Ark and the Darkness - Movie Post Show (full-length interviews)

The Personal Testimonies Behind the Flood Message

Welcome to the Answer Center at the ARC Encounter in Williamstown, Kentucky. I'm Pat Roy and you made an excellent decision. You stayed through the credits and now you're about to receive your reward because we're going to spend some time with the men that actually helped to make the movie.

Let me introduce them very quickly. To my right here is Dr. Andrew Snelling, Geology with Answers in Genesis. We've got Dr. Randall Price, Archeology, Liberty University. We've got Dr. Terry Mortensen, History and Theology, Answers in Genesis.

We've got Dr. Tim Chafee, who is Theology with Answers in Genesis. And then also Dr. Dan Biddle, who is President of Genesis Apologetics and also Executive Producer for ARC in the Darkness. And gentlemen, thank you so much for being here.

So, you know, I have always said that creation, the creation message, and the evidence for the Flood is so powerful that it can turn wimpy Christians into powerful Christians. And Dr. Biddle, that's actually your story, right?

It is, Pat. I.

Think it was about 12 years ago I attended a talk by Dave Bisbee, our Vice President, and went there as a huge skeptic because the talk was titled something like, Dinosaurs Walked with Man. And I just couldn't believe that someone in Christianity would actually think that.

So I went to this talk as a skeptic and about halfway through his presentation I thought, oh my gosh, this guy is on to something. I'm a behavioral scientist by training and I've testified in federal court cases for about 20 years on research and statistics and evidence.

And it was about halfway through Dave's talk I thought, my gosh, there is a lot of evidence that he's going over here. So I had to take about a 90-day hiatus. I bought thousands of dollars for the DVDs and books and plunged into the topic of dinosaurs, geology, and Noah's Flood.

And about halfway through that process I became not just convinced that dinosaurs walked with man, but overwhelmingly convinced. The evidence was stacked so high it was undeniable for me. And it began a huge life change for me and eventually led to.

The formation of our ministry. That is amazing. And I think I can say beyond a shadow of a doubt that every one of us sitting here today has had our life radically changed by the evidence. I would love to hear from the rest of you what's happened in your life?

How has this information changed your life? What's it done for you? How has it impacted your family? Well I started picking up rocks when I was eight years of age. And by the time I was at high school I was convinced I was going to be a geologist.

And as a Christian I had to delve into these issues. And so in my teen years I became convinced that the flood really did happen and the geology did fit with that. So I devoted my life to doing the study and then I left.

I finished my PhD and went to the mining industry. And 40 years ago I left the mining industry to work full-time in apologetics, dealing with, to do research on the flood and also to present the evidence for the flood.

So it radically changed my life direction from a lucrative opportunity in the mining industry to going it full-time into this area. And of course it affected my family because our kids had to go where we move.

I've been living here in the US for 13 years and so it's a lot. I can get to some of the geology here like in the Grand Canyon which is a magnificent place to study the flood. And so yeah it really changed my life, my family and my direction.

Wow that is amazing. And God has used you in so many ways to reach others. Well it's all he's doing not mine. As I often say to people if I wasn't obedient to what God wanted me to do he'd go and get someone else.

So it's not it's not me, it's him. Because all of us have had a complete life change as a.

Result of this. Yeah well I think for each of us could testify that it gives us great confidence in Scripture, that it's true from the very beginning to the very end. So it's helpful in that way as we grow in our faith and our trust in God's Word.

For me a very practical way, I mean what's right behind us. I had the privilege of being the content manager for the last almost 11 years now. I never dreamed I would be the guy who writes the signs that people read when they go through the Ark.

So how has it impacted me and my family? Well that's one way and that's been my job for 11 years and been a great blessing. Dr.

Price what about you? What has the Lord done to change your life with this message? Well as an archaeologist I realized that if I had the conviction that the Ark was an actual historical structure that it could probably be failed.

And I went over to Turkey, was involved in a seminar there with other Turkish archaeologists who usually deal with the subject of the Ark in terms of tradition or folklore. And I presented the archaeological protocol for being able to actually locate, document, and then publish something like this.

Led me for six more years to be involved with looking at possible locations, involved by son and son-in-laws, it became a family affair. And just very much trying to live out the convictions of what I believe.

So would you say that following the Lord is actually living the adventure? Very much so. I mean if you are going to follow the Lord he's going to put you in trying circumstances where you are called to live out your faith before watching world.

