Is repentance of sin necessary for salvation

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October 28, 2022

Join us as we discuss a heated topic; Does one have to turn from sin in order to be a Christian.

00:05: All right, we are live ladies and gentlemen My name is Jeff and I am one of the elders of Covenant Reformed Baptist Church here in,
00:17: Tallahoma, Tennessee If you ever in Tennessee, please come and check us out and I'm here with my good buddies
00:22: Braden and Greg Braden introduce yourself, brother Jeff you're the only ten I see no, and I'm also disappointed that we don't
00:32: I'm also disappointed right now that we didn't have the The typical intro of you doing the song right there that was a little disappointing thing.
00:40: I mean I can kick it off I Just forgot
00:48: Anyway, yeah, no It's all good no worries pastor
00:55: Braden Patterson from Valley Baptist Church in Hagerman, Idaho If you live around Hagerman I'd love to see you on church throughout the week and be able to fellowship and worship
01:05: God together I also have a YouTube channel called reformed ex -mormon and I'm so blessed to be with these
01:11: Wonderful brothers here tonight on open -air theology and on that I'll pass it up to Greg Yeah Hey, I'm I'm Greg mooring jr.
01:23: I am the former pastor of Valley Baptist Church And Currently am a member a joyful member at First Baptist Church of Coleman here in Coleman All right in Coleman, Florida.
01:36: It's about 45 minutes away from my house. We live I live in Umatilla, Florida So if you are in the general vicinity of Coleman You know 45 minutes to an hour at most
01:49: I recommend please Come visit us at First Baptist of Coleman if you're looking for a good 1689 church in central,
01:59: Florida. I know it's a unicorn but it does exist Very good, very good.
02:06: So how y 'all gentlemen been? I know it's been a while since we've been able to get on and and be able to do a podcast
02:14: I speak with with Braden through our text messages pretty pretty frequently
02:20: But I haven't heard much from Greg Greg is a friend of the show and we have him on here as often as he's able to get on here
02:31: Is there any kind of like do you have a YouTube channel or anything where you do any other stuff on I Don't Because it's kind of out of on purpose
02:45: Right, I just I just don't engage in that stuff. I mean I've have
02:51: You know stuff out there stuff exists but not anything where I've actually
02:56: My wife has said sometimes that maybe I should actually have a YouTube channel where we can actually
03:02: Consolidate all of the stuff that exists out there you know with the sermons that I've preached either at Eastside or at Val Valley Baptist or You know,
03:12: I'll be preaching this in not this Sunday, but the 6th and 13th Filling in for our pastor while he and his family are out on vacation
03:21: So I'll be preaching then I go I've done a lot of Pulpit supply around in the area and I record my stuff.
03:29: I just don't upload it anywhere It's more of I just listen to my own stuff to see how heretical I am after the fact
03:36: Right, right. I I am the same way man. I am my biggest critic Sometimes I think
03:42: I'm in the pulpit I think man, this is going good. I come home and listen to it It's like man,
03:47: I dropped the ball But then there's time where I feel like nothing's going right in the pulpit and come home and listen to it
03:53: I'm like, that's pretty good Like I said that Wow, that's pretty insightful.
03:58: I should I should quote myself sometime. Yeah, so don't trust yourself If you think you're doing good, you're probably not no no
04:09: I don't know if you if you guys do this, but like I'll be critiquing myself while I'm preaching Yeah, like it like in the moment and it's like Oh Lord help me
04:23: Because you got to help me cuz I can this is yeah, this is this is turning out to be whoo
04:28: Yeah, and I'm fairly new to preaching week after week. I mean when I first started in ministry preaching
04:36: You know, it's preaching at the jail. So I preach at the jail You know once a month sometimes twice a month and then
04:41: I started preaching on the radio, but I was doing that every Saturday But but but the messages wasn't really long 15 -20 minute message or whatever.
04:51: So what really much and You know just here and there preaching stuff like that, but for the last two and a half years it's you know
05:00: Every Lord's Day, right? I'm in the pulpit and so It's it's it's you know, um,
05:07: I like to think I'm developing like I'm growing in my preaching But uh, you know, it is what it is
05:18: Yeah, I've I Know this time has gone on to more. I realize how
05:25: How many rabbits I like to chase? Oh, yeah, you know, I'm regular old
05:30: Oh, did you preach with an outline or some manuscript? Oh, I actually will use a full manuscript in because I know that there's so many rabbits that I have the potential of chasing because my mind will
05:44: Will fire like while again while preaching there'll be something that will come up and if I don't have the
05:55: If I don't have the manuscript there It will it has it has a chance to go way off the rails, right?
06:05: But I mean if I have the manuscript I am able to be able to kind of like in the moment assess whether what's happening here needs to come out of here
06:15: And it will it fit. Mm -hmm If not, it's like okay shut up and stick to the manuscript
06:21: Because I've already actually pre preached it which is what you know for me the manuscript is
06:27: Actually, I'm right. I've pre preached it through right for the to the keyboard, right?
06:32: What about you Brighton? Do you preach with a manuscript? No, I do. I do I I don't know if this term is correct, but I would say that it's a skeleton bullet -point just reference sheet that I usually use and I usually try to do it where like This was from this last
06:50: Sunday. This is what it might look like All of it, that's all of it, so I'll do a title
07:07: But yeah, usually usually I do like a title at the top just to help me keep what the theme or what the message the
07:13: Overarching point of it is so I title all my messages and then from there then
07:18: I go Just by verse with bullet points of the important things I want to talk about usually in my head as I do it throughout the week
07:26: I like I have like a recorded Manuscript in my head that like almost everything that I say on a
07:33: Sunday like there are some times that I go down the rabbit Trail, but in my head I already have it
07:39: What I'm gonna say and it usually comes out in some some format that way
07:45: I'm about to start having a preaching workshops at my church to offer to the
07:52: Existing churches around us and those that are inspiring to preach So I plan on doing some on preaching teaching and open -air preaching and and one -on -one evangelism
08:05: Yeah, and also that way it'll help us to get to know the neighboring churches and stuff like that Yeah, so what's the what kind of notes do you do for your preaching
08:17: Jeff I do about 70 % manuscript, but it's more of a detailed outline
08:23: Yeah, yeah, and and and it's very very nicely written now.
08:29: So let me So I use an iPad you use an iPad. Yeah and I And I download everything to a let's call it notes.
08:40: I don't know if you can see that Oh there for a second. It's censored
08:50: Yeah, and then you know, it's just page by page or whatever cool I usually have about 14 14 pages like that and cool
08:59: Yeah, do you handwrite your stuff Greg or do you do a electronic one like that? Okay, so let me
09:05: Let me show you how Okay, yeah So, this is my typical preaching
09:12: Bible which you Braden you've seen these things up close. Yeah That's an assault weapon.
09:18: It is it's like a six -pound Bible That's a Mac brick. Yeah, so if you look right here that is
09:27: My notes like in John one Of me like me breaking it down.
