Is repentance of sin necessary for salvation

All right, we are live ladies and gentlemen.

My name is Jeff and I am one of the elders of Covenant

Reformed Baptist Church here in, Tallahoma, Tennessee.

If you ever in Tennessee, please come and check us out and I'm here with my good buddies Braden and Greg.

Braden introduce yourself, brother.

Jeff you're the only ten I see.

No, and I'm also disappointed that we don't.

I'm also disappointed right now that we didn't have the.

The typical intro of you doing the song right there that was a little disappointing thing.

I mean I can kick it off.

I.

Just forgot.

Anyway, yeah, no.

It's all good no worries.

Pastor Braden Patterson from Valley Baptist Church in Hagerman, Idaho.

If you live around Hagerman, I'd love to see you on church throughout the week and be able to

fellowship and worship God together.

I also have a YouTube channel called reformed ex -mormon and I'm so blessed to be with these

Wonderful brothers here tonight on open -air theology, and I'll now I'll pass it up to.

Break.

Yeah.

Hey, I'm.

I'm Greg mooring jr.

I am the former pastor of Valley Baptist Church.

And.

Currently am a member a joyful member at First Baptist Church of Cullman here in Cullman

right in Cullman, Florida.

It's about 45 minutes away from my house.

We live.

I live in Umatilla, Florida.

So if you are in the general vicinity of Cullman.

You know 45 minutes to an hour at most.

I recommend please.

Come visit us at First Baptist of Cullman if you're looking for a good 1689 church

in central, Florida.

I know it's a unicorn but it does exist.

Very good, very good.

So how y 'all gentlemen been?

I know it's been a while since we've been able to get on and and be able to do a podcast.

I speak with with Braden through our text messages pretty pretty frequently.

But I haven't heard much from Greg.

Greg is a friend of the show and we have him on here as often as he's able to get on here.

Is there any kind of like do you have a YouTube channel or anything where you do any other

stuff on I.

Don't.

Because it's kind of out of on purpose.

Like I just I just don't engage in that stuff.

I mean I've have You know stuff out there stuff exists but not

anything where I've actually.

My wife has you said sometimes that maybe I should actually have a YouTube channel where we can actually Consolidate all of

the stuff that exists out there.

You know with the sermons that I've preached either at Eastside or at Val Valley Baptist or you

know I'll be preaching this in not this Sunday, but the 6th and 13th.

Filling in for our pastor while he and his family are out on vacation.

So I'll be preaching then I go.

I've done a lot of Pulpit supply around in the area and I record my stuff.

I just don't upload it anywhere.

It's more of I just listen to my own stuff to see how heretical I am after the fact.

Right, right.

I I am the same way man.

I am my biggest critic.

Sometimes I think I'm in the pulpit.

I think man, this is going good.

I come home and listen to it.

It's like man, I dropped the ball.

But then there's time where I feel like nothing's going right in the pulpit and come home and listen to him.

That's pretty good.

Like I said that.

Wow, that's pretty insightful.

I should I should quote myself sometime.

Yeah, so don't trust yourself.

If you think you're doing good you're probably not.

No no.

I don't know if you if you guys do this, but like I'll be critiquing myself while I'm preaching.

Yeah, like it like in the moment and it's like Oh Lord help me.

Because you got to help me cuz I can.

This is yeah, this is this is turning out to be whoo.

Yeah, and I'm fairly new to preaching week after week.

I mean when I first started in ministry preaching You know, it's preaching at the jail.

So I preach at the jail You know once a month sometimes twice a month and then I started preaching on the radio, but I was doing that every

Saturday.

But but but the messages wasn't really long 15 -20 minute message or

whatever.

So what really much and You know just here and there preaching stuff like that.

But for the last two and a half years, it's You know every Lord's Day, right?

I'm in the pulpit and so.

It's it's it's you know, um, I like to think I'm developing like I'm growing in my

preaching.

But uh, you know, it is what it is.

Yeah, I've I Know this time has gone on the more I realize how.

How many rabbits I like to chase?

Oh, yeah, you know, I'm.

Regular old.

Did you preach with an outline or a manuscript?

Oh, I actually will use a full manuscript in because I know that there's so many rabbits that I

have the potential of chasing because my mind will.

Will fire like a while again while preaching there'll be something that will come up.

And.

If I don't have the.

If I don't have the manuscript there.

It will it has it has a chance to go way off the rails, right?

But I mean if I have the manuscript I am able to be able to kind of like in the moment assess whether what's

happening here needs to come out of here.

And it will it fit.

Mm -hmm.

If not, it's like okay shut up and stick to the manuscript.

Because I've already actually pre preached it which is what you know for me the manuscript is.

Actually, I've pre preached it through right for the to the keyboard.

All right.

What about you Brighton?

Do you preach with a manuscript?

No, I do.

I do a I.

I don't know if this term is correct, but I would say that it's a skeleton bullet -point just reference sheet that I

usually use and I usually try to do it where like.

This was from this last Sunday.

This is what mine looks like.

So all of it that's all of it.

So I I'll do a title.

You haven't seen sloppy until you see.

But yeah, usually usually I do like a title at the top just to help me keep what the theme or what the message the

Overarching point of it is.

So I title all my messages and then from there then I go Just by verse with bullet

points of the important things I want to talk about usually in my head as I do it throughout the.

Week.