And he demonstrates his faithfulness through that. It's a life of purpose and meaning isn't it? Wow. Excellent. Anybody else? Well I came to Christ as a first-year university student and one of the first questions I had was what about evolution?

What about the millions of years? And I was introduced to some books that helped me to see that this is a massive lie. And so I started reading everything I could and I was a missionary in Eastern Europe for ten years, the last ten years of communism.

And so of course in Eastern Europe they taught evolution in millions of years as fact. And so I kept studying and then went to seminary and none of my professors believed Genesis about the age of the earth.

And I learned early on that the flood was really critical to the question of the age of the earth. And so then the Lord led me to do a PhD in England studying the history of this controversy. And that affected my family because we had five kids at that time.

So I hauled them all over to England and did my research. And so as I studied where this idea came from and I realized it was the rejection of the flood and the rejection of the biblical chronology that was the foundation for then Darwin's revolution.

And so this has deepened my convictions about the truth of God's Word and given me a passion to share with other Christians because most of them haven't thought about this issue, particularly of the flood.

These are great points. When I.

Went to seminary years ago, Pat, in the same breath the professor said, well if you want to believe in the Hebrew, earth has to be young. In the six days or real days the Genesis genealogies lead back to a young earth that was created recently because you've got Adam as a first man taking stewardship over the earth with Eve.

And so then he said, but if you believe in science, earth has to be millions of years old so you guys go figure it out. And I didn't really know it at the time but that sent me through a long journey of what's called cognitive dissonance.

How could this exist and that exist at the same time? So I was really undeclared on my journey on origins until I ran, you know, face-falling into dinosaurs and the geology of the flood. It was just incredible.

So when I discovered that Genesis is a true history book, for me it was like being born again, again. My head was like chiropractically alive with my heart because I understood that the world had its narrative and the Bible's got its narrative and the Bible was actually more true and valid than what the world had been telling me.

So it was like a huge shift and now my head was given permission to believe what my heart knew was true. So it was a.

Huge shift in my own faith walk. So it is true that the creation message and the evidence for the flood is so powerful that it does change lives. You guys are testimonies to that and I'm sure there's lots of testimonies out there as well and it's just the power of God to be able to change people's lives.

The Best Evidence for the Worldwide Flood

Okay it is the rapid-fire round. Okay and so here's what we're going to do is I thought we would just move down the line here and I would love for each of you to give me what you think is the best evidence for the worldwide flood.

Here's the thing is we know that the Scriptures clearly talk about it so we're gonna say something outside of the Scriptures but I would love for you to share with me the thing that you think is the most powerful piece of evidence for the worldwide flood.

Well Pat the question to answer is if the flood really occurred as the Bible describes it what evidence would we look for what would it leave behind and so for me the powerful evidence is we'd expect to find rock layers that were rapidly deposited by water right across the continents all around the globe and that have marine creatures buried in them because the floodwaters would have gone all around the earth to a global flood covering all the high mountains and that's exactly what we find billions of dead things called fossils laid down in rock layers that were deposited rapidly by water all around the globe and some of these layers can be traced from continent to continent to continent you can only explain that by a global catastrophic flood and the marine fossils are on the continents you don't find them on the ocean floor you find them on the continents they lived in the oceans but they died up there on the continents and in layers that go right across the continent.

You know isn't it interesting so many times I've talked to a skeptic who has said hey if there was really a worldwide flood wouldn't it leave behind the evidence where's the evidence. And I always think oh yeah just about every square inch of planet Earth pretty much.

But the problem is that most people haven't stopped to think about it they just think that the Bibles are descriptions mythological and when you press them and make them read it and see that it says all the high mountains under the whole of the heaven were covered the emphasis on whole and every then what are the implications of that and as a geologist the answer is very simple as I explained billions of dead things called fossils buried in rock layers that were rapidly deposited by water right across the earth all around the globe and you know sometimes you get mixtures of land and marine creatures together which is what you'd expect the creatures up on the land the floodwaters came up with the marine marine creatures and buried them together.

Dr. Price. Well I would say if the arc really happened the flood really happened then there should be some evidence for this in history. As an archaeologist we unearthed the different civilizations of the ancient Near East there should be accounts multiplicity that counts actually if this was of that kind historically then that's exactly what we find whether it's Samaria or Syria or Babylon or other other areas from the Mesopotamian region where you had originally this account end up that is with what they are and then you know throughout the globe as you look at different accounts you find that they pretty much say the same thing both about creation and about flood and some of the similarities are quite unique the differences however tell us that the Bible is especially unique because it had more of the historical event and not with some of the Cretans that came over time from the local mythology.