09:33: Okay. Now I will take something like that I can't but I take that and then
09:41: I'll actually I will I will actually expand on it because that ends up being like the bullet points that I've been able to kind of build a build a manuscript out of but as I'm as I'm doing my sermon stuff, this is what
09:57: So far, this is so this is what I'm dealing with Philippians Which this is really
10:04: I've got chicken scratch, I don't that's why I'll eventually type it out But I'll go through like my cross references
10:11: You know ideas of like and then I've you know I've got here or a thing of like keywords like just to get a sense of it and then
10:20: Kind of the last thing that I end up going through is as I'm going through my comment I'll I will write down here like questions that I have of the text and going verse by verse asking
10:32: What are the questions that are coming up in my mind as I'm reading this that if I were?
10:39: You know having to on -the -fly interpret What am I asking and how am I going to do that?
10:44: And then the next thing I'll have here where as I'm going through my my commentaries and things like that I will write down all like Pertinent like you like quotes that I'm like that would be really helpful.
10:59: I don't use all of this Which is why I go, you know, I have the potential of going off on a rabbit trails because I will have read so much
11:08: And studied so much that it's like hey as a for instance
11:14: You know, I'm filling in here in Philippians. I'll be in Philippians 2 12 through 16 in on the 6th and then 17 through 24 the following week.
11:25: Mm -hmm The section that I'm preaching on the 6th, I'm right now reading MacArthur's commentary what
11:32: I'm going to be preaching in one week It's three chapters in this commentary
11:39: You know, it's it's three full chapters, you know, like verse 12 alone. Is it it's like a 12 page chapter
11:48: Which so it's like one sermon is essentially what it is. So it's like three sermons that he's that I'm gonna be like You know
11:54: I'm gonna be dealing with in three or a one sermon that you know could could have the potential of going for three
12:00: And so that like it's this really long process that I go through to where eventually like once I've read all my
12:08: Commentaries and I've kind of I've got a title I've got like this maybe the three main points if I actually come up with the main points
12:16: I'll sit down and then I'll actually just type I'll just I'll type a manuscript From like just from scratch and if I've got my notes,
12:25: I'll I'll use those build it out and Whatnot but it's a it's a pretty lengthy process.
12:33: Yeah, I personally have to have an iPad Like my my handwriting is terrible and I can't spell that good so I find myself like like I Don't I don't even like I know this might sound crazy, but like I will look down at my notes if I need to like remember a reference or if I Started to go down a rabbit trail, but it a lot of times
13:01: I don't there have been some sermons that I preach that it's so in my mind of what
13:07: I What I'm wanting to say and what I've studied that I don't even typically look down I just keep eye contact with everybody and look down at the
13:15: Word of God and I cannot I cannot do that. Like I used to do that really listen in the assemblies of God I'd walk around the room and just talk to people and stuff like that But now
13:27: I of course like in the assemblies of God churches, you know, you have a light on you and everything else is dark
13:33: Now, you know, you can see everything really good and man if I look at somebody it will just throw me off Really?
13:42: Yeah, so even if I have my section memorized in my You know like in my iPad.
13:48: I'm still looking down toward my iPad then you know, like You know, like I'm engaging the crowd, but I don't intentionally
13:59: Look too long Because it will just throw me off track
14:04: And so I'm looking down. I'm looking up and I'll make a point look around and I'm looking back down.
14:09: I'm just I'm basically in the text in my notes and then
14:15: I'll look up and stuff like that. But Yeah, my mine will be a situate like where maybe some hybrid in that like as I will
14:24: I will read the manuscript Word for word like I could hand you if somebody was like, can
14:30: I have your sermon notes? I could hand them my sermon manuscript and they're gonna have about 95 to 98 percent of what
14:38: I preached Because in the moment, well there will also be as it times when
14:44: You know, you know, we'll count it. Maybe you know the Spirit of God like On that bringing something memory at that moment, you know bringing up a point.
14:54: I didn't even think about up until I was preaching and well, you know will actually
15:03: Make, you know pretty, you know good make caught, you know Contact visual contact with with people
15:12: Because I don't because I am so reliant on a manuscript which I preached the manuscript
15:18: I don't just read it I actually preach it and I know how where I want to inflect. I don't put even like like as I'm as I again as I said,
15:26: I'm pre preaching it while I'm typing and so when I get up to preach I Know where somebody may not they may just look okay
15:35: It's just an exclamation point or maybe there's something there. Like I know like as I'm You know preaching it out loud
15:43: Like where hey, I wanted to lower my voice to to draw in You know somebody or to raise my voice to to pound the pulpit because I you know
15:54: I'm a pretty I don't know any of that man. He just happens in the moment Yeah, like if I'm just you know as I'm studying through and then like Sunday morning as I read through my notes
16:04: I'm like this thing don't make any sense But Right, you know like everything changes, right?
16:12: So let's get on the topic. Let's say we're 16 minutes in We haven't even touched it. What's up?
16:18: Haps? Kicking it so our topic for today is
16:24: It's pretty much controversial and I think there's gonna be some push and pull with us three tonight
16:30: But it is this is repentance of sin Necessary for salvation and so Yes, or no
16:45: You want to say no, I'm gonna say no. What do you say Brayden? And I can't just say yes or no say no.
16:55: I'm gonna say no great. Yes or no I must say yes with qualifications. Yes with qualifications.
17:02: Okay, so now let's get into it so so whenever right here like I purposely put salvation
17:14: Yeah, I purposely put salvation versus justification. So if I want to be
17:21: You know more narrow. I would say justification that Repentance turning from sins is not necessary It's not salvific when it comes to justification
17:38: So so so let's just look at the word salvation real quick before we kind of dive into it and push and pull so salvation
17:47: It just means Rescue right if if a little girl or a little boy was playing in the middle of the road and a car was
17:56: Belling at him or her and I see what's about to take place and I take off running and I Get this child this boy or this girl out of the road
18:09: Seconds before the car hits them in one sense. You can say that I was their salvation.
18:16: I Rescued them Braden you are a firefighter, right? You have probably been someone's salvation or you know, someone that was someone's salvation in that sense of Rescuing someone from a fire or whatever it is
18:34: Resuscitating them like that's all the word means Now salvation in the biblical sense being it being salvific
18:44: We're talking about God Us being dead in our trespasses and sins and made alive
18:52: To Christ's right being seated in the heavenlies being born again given faith to believe
18:58: So I would say in that sense us being born again Repentance of sins turning forsaken sins is not
19:11: Necessary and we'll get into it a little more. I just want to kind of Scare the crap out of people
19:19: And so let's just let's just go from there You know,
19:25: I so I I'll start off by reading a Bible verse real fast because I do think that they're like Greg said with qualifications, there's gonna be a lot of qualifications.
19:34: I think we're gonna talk about tonight. No, right Are you able to hear me? Okay? Yeah, I hear you fine
19:40: Greg Okay Perfect so mark 1 chapter 14 to 15
19:48: I really like this verse because I think it teaches us a lot about our own preaching like we were just talking about what it
19:54: Should look like what it should sound like mark 1 verses 14 and 15. Yes Mark 1 chapter 14 and 15.
20:00: Yeah Yeah, mark chapter 1 verses 14 through 15 Yeah, we're gonna read chapter 14 and 15 and I think guys we're gonna read chapter 1 14 and 15
20:15: That's right The extended extended version
20:24: But verse 14 and 15 says this and after John had been taken into custody
20:29: Jesus came into Galilee Preaching the gospel of God and saying the time is fulfilled and the kingdom of God is at hand repent and believe in the gospel so I would first say like before I even
20:48: Talk a little bit about this is that as as pastors preachers evangelists teachers as Christians we even though Jeff and I and Greg I know said yes to the the
20:59: Repentance is necessary for salvation, but Jeff and I said no None of us are saying that we as pastors preachers teachers evangelists are not to go to the world and tell them to repent believe the gospel that is
21:11: Literally my message. I usually have with every single person I talked to on the street corner when I'm doing evangelism repent and believe in the gospel, right?
