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Hi, I'm Jeff Durbin with Apologia Church and End Abortion Now. Just a few short years ago,

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God called us to start End Abortion Now. End Abortion Now at the very beginning was just Apologia Church trying to equip local churches across the

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United States to start abortion mill ministries to save children's lives. We wanted to create a ministry that was a gospel -centered ministry based upon Scripture, the

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Word of God, that was coming out of local churches to once and for all end abortion.

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We also wanted to actually begin a cultural movement to bring the light of the gospel into the conversation of abortion.

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We knew we needed to do that through media. We wanted to actually inundate platforms globally with millions and millions of views with a focus on the gospel itself in conflict with abortion.

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We also wanted to begin the process of raising up these local churches to bring the gospel to their local legislatures.

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Since we began, since you started this ministry with us years ago, since you gave towards this ministry, since you participated with us in this ministry,

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God has raised up almost 500 local churches globally. The amazing thing to us is that these local churches were not only starting this ministry to save lives, to use the gospel, and to work towards an immediate end of abortion in the

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United States of America, but at this point we have churches that are doing this in Australia, New Zealand, all over North America, that's the

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United States and Canada, and even now in Ireland itself. Through your participation with End Abortion Now, God has saved literally thousands of children from death.

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At this point we have no ability to count how many babies are being saved. I want to give you an update about 2019.

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Many of you guys partnered with us, you prayed with us, you gave towards 2019 in our ministry and mission, and what

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God has done has been absolutely incredible. Not only have we been able to save thousands of children from death, not only have we raised up just so many local churches globally to bring the gospel to their local abortion mills and to demand an immediate end to abortion, we were able to once again spread the message of the gospel in conflict with abortion through media around the globe.

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We did this through regular platforms like Facebook and YouTube, and we were of course able to actually produce the documentary

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Babies Are Still Murdered Here with Marcus Pittman. Not only did Babies Are Still Murdered Here break all the records of the last film, but Babies Are Still Murdered Here is available on YouTube and Facebook and Amazon Prime.

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This film is being seen as it actually communicates the gospel itself in conflict with abortion and it demonstrates the failures of the pro -life movements to work consistently to once and for all in demanding an immediate end to abortion in their cities, in their towns, in their states.

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You were a part of that. You helped to make that happen. This happened across the United States of America and it was everybody from pastors to little children demanding an immediate end to abortion in their cities.

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You helped to start that movement to bring Christians to their legislature to demand the criminalization, the end, the abolishment of abortion in the

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United States of America. Through your partnership in 2019, you helped us to equip and to send out kits to local churches across the

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United States of America to train those churches and you were able to help us so that we were doing this completely for free for those churches.

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It was no cost whatsoever to them. You also helped us through your partnership to actually begin a platform where all of these local churches can communicate with one another minute by minute to coordinate to bring the good news into their cities, into their towns, into their states.

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You also helped us to produce content that would equip these churches to begin their own media ministry so that we could begin the transformation of the culture with the light of the gospel across all social media platforms.

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In 2019 all of this work began because you were a part of it with us at the beginning of the year.

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We want to say thank you for everything you did with us in 2019. We're grateful to God for all that he's done and truly this thing is just beginning.

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In 2020 we have a very big year ahead of us. Now that all the pieces are in place, now that we've actually raised up nearly 500 local churches to do this movement with us, now we've been able to equip these churches completely for free, now that they're out saving thousands of lives, and now that Christians are beginning the process of speaking to their legislatures with the message of the gospel demanding an immediate end to abortion, and now that we are flooding the media with the content of the gospel in conflict with abortion, we're ready to have 2020 be the first year we pray that there would be sanctuary cities and an end of abortion in cities, states, and in this nation.

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That's what we're working towards in 2020. All of the platforms have been laid down. All of the foundations are there.

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2020 is the year where, God willing, we are hoping to raise up so many more churches to begin this work with us to save thousands more lives, but also to work together as a team with all those churches to once and for all end, criminalize, and abolish abortion in our nation.

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Because you joined together with us, because you served alongside of us, and because you partnered with us in ministry, you made all this possible.

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All of the thousands of children that are alive today because of Christians going out to preach the gospel in this issue, they're alive today because of your work together with us.

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So we're humbled by it, we're grateful for it, and we want to ask you whether you've participated with us before or not, to prayerfully consider giving towards this work for 2020, to end abortion, to criminalize it once and for all, and to do it as Christians.

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Help us in 2020 to once and for all end this.

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Help us to shut these places down, and help us to do it with the message of the gospel.

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There is no abomination more likely to kindle the judgment of God against a nation than the murder of the unborn.

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Child sacrifice and the shedding of innocent blood not only brings judgment, it is judgment, brothers and sisters.

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You're called to love, you're called to protect, you're called to be sacrificial, you're not called to sacrifice, you're made in the image of God, ma 'am.

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Abortion is murder. It's murder. Murder is the unjustified killing of a human being with malice of forethought.

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That is murder. Hear now the words of the living and the true

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God. If you faint in the day of adversity, your strength is small.

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Rescue those who are being taken away to death. Hold back those who are stumbling to the slaughter.

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If you say, behold, we did not know this. Does not he who weighs the heart perceive it?

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Does not he who weighs the heart perceive it? Does not he who keeps watch over your soul know it?

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And will he not repay man according to his work? As far as the reading of God's holy word, let's pray together.

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Father, I pray, Lord, that you would get me out of the way, that you would speak to your people.

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Lord, open your words to our understanding. I pray that you illuminate your words today.

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Help us to see and understand. Open our minds to your truth. Lord, please use us.

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Use us, Father, to bring your people to yourself, to spread light into our world, and to be salt.

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I pray, Lord, specifically for this room, the people who have sacrificed time to be here,

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Lord, who are listening to your word. I pray, Lord, you'd raise people up in this room that you would use to bring healing to this nation, to bring justice.

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We pray this in Jesus' name. Amen. It's a powerful text.

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I just read to you Proverbs 24. It is one of the verses, actually, that God used to impress upon us at Apologia Church our need to lay our lives down for the sake of love for God and love for our neighbor.

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It's a powerful verse. The Proverbs is an amazing book. It really is, and it's a powerful book of wisdom, and that is skill in living.

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How do you live for God? How do you live in a way that glorifies God, honors

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God? And it's a powerful book because you go from verse to verse to verse, and it's divine wisdom.

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It's skill in living, not simply knowledge, not gaining knowledge and understanding.

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It's not merely the abstract. Wisdom, to a Jew, is skill in living.

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How do I live? How does God intend for me to live? What's his will in my life? And this is a powerful section of Scripture because there's a command here.

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Rescue those who are being taken away to death. Hold back those who are stumbling to the slaughter. This is not the kind of thing, the kind of ministry that is, well,

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I don't wanna do that. I'm not sure that I'm really called to that. This is a command of God in Scripture.

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This goes out to all of God's people. Rescue those who are being taken away to death. Hold back those who are stumbling to the slaughter.

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And of course, this principle fits other contexts as well, but in our context, we're talking about the most vulnerable among us.

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We're talking about fatherless children, children who have been abandoned by their fathers and, of course, their mothers.

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This is the weakest among us. This is the most innocent among us. These are children who have no voice, only heartbeats to call out.

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No voice, no ability to speak for themselves, and these are those who are being led to the slaughter.

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In my nation alone, as I mentioned earlier, we're about 60 million babies deep, 60 million image bearers of God.

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We have dwarfed the Holocaust in comparison. I just posted something on my page,

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I believe, last night, and it was talking about who's the greatest mass murderer of history, and it's interesting to note that in the lineup of the greatest mass murderers in history, they were all socialists, communists, atheists, so that is, of course, interesting to note.

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The worldview behind the greatest mass murderers in history was not the Christian worldview, but the

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Marxist, atheistic, agnostic, socialist worldview. But it's interesting, because the numbers that they told about the greatest mass murderers were like, well, this guy made 10 million, this one is 45 million, so the greatest mass murderer in history.

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But in reality, if you look at just my nation alone, we're about 60 million deep in four decades.

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60 million children dead, slaughtered, torn from limb to limb, and it's quite honestly incomprehensible.

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It's impossible for us to actually fathom that. Let's just be honest with it. When you hear the number 3 ,000 babies a day plus murdered in my nation alone, there is no way for an image bearer of God with the weight of that kind of injustice for us to fully comprehend it.

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You can't understand it. 60 million children dead is just too easy to say.

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It's over too quickly. It truly is. There's no way to fathom it, no way to comprehend it, and I think that's what's deadened us to it, and that's why we're so apathetic, we're so indifferent.

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We call it evil, we call it a monstrosity, we say that it must end, but I have to ask the question to myself first, and I have, are you morally indignant, but then nothing, no fruit, nothing to display the moral indignance?

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Are you truly genuine in your affections? Let love be genuine.

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Am I genuine in my affections for my pre -born neighbors? Love God, love neighbor.

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No matter where you're at in the law of God discussion, we can all agree that for Christians in the

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New Covenant, the command of God is to love God and to love our neighbor. All of God's commandments rest upon those two commandments, and when we think about this particular text, this verse before us, with a command to hold them back or being led to the slaughter, and when we think about our pre -born neighbors who are dying, every minute they're being slaughtered, not deaths that are humane in terms of how can we make this easier for this image -bearer of God so there's not as much pain?

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How am I truly loving them when I know the facts that abortionists go into a woman with tools, they feel around for a limb, and when they catch one, they pull hard out of the mother, and a leg comes out.

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They reach back in, they pull off a limb, another one, an arm, and then they reach back in, they tear the torso to pieces, and then they reach back in and search for the skull, and when they grab the skull, they know because they can't pull them all the way down, then they crush, and when they crush that skull of that baby, stuff comes out, the brains, and then after this baby comes out of the mother, they have to put the baby back together again like a puzzle on the tray to make sure they haven't left pieces of this woman's son or daughter inside of her womb so that she doesn't get an infection and get sick and die.

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This is a brutal process. It is not only inhumane, it is excruciating for that child in the womb.

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It is a barbaric and disgusting practice, or of course you can have the chemical abortion where you'll take a pill and then the mother will give birth to her baby boy or baby girl in the toilet.

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This is where we're at, this is what we have to face, and when Jesus tells me love your neighbor, love your neighbor as you love yourself, greater love has no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends.

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We have to contextualize that and think about it in terms of our cultures, both yours and mine.

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This is happening on a large scale in my culture and in your culture, we have to ask the question, how am

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I loving God and loving my neighbor in the context of abortion? Of course this isn't the only sin we have to speak with the gospel against, it's not the only sin, this isn't the only thing, but it is an apparent, obvious injustice that is taking place right next to us.

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One of the things I had to ask myself in light of this particular text years ago, as a minister of the gospel, as somebody who was pro -life, as somebody who spoke and gave sermons against abortion, am

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I truly serious about this? Do I actually believe that these are image bearers of God?

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Do I believe that these are children? Do I believe this is my neighbor? Do I really believe it?

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Well yes, of course, Lord, I believe that it is, I believe everything that I'm saying. And the question I have to ask is, well,

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I have these children being killed less than 20 minutes away from my home.

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What have I ever done to go and show my love for God and love for this little boy or little girl or this mother or father?

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What have I ever done to actually put legs on my love? And the answer was, quite frankly, nothing.

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I haven't done anything, nothing, except just talk about it at coffee shops, talking about what Christians and, of course, vote pro -life.

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And there's something to be considered in terms of when this injustice is all around us,

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I think that Christians in the West, we have truncated the gospel. Please hear me on this, please.

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I know it's late, but I need you to listen closely to this. I think we have truncated the gospel to simple things like what the gospel is, is that you get to go to heaven one day.

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That's the gospel. That's what we say about the gospel, is that if you believe in Jesus, you get to go to heaven today, and that's it.

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That's what we believe about the whole gospel, is that Jesus is God. He came and lived a perfect life and died for sins and rose again.

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Why did he go through all of that? Well, fundamentally, it's so you get to go to heaven one day and the answer is, yes, of course, it's the gift of eternal life and Jesus through his work.

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But I believe that we have backgrounded what's in the foreground of the gospel and we have foregrounded what's in the background of the gospel.

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So what I mean is, is we've taken a blessing of the gospel, a truth of the gospel like heaven one day and eternal life is a gift of God apart from any works.

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We've put that at the very front of the description of the gospel and we have backgrounded what's at the very front of the gospel and that's the lordship of Jesus Christ, his redemption of all of creation.

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The fact that Jesus is putting every enemy under his feet. Did you know, for Christians, of course, one of the favorite

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Bible verses is John 3 .16? Some of you may have it on your T -shirt right now. We have

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T -shirts with our favorite chestnut verses as Christians, right? John 3 .16, we wave it at ballparks and games and things like that.

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That's what we do, we have our favorite verses. Well, did you know that I think you can find what God's favorite

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Bible verse is? It's the one that's quoted the most in the New Testament, alluded to, and that is

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Psalm 110 .1. It's the most quoted and alluded to verse in the

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New Testament from the Old Testament. So the inspired authors of the

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New Testament quote this one the most and it's Psalm 110 .1. What is that? The Lord said unto my

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Lord, sit at my right hand until I make your enemies a footstool for your feet.

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Never forget Psalm 2, one of the promises of the kingdom of God. The Messiah himself as he came into the world, the promise from the

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Father to the Son. The Father speaks to the Son in the

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Old Testament. Take that, modalism. That was a theology nerd joke, okay?

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The Father speaks to the Son in the Old Testament in Psalm 2. Here's what he says, he says this to the Son. Ask of me and I will give you the nations for your inheritance, the very ends of the earth for your possession.

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Ask of me, I'll give you the nations for your inheritance, the very ends of the earth for your possession.

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That's what God says to the Son. And then he warns the kings of the earth. He says this, be wise, obey the

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Son or you'll perish. So Jesus, I'll give you the earth as your possession.

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All the nations, just ask me. And kings, obey my Son or you're gonna perish.

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Question to be asked is something one of my heroes of the faith asked on that particular verse.

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He says, do we think as Christians that Jesus forgot to ask?

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It's quite obvious Jesus didn't forget to ask because his great commission to us in Matthew 28, 18 through 20 was this, all authority, all authority.

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I need to say it again because I don't think that Christians in the West have grasped that in the 21st century.

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Our forebearers did. When they built civilizations, when they built communities and cultures, they built it with the understanding that Jesus was the king.

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He was to be obeyed in the home, in the church and in the legislature.

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All authority in heaven, every evangelical Christian believes that. We love that.

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Jesus wields ultimate authority in heaven, right? He's the king on his throne and all the angels bow before him.

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All the saints that have preceded us before him, they're all before his throne. He has absolute authority in heaven.

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Every evangelical Christian says absolutely, yay and amen. Jesus is the king of heaven. He's in charge of everything.

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His authority is unquestioned. Everything in heaven kneels and bows to Jesus. All authority in heaven, every evangelical says amen.

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And here's the part we miss. And on earth has been, past tense, given to me.

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So the Great Commission, after Jesus' perfect life and death and resurrection, the Great Commission starts with all authority in heaven and on earth is mine.

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Now it has been given to me. Jesus didn't forget to ask the father for the nations and the earth for his inheritance.

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And he says, therefore go, because all the authority in heaven and on earth is mine, therefore go and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the father and the son and the

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Holy Spirit, teaching them to obey. So Jesus says, disciple the nations, teach the nation to obey me.

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Why? Because all authority is mine. Jesus is ascended and seated on his throne.

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He is ruling over his kingdom. Now all nations, tribes, peoples, tongues must come to Jesus and bow to him in submission and worship.

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That's the command of the gospel. The gospel is not a suggestion, as we hear it often today with evangelicals.

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You can listen to men like Rick Warren, Christmas time a couple of years ago, he's on Fox News, and he says,

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I just want you to give Jesus a trial. Just give him a 90 day trial or 60 day trial or whatever

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Warren says. Give Jesus a chance. There's this bumper sticker, very popular in the United States.

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Whenever I see it, I have to work on my sanctification. I say this often. Whenever I see it,

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I have to work on not crashing my car into that car. I try to work on loving my neighbor. And what it says is this,

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Jesus died. Jesus died for the opportunity.

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Will you give him a chance? Give Jesus a chance. He died for the opportunity.

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Give Jesus a chance. He died for the opportunity. I'm sorry, brothers and sisters, that is not the call of the gospel.

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That's not how the apostles preached it. That's not how Jesus preached it. That is not how the gospel is communicated.

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And we ask the question, why are our cultures falling into this abyss, into this darkness? Why are they going at the rapid speed that they are?

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Well, Jesus has an answer for that. He says in the most famous sermon in the history of the world, the Sermon on the

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Mount, he says to the church, he says that the meek shall inherit the earth.

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God's people will inherit the earth. Did you hear it? God's people will inherit the earth.

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And he says to the church, he says, you are the salt of the earth. You are the light of the world. What's salt in Jesus' culture?

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It's a preservative. It preserves things from spoil and decay. And what is light but something that dispels darkness?

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And Jesus says, that's your role, church. You're the salt of the earth. You're the light of the world. And we ask the question, well, what's wrong with our cultures?

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What's wrong with our world? Well, if we're the light of the world and the salt of the earth and we don't have a gospel that resembles

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Jesus' gospel, I think we've found our problem. We act like Jesus is something you try out.

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We act like Jesus and his message is something that, well, you can take or leave. It's really just sort of optional.

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It's a give him a try kind of a thing. Jesus says, I'm the ruler of the world. I'm sitting on my throne.

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I've died to purchase the world. I am risen. I am the king of kings and Lord of lords. Repent and believe the gospel.

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Turn from your sin and trust in me. That's the call of the gospel. It's a command, not some option.

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And I want you to see something in terms of as Christians when we hear this message about abortion and our call to face this injustice,

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I want you to think about something that I had to really grapple with and it was something in Isaiah chapter two.

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So turn your Bibles to Isaiah chapter two. We, I think, often focus so much inward on the church and church issues that we tend to, again, truncate things to, well, the gospel's about heaven one day.

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It doesn't have much to say about this earth and the world around us. We've truncated the gospel to a few propositions and things where we go when we promise people heaven one day.

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Well, they give Jesus a chance so they can go to heaven one day. Is God concerned with anything more than that?

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I would say when the Bible calls Jesus the king of kings and the Lord of lords, that speaks to position and authority right now, not in heaven one day.

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It's not merely some Christian slogan. Jesus is the king of kings and Lord of lords with no meaning.

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It has absolute meaning. Jesus rules over the kings of the earth now and if they don't obey him, when his wrath is kindled, they will not last.

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Is Jesus concerned with the world around us? Is Jesus concerned with the world being preserved by the church and its saltiness and its light?

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I want you to hear this from God and Isaiah. Now, I wanna just preface this by saying this. Please listen closely to this.

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I realize that our situation is not identical to Israel's situation here, but the principles here do not change because God does not change.

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I am the Lord, I change not. That's what God says about his own character.

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So my point here is that as you read Isaiah here and God's word to his people, understand that God's character does not change.

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His will does not change. His desires don't change. In this particular case, this gives us the heart of God about the fatherless.

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Here it is, Isaiah chapter one. Isaiah chapter one, verse 10.

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Hear the word of the Lord, you rulers of Sodom. Give ear to the teaching of our God, you people of Gomorrah.

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What to me is the multitude of your sacrifices, says the Lord. I've had enough of burnt offerings of rams and the fat of well -fed beasts.

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I do not delight in the blood of bulls or of lambs or of goats. When you come to appear before me, who has required of you this trampling of my courts?

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Bring no more vain offerings. Incense is an abomination to me.

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New moon and Sabbath and the calling of convocations. I cannot endure iniquity and solemn assembly.

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Your new moons and your appointed feasts, my soul hates.

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They've become a burden to me. I am weary of bearing them. When you spread out your hands, I will hide my eyes from you.

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Even though you make many prayers, I will not listen. Your hands are full of blood. Wash yourselves, make yourselves clean.

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Remove the evil of your deeds from before my eyes. Cease to do evil. Learn to do good.

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Seek justice. Correct oppression. Bring justice to the fatherless.

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Plead the widow's cause. Come now, let us reason together, says the Lord. Though your sins are like scarlet, they shall be as white as snow.

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Though they are red like crimson, they shall become like wool. If you're willing and obedient, you shall eat the good of the land, but if you refuse and rebel, you shall be eaten by the sword, for the mouth of the

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Lord has spoken. Here it is, how the faithful city has become a whore.

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She who is full of justice, righteousness lodged in her, but now murderers.

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Your silvers become dross, your best wine mixed with water, your princes are rebels and companions of thieves.

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Everyone loves a bribe and runs after gifts. They, listen, do not bring justice to the fatherless, and the widow's cause does not come to them.

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There's another one of those chestnut verses. Do you hear it? Right, that's one of those verses we put on cards as Christians.

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We put that on Facebook statuses and Instagram posts. Girls get nice cups of coffee, like lattes and flowers and, you know,

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Bibles and shot of Isaiah chapter one. Come now, let us reason together. Though your sins are as scarlet, they'll be white as snow.

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Do you ever consider, with that particular text in this context, that that verse right there, that call of God, come, let us reason together.

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Though your sins are as scarlet, they'll be white as snow. God calling his people to come to him for forgiveness and him promising a complete washing away of our sins is in the context of God saying his soul hates their worship, and why?

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Because they are not ceasing to do evil, learning to do good, seeking justice, correcting oppression, and they do not bring justice to the fatherless.

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God's heart here with the fatherless is that you will not bring justice to the fatherless.

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You won't care for these orphaned children. There are murderers lodged in you, and you come to me with prayers and hands and worship and convocation and new moons and Sabbath and incense.

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You have all this religious worship, all this religiosity, and in the midst of that religiosity, you have the fatherless children, injustice, murder, and you do nothing, and God says, my soul hates your worship.

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Why? Because of the injustice that you tolerate, you do nothing about it.

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You do not seek to correct this oppression, and so I hate your worship. I don't want your worship.

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What do I want from you? I want true worship. I want justice. I want you to correct oppression, cease to do evil, learn to do good.

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Plead the cause of the fatherless child. It's a powerful thing to consider.

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Brothers and sisters, please let it hit you. Don't let these words go over you.

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Don't think to yourself, this is for somebody else. Brothers and sisters, this is the word of God speaking to us and listen,

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I am just sharing this with you from the bottom of my heart. I am not a motivational speaker. Do not misunderstand my passion here for motivational speaking.

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I am not trying to sell you anything, nothing. I'm giving you the word of God on something that is vitally important to understand as Christians.

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I am not gonna romanticize this ministry. I will not lie to you. This ministry is awful.

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It is horrible. It is ugly. It is not fun. There is persecution.

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There is danger. There are consequences to this ministry. I will not romanticize this ministry for you.

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I will not. There are beautiful ministries, adoption ministries, where you get hugs around your neck and you get treated in a lovely way because people see what you're doing.

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You're caring for fatherless children and you're caring for them. It's in a totally different context. There are homeless ministries where when you go out to lay your life down to love your neighbor, you go to give them food, you go to give them stuff to drink and toothbrushes and clothes and shoes and when they receive it, they welcome you and they love you and they hug you.

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This ministry is the culture of life coming against the culture of death and it is a hostile culture.

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It is a culture that is founded upon rebellion against our creator. You are touching on and I am touching on one of the very core parts of the fallenness of our culture and that is that our hatred for God.

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Understand this, brothers and sisters, please hear me on this. The abortion issue is not an issue of the left versus the right, conservatives versus liberals, the liberal party versus the labor party.

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This is an issue of sin and rebellion against God. This is an issue of fallen hearts. God says this, those who hate me love death.

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Those who hate me love death. The answer for abortion in our culture is very simple, it's fallen people who need the gospel.

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Abortion is a gospel issue, a gospel issue and I want to encourage you to hear this.

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Not only do these texts apply to us as God's people, I want you to encourage you to think about this. This is not a romantic and amazing and beautiful ministry.

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There are moments like Scott showed you that are quite beautiful and amazing and they'll change your life. I don't want to diminish that at all but I want to warn you,

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I am calling you to lay your life down. That's what I'm calling you to. I'm calling you to come and die.

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That's the kind of call that Jesus gave for himself. He would speak to thousands of people, crowds, large crowds following Jesus.

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I bet you all of them, the majority of them would have identified with Jesus. Yeah, that's the Messiah. Look what he's doing.

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Look at the miracles. Look at the food. Look at all that he's doing. Look at the way he speaks and teaches. Sure, that's the

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Messiah. They would have been nominal followers of Jesus. No question about that for what Jesus did for them.

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But when Jesus turns to them in Luke and says this, if anyone comes to me and does not hate, father, mother,

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Jesus naming everyone we love the most, sister, brother, wife, and even your own life, you're not worthy to be my disciple.

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He says, if you don't take up the cross and do the death march, walk to your death, you're not worthy to be my disciple.

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And there is the moment where you see those who truly know Jesus, understand his message, because they all leave.

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And they walk away. And Jesus turns, of course, to the ones that are still there. He says, do you also want to leave?

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And they say, where are we gonna go? You have the words of eternal life.

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They understood who he was. They understood the context of this world and this message. But the nominal ones that understand the commitment turned away from Jesus.

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They didn't want to come and die. And just know this, that when you come to Christ and you are joined to him, you are joined to him in his death and resurrection.

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And as a believer, it is a gift of God, a gift from his hands, a beautiful gift that smells like Christmas.

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It is wrapped and has a bow on it, a gift from God, Philippians 1 .29.

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It has been gifted to you not only to believe in Christ, listen, listen, but also to suffer for his sake.

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Both are gifts from God. And if we're honest with ourselves, we always say to the first one, yes, thank you.

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The gift of faith to believe in Jesus. You can keep the second gift, Lord, I'll take the first.

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But both are gifts from God, you hear it? Both are gifts from God, faith in Jesus and suffering for Christ.

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When you enter into God's kingdom, you get Christ's righteousness, amen? No more guilt, no more shame.

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God will never count your sins against you. He counts you righteous apart from works, but never forget you are brought into a kingdom under the rule of Jesus.

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And he employs us into the world to be his light, his light into the world.

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And please hear me on this, I'm calling you to be godly troublemakers. I hear that's a real problem in the

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Australian church. It is in mine too in the United States. It's a problem in our church. We love our comforts, we love our comfort.

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A brother just reminded me during the break about a quote from a well -known

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Christian that says, the greatest enemy of the 21st century church is the 21st century church.

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It's not liberalism, it's not Marxism, it's not socialism, it's not Mormonism, the Watchtower, Roman Catholicism or whatever you wanna throw in there.

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The greatest enemy of the 21st century church is the 21st century church in terms of we love our comforts, we have an idol of comfort, an idol of self, we don't want to risk, we don't want to suffer, we don't want to sacrifice.

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Be honest. We're afraid to face this down in our culture because of what people will think about us, what people will say about us, what we will lose.

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And as we idolize comfort and all these things, ease, not wanting to be persecuted, children die every moment in our culture, dead, ripped to shreds, gone, never to be found again, thrown into dumpsters and toilets, children, image bearers of God, dead.

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They die all around us while we love our comfort, while we worship our comfort ourselves. I'm calling you to be godly troublemakers, the kind of godly troublemakers that you see in our

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New Testament. Here's what I'm gonna challenge you to do. Please, remember this. Acts, read the book of Acts, do it.

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Read the book of Acts. This next week, do this, try this. Read the book of Acts every day, once a day.

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It won't take you that long. Sacrifice some Netflix time and just read the book of Acts, once a day, every day.

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And I challenge you, I challenge you to read the book of Acts and ask the question, does their methodology of engaging the world in the public square with the gospel, does it match our methodology today?

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You see, they went into the culture with the gospel. I think Zach said it to you earlier when

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Jesus talks about the church, he says that the gates of hell will not prevail against the church.

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Gates are defensive, they don't move. We think about it like the gates of hell won't prevail on us, like they're coming towards us.

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No, the gates of hell will not prevail against the church that is overcoming them.

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And the church in the New Testament that turned the world upside down in a generation, in a generation, that church was engaging in the public square.

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People often say, yes, but Pastor Jeff, that's a different culture. It's just so different now, it's just different. You see, our culture, we can never engage in the public square like that because it's just, you know, it's seen as offensive and people don't like it and they make them angry, a riot might break out, you might take a beating for it, might get thrown into jail.

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All those things happen to the church in the book of Acts. It wasn't a different culture, it was a hostile culture that needed

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Christ and the apostles and early leaders of the church were willing to lay their lives down for the sake of love, love of God and love for neighbor.

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And they were suffering and they were abused and riots broke out. When they came to a place to preach the gospel in the public square, riots would break out.

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They were thrown into jail and beaten. People would take oaths not to eat until the apostle

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Paul is dead. That's the kind of thing that took place in the first century and listen please, the apostle

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Paul can say within a generation of the death and resurrection of Jesus, he can say this in Romans chapter one to the church in Rome, your faith is being proclaimed throughout the entire world.

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In Colossians chapter one, Paul says that the gospel has been preached to every creature under heaven in the first century.

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That is glorious, of course at the time he's talking about the known empire. It had spread throughout the entire empire.

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Churches were popping up everywhere, why? The church wasn't starting Bible studies in basements.

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They were bringing the gospel in full power, 100 proof gospel into the culture and they were suffering as a result of it and I want you to hear this in Acts chapter nine.

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It's a fantastic example, go read it later. Paul gets knocked off of his high horse. He comes to Jesus right after he was just persecuting the church, he says in Galatians that he tried to destroy the church itself.

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He is trying to take Christians to jail and to beatings and all the rest. He meets Jesus, his eyes are opened, he turns to Christ and in Acts nine, listen, as soon as Paul comes to Jesus, he takes a beeline to Damascus and it says that he goes to the place of religious worship, to their synagogue and he actually argues with the

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Jews in their place of religious worship, saying what to them?

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That they're wrong, that they need to repent of their sins and come to Jesus. How offensive, that's not very loving,

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Paul. Paul, listen, you gotta understand, I think there's a better way to love those people, you know,

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I think Paul, if you could just, if you could just tell them about all that the

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Lord has for them, the good things and their best life and people would love it, Paul, right?

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Like it's just not loving to be so confrontational. You offended a lot of people in there, Paul. I'm just saying, I just don't know.

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I just don't know, right? Like I think you can hear the 21st century evangelical wishy -washy

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Christian saying to Paul, that's not very loving, but what happened when Paul goes into a confrontational mode with love and grace and respect and humility and he argues with the

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Jews in their synagogue, here's the result, read the text, Acts nine. It says that the church was built up because of his engaging in the public square.

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It says that the church experienced peace, that it was multiplied, what's that mean?

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People were being saved, the church was growing, it was extending, and it says, ready, some people wanted to kill him.

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They want him dead, so all this blessing and conflict and all this stuff and people being offended in the gospel, people being saved, the church experienced peace, building up, and then this segment over here of people wants

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Paul dead. And I think many of us, maybe today, because of unbiblical influences, might say, maybe that was a better way.