I like I have like a recorded Manuscript in my head that like almost everything that I say on a

Sunday like there are sometimes that I go down the rabbit trail.

But in my head I already have it What I'm gonna say.

And it usually comes out in some some format that way.

So I'm about to start having a preaching workshops at my church to offer to

the Existing churches around us and those that are inspiring to preach.

So I plan on doing some on preaching teaching and open -air preaching and and one -on -one

evangelism.

Yeah, and also that way it'll help us to get to know the neighboring churches and stuff like

yeah.

What.

Notes do you do for your preaching Jeff?

I do about.

70 % manuscript, but it's more of a detailed outline.

Yeah, yeah, and and and it's very very nicely written now.

So let me.

So I use an iPad.

You use an iPad.

Yeah and I.

And I download everything to a let's call notes.

I don't know if you can see that.

There for a second.

It's censored.

Yeah, and then you know, it's just page by page or whatever.

Cool.

I usually have about 14 14 pages like that and cool.

Yeah, do you write yourself a great or do you do a electronic one like that?

Okay, so let me.

Let me show you how.

Okay, yeah.

So, this is my typical preaching Bible which you Braden you've seen these things up close

yeah.

That's an assault weapon.

It is it's like a six -pound Bible.

That's a Mac brick.

Yeah, so if you look right here that is My notes

like in John one Of me like me breaking it down.

Okay.

Now I will take something like that I can't I can't.

But I take that and then I'll actually I will I will actually expand on that because that ends up being like the bullet

points that I've been able to kind of build a build a manuscript out of but as I'm

as I'm doing my Sermon stuff.

This is what.

So far, this is so this is what I'm dealing with Philippians.

Which this is really I've got chicken scratch, I don't that's why I'll eventually type it out.

But I'll go through like my cross references.

You know ideas of like and then I've you know I've got here or a thing of like keywords like just to get

a sense of it and then Kind of the last thing that I end up going through is as I'm going through my

comment.

Like I'll I will write down here like questions that I have of the text and going

verse by verse asking What are the questions that are coming up in my mind as I'm reading this

that if I were?

You know having to on -the -fly interpret what am I asking and how am I going to do that and Then

the next thing I'll have here where as I'm going through my my commentaries and things like that

I will write down all like Pertinent like you like quotes

that I'm like, well, that would be really helpful.

I don't use all of this.

Which is why I go, you know, I have the potential of going off on a rabbit trails because I will have read so much

And studied so much that it's like hey.

As a for instance, I you know, I'm filling in here in Philippians.

I'll be in Philippians 2 12 through 16 in on the 6th and

then 17 through 24 the following week.

Mm -hmm.

The section that I'm preaching on the 6th, I'm right now reading MacArthur's commentary what I'm going to be preaching

in one week.

It's three chapters in this commentary.

You know, it's it's three full chapters, you know, like verse 12 alone.

Is that it's like a 12 page chapter.

Which so it's like one sermon is essentially what it is so it's like three sermons that he's that I'm gonna be like.

You know.

I'm gonna be dealing with in three or a one sermon that you know could could have the potential of going for three.

And so that like it's this really long process that I go through to where eventually

like once I've read all my Commentaries and I've kind of I've got a title I've got like this maybe the three main

points.

If I actually come up with the main points I'll sit down and then I'll actually just type.

I'll just I'll type a manuscript From like just from scratch and if I've got my

notes, I'll I'll use those build it out and Whatnot but it's a

it's a pretty lengthy process.

Yeah, I personally have to have an iPad.

Like my my handwriting is terrible and I can't spell that good so.

Like I.

Don't I don't even like I know this might sound crazy, but like I will look down at

my notes if I need to like remember a reference or if I Started to go down a rabbit trail, but

it a lot of times I don't.

There have been some sermons that I preach that it's so in my mind of what I What

I'm wanting to say and what I've studied that I don't even typically look down.

I just keep eye contact with everybody and look down at the Word of God and.

It's I cannot I cannot do that like I used to do that really listen in the Assemblies of God I'd

walk around the room and just talk to people and stuff like that.

But now I of course like in the Assemblies of God churches, you know, you have a light on you and everything else

is dark.

Now, you know, you can see everything really good and man if I look at somebody it will just

throw me off.

Really?

Yeah, so even if I have my section memorized in my You know like in my

iPad, I'm still looking down toward my iPad.

But then you know, like, but you know, like I'm engaging the crowd, but I don't intentionally

Look too long.

Because it will just throw me off track.

And so I'm looking down.

I'm looking up and I'll make a point look around and I'm looking back down.

I'm just I'm basically in the text in my notes.

And then I'll look up and stuff like that, but.

Yeah, my mine will be a situate like where maybe some hybrid in that like this I

will I will read the manuscript a word for word like I could hand you if somebody was

like.

Can I have your sermon notes?

I could hand them my sermon Manuscript and they're gonna have about 95 to 98

percent of what I preached.

Because in the moment, well, there will also be a sit times when You know,

you know, we'll count it.

Maybe you know the Spirit of God you like it.

On that bringing something memory at that moment, you know bringing up a point.

I didn't even think about up until I was preaching.

And.

Well, you know will actually Make you know pretty you know

good make caught, you know.

Contact visual contact with with people.

Because I don't because I am so reliant on a manuscript which I preached the manuscript I don't just read

it I actually preach it and I know how where I want to inflect.