21:20: and so When when I just don't want somebody to come in and take this podcast and say well like Jeff somebody in your church comes and says well
21:30: Jeff you said that repentance isn't necessary It's not needed and you don't believe that That one needs to repent like I do not want that to have happen
21:39: I don't want somebody to come in and take this out of context tonight, right? We're talking about the very means of what
21:44: Christ did on the cross What it looks like to us and how these things play out and so we're kind of I'm assuming that there's gonna be some splitting of the hairs
21:53: But there's gonna probably be some contention and whatnot But I just I bet I just wanted to say that real fast as well.
22:00: Notice I did Notice I didn't say repentance wasn't necessary.
22:05: Yeah, I said Turning from seeing sin. Yeah, is it necessary and and in the
22:13: South the moment of Salvation. Yes Okay, and well, we're gonna walk through that It's gonna be
22:24: Well, it's because because one of the things that you said is you actually in in this is I guess
22:30: I say this is where Qualifications right is you had said sins earlier and now you just said sin
22:38: Singular so you went from plural to singular and that's actually where I think when we start talking qualifications.
22:43: That's where I'm Going is where my look like clear
22:51: Returning and forsaken sins like like seeing our first Does one have to forsake sin in order to be?
23:05: Saved I Think that will be more in Line of what I'm thinking does one have to forsake sin in order to be justified given faith to believe
23:21: Now the court and I guess the question that I would I would ask is again It was we're trying to figure out to you know, it stay away from as much contention as possible and you know
23:33: You know is is the question that you know, I've got then is What what are we intending by?
23:40: Forsaking of sin. Are we talking a Disposition that says
23:47: I hate sin It crucified Jesus I'm believing
23:54: Jesus speak, you know, I'm turning to Jesus Because he died for my for me in my sin, you know to pay for my sin or you know a game
24:05: Having an established disposition that says, you know, not that every single
24:12: Sin that I commit That I have to in the moment of my my faith you know might be the initiation of my faith when you know, you know post regeneration is
24:27: You know is the act of being born again Which comes before all of this right that ding ding ding ding ding ding, you know, right?
24:38: so, you know is You know when you're talking from an experiential standpoint like what
24:45: I do in You know what I'm commanded to do as a result of my of the being born again
24:55: What am I? What is the God's expectation upon me? is it established there being an established disposition for an hatred towards sin or You know, is it?
25:07: Okay every sin that I commit I am I'm literally stopping all of it right now
25:14: Like I'm never sinning ever again if if we're talking that second thing, that's absolutely not what
25:22: I believe because it would be foolhardy because We have an entire process of sanctification that we have to go through but what
25:29: I'm saying is a disposition at the moment out as an outpouring of having already been born again through regeneration by the
25:38: Holy Spirit because that that precedes my Declaration of my faith and this is you know
25:44: I would say that the Christian faith or what God what the Lord Jesus is expecting of us and command
25:49: Commanding of us which he actually the thing is is what he gives us is A repentant belief that are that saving faith is a repentant belief
26:00: That is a gift from God by the Holy Spirit who's regenerated us prior to us expressing that so that's
26:10: That they get though if you know that that's my qualification Is I'm not I'm not saying hey the the drunk is going to instantaneously the expectation is that?
26:21: Instantaneously is giving up alcohol But he has a disposition that's established to say whatever whatever as I'm reading the
26:28: Bible and you know that I'm being Convicted of sin that I have the disposition of putting that stuff to death
26:38: That that's what I guess that's how I would how I would define that when when I'm understanding repentance
26:44: You know from a at the beginning of it all so Brayden and in in Mark chapter 1
26:54: Verse 15 Jesus says the time is fulfilled the kingdom of God is at hand repent and believe in the gospel
27:05: Where it says repent, what is he telling them to repent from? Yeah He's speaking to the people of Galilee and so these are people that in their minds
27:18: They think that they're worshiping God, but they are obviously not because Jesus is telling them to repent.
27:25: They are in their sins. They But yeah, they're trusting
27:31: God is is their trust in God What is their trust the people that he's saying this to?
27:38: Yeah In there in the sacrificial system
27:45: Yep, right Their trust was in the Mosaic law
27:51: Sacrificial system. That's what their trust was in. We're right with God Because of this order that slayed out before us
28:02: They believe they was in the kingdom which they were they were the physical Kingdom people but the declare the the the proclamation see the gospel if you preach the gospel without preaching the kingdom of God, it's it's not a
28:19: Full robust gospel something's missing. Yeah, right without preaching the reign of the reign of God And so the idea
28:30: The idea that I see going on here And I want to hash it out and over here and in the in the book of Acts so if you go to Acts chapter 2
28:42: The Holy Spirit comes right there they tongues of fire come upon them they're proclaiming the magnificent works of God and And Other tongues and this and this tongues that I believe is not gibberish.
28:59: This is other languages. You had Jews traveling in for the for the festival from all around the oikomen a that the known world and they would have been you know had
29:12: Speaking in different languages and as these Jews were coming in for the festival.
29:17: They were hearing these Galileans these uneducated Galileans Proclaim the magnificent works of God in their own language
29:27: All right, so they're hearing the gospel Preached like I just want to read
29:35: Let's see Verse 29 of Acts chapter 2 says brothers
29:45: Now he's speaking to Jews. I may say to you with confidence about the patriarch David that he both died and was buried and He and his tomb is with us to this day being there for a prophet and knowing that God Had shown with a sworn with an oath
30:07: To him that he would set one of his descendants on his throne. He foresaw and spoke about the resurrection of Christ So right here
30:21: Speaking of death barrel resurrection Christ sitting on his throne. This would have been the kingdom a full robust gospel
30:31: That he was not Abandoned to Hades nor did his flesh see corruption this
30:37: Jesus God raised up and that we are all witnesses Being therefore exalted at the right hand of God and having received from The father the promise of the
30:49: Holy Spirit He has poured out this that you yourselves are seeing and hearing for David did not ascend into heaven
30:57: But he himself says the Lord said to my Lord sit at my right hand
31:02: Until I make your enemies a footstool for your feet verse 36 Now he's calling them to action with all the house of Israel Therefore know for certain that God has made him speaking of Christ both
31:17: Lord and Christ this Jesus right here whom you crucified
31:23: So they didn't believe that Jesus was the Messiah, right? These people didn't actually nail
31:30: Jesus to the cross, but but they're told that You know, you know like I think it's x4
31:45: Is it an x4 where they told that they are? Yeah, something like that. So, okay Yeah, so verse 37 now when they heard this they were cut to the heart and they said to Peter and the rest of the
31:58: Apostles brothers, what shall we do and Peter said to them repent and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins and you'll receive
32:09: The hope the gift of the Holy Spirit for the promises for you and for your children and all those who are far off Who the
32:17: Lord may who the Lord our God calls to himself. Okay, let's just stop there so My argument here is that their repentance that they're called to do
32:30: It's it's not that it's that they did not believe that Jesus was the Messiah crucify him crucify him
32:37: Give us Barabbas crucify him, you know the Jews right Jews people as a whole. They did not trust in him repentance here
32:47: Would have been what I would say repentance and faith the initial salvific repentance of faith
32:55: For them would have been stopped trusting in your sacrificial system and trust in what God has given to us, which is
33:01: Christ So like for for my day and time People People trust in their own selves or people trust in Mormon doctrine people trust in Islam people trust and whatever it is, you know, you might not have a religion you trust the man in the mirror
33:21: Salvific repentance when God grants to us faith and repentance salvific Lee. It's that we
33:29: Repent metanoia Turn, you know turn from what you're worshiping to worshiping
33:35: God that is the initial repentance now after that is when
33:43: Turning from sin takes place the act of because listen if you have to be if you have to if you have to Forsake sin and we can get into the marrow controversy if you have to forsake sin in order to be saved
33:58: That is a work. I have to stop doing
34:06: Versus I no longer believe I'm I no longer believe in myself. I no longer believe in Joseph Smith I no longer believe in Islam.