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See, if you could've done it in a way where they didn't want to kill you, then that would be like Jesus.

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Are you hearing it? That is how our faith comes into this fallen world.

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It comes with light, it comes with conflict, you see it throughout the book of Acts. Engaging in the public square, we need godly troublemakers to light godly fires.

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Not for your sake, not for popularity, not for glory, for the glory of Jesus.

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Not for your glory, for his glory, for the glory of the gospel. We go into the culture, we preach the gospel like our forebearers have.

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They would go into cultures and communities of complete pagans who would kill them, and they'd preach the gospel faithfully till the entire culture, by the end of their life, came to Jesus and was considered a

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Christian nation. It wasn't easy for them either. They faced consequences and suffering.

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They were willing to lay their lives down for the sake of the lost. Acts chapter nine, Acts 17,

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Paul at the Areopagus. He's not going to the Areopagus, this place of the Epicureans and the

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Stoics and Aristotle and Socrates. He wasn't going there to share some interesting ideas and philosophies, they just wanted to hear, oh, what's your take on things,

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Paul? Come, let us hear it. They were bringing him up on preliminary charges. It was hostile, and what's he say?

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He says, well, you already know the God that I'm talking about. You even built an altar to him here. You know everything that I'm saying is true, and what

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God has done is he's given us Jesus, raised him up, and he says, and he commands men everywhere to repent.

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Did you hear it? Commands, commands. He told them, in a hostile context,

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God commands you to repent of your sin and turn to his son. That was Acts 17. Acts 18,

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Apollos, one of my favorite characters in scripture that we know very little about. It's just little spaces, and I love

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Apollos. He says he was mighty in the scriptures, he was eloquent, and it says in Acts 18, he refuted the

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Jews publicly, proving from the scriptures that Jesus is

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Mashiach, that Jesus is the Messiah. You see, again, the Christians engaging in the public square, in the public square, which means a big blessing for us today, brothers and sisters, because the public square has expanded now.

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It's not just out there, but now God has given us a gift. The internet is a gift for Christians from God.

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Thank you. The public square is also now right in your pocket. It's right in your pocket.

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You can reach out to the world in an instant. The public square is being used by the opposition, unbelievers, socialists,

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Marxists, those who seek to destroy the world that God has made. They have learned how to use the public square in your pocket.

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We have to do the same with the gospel. Just consider the blessing we have now, brothers and sisters.

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Here I am from Phoenix, Arizona, in Sydney, Australia, sitting with a room of brothers and sisters in this room right now who have shared with me the amazing stories that I'm humbled by and I deserve no credit for, about how

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God has changed your life because of what God has done through our ministry. All I did was push a button.

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You're watching and listening to things and being changed by them because we pushed a button. We used the public square.

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You need to use it too with boldness in your culture. So what's this going to take? What's it gonna take?

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Couple points. Listen, there's nothing spectacular about this. Brothers and sisters, listen. You can continue to learn.

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You can continue to grow in this area in terms of overcoming objections and arguments from believers and unbelievers in facing abortion with the gospel, but this is not a complicated thing.

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Abortion is an issue of sin. Don't nod your heads with the typical

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Christian response where we hear something we're supposed to say yes to or agree with theologically and we just have the, you know, just like your doctor hits your knee with a hammer and you just kick because it's just a reflex, right?

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Just yes, amen. I want you to think about that. Abortion's an issue of national sin. National sin.

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Individual hearts that are fallen, rebellious against their creator, they don't know God, and it's a culture and a nation, national sin, where we all love death together.

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It's an issue of sin, sin against God. And so how do you solve the problem of sin?

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You don't solve it just through mere political processes. You don't start, you don't solve it by saying, hey, come join the

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Labor Party or the Republican Party or this party, let's fight it that way. No, the problem of human sin can only be dealt with in one way, and that's the gospel.

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Do you believe it? Listen, we're brothers and sisters here. I need you to listen to my heart on this.

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Do you believe that? Don't say yes because you're supposed to. Don't say yes because you're a Christian and you know the proper theology.

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I want to ask you, do you believe that the gospel, the good news of God, is the power of God for salvation?

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Do you believe it? That's the only way a person's heart can change, yes? Because you see, listen, if our culture loves death because they hate

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God, if our culture is in this because of their sin, then the only way the culture changes and loves life and not death is if their hearts are renewed and changed.

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What does God say in his word, Ezekiel 36? He says, I'll sprinkle clean water on you and you'll be clean.

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Promise in a new covenant, by the way. He says, I'll cleanse you from all your idols. He says, I will take out the heart of stone and I'll give you a heart of flesh, a heart that was once hard towards God.

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It was impenetrable. Nothing could get through. Now God says, I'll make it malleable. I'll make it soft. I'll put my spirit within you and cause you to observe my statutes.

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If we want our nations to obey God, there's only one way people obey God. Your hearts, regenerated.

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They're made new. They're new creations. Brothers and sisters, don't let this be pithy Christian language.

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This is the truth before God. It's how God saves you and me. It's the truth. So what's the answer?

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What's it gonna take? Number one, it's the gospel that's the power of God for salvation, Romans one. God uses the message of his son and the good news, that call to repentance and faith.

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He uses that message. He broadcasts that message. He empowers it by his spirit and he brings dead people to life.

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They go from death to life. So how do we solve this? It's the gospel itself. When we go to the abortion mills, we're preaching the gospel.

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Our message is very simple out there. I said in the beginning, there's three parts. One, what do we say?

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We tell them the truth. We say, please don't murder your child. Mom, mom, please listen to me.

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We say, you're not gonna leave Planned Parenthood no longer a mother. You're gonna leave the mother of a dead child.

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Please don't murder your child. We bring the law of God to bear on them so that God can use that word to convict them and to challenge them, to drive them to Jesus.

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We also want to remind them of what they've been suppressing all week. The night before, that morning, we've talked to mothers who have turned away from Planned Parenthood or the abortion mill.

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They've come to us. We've loved them and cared for them, thrown them baby showers, bought them furniture. We've done all these different things.

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We've talked to them and they've told us that they've even prayed the night before they had the appointment or that morning.

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God, if you want me not to do this, then please send somebody to stop me.

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And when we're there calling out, mom, please don't murder your baby, that message gets through.

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We say, don't murder your child. Number two, we preach the gospel. We tell them there's hope in Jesus, that they can be forgiven of all their sins.

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We preach to them briefly, quickly, 30 seconds from door to door. We say, Jesus is

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God. He lived perfectly and died for sinners and rose from the dead. You can experience forgiveness and salvation.

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Turn to Christ and live. And the third thing we say is this, we'll help you. We'll give you anything you need.

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We'll adopt your baby. We'll do anything. Please come talk to us. Three things, very simple message. That's at the abortion mill.

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The hope is the gospel. What else is it going to take in our nations? Humble boldness, humble boldness.

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It's the kind of boldness that you see in the New Testament. The kind of boldness that recognizes that it's

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God's message that gets through to save sinners. It's his gospel, his word.

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Faith comes by hearing and hearing by the word of God. That's right, it's

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God's word that opens the hearts of blind people, gives them hearing, lets them see.

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We use the word of God. But we also recognize that we must be humble because what does the

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Bible say? 2 Timothy 2, 24 through 26 says this, the Lord's servant must be patient when wronged, able to teach, and humility, correcting those who oppose themselves.

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Listen, if perhaps God may grant them repentance.

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So what's it going to take? One, the communication of the gospel, a clear communication of the gospel. Two, humble boldness.

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We must preach the gospel boldly in the public square to our culture because God uses the gospel to save.

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But there's a humble boldness because we recognize that we cannot save anybody. It's God's work to raise dead people to life, amen?

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Humble boldness, we have to make sure that we communicate the love of God in the midst of a message that is very, very cutting.

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Next thing, what's it going to take? A willingness to suffer. The gospel, humble boldness, a willingness to suffer.

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In Acts chapter five, go there quickly, Acts chapter five, New Testament account of the church, and this is the apostles now defying the law itself.

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They were commanded to stop preaching in Jesus' name. They were commanded to stop preaching in Jesus' name.

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And in verse 27 of chapter five, it says, and when they had brought them, they set them before the council, and the high priest questioned them, saying, we strictly charge you not to teach in this name.

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Yet here you have filled Jerusalem with your teaching, and you intend to bring this man's blood upon us.

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Pause, pause for a second. Did you catch that? That's incredible. They heard, listen, they heard the message of the apostles, and they interpreted their message as this.

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You're intending to put his blood upon us, that blood guiltiness upon us.

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That's how they heard the preaching of the apostles, that they were guilty. How offensive, how offensive.

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But watch this. But Peter and the apostles answered, we must obey God rather than men. The God of our fathers raised

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Jesus, whom you killed by hanging him on a tree. God exalted him at the right hand as a leader and savior to give repentance to Israel and forgiveness of sins.

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So notice this. They actually were calling out in their day, judging people.

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You're guilty. You killed the Lord of glory. You're guilty. They're saying, you're saying his blood is upon us.

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Well, God has given the savior to give forgiveness and repentance. We're gonna obey God rather than men.

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They're saying, stop preaching in his name. They're saying we're obeying God rather than men. And as you read the account, you'll see of course

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Gamaliel steps in and thankfully he stops them from killing them. But what it says is this in verse 40.

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And when they had called in the apostles, they beat them and charged them not to speak in the name of Jesus and let them go.

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Now watch. This is so convicting. Then they left the presence of the council, rejoicing that they were counted worthy to suffer dishonor for the name.

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And every day in the temple and from house to house, they did not cease teaching and preaching that the Messiah is

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Jesus. Brothers and sisters, they're saying, stop preaching in his name. They do it anyway. They bring him back.

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Stop preaching in his name. They take a beating, a beating. They are hot. They are in pain.

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They are stinging. They are bleeding. And it says that they left the council rejoicing.

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Rejoicing with joy. How many of us would take a beating like that for Jesus and we'd say, okay,

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I'm gonna go take a break. Right, I took a beating for Jesus. I played my part.

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I did my thing. I took a beating. I'm gonna take a break. I'm gonna lay low for a little while. Right, they leave the presence of the council rejoicing that they were counted worthy to suffer.

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To suffer for Jesus. That was their whole context. Worthy to suffer for Jesus.

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And it says that they went on teaching and preaching Jesus. So they disobeyed once again. They kept on teaching and preaching

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Jesus. Counting it as a gift to suffer for Jesus. So what's it gonna take?

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The gospel. What's it gonna take? Humble boldness in the public square. What's it gonna take?

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A willingness to suffer. What's it gonna take? You must lay down your life. Jesus says greater love has no man than this than a man lay down his life for his friends.

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Brothers and sisters, I cannot describe for you. I can't describe for you. I can't. There's no way to put it into words.

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I don't have any way to articulate it. What it feels like when you hold one of these babies in your arms.

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Because you're holding this baby in your arms and you know, seconds.

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Seconds. This baby was seconds. Away from death.

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If I wasn't there, if God hadn't sent me there, if she didn't hear that one word, this baby

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I'm holding onto right now is dead. It changes everything.

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When you see, as I've seen, Olivia Grace and Kara at church, twin girls saved at Planned Parenthood because we were preaching the gospel.

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When you see them running in front of the pulpit during my sermon, they never listen.

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When you see them running in front of the pulpit, you're reminded, these little girls, if the world had their way, they're dead.

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If we weren't there as a church preaching the gospel, they're dead, they don't exist. They're murdered.

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It changes everything. You must be willing to lay your life down. It's going to cost you, I promise.

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I told you I will not romanticize this ministry. It's going to cost you everything.

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What's it worth, though? My life in exchange for thousands? My life for thousands of children in a second?

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What greater way to have love for a neighbor than to lay your life down in this way and to take what comes in terms of suffering?

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Let me just say, I know it's getting late, guys, and I'm so grateful that you have stuck around and you're hanging in there.

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I'll just point to so much I would love to do. I could keep you here until 3 a .m., believe me. I just want to talk about a very important aspect of this, and that's the failure of the pro -life movement.

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This is where we have to get down to the nitty gritty. How? Well, we know, of course, we can go to the abortion mills.

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That's one lane we have to run in. Go to the abortion mills, create ministries that can offer help and resources to these women, and please listen, please listen, please listen.

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Gospel -centered ministries. Our country, my country, is filled with women's resource ministries, ministries in the area of abortion for women, and they do not preach the gospel.

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They will not talk about Christ. They will not give the gospel to women. It is a ministry, a mercy ministry, praise

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God for it, that is not gospel -centered. We need gospel -centered ministries at the front lines, reaching the women who are going to kill their children that day.

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We need gospel ministries that will help women, give them the gospel, and support them, mercy ministries.

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That's one lane. Second lane, we need to have a ministry that actually speaks to the culture, begins engaging the culture at large with the message that abortion is murder.

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From what I understand in Australia, we don't talk about abortion like that, even within the Christian communities, very often.

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Abortion is murder. It's murder. Murder is the unjustified killing of a human being with malice of forethought.

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That is murder. Abortion is murder. And listen, please listen.

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The pro -life movement doesn't want to use the word murder. The pro -life movement does not want to use the word murder, and you have to hear me on this.

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In removing the biblical terminology and the proper judicial terminology of murder, when we've removed it from the conversation because it's offensive, then listen closely, legislators do not have to legislate against abortion.

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Why? If it's not murder, it doesn't need to be legislated against. If the woman, please listen, is a victim, as much as the child is a victim, then legislators never need to create legislation to end abortion, ever.

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Why? Because she's a victim. What's that mean? She's not guilty. There's no criminal charge. There's no nothing.

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She's a victim. Child's a victim. No legislation necessary. We must use biblical language in the culture communicating exactly what the

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Bible says with no neutrality. God's word says that it is an image bearer of God, uniquely created by God, knit together in the womb.

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God's word says this is murder. We must communicate that to our culture.

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We must change the conversation. Listen, this is so critical. Our opposition, unbelievers, those who seek to destroy

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God's order and the culture of Christ, they understand the power of words and controlling the conversation.

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You see it every day in your feed, if you're on Facebook, with Vice, Now This, and all the other organizations that are created as propaganda machines to promote an unbelieving perspective.

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Christians need to actually engage in the public square online, making sure we communicate the message that abortion is murder.

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That's the first. That's the second thing. The third thing is we need to communicate the message that abortion is murder to our legislature.

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And we must communicate the message, abortion is murder. Number two, we want an immediate end to abortion, not merely incremental change.

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And number three, repent and believe. To the abortion mill, repent and believe the gospel.

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To the culture at large, repent and believe the gospel. To the legislature, repent and believe the gospel.

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We need Christians who are willing to be bold enough to preach God's hard and loving truths, even to their legislature.

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Abortion is murder. We want an immediate end to this killing. Here's what

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I want you to hear. I don't want to look or appear to be a person who is just trying to cause unnecessary division.

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Because when I say that the pro -life movement is an abysmal failure, please hear me on this.

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I'm saying that with humility, and I'm saying that as a minister of the gospel, based upon the pro -life movement's abandonment of God's revelation as their foundation.

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I had an interview with Tony Lowinger, who's the vice president of the National Right to Life. Sadly, the

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National Right to Life is influencing not only American politics around abortion, but we discovered when we were trying to help

01:04:11

Ireland, they influenced Ireland as well. They gave them horrible, terrible, unbiblical argumentation, and now abortion is legal in Southern Ireland as of this year.

01:04:23

The pro -life movement in America devastated them. And now the pro -life movement in America is trying to influence the

01:04:30

Australian church. We're the pro -life movement. Believe us, we've got this covered. We've got it handled. Tony Lowinger's the vice president.

01:04:38

We had Christians that we knew who were in Oklahoma. They put forth a bill with a majority pro -life legislature.

01:04:46

Please hear that. Majority pro -life legislator in a state with a whole lot of Christians. They got a bill through with Senator Joseph Silk, and the bill was an immediate end to abortion, criminalization, calling it murder.

01:05:02

And the pro -life legislators in Oklahoma, they asked Tony Lowinger of the

01:05:09

National Right to Life. He came to the legislature. They said, Tony, how do you want us to vote on this?

01:05:15

This was the chance. This was the chance to end abortion immediately, not incrementally, right now.

01:05:21

It would have criminalized it with that one bill. And the pro -life legislature was saying, tell us what to do,

01:05:27

Tony, National Right to Life. Tony told them, don't pass this bill. Why?

01:05:35

He says, if you pass this bill, it'll do away with all of our incremental legislation we put into place.

01:05:43

It's as obvious as the nose on my face, isn't it? Of course it would do away with all the legislation, because what would it do?

01:05:51

It would criminalize abortion outright. And when I had Tony Lowinger, as he was leaving the courthouse, we got people to talk to him, and he was willing to get on the radio with me.

01:06:02

The interview's up for you all to see on YouTube. I tried to be very gracious and very respectful to him.

01:06:08

I tried to let him give his side. And what he said was, that they did not want to use

01:06:14

Christian language in this fight. They wanted to take a backdoor approach. In other words, a non -Christian position of neutrality in the fight against abortion.

01:06:23

Brothers and sisters, no gospel, no salvation. No gospel, no heart change.

01:06:31

And he said that they wanted to work to end abortion incrementally, and hopefully one day the

01:06:38

Supreme Court will reverse their opinion on abortion. I won't get into the discussion of American law, but that's not even necessary in my country.

01:06:46

The states right now could criminalize abortion today, right now, and ignore the opinion of the

01:06:51

Supreme Court, because our Constitution doesn't allow the Supreme Court to create law. It's a court opinion that can be resisted and ignored.

01:06:58

Tony Lowinger said, no gospel, no Bible, neutrality, and he says, backdoor approach.

01:07:07

And he says this. They don't want to use the word murder, because they believe that women are as much victims in abortion as the children.

01:07:22

If women are victims in abortion, there's nothing to repent of. There's nothing to ask

01:07:28

God for forgiveness for. And let me just say this, this is so important. To any women in here who have had abortions, if you trust in Christ, you are saved.

01:07:40

You are forgiven. There is no more guilt. God will never count your sins against you.

01:07:48

You are righteous in Jesus. You are forgiven. You are blameless in Jesus.

01:07:54

You are righteous and no longer a murderer in God's eyes. You are free and forgiven for all eternity.

01:08:02

You are a sister in Christ. Apology of church. We have in our church many women who have had abortions.

01:08:11

I have women in my church that have had multiple abortions. And do you know what they call abortion? Murder. Why?

01:08:20

Because they've experienced the grace of God in the gospel. They've experienced the revelation of who they truly are and their sin before God, and they've met

01:08:31

God's grace in Jesus, and they've been forgiven. Listen, we don't have a message for women who have had abortions in terms of hope and forgiveness.

01:08:42

If we buy into the pro -life's line that they're victims. Brothers and sisters, abortion is the unjustified killing of an image bearer of God with malice of forethought.

01:08:55

It's murder. And the only way to end it in a nation legislatively is the way, please hear this, our forebearers criminalized abortion.

01:09:04

They called abortion murder, and they considered it a crime. And that is how we must, as Christians, speak to this issue.

01:09:11

When you call it murder and a crime, you're being honest about what it is, and you're offering the hope of the gospel in the midst of it.

01:09:19

We get to do both. We get to call it what it is, and we get to tell people about the glorious hope in Jesus Christ.

01:09:26

Final word, and like I said, I wish I had so much more time with you. Jesus says,

01:09:35

Matthew 24. Matthew 24. 25.

01:09:42

He says, on the last day, there's gonna be this vindication where God points to the truth of his people, this glorious vindication.

01:09:56

And he says, I was hungry, and you gave me something to drink, something to eat.

01:10:02

I was thirsty, and you gave me something to drink. I was in prison, and you came and visited me.

01:10:07

And the people of God are saying, when, when did we see you hungry and thirsty and visit you in prison?

01:10:13

And he said, when you did it for the least of these, you did it unto me.

01:10:21

In the context of the fatherless, in the context of the murder of innocent image bearers of God, we have to take that principle that Jesus says this.

01:10:36

As much as you didn't feed me, give me something to drink, visit me in prison, you didn't do it unto me.

01:10:46

He condemns those on the last day that did not do those things. We have to ask the question, on the last day, what will

01:10:55

Jesus say to me? Remember the verse I read to us at the very beginning,

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Proverbs 24, right? Rescue those who are being led to the slaughter, stumbling to death.

01:11:10

There's an amazing thing that God says there. Did you catch it? And if you say, behold,

01:11:17

I didn't know. I didn't know. It says, does not he who weighs the heart know it?

01:11:27

Doesn't he know that you know and I know?

01:11:32

That excuse, Lord, I didn't know. I didn't know what to do. I didn't, I couldn't do anything.

01:11:38

It says, and will he not repay man according to his work? There's a danger in what

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I just said. The danger is, is you can take this as a man who is trying to make you feel guilty into doing something, or pressure you into doing something, and I give you my word before God, and on the last day, you'll know my heart's intentions on this.

01:12:09

My word before God, I am not trying to sell you anything, manipulate you at all, or pressure you, or guilt you.

01:12:16

I am simply telling you what the text says. These are God's words, not mine, and they're words that I had to face as a minister of the gospel, and I come to you as a brother in Christ, humbly saying,

01:12:31

I have repented of my sin, my apathy, and my indifference, and I'm encouraging you to do the same, and I assure you of this.

01:12:46

If you commit before God to lay your life down for these little ones, I believe with all my heart that God will bless it.

01:12:53

If you say, I don't know what to do, first you submit yourself to God. First you throw yourself at his feet.

01:13:00

First you ask for his power, and then you let him lead the ministry. You let him do it.

01:13:06

I pray, and I've been praying, I've been praying that God would raise up in these rooms that we're talking to over the week,

01:13:12

I pray that God would raise up men and women who would lead this fight in Australia with the gospel at the very front, and I pray that God does that in this room.

01:13:36

Councilman DiCiccio, if you're serious, prove it. Help us end it in this state and in this city.

01:13:45

Good afternoon, Phoenix Council members. My name is Zachary Conover, and I return once again today in order to bring to your attention the plight of the most oppressed people group in our state.

01:13:54

They're the ones being victimized in our communities. They're the ones who are having violations done to them apart from giving their consent.

01:14:02

They're the ones having their bodily autonomy disregarded as they continue to be subjected to daily acts of terror.

01:14:09

Denied their most basic human rights, they remain defenseless against the hands that would seek to label them as undocumented and remove them from the refuge of their parents.

01:14:19

The victimized group I speak of are the unborn children that are systematically murdered by abortion day by day in our cities, and who are the culprits responsible for ensuring the lack of equality for these victims of such hate crime?

01:14:33

Murderous entities like Planned Parenthood, of course. They're a malicious organization founded on the destruction of minorities, and in the case of our state, that successful business strategy continues as nearly half of these contract killings are performed on the

01:14:49

Hispanic and Latino community in our state. This is a strong indication that words like genocide are alive and well, unlike the babies being discriminated against on the basis of race and sex by this unjust entity.

01:15:03

It ought to forcefully strike anyone paying attention that an organization who claims to uphold women's rights while murdering hundreds of thousands of little women in the womb every year is guilty of hypocrisy in the worst way.

01:15:15

Planned Parenthood hates women, but not as much as they hate the children that they carry.

01:15:22

Women are a dollar sign to them, an exchangeable commodity, devalued and objectified the same as the prey of a rapist.

01:15:29

Over the past several years, I have watched weekly as women after women welcome others into Planned Parenthood, and it's advocates

01:15:36

I have interacted with myself, many of whom have murdered their own children by abortion, and they welcome others to do the same.

01:15:43

They're rebelling against their own biology and against the God who made them, and it's my contention that Planned Parenthood advocates are self -deceived and in desperate need of the forgiveness that only

01:15:54

Jesus Christ can offer for the malice that they've shown, not only to their own children, but the countless others that they lead to death every week.

01:16:02

Anyone, and I do mean anyone, Mayor Gallego, that partners with them also needs to repent of their ways, which is why

01:16:10

I come before you, the mayor and the council of this city, as a Christian by the authority of the

01:16:15

Lord, to tell you that you must make Phoenix a sanctuary city for these children. You can act, you can do something to zone businesses and hospitals so that abortion becomes illegal, surgically and chemically, whether it's

01:16:28

Planned Parenthood, hospital, pharmacy, or you can create a new zone that includes the entire city and bans it outright, but please protect these children and push entities like Planned Parenthood out of our city once and for all.

01:16:39

Thank you. Thank you. Hi, I'm Jeff Durbin with Apologia Church and End Abortion Now.

01:16:48

Just a few short years ago, God called us to start End Abortion Now. End Abortion Now at the very beginning was just Apologia Church trying to equip local churches across the

01:16:59

United States to start abortion mill ministries to save children's lives. We wanted to create a ministry that was a gospel -centered ministry based upon scripture, the word of God, that was coming out of local churches to once and for all end abortion.

01:17:15

We also wanted to actually begin a cultural movement to bring the light of the gospel into the conversation of abortion.

01:17:24

We knew we needed to do that through media. We wanted to actually inundate platforms globally with millions and millions of views with a focus on the gospel itself in conflict with abortion.

01:17:37

We also wanted to begin the process of raising up these local churches to bring the gospel to their local legislatures.

01:17:44

Since we began, since you started this ministry with us years ago, since you gave towards this ministry, since you participated with us in this ministry,

01:17:54

God has raised up almost 500 local churches globally. The amazing thing to us is that these local churches were not only starting this ministry to save lives, to use the gospel, and to work towards an immediate end of abortion in the

01:18:09

United States of America, but at this point, we have churches that are doing this in Australia, New Zealand, all over North America, that's the

01:18:17

United States and Canada, and even now in Ireland itself. Through your participation with End Abortion Now, God has saved literally thousands of children from death.

01:18:28

At this point, we have no ability to count how many babies are being saved. I wanna give you an update about 2019.

01:18:36

Many of you guys partnered with us, you prayed with us, you gave towards 2019 in our ministry and mission.

01:18:42

And what God has done has been absolutely incredible. Not only have we been able to save thousands of children from death, and not only have we raised up just so many local churches globally to bring the gospel to their local abortion mills and to demand an immediate end to abortion, we were able to once again spread the message of the gospel in conflict with abortion through media around the globe.

01:19:03

We did this through regular platforms like Facebook and YouTube, and we were of course able to actually produce the documentary

01:19:10

Babies Are Still Murdered Here with Marcus Pittman. Not only did Babies Are Still Murdered Here break all the records of the last film, but Babies Are Still Murdered Here is available on YouTube and Facebook and Amazon Prime.

01:19:23

This film is being seen globally, and what this film does is it actually communicates the gospel itself in conflict with abortion, and it demonstrates the failures of the pro -life movements to work consistently to once and for all criminalize, end, and abolish abortion.

01:19:41

Through your partnership with End Abortion Now in 2019, you were able to be a part of what God started through this movement, and that is local churches going to their local legislatures, demanding an immediate end to abortion, preaching the good news of Jesus Christ to their local legislatures, and demanding an immediate end to abortion in their cities, in their towns, in their states.

01:20:03

You were a part of that. You helped to make that happen. This happened across the United States of America, and it was everybody from pastors to little children demanding an immediate end to abortion in their cities.

01:20:14

You helped to start that movement to bring Christians to their legislatures to demand the criminalization, the end, the abolishment of abortion in the

01:20:23

United States of America. Through your partnership in 2019, you helped us to equip and to send out kits to local churches across the

01:20:32

United States of America to train those churches, and you were able to help us so that we were doing this completely for free for those churches.

01:20:39

It was no cost whatsoever to them. You also helped us through your partnership to actually begin a platform where all of these local churches can communicate with one another minute by minute to coordinate, to bring the good news into their cities, into their towns, into their states.

01:20:57

You also helped us to produce content that would equip these churches to begin their own media ministry so that we could begin the transformation of the culture with the light of the gospel across all social media platforms.

01:21:09

In 2019, all of this work began because you were a part of it with us at the beginning of the year.

01:21:14

And we wanna say thank you for everything you did with us in 2019. We're grateful to God for all that he's done, and truly, this thing is just beginning.

01:21:23

In 2020, we have a very big year ahead of us. Now that all the pieces are in place, now that we've actually raised up nearly 500 local churches to do this movement with us, now that we've been able to equip these churches completely for free, now that they're out saving thousands of lives, and now that Christians are beginning the process of speaking to their legislatures with a message of the gospel demanding an immediate end to abortion, and now that we are flooding the media with the content of the gospel in conflict with abortion, we're ready to have 2020 be the first year, we pray, that there would be sanctuary cities and an end of abortion in cities, states, and in this nation.

01:22:05

That's what we're working towards in 2020. All of the platforms have been laid down. All of the foundations are there.

01:22:12

2020 is the year where, God willing, we are hoping to raise up so many more churches to begin this work with us to save thousands more lives, but also to work together as a team with all of those churches to once and for all end, criminalize, and abolish abortion in our nation.

01:22:31

Because you joined together with us, because you served alongside of us, and because you partnered with us in ministry, you made all of this possible.

01:22:39

All of the thousands of children that are alive today because of Christians going out to preach the gospel in this issue, they're alive today because of your work together with us.

01:22:49

So we're humbled by it. We're grateful for it. And we want to ask you, whether you've participated with us before or not, to prayerfully consider giving towards this work for 2020, to end abortion, to criminalize it once and for all, and to do it as Christians.

01:23:07

Help us in 2020 to once and for all end this.

01:23:13

Help us to shut these places down and help us to do it with the message of the gospel.

01:23:45

What's up, guys? Welcome, welcome, welcome. Very important announcement. Quick announcement for everybody today. Thank you all for joining us.

01:23:51

We have been very, very excited to have this accomplished and very excited to be able to announce it to everybody.

01:23:57

And the day is finally here. So this is Luke the Bear. What up? I'm Jeff, the Culminator Ninja. That is

01:24:03

Zach right there. Hey. Hey, Zach is the Director of Communications for End Abortion Now, and we have very big news for everybody.

01:24:09

So stay with us. This is big, big stuff. We've been working on this now for months, and it is finally here.

01:24:15

We wanted to be able to have a place, a landing spot for people across the

01:24:21

United States of America and really everywhere to be able to communicate with each other together over the issue of engaging the issue of abortion with the gospel and once and for all ending it.

01:24:32

And so we wanted to create a platform to do that. It's finally all done. And so, Zach, could you tell everybody what that looks like?

01:24:38

This is a way for everybody who's watching right now to get connected to the ministry here and to be able to communicate with each other and to work together.

01:24:46

And it's just it's a quick way. If something happens, we can immediately talk to each other and get at it together.

01:24:51

Right. So help us with that. What does it look like? I think that's the most important thing when we're talking about how do we mobilize the church together?

01:24:58

So all the churches that are underneath the banner of End Abortion Now, up until now, we haven't really had an environment where all of these different people that are involved can come in, link up with one another, connect with each other, encourage each other, support each other, and we can get mobilized together to be going towards the same objective or the same goal together with each other.