I don't put even like like as I'm as I again as I said, I'm pre preaching it while I'm typing and

so when I get up to preach I Know where somebody may not they may just look okay.

It's just an exclamation point or maybe there's something there.

Like I know like as I'm You know preaching it out loud.

Like where hey, I wanted to lower my voice to to draw in You know somebody.

Or to raise my voice to to pound the pulpit because I you know.

I'm a pretty I don't know any of that man.

He just happens in the moment.

Yeah, like if I'm just you know as I'm studying through and then like Sunday morning as I read through my notes I'm like this

thing don't make any sense.

But.

Right, you know like everything changes, right?

So let's get on the topic.

Let's say we're 16 minutes in.

We haven't even touched it.

What's up?

Haps?

Kicking it so our topic for today is It's pretty much controversial and I think

there's gonna be some push and pull with us three tonight.

But it is this is repentance of sin

Necessary for salvation and so Yes, or no.

You want to say no, I'm gonna say no.

What do you say Brayden?

I can't just say yes or no.

Say no.

I'm gonna say no great.

Yes or no I must say yes with qualifications.

Yes with qualifications.

Okay, so now let's get into it so so whenever

right here like I purposely put salvation.

Yeah, I purposely put salvation versus justification.

So if I want to be You know more narrow. I

would say justification that Repentance turning from

sins is not necessary.

It's not salvific when it comes to justification.

So so so let's just look at the word salvation real quick before we kind of dive into it and push and

pull so salvation It just means Rescue

right if if a little girl or a little boy was playing in the middle of the road and a car

was Belling at him or her and I see what's about to take

place and I take off running and I Get this child this boy or

this girl out of the road Seconds before the car hits them in one sense.

You can say that I was their salvation.

I Rescued them right and you are a firefighter, right?

You have probably been someone's salvation or you know someone that was someone's

salvation in that sense of Rescuing someone from a fire or

whatever it is Resuscitating them like that's all the word means.

Now salvation in the biblical sense being it being salvific.

We're talking about God Us being dead and our trespasses and sins

and made alive To Christ's right being seated in the heavenlies being

born again given faith to believe.

So I would say in that sense us being born again

Repentance of sins turning forsaken sins is not

Necessary and we'll get into it a little more.

I just want to kind of Scare the crap out of people.

And so let's just let's just go from there.

You know, I so I I'll start off by reading a Bible verse real fast because I do think that they're like

Greg said with qualifications, there's gonna be a lot of qualifications.

I think we're gonna talk about tonight.

No, right.

Are you able to hear me?

Okay.

Yeah, I hear you.

Fine Greg.

Just perfect.

So mark 1 chapter 14 to 15.

I really like this verse because I think it teaches us a lot about our own preaching like we were just talking about what it.

Should look like what it should sound like mark 1 verses 14 and 15.

Yes.

Mark 1 chapter 14 and 15.

Yeah.

Yeah, mark.

Chapter 1 verses 14 through 15.

Yeah, we're gonna read chapter 14 and 15 and I think guys we're gonna read chapter 1 14 and 15.

Chapter 17 to what we're at it.

That's right.

Yes, that was a my favorite mark.

The extended extended version.

But verse 14 and 15 says this and after John had been taken into custody Jesus came

into Galilee Preaching the gospel of God and saying the time is fulfilled

and the kingdom of God is at hand repent and Believe in the gospel.

So I would first say like before I even Talk a little bit about this.

Is that as as pastors preachers evangelists teachers as Christians we even though

Jeff and I and Greg I know said yes to the Repentance is necessary for salvation, but Jeff and I

said no.

None of us are saying that we as pastors preachers teachers evangelists are not to go to the world and tell them to repent

believe in the gospel.

That is Literally my message.

I usually have with every single person I talked to on the street corner when I'm doing evangelism repent and believe in the

gospel, right?

And so when when I just don't want somebody to come in and take this podcast and

say well like Jeff somebody in your church comes and says well Jeff you said that repentance

isn't necessary.

It's not needed and you don't believe that.

That one needs to repent like I do not want that to have happened.

I don't want somebody to come in and take this out of context tonight, right?

We're talking about the very means of what Christ did on the cross.

What it looks like to us and how these things play out.

And so we're kind of I'm assuming that there's gonna be some splitting of the hairs, but there's gonna probably be some contention and whatnot.

But I just I bet I just wanted to say that real fast.

Well, notice I did.

Notice I didn't say repentance wasn't necessary.

Yeah, I said turning from seeing sin.

Yeah, is it necessary in?

And in the South the moment of salvation.

Yes.

Okay, and well, we're gonna walk through that.

Well, it's because because one of the things that you said is you actually in and this is I guess I

said this were Qualifications right is you had said sins earlier

and now you just said sin Singular so you went from plural to singular and that's actually where I think when

we start talking qualifications.

That's where I'm going is where my.

Turning and forsaken sins like like

seeing our first.

Does one have to forsake sin in order to be saved.

I Think that will be more in Line of what I'm thinking.

Does one have to forsake sin in order to be.

Justified.

Given faith to believe.

Now the court and I guess the question I would I would ask is again We're trying to figure out to you

know, it stay away from as much contention as possible and you know

Is the question that I've got then is What what are we intending by

forsaking of sin?