34:15: I believe in Christ So that's the argument for the marrow controversy a group of Pescatarians.
34:23: I can't remember what century it was a long time ago They were asked as one have to forsake sin in order to be saved
34:29: They all replied. Yes one of them came back and recanted and This is where this controversy comes up if one has to forsake sin in order to be saved that's them having to do something versus God given us faith to believe so if God gives you faith to believe
34:51: You were at one time believing and trusting in something else Me it was the man in the mirror
34:59: Right, I Didn't come out of Mormonism for for Brayden. It would have probably been his
35:04: Mormon doctrine I don't know. I don't know your background, but for the Jews they trusted in the sacrificial system
35:12: You know You mind if I interject something real fast and it might not be fast.
35:17: My if I interject real real quickly I Agree completely with what you're saying.
35:23: I think what? So, let me Let me read a text real fast explain
35:30: Let me then talk about my own situation and let me explain a little bit more here. So Galatians chapter 5 verses 2 through 4
35:43: Behold I Paul say to you that if you receive circumcision Christ will be no benefit to you
35:48: And I testify again to every man who receives circumcision. He's under obligation to keep the whole law
35:53: You have been severed from Christ you who are seeking to be justified by the law.
35:59: You have fallen from grace The reason I read that is that this is coming from Judaizers that are telling the
36:06: Christian though You need to do this in order to actually be saved. You need to do this to actually have salvation Proselytizing proselytize.
36:14: Yes, absolutely. And so When we consider the the Council of Scripture and we understand no one is righteous.
36:20: No, not one. No one does good No one is able to please God. No one seeks after God. We are unable to do so because we're children of wrath by nature children of wrath dead in our sins if if we were to tell somebody that is unconverted that by them stopping doing something
36:41: That's how they get saved That's a workspace salvation and not only that but let me now apply this into a very personal situation
36:48: Right when I was LDS, there were times that I repented of sins There were times that I stopped doing my sins when
36:55: I was LDS Now the issue is were those ever salvific did that ever bring about self of salvation?
37:01: Did that ever bring about a true faith in God? Absolutely not because my repentance was turning
37:08: Let's just give for example, let's say I stole something right and me being my
37:13: LDS mindset Okay, my salvation is now in jeopardy. I need us to repent from what
37:20: I did not steal again And what have I just now done? I have now turned not to the cross, but my heart has changed to look to myself as a reliance of salvation
37:29: It's I went from sin to sin and I was a repentance of sin right a repentance into sin in that way it was and so for a
37:37: Person that believed in Judah being a Judaizer right or they became a Judaizer because of these
37:43: Judaizers They weren't ever a Christian to begin with because what they had done is that they said, oh, okay, that's fair and then they went to a system in order to be saved and that's what when we say that one has to repent of sin and If somebody understands that as okay,
38:02: I'm a drunkard. I just need to stop drinking in order to be saved. Well No that that's not the reality of it
38:09: You need to look to Jesus Christ and his finished work that he did through his life death burial resurrection That's how you saved and then we can talk about the drunkenness after that But there's a difference between Repentance in the sense of a changing of a heart that happens in regeneration
38:23: Having the law written on your mind and in your heart being made these this new covenant member That that I would
38:30: I would say that's the repentance of salvation Whereas then the what comes along after that the ongoing sanctification that we have the ongoing repentance that you and I As Christians, we're always repenting right?
38:44: We're always trying to turn away from sin sins and so I would say that that's the repentance of sanctification the repentance of justification is the being born again and not any longer looking to Looking to I was saying one sense
39:02: I would say in one sense our repentance like like what let's say I fall into sin
39:08: All right, and and God through his grace grants me repentance
39:15: That repentance also is a repentance of in salvation It's just not the salvific the idea of the moment of justification like even in sanctification
39:28: Him granted to us repentance is him Rescuing us from our sins right, we have to understand what the word of salvation is like even in our
39:39: Our 1689 which we all ho to on the idea of of repentance
39:47: Let me find it real quick. Yeah chapter 15 deals with repentance the
40:01: It's really short, but I won't read it all but let me find this
40:07: Really good quote here. Yeah. Yeah, so Section 2 it says there is no one who does good and Does not sin even the best fall into great sin and offense through the power and the deceitfulness of the corruption in them along with the strength of temptation therefore
40:36: God has mercifully Provided in the covenant of grace that believers who sin and fall will be renewed through repentance to salvation
40:47: So they're already believers Right, but God provides repentance now that repentance is turning from sin right you and I every day we repent from sin we we we want to Turn from sin and we would say that even this is a gracious gift given to us from God My argument that I stand with the
41:13: Merrill brothers. Is that that the repentance that's given to us in salvation is faith so like when you go back to X The X passage where it says repent and be baptized.
41:28: It doesn't say believe because repent there is belief It's it's the two sides of the same coin.
41:36: It's you're turning from self -righteousness To God's righteousness, which is
41:42: Christ and that self -righteousness could be a Mormon doctrine could be The sacrificial system under the law of the old covenant could be the like with me.
41:52: It was the man in the mirror right, I worshiped myself and then I I Stopped worshiping myself turn change of mind turned and worship
42:04: Christ. That was the initial Salvation rescue God gave me faith to believe
42:12: So I said I was gonna say as the doctrines of grace go you say that that this comes about posterior to that of regeneration, right?
42:20: Yes. Yes. So regeneration must precede faith and Right and and repent and and and and and repentance follows faith the repentance that follows faith is turning from sins
42:33: So right now life go ahead and this is where I agree with that. Amen Yeah, so and this is where you know, if you know what
42:41: I'm hearing here is And this is where again, I'm trying
42:46: I want to make the distinction The question is repentance of sin not repentance of sins um must not forsake sin so to forsake sin and I'm talking about My just so we're clear.
43:05: Let's say it's whatever you want it to be homosexuality Glutton, I'm like, let's just whatever sins a greedy like for me,
43:14: I was a gangbanger a drug addict a a
43:21: Fornicator like like all the above I just Forsake sin So well that what you again,
43:29: I think what you're defining is repentance of sins Like individual particular things that you commit
43:36: Not the disposition of the heart That the disposition of the heart is one of sin that you know, my children the moment they were conceived were sinners
43:47: Right because and they were not not because they sinned But because they were sinners right and so that the disposition within their own flesh
43:58: Whether before they know the left between the difference or left and the right is sin, right?