01:25:17

Up until now, that just hasn't we just haven't had the ability to do that in this way this quickly. Right. So with the coalition, when you join, you go to the website, you join, you're brought into a platform with local church members and even people that that aren't a part of a local church, but are still brought into this environment.

01:25:37

Let's say it's someone who has experience working on legislation for abortion and they're working on a bill in a certain state and they need other people on board.

01:25:46

Or you want to ask questions about, OK, what is that? What would that look like in my state? How do we do that? How do we get behind something like that?

01:25:52

Can you give us tips about how to duplicate that process here? Those kinds of questions, those kinds of scenarios, it all this environment, what it's designed to do is give us a place where we can come together and really mobilize effectively and fight really.

01:26:06

And I guess maybe throw a heavier punch together because now we can talk to each other. Right. And now we have a way to get on board with each other quickly and move in the same direction.

01:26:15

That's right. So endabortionnow .com is where you guys can all go to get your church linked up with us and under the banner of End Abortion Now, where you can get free training, you can get free resources, you can get equipped from us on how to actually engage this issue, to go out to the abortion models, to save children and to go to your local legislature to demand immediate justice for the preborn.

01:26:36

Right now, we have about 400 local churches across the United States of America and around who are actually engaging this issue consistently, biblically and saving lives.

01:26:46

Thousands of children have been saved through this ministry. You can be a part of it, too, with your local church. But now this is the next stage.

01:26:53

One of the things that we're dropping, actually, by the way, in the next week or so, probably a couple of days, we're dropping a special video that I created for everybody who's a part of End Abortion Now to train you in how to start your own media ministry.

01:27:05

We knew that this ministry has to be much bigger than Apology of Church. We're grateful to God that he's given us such an amazing platform and ability to reach and to equip and to train so many churches.

01:27:15

We're grateful to God for that. But we knew that it had to actually include other churches as well. You guys need to start your own media ministries to spread the word like Apology of Church.

01:27:25

And so I created for everybody who is already a part of End Abortion Now dot com special video training.

01:27:30

More is coming after that on how you can start your own media ministry. I teach you how to do it. And that's free training for everybody who's part of Apologia's ministry,

01:27:40

End Abortion Now. So everything's given away to all these churches. And for those of you guys that gave towards the ministry of End Abortion Now the last couple of years,

01:27:47

I want to say grateful to God for you. And this is the fruit of your labor. So please know that it's the fruit of your labor.

01:27:53

What's happening right now, you are a part of and we mean that. So we promise these things to everybody.

01:27:58

And now they're all coming out piece by piece. And God's doing big things. But it's free training, free resources for all the churches, free media training now how to start your own media ministry.

01:28:08

And now we have the coalition ability where everybody can talk. Give an example.

01:28:13

OK, just a quick example of what it looks like for everybody. So you can kind of know what we're aiming at here. So let's say at the beginning of the year, we had something to happen in New York with Governor Cuomo, where he actually put something in and works together to get something working in New York where you can kill babies up to birth.

01:28:29

Now, what John Speed did, Pastor John Speed, he owns a bookstore in New York, and he just put a piece of paper on his door.

01:28:36

And he said he was closing down for the day in protest and not pay taxes to the state of New York because they're killing babies. And so what happened was that went crazy, went all over the country like wildfire.

01:28:46

He was all over all the news, all the major media platforms. Fox, I think, had him on and just a bunch of other things.

01:28:53

So it's a very big deal. But it was also a lot of churches going, OK, guys, where do we go from here?

01:28:59

So we were doing this. We were actually saying, OK, guys, follow us. It'll look like this. We're in communication with John.

01:29:05

We're trying to let people know as much as we could. We were going to the legislature. We were putting videos up. Here's what we say.

01:29:10

Here's how you preach the gospel to them. And we were trying to encourage people like really through our platforms like, guys, here's what's happening.

01:29:18

Here's what we're doing. And churches followed us into that and sort of going to the legislature. And they started preaching the gospel to legislatures literally across the

01:29:25

United States of America. And it's been amazing. I mean, like now people are talking about abortion as murder. They're talking about criminalizing abortion, banning abortion across the country.

01:29:34

Now you have the pro boards across the country up in arms actually now talking about the fact that now we're looking at bans of abortion.

01:29:42

Yeah, we weren't having that conversation seven years ago, eight years ago, like we are now.

01:29:49

So it's the fruit of your labor, brothers and sisters. It's all happening. It's all coming together. And the coalition app now is the ability to talk to each other.

01:29:58

So if something happens like with John Speed and like the next big push, we're able to get on there together and all talk to each other.

01:30:04

So if you want to be a part of this, you want to talk to Apologia Church. You want to talk to our people. You want to talk to everybody who's doing this ministry.

01:30:12

Get on the Appy app. Yeah. Get on it, man. Get on it. Because how do they do it? It's amazing. So what you need to do?

01:30:19

What's basically what's basically happened already is if you're a church partner with an abortion now, you should have got an email to invite you into it.

01:30:26

And we need everybody all hands on deck to agree to that and get inside and start interacting with each other.

01:30:32

I think one of the questions I get the most is, is there a church in my area who is working on this already?

01:30:38

Can you get me connected to that? The dashboard eliminates that because now you get in there and you're like,

01:30:43

OK, there's someone in Dallas, Fort Worth that's working on this already or they're going to the mill. I'm going to go with them because they're in my area.

01:30:48

So that those kinds of things are great. Can you sorry, can you look up areas on that?

01:30:55

You can look up. Yeah, by member and actually search by location and things to find people in your area.

01:31:01

So dashboard dot end abortion now dot com is where you go to request to be added.

01:31:09

You got to write a little description of why you want to be joined to the coalition will approve you.

01:31:14

You'll be able to get in there, start interacting. So everyone has access to the mainframe of the coalition and can communicate with one another church or not.

01:31:24

But there's a special place. Meaning whether you're a part of a church that's officially linked up with us or not.

01:31:31

Correct. Yeah. Yeah. If you're a Christian, you're not in a church. Right. Get in a church. Yeah. OK, good.

01:31:36

For sure. And then there's a private place where that's for church partners. You get added to that.

01:31:42

You know, you click on it. We'll get you in there. And then you have access to the training resources, all of those things.

01:31:49

You see that in the coalition. OK, so the front page, the main page is for everybody. And then we have the exclusive page for the church partners that you get into.

01:31:57

We can have conversations in there about, you know, things specifically related to the gospel and church activity and coordinating one another's little churches.

01:32:05

But when you get in, make a profile, say a little bit about yourself. Say hello to everyone. You know, it's really like Facebook.

01:32:12

You can reply to each other. You can comment. And it really is just speedy. One of the things that's really cool about the app is you can get notified with push notifications.

01:32:21

So, you know, if something is posted in there, you get the notification on your phone, you go, oh, what's going on in in Alabama right now?

01:32:27

Oh, great. Well, we need to jump on this. Let me write this person back. So that's the thing about this. What makes it so neat is it's instant.

01:32:33

It really removes a lot of the the wait time with social media. You know, a post goes up and then it takes maybe hours or a few days to mobilize people here.

01:32:42

I feel like we can do it much quicker because we have the ability to communicate in a way that's really fast. Yeah, that's awesome.

01:32:48

That is amazing. So what's up, baby lover? Yeah, right. Tell me or tell our audience what's up with that shirt.

01:32:57

Yeah. So baby lover, new T -shirts and different colors, red, white and black. The story behind the story behind the shirt is actually just something that caught on an apology at church because we were at the mill one day here in Tempe ministering and there was a couple that walked behind me as I was preaching and calling out and they referred to me in a derogatory sense.

01:33:19

Right. It was, you know, not a not a compliment. They yelled and shouted back at me.

01:33:24

You baby lover. Yeah. And I just remember at the time being so shocked by that. Like this is kind of what we've come to in our nation.

01:33:30

It's a pejorative, a pejorative. People are mocking you or insulting you for loving children.

01:33:36

And because you were trying to because you were trying to save babies from death and they were like, you baby lover. Right. So I just remember at that time,

01:33:42

I'll never forget that moment. I just look back at him and I said, well, what does that make you, sir? You know, and there was no response for that, because what's the opposite of a baby lover?

01:33:51

I mean, someone they hate children is what it comes down to. It's an issue of the heart. But anyways, that caught on at church and we just started affectionately calling each other baby lover, you know, as kind of a playful thing.

01:34:03

What's up baby lovers? Yeah. And because we do an apology at church, we love children. Yeah. You know, we love we love babies. You come to our church.

01:34:08

You see everyone's got kids running around everywhere. You trip over kids. Yeah. No matter where you go. I think my wife was estimating we have like 20 some odd babies being born on the way.

01:34:19

So by the time 2019, 2020 rolls around, we're going to have like 22 new babies, newborns.

01:34:27

Yeah. We take seriously what God says. And as people say, and you know, and the way churches work, if your church isn't crying, it's dying.

01:34:34

That's right. Yeah. So so we take that seriously. You know, the the Lord, you've heard that.

01:34:40

Yeah. OK. Yeah. It's been a long day. Yeah. So children are a blessing for them as a heritage.

01:34:46

The Lord requires a godly seed. Baby lover. Bam. There it is. So we're going to actually have those shirts up at the other shop soon.

01:34:56

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01:35:01

I didn't ask you if you're on the app. This is incentive to get the app. We will send you a special coupon code that you get only for that when the shirts come out.

01:35:13

So, yeah, that's fire. That's fire. Yeah. And these shirts are really nice, really comfy. Yeah.

01:35:18

Just as a bonus. Get the app. All right, guys. So if you guys are just getting on here, what we're talking about is end abortion.

01:35:24

Now, God doing big things, saving thousands of children. Now Christians going across the country now speaking to the local legislature that all started because of your work together with us with an abortion.

01:35:34

Now, it's amazing. It's humbling. It's powerful. God's doing amazing things. Conversation across the country now is talking about abortion in terms of murder and in terms of bans and criminalization.

01:35:45

That is a work of the Christian church across the United States of America. That's what God is doing with a faithful proclamation of the gospel.

01:35:52

We have new media training coming up for everybody who's a part of an abortion now dot com. You get free training, free resources.

01:35:57

Everything's given away to local churches to get involved in this work. But now I've actually just completed video series stuff for you guys to actually learn how to create your own media platforms to start communicating as churches in the same way that we are.

01:36:10

And so that's all that's all there for end abortion now dot com. It's all coming and becoming next couple of weeks. Even Carmen, our director and as the head of everything in the back, he is putting something together for all of you guys to learn how to use the camera equipment and the editing software, how to edit things, how to upload things, all that stuff.

01:36:28

We're going to train you guys and everything you need. But now we have this next phase. We need to be able to all talk to each other.

01:36:34

And so that's what this app is for. The coalition is for that. So you guys can get to know each other. You can talk to each other.

01:36:40

And Zach is exactly right. The big part of this is that when something big happens that we all need to be a part of together, we need to work together on.

01:36:48

Communication happens on that app and the coalition gets started. You all work together. That's what it's for. So praise God for everybody who's a part of end abortion now, right now.

01:36:57

This is a big deal. It really, truly is. If you're a part of endabortionnow .com and you know other churches that also are, please share this video with them.

01:37:07

Please get the word out to them. We're sending our emails. We're doing everything we can. But some people maybe aren't media savvy.

01:37:13

They don't spend a lot of time on these platforms. Maybe make sure they get the word to make sure they know they can get a part, be a part of the coalition.

01:37:20

They can start communicating and talking to each other. This is also an easy way for us to talk to you guys all at once.

01:37:26

And so if you are not part of the churches that are already linked up with endabortionnow .com, you are still invited to be part of the coalition and start talking.

01:37:34

But if you are in particular, a part of the churches that are already a part of end abortion now, what's that look like for them?

01:37:40

It's just it's the same location. It just in the coalition. There's another tab that you go to and it just says church partners.

01:37:47

OK, boom, you jump in there and you can talk to you. You can make posts in there. It's just like Facebook. I mean, what's on your mind or what's going on?

01:37:54

Post title. You can attack, attach pictures in there, links, video, maybe a footage at the mill or footage before city council.

01:38:03

We're always needing things like that. We do need to show people. So share that stuff, man. I mean, put it in there and we'll get it and put it up for the world to see, because that's the amazing thing about this, too, is

01:38:13

God's using this kind of activity from churches in the platform to bring other local churches into this.

01:38:19

Yeah, that's I think a key thing is that when this all started, churches started getting involved and actually doing what we were doing because they were hearing us tell our story.

01:38:28

So we were on Apologia Radio. We would just say, hey, God saved a baby this Saturday. And then next thing you know, churches are like, well, how do we do it?

01:38:34

And so that's how it all began. It really started because one church was a testimony to other churches, and then they started going.

01:38:40

And then same thing happens happened for the legislature. We went next, you know, other people went and then more people went and then more people went.

01:38:48

And then it was like little little kids going up and speaking to their magistrates. What kind of courage is that? Starting riots?

01:38:53

Yeah, little kids preaching the gospel and like, you know, riot breaking out. I mean, that's awesome.

01:38:59

That's first century acts kind of stuff, y 'all. And I like it. Yeah, we couldn't even get that.

01:39:04

Yeah, yeah. That kind of reaction. Yeah, that kind of reaction. That's powerful stuff. All right, guys.

01:39:10

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01:39:15

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01:39:27

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01:39:33

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01:39:47

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01:39:53

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01:40:04

So share this content. Make sure you guys get it out as soon as you can. All right. That's Luke DeBear. Peace out. I'm Jeff and that's

01:40:10

Zach. See ya. And we'll catch you guys next time. I was born in Las Vegas and some of my best, favorite, most emotional, intimate memories are from when

01:40:39

I was a little boy and I would go to visit family in Las Vegas.

01:40:45

And I remember distinctly, really distinctly, always flying into Las Vegas at nighttime.

01:40:54

And I remember looking out the window of the airplane always as a little boy. My favorite moment was when we were coming into Las Vegas and you could see just darkness, but this city lighting up everything.

01:41:09

And I remember as a little boy, just thinking how glorious it looked and how beautiful and amazing.

01:41:16

And I was in awe of this city that I was born in. And I remember the feeling of just seeing just pure darkness and this light just lighting up the darkness.

01:41:31

And to this day, whenever I'm traveling or doing ministry and we get to come through Vegas, one of my favorite things to do is to come into Las Vegas at nighttime and see the lights lighting everything up.

01:41:45

And it's amazing too, because if you look around this incredible spectacle in the desert, you see just the lights and the veneer, but underneath the surface of all of this is this intense, idolatry rebellion and opposition.

01:42:12

You see here is a city that is called what? Sin City.

01:42:18

What happens in Vegas stays in Vegas. That's the motto, right?

01:42:23

People come here from all over the world. I mean, you walk down the streets here just tonight, you can hear accents from all over the world,

01:42:30

Ireland, Scotland, England, Africa, everywhere. I mean, it's all represented on the street here and people come here from all over the world to party, to engage in the pursuit of pleasure.

01:42:45

It's underneath all of this, all of the lights in darkness here is just a veneer.

01:42:51

It's just on the surface. And underneath it is this intense rebellion and pursuit of pleasure.

01:42:57

There is the pursuit of drugs and alcohol and sex, sex without consequences, only it has a tremendous amount of consequences.

01:43:09

Underneath all of this sex without consequences, the idolatry of sexual immorality is the consequence of life, the beauty of life, the forming of a new life.

01:43:23

And in this town, in this city with no consequences and where what happens here stays here, you have the consequence of all of the sexual immorality and all the rest, and you have the consequence, which is really glorious consequence, and that's life, the beauty of life.

01:43:42

And in this town, you have Planned Parenthood and the abortion facilities that actually address the consequences of what happens here, stays here.

01:43:54

And you have children every single day in this city and in this state that are killed as a result of this kind of a lifestyle.

01:44:03

And it's really an amazing blessing to see that since God formed

01:44:08

End Abortion Now through Apologia Church, we have churches in Nevada and in Las Vegas who are bringing the gospel into this city in the darkness, into the context of the pursuit of pleasure, the gospel to the abortion mill, saving lives.

01:44:29

It's incredible, actually, when you think about that experience I had as a little boy, flying into the darkness and then seeing this city in the darkness, lighting up the darkness.

01:44:44

It's really actually how Jesus describes the church is that that's our mission.

01:44:50

Our mission is to be salt. Salt is a preservative. It actually stops things from spoil and decay.

01:44:57

It's not just to make things taste better. It's to stop things from spoil and decay and rot.

01:45:03

And Jesus says that we're the light of the world. We're the ones that actually set light into darkness and light dispels darkness.

01:45:11

And that really is the mission of the church in the world. People ask the question, should we be involved in bringing the gospel in the area of abortion?

01:45:19

I mean, isn't it enough just to be pro -life within the walls of the church and pro -life between our ears and in our homes?

01:45:25

Is that enough? And the answer is no, not according to Jesus in his most famous sermon.

01:45:31

He calls us to be salt that actually stops things from spoil and decay. And he calls us to be light that dispels the darkness.

01:45:38

We're supposed to be, as the church, the city in darkness. That when people actually look into the world at all the darkness in the world, it's the people of God that are lighting up the darkness.

01:45:50

We're supposed to be that incredible spectacle in the desert, this wasteland of lostness and sin in the world.

01:45:59

We're supposed to be that amazing spectacle of light that is just blazing out of the darkness and dispelling the darkness.

01:46:08

That's the mission of the church. And you can be a part of it. We actually have lights right now in the desert bringing the gospel into the area of abortion.

01:46:18

And you can actually sign up your church and bring the gospel into conflict with abortion. And you can save lives.

01:46:26

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01:46:33

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01:46:40

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01:46:56

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01:47:03

Just go to endabortionnow .com. My name is

01:47:18

Elaine Stanton. I'm thankful to stand here in front of you exercising my rights as a living human being created uniquely by God.

01:47:27

There are so many variances on when it is legal and illegal to take a baby's life. But according to God's law, it's simple.

01:47:35

You do not murder. I want to ask you two things. First, uphold Arizona 13 -3603.

01:47:41

And in so doing, you are saving lives and loving your neighbors. And second, declare Phoenix the first Arizona sanctuary city for the pre -born.

01:47:50

Now I'd like to share with you, the one and only God, the author, the creator of life says that the greatest commandment is to love the

01:47:57

Lord your God with all your heart and to love your neighbor as yourself. The pre -born being murdered every day are your neighbors, ladies and gentlemen of the council.

01:48:07

I'd like to convince the pro -choice mother who has the right to choose and abort her baby using the reason that it's not viable, that the baby inside her is indeed viable, wholly human, separate, with the same right as I have today to choose here before you, pleading with you to uphold the law that would allow this child to live and not be murdered.

01:48:27

Listen to this true story just published on the Huffington Post. Bethany Smith's unborn daughter had spina bifida.

01:48:34

She was advised to have an abortion. Instead, she pursued a procedure where her daughter was removed from her womb and corrective surgery was performed before replacing her back in the womb to grow to a full term.

01:48:45

It was a success and the baby lived. Let me ask you how crazy this sounds. When the baby was in rather than out, it was okay to kill her.

01:48:53

Then when the baby was out rather than in, it was not okay to kill her. But then when she was put back in and was no longer out, it was back to being okay to kill her.

01:49:04

It makes no difference to vaguely assume that human life is more human post -born than pre -born.

01:49:10

Is the baby a human life? Science says yes. The complete single cell fertilized ovum has a genetic code completely separate and unique from the mother.

01:49:19

It needs nothing but nutrition from the mother till birth. The U .S. Supreme Court used viability as a measure of humanness, that if the baby can live independently outside the mother's womb, it is human.

01:49:30

Would our founding fathers be okay with this? No. James Wilson and George Tucker, both signers of the

01:49:35

Declaration of Independence, made it clear in their teachings that it is a great misdemeanor to kill a child in the mother's room.

01:49:42

Remember that phrase, we hold these truths to be self -evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their creator with certain inalienable rights, and among these are life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness?

01:49:53

So I ask you, don't these truths apply to all human beings, whatever their stage of life?

01:49:59

Shouldn't equal protection be given to everyone? Or should we discriminate under the law? Abortion is discrimination against age, handicap, and place of residence.

01:50:09

Thank you. There is a very difficult fight ahead of us in the area of the pro -life issue, the abortion debate, the abortion fight.

01:50:44

When we got into this years ago, we had the perspective that the pro -life movement was essentially

01:50:51

Christian, because, of course, Christians are pro -life and wanna fight against a culture of death.

01:50:57

But we didn't realize that the pro -life industry itself is so opposed to a firm commitment on the gospel and the biblical world view.

01:51:07

The pro -life movement, the industry itself. Okay, I've heard this a lot, explain.

01:51:13

Okay, so the pro -life industry, globally, you got National Right to Life, which is an

01:51:19

American -born pro -life industry that's actually now, in other countries, affecting their pro -life movements.

01:51:26

I would argue, actually, Southern Ireland fell. They were pro -life, Northern and Southern.

01:51:32

I would argue that they fell as a result of very, very poor influence from the pro -life movement of America in Southern Ireland.

01:51:41

So while the abortion side in Southern Ireland is arguing firmly from their position, no neutrality, this is what we believe.

01:51:52

We were there in Ireland, their signs were all opposed to Christianity. They knew this is a fight against Christianity and a

01:51:59

Christian influence. But the pro -life organizations from America that were influencing in Southern Ireland were teaching them argumentation like, it's about love, and we wanna love, and it was things.

01:52:16

Who were they loving? Who were they? Exactly, and it was a very bland, general, no, it's not about Jesus. No, we're not saying it's about Jesus.

01:52:22

We're not saying it's about the Bible. No, no, no, no, no, no. This is strictly just like, we wanna protect humans. And the right question is, why in the world would we do something like that?

01:52:31

Who says we should protect humans? So - Given the predominant worldview of our day, that we're really not humans, we're animals.

01:52:41

Animals. We are highly evolved. Descended from fish. Right. Yeah, so they didn't see that.

01:52:47

Southern Ireland fell, and now abortion is legal in Southern Ireland, and very, very soon, Northern Ireland.

01:52:54

I think it's because the pro -life industry's influence over there is really robbing people of their solid foundation to be able to fight against -

01:53:03

Okay, well, let me ask you then. Are the people that they're trying to influence, the general population, where are they?

01:53:13

They're not specifically, they're kind of neutral as well. They don't wanna talk about Jesus and the

01:53:19

Bible and so forth. And so how do we switch this so people begin to understand that if you don't start here, you're not gonna get to where you really wanna go?

01:53:32

And it's not just about abortion. It's gonna be, oh, as we're beginning to say, it's about everything. It's everything. It's everything.

01:53:37

I think though, well, I think it has to be about the gospel. I think it has to firmly always be about the gospel.

01:53:43

Like if we change, here's what I'm saying, Gary. If we change the mind of the culture to say, okay, let's end all abortion now, right?

01:53:49

Let's end it all now. Why? Well, because we really think it's gross killing other humans, right? That's not gonna satisfy or actually provide a firm foundation to actually criminalize abortion and to keep it abolished and banned permanently.

01:54:04

Because at some point, some culture comes down the road that says, who says we should care about killing human beings?

01:54:10

Like what basis, what firm basis is that against the murder of the unborn?

01:54:15

Well, in fact, we've already seen this in Virginia and New York. And it's not just while the baby is in the womb, but when the baby is born, that now it's okay to kill them at that point.

01:54:30

I mean, we've got presidential candidates saying that. Yeah, that's right.

01:54:35

And people, you know, the book that was written years ago by Richard Weaver called Ideas Have Consequences.

01:54:41

Bad ideas have bad consequences. Your starting point is, we know if you don't start at the right place, it's just like anything else in life.

01:54:51

When you're looking for directions, you wanna get somewhere, your starting point is extremely important.

01:54:57

If you don't start at the right place, your GPS is not gonna work. That's right. And unfortunately, the church has failed at this because on Sunday, you go to church on Sunday, this is your

01:55:14

Christian life. And it bleeds over into your family and maybe your business, but the broader culture, there really isn't any directive for the broader culture.

01:55:24

I mean, I'm in the Presbyterian Church in America, which is a very conservative denomination, but they've got this concept of, you know, there's two kingdoms.

01:55:34

You got a kingdom over here and a kingdom here. This is the Christian kingdom. You wanna be part of that Christian kingdom.

01:55:40

That Christian kingdom doesn't have any impact on this over here. That's right. It's a spiritual kingdom. Right.

01:55:45

And we can't argue our case. We can't argue our case using the assumptions of this worldview in this world.

01:55:54

And that was never the case. I mean, even as far as back as go back to Israel, the distinction was very clear.

01:56:05

Don't do what the nations do. Those nations are gonna be judged, not on some neutral moral base that the nations had conceptualized, but based upon the fact that God was the directive of moral absolutes in the whole world.

01:56:22

And Christians, unfortunately, have given up their biggest asset. There's a firm foundation for ethics and morality.

01:56:30

And once you lose that battle for the unborn, you lose it for all kinds of things.

01:56:36

And I think that's what happened during the 20th century with the rise of communism. And of course, within the

01:56:41

Soviet Union and in China, the Black Book of Communism says 100 million people died.

01:56:48

And why is that? The evolutionary worldview was prevalent within the atheistic worldview.

01:56:54

There's nothing wrong in killing people. There's nothing wrong in killing unborn babies. They say, well, that's not where we're gonna stop.

01:57:03

There's nothing wrong with killing anybody. Right. It's kind of a utilitarian ethic. Whatever's best for the society, and they get to determine what's best.

01:57:11

And they'll determine what's best. Yeah, exactly. The state will. Yeah, exactly. And if you don't have that base, they're coming, and they already are coming after us.

01:57:20

I mean, they are. They're doing it in the courts. They're doing it in the schools. They're doing it politically. They're doing it with zoning regulations, zoning out churches in certain areas.

01:57:31

You can't teach in a major university. If you espouse a Christian worldview. And it all begins at the very beginning of establishing a fundamental standard that cannot be disputed.

01:57:45

And we're seeing it with many in the pro -life community.

01:57:53

So tell me what some of the other motivations are, though.

01:57:59

Are there other motivations, other than the fact that they want to appear neutral and loving? Is there anything else going on?

01:58:05

They will say that if we make this about Jesus and Scripture and the biblical worldview, we aren't gonna convince our culture to ultimately do away with abortion.

01:58:14

But the problem is, because we don't even define this issue from a biblical perspective, you have the major talking heads of the pro -life movement,

01:58:23

Abbie Johnson, you name it, go down the road, the major talking heads of the pro -life movement saying that no, the woman who kills her child is not guilty.

01:58:31

She's a victim. She's a victim. And she's not guilty. And we don't want to use the word murder.

01:58:36

Do not use the word murder. You've got the heads of these major international pro -life organizations that are on record.

01:58:44

We have them in interviews with them saying she's a victim and we don't use the word murder.

01:58:49

And so the question has to be, it begs the question, well then, who is guilty for abortion? And what's wrong with it?

01:58:55

And what's actually happening during an abortion? That's right. Yeah. Yeah, what is it? Yeah, when people say with their pro -choice, my first question is choice to do what?

01:59:05

Right. And well, choice to have an abortion. Well, what's being aborted?

01:59:11

What is it? That's the question. What's being aborted? That's right. There's this great little video meme online.

01:59:20

I don't know who the woman is. I think she's pregnant. She's got a kind of pink hair and she's got this tube.

01:59:26

Oh yeah, yeah, that's Laura. Yeah. She's a friend of ours, Laura Clausen. Oh yeah. Yeah, yeah. She's great, isn't she?

01:59:32

She really is. It makes the argument. Not a baby, not a baby, all of a sudden a baby.

01:59:38

But now it's not a baby, not a baby, not a baby, not a baby if you decide it's not a baby.

01:59:46

And with time, maybe we ought to give it a month, maybe two months, maybe three months, maybe a year or two, you can still make your decision to get rid of whatever it was that came out of your body, which is your body.

02:00:03

So it's like you gave birth to an appendix. Exactly, exactly. So the pro -life movement will argue forcefully.

02:00:13

They actually will get offended in many cases where if you say you're doing this because of Jesus, because you're a

02:00:20

Christian, right? And no, no, no, who's saying that? Who says that? No, no, we're not saying that. And so what's amazing is that we say it's not murder in the pro -life movement.

02:00:30

She's a victim. And so the question has to be asked to the pro -life movement at large, if this isn't a murder and she's a victim, then what are you trying to legislate against?

02:00:40

And they'll ultimately say, we're not trying to criminalize the issue for women down the road if they end up doing it.

02:00:47

We're just saying that it's icky and shouldn't be done and maybe the abortion should stop.

02:00:52

We should punish the guy who's doing it. It's like, but there's more than one person who's culpable here, who's bringing themselves and the baby in to actually accomplish this.

02:01:01

And I'll say this, Gary, look, I wasn't, I'm not the head of this thing. And I came into this late in the game.

02:01:08

We've got 450 local churches around the country now going out saving lives and speaking to the legislature. But I'll tell you what, when

02:01:15

I first started going to the abortion mills to preach the gospel, the women that I saw going into the abortion mill were not victims.

02:01:22

They were not, are not victims. They're calling back to us. I know I'm killing my baby. I can kill my baby if I want to.

02:01:28

I've seen that for years. Going back to the 1980s, well, they will acknowledge that it's a human being, but it's still my choice.

02:01:39

I can kill my baby if I want to. You're right, yeah. Oh, I agree. They know exactly what they're doing. Yes, sir.

02:01:45

And in fact, you see enough of this online where people are kind of glorying in the idea that they're killing a child.

02:01:55

I mean, they come right out and say it. Oh, I know. Proud of it. You'll never know how good it feels. Men are against abortion.

02:02:01

We shared a tweet the other day from a girl. Men will never, men never understand that they're against abortion because they'll never understand how good it feels to kill a baby.

02:02:08

I mean, that, yeah, I mean. That's the heart behind it. And there's no question about that.

02:02:14

So, okay, so I guess that the bigger question that kind of wraps up all in this discussion is it has to be about the gospel.

02:02:20

Jesus says, whoever's not with me is against me. So there's no neutrality with Jesus. Are we supposed to go as a witness to every area of life with the message of Jesus, his authority, and the law of God, even to the magistrate?

02:02:36

Should we be involved in that? Should we be actually brave enough to say to the magistrate, you need to obey

02:02:41

Jesus. That's your calling, to be his servant. Well, from a biblical perspective, most certainly.

02:02:47

I mean, if Paul in Romans 13 calls the civil magistrate a minister of God, I mean, right, he's a minister of God.

02:02:57

And the word that's used there is, it's the same word we get for a deacon.

02:03:04

So he's God's minister. And he is, and the, as God's minister, he's determined good and evil.