It's all there if you want to find. Right exactly. Great answer. Okay Dr. Mortensen. Well I agree with Andrew about the geological evidence but for me seeing where the millions of years idea came from historically and that it didn't come from the rocks and the fossils it came from anti-biblical assumptions ideas and people's heads that caused them to interpret the rocks and the fossils in a millions of years scenario but it was their assumptions that led them to those interpretations and I realized that nobody goes out and looks at the rocks with a blank mind everybody has a worldview and those worldview ideas were powerful and the world was deceived into thinking that well the facts just speak for themselves but the facts don't speak for themselves and so seeing that historically where that idea came from and then seeing how quickly the church bowed the knee to the scientific majority and thought well that's fact so we're gonna have to reinterpret the Bible that that really opened my eyes to just how critical this issue is.

Right it sounds like it comes down to are you going to listen to man or you're going to listen to God? It's exactly it's man's word against God's word it's it's the words of people who weren't there during that history that they talk about who don't know everything and who are sinful we have to remember that people who wear white lab coats or geologist caps they're sinners just like the rest of us and that sin Paul says darkens the mind and it causes us to think wrong things come to wrong conclusions.

Okay Dr. Chaffee we've already heard three best answers I don't know if yours got taken or not but yeah.

Dr. Price you stole my answer. You know like Dr. Snelling said the the rocks that we find out there the the layers fossil-bearing layers are just testimony to the flood. I've had the opportunity to hike through the Grand Canyon and see these you know massive layers hundreds of feet thick all bearing fossils at it and as he said they're cross continents.

I think that's the very clear-cut proof of the flood. I've seen how these things can form rapidly. I've hiked through the Little Grand Canyon up near Mount St. Helens and I've got a picture of me standing in this canyon and what's really remarkable is I'm the oldest thing in the picture because the the walls of that Canyon were formed you know since 1980 and I'm older than that and to pick up on what Dr. Price said with those flood legends hundreds of those around the globe and a lot of times people do point out the similarities and he mentioned real quickly the differences to me what's important about the differences it shows that it wasn't just spread by missionaries you know a decade or two before the anthropologists recorded those those the legends and instead it was something that had been passed down year after generation after generation and so these people knew about this ancient worldwide flood throughout their history and so that the differences really are remarkable to me.

So you know Mount St. Helens I used to lead tours there and when I would give tours I'd point out the same thing is that all the layers and everything that were there were more recent and which made me older than dirt.

So anyway.

So Dr. Biddle what's the number one evidence? I think if I had to reduce it down to just one the key the best most compelling evidence for the flood I'm gonna go with dinosaur soft tissue. That was very very convincing to me because I was conditioned through my secular education that all dinosaur fossils that you know are just petrified rocks.

They're just bones that have been hardened and totally permineralized and replaced by rocks and minerals. But when you start doing the research on that like I've done I mean even the the leading founder of the Royal Tyrrell Museum says that most dinosaur fossils now found are organic.

They're bone they're still bone the original material. So I plunged deeply into that field for a time and I've learned that now that's not just one different type of soft tissue that they found. There are up to 16 different varieties or flavors of different types of bio-organic materials that simply cannot be millions of years old.

And I think that's not just drawing from creationist literature. There is a hundred and twenty-two peer-reviewed scientific secular journals out there that have now established these 16 different types of dinosaur soft tissue that are found almost through all all the way through the layers of the geological column.

So how in the world could those things be millions of years old. Especially when you look at the narrative if you follow the the literature on dinosaur soft tissue and look at what paleontologists have looked and thought for for decades no one was expecting to find dinosaur soft tissue.

But when they crack these bones open and find things like hemoglobin and red blood cells and blood vessels and collagen and infects and histones and proteins and all these things it simply declares it's almost like the rocks will cry out.

They declare that earth is young and these dinosaurs died catastrophically for the judgment of our.

Sin yeah that is powerful evidence and I've noticed a lot of times when you present that to somebody who believes in the millions of years they don't really have a great answer for that. Okay. I've also heard you talk about the the three-part matrix burial of dinosaurs.

What is that and why is that convincing.

Evidence for the flood. That was also very very telling for me. It was a huge clue because there's all kinds of sections in the middle of America. Well you study dinosaur taphonomy there the conditions in which these creatures are buried.