44:03: They don't know, you know, my one -year -old right now by and large
44:09: Yeah, I may pop her butt when she's really hit throw pitching a fit It's because she's a sinner in which her heart's disposition is one of sin and that and I guess that and that's where I said
44:23: What like for me the qualification is not okay, the homosexual will so that went out there is that the moment that he believes in the that, you know, he repents and believes in the
44:35: Lord Jesus Christ is Immediately at that moment that very second
44:44: You know am I saying that that man at that very second has to stop or and I would say he would have to stop because it's the natural outpouring that now that you believed in the
44:55: Lord Jesus Christ now do what he says but for that moment to say, oh, hey, there's
45:03: You know your homosexuality You know your your your your sodomiteness is
45:10: What you have to forsake that's not the root problem the root problem is that you are a rebel at war with God and you know in that, you know, we have that particular sin of Not loving the
45:29: Lord our God with all of our heart soul mind and strength of having You know having another
45:35: God besides him and having made an idol that wherever we're repenting of that disposition, yeah, which
45:46: I would category as Self -righteousness. Well, and I would say that sin like yeah, absolutely.
45:52: Yeah Yeah, like that like that is and that's why I said like that's why I want to come with qualifications right is that to me that you have the the singular since like this embodiment of Everything that you are as a sinner it's you know, you you commit sins because you're a sinner because within you is
46:18: Sin that sin resides within you and that that is what you're repenting of It's not necessarily all of the the things that pour out of your sinful flesh what you are rejecting is
46:36: Is sin itself the rebellion which would maybe be the better way of even
46:42: Indicating this as sin is Rebellion your rebelliousness your that you are at war
46:50: With the you know, you're committing treason like and that's when I'm when I'm hearing sin as a as a monolithic thing
46:58: And that's what I'm thinking. Here's a monolithic thing not the individual components that play out
47:03: I'm hearing in saying and this is you know, this is how you know, Braden. I've been out on Friday nights doing evangelism together.
47:12: He may or may not have heard me to describe it as cosmic high treason you know against the high king of heaven and that what when
47:20: I'm saying repent is to You are at war with him Stop drop your sword raise the white flag.
47:29: And so that that is the what's the terms of it? So so God sets the terms of agreement, right?
47:35: Right like if we look at Philippians, I'm sorry Philippians Romans chapter 5
47:43: All right. So Romans chapter 5 verse 1 therefore Since we have been justified by faith
47:50: We have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ, right? So This gives you the idea that that that we are at for those that are not in Christ They are at war
48:02: I was at war you were at war right his terms for peace Was faith, right?
48:10: Specifically right trusting in his son Jesus Christ. So right But you still have to lay down your arms is what
48:18: I'm saying is that you were laying down your arms and bowing the knee I said to you you're turning so so for me it was not worship of myself
48:29: But I I Stopped that Which which I I would say
48:35: I didn't do that every generation. God grants me Repentance and faith right that the first repentance was turning from myself.
48:44: The faith was believing in Christ Now since that has happened, you know,
48:51: I've been justified right now comes the fight
48:57: Right now comes the war within my flesh Right. Hello Which we battle still to the day and that's right like in the where I just read from the 1689 and Let me mention again, which all three of us hoteis for anyone.
49:15: That's that's watching The very last part of it it says
49:22: It says God has made full provision through Christ in the covenant of grace to preserve believers in their salvation thus although There is no sin too small
49:34: That is undeserving of damnation yet. There is no sin. So great that that it will bring
49:41: Damnation on those who repent so this is the believer who lives our life of repentance and the last statement says this makes
49:50: The constant preaching of repentance necessary. So in my pulpit
49:56: I preach repentance to believers Right Not just someone that's walked in off the street, right?
50:06: And so we preach repentance, but The the idea that I want to get across tonight
50:14: Which is is that? Which I like how you put it sin versus sins, right
50:21: We don't have to forsake all sins in order to be a Christian but God grants to us the initial salvation the initial salvific
50:32: Justification turning from whatever it is that sin that removal that let's just say that heart of stone, right?
50:39: Right Our disposition are are that garment that that garment of dust right, he removes that garment of dust
50:50: Adam and gives us the Garment of the righteousness of Christ. Amen, and I would even say like I think there's an example of this that's played out in the book of Joshua is that The as the people went into the land the land was theirs
51:10: But as time went on as they were claiming and dividing up the land They had to dispossess the peoples that were in that land, right?
51:20: but you know and so what I'm saying is that when we're when we're when we're coming to Faith like what you know faith that the faith that is in Jesus Christ is a repentant
51:32: It's repentance and belief the the two sides of the same coin One's the negative one's the positive, you know, and that they're so intertwined together
51:42: That it is what it is But you you know that the faith that we express is one where as I said, it's it's not it's not a complete and total you know abolition or you know, or annihilation of this of the of the people residing in the land
52:02: That will come It is the disposition that these people are defeated.
52:09: Mm -hmm. This is defeated, right? sin is defeated in Christ and because I recognize that my
52:16: I have committed treason and Now I am taking I am taking his I'm taking him at his word like because I've got it
52:25: I have to stop fighting him and I've got it, you know, my I pull down my banner.
52:32: I wave the white flag pull that banner down and You know and and that the banner of Christ is now raining over my heart, right?
52:43: And so at some point I cannot have Too bad. I can't I can't have two banners and that's and that's what
52:49: I'm saying Repentance of sin is the tearing down of my banner is you know, it's you can't have two posing identities, right?
52:55: And I've mentioned this before on here. I'm a I'm a guy's ex. I'm an ex gangbanger. I'm not a gangbanger any longer
53:02: There's no such thing as a as a Christian gangbanger Right, just like there's no such thing as a
53:09: Christian homosexual right to the two are incompatible You can't have two opposing identities.
53:17: I said this at my church last week. We was Sitting at the table eating we have a meal after every service and I said it's not the
53:25: Christians job When they go out to witness to bring them to it's not our job to call people to come to church
53:35: Right. It's our job to call people to come to Christ If they come to Christ Christ will get them in church
53:45: Agree, right. We're not we're not to go out in our neighborhoods and try to Convince people to come to church
53:52: Or to compel them to turn to Christ if they turn to Christ Christ will get them to church same way
53:58: It's not up to me To to To you know, of course, we preach repentance and stuff like that.
54:07: I can't repent for someone like like I Can't force someone in repentance.
54:13: I can't con someone in the repentance We preach the gospel
54:19: Right Everyone else we preach the same gospel Christ this is where the regeneration comes in Christ Saves them
54:33: I can't save them Greg can't save them Brady can't save them Christ saves them. We preach the gospel.
54:38: So Same way when we witness we go out and we witness we don't con people to come to church we
54:45: Compel them to come to Christ that same idea whenever we're witnessing and if that person comes to Christ Christ Will give them the repentance they need to turn from sins
54:57: It's it's it's that same idea we are Called to preach the gospel
55:03: Christ saves Christ gives them repentance Christ brings them to church
55:09: We have one mission we got a single -shot shotgun and with one bullet it's the gospel of Jesus Christ What we have to do week after week every opportunity we get is to preach that faithfully
55:23: Right, whether we're talking to a homosexual a gangbanger our our children
55:32: Same gospel same message nothing changes so One thing that I One one really cool thing that I love doing whenever I have conversations with the
55:48: LDS with missionaries in particular there was one time that it just worked out perfectly because there was a cross on somebody's house and so it was
55:58: I mean, I was tearing up crying as I as I was telling them this and it was so amazing, but Because I had gone through with them really convicting them of sin how they they believe in their own righteous deeds their own works their own efforts for for for salvation and so on and so forth and so It came down to the point where okay, what do you guys believe is repentance?