02:03:12

That's not neutral language. And you have, we have someone like Cyrus in the

02:03:19

Old Testament who acknowledged that, not maybe in everything, yet Nebuchadnezzar, the same thing.

02:03:28

In Daniel chapter four, he acknowledged that God was the supreme judge of everything, that turns his whole life around.

02:03:35

We have to go with that message. We've always, that has always been the message, is taking the gospel to every area of life.

02:03:42

There's no area of life where God's law doesn't apply. And we talked earlier about jurisdictional separation.

02:03:49

There are certain things that the civil magistrate is commanded to do. And there are certain things that the civil magistrate has no jurisdictional authority over.

02:03:58

And one of the things that the civil magistrate is to do is to protect human life. I mean, and this is a perfect example of it.

02:04:06

And it's just, it's shocking to me that Christians don't get this.

02:04:12

But my guess is a lot of Christians are complicit in the abortion industry because I think a lot of pastors,

02:04:20

I've heard some pastors say that one of the reasons they don't, they can't preach on this because maybe one of their deacons or their elders, one of their children has had an abortion or they might lose some funding.

02:04:34

Can't talk about that or homosexuality in the church because there's some family member who may be a homosexual or some family member who's had an abortion.

02:04:42

And so they'll get offended by that. You're judging. And this is another thing, you're judging me.

02:04:48

And of course, Jesus said, we're not supposed to judge. And you hear this, I love it. I love it.

02:04:53

Liberals love to quote the Bible. It's their favorite verse. Yeah. They love to quote the Bible out of context.

02:04:58

Yeah. Because Jesus says you're not supposed to judge because only in your judging are you supposed to be consistent in your judging.

02:05:06

Just make sure you're consistent. You can't have two weights in your bag in measurement.

02:05:11

You can't have one for you and one for them. On equal scales. Right. And today in our political system, there are unequal scales in the justice system.

02:05:22

But Christians have got to understand that the civil magistrate is not exempt from God's law as long as we go out there and start telling them, look, these are the areas that the civil magistrate does in fact have jurisdictional authority.

02:05:38

We don't want the civil magistrate coming in and telling you how to live your life, where you can live and what you can buy.

02:05:45

That's not the state's authority. But in the area of protection of human life, that is the area.

02:05:52

That's why the civil magistrate has the power of the sword. That's right. The forced compliance to laws, the protection of innocent life.

02:05:59

That's right. Even the Romans understood that. Yes. So it is shocking.

02:06:06

And I've always said the problem isn't with the secularists because they are acting consistent with their worldview.

02:06:12

The problem is with Christians who have a dualistic worldview. They've got, you know, there can be

02:06:18

Christian over here and you can be secular over here because God's word doesn't apply. There's a wall of separation between these two worlds and we can't enter into that world.

02:06:27

We would not have the nation we have today if Christians hadn't affected bringing

02:06:35

God's law into every area of life. The 19th century polygamy was overruled because of the

02:06:40

Bible. That's right. Yeah. Explicitly because of their worldview. Right, yeah.

02:06:46

So what's the next step with what you're doing?

02:06:51

You have a film, right? So, Babies Are Murdered Here Too is stage one was exposing the need for the church to rescue children at the mills and to really bring the gospel into this issue, explicitly the gospel, the call to repentance, life, forgiveness, and then also will help you to the moms.

02:07:12

This next stage, which we've already begun now, is bringing the church now to the legislature to be a prophetic voice to the legislature to say we're demanding justice for the unborn, uphold justice, make this a sanctuary city, defy the federal government, whatever you have to do, stop the murder of innocent children.

02:07:30

Now, you've done that, right? Already. And what was the response? It's been amazing. We started it last

02:07:36

November, and then it started a movement of local churches across the country going to the legislature, calling them to repentance and to uphold justice, pointing them to Jesus and pleading with them to save the unborn in their city or their state.

02:07:49

And it's been churches across the country that are all actively doing it now. It started some controversy, but the

02:07:55

Babies Are Murdered Here Too film is all about two things.

02:08:01

One is the failure of the pro -life movement to be fundamentally Christian. And two, the need for now, the next stage, is not just saving children at the abortion mill, but going to the legislature and demanding justice and pointing them to Christ.

02:08:15

Because we realize, look, we can keep saving these thousands, and there have been now thousands of children saved because of an abortion now, because of what

02:08:21

God's doing there. But we can't have now the legislature continuing to allow the murder of children, and we're just trying to catch them at the mill to save lives.

02:08:32

We need to stop them where it's being legislated. Right, it's a defense -only type deal until you get the positive statement from the legislature.

02:08:41

So what's been the response from the legislators? Legislators, even legislators who are pro -life and professing

02:08:49

Christians have said this, and this is very, very heartbreaking. They've said, we can't make this a sanctuary city, we can't defy the federal government because Roe v.

02:08:58

Wade, and we'd have to go against the feds. We can't defy them. But these are the same legislatures that have actually defied the federal government for marijuana.

02:09:08

And also sanctuary cities. Yes, exactly. So it's a matter of courage, ultimately, is that we don't have people so far, thus far, that are courageous enough to defy the federal government for innocent, unborn humans.

02:09:21

We do have legislatures who have been willing to be defiant in the area of marijuana legislation, which is frustrating.

02:09:29

So, and also we don't understand the way our law works. That's a sad thing, too, is that the Roe v. Wade is not a law.

02:09:36

It's a court opinion. Congress makes laws. Right, right.

02:09:42

And so we think that it's a law when it's not. Look, the reason there's been so much action

02:09:50

Thank you. by the Democrats and the

02:09:55

Republicans on the Supreme Court because they want to be absolved of any responsibility of making these types of decisions.

02:10:03

You know, we get a Supreme Court, well, I can't do anything because the Supreme Court ruled on this.

02:10:10

And you say, well, wait a minute. You're the legislative body. They're not a legislative body. Why aren't you overruling the

02:10:16

Supreme Court? All the Supreme Court was supposed to do was to assess whether a law conformed to the

02:10:23

Constitution. Right. And they're not elected to office.

02:10:30

You could overrule them. You've got five justices who overruled 320 million people.

02:10:35

I mean, you mean to tell me that 535 of you can't overrule five people? Right. But they want the

02:10:43

Supreme Court to legislate for them because it means that they won't have to legislate themselves and be held responsible on election day.

02:10:51

Yep. But you know, the Constitution is clear in the

02:10:56

Ninth and Tenth Amendments. If it's not specifically stated in the Constitution, the states have the authority to make a decision regarding it.

02:11:03

That's right. You can act. That's right, they can. It just takes courage. And I think part of that courage is going to start, it's going to start building and people will be able to muster the courage in the legislature when

02:11:15

Christians actually start coming out saying, we demand it, justice for the pre -war.

02:11:20

See, here's the amazing thing is that the leftists and liberals all recognize, they realize that if I make a lot of noise in the street and I start speaking to the legislature, demanding something, they act because they hear me and they get intimidated by us.

02:11:35

Where Christians aren't trying to intimidate anybody, we're just asking for justice. And if we can come out of the woodwork saying, no, we demand justice, that's an image bearer of God and we're telling you, stop allowing them to be murdered.

02:11:46

Well, the Civil Rights Movement, it was marches and bus boycotts and things of that sort that turned people around.

02:11:55

Christians are just very uncomfortable doing things like that. They're just not willing to do it. They say, well,

02:12:01

Jesus never did that. And I said, well, Jesus didn't do a lot of things we do. He didn't get married, he didn't have children, he didn't own a house.

02:12:09

If you really wanna be like Jesus, you need to go all the way here. Go all the way, that's awesome.

02:12:15

And they're not gonna do that. So they're very particular in what they wanna choose and what they don't wanna choose.

02:12:20

But Jesus does command us, God does command us. He does command us explicitly to hold back those who are stumbling to the slaughter, to actually lead the cause of the fatherless, to cease to do evil, learn to do good, to uphold justice.

02:12:38

Those are explicit commands of God. So when someone says to me, well, I don't know if I should be involved,

02:12:44

I don't know, I don't know if I should go here or there. It's like, well, God does command you. He does, there is a command.

02:12:49

We all have the same task in this. Not everyone's called to go stand on the corner of an abortion mill, but all of us are called to care about this and to uphold justice and to actually protect the fatherless.

02:13:02

And these are fatherless children. They're abandoned by their fathers, they're abandoned by their mothers.

02:13:09

And I think that as Christians, we actually do have a duty to say, we're gonna protect and love our neighbor. And that's what this particular case, this isn't the only issue.

02:13:17

There's sex trafficking, there's all kinds of issues. But it comes down to fundamentally, by what standard?

02:13:24

By what standard are we gonna fight against these things? By what standard will we live as a culture and society? We live in a society today that says the standard we'll live by is

02:13:32

DEMAS, people will decide what's right in our own eyes. And that never works.

02:13:37

It's gone really bad the last 150 years. And there's plenty of testimony to that. When people live by DEMAS, the people deciding or the state deciding, ultimately it comes down to who has the authority and final say.

02:13:49

And Jesus already declared it. He says, all of it's mine in heaven. And every Christian says yes to that.

02:13:55

But then he also said, and on earth. So Jesus didn't have, I think right there is the destruction of the two kingdom ideology.

02:14:02

I will be done on earth as it is in heaven. As it is in heaven. Yeah, every area, all authority,

02:14:08

Jesus has it all. Pulpits are, this is how I got into all this way, way back when in the 80s.

02:14:14

And I wrote that God and government series to emphasize that government isn't synonymous with politics.

02:14:22

That government begins with understanding that God is the governor of all things. You got

02:14:27

Isaiah chapter nine that tells us that the government is on his shoulders, but then he delegates self -government.

02:14:34

You and I are responsible to God directly, but the family government, church government and civil government, all of them under God's jurisdiction.

02:14:40

And when you understand how all of that fits together, and that's why I wrote God and government was to show the relationship between the individual, the family, the church and civil government, when they're all doing their righteous thing under God's government, we're most free.

02:14:58

That's right. And so what the film will do, what are you hoping the film is going to do?

02:15:05

So we hope that the film, the first film helped to bring the movements to where it's at today to get churches out preaching the gospel, making it about the gospel, helping women, saving children at the abortion bill, saying, calling it what it is, murder.

02:15:22

The name of the film, Babies Are Murdered Here. That's a very particular reason for that. The issue is murder.

02:15:28

Defining it the way God does. The second film, the hope is to bring those churches now. Again, we have 450 local churches and more being added daily across the country and actually globally now,

02:15:40

Australia, New Zealand, Northern and Southern Ireland, Germany, Canada.

02:15:46

Really? Yes. It's harder in some of these countries. They can't necessarily do what we're doing, going out and standing there at the abortion bill, but they're trying.

02:15:55

So the second film is really about the need for the church to actually now abandon the pro -life movement's methodology of neutrality, of not calling it what it is, and going to the legislature and being explicit with our

02:16:09

Christian commitments. God says, you shall not murder. And this is about Jesus.

02:16:15

It is about the law, word of God. It is, we're not afraid of that. Yes. I'm saying that abortion should be criminalized because God says that it's murder and it's against God's law and our country needs

02:16:26

Jesus. Here's the thing. I think if we shift around the moral furniture of our nation without the gospel and Jesus, then we haven't ultimately, we haven't discipled our nation.

02:16:37

Right, that's true, that's true, yes. So if the goal is discipling the nations, then what are we doing shifting moral furniture around if the ultimate goal is the discipleship of the nation?

02:16:48

And somebody could say, yeah, but Jeff, that will take so dang long. You're taking the hard road. Don't we want that?

02:16:54

My answer is you're taking the hard road because what you're saying is you wanna extend this whole goal of actually discipling the nations.

02:17:03

You wanted to extend it out way off into the unforeseen future of maybe there's a glimmer of light down there where Jesus will actually have a say -so on our nation.

02:17:11

I'm saying, let's do the hard work now that our Christian forebearers did where they walk into a pagan nation, preach the gospel under threat of their lives, and convert an entire nation in a generation because they were explicit with who's the king, who has authority, and what's this really about?

02:17:28

It's about Jesus. I'm gonna say that our nation is a pagan nation now. Ultimately, it's going that direction.

02:17:35

And I think that the answer is Jesus. That's the answer. Sounds good.

02:17:40

Yep, that's what we're doing. All right, guys. Hi, I'm Jeff Durbin with Apologia Church and End Abortion Now.

02:17:54

Just a few short years ago, God called us to start End Abortion Now. End Abortion Now at the very beginning was just Apologia Church trying to equip local churches across the

02:18:05

United States to start abortion mill ministries to save children's lives. We wanted to create a ministry that was a gospel -centered ministry based upon scripture, the word of God, that was coming out of local churches to once and for all end abortion.

02:18:21

We also wanted to actually begin a cultural movement to bring the light of the gospel into the conversation of abortion.

02:18:30

We knew we needed to do that through media. We wanted to actually inundate platforms globally with millions and millions of views with a focus on the gospel itself in conflict with abortion.

02:18:43

We also wanted to begin the process of raising up these local churches to bring the gospel to their local legislatures.

02:18:50

Since we began, since you started this ministry with us years ago, since you gave towards this ministry, since you participated with us in this ministry,

02:18:59

God has raised up almost 500 local churches globally. The amazing thing to us is that these local churches were not only starting this ministry to save lives, to use the gospel, and to work towards an immediate end of abortion in the

02:19:14

United States of America, but at this point, we have churches that are doing this in Australia, New Zealand, all over North America, that's the

02:19:23

United States and Canada, and even now in Ireland itself. Through your participation with End Abortion Now, God has saved literally thousands of children from death.

02:19:34

At this point, we have no ability to count how many babies are being saved. I wanna give you an update about 2019.

02:19:41

Many of you guys partnered with us, you prayed with us, you gave towards 2019 in our ministry and mission, and what

02:19:48

God has done has been absolutely incredible. Not only have we been able to save thousands of children from death, and not only have we raised up just so many local churches globally to bring the gospel to their local abortion mills and to demand an immediate end to abortion, we were able to once again spread the message of the gospel in conflict with abortion through media around the globe.

02:20:09

We did this through regular platforms like Facebook and YouTube, and we were, of course, able to actually produce the documentary

02:20:15

Babies Are Still Murdered Here with Marcus Pittman. Not only did Babies Are Still Murdered Here break all the records of the last film, but Babies Are Still Murdered Here is available on YouTube and Facebook and Amazon Prime.

02:20:29

This film is being seen globally, and what this film does is it actually communicates the gospel itself in conflict with abortion, and it demonstrates the failures of the pro -life movements to work consistently to once and for all criminalize, end, and abolish abortion.

02:20:46

Through your partnership with End Abortion Now in 2019, you were able to be a part of what God started through this movement, and that is local churches going to their local legislatures, demanding an immediate end to abortion, preaching the good news of Jesus Christ to their local legislatures, and demanding an immediate end to abortion in their cities, in their towns, in their states.

02:21:09

You were a part of that. You helped to make that happen. This happened across the United States of America, and it was everybody from pastors to little children demanding an immediate end to abortion in their cities.

02:21:20

You helped to start that movement to bring Christians to their legislatures to demand the criminalization, the end, the abolishment of abortion in the

02:21:29

United States of America. Through your partnership in 2019, you helped us to equip and to send out kits to local churches across the

02:21:38

United States of America to train those churches, and you were able to help us so that we were doing this completely for free for those churches.

02:21:45

It was no cost whatsoever to them. You also helped us through your partnership to actually begin a platform where all of these local churches can communicate with one another minute by minute to coordinate, to bring the good news into their cities, into their towns, into their states.

02:22:02

You also helped us to produce content that would equip these churches to begin their own media ministry so that we could begin the transformation of the culture with the light of the gospel across all social media platforms.

02:22:14

In 2019, all of this work began because you were a part of it with us at the beginning of the year, and we wanna say thank you for everything you did with us in 2019.

02:22:24

We're grateful to God for all that he's done, and truly, this thing is just beginning. In 2020, we have a very big year ahead of us.

02:22:33

Now that all the pieces are in place, now that we've actually raised up nearly 500 local churches to do this movement with us, now that we've been able to equip these churches completely for free, now that they're out saving thousands of lives, and now that Christians are beginning the process of speaking to their legislatures with a message of the gospel demanding an immediate end to abortion, and now that we are flooding the media with the content of the gospel in conflict with abortion, we're ready to have 2020 be the first year.

02:23:04

We pray that there would be sanctuary cities and an end of abortion in cities, states, and in this nation.

02:23:11

That's what we're working towards in 2020. All of the platforms have been laid down. All of the foundations are there.

02:23:18

2020 is the year where, God willing, we are hoping to raise up so many more churches to begin this work with us to save thousands more lives, but also to work together as a team of all of those churches to once and for all end, criminalize, and abolish abortion in our nation.

02:23:37

Because you joined together with us, because you served alongside of us, and because you partnered with us in ministry, you made all of this possible.

02:23:45

All of the thousands of children that are alive today because of Christians going out to preach the gospel in this issue, they're alive today because of your work together with us.

02:23:55

So we're humbled by it, we're grateful for it, and we wanna ask you, whether you've participated with us before or not, to prayerfully consider giving towards this work for 2020, to end abortion, to criminalize it once and for all, and to do it as Christians.

02:24:12

Help us in 2020 to once and for all end this.

02:24:18

Help us to shut these places down, and help us to do it with the message of the gospel.

02:24:45

Hey guys, Jeff Durbin with End Abortion Now, here with Senator Joseph Silk in Oklahoma.

02:24:52

Very excited to be here with you. Nice to be here. Yeah, so you may not like me saying this, but I'm gonna say something right now.

02:24:58

This is the hero senator that all of us have been waiting for and looking for. He actually put in something, it was, what was it, two years ago?

02:25:06

Two years ago. You did SB - 1118. 1118,

02:25:12

SB -1118. We put some stuff out in the past to try to notify people about that, but it was essentially shut down dead.

02:25:19

It was. And now you have SB -13. What's the difference? As far as the end game of both pieces of legislation, they're essentially the same.

02:25:29

Both SB -1118 and SB -13 would end the practice of abortion in Oklahoma. The movement and momentum behind the support for SB -13 is much larger than SB -1118 was, and SB -13 has definitely gotten a lot more attention in the legislative area of the state.

02:25:50

So you are fighting this from a perspective that sounds very different than is typical in the pro -life movement, pro -life rhetoric, just this whole fight all together.

02:25:59

We were at the rally earlier today in the Senate, in the Capitol building, and we heard things like murder.

02:26:06

We heard things like criminalize. We heard things like abolish. Very, very different than we're used to with the pro -life movement generally.

02:26:13

So can you explain to everybody who's watching, what's the difference in terms of a pro -life track to sort of mess around the edges of abortion and what you're doing right now?

02:26:25

Right, so essentially, pro -life legislation, which all of the pro -life groups and even the large church institutions and those bills that those people have offered up and supported essentially have kept abortion legal.

02:26:39

So a good example of a pro -life bill, which you would, some people would automatically think, oh, that's a good idea.

02:26:46

So in Oklahoma, we have the 72 -hour waiting period. So if you find out you're pregnant and you wanna go have an abortion, you have to wait 72 hours.

02:26:53

Now, once you wait 72 hours, you go ahead and kill that baby and it's fine. The Down syndrome bill.

02:26:58

So you can't kill your baby just because you find out it has Down syndrome. Now, if it doesn't have

02:27:04

Down syndrome, you go ahead and kill your baby. The ultrasound bill. If you find out you're pregnant and you wanna have an abortion, you have to go view an ultrasound.

02:27:12

Once you see the picture of the baby and you still wanna kill it, go ahead. So if that makes sense, those pro -life legislation, that pro -life legislation that we have on the books is essentially allowing abortion to legal.

02:27:26

It really wasn't Roe v. Wade. It's pro -life legislation that's doing it. What Senate Bill 13 does is it defines life beginning at the moment of fertilization and it offers equal protection for that life through all stages.

02:27:39

And so essentially, a good way to look at it would be if a mother were to kill or a dad or a doctor, anybody were to kill a one -year -old child, they'd be held accountable for it because the government needs to uphold justice.

02:27:55

We're offering the same protections as a one -year -old child does down to a three -week -old child in the womb.

02:28:00

So consistency. Yeah, it's absolutely consistent. Basically, it says all life is created equal and all life deserves protection and that's what the state of Oklahoma's gonna do.

02:28:10

So that's very different in terms of how pro -life legislators and pro -life activists have gone about fighting this for the last four decades.

02:28:18

They've actually helped in many ways and you just mentioned it in terms of keeping abortion legal at the state.

02:28:24

That's not Roe v. Wade. It's actually the pro -life legislation that actually promotes and helps and activates the whole problem.

02:28:32

You're actually speaking in terms of consistency. Consistency, of course, for the Christian worldview, consistency under the law itself and consistency of biological science.

02:28:41

From the moment of conception, all the biological components of a human being are there from conception. All human life we protect.

02:28:48

Now, that's supposed to be normative but it's not for the unborn and I think it's an interesting point to be made in terms of as people are thinking about now this shift of, the paradigm shift, the mindset shift in terms of consistency.

02:29:03

In New York recently, they're celebrating and applauding because we can kill it to birth and people are shocked by that and of course, we should be shocked by it.

02:29:10

Of course, it's horrible and dismembering a little baby is an awful, evil thing and it's extra bloody but they were fighting for consistency the whole time.

02:29:19

That's one of the things the pro -life movement, I think, has lost in this is that while we've been, in the pro -life movement, playing around the edges and trying to make this soft and don't be too aggressive, this could die sort of a thing, the pro -choicers and people who are pro -abortion have been fighting for consistency.

02:29:35

They say, I ought to be able to kill an unborn child. So what's the difference between 20 weeks or 40 weeks?

02:29:41

So what you're doing here is a consistent bill, consistent with the law itself, consistent with biological science.

02:29:48

That's a human being from conception. It cannot be refuted and it ought to be protected. Right, no, that's exactly right.

02:29:55

I mean, it's essentially taking the Constitution. Our Constitution protects life and it's saying all life, no matter what stage you are in, deserves the right to be protected by the government and that's what

02:30:07

Senate Bill 13 does. Right, so this is a bill that would actually flat out end abortion in the state of Oklahoma.

02:30:14

That's exactly what it would do. If Senate Bill 13 were to pass the legislature and be signed into law immediately upon signage, all abortions would have to cease in the state of Oklahoma.

02:30:22

Now, I need everyone to stop for a minute and to think of what was just said. This isn't legislation that is going to keep abortion legal in some circumstances.

02:30:31

This is going to criminalize and abolish completely done abortion is over in Oklahoma.

02:30:38

That's exactly right. That's the goal. And that's what we're all shooting for, supposed to be. So, what's your opposition?

02:30:44

So, we have two oppositions right now. Naturally, you have the far left, extremely liberal, the people who are celebrating the

02:30:52

New York legislation, stuff like that, the Planned Parenthood folks, that they're, naturally, they're completely opposed to Senate Bill 13, but we also have the pro -life organizations that are actively opposing

02:31:03

Senate Bill 13. Pro -life organizations are opposing a bill that end abortion. Yeah, well, it's important to note, and up until now, up until recently, within the last couple years, people didn't understand that the pro -life organizations,

02:31:17

National Right to Life, Oklahomans for Life, and other ones, their goal was never to end abortion, and it never has been.

02:31:24

That's why their legislation has never been aimed at ending abortion, and they are opposing

02:31:30

Senate Bill 13 because it does, indeed, end abortion, and they are just terrified that we would actually do that, and that it could possibly be thrown out in the courts, and there's a lot of legal stuff we can talk about, but that's why they are, the pro -life organizations are in absolute opposition to Senate Bill 13 because it would end abortion.

02:31:48

And this is important, too, in terms of reference. If you guys would go back, when you did SB 1118 years ago, we found out that there was some opposition coming from National Right to Life, Vice President Tony Lounger, sweet man, but we saw there was opposition, so we were able to get a phone call with him.

02:32:06

That's available for you guys if you just go search Jeff Durbin and Tony Lounger, you'll see that interview to confirm what the

02:32:13

Senator is saying right now. So what's interesting here is that you'll often hear, well,

02:32:20

Senator, if SB 13 is actually signed into law, then that does away with all the pro -life legislation.

02:32:27

All these years of hard work, everything that we've worked for is just erased. Yeah, and it has to be because it's that pro -life legislation that's keeping abortion legal.

02:32:35

Can you say that one more time? It's the pro -life legislation that we have put on the books over the past 42 years that is keeping abortion legal.

02:32:43

So a lot of people try to kick it back to Roe v. Wade and they'll say, well, I wish Roe v. Wade would be overturned, which it never will be.

02:32:48

They will not overturn Roe v. Wade. But let's just suppose that the Supreme Court overturned Roe v. Wade tomorrow.

02:32:55

Oklahoma would still have abortions legal because of the pro -life legislation.

02:33:00

And that's what you've got to understand. It's not Roe v. Wade. It's the pro -life legislation that is protecting the abortion industry.

02:33:06

So the way to end abortion is at the state level. Exactly. Yeah, the states have the legal authority to stand up and say, we are gonna uphold the

02:33:15

Constitution and we as a state will no longer tolerate or legalize or allow the murder of innocent children because the

02:33:23

Supreme Court does not have the authority to authorize that or make that legal. And that's a question that I ask a lot of legislators that campaign on being pro -life.

02:33:31

Be like, do you think that the state of Oklahoma or any other state has to have the permission and the blessing of the

02:33:37

Supreme Court to protect innocent children? And they usually can't answer that question.

02:33:44

Okay, so we need to know how we can help. This is an issue of justice.

02:33:49

It's an issue of mercy. It's an issue that surrounds the fundamental basis of life and truth and human dignity and value.

02:33:57

And it is the mission of my life right now to make sure that we can be a blessing to you and to help you and to serve you.

02:34:03

So where are we at? Help everyone to know that's watching this right now. We want you to partner with Senator Soke to get this passed and to bring justice at least to start within one state,

02:34:16

Oklahoma. And then we know it'll spread from there. But where are we at right now?

02:34:21

Help us understand where we're at right now. How much time do we have? And then what do we need to do to partner with you to help bring justice to Oklahoma?

02:34:28

Okay, so right now, Senate Bill 13 has been, the first step is it has been assigned to Health and Human Services Committee.

02:34:35

The chairman, so in Oklahoma, the chairman of that committee has the authority to allow that bill to be heard and debated and voted on.

02:34:43

Or he also has the authority to block it and say, no, we're not even gonna discuss this bill. I have had conversations with him.

02:34:50

He hasn't told me we're not gonna hear it. But he also hasn't committed that he will hear it. So right now, that's where it sits.

02:34:57

It sits waiting to be heard in the Health and Human Services Committee. So what has to happen is

02:35:03

Senator Jason Smalley, he's the chairman, he needs to hear from everyone.

02:35:09

He needs, his email box needs to be flooded. Please give Senate Bill 13 a hearing, call his office.

02:35:14

He is the one person right now that is solely responsible for the fate of abolishing abortion in Oklahoma.

02:35:20

So let's hang there for one second. Senator Smalley, S -M -A -L -L -E -Y.

02:35:25

Correct. Senator Smalley needs to hear from the entire nation. And it's not important for you to notify them where you're from.

02:35:33

What's important is that you send emails right now, this very moment. Do not wait till later to do it.

02:35:40

Don't say, I'll plan on getting to it in five minutes. As you're watching this, start developing that email, get the email ready.

02:35:46

And in the subject line, you wanna say, hear SB 13 immediately. So that would be this subject line, hear

02:35:53

SB 13 immediately. Make sure you have a body to the email and a signature. Again, you don't need to necessarily tell them where you're from.

02:36:01

You just need to immediately write that email to Smalley. Senator Jason Smalley, yes.

02:36:07

Okay, to Senator Jason Smalley. And the email was, it's Smalley at OKSenate .gov.

02:36:13

Smalley at OKSenate .gov. Smalley at OKSenate .gov.

02:36:21

Do it right now. And then also they can contact Senator Smalley's office. They can. And call and say, hear the bill.

02:36:27

Yep, so if you go to OKSenate .gov, you can go to legislators, you can pull up his office number and try to talk to him directly over the phone.

02:36:34

And you can also verify you have the correct email and everything else. Okay, excellent. Okay, so then what comes after that?

02:36:40

The world sends Senator Smalley messages and he hears it on the floor. Okay, so say this works,

02:36:47

Senator Smalley says, okay, the people have spoken, we're gonna hear this bill. The very next step is we have to lobby the committee members.

02:36:56

So at that time, again, go to OKSenate .gov, look for committees, and it'll have standing committees, the

02:37:02

Health and Human Services Committee. So you can contact, I think there's maybe 10 people on there. Contact all those people.

02:37:08

Vote yes for Senate Bill 13. Vote yes for Senate Bill 13. And so we have to lobby the committee. Once that's done, then we can move on to the next committee.

02:37:16

And we have about two and a half weeks to make all that happen. Okay, excellent. That's probably good for now, right? Yes, right now that's good because those are two really big steps.

02:37:24

Important steps. Very good. So I want everyone just to hear this. Very important. This isn't an issue of partisan politics.

02:37:30

This isn't about, hey, everybody, rally around Senator Joseph Silk and make sure you put a sign in your yard and vote for Senator Silk, even though I hope the best for you there.

02:37:41

This is an issue of justice. And righteousness and truth in the land. And the way that we can support right now is not merely through prayer, but yes, please pray for Senator Silk.

02:37:53

Please pray for his family. Please pray for the team that's around him, supporting him and helping right now. But the way that we can help right now is actually putting legs to all this.

02:38:01

And that is by sending a message to Senator Smalley at smalley at okasenate .gov.

02:38:08

Subject line here, SB 13 immediately. Make a body to the email and then just sign it.

02:38:14

We need 1 million emails to go to Senator Smalley immediately. And of course, again, through the prayer and then the actual legs to this, put it in action.

02:38:24

Actually send the email, make a phone call, and that's what'll get us to the next step. That's right.

02:38:30

And the goal here for you is what? And I'll just get real personal. Why are you doing this? Are you crazy?

02:38:37

What's wrong with you? Well, actually, a lot of people ask that. They're like, you know, why are you doing that? And it's one of those things, I ran for office.

02:38:42

I look at abortion as the greatest sin that our country has committed. I mean, it's even worse than slavery.

02:38:49

Killing, slaughtering innocent children, it's unbelievable. And obviously, just to stand up for basic human rights and say let's protect innocent children, that's the reason

02:38:58

I ran for office. I quickly found out that the way that groups are doing it is inadequate and incorrect and causing the problem.

02:39:06

So that's why. I mean, I would much rather be at home playing with my kids right now, but somebody has to do this.

02:39:12

You know what's amazing? Is you're not really radical. This isn't radical. No. It's just what we've been saying all along.

02:39:19

Right. It's just consistent. Yep. And I wanna thank you. Thank you. I wanna thank you for your faithfulness. I wanna thank you for your consistency.