Are we talking a Disposition that says

I hate sin it crucified Jesus I'm believing

Jesus speak, you know, I'm turning to Jesus Because he died for my for me in my sin,

you know to pay for my sin or you know a game Having

an established disposition that says, you know, not that every single

sin that I commit That I have to in the moment of

my my faith You know might be the initiation of my faith when you know, you know post

regeneration is You know is the act of being born again,

which comes before all of this right that You know,

right so, you know is You know when you're talking from an experiential

standpoint like what I do in You know what I'm commanded

to do as a result of my of the being born again

What am I what is the God's expectation upon me?

Is it established there being an established disposition for it hatred towards sin?

Or.

You know, is it?

Okay every sin that I commit I am I'm literally

stopping all of it right now.

Like I'm never sinning ever again.

If if we're talking that second thing, that's absolutely not what I believe because it would be foolhardy because

We have an entire process of sanctification that we have to go through but what I'm saying is a disposition at the

moment out as an outpouring of having already been born again through

regeneration by the Holy Spirit because that that precedes my Declaration of my

faith and this is you know I would say that the Christian faith or what God what the Lord Jesus is expecting of us and command

Commanding of us which he actually the thing is is what he gives us is A

repentant belief that are that saving faith is a repentant belief That is a

gift from God by the Holy Spirit who's regenerated us prior to us expressing

that so that's That they get though if you know, that's my qualification

is I'm not I'm not saying hey the the drunk Is going to instantaneously the

expectations that instantaneously is giving up alcohol.

But he has a disposition that's established to say whatever whatever as I'm reading the Bible and you know

that I'm being Convicted of sin that I have the disposition of putting that stuff to death.

That.

That's what I guess that's how I would how I would define that when when I'm understanding repentance, you know from

a.

Beginning of it all so Brayden in in in Mark chapter 1

Verse 15 Jesus says the time is fulfilled the kingdom of God is at

hand.

Repent and believe in the gospel.

Where it says repent, what is he telling them to repent from?

Yeah He's speaking to the people of Galilee.

And so these are people that in their minds.

They think that they're worshiping God, but they are obviously not because Jesus is telling them to repent.

They are in their sins.

They.

But they're trusting God is is their trust in God.

But what is their trust the people that he's saying this to.

Yeah.

In there in the sacrificial system.

Yeah, right their trust was in the Mosaic law Sacrificial

system.

That's what their trust was in.

We're right with God Because of this order that's laid out before us

They believe they was in the kingdom which they were they were the physical kingdom people but the

declared the the the proclamation see the gospel if you preach the gospel

without preaching the kingdom of God, it's it's not a Full robust

gospel.

So something's missing.

Yeah, right without preaching the reign of the reign of God.

And so the idea the idea that I see going on here.

And I want to hash it out over here and in the in the book of Acts so if you go to Acts

chapter 2 The Holy Spirit comes

right there they tongues of fire come upon them they're proclaiming the

magnificent works of God and In other tongues and this in

this tongues that I believe is not gibberish.

This is other languages.

You had Jews traveling in for the for the festival from all

around the oikomen a that the known world and they would have been you know had

Speaking in different languages and as these Jews were coming in for the festival.

They were hearing these Galileans these uneducated Galileans

Proclaim the magnificent works of God in their own language.

All right, so they're hearing the gospel Preached like I just want to read.

Let's see

Verse 29 of Acts chapter 2 says brothers.

Now he's speaking to Jews.

I may say to you with confidence about the patriarch David that he both

died and was buried and He and his tomb is

with us to this day being there for a prophet and knowing that God Had shown

with has sworn with an oath To him that he would set one of his descendants

on his throne.

He foresaw and spoke about the resurrection of Christ.

So right here Speaking of death barrel resurrection Christ sitting on

his throne.

This would have been the kingdom a full robust gospel.

That he was not abandoned to Hades nor did his flesh see corruption this

Jesus God raised up and That we are all witnesses being therefore

exalted at the right hand of God and having received from The father the promise

of the Holy Spirit.

He has poured out this that you yourselves are seeing and hearing for David did not

ascend into heaven.

But he himself says the Lord said to my Lord sit at my right hand.

Until I make your enemies a footstool for your feet.

Verse 36.

Now he's calling them to action with all the house of Israel.

Therefore know for certain that God has made him speaking of Christ both Lord

and Christ this Jesus right here whom you crucified.

So they didn't believe that Jesus was the Messiah.

Right, these people didn't actually nail Jesus to the cross, but

but they're told that.

You know, you know like I think it's x4.

Is it an x4 where they're told that they are yeah something like that.

So, okay.

So yeah, so verse 37 now when they heard this they were cut to the heart.

And they said to Peter and the rest of the Apostles brothers.

What shall we do?

And Peter said to them repent and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness

of your sins and you'll receive The whole the gift of the Holy Spirit for the promises for you

and for your children and all those who are far off Who the Lord may who the Lord our God calls to

himself.

Okay, let's just stop there so My argument here is that their

repentance?

That they're called to do.

It's it's not that it's that they did not believe that Jesus was the Messiah.

Crucify him crucify him.

Give us Barabbas crucify him, you know the Jews right Jews people as a whole.

They did not trust in him repentance here would have been what I would say repentance

and faith the initial salvific repentance of faith.

For them would have been stopped trusting in your sacrificial system and trust in what God has given to us, which is

Christ.

So like for for my day and time.