56:23: So it means stop doing what you're doing go to your bishop go take the sacrament on Sunday That's how you gain repentance, right?
56:30: And so I I'm like, okay And I was like, that's not what repentance is it means changing your mind having a change of heart not looking at the same thing but turning away from it and and and it was so cool because it was
56:44: And I'm gonna mess it up and it's gonna not sound as great as it was that day And I told him look if you say that your sin was was right here and you're looking at it
56:54: You love it. You hold to it. You believe that's what's saving you Is this in front of you right here?
56:59: Your hands are ingressed in it and you love it what I'm saying when I mean repent is that God is the one that is turning you and that sin that you just saw there is actually right there on that cross and it's paid for there by the
57:14: Lord Jesus Christ and I appoint not the house that has the cross and And and that is what
57:20: I mean that you must repent and believe in Jesus Christ and what he has done there fully for you cautious to 15
57:29: Yeah first so yep Colossians 2 15 and then not only that but I was just gonna read Colossians 1 13 for he delivered us from this dominion of darkness and Transferred us to the kingdom of his beloved son.
57:43: That to me is repentance. That is to me a Changing of your identity that to me is a lowering of that banner and a raising and exalting of God's truth
57:53: He has taken us and transferred us from looking at this to seeing that exact same sin
58:01: Not in front of us here, but transferring it and making us see it where it now belongs that Christ has paid it fully
58:09: Right that that's that's how I've always explained repentance to somebody on the street corner, right?
58:15: I'm just reminded off the top of my head is this is this is a song. It's not Bible, but it's it's a good song
58:22: They the band theocracy Progressive power metal
58:28: They've got a song on Dealing with actually Martin Luther and one of the I this is one of the things that they got a lyric here
58:36: That says, you know see these madmen peddling the wares of dead men's souls
58:42: Collecting on a debt already paid so long ago and You know again when
58:48: I want to make sure that I'm very clear. I'm not in any way saying of a work or anything
58:57: I confess 100 % That all of what I'm saying is the is the work of the
59:05: Holy Spirit Working in us. It is him doing this and and in this
59:11: I'm reminded of You know the example of when
59:17: Sennacherib comes to Jerusalem Sennacherib has declared war on Judah and Sennacherib sins was it rab shakka,
59:30: I think is his name and he sends his emissary To Jerusalem to say
59:40: Sennacherib has claimed this as his own It's his you've got two options you either you know lower the flag of Judah and Take the flag of Assyria To show that you are a conquered territory
01:00:01: Or I kill you and I take it anyway Well on the flip side Us being the ambassadors of Jesus Christ who is the king of kings and Lord of lords and has said that all authority
01:00:13: You know in heaven and on earth is his that he owns everything That all all power is his that every person that we encounter on a street corner
01:00:25: Every person that we're calling on and saying repent and believe the gospel That we in the positive holy and pure sense are like rab shakka at the walls of Jerusalem saying
01:00:39: King Jesus has said that you are his You will either bow the knee now
01:00:44: Or you will bow the knee later You can either have his banner fly over you and in doing so, you know, you have said, you know
01:00:53: I am fighting this war anymore But I am going to submit to King Jesus That Jesus is
01:01:01: Lord period and At the after that whatever he tells me to do
01:01:07: I will do I don't care what he tells me to do Because of what he paid what he suffered who he is and what he is worth and what his value is
01:01:17: It's so much worth more than anything else that whatever it whatever it is that I may not even see but this disposition of rebellion is dead and Christ is
01:01:29: King That is what we are. I Believe that is what we're proclaiming is that we're saying gee, you know
01:01:36: We are saying repent and believe the gospel, you know for the kingdom of heaven is at hand that Jesus is King He is your king and you must obey him.
01:01:45: You must turn to him You must believe in him because what you did and what's amazing about this is that this
01:01:51: God that we're at war with is the one who he's offering us terms of peace and The terms of peace are so splendid because it isn't just like hey,
01:02:04: I'm conquered territory I become a son of God and So and at that point all the other stuff that flows out of that That's what
01:02:16: I in so that's what I say is that it is it is not I'm not saying repent of sins repent of sin repent of rebellion
01:02:25: You know lay down your arms wave the white flag take Jesus at his word that he will save Would you agree with this statement?
01:02:35: Ray Comfort, which if you know my story I Was granted salvation repentance and faith through Ray Comfort's ministry.
01:02:48: Yeah when I witness I witness Through the same way
01:02:54: Ray Comfort witnesses law and gospel, right? This is the biblical reform position law and gospel, right?
01:03:02: Though Ray Comfort is not reformed, right? Ray Comfort at the end.
01:03:08: He'll say there's two things you must do in order to be safe repent and trust in Jesus Now his his form of repentance would be a contrite heart.
01:03:23: Sorry Sorrowful sorrowful. I'm saying that right? I think sorrowful over your sins
01:03:32: Returning from sins being sorry for your sins and Trusting in Christ, would you would you agree with that?
01:03:41: And then after that I want to read Something from the confession
01:03:49: Well, you know, I would say that I do agree with that I I would say that Ray also sometimes does sorry
01:03:57: I just I'm hearing now things my internet is going slow. So if I step on somebody I apologize. Are you you go ahead?
01:04:04: Ray Sorry the the Ray Comfort Does great things but I do think that like sometimes it does come across a little bit
01:04:14: Legalistic because it almost does sound like okay, you need to stop doing More than just you need to stop doing this, but by stop doing this you will be saved
01:04:25: It almost seems like it's this it sounds like that whenever he's Yes, the end like it does sound like that like it and I love
01:04:34: Ray Comfort. So don't don't think I'm Absolutely love Right, and this and I guess this is where I would say is that I wonder if if we're hearing it with legalistic ears
01:04:48: When he's not being when that sort of you know, that sort of I listen to him probably two or three hours a day every day
01:04:56: Like because I because this is how I witness I try to get it right me Right, I listen to him every day that form of witnessing.
01:05:03: I listen to it every day Yeah, and I'm saying is I don't
01:05:08: I don't take that as legalistic Because you know or as a works -based thing in any way shape or form
01:05:21: Because I think if God has commanded us to do something is it legalistic to obey what he said like that that that's that that's what
01:05:31: I guess saying is Is my repentance in my belief?
01:05:38: Is that what saves me? ultimately, no But is it is it a grace that has been given to me in order to obey
01:05:47: God's commands? Yes, you know and that that it is and this is and actually this is the thing that I'm even dealing with in in Philippians 2 is this
01:05:58: You know, it's throughout the Bible this this paradox this mystery of how God is completely sovereign over everything
01:06:08: And Braden's gone Peace when
01:06:15: I say is that God has given, you know, he's the ultimate cause He is ultimately behind it all and yet.