02:39:25

I wanna thank you for your standing for justice. Yeah. We're with you, we're behind you. I appreciate it. Okay, thank you, brother. Thank you. All right, thanks.

02:39:31

Across the country, women and men speaking out for and against abortion bans. Even here in Arizona, where there is already a law on the books.

02:39:38

So where does our state stand on the issue? Your unaborted baby wants you.

02:39:43

My unaborted baby wants you. Yeah, I know. My child that I didn't kill. They love you in Afghanistan.

02:39:51

Abortion does not kill. How does it feel to have something in common with the Taliban? They agree with you. They agree with you.

02:39:56

They have adopted or if they fostered, because a lot of people can't, and I can respect that, okay? It's a very long, it's a very screwed up process.

02:40:03

And that is part of, also part of what's wrong with America. Yes. Okay? Do you ever give money or volunteer your time to any of those organizations to help the thousands upon thousands upon thousands of children that are unwanted?

02:40:18

Can I answer that? Yeah, we work with Christian Family Care Agency. We've given lots of money. We've actually helped to support women who have these children and families.

02:40:26

We have multiple families in our church that we've helped through the adoption process. We've actually taken those classes.

02:40:32

We've encouraged and put people into those classes. We've actually held classes and seminars at our church for adoption.

02:40:39

And we have adopted children running around our church. Okay, any that are not denominational, because, and I say this with all due respect.

02:40:48

So now the standard is denomination? Okay. But my question, I do say this with all due respect.

02:40:53

A lot of times, these children who are waiting on foster care, who are waiting on adoptive care, are not coming through any kind of Christian or faith -based organization.

02:41:05

True. Okay? Okay. So, but I'm failing to see here, when I answered the objection, and there's no response, when

02:41:12

I answer that and you don't respond to that, you say, yes, but not just Christian. What I want to say is that, where's this get us to in the abortion discussion?

02:41:20

Because it seems like what's being argued here is there are a lot of kids who are struggling and in poverty and therefore we should kill them.

02:41:29

I'm talking to her. I'm talking to her, ma 'am. I'll get to you next. Go ahead. Please don't interrupt her. We can get to your question.

02:41:35

Okay, so I totally understand that. And my position, actually, with all due respect to everyone around in the circle, is not that it has, that abortion rights or women's rights have nothing to do with killing babies.

02:41:52

Okay? And everything to do - I'm sorry, I mean this with all respect. Can you explain what you mean? I don't really think I know what you mean. Actually, okay.

02:41:58

And it has everything to do, and it has everything to do with control.

02:42:05

So you, okay, can you explain what that has to do with what I just said to you? Sure, I can.

02:42:11

Okay. It's about control. I said - Yeah, it is. We should kill the poor kids. No. They're in orphanages -

02:42:17

That's not what I said. They should die early on. Wow, you're totally putting words in my mouth. No, your arguments here were that because there's an orphanage system and a foster care problem, because kids struggle as they're growing up, they should just be able to be killed when they're in the womb.

02:42:31

No, wow. Okay, what's your argument? So what I said, or what I asked, actually, was are there answers from your perspective that are not

02:42:42

Christian or faith -based, okay, in helping unwanted children?

02:42:49

Well, we're, okay, I'm gonna answer that question, and that's from this perspective, is that it's impossible to be neutral.

02:42:56

You're not neutral, and I'm not neutral. We all have a worldview, and what I would argue is that without the word of God and a biblical word,

02:43:03

I'm answering the question. I am. I'm trying to answer. I'm trying to answer, ma 'am.

02:43:10

If you could let me show her enough respect. So I wanna respect what you asked me.

02:43:16

I apologize for her behavior. So everybody has a worldview. Everybody has a worldview.

02:43:23

I'm so sorry. I'm so sorry. I apologize again. So everybody has a worldview, right?

02:43:30

So you have a worldview, and I have a worldview, and I would argue that apart from the biblical worldview, there is no human,

02:43:36

I'm sorry, there is no human value and dignity. So you said without using the

02:43:41

Bible, but if I don't use the Bible, right, so if I don't use the word of God as a foundation, then you and I are just purposeless protoplasm bobbing around in a cosmos that didn't have us in mind.

02:43:56

If our ancestors were fish, which I'm not sure, do you accept that worldview? Are you an atheist, agnostic?

02:44:03

Okay, so I'll show you how it does matter. I'll show you how it matters.

02:44:10

Okay, so it matters because we have to ask the question, what is this lovely person right here?

02:44:17

What is she? She's lovely, she's wonderful, she's beautiful. I'd say we all have a perspective that says that she's worthy of value, dignity, and respect, but we have to have a basis to say that because, watch this, we have to be able to say this.

02:44:32

This is a random result of evolutionary processes according to our dominant secular worldview, right?

02:44:39

The universe didn't have us in mind or her in mind. According to the predominant worldview today, she's a cosmic accident and so is this.

02:44:48

My worldview says, no, she's unique and in the image of God and deserves value, dignity, love, and respect.

02:44:56

My question is, if you abandon the biblical worldview, what basis do you have to call anything lovely or worthy of respect?

02:45:04

All right, so in that same vein, if you believe that we are all worthy of dignity and respect, do you believe that a child of rape is an act of God?

02:45:19

So, you didn't answer the challenge I gave to you, but I'm happy to answer all that you asked me.

02:45:27

So you didn't answer how we can see other humans as valuable but I'll answer the question about rape. Can you give me a yes or no answer?

02:45:33

Sure, I'd love to give you the answer to the issue of rape. I believe that the human being in the womb is always worthy of our value, love, and respect and protection.

02:45:43

And I do believe that the rapist deserves the death penalty, but not the child.

02:45:50

So that's a no. I didn't suggest murder. I didn't, no,

02:45:55

I didn't suggest murder. There's a difference between, here's the difference.

02:46:01

A human being that goes so far as to do such a wicked and evil thing to a woman has determined to commit a crime that is worthy of death.

02:46:10

I'm not suggesting that we do vigilante justice and go kill that person. I'm saying there should be a trial, criminal proceedings, and any man who would actually do such a wicked thing to a woman deserves to die.

02:46:23

Your position, your position is that the child deserves the death penalty. So do you believe in absolute good and absolute evil?

02:46:31

I believe that God's character is the absolute standard of good, yes. And can there be good without evil?

02:46:41

I believe that God's character is the standard of good.

02:46:47

And I believe that anything that is against the character of God is evil. But back, can you, and I don't mean this to make you feel bad or to try to win debate points, but I mean, genuinely,

02:46:59

I wanna ask you this question. When I said that the man who rapes a woman deserves the death penalty, everybody went up in arms.

02:47:05

How could you believe such a thing? But you all believe the child deserves it. Okay, but you are also inflicting your opinion on the person being raped.

02:47:17

Do you understand that? Can you explain what you mean? I'm saying that the man deserves the death penalty. So I wanna tell you a story.

02:47:23

I worked in a domestic violence shelter for years. I held the hand of a 12 -year -old little girl raped by her stepfather, who looked me in the eyes with tears and said to me,

02:47:40

I don't want this thing in my body. What do you say to that girl?

02:47:48

I would wanna come alongside that girl, love her, care for her, support her, and work towards justice.

02:47:56

Well, I'm answering. I would want the man who did that to receive the death penalty, but I don't believe that we should give the death penalty to the child.

02:48:05

You still haven't answered that. You believe that the man should not get the death penalty, but the child should.

02:48:11

Okay, but I don't believe, what you're doing is cutting out and totally neglecting the girl in the middle.

02:48:18

No, I'm not. I actually just denied that. I said we should come alongside her, come alongside her, support her, love her.

02:48:25

About what happened to her. Well, what we shouldn't say is that we should kill the children of criminals.

02:48:33

The child, what has the child done in the womb? Okay, but the child is the 12 -year -old child first.

02:48:40

This is a fallen world. Evil and wicked things happen in this fallen world, which is why you hate it so much, this evil thing that happened, but we don't solve the problem of evil and injustice by perpetrating more injustice upon other children.

02:48:53

And yet, it's okay to perpetrate, to kill her rapists.

02:48:58

I'm on the right side of the line. There's a baby here. There's a baby here. Respect the bubble. Respect the bubble.

02:49:06

Leave your baby at home. If you're so concerned about your child, leave your baby at home. No, I have the right to be out here.

02:49:11

Then don't care about it. So you care about babies? She wasn't touching you. You care about babies? Oh, so you're fine.

02:49:16

I just didn't want to bother you. Black babies are aborted. Do you understand how many African - Do you know how many white babies are aborted? Do you know how many

02:49:22

Asian babies are aborted? Who cares? Well, it matters. Do you know the play? Let me ask you a question. Who knows about Margaret Sanger?

02:49:28

Who knows about Margaret Sanger? Do you know about Margaret Sanger? Do you know that she was a very vocal racist and hated black people?

02:49:37

Do you know that she believed that it would be good to actually wipe out the black population through abortion?

02:49:43

No one here is saying that. No one here is saying that. You're the one bringing up wiping out black people. Where are most

02:49:49

Planned Parenthood set up, predominantly? Where are they set up? You're gonna make this a racist issue now. That's the issue, is that this is a racist issue.

02:49:56

It is. This is a woman's right. This is a - The issue of abortion is certainly a race issue as well.

02:50:01

It's not a human, it is a human rights issue. It's also a choice issue. But it's also, it is a human rights issue, but I'm gonna say, for someone that is a beautiful black woman like yourself,

02:50:11

I have concern. I have concern for you as an image bearer of God. I wanna show you respect and love.

02:50:19

I wanna show you love and respect and concern. And I wanna say that someone who is a sister in humanity, your lack of concern for where this comes from, and there's a typical apologetic of Planned Parenthood supporters, no argument, just talking about their pussies.

02:50:45

Okay, can you explain how I'm going in circles? I'm not talking into your, get that out of my face.

02:50:53

So you can't engage in a rational dialogue? Can I answer my question? Okay, so what about the fertility clinics, and it's all okay for embryos in fertility clinics to be destroyed?

02:51:07

Evil. Absolutely evil. Absolutely evil, and we're gonna fight against that as well.

02:51:13

Well, why aren't you doing that now? Well, here's what we're doing. Why aren't you standing out in front of fertility clinics?

02:51:18

May I? Saying, well, wait, let me speak. You've been talking a long time. I'm saying, why don't you go out into fertility clinics and be protesting their destruction of embryos right there?

02:51:32

May I answer? And my second point is what are they gonna do with all those embryos in fertility clinics?

02:51:41

If they are not destroyed, what's gonna happen to them? Can I answer, number one, our fight here against this is fighting for protecting all humans from conception, and you are human from conception.

02:51:54

You're recognizing that right now by talking about the fertility clinics and the embryos. So let me finish.

02:52:00

I let you finish. Okay, let's be fair to each other. So can we be fair to each other?

02:52:06

I let you do two. Okay, okay. So may I please? May I please? You gave me two.

02:52:13

Ma 'am, if you're not gonna let me finish the conversation. Ma 'am, you didn't let me finish.

02:52:20

You didn't let me finish. Ma 'am, can I finish a thought? You had two points.

02:52:26

May I finish without interruption? Okay, so number one, when you bring up the moral problem of the fertility clinic by saying those are embryos that are fertilized, you're demonstrating that you recognize that they are human and it's a problem.

02:52:42

The next thing is, again, I'm addressing your argument. Feel free to respond after.

02:52:48

Feel free to respond after. Next, snowflake babies. There you go.

02:52:54

So this is what happened, boys. When you get into conversations with women like this and you engage their arguments, you'll see that they don't have a way to respond.

02:53:03

They always walk away. That's the critical thing to see. No. What's that?

02:53:11

Who's calling a name? They're called snowflake. No, no, no, no, no.

02:53:16

Ma 'am, hey. What are they? I have never heard of a snowflake. And there you go. Before you try to use something as an argument, feel free to ask me.

02:53:26

Feel free to ask me. No, I say feel free to ask. Thank you. So it's actually a very amazing thing where these fertilized eggs are then implanted into the uterus and women give birth to these babies.

02:53:39

There's actually a really incredible story, an incredible story that there's one human being who is actually 15 or 16 years on ice and is now running around because it's a snowflake baby, put into the womb, given a chance to grow and to develop.

02:53:57

And so that's what we do with them. And Christians are doing it across the country. Well, I have people.

02:54:09

Yeah, I have people actually in our... I'm trying to answer. I'm trying to answer.

02:54:14

We have people who are within our church that were ectopic pregnancies. But that's not...

02:54:20

That's anecdotal evidence. People at your church... You asked me what to do about it. And I said...

02:54:26

I'm asking you why is that not okay? If a child is going to kill the mother and itself, you cannot terminate the pregnancy?

02:54:36

An ectopic pregnancy. People are talking about taking it out of the body and then re -implanting it in the womb.

02:54:43

May I answer? May I answer? Okay, just give me a few seconds to answer. Are you aware of the statistics on abortion that less than 2 % are for life incest or rape?

02:54:57

You have no idea. Less than 2%. Less than 2%. Always. There are records.

02:55:02

You can see this. And there you go. And that's typically what happens. Yeah. Abortion is still legal in all 50 states.

02:55:11

No, actually it's illegal in Arizona. AZ Statute 13 -3603. Roe v. Wade federal law trumps all of that.

02:55:18

No, ma 'am, that's not how it works. Supreme Court does not create law. What's our constitution say about creation of law?

02:55:23

If you want to... If you like... I'm so sorry.

02:55:31

It's okay, it's okay. Yeah, no, no. Like, you can challenge it. You can challenge that. Can I ask you a question?

02:55:37

Our constitution, what does it say about law? Who creates law? Can you just please answer? You can't.

02:55:43

You can't answer. The Supreme Court does not create law according to our constitution. Congress makes law.

02:55:50

So the Supreme Court was an opinion, not a law. No, the Supreme Court, it's federal statute.

02:55:56

There's been no federal statute. There's been no federal statute. Ma 'am, you need to educate yourself on the law.

02:56:03

God bless you. All right. Thank you, officers. Appreciate your protection. Hello again, honorable representatives.

02:56:16

I told you we'd be back. My name is Desiree Mays. I'm a Christian and a member of Apologia Church. And I first off just want to thank you for your time.

02:56:24

And the opportunity to speak to you today. As you know, HB 2696 was presented today.

02:56:30

And this is the allotted citizen comment time. And as a citizen, I would just like to say that I'm utterly disgusted and angry.

02:56:38

I honestly can't even believe that anyone would have the audacity to present a bill like this.

02:56:43

And that there would be others openly supporting it. Thank God it got killed today. Here's the thing, we should all be equally outraged at abortion at any stage because it's murder.

02:56:53

Whether it's a baby at five weeks gestation, 20 weeks or 40 weeks, people don't become more or less valuable because of their age.

02:57:01

It's just that one of the whole arguments of the pro -choice movement is that the baby in the womb is an unviable clump of cells.

02:57:08

Again, an unscientific argument that's outdated by decades. But here's the hard truth that we saw in Vivid Colored today.

02:57:15

Those who support abortion when presented with this scenario of a baby actually surviving a botched abortion and is laying on the operating table breathing, want the abortionist to have the right to legally look that baby in the face and watch her die a slow and painful death when they have the power to help her.

02:57:33

Can you think of anything more barbaric? Make no mistake, this is the agenda of the pro -choice movement.

02:57:40

Abortion on demand at any stage, no restrictions for any reason. And now they're pushing for the rights to kill outside of the womb.

02:57:48

What's next, two -year -olds, eight -year -olds? Murder is murder at any age.

02:57:54

So how do we stop this? More abortion regulations? Pro -life bill after bill has been passed regulating abortion.

02:58:01

Just two years ago, Senate Bill 1367 was passed here that strengthens

02:58:06

Arizona's law to ensure babies born alive after an abortion would receive life -saving care. You see, we don't need more legislation to regulate abortion.

02:58:14

We need to end it. You all know we already have a current law in the books that criminalizes abortion. We need

02:58:20

AZ Statute 13 -3603 to be upheld. You are all neglecting to do what you've been sworn in office to do, which is uphold the law.

02:58:29

It is your duty to establish justice for every person regardless of their age. And I will remind you again that 60 million babies have been murdered since Roe v.

02:58:39

Wade. More will die gruesome and barbaric deaths today in this city and in this state.

02:58:46

How many more have to die until you'll do something? Please let this be the day that you get the courage to stand up for what is right.

02:58:54

If you do, we pledge to stand behind you. We don't need cowards in office. We need bold men and women who will take a stand for what is right regardless of what our culture and society says.

02:59:04

Never forget that slavery was once legal in our country and it took Americans like you and like me to say no more.

02:59:12

Please go to endabortionnow .com to join us in this fight. Thank you for your time. Thank you. It's amazing that the strategy of Planned Parenthood has been very, very successful since its inception from the likes of Margaret Sanger.

02:59:34

Margaret Sanger wanted to target minority communities because she believed in more children from the fit and less children from the unfit.

02:59:43

That was her motto. She believed that people of color were like weeds that needed to be pulled in a garden.

02:59:50

And how alive and well is that philosophy today behind the walls of Planned Parenthood in which we have minorities, we have blacks,

03:00:01

Hispanics that are the majority of people that come to this place to offer up their own son and daughter to pay someone, to pay an assassin to destroy their own son or daughter.

03:00:13

Here in Arizona alone, 40 % of those who obtain an abortion of any kind, whether it's chemical, surgical, 40 % are

03:00:26

Hispanic. So you have Hispanics, minority community in the state of Arizona quite literally killing themselves, killing their own people group.

03:00:37

Blacks, same thing. That's why Planned Parenthood is established in these communities to contribute to the destruction and the continual harboring of malice against people of color.

03:00:56

It's amazing. You look back in the times of slavery, times where people were devalued, they were dehumanized for being a different color or for just being different period.

03:01:10

Nowadays, we have the same thing going on at the hands of those who champion abortion on demand.

03:01:18

It is the dehumanization of the child in the womb. Right, so just an example.

03:01:26

I know it looks like a human being. I know it walks like a human being, talks like one, but it's not, it's my slave, it's my property.

03:01:35

That's the argument that slave owners were using to justify their man stealing and their imprisonment and oppression of a certain people group.

03:01:52

The same thing happened in Nazi Germany. In Nazi Germany, you have the

03:01:58

Third Reich. They would say, I know it looks like a person, looks like a human being, but it's not, it's a

03:02:04

Jew. Now, in the modern day, the oppressed people group has merely been transferred from Jews, from blacks, from Native Americans onto the child in the womb.

03:02:20

The child in the womb is the slave. The child in the womb is the Jew. I know it looks like a human being.

03:02:28

I know what biology says. I know what science testifies to. I know what genetics says.

03:02:33

It's absolutely irrefutable, but guess what? It's my property, and I can do with it as I please.

03:02:40

That's the argument. That's what a woman essentially says when she says, it's my body.

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She's saying, I own this thing, this machine. God didn't make it.

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It evolved through natural evolutionary processes over a long period of time, and therefore,

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I have complete ownership of it, and I did not consent to a fetus as a parasite invading my body, therefore,

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I can get rid of this clump of cells, this mass of tissues, this parasite.

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How dehumanizing and how destructive of the relationship between a mother and her baby, a mother and her child.

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Actually painting the beautiful portrait of motherhood, taking that beautiful picture that God gives us and putting a mother at war with her own baby.

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Not only at war with her own baby, but at war with her own body. That's what feminism has done.

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Feminism has destroyed women and caused them to be at war with their own bodies.

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They hate themselves, they hate their bodies, and so they wanna be men. They're rebelling against their very biology, against the very way that they've been made.

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All of us have been made, our bodies have been made by God. Men's bodies have been given to them that testify what

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God commands of them, to be fruitful, to multiply, to fill the earth, to subdue it, to build the kingdom of God, to protect those who have been entrusted to them.

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A woman's body bears witness. It's not a neutral entity that we just impose meaning upon as we see fit.

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No, a woman's body was meant, designed by God beautifully in such a way that a man's body could never be, to grow a child, to nurture a child, to preserve a child's life, to care for that baby.

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Something unique, fearfully and wonderfully made that God has given women. But what feminism, atheism, agnosticism, what all these ideologies have done, that they have driven a wedge between a woman's body, her material nature, and then her immaterial nature, her spirit that God has given her.

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And so there's this constant war going on. And so it makes sense when women are at war with their own biologies, they are by extension at war with the separate biology that is within them.

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The little woman in the womb, oftentimes, sometimes, but the gospel of Jesus Christ is that God not only saves sinners,

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He not only restores and reconciles people to Himself by the person and work of Jesus Christ on the cross,

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He restores humanity to its intended purpose. He restores men and women to live how they were designed.

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That is part and parcel of the good news of the gospel of the kingdom, is that Jesus in Himself, in bringing sinners to Himself, is making a new humanity and He is restoring, moms and dad,

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He is restoring everything that was lost in the garden. So friends, as we call out to you today, there are many different ways that you could try to justify what you're doing.

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You could say, well, things are hard right now. You don't understand, I don't have a lot of money. I'm not able to pay my bills.

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I'm actually trying to find a job right now. I actually have three other children, right? I hear these things. I've heard these things before, and I want you to know how many families there were before you with those same things that we as a church have taken away, those reasons, those supposed justifications, why moms and dads felt they had to kill their babies.

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We've taken those away. There's actually a couple that chose life. They were scheduled to come into this facility, this

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Planned Parenthood, a couple months ago. I ended up talking with this mom on the phone the day of her appointment.

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She had an appointment that afternoon, and I ended up talking with her. And she ended up not going to Planned Parenthood that day and having her baby killed.

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And now her baby is doing well. Her baby is growing as they should, even though she was terrified.

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You see, she has hard times with her pregnancy. She has gestational diabetes, and the further along she gets, she needs to go to the doctor more, which means more medical co -pays, and she needs more, honestly.

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And her son has special needs. And we as a church are committed to helping them. We, in one day, one day, let me tell you, this is amazing.

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I talked with this mom. We found out all of her needs. We put up a GoFundMe, and in one night, one night, we raised $1 ,700 for her, and we gave it to her as a

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Christmas present. Friends, we can help you. It's not for lack of help that mothers and fathers stay in these places.

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It is for lack of desire. They don't want their children. I just had a woman the other day at a different clinic here in the

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Valley tell me, I was pleading with her, ma 'am, please, don't do this. Don't hurt your baby.

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Don't kill your child. We'll help you. We'll adopt them. We'll provide you diapers, formula, any material needs.

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We'll help you with anything. Just don't do this. And she said, no, that's okay.

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I just don't want a baby right now. And that is the desire of women that go into these places.

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It's not that they have no other choice. It's that they have no other desire than to have their baby killed.

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And it grieves and saddens me. But such is the nature of sin.

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People who are slaves to sin are slaves to self -deception.

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They've lied to themselves. They've lied to themselves. They believe the lie.

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They've lied to themselves. They're worshiping the preacher rather than the creator.

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They're worshiping oftentimes themselves as their desires are merely just an extension of themselves.

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Their God is their will. Their God is choice. And at the expense of pleasing their

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God and offering acceptable worship to their God, they offer up their own children as the sacrifice of worship to their

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God. That's what happens at these places of death. Babies are murdered here.

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Babies are murdered here. And they are murdered by their own parents.

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They are murdered by their own parents who should love them, who should be caring for them, who should be providing for their needs.

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And we're here to help with that. You've heard several people now offer you help, offer you service, take away every excuse.

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The only reason that you would stay in there today is pride. That's the only reason. Just pride. Pride is the only reason that you would stay.

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God opposes the proud, but He gives grace to the humble. Ma 'am, as you're running out of there, please consider the fact that you are patronizing a place that dismembers little girls, that decapitates little boys, that takes them apart in the womb and then puts them back together like a puzzle and discarded like trash.

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That's what you do. There are babies being murdered at this place today. And people are driving around, they're just walking down the street like nothing's happening.

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Let me say it again. Babies are being murdered here today. And God commands you not to murder, ma 'am.

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The Bible says that their feet make haste to run to evil. That's what you are doing as you run into this place right now from your car.

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And you shuffle your feet through that door. The portrait that God's word paints comes to life every time out here, women rushing into this place, rushing into this place, hiding themselves.

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Why is that? If this is such a good thing, if this is such a noble thing, it's because it's not.

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Nobility would be self -sacrifice, not the sacrifice of your child's life for yours.

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You see a mother lays down her life for her baby. And that's a portrait of the gospel.

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A portrait of the gospel, that's why feminists hate motherhood so much.

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They hate children and they hate motherhood so much because it's a portrait of the gospel and they really hate

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God. Because the gospel is about laying one's life down for your neighbor.

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And because abortion is the opposite of that, they hate parenthood and they hate and despise children.

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That's the hard truth. But Jesus can flip that on its head.

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Jesus can give you a love for your baby, moms. Good news today, Jesus can give you a love for your baby.

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He can take away the malice in your heart. He can take away the hatred that you have for your child.

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He can make you a new creation. He can restore you to true womanhood. Men, fathers inside,

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He can restore you to true fatherhood. He can make you new. He can wash you of your sins.

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The Bible says, if we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all of our unrighteousness.

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But if we say that we have no sin, we make ourselves liar, a liar and His word is not in us.

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That's the testimony of Scripture. That same book that I just quoted to you says, it's a warning given to God's people, don't be like Cain who murdered his brother.

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And why did he murder his brother? Because his brother's deeds were righteous and his were wicked.

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You can be assured of this, my brothers, no murderer has eternal life abiding in them.

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No murderer has eternal life abiding in them. That is why you need

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Christ. Jesus Christ saves murderers. He saves drunkards.

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He saves sluggards. He saves thieves. He slaves adulterers. He saves fornicators.

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He saves idolaters. Because rest assured, none of those things will inherit the kingdom of heaven.

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And that's what the Bible says. None of those things will inherit the kingdom of God. Neither to the gentleman with the pink umbrella and the pink vest, neither will be effeminate enter the kingdom of heaven, sir.

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It's not just those who participate in the homosexual act who won't inherit the kingdom.

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It's the men who are also effeminate. Men who play the women. A man who plays a woman, not just in the bedroom, but in every other area of his life too.

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That man will not inherit the kingdom of heaven. And by you being here today, supporting the murder of these little women and these little boys, you are demonstrating yourself to be that which does not inherit the kingdom of heaven.

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But there is hope for you, my friend. God can give you courage to do the right thing.

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If you turn from your sin, God can make you new again so that you stop dancing in your effeminacy on the graves of these children that you are leading to the slaughter today.

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I saw you earlier waving over at us, smiling gleefully, dancing over there, dancing over the graves of these children in your effeminacy.

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God calls you to more than that. He calls you not to look to me, not to look to any man out here, but to look to the man,

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Jesus Christ, the God -man. He is the portrait of true manhood. He is the one who engages in necessary conflict.

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He is the one who calls out the oppressors of groups of people.

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He is the one that saves his people.

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He is the one that lays his life down for his people.

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He is the good shepherd. His sheep know him. They hear his voice and they follow him and he gives them eternal life and no one will snatch them from his hand.

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Jesus is outraged at evil. He is outraged at injustice. And that's the message, by the way, that was promised about the

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Messiah, that when he came, he would faithfully bring forth justice and that the coastlands would wait for his law.

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The farthest reaches of the earth would wait for his justice. And Jesus Christ himself is about justice.

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He's about righteousness. He is about giving someone their due. And moms and dads, and those of you standing out here, the due for these children is that you spare their lives that you protect their lives, that you preserve their lives, not that you give them a brutal death.

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That is what is due, my friends, for them. That it would be justice in this situation, justice.

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Injustice is to put the innocent to death and to let the oppressor, the criminal go free.

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In God's law, the shedding of innocent blood is such an offense to God because God says you do not punish innocent blood and you don't let murderers go free.

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God is intimately concerned with justice. And when a nation like ours sheds the blood of the innocent over and over every day, every month, every year for decades, we are storing up wrath for ourselves in this nation that we live in.

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And God will avenge it. He will avenge it. That is my fear.

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And that's why another reason why we come here is to give God a reason not to destroy us as a nation.

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We have committed such blatant and high -handed sin against our maker. He has every right to destroy us.

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Yeah, yeah, awesome. I like the red beard. He has every right to destroy us and to uproot us.

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I pray, friends, that he grants you repentance today. I pray, again,

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I shared the gospel with you earlier. Let me recap. Jesus Christ is

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God. He lived righteously, died for sinners, and rose again from the grave. He commands you to turn from your sin, to repent and to believe the good news of his kingdom.

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He is your king. You are not your own. You do not own your body.

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God owns your body, and he commands you to honor him with that. That is his standard. He commands you to stop being soft men and hard women.

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He commands you not to murder. And those of you inside, moms and dads that can hear us, we care about you, we love you.

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Please come and talk to us. Come out here and I'll show you the pictures. I'll show you the pictures of little

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Atlas. I'll show you the picture of Atlas, the baby girl that was saved that I got to see just about three weeks ago now, a few weeks ago.

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She's almost two years old now. She's absolutely precious. She's wonderful. I was there the day that she was in the hospital.

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I was there the day that her parents came out of Planned Parenthood.

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I was at their house a couple of weeks after she was born and I got to hold her for the very first time. And that baby girl is everything that Planned Parenthood despises.

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She is a living reminder of what goes on at this place in vivid, high -definition color.

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She is a constant reminder of what happens at this place. This place makes money off of the backs of murdered children.

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They throw them away like trash and they make little girls like that a mockery because of the malice that they have for those children.

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Every child that has been saved from an abortion mill, an abortion clinic, is a living testimony.

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And if we were to line them up on this sidewalk today, who would have the greater testimony? If you lined up all of the victims that you are murdering today, and we lined up all the children saved, which is the more attractive world to live in?

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Which is the world that actually makes sense as God created it to be? Is it your world where you have little boys and girls torn into pieces?

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Or is it the kingdom of God and of his Messiah and of his community of redeemed, blood -bought people with families, with children?

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Which portrait will last and stand the test of time?

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Which will last? Which owns the future? God owns all of history.

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Oh, Lord, our Lord, how majestic is your name in all the earth. You have set your glory above the heavens.

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Out of the mouth of babies and infants, you have established strength because of your foes to still the enemy and the avenger.

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God has ordained praise to come from the mouth of nursing infants and babies for his glory that will still the enemy and the avenger.

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Your time is short, Planned Parenthood. God will move and he will judge justly and he will use his people and the proclamation of his word to end the massacre of innocence, to end the slaughter of children at these places of death.

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So please, come quietly before it's too late. Come quietly now.

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God, the Bible says, person of Jesus did not consider equality with God a thing to be grasped or held onto, but made himself nothing.

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Taking on the nature of a servant, being found in human appearance. Thank you guys so much for coming.

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Appreciate it. He emptied himself and became obedient to death, even death on a cross, that at the name of Jesus, every knee should bow.

