know. And or set up a shop. That's profound very profound, you know, I thought that's that's yeah. If you could if you could somehow mix it just people you have to have Anabaptist and all of what that is, which I was not interested in that realm.

You're gonna go Lutheran or Reformed and Reformed. And then but I couldn't fit historically like the Reformed did so the historical. Work and progress of the Reformed faith of changing nations and countries in establishing Constitutions and laws that ended up being my already.

Well, we already learned.

About the genesis of your Passion for the Swiss reformers. Yeah, and why don't you highlight? Some of them in fact you already mentioned briefly Pierre V Ray and.

Tell us about this forgotten giant of the Reformation. Yeah, I think get into him in depth in a very few minutes but I would even put the other forgotten giant ahead of the array and that would have been Heinrich Bollinger and I know we don't have a lot of time to talk about it, but we're actually I'm working with a pastor on a biography on Bollinger Ron Gleason, South Carolina and Bollinger is totally forgotten and He he was he would be considered first generation.

He was right there with Zwingli and He I mean I can go on and on Bollinger. Let me try and think of he was here's here's what shaft says about Bollinger. He he was running the English Reformation out of Zurich.

With letters going back and forth to Cramner to hooker To Jewel to Cox all the great Anglican conservative bishops Queen Elizabeth to Edward the sixth Somerset his regent he was advising and counseling in England and Bollinger was the pastor of the Reformation not Calvin.

The history is fascinating. They brought him up from a He was a renowned preacher at a monastery south of Zurich. I can't pronounce it. It's German Einstein or something like that and They brought him in and they were so excited the pulpit at the Great Minster on Saturday night Reformation start team 23 Reformation, but when Zwingli took the pulpit in 1519 Calvin was only nine years old and handbooks.

And that's the Book of Church Orders something I read they basically say Calvin was the founder of the reformed faith and that's not true. It was Zwingli and Bollinger and And Bollinger had out of after Zwingli died, you know and compel in 15 31 October I think well, that would be a great idea since your publishing ministry seems to focus on this great man of God.

That has been largely forgotten and ignored.

Yeah, and so work we're doing because of my a 1511. They both went. I'm sure they knew each other at the same time there at I think it's called Montague and but and In Orban Borrelli. Yeah, he's the one I got a hold of Calvin and basically.

Declared a curse on him if he didn't return to Geneva.

Avenue, he's got a great does a great job in his history for a 1536 at the Bear Inn, but.

If.

There is no three cities. They're basically 30 or 40 mile. V ray ended up in Lausanne for 23 years pastoring. Is that he was a true evangelist and it was appropriate? He had red hair, but couldn't be done and he found out later that he was given.

Remember we talked about earlier in the broadcast how important the city of Bern was and yeah. And Zwingli brought the Reformation to burn in the winter of 15 1528 and then the image States embraced it.

That was probably one of the key dates in all the Reformation history was when the Bernese Lords embraced the Protestant faith. So they gave for under French Fritz so Pharrell would just you know give everybody these letters and everybody was afraid of burn because it was the biggest army in the most populous important city in all Switzerland really is to this day and and with I got a short in this story.

But the Reformation of Geneva Davier goes into length on it and it's just a beautiful story does a great job with the work of William Pharrell Pierre V Ray and Antoine from Oh from Oh, nobody knows about fr. Om ent and They all three of them Pharrell was kicked out of Geneva initially and he sent for Mo in who started the school and The kids were so excited about his religious teaching in the school that they brought the parents in and That was really the start of the Reformation and he was a layman a 22 year old layman.

It was a schoolteacher, but he was trained by Pharrell and V Ray also was trained by Pharrell. So later and I'm fast-forwarding a little V Ray and the magistrates eventually gave V Ray and Pharrell the monastery at Reeve Rive to preach and it was the Great Hall at Reeve and it's no longer there.

It's part of a community road there now in Geneva and your story through Calvin's on the way through to go to Basel and Pharrell arrested him and made him stay was a Canton Church. So they controlled who was going to be the pastor and he was the second pastor of the the new Protestant Church.

And he stayed there for 23 years. And as I mentioned earlier He had the Academy there for 23 years and He never guessed who his principal was. I think for nine of those years was Theodore Beza. Wow, everybody knows who Beza is but nobody knows who V Ray is so V Ray Was in all the deeper theologian technician technician, but V Ray was more of the popularist when he was in Geneva his he had better crowds than Calvin when he preached the biography we did that I sent you is The one on PRV Ray the angel of the Reformation and we need to get into Rebecca in a little while but she brought she brought out some tremendous letters that nobody's really has ever seen in her research of The relationship between V Ray and Calvin and it was extremely close V Ray and Calvin were peers.

They were on the same level and when when when Calvin was kicked out and Pharrell kicked out of Geneva by the The Libertines the Libertarians in 1538. He only was a pastor for two short years and they kicked him out.

He went to Strasbourg to be with Bucer V-ray was working from Lausanne to With the magistrates in Geneva after the elections started turning away from the Libertarians. He was working with the magistrates to get Calvin to come back and Rebecca in her Biography on V-ray brought out all these tremendous letters.

Where V-ray is convincing Calvin to come back to Geneva things are opening up the elections turn. They're more open to you and Calvin's response was don't even mention Geneva to me.

Well, can you pick up right where you left off when we return from our midway break? Yeah, we have to go to our midway break. And by the way Rebecca sheets is a name very near and dear to my heart.

Because.

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