01:06:23: There is a responsibility that we have That God that God expects of us and how it it's one of those things like how does it all play together
01:06:33: I don't know, but it's what the Bible tells me and I I'm just I'm just I'm just Gonna go with what the book says and you know, if I if I can't figure it out,
01:06:45: I Don't care So I'm a Calvinist, you know, I don't need to figure it out
01:06:50: I just need to know what God said and go that's what he said and then just deal with it and just do what he says and you know, and that's where I think that the the call to repentance of Sins, you know, you know,
01:07:04: I wouldn't say hey repentance of sins repent of your sins But repent of your sin the that and that's again, that's where I make a distinction and that's where I said is the
01:07:18: Is having a sin itself as a isn't as a thing by it, you know
01:07:24: It's a single solitary thing. Tell me if you would agree with this. So I'm not gonna preach a sermon, right?
01:07:30: All right, but but let's just take the the Romans 5 1 passage Therefore since we have been justified by faith we have peace with God through our
01:07:40: Lord Jesus Christ so this is a verse that I Often preach when
01:07:46: I open air when I do open air preaching And so and I'll and I'll mention, you know that there's
01:07:52: God seems to give a terms of terms of agreement This means that we are at war with God, right?
01:07:59: Why are we at war with God? Because we have broken God's law
01:08:04: Walk through it every one of us, but here comes Brayden Hey, Brayden Can you hear me?
01:08:12: Hey, sorry I'm kind of walking through He I can't yeah, there's every once in a while where I'll start stuttering.
01:08:21: We're like there'll be like Yeah, two minutes of like catch up Now I'm walking through real quick Kind of a way that I open air preach to see if you agree or don't agree so like take
01:08:36: Romans 5 1 It seems here that That God has set a term of agreements
01:08:45: Now this why is there terms? Why does God have to set terms of agreements because we're at war with God How is it?
01:08:54: Why is it we're at war with God? Well because we have broken God's law We have lied.
01:09:00: We have stolen we have looked with us. This is the Transcendent law, right?
01:09:06: You don't have to be a Christian to be under this law. This is transcend it, right?
01:09:12: We've broken God's law Therefore because we have broken God's law God himself gives us the terms of peace and it is faith in Jesus Christ right, and so When I call someone and so I'll say so repent turn from your
01:09:33: Selfish ways turn from trusting in yourself turn and put your faith in Jesus Christ All right, and let's say if I just leave it there
01:09:46: Is that gospel sufficient? Of course,
01:09:52: I'm preaching the reign of Christ. I'm doing I'm trying to preach the whole song I'm just kind of giving you the just I'm talking about sin and then
01:09:59: I follow by it's faith in Jesus Christ Yeah, it's you know, it was turn because you said they're turning from sin and turning to Christ Well, I didn't say turn from sin.
01:10:08: I said well, I didn't use the word sin I said stop trusting in your repent repent
01:10:15: Turn from your self -righteousness Stop trusting in your way and trust in God's way, which is
01:10:23: Jesus Christ, right? not I Would agree with that, you know today because that's the as I would say that that's the that's sin
01:10:33: Yeah, you know Yeah, so so let me read this and then
01:10:39: Y 'all can take the ropes. So again 1689 chapter 14 save in faith.
01:10:46: We all Agree with this. So this will be section 2 of 14
01:10:52: Only paragraph 2 section, I think it's actually section 10
01:11:00: But the principle act of saving faith focuses directly on Christ accepting receiving resting upon him alone for justification sanctification and eternal life by virtue of the covenant of grace
01:11:22: That is beautiful Amen. So again this faith I see here
01:11:28: I'll just like in Acts 2 repent and be baptized. I would see that that repentance there is faith this faith here
01:11:36: I would see as repentance in the salvific sense of Not trusting in myself, but trusting
01:11:43: Christ. I would not see this as the daily sanctification Right Right, and that's
01:11:50: I agree with that like that's where I make that I Just want everyone else to be clear of what we're saying
01:11:59: Yeah We are wrestling with terms and trying to deal with my new shit here.
01:12:05: Yeah But this is I mean, but but I'd say brothers that this is what this is important because if we we don't want to give off the
01:12:17: The impression that hey that your Daily repenting of sins is what is salvific.
01:12:25: No, that is actually what Philippians 2 12 tells us about working out your salvation in fear and fruit worthy of repentance
01:12:36: Right, right, you know and so that there's that just like we you know speak of you know grace
01:12:43: You know, we talk of saving grace and then we were like we pray and God I need your grace in my life
01:12:50: We're not talking about the same thing. We got a similar word. We got the same word, but we've got different denotations here that we're that we're presenting and so when we're talking about repent the initial repentance that of repent believe the gospel
01:13:09: We're not Saying that hey, you're you know, I'm not saying that you're
01:13:16: Forsaking of your of your of the sins that your sin expresses itself in What we're saying is, you know is that we're saying that your sin the the
01:13:32: Rebellious nature, you know, you put it your self -righteousness that you know you as King Bro Get off the throne is what we're saying get off the throne because it's
01:13:44: Jesus's in that and that's what I think and I think that's When I when I'm saying repentance of sin is get off the throne because you're it ain't yours, bro
01:13:56: Brayden Amen, I a lot of it has been breaking out for me guys. I won't lie to you.
01:14:02: I was right. So just just say amen I'm just gonna say Amen Are you in a new place?
01:14:11: Yeah No, I just moved my bookshelf. So I I don't look as smart right now Okay, I don't have all the fancy stuff behind me.
01:14:19: So no, I'm I'm right now at my house I live at it right now
01:14:25: We're trying to move to the church parsonage And so I'm in the process of moving and that's
01:14:31: I've been super super busy these last couple of weeks doing a lot of that So and I I can tell you
01:14:37: Stay in the office for this. Don't go in the house to do the podcast. Yeah Yeah, I've been there done that.
01:14:43: Yeah, and I yeah, I no doubt it'll be in the office for sure I'm actually excited.
01:14:49: I'm gonna take this computer so I can have two computers in the office. I'm gonna be like Well, it's gonna make me from smart to mega smart.
01:14:56: Just get help make me from down to just even that Yeah Yeah, and so then
01:15:07: Yeah, no, I the only thing I was gonna say just in my thinking on what I was able to hear from everybody on this you know when we so Trying to say
01:15:22: Hebrews chapter 8 has been on my mind a bundle these last couple of weeks Hebrews 8 verses 8 through 12
01:15:31: That says that I will make or effect a new covenant with the house of Israel with the house of Judah Not like the covenant that I made with their forefathers in the day when
01:15:42: I took them by the hand for I did not care for them or Depending on if you're reading from Jeremiah 31 31 through 34 regardless For in this covenant that I will make with the house of Israel They will no longer say to each one his neighbor and each one his brother
01:15:58: No, God for they shall all know me from the least to the greatest of them And I will write my law in their minds and I will write it upon their hearts
01:16:08: For I shall be their God and they shall be my people What and then after that it talks about that it says that that I will forgive the iniquities and I will remember their sins no more when when
01:16:21: I think of Just this covenant this new covenant is covenant of grace that we're in and this was coming to my mind as you read the 1689 and Talking about by the virtue of the covenant
01:16:32: The new covenant of the covenant of grace that we are in When we are made new new covenant members
01:16:41: And I I would say that the process of being made that new covenant member.