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God has highly exalted him and given him the name that is above all names so that at the name of Jesus, every knee should bow in heaven, on earth and under the earth and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is

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Lord to the glory of God, the father. Submit to his rule while you still have time, my friends.

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We care about you. Please, God commands you, stop murdering babies.

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I was born in Las Vegas and some of my best, favorite, most emotional, intimate memories are from when

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I was a little boy and I would go to visit family in Las Vegas.

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And I remember distinctly, really distinctly, always flying into Las Vegas at nighttime.

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And I remember looking out the window of the airplane always as a little boy. My favorite moment was when we were coming into Las Vegas and you could see just darkness, but this city lighting up everything.

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And I remember as a little boy, just thinking how glorious it looked and how beautiful and amazing.

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And I was in awe of this city that I was born in. And I remember the feeling of just seeing just pure darkness and this light just lighting up the darkness.

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And to this day, whenever I'm traveling or doing ministry and we get to come through Vegas, one of my favorite things to do is to come into Las Vegas at nighttime and see the lights lighting everything up.

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And it's amazing too, because if you look around this incredible spectacle in the desert, you see just the lights and the veneer, but underneath the surface of all of this is this intense idolatry, rebellion and opposition.

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You see here is a city that is called, what? Sin City.

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What happens in Vegas stays in Vegas. That's the motto, right? People come here from all over the world.

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I mean, you walk down the streets here just tonight, you can hear accents from all over the world,

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Ireland, Scotland, England, Africa, everywhere. I mean, it's all represented on the street here and people come here from all over the world to party, to engage in the pursuit of pleasure.

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It's underneath all of this, all of the lights in darkness here is just a veneer.

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It's just on the surface. And underneath it is this intense rebellion and pursuit of pleasure.

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There is the pursuit of drugs and alcohol and sex, sex without consequences, only it has a tremendous amount of consequences.

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Underneath all of this, sex without consequences, the idolatry of sexual immorality is the consequence of life, the beauty of life, the forming of a new life.

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And in this town, in this city with no consequences and where what happens here stays here, you have the consequence of all of the sexual immorality and all the rest and you have the consequence which is really glorious consequence and that's life, the beauty of life.

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And in this town, you have Planned Parenthood and the abortion facilities that actually address the consequences of what happens here, stays here.

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And you have children every single day in the city and in the state that are killed as a result of this kind of a lifestyle.

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And it's really an amazing blessing to see that since God formed

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End Abortion Now through Apologia Church, we have churches in Nevada and in Las Vegas who are bringing the gospel into this city in the darkness, into the context of the pursuit of pleasure, the gospel to the abortion mill saving lives.

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It's incredible actually when you think about that experience I had as a little boy flying into the darkness and then seeing this city in the darkness, lighting up the darkness.

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It's really actually how Jesus describes the church is that that's our mission.

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Our mission is to be salt. Salt is a preservative. It actually stops things from spoil and decay.

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It's not just to make things taste better. It's to stop things from spoil and decay and rot.

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And Jesus says that we're the light of the world. We're the ones that actually set light into darkness and light dispels darkness.

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And that really is the mission of the church in the world. People ask the question, should we be involved in bringing the gospel in the area of abortion?

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I mean, isn't it enough just to be pro -life within the walls of the church and pro -life between our ears and in our homes?

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Is that enough? And the answer is no, not according to Jesus in his most famous sermon.

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He calls us to be salt that actually stops things from spoil and decay. And he calls us to be light that dispels the darkness.

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We're supposed to be, as the church, the city in darkness. That when people actually look into the world at all the darkness in the world, it's the people of God that are lighting up the darkness.

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We're supposed to be that incredible spectacle in the desert, this wasteland of lostness and sin in the world.

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We're supposed to be that amazing spectacle of light that is just blazing out of the darkness and dispelling the darkness.

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That's the mission of the church. And you can be a part of it. We actually have lights right now in the desert bringing the gospel into the area of abortion.

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And you can actually sign up your church and bring the gospel into conflict with abortion. And you can save lives.

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Just a couple of days ago, we learned about four lives saved just in one morning. Thousands of lives have been saved.

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You can be a part of being that light and that salt, just go to endabortionnow .com

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and you can get your church signed up for free, get free training and get free resources to be a part of the mission of the church, to be that light in the darkness, to be that salt that stops things from spoiling decay and to bring the gospel into conflict with the issue of abortion.

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You can sign up right now for free, free training, free resources. Everything is given away to your local church.

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Just go to endabortionnow .com. Hi, I'm Jeff Durbin with Apologia Church and End Abortion Now.

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Just a few short years ago, God called us to start End Abortion Now. End Abortion Now at the very beginning was just Apologia Church trying to equip local churches across the

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United States to start abortion mill ministries to save children's lives. We wanted to create a ministry that was a gospel centered ministry based upon scripture, the word of God that was coming out of local churches to once and for all end abortion.

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We also wanted to actually begin a cultural movement to bring the light of the gospel into the conversation of abortion.

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We knew we needed to do that through media. We wanted to actually inundate platforms globally with millions and millions of views with a focus on the gospel itself in conflict with abortion.

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We also wanted to begin the process of raising up these local churches to bring the gospel to their local legislatures.

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Since we began, since you started this ministry with us years ago, since you gave towards this ministry, since you participated with us in this ministry,

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God has raised up almost 500 local churches globally. The amazing thing to us is that these local churches were not only starting this ministry to save lives, to use the gospel and to work towards an immediate end of abortion in the

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United States of America. But at this point, we have churches that are doing this in Australia, New Zealand, all over North America, that's the

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United States and Canada, and even now in Ireland itself. Through your participation with End Abortion Now, God has saved literally thousands of children from death.

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At this point, we have no ability to count how many babies are being saved. I wanna give you an update about 2019.

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Many of you guys partnered with us, you prayed with us, you gave towards 2019 in our ministry and mission.

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And what God has done has been absolutely incredible. Not only have we been able to save thousands of children from death, and not only have we raised up just so many local churches globally to bring the gospel to their local abortion mills and to demand an immediate end to abortion, we were able to once again spread the message of the gospel in conflict with abortion through media around the globe.

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We did this through regular platforms like Facebook and YouTube, and we were of course able to actually produce the documentary

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Babies Are Still Murdered Here with Marcus Pittman. Not only did Babies Are Still Murdered Here break all the records of the last film, but Babies Are Still Murdered Here is available on YouTube and Facebook and Amazon Prime.

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This film is being seen globally, and what this film does is it actually communicates the gospel itself in conflict with abortion, and it demonstrates the failures of the pro -life movements to work consistently to once and for all criminalize, end, and abolish abortion.

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Through your partnership with End Abortion Now in 2019, you were able to be a part of what God started through this movement, and that is local churches going to their local legislatures, demanding an immediate end to abortion, preaching the good news of Jesus Christ to their local legislatures, and demanding an immediate end to abortion in their cities, in their towns, in their states.

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You were a part of that. You helped to make that happen. This happened across the United States of America, and it was everybody from pastors to little children demanding an immediate end to abortion in their cities.

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You helped to start that movement to bring Christians to their legislatures to demand the criminalization, the end, the abolishment of abortion in the

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United States of America. Through your partnership in 2019, you helped us to equip and to send out kits to local churches across the

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United States of America to train those churches, and you were able to help us so that we were doing this completely for free for those churches.

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It was no cost whatsoever to them. You also helped us through your partnership to actually begin a platform where all of these local churches can communicate with one another minute by minute to coordinate, to bring the good news into their cities, into their towns, into their states.

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You also helped us to produce content that would equip these churches to begin their own media ministry so that we could begin the transformation of the culture with the light of the gospel across all social media platforms.

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In 2019, all of this work began because you were a part of it with us at the beginning of the year.

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And we wanna say thank you for everything you did with us in 2019. We're grateful to God for all that he's done.

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And truly, this thing is just beginning. In 2020, we have a very big year ahead of us.

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Now that all the pieces are in place, now that we've actually raised up nearly 500 local churches to do this movement with us, now that we've been able to equip these churches completely for free, now that they're out saving thousands of lives, and now that Christians are beginning the process of speaking to their legislatures with a message of the gospel demanding an immediate end to abortion, and now that we are flooding the media with the content of the gospel in conflict with abortion, we're ready to have 2020 be the first year, we pray, that there would be sanctuary cities and an end of abortion in cities, states, and in this nation.

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That's what we're working towards in 2020. All of the platforms have been laid down. All of the foundations are there.

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2020 is the year where, God willing, we are hoping to raise up so many more churches to begin this work with us to save thousands more lives, but also to work together as a team with all of those churches to once and for all end, criminalize, and abolish abortion in our nation.

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Because you joined together with us, because you served alongside of us, and because you partnered with us in ministry, you made all of this possible.

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All of the thousands of children that are alive today because of Christians going out to preach the gospel in this issue, they're alive today because of your work together with us.

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So we're humbled by it. We're grateful for it. And we want to ask you, whether you've participated with us before or not, to prayerfully consider giving towards this work for 2020, to end abortion, to criminalize it once and for all, and to do it as Christians.

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Help us in 2020 to once and for all end this.

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Help us to shut these places down and help us to do it with the message of the gospel.

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Honorable council members, my name is

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Lauren Walker. I'm 11 years old and a member of Apologia Church. I want to sincerely thank you for the time you have given me to speak today.

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I would like to begin by reminding you that there once was a time in American history when it was legal to own slaves and racism was commonplace.

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Today, we look back on that point in history and think, how could those people have treated other human beings who simply had different color of skin with such abuse?

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There was also a time in American history when parents slaughtered their own children and government did nothing about it.

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That time is now. People are slaughtering their own precious babies and this council is doing absolutely nothing to stop it.

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There'll be a time in human history when people are going to look at this moment with disgust and shame, just as we look back in repulsion on slavery and racism today.

03:39:25

In fact, John Piper reveals that between 1882 and 1968, 3 ,446 black people were lynched in America.

03:39:36

Today, more black babies are killed by abortionists every three days than all who were lynched in those years.

03:39:43

And government is letting it happen. You should be concerned about the legacy you are leaving, but you should be even more concerned about how

03:39:49

God is going to judge you on judgment day. He will judge you by his holy law, the 10 commandments, the sixth one, which clearly states you shall not murder.

03:39:59

Pastor and author David Platt warned us to quote, remember God's character. He is the holy and righteous judge of all and he hates injustice.

03:40:07

He detests the taking of innocent life and he is the judge of all who participate in it. God is the judge of mothers who have aborted babies, fathers who have encouraged abortion, grandparents who have supported abortion and friends who have advised abortion.

03:40:22

God is the judge of doctors who have performed abortions, leaders who have permitted abortions, pastors who have counseled people to have abortions and legislators who have worked to make abortion possible.

03:40:34

That includes each and every one of you. You will be judged for your inaction on that day because doing nothing is actually doing something.

03:40:43

So I urge you to stand against abortion. Fight against it. Do whatever is needed to ensure that Arizona State Law 13 -3603 is enforced.

03:40:54

Make Phoenix a sanctuary city for the unborn in order to follow the will of God. Consider the words of missionary

03:41:01

C .T. Studd. Too long have we been waiting for one hour to begin. The time for waiting is past.

03:41:06

The hour of God has struck. War is declared and God's holy nameless rise and build.

03:41:12

The God of heaven, he will fight for us as we for him and gates and menace of hell shall not prevail against us.

03:41:19

So such men as we fear, I would like to ask you council members with this question.

03:41:26

Who do you fear, man or God? God's word tells us in Luke 12 verse five, but I will show you whom you should fear.

03:41:35

Fear him who after your body has been killed has authority to throw you into hell. Yes, I tell you, fear him.

03:41:43

Thank you. Welcome back to another episode of Next Week.

03:42:29

I'm Jeff Durbin. That is Luke the bear right there. Merry Christmas. Merry Christmas. You'll notice that it's

03:42:34

Christmas set right now. That's right. Very exciting at a time of year. Luke is, yeah, Luke's here. And we also have

03:42:40

Marcus King Ginger Pittman right now. Wade likes him. Wade likes you, yeah.

03:42:47

All right. So this is Marcus Pittman. He is the director, the filmmaker of Babies Are Still Murdered Here.

03:42:54

And he's a member of Apologia Church. And you guys all know who Marcus is. All right. So, all right, let's update, man.

03:43:00

Let's talk. So it's - Big news. What? Go ahead. I want more. Oh, yeah.

03:43:06

So the movie is now on Amazon Prime. All right, Amazon Prime. So that's pretty important,

03:43:13

I think, because it's going to get the movie out there to a lot of people who would have never found it, certainly not found it on YouTube, because you can't find anything on YouTube anymore.

03:43:25

Because YouTube's algorithms and everything suppresses Christian content. Suppresses anything based on words that are spoken in the film.

03:43:34

So, but now it's on Amazon Prime. And so it's got over,

03:43:41

I think we're at maybe like 200 reviews already. Are you serious? Five -star reviews, yeah. What is that, in two days? Yeah, in two days.

03:43:48

So I think that means it's going to be suggested and put out there in front of people.

03:43:55

Just imagine people just looking through the Roku and saying, oh, what's this movie about?

03:44:00

Like, that's a platform that - Especially if you're looking for some horror movies. Oh, yeah. Because it's under horror that's why it's in there.

03:44:07

That was a - Wait, wait, what? It's under horror. Yeah, it's categorized under horror movie. Why? And because Darren Doan told me not to put it under Christian stuff, because no one will watch it.

03:44:18

But if you put it under different categories that's relevant to the film, then it'll get more hits. It is horrifying, for sure.

03:44:25

And that works. Well, let's - It's under documentary horror and nonfiction. Okay, all right.

03:44:31

Well, for people who are new, most of you who are watching next week will probably know what we're talking about in the film,

03:44:37

Babies Are Still Murdered Here. But just give everyone sort of a picture of what is Babies Are Still Murdered Here. What is the film?

03:44:42

So the film is about essentially how the pro -life lobbies and organization have allowed abortion to continue for the past 46 years just by, you know, just by essentially not wanting to see abortion totally ended and not having the guts to really follow through and pass any sort of legislation with teeth.

03:45:11

It's a bold claim to say that the pro -life organizations don't want abortion ended. No. It appears methodologically.

03:45:18

Right. So what do you mean by that? Because people right now are watching this, they're saying, well, I thought you guys are pro -life. And we would say, yes, we're pro -life, but we're not with the pro -life industrial.

03:45:28

System. System. Yeah, yeah. But it's a bold claim to say that they're not trying to end it. So what do you mean?

03:45:34

Well, what does the film teach us and demonstrate to us that they're not trying ultimately to end it now?

03:45:40

Well, the film shows how they only support legislation that's politically expedient or popular.

03:45:49

Okay. So for example, with the heartbeat bills in Ohio, the citizens wanted a heartbeat bill to be passed for years.

03:46:00

And the pro -Ohio Right to Life refused and said, no, we're gonna do this other bill.

03:46:07

Here's maybe like a 20 week ban or an Infant Born Alive Act or some other form of legislation, but not the heartbeat bill.

03:46:17

But eventually the citizens of Ohio demanded a heartbeat bill and they got it passed.

03:46:22

They got it through the legislature and they got the governor to sign it and agree to it.

03:46:29

And then when the governor signed it, oh, there was a higher right to life clapping when the governor signed it.

03:46:37

Like they were a part of it. Like they were behind it. But they've been opposing it. Past few years, they've been opposing that legislation.

03:46:44

But because the citizens rose up and wanted it, suddenly they felt a need to get behind it.

03:46:50

And then a few days after that, it was signed. It was struck down in the

03:46:59

Ohio Supreme Court as unconstitutional or whatever. And then three days after that at the

03:47:07

National Right to Life Convention, they did a whole lecture on essentially how not to get behind and support heartbeat bills or these dramatic legislations to end abortion.

03:47:22

So they're mocking it. And it's interesting to me that I even found that video because it was the only video

03:47:29

National Right to Life uploaded in like the past two years. But they uploaded that within one week of that lecture at the

03:47:37

National Right. And it was the only thing from the convention they uploaded was that talk on their channel.

03:47:42

Definitely providential. We needed that to show the problem. Well, it wasn't.

03:47:47

I mean, they knew exactly why they did it. They were doing it. So the thing is, even though they're in there and they're cheering and stuff, they're not gonna put up the money and the funds to fight the courts to make that law go through.

03:48:01

They're just gonna say, see, told you. Now go back to our legislation. So what's the difference though?

03:48:08

What are you saying for the people who are saying, okay, wait, I'm confused. I thought that we were all pro -life, we're

03:48:13

Christians. And now you're saying that they're not ultimately helping. So what's the difference between their message and our message?

03:48:20

What are the two different perspectives? Well, our message is that we're not using pro -life legislation as a means to get

03:48:28

Republicans elected. So that's what the pro -life lobby's main focus is, is in Republican elections.

03:48:37

So, and they'll tell you this. Like Jim Bopp, who's the chief legal mind at National Right to Life.

03:48:47

He's the one that gave that talk. He's the one that said, don't vote for it. Don't put it. Yeah, don't put these laws.

03:48:53

He'll tell you the reason why is because if let's say a heartbeat bill would move moderate

03:49:01

Republicans to vote Democrat and then they'll lose through chain reaction

03:49:08

Supreme Court justices. So they have to go with laws that are not, that will get pro -life legislators elected, or sorry, not even pro -life legislators,

03:49:25

Republicans elected. So it doesn't matter if you're pro -life or not. And so that's their main focus.

03:49:32

And that's why they're one of the only political lobbies that I know of where the

03:49:37

GOP, the Republicans actually fund them. Because that's how strong the pro -life vote is, is that if the pro -life organizations like National Right to Life says, we endorse this guy as being pro -life, you have 50 % of the voting block that'll vote for him right away.

03:49:57

What says a lot about our ability to end abortion. Right. Actually, to really end it, is that this voting block is in such a large support.

03:50:05

It's such a strong voting block. Yeah, that's why they can only do legislation that the

03:50:12

Republicans approve of. So it becomes, it's like, it's not about ending abortion.

03:50:18

It becomes this political strategy of like how far can we push the Republicans that we've endorsed to vote on legislation and do they feel comfortable?

03:50:28

Will they lose votes? Like it's just this massive system. Well, there's two, that's a good point.

03:50:34

So talk about this. There's two examples in the last couple of years of abolitionist or criminalization bills.

03:50:41

And that's in Oklahoma and Texas. And in both cases of bills that were working to end, outright end, ban, criminalize, abolish abortion in those states.

03:50:50

Done. In both cases, it was struck down and ultimately done away with by Republican pro -life.

03:50:57

Exactly. Jeff Leach. In Texas. Yeah, Jeff Leach in Texas, most notably, who just announced his re -election campaign.

03:51:08

So yeah. So Jeff Leach, I mean, you look at, let's say,

03:51:15

Jeremiah Thomas, who was on his deathbed and he got a call from the governor and he told the governor, my dying wish is to end abortion in Texas.

03:51:25

And the governor says, okay, we're gonna do it. We're gonna put it on the platform. And then, so the

03:51:31

Texas bill, HB 896, I think it's HB 896. I just forgot the number.

03:51:36

So, well, the Texas bill comes into play. They have it before committee.

03:51:43

There are Christians come all over the country to show support. And I think they were there for eight hours until 3 a .m.

03:51:50

in the morning. They were talking about how they want this bill passed or whatever. And then there comes this point where Rusty Thomas is explaining why this bill needs to be passed.

03:52:02

And then Jeff Leach, who has already said, before this meeting started, he's gonna vote against it, talks about how much of a hero

03:52:09

Jeremiah Thomas is, that he would do this and this is for him and he's a hero and all this stuff.

03:52:17

But then he goes and just goes, yeah, well, but I'm not gonna vote for it. A bill to end abortion.

03:52:23

A bill to end abortion, he's not gonna vote for it. You had a, you know. What was the bill they passed instead?

03:52:28

It was some weak songs. It was the Infant Born Alive Act. Yep, that was it. Yeah, so it wasn't even an abortion bill, really.

03:52:33

It was just a. And that was their big win. Protect them if they're born alive. Yeah, Infant Born Alive Act. So that was the one

03:52:39

Jeff Leach got behind. The pro -life movement backed that one, rejected, obviously, the one that would end it.

03:52:47

And then. Doesn't do anything about abortion. No. Born alive, protect them while they're alive. I thought we were already doing it.

03:52:52

Yeah, right. Well, even in Arizona this last year, do you guys remember what the big pro -life win was in Arizona, the bill they passed?

03:52:59

Or maybe it was two sessions ago. Remind me, I forget. It was, they passed a law saying that if you were having an abortion, you had to essentially give the reason why.

03:53:09

Yeah. And that was what they were celebrating. Yeah, it was so. And it was like, what does that even mean?

03:53:15

Yeah, pitiful, yeah. You know, and it was like, they act like they won this big thing, and it was like, what does it even accomplish?

03:53:21

Right. They act like their victories are actual victories, but they're not.

03:53:27

So, if you follow like, for instance, like National Right to Life on Twitter, they'll share the conflicting things.

03:53:36

Like one, like this week, I retweeted something they said, because they said, abortion is never healthcare.

03:53:43

That's what they said. And so I retweeted, I was like, well, if abortion is never healthcare, why do you regulate it like healthcare?

03:53:50

Yeah. Because all the regulations on like, the size of the clinic, whether it meets medical standards, whether like, is all based on the assumption that abortion is healthcare.

03:54:02

So they're conceding Planned Parenthood's position just by, you know, Planned Parenthood doesn't care about regulation.

03:54:08

They'll fight regulations all day, but I mean, that's, I mean, every business has to fight regulations, so that's just not, that's just part of the thing for them.

03:54:17

Planned Parenthood is afraid of criminalization. Right, yeah, they don't wanna do that. And so, but see, so then when you regulate healthcare, just on that standard, if you say, well, it is healthcare, so we're gonna regulate it like healthcare.

03:54:33

Now you're giving authority for the government to regulate healthcare in general. So you've given up ground on being against government healthcare and death panels, which they say they're against death panels, but they're not, they've lost their position to even argue against death panels when they've already said, well, you can regulate some kinds of healthcare, but you can't.

03:54:58

So it just, it's just not an organization that has the logical ability to be able to actually end something like abortion.

03:55:12

Well, do you remember what Jim Bob said in that talk, specifically the one thing that stood out to me is he said that, he literally said it's a popularity contest.

03:55:23

Yeah. That was the exact word he used. And it's because they're all about, their whole push is getting a willing court, they call it.

03:55:31

Right, well. That's like the only, in their mind, the only way, and I know you have a lot to say about that, but in their mind, the only way that you can end abortion is through a willing court is he was all about, this is a popularity contest, we gotta get

03:55:43

Trump reelected. Right, so. But that's literally, his whole speech is about that. You have to get Republicans voted in the state legislature, you have to get

03:55:50

Republicans voted in Congress, in the Senate, Republican president, and then a

03:55:55

Republican majority Supreme Court, which doesn't matter, because in 1992 in Casey, Casey versus Planned Parenthood, they, it was, they had the perfect case that would challenge

03:56:14

Roe v. Wade in 1992, and they had eight Republican.

03:56:20

Appointed. Appointed Supreme Court justices, and one Democrat Supreme Court justice, and I believe the

03:56:29

Democrat actually voted in favor of overturning

03:56:34

Roe v. Wade, the Democrat appointed Supreme Court justice did, and it was the other eight, I mean, not all eight of them, but like it was, everyone that voted against overturning

03:56:44

Roe v. Wade were all the Republican, so it was like five to six or whatever, or something.

03:56:51

Ah, so we look back at Roe v. Wade itself. Yeah, exactly. Republican. All, yep, Republicans too. All Republican. Yeah, so.

03:56:57

It's not gonna help us, and you, I think what's best about these films is your first film, to my mind, instructs the church on the duty of the church to do something.

03:57:06

Yeah. And to go out and start saving lives. Yeah. That's the challenging part of part one. Part two, you do an excellent job of teaching, very seamlessly,

03:57:15

I think, teaching what are the major problems, and then also responding to some of the objections, because I think people hearing this right now are probably gonna hear what you're saying in terms of pro -life lobbies, pro -life organizations, pro -life legislation, problem, problem, problem, but they're gonna probably go, but Roe v.

03:57:31

Wade, and we need the Supreme Court, which is what the pro -life establishment says, we need the

03:57:36

Supreme Court to go pro -life so we can overturn Roe, but you address that problem, too, in the film, in terms of that's a wrong way to think about how we actually establish justice.

03:57:48

Right. The Supreme Court's not supposed to have legislative power like that. They're not the ones, according to the Constitution, that actually creates law.

03:57:54

Congress creates law. So you are really arguing in the film that this needs to be something done at the local level, where local magistrates, local communities, actually resist the tyranny of the higher magistrate, the higher court.

03:58:09

So can you talk about that a little bit? Yeah, so obviously, if you've taken a basic civics class in school, you learn there's three branches of government, executive, legislative, and judicial.

03:58:21

Supreme Court is judicial. So the Supreme Court, only over,

03:58:29

I'm sorry, the Congress is the legislative branch. So the Congress is the one that makes laws.

03:58:36

The judicial branch does not make laws. The executive branch does not make laws.

03:58:42

And we've - They're not supposed to. They're not supposed to, right. Right, there's executive orders and stuff, but that's another conversation.

03:58:49

But I think that's essentially how status our nation has become, is we look and say, well, all three branches can make laws.

03:58:56

Right. But that's not how it's supposed to be. It's supposed to be only the Congress could make laws after they both voted on it, and then the president had to approve it.

03:59:05

Now, the Supreme Court can look at a law that Congress makes and say, well, that's an unconstitutional law.

03:59:14

But then what needs to happen is another law needs to be made. But with Roe v.

03:59:19

Wade, they said, well, Roe v. Wade is unconstitutional, whatever. But there wasn't ever any law put into effect.

03:59:27

It was never made into effect. So the Supreme Court only does opinions on individual, they don't do blanket changes or transformations like that.

03:59:38

They're only ruling on that one individual case in Roe v. Wade. So go ahead, sorry.

03:59:44

Yeah, so when it comes to ignoring the Supreme Court, we see that it happens all the time.

03:59:53

The governor of New York ignored the Supreme Court by making sanctuary cities.

03:59:59

And he actually said, the governor of New York said to the local governments that you have a responsibility to essentially defy the federal government when it comes to allowing immigrants to enter into your state, and illegal immigrants to enter into your state.

04:00:13

And then they went and passed the bill for full -term abortion. Yeah, and then they went and passed the bill for full -term abortion. But then you have

04:00:18

Colorado or Washington where they defy the federal government when it comes to marijuana laws.

04:00:24

Nevada. Yeah, Nevada. So there's always states who in some way defy the federal government.

04:00:31

And there's states that defy the federal government when it comes to like gun laws and all sorts of other things.

04:00:38

So states defy the federal government all the time. And there's never even any consequences. When you had in Wisconsin, you had the

04:00:47

Fugitive Slave Act where they said, the Supreme Court said that slaves are property.

04:00:53

And if they are caught, a free slave is caught, they're to be returned back to their owner. Wisconsin said, no, and told the

04:01:01

Supreme Court to pound sand and any slave that made it to Wisconsin was free. No matter what the

04:01:06

Supreme Court said, they didn't go to war over that, nothing happened. And so that's why a lot of the founding fathers talk about the right for the states to nullify

04:01:17

Supreme Court rulings because that would be a legitimate check and balance on that.

04:01:27

It's a very Christian system in terms of accountability, division of powers.

04:01:35

It's a form of resistance to tyranny or the potential to tyranny. But the amazing thing with the sinful heart of man is that even with all of these checks and balances and a desire to resist tyrannical oppressive regimes, we're facing that today, not because the regime actually has the power, it's because we're so ignorant.

04:01:57

Like we're a nation that has been indoctrinated in such a way as we don't understand our history, we don't understand how our laws work, none of those things.

04:02:06

I mean, you've got people now, it's crazy. You have like these videos where they go do interviews on the street, I saw one yesterday, where they were going on the street and they were like, just asking basic questions about life.

04:02:16

Everyone's supposed to know this stuff. They walked with the random people on the boulevard and they were like, how many days does it take for the earth to go around the sun?

04:02:28

And people were like, this girl was like, 24. And it was just like, wow.

04:02:36

They're voting. She's voting. Probably if she can make her way to the place where she votes.

04:02:43

So that's the problem, is we don't know the strength that we have legally.

04:02:49

So for example, we've said, we've all gone, the three of us have gone to the

04:02:54

Phoenix legislature to go into demand justice. And we've told them, it's illegal right now in Arizona to have an abortion.

04:03:04

Like AZ Statute 13 -3603 is the law in our books. Amazing thing. It's never been taken away.

04:03:11

It's never been changed. The amazing thing is that only, stuff has only been added to it to strengthen it. From the pro -life organizations.

04:03:18

But the amazing thing is, the pro -life organizations are adding stuff to a law that says it's already illegal.

04:03:25

And it's like, just point to the law. It says it's already illegal. No additions necessary.

04:03:30

It's just illegal. I think you could add an addition in terms of criminalization and penalty to it.

04:03:35

That would help a little better, strengthen it, boost it. But right now, it is illegal in Arizona to have an abortion.

04:03:43

It's illegal in Texas to have an abortion. According to Texas state law and Arizona state law, it's illegal in Idaho right now to have an abortion.

04:03:49

According to Idaho state law. So you have three states right there that it's technically right now, currently illegal.

04:03:55

You could seriously just point to it tomorrow in the legislature and say, we're going to uphold that. But the problem is, is we've got people who have been indoctrinated to think that the

04:04:04

Supreme Court makes laws and that all these things are ultimately in control. Yeah. Why are you smiling?

04:04:12

No. Do you think it's something funny? Well, I was just going to. No, I'm good. I was just going to say,

04:04:17

I think that we talked about this the last show we did, but it's just cowardice. People are literally afraid of the federal abuse.

04:04:24

And I don't know what's so funny, but let's just be honest. It's all about money.

04:04:30

Right. Because the real fear with these states, when say

04:04:35

Texas, where you have this, he's still laughing. What is he doing? I don't know. You have these - What is it,

04:04:41

Marcus? He's going to cut for a minute. Okay. We'll have to cut and come back.

04:04:46

I don't know why, but like that Eric Swalwell fart gate, just like while we're on camera. Do you remember that?

04:04:51

No. No. I don't see that. It just like popped in my head while I was doing it. Oh, I see.

04:04:58

I thought you were yawning. No. I was thinking, I was like, that's like a 20 second yawn.

04:05:04

Did you see it? No. Y 'all didn't see it? Fart gate? Is that what you - Did y 'all see it? Yeah. Okay. By the way, we're keeping all of this in.

04:05:11

There's no cut. He's on the, he's being interviewed. Wait, why'd you want to cut? This is good show content.

04:05:19

This is gold. No, no, go ahead. This is gold. I want to hear about it now. Eric, okay. Eric Swalwell, he's a presidential candidate.