Many of them are found in a matrix of three different products mud sand and ash. So I had to come headlong with this decision. The finding out what am I gonna think about. These creatures are bigger. Here's a dinosaur.

It's buried under ten feet of those three products mud sand and ash. So I had to think what past earth process could have produced those three different products to encapsulate this bone. Mud sand and ash.

And it's a theory of catastrophic plate tectonics that completely wholesale convinced me that that was the only way we can explain why these creatures are buried in those three things you've got. Mud and sand being brought up from the oceans simultaneously mixed with ash from the rapidly subducting new seafloor that's going underneath the land continent.

So volcanic ash. Exactly. So you had to have those three things. But you need some process that was happening concurrently. That's the thing. And these creatures are buried in the products that killed them.

They were killed by those three things sandwiched and baked in together. So I found that very.

Compelling. You know another interesting topic is the Morrison formation. How does that play into the flood. What what is the Morrison formation. And how does that play in where the dinosaurs are buried in.

The Morrison formations very famous it's full of volcanic ash. Is as Dan has said Dr. Biddle has said and the Morrison formation can be traced from you know down in Texas down to the New Mexican border all the way to Canada and spread right throughout the Western US.

Again a pancake layer you know relatively thin but scattered right across across the US. And we don't see anything like that happening today. This is one of the things modern geology is based on the idea that the present is the key to the past.

Look at present-day processes. So you'll look at a rock line. You have to ask where today do we see a rock layer like this forming. And the answer is nowhere. And so it required explosive volcanic eruptions you know think think Mouths of the Hellens a million times greater that sort of catastrophic eruption spreading dust all over the place and ash.

And and the the dinosaurs get nailed. And we have to remember the key component is that you don't find dead cows out in the paddock now being being fossilized to preserve them you have to bury them rapidly catastrophically everybody knows that.

And to encapsulate the and preserve the bio tissues the biomolecules you have to you have to encapsulate it and meet. And that's right through all the geological record. And that's very very convincing.

And and so the Morrison formation epitomizes this and it's world-famous for all its dinosaur fossils. And they're huge. So you just don't. Yeah sand grain by sand grain by sand grain. You have to entomb the whole animal all at once and on a vast scale throughout the western.

United States and elsewhere. I mean Pat we're talking about a region that touches 13 states over 600 ,000 miles. It's hard to imagine a pancake of sediment that's that broad but it's also up to 300 feet deep 300 feet thick so one on earth could lay a 300 foot thick pancake of sediment buried with 50 species of dinosaurs mammals and fish and clams all across a 13 state region over 600 ,000 miles square miles.

So it had to be a global catastrophic flood. Exactly and.

You know Dr. Snell it's something that you said that. Really I guess I really came to realize a few years back is that we all talk about fossilization like it just happens all of the time. That's kind of the feeling you get.

But in reality fossilization is a very rare kind of ad haecluc accident. Well it's not so much an accident in that sense although you know in the case of the flood you know the flood started and immediately you know the things started blowing up and being swept away and so creatures were encapsulated very rapidly.

But most geologists on the one hand know that you have to preserve the creature rapidly otherwise you don't see it today fossilized. But they don't connect the dots because as Terry says they've already got a bias which says it's got to be over millions of years.

And so they they ignore the fact that you know these fossil graveyards that's what we call them massive graveyards that spread right around the globe with all these fossils in big and small and it all had to happen very rapidly otherwise we wouldn't see the fossils that in those layers today.

Scoffers, 2 Peter 3, and the Worldview Behind Millions of Years

So as you men have done your research and done your work not everybody goes along with what you're you're talking about. Right matter of fact even the Bible predicted that that would happen. In fact I thought it'd be kind of cool just to look at the scripture in a second Peter chapter 3 verse 3 through 7 knowing this first that scoffers will come in the last days walking according to their own loss and saying where is the promise of his coming.

For since the fathers fell asleep all things continue as they were from the beginning of creation. For this they willingly forget that by the Word of God the heavens were of old and the earth standing out of water and in the water by which the world that then existed perished being flooded with water.

But the heavens and the earth which are now preserved by the same word are reserved for fire until the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men. Boy this is amazing because this is a prophecy saying that there's going to be scoffers who don't believe this.

Gentlemen you're you're out there talking about this all the time. Is it true. Are there scoffers. Absolutely. And and the fact is that that prophecy has already been fulfilled. That's what Terry was studying when he was doing his PhD on the history of geology.