01:16:47: Is that transferral of Looking away from your sin. That's it's it's it's the ripping out of the the world and Being placed into something that is out of this world that the kingdom that is not of this realm and human
01:17:02: And so I mean there's a there's a plethora of examples and analogies that I think we could think of when we talk about this but when
01:17:08: I think of that type of faith that that is what
01:17:14: I do think that is the The changing of the heart the the repent and believe of mark 1 15 or Matthew 4 17 that being ripped out and being made a new covenant member is
01:17:30: Coming to know with knowing God him knowing you having this relationship being a member of it because Christ has done the work on your behalf and And part of being this new covenant member means that you have that law written on your heart.
01:17:45: You now know better you you now Seek to glorify God with obeying him and that brings along repentance that brings along that sanctification and Again that comes about and that's a grace and granting of from God to be able to do those kind of things
01:18:04: But I think that when a lot of people I think it's I think a lot of people and that was someone the hesitations
01:18:10: I had to when I said no is repentance necessary for salvation or is Forsaking of sin necessary for salvation and not an initial question the reason
01:18:19: I said no to it is because I think a lot of people think that repentance means when we're talking about it salvifically is the is the
01:18:28: Stop doing something you Are sorry for it you go and do this you it's a process ordeal
01:18:35: Like I said with the LDS the process LDS of repentance is you sin on Monday you apologize on Tuesday You feel bad about it on Wednesday.
01:18:44: You pray to God about it on Thursday and Friday you do something else Saturday you do something else
01:18:49: Sunday comes along and you take Sacrament right and that's when repentance happens is on Sunday.
01:18:55: So you go six days without repentance You only get that on Sunday. And so in my mind
01:19:01: That's where I think a lot of people have this thought of what repentance is and so that's why I would say no in in the general definition of repentance and understanding of Forsaking sins
01:19:14: Using that plural. No It's not it's not right And that that's where I just I've been really convicted by that Hebrews I think
01:19:24: I've probably read it in every one of our podcasts for the last two months probably Hebrews chapter 8.
01:19:29: Keep reading it brother. It's amazing. I just love it. It's like it just destroys every it's just amazing
01:19:36: It's great. So Yeah, so like in the secular view like him
01:19:42: From where I came from when I first heard repentance My thought was well, how long do
01:19:47: I have to be stopped doing something for salvation to kick in? Yeah, right, you know like when
01:19:54: I first started reading the Bible and hearing people talk So again, I started reading the Bible 2001.
01:20:00: I didn't actually Trust Christ for my salvation into 2005
01:20:08: That's first time. I heard the gospel preach proclaim. It was by Ray comfort right, but it was still that idea of You know, how long do
01:20:19: I have to stop doing something before something actually takes root in me?
01:20:26: Because there was moments where I you know, like, you know, like even before that happened. I mean I was fasting
01:20:31: I was you know doing all kind of stuff, you know praying reading You know,
01:20:37: I was you know actively trying to stop sinning. I wasn't trusting
01:20:45: Christ Right. You see what I'm saying? There's a big difference there versus now my trust and faith is in Christ.
01:20:56: He has died for my sins and Because of that I live in the fruit of what he has done looking to him and now
01:21:06: You know The fight begins within myself Through his grace.
01:21:12: It's a lot. It's it's you know, it's so much easier now to turn from sin than it was before Trusting in Christ because all
01:21:19: I was doing was looking at myself and I could see everything In that in that typical thinking of repentance meaning stopping sinning
01:21:30: Would you say that that would be? Maybe not in its fullness a fair definition of what?
01:21:37: sanctification in repentance looks like Attempting to stop sinning. Absolutely. Absolutely.
01:21:43: Yeah. Yeah, but but I would say that it's not it's not me looking to myself So I guess the the analogy of the of The dog race right the the
01:21:57: Greyhounds lining up to race, you know They're they're at the line a mechanical rabbit pops up and it's propelled in front of them and they take off running
01:22:07: And they're looking at the rabbit that's how I see the Christian life should be if at any time
01:22:14: I stop looking at Christ to To look for fruit in myself
01:22:22: Like you said last time I'm gonna bump into another dog Right, but as long as So as long as I'm focused on Christ Repentance in my life is actively taking place
01:22:34: Fruit in my life is actively taking place Right, but whenever I stop looking at Christ Seeing more sin
01:22:48: That's when I fall the moment my eyes Stop looking at Christ and I look to myself wherever that might be
01:22:57: That's whenever I fall into sin But as long as I'm looking at Christ who is propelled in front of me and I'm running my race
01:23:06: That's when I'm actively Bearing fruit keeping with repentance. That's when actually
01:23:14: Like when it comes to fruit I shouldn't be able to I shouldn't deserve fruit for myself, but you
01:23:20: You know if we're together daily weekly, whatever you should be able to see the fruit of my life
01:23:25: I should be able to see the fruit in your life The fruits not for you to see in your own life.
01:23:31: Other people should see the fruit It's kind of like that faith without works is dead idea
01:23:37: Other people should see the works in your life. You don't worry about the works you worry about looking to Christ When we're looking to Christ That's whenever we're actively keeping
01:23:49: Bearing fruit keeping with repentance and that we're actively Doing what we're supposed to do
01:23:57: Eyes off Christ fall into sin. He's gone again
01:24:04: That that that Southern Idaho Internet I Was thinking maybe if he was you know, like he
01:24:11: I knew it was moving I was thinking maybe either in the transition. Maybe he doesn't have any good internet or something right now
01:24:20: And he just text and said dang internet That's okay, man. We're we're almost an hour and 30 minutes in so we'll just Was this close out
01:24:32: I think we got our point across Yeah, I think so We didn't fight so no and this is where I think it said it's
01:24:44: I guess one of the things that I you know Stood out to me between both both you both you and Brayden is kind of a
01:24:54: It's reticence like, you know, because we eat people are gonna hear Your repentance and they're like, well, what do
01:25:01: I got to stop doing? What do I got to stop doing what I got and how long do I have to stop doing it before the salvation kicks in?
01:25:11: That's not at all when when hey, he's back I'm back. I went told my internet to repent.
01:25:17: All right, so All right You know, it's a like You know how prevalent of an idea is that where people hear repentance and I and actually
01:25:30: I say brother you you may know you You say Jeff that you know, you were doing that up until 2005 when you came to faith in Christ is
01:25:38: You know the repentance that you were doing was a was a worldly repentance was right
01:25:43: What was not the repentance that you were commanded to to exert? It wasn't a you know, you were still trying to serve both bail and Yahweh, right and That's not this that that's not what we're called to as we've been called to serve
01:25:59: Yahweh and to kick bail to the curb to defile
01:26:06: You know the the Asherah polls to go full Josiah and take a leak on everything
01:26:13: You know and just defile it You know, it's not just it's not like let me get this one thing that's after the fact but it is a it is a
01:26:25: It's a disposition That I think it comes down to the Confession that's been getting us killed for 2 ,000 years
01:26:34: Jesus is Lord to the glory of God the Father.
01:26:40: That's right. Will you holla back? All right guys,
01:26:48: I got to get off yeah, I think that was I think that was sufficient
01:26:54: Copy that. All right No, no for understanding
01:27:02: Sufficient for understanding. All right God bless guys. Love you guys. Love you too, man.
01:27:08: Any last words Greg? I think I've said enough All right. Well As always if you ever in Tallahoma come check us out