04:05:25

He's being interviewed on MSNBC and he farts right in the middle of it. For real? Yeah, for real. For real?

04:05:30

Yeah, for real. I did not see that. Wait, is this a real, is this video, is the video available? Oh yeah.

04:05:36

Okay. We're going to cut to that right now. It's going to be in this. Ready? And - Chris, so far, the evidence is uncontradicted that the president used taxpayer dollars to ask the

04:05:45

Ukrainians to help him cheat in an election. And the complaint that I've heard from Republicans all last week was that you don't have anyone who heard the call.

04:05:53

Oh my God. Oh, that's hilarious. That's just been - I don't know why you would ever ask us to cut from that.

04:05:58

We, this is - Have you been gone that long? Wait, okay. What did we, what did we say when we were talking about this that made you think of that?

04:06:06

Because all I see is Marcus all of a sudden go. No, it's just that I was being interviewed at the time.

04:06:12

And I was thinking of him being interviewed at the time. Were you afraid you were going to fart? Is that why? I talked about it once and I was like, oh.

04:06:18

I don't even remember what we were talking about. Well, I think I showed it to Carmen before. Oh, okay. All right. All right, Luke, you were asking. So we were talking about how they're afraid of the money.

04:06:27

And so ultimately the problem in Texas, their concern is if we were to actually pass and uphold this righteous law, which they know is a righteous law.

04:06:44

I'm sorry. I'm just trying to hold it. Oh my gosh.

04:06:49

Okay, sorry. I know, I'm sorry. I wish it was Jeff Leach that did that.

04:06:56

I'm sorry, I'm sorry. No, it's fine. The problem is they're like, well, the federal government is going to take our funding.

04:07:04

Our funding. I'm sorry, okay. This is good. Okay, take a breath.

04:07:11

Okay, come back. Okay, I'm gonna just focus. I think we were wanting to raise money for EAN for 2020 in this episode.

04:07:18

No, that's okay. No, so yeah, it's funding. It's about the funding, not the farting.

04:07:24

Okay, oh man. So they don't want to lose the money. Right. And they're like, well, if we do this, then the government's going to take their money from us.

04:07:30

And that's what it boils down to. Yeah. So a lot of money involved. I wanted to talk about that because that's a huge factor for us is when we first started

04:07:40

End Abortion Now, we didn't have any money. Zero. And zero. We knew we had this grand project ahead of us, a huge need.

04:07:50

This was serious. The churches all need to get involved in this, but we didn't have any ability to do it. So what'd we do? We came up with like the most basic nuts and bolts budget.

04:07:58

Right. Luke and I didn't get paid. Right. Because that's not what it was about.

04:08:05

It was about the need to get churches now equipped to go do the work. We didn't have any money.

04:08:11

So we raised a small budget. What was the first year's budget? 250, I think. No, it wasn't that for the first year, was it?

04:08:17

Was it? Yeah. Okay. So the first year budget, local church gets involved and starts equipping other churches.

04:08:24

Yeah. $250 ,000. And I don't even know how many hundreds, was it 200 first year? 200 churches?

04:08:29

I think so. Like 200, somewhere around there. Those churches now have saved thousands and thousands of lives.

04:08:36

And so each year we've gone up incrementally just because of the need. More churches, more need, more media.

04:08:42

But the effect of it all is the amount of budget that was needed to do the damage, the righteous damage that was caused through End Abortion Now was so tiny.

04:08:55

You know what you haven't seen the pro -life movement actually developing? Developing a community of people that actually go to the legislature and start actually demanding justice and to end it now.

04:09:06

No, because they want to control that. Right. So that's where the power is. So for them, the power's up at the top.

04:09:14

Right. So the people like Carol Tobias and all the leaders that they give awards to, like that's where their power is.

04:09:24

Whereas what we're saying is the power isn't in our top lobbyists.

04:09:31

Our organization. Our organization. The power is in your local church. We the people. Yeah, your local church and the people going out and sharing the gospel either at the abortion clinic or to the city legislator.

04:09:45

So that's like, actually, I would say that End Abortion Now is cancer to what they're doing.

04:09:51

Because it's decentralizing what they're doing. That's a good way to say that. Yeah, because they're saying, the pro -life lobbies are saying, we need to form a big army.

04:10:05

We need to come together. And then all of you guys need to do what we tell you. We'll lead it. Yeah, we'll lead it.

04:10:11

We'll be the face. We have the ear of the president. We have the ear of all these people.

04:10:16

And what we're saying is, don't worry about the people at the top.

04:10:22

You guys just pay attention and do what's in your local city. And then like that, anytime

04:10:32

Christianity has decentralized something, it's changed the world. So like printing press, medicine, as Christianity has always decentralized things.

04:10:46

So that's one of the principles of economics that Christianity is so good at. And so when you can sit there and take the decentralization of lobbying and say, no, no, no, just have the church do it, have the church go to their city councils, have the church get involved in state legislator, state laws.

04:11:07

And as Vati Bakum says, and babies are still murdered here, he says, the reason we always look to what the president of the

04:11:16

Supreme Court says is because we're statists. And we've just embraced statism and think that all the power is there.

04:11:24

And then, and he says, what we need is a sheriff that can look at something the federal government does and says, not in my county.

04:11:32

Yes. So like, that's like, that I think sums up is that exactly what we want to do.

04:11:39

And I think if, I mean, there's 400 churches already, right?

04:11:45

More than that, four. Close to 450. Yeah, 450. That's a lot. It's a lot.

04:11:51

That can do a lot of damage to a centralized power. Yeah. And so once, you know,

04:11:58

I mean, and the more of that we have, the more churches that we have are eventually,

04:12:05

I think you'll see that the pro -life organizations are just drowned out by the work that we're doing and no one is going to pay attention.

04:12:15

And the thing with us, too, is all of those little mini movements in their communities are all privately governed, privately funded by those local churches.

04:12:24

Right. And what's interesting, too, is that what we were able to accomplish by God's grace and through God's people being so sacrificial is that all these churches that have received training from And Abortion Now and resources and can now communicate to one another, literally moment by moment worldwide through the app that was created, all of that came at zero cost to those churches.

04:12:49

We did not ask them for a penny. Right. That's significant. Yeah. Is that we've trusted the

04:12:56

Lord to give through his people sacrificially, to bless these churches and help them. Yeah.

04:13:01

We didn't say here's a kit and now can you cough up some money for our organization?

04:13:08

What we're saying is no, we're a local church that's trying to equip and train other local churches. We're just a church.

04:13:13

Yeah. I'm a local church. We're pastors and this is a mission of the church. And look what happened.

04:13:18

I mean, you highlight it in your film, Marcus. You highlight how you had pastors and just members of churches going to their local legislatures, children demanding justice for the pre -born and an immediate end to abortion in sanctuary cities.

04:13:34

All that happened because local churches started getting involved. Yeah. And you'd say, like you said, decentralization, take the power away from the pro -life industry.

04:13:40

Yeah. Well, see, that's how you know a movement is gaining speed.

04:13:47

So there's also a bad form of decentralization when, for example, the regulations on the pro -life on abortion clinics are causing the decentralization of abortion pills.

04:14:06

So like you have, you know, like RE -486 and the morning after pills are becoming easier and easier to get. And then the pro -life lobbies are looking and saying, well, look guys, the abortion numbers at clinics are down, but they're not saying, you know, that the abortion bills are, it'd be like me saying, look guys, nobody takes a taxicab anymore.

04:14:25

We did it. We ended the taxicab industry. And you go, no, more people are taking Uber and Lyft now more than ever took a taxicab.

04:14:32

I never took a taxicab, but I've taken hundreds of Lyfts in my lifetime. So it wouldn't be wise for me to say, see the regulations on the taxicab industry, the need to have a medallion has really, you know, stopped, you know, the amount of traffic on the streets in New York.

04:14:51

Well, no, it has increased it. Yeah. And so. That's interesting. Yeah. So that's with any business, any business when something is regulated, highly regulated, you know, it's like in Jurassic Park when

04:15:06

Goldblum, Jeff Goldblum says, nature will find a way.

04:15:12

Yeah. Like that's how capitalism works through regulation. It'll be like water and it'll find the path of least resistance.

04:15:19

And then before you know it, you've got a whole nother waterfall on your hand that's completely unregulated. Happened with smoking industry.

04:15:26

Smoking industry regulated themselves as a means to keep competition out.

04:15:32

And then vaping started and it was completely unregulated. And so it just blew up.

04:15:39

And so that's just how it happens over and over and over again. And so if we can get through a decentralized form of political lobbying through the local church, then you'll see that the pro -life lobbies, the national pro -life lobby will be less and less effective.

04:16:03

I was gonna say, this really is a grassroots movement. We were just talking about today, I think, right? Someone had messaged us and they were saying they watched what, a quarter of the film and they were like, it completely turned my whole view on this upside down.

04:16:15

They didn't even finish the film. And I was like, you have to get your pro -life friends and family to watch it.

04:16:20

You have to share this and that's how this works. It's completely grassroots. Share this with everyone that you know of that's gonna be affected by this.

04:16:27

That's the great thing. It's a great thing about this idea we have of like platforming.

04:16:34

We don't wanna talk about someone because we don't wanna get like, National Right to Life doesn't want to publicly talk about an abortion now.

04:16:43

We know from experience that they've shut us out of conversations. They said we're not pro -life, we're crazy.

04:16:52

Right, so, but the great thing about that is that just means there's no competition because they're not addressing the issues that we're bringing up.

04:17:03

They're just ignoring us. Well, this happened with Sega versus Nintendo, right? Nintendo wanted to pretend that Sega wasn't a threat to them in the 90s and they just completely ignored them.

04:17:15

And then by the time they had to respond to them, Sega had like half the retail space in Toys R Us. Wow. So like that's just, the de -platforming thing doesn't work.

04:17:24

So now they're in a tough situation where they have to decide, do we talk about them?

04:17:31

Do we not? Do we continue to ignore them? And like, if they come at us now, like, you know, that'd be great.

04:17:38

Yeah. But that's just the situation they've put themselves in. And so, which is great, but also they can't really address end abortion now because there's so many churches involved.

04:17:51

You know, like who are they talking about? Right. You know, so they're talking about the entire Protestant Reformed Church. Right, we're talking about a biblical view of this issue.

04:17:59

Right. So that's what you really have to come after. Right. It's not end abortion now. It's not the personalities. It's just Christians.

04:18:06

Yeah, right. That's a good point. Exactly. So they're in a tough spot. Yep, yep, you're gonna have to come because what are you gonna, let's start the conversation and we can probably end it here.

04:18:14

It's how the film begins with John Speed. Like, why did they ignore the first film? Because John says we were talking about abortion in terms of it being murder and that people need to come to Christ in the issue.

04:18:27

And I think that that's one of the first topics of conversation that's gonna come up if they finally address this.

04:18:32

And they're ultimately gonna have to at some point because of what God is doing through his church. The main thing you're gonna have to address there is that first point.

04:18:40

Yeah. Is this murder? Yeah. And that's the, babies are still murdered here.

04:18:45

That's the distinction. Is that this is a biblical perspective because murder according to scripture and law is the unjustified killing of a human being with malice of forethought.

04:18:54

That's murder. And that's what's happening at abortion clinics every single day across this country. And the people who are engaging it are the moms and dads with malice of forethought killing a human being and it's unjustified.

04:19:07

And that's what's happening. And that's the industry itself and the pro -life movement won't ultimately acknowledge it. And that's what we say has to be acknowledged.

04:19:14

And that has to be legislated against on the basis of it being murder. But then you have the ERLC who just posted an article.

04:19:22

I don't know if you saw it. Did you see it? Came out yesterday. No. Where they try to argue presuppositionally that because women know their sin, they know they're sinners, that we shouldn't address abortion as murder because they're already aware and they're creating the image of God have knowledge of sin.

04:19:45

Therefore, we just don't need to mention that it's murder. We just need to treat it just like any, which by the way, the

04:19:53

ERLC would not do. They would not treat abortion that way.

04:19:59

The way they treat abortion in that way, they wouldn't do with child predators in the church or racism.

04:20:05

Like they wanna be very outspoken and loud about that. But when it comes to women who've had abortions, it's like, well, they already know.

04:20:14

Romans one. Yeah, you gotta read that article if you haven't. Oh, I gotta read it. That sounds terrible. I won't make any comments until I read it.

04:20:21

All right, so we need everyone to watch the film, review the film and give stars and reviews for on Amazon Prime.

04:20:30

It's okay to do now? Yeah, just make sure you watch it, actually watch it because Amazon's commenting review system is like incredibly complex.

04:20:38

I'm learning like they, somebody was telling me they can tell based on if your Facebook account is connected to Amazon, if you're friends with the person who published it.

04:20:49

Interesting. Really? Yeah, so they just, that's why there was all these people saying, oh, my review's not coming through.

04:20:55

Yeah, so just make sure you actually watch it and then review it and then. Just play it all through. Yeah, just play it all through.

04:21:02

Also watch it on YouTube, which it's already basically stifled on YouTube because the algorithm, it's somewhere around 40 or 50 ,000.

04:21:09

Facebook is 200 ,000 maybe, somewhere around there. I think Amazon's going to blow through that. Amazon's the thing where it's gonna be seen globally,

04:21:15

I think, effectively. So everyone needs to see it, share it, sit down, do a Bible study, add a Bible study with the friends, go over it together, fellowship, have dinner together with Christian friends and your church members and watch it together.

04:21:26

Play it for your churches. Play it for your church. Pastors, play it for your churches. Send it to your local legislators, too. Yes, send a link to your local legislators.

04:21:33

That's very good, yes. So endabortionnow .com is where you guys can go to get more. We actually have a brand new website.

04:21:39

Which is awesome. Which is amazing. Good job, Tim. More's gonna be done next year in 2020. So in 2020, we have a whole new year ahead of us where it's now next stage.

04:21:48

Every year, it's been building steps. Next stage, next stage, next stage. 2020, big year for us.

04:21:53

Next stage. And this is where we really have to begin implementing the whole thing. The first year, you and I did this.

04:21:59

When we started talking about game plan, we're like putting everything together. And we're like, it has to be this stage, this stage, this stage.

04:22:04

And we were talking about how that would look. It took some time to build all that. Well, now all that's in there. In terms of the church, getting to the abortion mills, the media, the legislature, that whole thing, that trifecta thing.

04:22:16

It's ready to go. That was all ready, it's all ready to go now. So 2020 now is the first year where now it's like, this is full implementation now.

04:22:23

Let's do this, let's finally end abortion. And I believe we can do it. I think 2020 could be a year where actually there's gonna be a state, there can be a state that'll ultimately criminalize and abolish, end abortion in their state.

04:22:35

It's possible to do, but it'll take the church to do it. And we're in it, we're in it to do it. And we're in it to help the church.

04:22:41

So go to endabortionnow .com, sign your church up there, get all the free training and resources. But more importantly,

04:22:47

I think, in light of all that we've said, go to endabortionnow .com and give, give towards 2020, give towards all of the work that we're doing to pour into churches, to raise churches up, to give them all their training, all their equipping, give towards the work of all the media.

04:23:04

People don't realize, I think, like, okay, I don't wanna extend this conversation, but I was just talking to Matt DeJesus the other day.

04:23:11

He just got back from New York City where he did a project with HBO. They're doing a project on AI and all those different things.

04:23:18

And he was the Christian commentator. And there's some big names. Some big names, big names.

04:23:23

It's a huge project they've been working on for two years, apparently. But I got worried about what some of the numbers were.

04:23:30

It was 30 ,000 a day just to rent the studio. For two years.

04:23:36

$30 ,000 a day to rent the, well, to for Matt DeJesus, the studio stuff, they were doing $30 ,000 a day for the studio rental.

04:23:44

People, I think, don't understand that in order to produce a film like we've done, there's a lot of cost involved, a tremendous amount of cost involved.

04:23:55

But they also need to realize, I think, hopefully they'll realize the impact of that film is completely global transforming.

04:24:06

It is truly globally transforming. And I want everyone to hear this. Peanuts. Peanuts compared to the budgets of these major pro -life organizations,

04:24:18

Peanuts. We've been able to accomplish as a local church what has been devastating to the industry and what has saved thousands of lives.

04:24:28

And we've done it with Peanuts. And it's because Christians have been faithful over the last couple of years to give towards, at the end of every year, we do a fundraising thing for the next year's labor.

04:24:38

And every year, Christians have been faithful to give towards this work. I think 2020 is an election year.

04:24:45

I think something that End Abortion Now is doing, our goal of ours should be to have something that we're doing to be a topic of debate in the presidential elections this year.

04:24:57

I think we have 400 churches. I think we can do something pretty significant that'll force a presidential debate.

04:25:04

A decision. Yeah. A decision. Let's do that together. So if you go to endabortionnow .com, you guys can give towards that.

04:25:10

You can do it right now. Give towards the labor, the work, the ministry of 2020. Marcus is with us, and he's gonna be helping build content for us and meet all the work we're doing for End Abortion Now in 2020.

04:25:22

We're together, the team is together, and we're laboring together as Christians in the context of the gospel, as a local church.

04:25:29

You can partner with us by giving at endabortionnow .com. And just go there, check out the site, and especially go and sign your church up for End Abortion Now to start saving lives.

04:25:40

It's the most important ministry, I think, that we have as a church. And I think that, well,

04:25:48

I know that it's only possible through you. And so thank you guys. That's Luke the Bear. Happy New Year to you in jail.

04:25:53

That's right, that's King Ginger. Going home, they're waiting for you. I thought you were gonna say that. I'm Jeff Durbin. Thank you guys for watching the next week. Merry Christmas, everybody.

04:25:59

Merry Christmas. All right. Hi, I'm Jeff Durbin with Apologia Church and End Abortion Now.

04:26:07

Just a few short years ago, God called us to start End Abortion Now. End Abortion Now at the very beginning was just Apologia Church trying to equip local churches across the

04:26:18

United States to start abortion mill ministries to save children's lives. We wanted to create a ministry that was a gospel -centered ministry based upon scripture, the word of God, that was coming out of local churches to once and for all end abortion.

04:26:34

We also wanted to actually begin a cultural movement to bring the light of the gospel into the conversation of abortion.

04:26:43

We knew we needed to do that through media. We wanted to actually inundate platforms globally with millions and millions of views with a focus on the gospel itself in conflict with abortion.

04:26:56

We also wanted to begin the process of raising up these local churches to bring the gospel to their local legislatures.

04:27:03

Since we began, since you started this ministry with us years ago, since you gave towards this ministry, since you participated with us in this ministry,

04:27:13

God has raised up almost 500 local churches globally. The amazing thing to us is that these local churches were not only starting this ministry to save lives, to use the gospel, and to work towards an immediate end of abortion in the

04:27:28

United States of America but at this point we have churches that are doing this in Australia, New Zealand, all over North America.

04:27:35

That's the United States and Canada and even now in Ireland itself. Through your participation with End Abortion Now, God has saved literally thousands of children from death.

04:27:47

At this point, we have no ability to count how many babies are being saved. I wanna give you an update about 2019.

04:27:55

Many of you guys partnered with us, you prayed with us, you gave towards 2019 in our ministry and mission and what

04:28:01

God has done has been absolutely incredible. Not only have we been able to save thousands of children from death and not only have we raised up just so many local churches globally to bring the gospel to their local abortion mills and to demand an immediate end to abortion, we were able to once again spread the message of the gospel in conflict with abortion through media around the globe.

04:28:22

We did this through regular platforms like Facebook and YouTube and we were of course able to actually produce the documentary

04:28:29

Babies Are Still Murdered Here with Marcus Pittman. Not only did Babies Are Still Murdered Here break all the records of the last film, but Babies Are Still Murdered Here is available on YouTube and Facebook and Amazon Prime.

04:28:43

This film is being seen globally and what this film does is it actually communicates the gospel itself in conflict with abortion and it demonstrates the failures of the pro -life movements to work consistently to once and for all criminalize, end and abolish abortion.

04:29:00

Through your partnership with End Abortion Now in 2019, you were able to be a part of what God started through this movement and that is local churches going to their local legislatures, demanding an immediate end to abortion, preaching the good news of Jesus Christ to their local legislatures and demanding an immediate end to abortion in their cities, in their towns, in their states.

04:29:22

You were a part of that, you helped to make that happen. This happened across the United States of America and it was everybody from pastors to little children demanding an immediate end to abortion in their cities.

04:29:33

You helped to start that movement to bring Christians to their legislatures to demand the criminalization, the end, the abolishment of abortion in the

04:29:42

United States of America. Through your partnership in 2019, you helped us to equip and to send out kits to local churches across the

04:29:51

United States of America to train those churches and you were able to help us so that we were doing this completely for free for those churches, it was no cost whatsoever to them.

04:30:01

You also helped us through your partnership to actually begin a platform where all of these local churches can communicate with one another minute by minute to coordinate, to bring the good news into their cities, into their towns, into their states.

04:30:16

You also helped us to produce content that would equip these churches to begin their own media ministry so that we could begin the transformation of the culture with the light of the gospel across all social media platforms.

04:30:28

In 2019, all of this work began because you were a part of it with us at the beginning of the year.

04:30:33

And we wanna say thank you for everything you did with us in 2019. We're grateful to God for all that he's done and truly this thing is just beginning.

04:30:42

In 2020, we have a very big year ahead of us. Now that all the pieces are in place, now that we've actually raised up nearly 500 local churches to do this movement with us, now that we've been able to equip these churches completely for free, now that they're out saving thousands of lives, and now that Christians are beginning the process of speaking to their legislatures with a message of the gospel demanding an immediate end to abortion, and now that we are flooding the media with the content of the gospel in conflict with abortion, we're ready to have 2020 be the first year.

04:31:18

We pray that there would be sanctuary cities and an end of abortion in cities, states, and in this nation.

04:31:25

That's what we're working towards in 2020. All of the platforms have been laid down. All of the foundations are there.

04:31:31

2020 is the year where God willing, we are hoping to raise up so many more churches to begin this work with us to save thousands more lives, but also to work together as a team of all of those churches to once and for all end, criminalize, and abolish abortion in our nation.

04:31:50

Because you joined together with us, because you served alongside of us, and because you partnered with us in ministry, you made all of this possible.

04:31:59

All of the thousands of children that are alive today because of Christians going out to preach the gospel in this issue, they're alive today because of your work together with us.

04:32:08

So we're humbled by it, we're grateful for it, and we wanna ask you, whether you've participated with us before or not, to prayerfully consider giving towards this work for 2020, to end abortion, to criminalize it once and for all, and to do it as Christians.

04:32:26

Help us in 2020 to once and for all end this.

04:32:32

Help us to shut these places down and help us to do it with the message of the gospel.

04:35:25

All right, guys, welcome back to Next Week with Jeff Durbin. I'm Jeff Durbin, they call me the Ninja. That's Luke the Bear right there.

04:35:30

What up? What's up, Joy the Girl. Hello. And that is Zach Conover. He is the Director of Communications for End Abortion Now, and he has, of course, the biggest cup of all of us.

04:35:40

Yes, sir. This is a pride issue for you. You came on the show, you decided you had to have a bigger cup. Is that where you store my hamburgers?

04:35:45

Uh, my fries? No, actually, this is a good job of keeping me hydrated. That's all.

04:35:50

Oh, right on. Nothing special. Okay, all right. It looks normal in my hands. A lot of stuff been happening lately.

04:35:57

You recently got back from the island of Kauai and doing a mission in Kauai. How was that? Man, I mean, where do you even begin?

04:36:05

Kauai is such a unique place. Honestly, people just don't realize what it's like to try and engage people there, what the culture's like, how different it is, how difficult it is.

04:36:16

So, to be a part of the church plant there, to go there to preach, to offer support to the team, and then just to come into conflict with a high concentration of a lot of spiritual stuff going on in that region.

04:36:29

A lot of occultism. Occultism. Cult. All the cults are just in a highly concentrated area, so it makes for interesting outreaches, a lot of conflict.

04:36:40

You feel like the scriptures really come to life in a lot of ways that you haven't experienced before.

04:36:45

So, that was encouraging after the initial shock of coming into contact with that, dark things going on there, but after you realize what's happening, go back to the word of God, find out that without conflict,

04:36:59

I mean, there's no growth, but there's a level of confirmation within your calling as a

04:37:06

Christian when you come up against that, and you meet that, and you're there with the word of God, and God supplies the power by his spirit to work through you.

04:37:14

So, that's what I feel like he did in a big, big way for us. So, we're very excited about what God's doing. So, we lost you for about three weeks to send you on that mission to do work, and it's very, very hard to do that mission out there.

04:37:24

Very, very hard. It's exhausting. And so, you're back now, but a lot's been happening since you've been away across the country with what we're doing with End Abortion Now.

04:37:32

The whole focus of next week with Jeff Durbin, this show is obviously to engage cultural issues, but the bottom line and foundation of this show, and the purpose of it, is to really engage the issue of abortion in a meaningful way, and to bring all of you with us.

04:37:47

Right now, we have over 300 churches. We have approximately 328 local churches.

04:37:52

328 local churches. How many have we added since January? A lot, yes. We've had a ginormous push this year alone, and obviously, there's some things surrounding that, events,

04:38:04

End Abortion Now, Babies Are Murdered here, kind of getting into the mainstream conversation with things from friends that have just taken bold stands in getting it out there.

04:38:12

Now, we're seeing a lot, and it's from all over. It's not from any one area. I mean, all over the

04:38:17

United States, more churches from Australia. Awesome Praise God moment. While we're on Kauai, I got a word that End Abortion Now and the message made it to South Africa.

04:38:28

And so, South Africa, I mean, all these different places outside of just our sphere. Was there a save in South Africa?

04:38:33

Yes, there was two children saved. Two children saved in South Africa. As a result of that, and I have the same people emailing me today saying, hey, what kind of equipment do you use out there?

04:38:42

Can you help us with materials? What kind of microphone do you use? Do you guys use cameras? Send us that, we wanna know. Other people emailing us stuff about, hey, we wanna begin the process of capturing the footage out there.

04:38:53

What material, what equipment do you use? And by the way, now that you're on that subject, I want everyone to know right now, a very important thing.

04:38:59

We know that it has to be more than Apology of Church engaged in this cultural conversation with the gospel. It has to be the Church of Jesus Christ encompassing local churches across the world.

04:39:08

And so what we felt led to do was to equip churches and get them ready for this fight to do what we're doing.

04:39:14

Both, I'd say at the Abortion Mill in the cultural conversation at large in the public square online with media ministry developed by these churches themselves and to engage at the legislature itself.

04:39:26

So one of the things that we promise for this year that is underway right now is that we are developing a curriculum that is gonna be made available to all of our churches that are connected to us to actually help you to develop and create your own media ministry, just like Apology of Church.

04:39:41

This isn't about us. We are one spoke in the wheel and we are trying to get more spokes involved and turn that wheel.

04:39:49

But it's interesting. So we're gonna do that and make sure that's available to all the churches. So you go to endabortionnow .com, get connected with your church.

04:39:55

I wanted to say this quickly. We're not talking about 328 Christians across the country. We're talking about 328 local churches who are committed now to go and save lives and to follow under the banner of the gospel in conflict with abortion, the gospel.

04:40:10

Not pro -life narrative, not neutrality, but the Christian message in conflict with abortion.

04:40:15

That's what this is all about. But what is awesome too is it wasn't just South Africa. We also got a message from Northern Ireland that people who are connected to end abortion now had to save in Northern Ireland.

04:40:27

No, Southern Ireland. Southern Ireland. And then I just got a message before the show started from a Christian in Australia who now his church is engaged in this.

04:40:35

And he messaged me and said, hey, can you do a quick video to talk to my church? I'm gonna present it to my whole church on Sunday. So this is literally becoming a worldwide movement of the gospel in conflict with abortion.

04:40:44

So you can do that right now. That's what we're here to talk about today and some more stuff. Well, let's go ahead and do some other things, some current events stuff.

04:40:51

What's up? Well, this is directly related to abortion. So this is a story I just saw today.

04:40:58

So the Democratic -led states are going to sue

04:41:03

Donald Trump for blocking funds to Planned Parenthood. I don't know if you guys saw that. That's incredible.

04:41:09

Washington, Oregon, Connecticut, New York, and California. So whatever, they're ridiculous.

04:41:18

But you know. You're going after their sacred rights. Yeah, exactly. But there was specifically one quote

04:41:24

I wanted to share that was crazy to me. So this was from Amanda Skinner, who's the president of Planned Parenthood of Southern New England.

04:41:35

It's quite the title. So she said, we have seen repeated efforts on the part of this administration to dismantle programs or put into place programs that harm people who are already the most marginalized in our society.

04:41:52

So of course, after answering that question, she then returned to work dismantling and harming the most marginalized people in our society.

04:41:59

Yeah, right, right, right. So that's, I mean, that's what we're up against. I just, when I just saw it today, I was like, that's crazy.

04:42:05

So it's interesting. We're in the middle of a very, it's a hot moment.

04:42:11

Hotter than normal in terms of abortion in our country and the conflict that is going on to save the preborn.

04:42:19

With what happened in New York and Governor Cuomo saying, no, you can kill them all the way up to birth. Now, of course, we would say to those pro -lifers that are saying, oh my goodness, how dare you?

04:42:30

What are you thinking? We would say, well, what's the difference, friends, between the 40 and the 25 and the 20 and everything? We're talking about human beings here.

04:42:36

So why are you so up in arms? This is just consistency. We should already be horrified. We should already be horrified and be just as upset.

04:42:43

We should have been the whole time. But I'm grateful that your eyes are now shot. Yes. My hope is that God's using this next level of judgment to light a fire under the church and our culture to actually be outraged.

04:43:01

Because like you said, we, as a whole, haven't been that outraged. Well, it's really interesting, too. People can say how horrible

04:43:10

New York is, and it is. It's evil. It's awful. How dare they do such a thing? And it exposes that this is what they were going for all along.

04:43:17

They were never neutral. This is what they wanted the whole time. But in terms of God and his providence, even in the midst of evil,

04:43:24

God causes all things to work together for good. And just in us and what's happening with us, when that all happened with Governor Cuomo and everything happening with John Speed closing his store in New York City and all the hubbub around that going around the country and all the major talk shows talking about that, we saw a massive push at end abortion now of local churches signing up.

04:43:46

Over 50 probably signed up since New York, or about 50? Yeah, I think within,

04:43:52

I mean, there was a time when I was just checking emails in Kauai, going through that, and I realized,

04:43:58

I said, I asked myself the question, well, how many churches have we had in the last week? And I just checked to see how many. It was about 15 within the span of one week.

04:44:05

And so just an unbelievable gravitational shift. And these are excited people.

04:44:10

These are local churches, pastors, if not pastors, those under the care of their shepherds, really desiring to have a gospel -centered answer to this great evil of our day.

04:44:22

So for us to be able to supply that to them is just humbling in so many ways that we have been used by God and His grace as a conduit now to plug in people to resources, training, gospel -centered mindset to do this.