And we're told that these scoffers will be willingly ignorant. In other words they were deliberately reject. They'll ignore the evidence that creation occurred the flood occurred. And they'll argue therefore that you Christians talking about Jesus coming again and I'll laugh at it because yeah God didn't create the world and God didn't judge the world during the flood.

The key phrase there is they will assume that all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation. In other words we alluded to that earlier. They will believe that the present is the key to the past that what we observe today has the way it's always been.

And so today's processes are slow and gradual with the occasional earthquake and volcanic eruption. And so they say that's the way it's always been. And that's an assumption because as Terry said they weren't back there.

And I think the key thing I want to move to another passage of Scripture. You remember in John chapter 2 when Jesus turned water into wine he sent the servants with the wine to the master of the feast.

And the master of the feast looked at that wine and on the assumption that that grapes always produce wine over a long period of time he was using his human reasoning alone to say that that took a long time and this was the best wine.

He didn't ask the servants who saw the miracle. They were the eyewitnesses and so what these scoffers are doing are using their own human reasoning. They're ignoring God's Word the eyewitness testimony that we have said the evidence is there for it and they use that to deliberately reject.

And so they've infected the world with this philosophy that the present is the key to the past all things continue as they were and it's being fulfilled because these scoffers arose at the end of the 1700s and into the early 1800s and they were a precursor to Charles Darwin.

Because without the millions of years of geological evolution there's no time for the millions of years of the biological evolution and so that changed the world. In fact it was that was the geologist who first of all rejected God's Word and and brought in this idea.

And the tragedy is Pat. And it's important to point out you know as Dan alluded to earlier people say. But can the majority of scientists been wrong. Absolutely what did Jesus say in his sermon on the mount.

He said narrow is the way and the gate that leads to life. Broad is the way that leads to destruction. A few there be that find it the majority will choose to reject God's Word. And so we shouldn't be surprised.

Yes it's costly to take the narrow way but that leads to life. We we we say God's Word is true because he was there and he saw what happened he told us what happened. And as Randall and Tim said earlier that's why the written account is the derivation of all these spoken accounts in them in the myths and legends because you know the Chinese whisper idea details get befuddled.

But the written account is the original account given to us by God. And so the ultimate question we have to have to ask ourselves are we going to trust what God's Word says. The one who knows everything is who's never makes mistakes never told lies and saw what happened and told us what happened.

Or what are we going to believe the fallible finite scientists who weren't there. And so we we have to humble ourselves give up our human reasoning because we can't understand how Jesus turned water into wine.

We can't understand how God spoke and the world was created. And so it's by faith that we understand these things. But it's not a blind faith faith because God has told us what happened and he's provided the evidence.

We've talked about the evidence for the flood. There's no reason to accept what the scoffers are saying when we find billions of dead things buried in rock lies laid down by water over the earth exactly what we'd expect to find based on God's eyewitness a testimony.

So yes we can test God's Word but we have to trust it in the first place. And we we affirm what God's Word says based on what we see in the world around us. And God expects us to do us do that. He doesn't expect to give us ask to give up our minds.

He wants us to worship him with our heart our soul and our minds. And so he expects us to to discover the evidence and to you. That's part of our Dominion mandate to use the evidence to convince people that God's Word is correct.

And these scoffers are wrong. And we need to trust God's Word from the very beginning because that's the real account of the earth's history. Right. So tonight you sat in the theater and you've heard all of the evidence presented on the movie and I would say they're kind of faced with the challenge right now right.

Are you going to be a scoffer. Are you going to be somebody that just trust God's Word. And when you do all of the evidence fits into it you were about to say something you would agree with that right.

Is that you know one thing the scoffers if you look at their attitude it's just one of dismissal in the Academy today there's mainstream understanding of certain positions and you don't go outside those and you want to keep your job or you want to keep your whatever you know your prestige.

What happens is that these scoffers have totally dismissed the Word of God as a source of authority and so they're leaning on themselves also they have to because their moral inclination is such that if they came to the Word of God it would condemn them rise the judges.

So they have to dismiss this right. That they and that's why in in Peter's context he says they just dismiss everything from creation on as though it never happened because it's not observable is happening today.

One of the important things in the passage it talks about in these last days so it gives us a time frame from the time when Christ came to the time crisis returning and in that time period scoffing or rejection or ridicule of those who hold these biblical positions is expected.

And what's interesting is the very fact that we see that happening and increasingly happening it's simply fulfillment of that prediction. In other words what they are saying they're convincing us by doing that that we're coming even closer to that time of film right.