People trust in their own selves or people trust in Mormon doctrine people trust in

Islam people trust in whatever it is, you know, you might not have a religion you trust the man in the mirror.

Salvific repentance when God grants to us faith and repentance salvific Lee.

It's that we Repent metanoia.

Turn, you know turn from what you're worshiping to worshiping God.

That is the initial repentance now after that is when

Turning from sin takes place.

The act of because listen if you have to be if you have to if you have to

Forsake sin and we can get into the marrow controversy if you have to forsake sin in order to be

saved.

That is a work.

I have to stop doing.

Versus I no longer believe I'm.

I no longer believe in myself.

I no longer believe in Joseph Smith.

I no longer believe in Islam.

I believe in Christ.

So that's the argument for the marrow controversy a group of Presbyterians.

I can't remember what century it was a long time ago.

They were asked as one have to forsake sin in order to be saved.

They all replied.

Yes one of them came back and recanted and This is where this controversy

comes up if one has to forsake sin in order to be saved.

That's them having to do something versus God given us faith to

believe so if God gives you faith to believe.

You were at one time believing and trusting in something else.

Me it was the man in the mirror right, I Didn't come out of Mormonism for for

Braden.

It would have probably been his Mormon doctrine.

I don't know.

I don't know your background, but for the Jews they trusted in the sacrificial system.

You know.

You mind if I interject something real fast, and it might not be fast if I interject real real quickly.

I Agree completely with what you're saying.

I think what?

So let me Let me read a text real fast.

Explain.

Let me then talk about my own situation, and let me explain a little bit more here.

So.

Galatians chapter 5.

Verses.

2 through 4.

Behold I Paul say to you that if you receive circumcision Christ will be no benefit to you.

And I testify again to every man who receives circumcision He's under obligation to keep the whole law.

You have been severed from Christ you who are seeking to be justified by the law you have fallen from grace.

The reason I read that is that this is coming from Judaizers that are telling the Christian though you need to do this in order to

actually be saved you need to do this to actually have salvation.

Proselytizing proselytize.

Yes absolutely and so.

When we consider the the Council of Scripture, and we understand no one is righteous.

No not one no one does good.

No one is able to please God.

No one seeks after God.

We are unable to do so because we're children of wrath by nature children of wrath dead in our sins

if if we were to tell somebody that is unconverted that by them.

Stopping doing something.

That's how they get saved.

That's a workspace salvation and not only that but let me now apply this into a very personal situation right when I

was LDS.

There were times that I repented of sins there were times that I stopped doing my sins when I was LDS.

Now the issue is were those ever salvific did that ever bring about salvation.

Did that ever bring about a true faith in God?

Absolutely not because my repentance was turning.

Let's just give for example.

Let's say I stole something right and me being my LDS mindset.

Okay, my salvation is now in jeopardy.

I need to repent from what I did not steal again, and what have I just now done?

I have now turned not to the cross, but my heart has changed to look to myself as a reliance of salvation.

It's I went from sin to sin and I was a repentance of sin right a repentance into sin in that way it

was it and so for a Person that believed in Judah being a Judaizer right

or they became a Judaizer because of these Judaizers.

They weren't ever a Christian to begin with because what they had done is that they said oh, okay?

That's fair and then they went to a system in order to be saved and that's what when we say that one has to

repent of sin and If somebody understands that as

okay, I'm a drunkard.

I just need to stop drinking in order to be saved.

Well.

No that that's not the reality of it.

You need to look to Jesus Christ and his finished work that he did through his life death burial and resurrection.

That's how you saved and then we can talk about the drunkenness after that.

But there's a difference between repentance in the sense of a changing of a heart that happens in regeneration.

Having the law written on your mind and in your heart being made this new covenant member that

that I would I would say that's the repentance of Salvation whereas then the what comes

along after that the ongoing sanctification that we have the ongoing repentance that you and I.

As Christians were always repenting right we're always trying to turn away from sin sins

and so I would say that that's the repentance of sanctification the repentance of justification is the being

born again and not any longer looking to.

Looking to I would say in one sense.

I would say in one sense our repentance like Let's say I fall into sin

All right, and and God Through his grace grants me repentance.

That repentance also is a repentance of in salvation.

It's just not the salvific the idea of the moment of justification.

Like even in sanctification him granted to us repentance is him Rescuing us

from our sins.

Right, we have to understand what the word of salvation is like even in our 1689 which we

all hold to on the idea of

Repentance, let me find it real quick.

Yeah chapter 15 deals with repentance the

It's it's really short, but I won't read it all but let me find this Really

good quote here.

Yeah.

Yeah, so section 2 it says there is no one who does good and

Does not sin even the best fall into great sin and offense

through the power and the deceitfulness of The corruption in them along

with the strength of temptation.

Therefore God has mercifully Provided in the covenant of grace that

believers who sin and fall will be renewed through repentance to

salvation.

So they're already believers.

Right, but God provides repentance now that repentance is turning

from sin.

Right you and I every day we repent from sin we we we want

to turn from sin and we would say that even this is a Gracious gift given to us

from God.

My argument that I stand with the Merrill brothers.

Is that that the repentance that's given to us in?

Salvation is faith, so like when you go back to.

X.

The X passage where it says repent and be baptized.

It doesn't say believe because repent there is belief.

It's it's the two sides of the same coin.