04:44:38

You mentioned New York. You mentioned the horror of what the Democratic Party has done, and really, it reveals that this was their plan all along.

04:44:46

This was their mindset all along. But on the other side of the coin, it becomes incumbent upon us as Christians to maintain a level of consistency towards the other side of the aisle, the party that needs to be defined by the very values that they proclaim to have, which is the

04:45:02

Christian Conservative Party, the Republican Party, right? So while their proclamation may be

04:45:08

Christian conservative with what they're saying, being consistent in pro -life action is another thing altogether.

04:45:18

And so that only happens if you have the biblical world at your feet informing your mindset of this because life beginning at conception, image of God, all that exists because of the

04:45:30

Christian worldview. And so it's up to us to be outraged completely at that astounding evil decree that you can kill a baby up to term, right?

04:45:40

That's astoundingly evil. But we have to be as hard, if not more hard, on the party that has been silent in the face of this injustice and has not acted consistently to bring it to an end.

04:45:55

So with that, we talk about the issue of Oklahoma. I just got back from Oklahoma. There's a Bill SB13 in Oklahoma put in by Senator Joseph Silk, it's an abolition bill.

04:46:05

It's a bill to abolish, to end, to criminalize, once and for all, consistency, no abortion, period.

04:46:12

You cannot do it. That's the human being. That's the image of God. You cannot murder a human being. You cannot take the life unjustly of another human being.

04:46:19

So it's a consistent bill, SB13. And the interesting thing is, is that in Oklahoma, it's a big time pro -life legislature and state and the greatest enemy, the greatest enemy to SB13 in Oklahoma right now is not the pro -choicers.

04:46:37

The greatest enemy to SB13 in Oklahoma is Senator Smalley and men like him.

04:46:44

Tony Lounger. Who actually are, Tony Lounger, the Vice President of National Right to Life, who are working against this bill that would criminalize abortion.

04:46:53

They're saying, no, you don't pass that. And they wanna work towards more incremental legislation and they wanna say, let's try to get

04:46:59

Roe v. Wade to fall, which is a perverse way of looking at the law in the first place, not how our country works.

04:47:04

Our founding documents say that it's Congress that creates law, not the Supreme Court. And so what we've done is we've yielded to this really perverse view of law, perspective of law that isn't consistent with the

04:47:16

Constitution. And that's what they're saying is that we can't have SB13 because the Supreme Court.

04:47:22

We're fearful of these Supreme Court judges. Yeah, and I hope people hear that and they're genuinely shocked that it's the pro -life party that's inhibiting this from going through.

04:47:33

I hope when people hear that, it genuinely shocks you because then we begin to wake up and see where the true compromise has been in this and what has kept abortion legal for the last 46 years.

04:47:47

Obviously, we know that those who hate God, love death, are gonna push their agenda.

04:47:53

We understand that. But to the side that is left with defending the pre -born and that ought to be doing something about it, to hear that they're actually standing against the very thing that would stop it in that state, that should jar us to the core and indicate in our minds that something's wrong.

04:48:09

Something's wrong about how we've approached this issue, how we fought it consistently as Christians, and what are we doing?

04:48:15

And we need to do something different fast. I was gonna say that really, if you consider, like, so consider that the reason we're so horrified that a baby can be killed full -term now is that in our minds always, we've had things like 16 weeks, heartbeat bill, this and this, blah, blah, blah.

04:48:39

So the point is babies have been dying the whole time, but the reason why it's shocking us now is because pro -lifers have been putting legislation in that actually protects the killing of babies up until a certain point.

04:48:58

It's just that now that legislation didn't work in New York. And so the only reason any part of you would think, well, maybe it's okay to kill a baby after they're this many weeks is because someone came in and said, well, let's fight for this many weeks at least.

04:49:14

But the whole time, babies have been dying. So in a weird way, we're shocked because of the pro -life party.

04:49:25

And those kinds of things affirm the legitimacy of Roe when you define it like that, which is the problem altogether.

04:49:33

Because as you said, it's an immoral court opinion. It's not a law.

04:49:39

And so when you define this debate on the terms of the enemy, you're giving credence to the idea that a group of men or women, five men or women to be specific, can dictate what morality is and can redefine the very nature and fabric of what it means to be human.

04:49:58

And so - Yeah, we're not being ruled as communities or states or republic or even a constitution.

04:50:05

We're being actually the ultimate voice of the God of our system today is five men or women in the

04:50:12

Supreme Court. That's now the ultimate voice of God. It's an endless hamster wheel because who can get the most votes to get the most butts in the seats in order to dictate the consensus of the people?

04:50:23

That's an endless fight. I don't wanna fight anymore. I don't wanna be a part of it. Because it's not just the issue of abortion.

04:50:29

Right, it's everything. What did we just deal with a couple of years ago and now we're feeling all the effects of now?

04:50:36

We dealt with the Obergefell decision. Marriage, family. What happened there is another defining moment is that our country has now gone into the position where we say that the ultimate voice of the

04:50:48

God of our system is this Supreme Court, these black robes, these five judges, male or female.

04:50:55

That's the voice of the God of our system. It's not the people. It's not a republic. It's not a constitution anymore.

04:51:01

It's not even democracy. It's the voice of the God is the black robes at the

04:51:06

Supreme Court. And if we can finally come to terms with that and face that as a reality, that that's what we are now, is the voice of the

04:51:13

God of the system is the five black robes in Washington, D .C., then we can actually start to resist in a very consistent way.

04:51:21

And that starts with the kind of thing we're talking about when we talk about interposition. So like what we argue in terms of how we have to fight this is we have to fight as A, Christians.

04:51:30

Christians, Christians, Christians. Not neutral Christians from a Christian worldview saying things like sin, murder, repentance, telling the truth, right?

04:51:38

And then we say there has to be something called interposition, which is by the way, what our country was supposed to be about.

04:51:44

Like we used to be called a republic. We were a republic and it wasn't a democracy.

04:51:52

It was a republic. There is a difference. And the reason we were a republic is it was the states that created the federal government.

04:51:59

It wasn't the federal government that made the states. They didn't by decree say, I now give you existence.

04:52:05

You are the state of Virginia. Like the states and the colonies states, they created, this is our thing.

04:52:12

That's what they were saying. Like, let's all, this will be our thing. And we'll have this way that we can all manage this thing with this federal government.

04:52:19

But they never were saying, and now we bow to you. They were always, always in a place where they would say, we will interpose between you, if you get beastly, and our people, we will always interpose, whether it was like, say, for example, the

04:52:35

Fugitive Slave Act, when you had fugitive slaves, fantastic talk with Marcus Pitman, and before the city council.

04:52:43

And that's one of the most important elements to bring up in this, is when you talk about things like that, and there's more than just that. But something like the

04:52:49

Fugitive Slave Act is a fantastic example that our culture has to resonate with us.

04:52:54

When you talk about slaves escaping, and a federal court saying, no, you have to give them back.

04:53:02

And then a state saying, how about hashtag hell no? Like that, like that kind of interposition, is there's no way that's gonna happen, why?

04:53:14

Because what you just told me to do was unjust, wicked, and sinful. And so no, and we all look at that today, and we go, look at that state being so just and so amazing.

04:53:26

Put you right on, you had somebody that was in the right state of mind. And then today, the only way that states are willing to do that kind of thing, is when you have states going, well, they should be able to smoke up, right?

04:53:38

I mean, we should let them smoke up. And so we go, well, we'll definitely let you guys smoke up, and we won't listen to what they say about smoking up.

04:53:46

Or like New York, where they said, well, we're gonna kill babies up to full term. Right, right. Same thing.

04:53:51

But I was gonna say, in regards to that talk Marcus gave, I don't know if he told you this, someone else that was with him was,

04:53:59

I think you were there, he was talking to one of the councilmen or whatever, and I think the guy said that his job is to protect, or to represent everyone equally.

04:54:12

Yeah. And the guy was like, no, no, no. That's not it at all. Your job is to represent the majority.

04:54:18

But that's where it gets into this whole discussion of social justice and everything we've been talking about.

04:54:25

You're not representing equally. You're representing the majority. And even anymore, it's more like they're representing the minority who's got the loudest voice.

04:54:37

Right. And I love what they were demanding in that meeting, that Batavia become a sanctuary city for the pre -born, just like the

04:54:45

Fugitive Slave Act. This is a safe place where you can come, have refuge, and we're not going to follow the federal court into their rebellion against God.

04:54:55

We're not going to follow them into disobedience to our rule of law. So why can't we adopt that same principle for the pre -born?

04:55:01

I thought it was a brilliant point to make. And this has really become part and parcel to the message of End Abortion Now this year is engaging the legislature, which is why we're going.

04:55:11

Why? Because here's the thing. You might have a lot of people saying, man, across the country now, End Abortion Now, Apology of Church, started going to the legislature, and we were filming it, and then putting the word out, and it started to inspire other

04:55:25

Christians to go. And you're starting to see people now going to their legislature and saying things like repent, uphold justice, image of God, sin,

04:55:33

Jesus died for sinners and rose again for the dead, believe in Jesus, turn away from this wicked sin. You have people walk up to the legislature, preach the gospel, and say, and stop murdering babies, do your duty as magistrates, and uphold it, and uphold it because they're the image of God.

04:55:48

And you're having Christians across the country now, all over, I'm seeing videos like on a daily basis now, some new

04:55:54

Christian that went before the legislature to do that, so I would ask you, Zach, why are we doing that? Why are we taking the message of the

04:56:00

Christian gospel and the biblical worldview to the legislature? Isn't that supposed to be stuff for heaven one day?

04:56:07

Like, why are we doing that here? What's going on? And I said that in one of my city council talks. I went, I said, I realize, honorable representatives, that it might seem strange to you to see a

04:56:15

Christian standing on his principles in this kind of format. I admit it might seem foreign to you because we've all been told that there's a supposed separation of church and state, that we all have to abide by, and what

04:56:26

I have to say makes no nevermind if I come here quoting scripture to you. That was one of the things I brought up in my talk.

04:56:32

But the reason we do what we do, first and foremost, is government, every realm of authority for that matter, must obey

04:56:41

Christ, must submit to his sovereign lordship. Says who? The word of God itself.

04:56:48

Where? Psalm 2 is a great example. I mean, if we could just camp out on that one verse right there.

04:56:53

But, I mean, Revelation, Jesus is the ruler of the kings on earth, so he has all authority over them, they must obey him.

04:57:01

But Psalm 2 is obviously the premier text that we would go to to say, why do the nations rage in the people's plot and vain?

04:57:06

The kings of the earth and the rulers set themselves against the Lord and against his anointed, saying, let us burst their bonds and cast away their cords from us.

04:57:14

That's what's happening right now in our nation. We have a squad of leaders who think that they are above the very word and law of God to determine in their own eyes what is right and what is wrong.

04:57:25

And the message of Psalm 2 is, God has installed his king on Zion, on his holy hill, and he has given that son the obedience of the nations.

04:57:36

All the nations have to obey Jesus. And then there's a warning at the end of that that says, now kings be wise.

04:57:42

Kiss the son, pay allegiance to him, pay homage to him. Well, why would they do that? He's their boss.

04:57:48

He gets to tell them what to do with their authority because the authority that they have is derivative of him. It is not exercised independently of his rulership, his lordship, he gives it to them and they are ruling in the place of him, which means if they rule in a contradictory fashion to the way that he has prescribed, they're in sin.

04:58:08

And if they're in sin, it's our job as the prophetic voice and witness to call them to repent and to obey and to establish justice for these image bearers of God.

04:58:17

But Romans 13 says, submit to your authorities. Right, Romans 13 says to submit to your authorities and we do, and you can see that obviously in the talks that we give.

04:58:26

We come very humbly, we come very respectfully of their authority. We say, honorable representatives, we honor your position. We believe it's ordained by God, but again, it's not my responsibility if you are enacting decrees that are in opposition or at variance with the law of God to follow you into that rebellion.

04:58:41

And so there is, that's right. So the magistrates are to exercise the authority of God.

04:58:48

That's what the office of king and governance in the nation of Israel, for example, was about.

04:58:54

Those people that were put in positions of authority by God were exercising the authority and office of God.

04:59:01

They were representing him and in any way, when they acted in a way that was contrary to that, they were called by the prophets to come back to the rule of law, which was the law word of God.

04:59:13

And so in Romans 13, same example, they are God's deacon. They are his servants.

04:59:18

They're his deacon, not any other God's servant, right? They're not the servants of Demas, right?

04:59:27

They're the servants of Jesus Christ. He is kurios, he is

04:59:32

Lord, and so they must obey him. And so that's why we go and we tell them. And so it's really a bottom and issue of Christ's authority.

04:59:40

Does he have all authority even over the legislature? And if our nation believes that it's appropriate to kill your children, if our nation believes that it's appropriate to look at a man and say, she, or to look at a woman and say, he, if our nation gets to the point where we say, mommy and mommy is a couple, and that's fine, and that's a marriage, or daddy and daddy is a couple, and that's fine, or mommy and daddy and mommy and mommy and mommy, that's fine, that's just as valid, then what is at issue here is not just a conflict between democratic ideals and republican ideals and liberalism versus conservatism.

05:00:21

What we're talking about is a problem of sin and fallenness that has infected the culture and there's darkness around.

05:00:28

And Jesus only gives that duty in terms of actual preservation and dispelling darkness to one institution in the entire

05:00:37

Bible. And he doesn't give it to the magistrates. He gives it to the church to be the salt, which is the preservative agent to stop things from decay.

05:00:47

And he gives the church the duty to be the light to the culture. And that's,

05:00:52

I mean, it's like you don't have to go far into your Bible to figure this stuff out.

05:00:58

You don't have to be like a biblical scholar. Like if you just want to read the New Testament, you get five chapters into the book of Matthew and you're going to see

05:01:06

Jesus in the most famous sermon in the history of the world saying what I just said, that we're the salt and we're the light.

05:01:13

And he talks to his people about God's law. And he says, if you teach people to minimize even the least of these commandments, you're going to be called least in the kingdom of heaven.

05:01:22

But whoever does them and teaches them is going to be called great. So that's what we're supposed to be about in our culture.

05:01:29

What do you think it is? Like, honestly, like I know we say sin. It's sin, it's sin, it's sin. But like, what do you think it is that's keeping the evangelical church at large from actually engaging this issue in a meaningful way?

05:01:42

Like, what do you think it is? Because we can't just say generally it's sin. We're all just sinners. Like, what is it? What is it?

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Is it cowardice? Is it fear? Is it just idolatry? Is it selfishness?

05:01:53

Is it pride? Like, what do you think is the great resistor right now that we have to confront in ourselves as the church?

05:02:00

I think it's bad eschatology. Okay, what do you mean by that? So, you know, we talk about this a lot, but you know, instead of thinking long -term and being hopeful and optimistic about the future and about Christ's kingdom here on earth, you know, the church, since the early 1900s, maybe even back in the mid -1800s, has been preoccupied with the rapture.

05:02:22

And so instead of engaging the culture, we've retreated within the four walls of the church, right, and taken the gospel with us, and we've sat around and waited for the rapture, and, you know, and let the culture go to hell because we haven't cared.

05:02:40

Now, that doesn't mean that the Christians in the church haven't been concerned about people coming to Christ, and you know, but it's still a different perspective when you're thinking long -term and you're being proactive instead of retreating and being overly pietistic and hiding in our little bunkers.

05:02:57

You're really onto something there. I think, amen to that, bad eschatology, bad view of the future, but that stems from a bad view of the kingdom first.

05:03:05

I think it's an aspect of a truncation of the gospel, seeing it reduced to merely a message that gets people into heaven one day, and it's about being justified by faith, which is at the core of the gospel.

05:03:18

But if you don't have the reign of Christ, if you don't have what it means to be an image -bearer of God at the bottom of all that, what does

05:03:25

Christ save us from? He saves us from our sin, but what does he restore us to? We're redeemed to something.

05:03:31

We're redeemed to hold a particular office, and that office is being his image -bearer in the world, which means to obey him and to promote what he promotes, to be his echo in the world, to be his ambassador in the world.

05:03:44

And Jesus, you see this in his ministry, he was absolutely consumed for doing the will of the Father. Why? Because he's the perfect image of God.

05:03:52

And so that is the office that he maintains, and that's the example that he leaves on the earth to give us.

05:03:59

And so you take an issue like abortion, right? God is the only one in the scriptures with the prerogative to put his image in the world.

05:04:09

That's why he condemns the construction of false images as idolatry. And God has already spoken on this matter and put his image in the world.

05:04:19

It's you and me. And so we are him, his way, and we're to be faithful and to obedient as his ambassadors in this world, and any construction of a false god, a false image is idolatry, because we're the image of God, and he jealously guards over his image.

05:04:38

He jealously guards over his image, and that's why we jealously guard these pre -born children. So we need to guard these babies because they're the image of God, because God jealously guards over his image, because people might say, why are you so hung up on this issue?

05:04:54

Why are you so all about ending abortion and criminalizing this? Well, I would say because it's a fundamental attack, not just on the familial character and nature of God in the triune community, but it's also an attack on his very plan of salvation because Jesus Christ restores us to the true image of God and to our true office, and sinful fallen man that hates

05:05:16

God cannot have that. They wanna image an idol, and they wanna worship themselves and be a false god or worship a false god, but there's only one

05:05:26

God, and so what Jesus does is he gives us back our humanity by saving us and by calling us to be on mission for him and to go about doing the kinds of things that we do.

05:05:37

So the answer to the question, why does the church struggle with this so much, cowardice, apathy, all those things are true, but they stem from a lack of understanding, a lack of being gripped by this reality of the kingdom of God and what it means to be on mission as his ambassador, as his image bearer, because as we're told in scripture, for those whom he foreknew, he also predestined to be conformed to the image of his son.

05:06:03

Jesus is the image of the invisible God. As we have borne the image of the man of dust, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly man, right?

05:06:12

And so many passages just in the New Testament alone about us being restored to the true image bearers of God and what that means, and so truncation of the gospel, lack of the understanding of the gospel, the kingdom, and our office, because if it just becomes about chilling out, waiting for heaven, then we would never do anything like this.

05:06:32

Why would we engage? Most people consider, like if they were to consider what the kingdom of God is, they would think of themselves sitting in a room with God, or like with Jesus in their pocket.

05:06:43

Like this is an independent, individual relationship that we have, and they wouldn't think of it as a kingdom at all.

05:06:49

I mean, at least not in what that actually means. I mean, what a lot of people, it's very regrettable, and I'm sure some people would say

05:06:57

I'm not giving enough benefit of the doubt, and some would say that I'm giving too much, but a lot of it is really, really poor discipleship.

05:07:05

Most people aren't taught that their relationship or the transforming power that happens there is anything more than something that just happens between you, and then what you should do is you should invite people who haven't had that experience into your life and be nice to them until they have it, and that's not anything we see anywhere, and it's certainly when there's actually something that comes up, when lives are at stake.

05:07:31

Like, that's not a, it's not biblical, so when you go to that, when that is your theology, you don't have anywhere to go.

05:07:41

Like, if you're trying to save someone or a life, or if you're trying to empower someone or encourage someone to kill their sin, it's like, if it's just me and you, and I've given up the

05:07:57

Bible, where can I go? And so a lot of people, I feel like a lot of Christians are left very, it's like they're disarmed.

05:08:05

Like, they were told that they were brought up, and they were equipped with some ability to, like, with this identity, and then ultimately, they're just sitting in a room with this pocket

05:08:20

Jesus that is very helpful and pragmatic and encouraging, but doesn't really give them anything to apply anywhere.

05:08:30

And then they just think that's what it is. That's what the message has been all along. Just, you know. And there's no,

05:08:36

Jesus gives his followers the authority to plunder Satan's kingdom. That's what he's given them, and by extension, us.

05:08:43

And this world is no longer in the grasp of a defeated, vanquished foe. That's the point of the gospel, is that Jesus made a public, open spectacle of Satan on the cross.

05:08:53

He's defeated now. And so, the Son of God appeared to destroy the works of the devil.

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That's what John tells us. And so, we need to be about destroying the works of the devil, our defeated and vanquished foe, because he's defeated.

05:09:07

And so, now we come, and we plunder his spoils, and we take everything that he has stolen from us back, and we do it to the glory of God.

05:09:15

That's right. Have you been listening to Joe Booth, by chance? He's always in my ears. All right, so let's wrap it up here for next week.

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And just with that, I wanna encourage you to really think through this. What God has done through a single ministry like ours has been transformative all the way to South Africa, and Ireland, and Australia, and Canada, across the

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United States, saved literally thousands, and thousands, and thousands of lives that is happening on a regular basis through this little old ministry of Apologia Church.

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We're not a large church, and God has done significant things through this church. But you should know that the platforms that you're watching this on right now are making it more and more difficult.

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It's becoming increasingly difficult for people to even see this content, because the platforms are working against conservative and Christian voices.

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So all the more, we need you to partner with us to hit the share button so that somebody else sees this, and it impacts them and blesses them.

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We need you to participate with us. You might say, well, I'm not there in a chair with you. I haven't given financially to the ministry.

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I love your ministry. Well, you can be a part of this ministry, legitimately, side by side with us.

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This isn't about us. It's about the message of Christ that we're talking about, and you can be a part of that by sending it out across the world.

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And again, it's not for our fame. It is for the fame of Jesus, absolutely. So tell everybody how they can get connected with End Abortion Now.

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If you go to endabortionnow .com, you can sign up your church. That's where you'll get in touch with me.

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We'll get you the free resources, training, any support that you guys need to get started with that. But that's how you get linked up with us, ultimately.

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And so you'll be partnered up with us. Obviously, we're gonna do the media training so that you can get that going with your own local church.

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But also, if you need to reach me, Zach, at endabortionnow .com. That's how you get in touch with me. Perfect, all right.

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Zach Conover, Director of Communications for End Abortion Now. Joy, the girl. I almost said

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Joy Temby. I stopped myself. Joy Hunter, that's Joy, the girl. Luke, the bear. And I'm Jeff. We'll catch you next time on Next Week with Jeff Durbin.

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Thank you guys for watching. Thank you guys so much. I was born in Las Vegas.

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And some of my best, favorite, most emotional, intimate memories are from when

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I was a little boy. And I would go to visit family in Las Vegas.

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And I remember distinctly, really distinctly, always flying into Las Vegas at nighttime.

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And I remember looking out the window of the airplane always as a little boy. My favorite moment was when we were coming into Las Vegas and you could see just darkness, but this city lighting up everything.

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And I remember as a little boy, just thinking how glorious it looked and how beautiful and amazing.

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And I was in awe of this city that I was born in. And I remember the feeling of just seeing just pure darkness and this light just lighting up the darkness.

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And to this day, whenever I'm traveling or doing ministry and we get to come through Vegas, one of my favorite things to do is to come into Las Vegas at nighttime and see the lights lighting everything up.

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And it's amazing too, because if you look around this incredible spectacle in the desert, you see just the lights and the veneer, but underneath the surface of all of this is this intense idolatry, rebellion and opposition.

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You see, here is a city that is called what? Sin City.

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What happens in Vegas stays in Vegas. That's the motto, right? People come here from all over the world.

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I mean, you walk down the streets here just tonight, you can hear accents from all over the world,

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Ireland, Scotland, England, Africa, everywhere.

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I mean, it's all represented on the street here. And people come here from all over the world to party, to engage in the pursuit of pleasure.

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It's underneath all of this, all of the lights in darkness here is just a veneer.

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It's just on the surface. And underneath it is this intense rebellion and pursuit of pleasure.

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There is the pursuit of drugs and alcohol and sex, sex without consequences, only it has a tremendous amount of consequences.

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Underneath all of this, sex without consequences, the idolatry of sexual morality is the consequence of life, the beauty of life, the forming of a new life.

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And in this town, in this city with no consequences and where what happens here stays here, you have the consequence of all of the sexual immorality and all the rest, and you have the consequence, which is really glorious consequence, and that's life, the beauty of life.

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And in this town, you have Planned Parenthood and the abortion facilities that actually address the consequences of what happens here, stays here.

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And you have children every single day in the city and in the state that are killed as a result of this kind of a lifestyle.

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And it's really an amazing blessing to see that since God formed

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End Abortion Now through Apologia Church, we have churches in Nevada and in Las Vegas who are bringing the gospel into this city in the darkness, into the context of the pursuit of pleasure, the gospel to the abortion mill, saving lives.

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It's incredible, actually, when you think about that experience I had as a little boy, flying into the darkness and then seeing this city in the darkness, lighting up the darkness.

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It's really, actually how Jesus describes the church, is that that's our mission.

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Our mission is to be salt. Salt is a preservative. It actually stops things from spoil and decay.

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It's not just to make things taste better. It's to stop things from spoil and decay and rot.

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And Jesus says that we're the light of the world. We're the ones that actually set light into darkness and light dispels darkness.

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And that really is the mission of the church and the world. People ask the question, should we be involved in bringing the gospel in the area of abortion?

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I mean, isn't it enough just to be pro -life within the walls of the church and pro -life between our ears and in our homes?

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Is that enough? And the answer is no, not according to Jesus in his most famous sermon.

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He calls us to be salt that actually stops things from spoil and decay. And he calls us to be light that dispels the darkness.

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We're supposed to be, as the church, the city in darkness. That when people actually look into the world at all the darkness in the world, it's the people of God that are lighting up the darkness.

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We're supposed to be that incredible spectacle in the desert, this wasteland of lostness and sin in the world.

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We're supposed to be that amazing spectacle of light that is just blazing out of the darkness and dispelling the darkness.

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That's the mission of the church. And you can be a part of it. We actually have lights right now in the desert bringing the gospel into the area of abortion.

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And you can actually sign up your church and bring the gospel into conflict with abortion. And you can save lives.

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Just a couple of days ago, we learned about four lives saved just in one morning. Thousands of lives have been saved.

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You can be a part of being that light and that salt, just go to endabortionnow .com

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and you can get your church signed up for free, get free training and get free resources to be a part of the mission of the church, to be that light in the darkness, to be that salt that stops things from spoiling decay and to bring the gospel into conflict with the issue of abortion.

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You can sign up right now for free, free training, free resources. Everything is given away to your local church.

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Just go to endabortionnow .com. Hi, I'm Jeff Durbin with Apologia Church and End Abortion Now.

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Just a few short years ago, God called us to start End Abortion Now. End Abortion Now at the very beginning was just Apologia Church trying to equip local churches across the

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United States to start abortion mill ministries to save children's lives. We wanted to create a ministry that was a gospel centered ministry based upon scripture, the word of God that was coming out of local churches to once and for all end abortion.

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We also wanted to actually begin a cultural movement to bring the light of the gospel into the conversation of abortion.

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We knew we needed to do that through media. We wanted to actually inundate platforms globally with millions and millions of views with a focus on the gospel itself in conflict with abortion.

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We also wanted to begin the process of raising up these local churches to bring the gospel to their local legislatures.

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Since we began, since you started this ministry with us years ago, since you gave towards this ministry, since you participated with us in this ministry,

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God has raised up almost 500 local churches globally. The amazing thing to us is that these local churches were not only starting this ministry to save lives, to use the gospel, and to work towards an immediate end of abortion in the

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United States of America, but at this point, we have churches that are doing this in Australia, New Zealand, all over North America, that's the

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United States and Canada, and even now in Ireland itself. Through your participation with End Abortion Now, God has saved literally thousands of children from death.

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At this point, we have no ability to count how many babies are being saved. I wanna give you an update about 2019.

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Many of you guys partnered with us, you prayed with us, you gave towards 2019 in our ministry and mission.

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And what God has done has been absolutely incredible. Not only have we been able to save thousands of children from death, not only have we raised up just so many local churches globally to bring the gospel to their local abortion mills and to demand an immediate end to abortion, we were able to once again spread the message of the gospel in conflict with abortion through media around the globe.

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We did this through regular platforms like Facebook and YouTube, and we were of course able to actually produce the documentary

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Babies Are Still Murdered Here with Marcus Pittman. Not only did Babies Are Still Murdered Here break all the records of the last film, but Babies Are Still Murdered Here is available on YouTube and Facebook and Amazon Prime.

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This film is being seen globally, and what this film does is it actually communicates the gospel itself in conflict with abortion, and it demonstrates the failures of the pro -life movements to work consistently to once and for all criminalize, end, and abolish abortion.

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Through your partnership with End Abortion Now in 2019, you were able to be a part of what God started through this movement, and that is local churches going to their local legislatures, demanding an immediate end to abortion, preaching the good news of Jesus Christ to their local legislatures, and demanding an immediate end to abortion in their cities, in their towns, in their states.

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You were a part of that. You helped to make that happen. This happened across the United States of America, and it was everybody from pastors to little children demanding an immediate end to abortion in their cities.

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You helped to start that movement to bring Christians to their legislatures to demand the criminalization, the end, the abolishment of abortion in the

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United States of America. Through your partnership in 2019, you helped us to equip and to send out kits to local churches across the

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United States of America to train those churches, and you were able to help us so that we were doing this completely for free for those churches.

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It was no cost whatsoever to them. You also helped us through your partnership to actually begin a platform where all of these local churches can communicate with one another minute by minute to coordinate, to bring the good news into their cities, into their towns, into their states.

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You also helped us to produce content that would equip these churches to begin their own media ministry so that we could begin the transformation of the culture with the light of the gospel across all social media platforms.

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In 2019, all of this work began because you were a part of it with us at the beginning of the year.

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And we wanna say thank you for everything you did with us in 2019. We're grateful to God for all that he's done, and truly, this thing is just beginning.

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In 2020, we have a very big year ahead of us. Now that all the pieces are in place, now that we've actually raised up nearly 500 local churches to do this movement with us, now that we've been able to equip these churches completely for free, now that they're out saving thousands of lives, and now that Christians are beginning the process of speaking to their legislatures with a message of the gospel demanding an immediate end to abortion, and now that we are flooding the media with the content of the gospel in conflict with abortion, we're ready to have 2020 be the first year, we pray, that there would be sanctuary cities and an end of abortion in cities, states, and in this nation.

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That's what we're working towards in 2020. All of the platforms have been laid down. All of the foundations are there.

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2020 is the year where, God willing, we are hoping to raise up so many more churches to begin this work with us to save thousands more lives, but also to work together as a team with all of those churches to once and for all end, criminalize, and abolish abortion in our nation.

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Because you joined together with us, because you served alongside of us, and because you partnered with us in ministry, you made all of this possible.

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All of the thousands of children that are alive today because of Christians going out to preach the gospel in this issue, they're alive today because of your work together with us.

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So we're humbled by it, we're grateful for it, and we wanna ask you, whether you've participated with us before or not, to prayerfully consider giving towards this work for 2020, to end abortion, to criminalize it once and for all, and to do it as Christians.

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Help us in 2020 to once and for all end this.

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Help us to shut these places down and help us to do it with the message of the gospel.