Can I add one more thing. Of course as it's not just the the geologists who are misleading us but as I've had the privilege of speaking in 35 countries to Christian audiences and I've discovered from my time in seminary most Christian theologians and Bible scholars have bowed the knee to the scientific majority and they're teaching the church.

Well we don't know exactly what Genesis 1 to 11 means and it's really not important as long as you believe that God created and you believe in Jesus. It doesn't matter when God created how God created how long it took to create.

And so not only do Christians have to decide whether they're going to believe God or the scientific majority. And I like to point out that science doesn't say anything. It's scientists and it's not all scientists who say in the earth is millions of years old it's just the majority.

So we're deciding whether we're to believe the scientific majority or God. But also it's increasingly difficult for the Christian because you have to decide whether you're going to believe God's Word or the theological majority.

And I'm not talking about the theological liberals. I'm talking about professing evangelicals who say they believe the Bible is God's Word. Who say they believe Jesus died on the cross and rose from the dead for their salvation.

And yet when they get to Genesis 1 to 11 it's like all of their understanding of how to interpret the Bible goes out the window and it's just becomes mushy confusing. And they're and they're leading lots and lots of seminary students astray and often say Pat the rocks don't have labels on them saying hi I'm millions of years old they're just rocks.

And we impose an interpretation of millions of years on the rocks just like the the master of feast imposed on that wine that Jesus had created you know minutes before along with history which which hadn't happened and yet he could have talked to the eyewitnesses who saw that Jesus turned it instantly into wine just like God's Word declares that Jesus in the Jesus yes the Creator did things instantly at the beginning in Genesis.

Chapter 1 yeah you know that passage reminds me of something we wrote about in the ark in our flood geology exhibit many of these same scientists who say there's no evidence for a worldwide flood on earth.

You know a planet that is 70 covered with water on the surface. Many of them will accept what they call a flood of biblical proportions. You know what they mean is like a third or half the planet of Mars was at one time covered with water.

Why. Because they they see evidence of gullies or other things that look like they were carved by water. Right. And so that's a reasonable conclusion. But as far as we know there's no liquid water on the surface of Mars.

So they're willing to accept that there was a huge catastrophic flood on Mars. And yet when you look at the earth with all of those same features in abundance and much larger scale there were never with a worldwide flood.

So dr. selling let me ask you this if the Bible never said worldwide flood what would every single geology textbook in the world say. It caused the features we see in the world today. So if they were just looking at in the Bible never taught worldwide flood.

Well so what do you think every single geology textbook in the world would say.

I would say that the lies form rapidly because the fossils had to be buried.

Rapidly. So there must be a worldwide flood. Exactly. But the Bible says there was one. So yes they're willingly because they will not accept truth of God. It's.

Not that the evidence isn't there. They make a willing choice to ignore the.

Evidence. It is truly a prophecy that's manifesting in our day age and culture. Because Peter said look his voice echoes through 2 ,000 years. It says just remember this above everything I've said he says scoffers will come in the last days denying what.

Denying two things creation ex nihilo creation out of nothing by water and destruction of the earth by water. So what. What secular college can you graduate from nowadays where you're not indoctrinating that those two things didn't happen.

You're gonna get five or six classes that are mandatory part of the core requirement. They're gonna train that out of you. They're gonna be very much attack that creation ex nihilo creation of nothing didn't happen and the worldwide flood didn't happen.

So it's an amazing fulfillment of prophecy that's happening right here in our age because he says above everything else just remember this one thing in the last days these scoffers are going to come. They're going to deny those two things the flood.

And and three there's another key issue here too because Jesus spoke on the Sermon on the Olivet discourse about his second coming and he says as it was in the days of Noah so shall it be in the coming of the day of Son of Man.

And Peter was there and so he echoes that in 2nd Peter chapter 3. But here's here's the thing they deny the creation they deny the flood and they deny this the second coming. Well as Christians and this is the message for Christians and theologians was the creation global absolutely.

Would Jesus second coming be global. Absolutely. And and Jesus and Peter are comparing the flood to both those events. So the flood had to be global. And so yeah the testimony of Jesus echoed by Peter in that prophecy is very clear that it was all those things are global catastrophic events.

So dr. Snelly let me let me just read that passage really quickly. Matthew 24 verse 37 through 39. But as the days of Noah were so also will be the coming of the Son of Man. Be for as in the days of Noah before the flood they were eating and drinking marrying and giving in marriage until the day that Noah entered the ark and did not know till the flood came and took them all away.