It's you're turning from self -righteousness To God's righteousness, which is Christ.

And that self -righteousness could be a Mormon doctrine could be.

The sacrificial system under the law of the old covenant could be the like with me.

It was the man in the mirror.

All right, I worshiped myself and then I Stopped

worshiping myself turn change of mind turned and worship Christ.

That was the initial Salvation rescue.

God gave me faith to believe.

So I said I'm gonna say as the doctrines of grace go you say that that this comes about posterior

to that of regeneration, right.

Yes, so regeneration must precede faith and and and

repentant and.

Repentance follows faith.

The repentance that follows faith is turning from sins.

See right now life go ahead.

And this is where I agree with that.

Amen.

Yeah, so and this is where you know, if you know what I'm hearing here is.

And this is where again, I'm trying I want to make the distinction.

The question is repentance of sin not repentance of sins.

Must forsake sin.

So to forsake sin.

And I'm talking about My just so we're clear.

Let's say it's whatever you want it to be homosexuality.

What I'm like, let's just whatever sins greedy.

Like for me, I was a gangbanger.

A.

Drug addict a Fornicator.

Like like all the above I just Forsake sin.

So well that what you again, I think what you're defining is repentance of sins.

Like individual particular things that you commit.

Not the disposition of the heart.

That the disposition of the heart is one of sin that you know.

My children the moment they were conceived were sinners.

Right because and they were not not because they sinned.

But because they were sinners right.

And so that the disposition within their own flesh.

Whether before they know the left between the difference or left and the right is sin, right?

They don't know, you know, my one -year -old right now by and large.

Yeah, I may pop her butt when she's really hit throat pitching a fit.

It's because she's a sinner in which her heart's disposition is one of sin.

And that and I guess that and that's where I said what like for me the qualification is not hey the homosexual well, so that went

out there is that the moment that he believes in though that you know,

he repents and believes on the Lord Jesus Christ is.

Is.

Immediately at that moment that very second,

you know, am I saying that that man at that very second? has to stop

or and I would say he would have to stop because it's the natural outpouring that now that you believed in the Lord Jesus Christ now do what

he says.

But for that moment to say oh, hey, there's.

You know your homosexuality.

You know your your your your sodomiteness is What you have to forsake.

That's not the root problem.

The root problem is that you are a rebel at war with God and

you know in that, you know, we have that particular sin of Not

loving the Lord our God with all of our heart soul mind and strength of having.

You know having another God besides him and having made an idol.

That.

Wherever we're repenting of.

That.

Disposition.

Yeah, which I would category as.

Self -righteousness.

Well, and I would say that's in like, yeah, absolutely.

Yeah.

Yeah like that like that is and that's why I said like that's why I want to come with qualifications right.

Is that to mean that you have the Singular

sin like this embodiment of Everything that you are as a

sinner.

It's you know, you you commit sins because you're a sinner because within you is

Sin that sin resides within you and that that is what you're repenting of.

It's not necessarily all of the the things that Pour

out of your sinful flesh.

What you are rejecting is Sin itself the rebellion

which would maybe be the better way of even Indicating this as sin is Rebellion your

rebelliousness your that you are at war With the you

know, you're committing treason like and that's when I'm when I'm hearing sin as a as a

monolithic Thing and that's what I'm thinking.

Here's a monolithic thing.

Not the individual components that play out I'm hearing in saying and this is

you know, this is how you know, Braden.

I've been out on Friday nights doing evangelism together.

He may or may not have heard me to describe it as cosmic high treason You know against the high king of

heaven and that what when I'm saying repent is to you are at war

with him Stop drop your sword raise the white flag and so

that that is the what's the terms of it?

So so God sets the terms of agreement, right?

Right.

Like if we look at Philippians, I'm sorry Philippians.

Romans chapter 5.

All right.

So Romans chapter 5 verse 1 therefore since we have been justified by

faith We have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ, right?

So This gives you the idea that that that we are at for those that are

not in Christ.

They are at war.

I was at war you were at war right.

His terms for peace.

Was faith right?

Specifically right.

Trusting in his son Jesus Christ.

So right.

But you still have to lay down your arms is what I'm saying.

Is that you were laying down your arms and bowing the knee.

I said to you you're turning.

So for me it was not worship of myself.

Right, I.

Stopped that.

Which which I I would say I didn't do that every generation.

God grants me Repentance and faith right that the first repentance was turning from

myself.

The faith was believing in Christ.

Now since that has happened, you know, I've been justified.

Right now comes the fight right now comes the war within my

flesh.

Right.

Hello.

Which we battle still to the day and that's right like in the where I just read from the 1689

and I.

Let me mention again, which all three of us hotel use for for anyone.

That's that's watching.

The.

Very last part of it it says It says God has made full provision through Christ in

the covenant of grace to preserve believers in their salvation.

Thus although There is no sin too small That

is undeserving of damnation yet. There is no sin.

So great that that it will bring Damnation on those who repent.

So this is the believer who lives our life of repentance and this last statement says this makes

the constant preaching of repentance Necessary.

So in my pulpit I preach repentance to believers.

Right.

Not just someone that's walked in off the street, right?

And so we preach repentance, but The the idea that I want to get across tonight.

Which is is that?

Which I like how you put it sin versus sins, right?

We don't have to forsake all sins In order to be a Christian, but God

grants to us the initial salvation the initial salvific Justification turning from

whatever it is that sin that removal that let's just say that heart of stone.

Right.

Our disposition are are that garment that that garment of dust.

Right.

He removes that garment of dust Adam and gives us.

The garment of the righteousness of Christ.

Amen, and I would even say like I think there's an example of this that's played out in

the book of Joshua is.

That.

The as the people went into the land the land was theirs.

But as time went on as they were claiming and dividing up the land They had to

dispossess the peoples that were in that land, right?

But you know and so what I'm saying is that when we're when we're when we're coming to

Faith like what you know faith that the faith that is in Jesus Christ is a repentant.

It's repentance and belief do it the two sides of the same coin.

One's the negative one's the positive, you know, and that they're so intertwined together

That it is what it is.

But you you know that the faith that we express is one where as I said, it's it's not it's

not a complete and total you know abolition or you know, or annihilation of

this of the of the people residing in the land That will

come.

It is the disposition that these people are defeated.

Mm -hmm.

This is defeated, right?

Sin is defeated in Christ and because I recognize that my I have committed treason and

Now I am taking I am taking his I'm taking him at his word like

because I've got it I have to stop fighting him and I've got it, you know, my

I pull down my banner.

I wave the white flag pull that banner down and You know and

and that the banner of Christ is now raining over my heart, right?

And so at some point I cannot have.

Too bad.

I can't I can't have two banners and that's and that's what I'm saying.

Repentance of sin is the tearing down of my banner is you know.

You can't have two opposing identities, right and I've mentioned this before on here, I'm a I'm a I'm an ex

-gang banger.

I'm not a gang banger any longer.

There's no such thing as a as a Christian gang banger.

Right, just like there's no such thing as a Christian homosexual.

Right to the two are incompatible.

You can't have two opposing identities.

I said this at my church last week.

We was Sitting at the table eating.

We have a meal after every service.

And I said, it's not the Christians job When they go out to witness to

bring them to.

It's not our job to call people to come to church.

Right.

It's our job to call people to come to Christ.

If they come to Christ Christ will get them in church.

Agree, right.

We're not.

We're not to go out in our neighborhoods and try to Convince people to come to church.

We're to compel them to turn to Christ.

If they turn to Christ Christ will get them to church same way.

It's not up to me.

To to.

To you know, of course we preach repentance and stuff like that.

I can't repent for someone like like I Can't force someone in repentance.

I can't con someone in the repentance.

We preach the gospel.

Right.

Everyone else we preach the same gospel Christ this is where

the regeneration comes in.

Christ Saves them.

I can't save them.

Greg can't save them.

Brady can't save them.

Christ saves them.

We preach the gospel Same way.

When we witness we go out and we witness.

We don't con people to come to church.

We Compel them to come to Christ.

That same idea whenever we're witnessing.

And if that person comes to Christ Christ Will give them the repentance they need to

turn from sins.

It's it's it's that same idea we are Called to preach the gospel.

Christ saves.

Christ gives them repentance.

Christ brings them to church.

We have one mission.

We got a single shot shotgun and with one bullet, it's the gospel of Jesus Christ.

What we have to do week after week every opportunity we get is to preach that faithfully.

Right, whether we're talking to a homosexual a gangbanger our our

children.

Same gospel same message nothing changes

so.

One thing that I.

One one really cool thing that I love doing whenever I have conversations with the LDS.

With missionaries in particular there was one time that it just worked out perfectly because there was a cross on somebody's house

and so it was I mean I was tearing up crying as I as I was telling them this and it

was so amazing, but.

Because I had gone through with them really convicting them of sin how they they believe in their own righteous deeds their

own works their own efforts for for for salvation and so on and so forth and

so.

It came down to the point where okay, what do you guys believe is repentance?

So it means stop doing what you're doing go to your bishop go take the sacrament on Sunday.

That's how you gain repentance, right?

And so I I I'm like, man, okay.

And I was like that's not what repentance is it means changing your mind having a change of heart not looking at the same thing

but turning away from it and and and it was so cool because it was.

And I'm gonna mess it up and it's gonna not sound as great as it was that day.

And I told him look if you say that your sin was was right here and you're looking at it.

You love it you hold to it.

You believe that's what's saving you is this in front of you right here.

Your hands are ingressed in it and you love it.

What I'm saying when I mean repent is that God is the one that is turning you and that sin that you

just saw there is actually right there on that cross and it's paid for there by the Lord Jesus

Christ, and I appoint not the house that has the cross and.

And and that is what I mean that you must repent and believe in Jesus Christ and what he has done

there fully for you.

Cautious to 15.

Yeah first so yep Colossians 2 15 and then not only that but I was just gonna read Colossians 1 13

for he delivered us from this dominion of darkness and Transferred us to the kingdom

of his beloved son.

That to me is repentance.

That is to me a Changing of your identity that to me is a lowering of that banner and a raising

an exalting of God's truth.

He has taken us and transferred us from looking at this to seeing that

exact same sin.

Not in front of us here, but transferring it and making us see it where it now belongs that

Christ has paid it fully.

Right that that's that's how I've always explained repentance to somebody on the street corner, right?

I'm just reminded off the top of my head is this is this is a song.

It's not Bible, but it's it's a good song.

They the band theocracy Progressive power metal.

They've got a song on Dealing with actually Martin Luther and one of the I this is one of the things

that they got a lyric here.

That says, you know see these madmen peddling the wares of dead men's souls

Collecting on a debt already paid so long ago.

And.

You know again when I want to make sure that I'm very clear I'm not in any way

saying of a work or.

Anything I.

Confess 100 %.

That all of what I'm saying is the is the work

of the Holy Spirit Working in us.

It is him doing this and and in this I'm reminded of

You know the example of when Sennacherib comes to Jerusalem.

Sennacherib has declared war on Judah and

Sennacherib sins.

Was it rab shakka?

I think is his name and he sends his emissary

To Jerusalem to say Sennacherib has claimed this as his own.

It's his.

You've got two options you either you know

lower the flag of Of Judah and take the flag of Assyria.

To show that you are a conquered territory.

Or I kill you and I take it anyway.

Well on the flip side.

Us being the ambassadors of Jesus Christ who is the King of Kings and Lord of Lords and has said that all

authority You know in heaven and on earth is his.

That he owns everything.

That all all power is his.

That every person that we encounter on a street corner.

Every person that we're calling on is saying repent and believe the gospel.

That we in the positive holy and pure sense are like rab shakka at the walls

of Jerusalem saying King Jesus has said that you are his.

You will either bow the knee now.

Or you will bow the knee later.

You can either have his banner fly over you and in doing so, you know, you have said, you know I

am fighting this war anymore.

But I am going to submit to King Jesus.

That Jesus is Lord.

Period and.

At the after that whatever he tells me to do I will do.

I don't care what he tells me to do.

Because of what he paid what he suffered who he is and what he is worth and what his

value is.

It's so much worth more than anything else that whatever it whatever it is that I may not even see

but this disposition of rebellion is dead and Christ

is King.

That is what we are.

I Believe that is.

What we're proclaiming is that we're saying gee, you know.

We are saying repent and believe the gospel, you know for the kingdom of heaven is at hand that Jesus is King.

He is your king and you must obey him.

You must turn to him.

You must believe in him because what you did and what's amazing about this is that this God that we're at

war with is the one who he's offering us terms of peace and

the terms of peace are So splendid because it isn't just like hey, I'm conqueror

territory.

I.

Become a son of God and.

So and at that point all the other stuff that flows out of that that's what I Say is that it

is it is not.

I'm not saying repent of sins repent of sin repent of rebellion.

You know lay down your arms wave the white flag take Jesus at his word

that he will save.

Would you agree with this statement?

Ray Comfort, which if you know my story I Was

granted salvation repentance and faith through Ray Comfort's

ministry.

Yeah when I witness I witness.

Through the same way Ray Comfort witnesses law and gospel, right?

This is the biblical reform position law and gospel, right?

Though Ray Comfort is not reformed, right?

Ray Comfort at the end.

He'll say there's two things you must do in order to be saved repent

and trust in Jesus.

Now his his form of repentance would be a contrite heart.

Sorry.

Sorrowful sorrowful.

I'm saying that right?

I think sorrowful over your sins Returning from sins

being sorry for your sins and Trusting in Christ, would you would you

agree with that?

And then after that, I want to read Something from the

confession.

Well, you know, I would say that I do agree with that.

I I would say that Ray also sometimes does.

Sorry I just I'm hearing now things.

My internet is going slow.

So if I step on somebody I apologize.

Oh you go ahead Ray.

Sorry, the the.

Ray Comfort Does great things but I do think that like sometimes it does come across a little bit

Legalistic because it almost does sound like okay, you need to stop doing.

More than just you need to stop doing this, but by stop doing this you will be saved.

It almost seems like it's this.

It sounds like that whenever he's.

Like it does sound like that like it and I love Ray Comfort.

So don't don't think I'm saying something wrong about it.

Absolutely. Love him.

Right, and this and I guess this is where I would say is that I wonder if if we're hearing it with legalistic

ears.

When he's not being when that sort of you know, that's sort of I listen to him probably two or three hours a

day.

Every day.

Like because I because this is how I witness I try to get it in me.

But I listen to him every day.

That form of witnessing.

I listen to it every day.

Yeah, and I'm saying is I don't I don't take that as

Legalistic because you know or as a works -based thing

in any way shape or form.

Because I think if God has commanded us to do something Is it legalistic to

obey what he said?

Like that that that's that.

That's what I guess saying is.

It is my repentance in my belief.

Is that what saves me?

Ultimately, no.

But is it is it a grace that has been given to me in order to obey God's commands?

Yes, you know.

And that that it is and this is and actually this is the thing that I'm even dealing with in in Philippians two.

Is this.

You know, it's throughout the Bible this this paradox this mystery of how God is

completely sovereign over.

Everything.

And Braden's gone Done peace

when I'm says that God has given you know, he's the ultimate cause he is

ultimately behind it all and Yet there is a responsibility that we have

That God that God expects of us and how it.

You know, it's one of those things like how does it all play together?

I don't know but it's what the Bible tells me and I I'm just gonna go

with what the book says and You know, if I if I can't figure it out, I

don't care.

So I'm a Calvinist, you know, I don't need to figure it out.

I just need to know what God said and go that's what he said and then just deal with it and just do what he says

and you know, and that's where I think that the the call to repentance of

Sins, you know, you know, I wouldn't say hey repentance of sins repent of your sins.

But repent of your sin the that mess that again, that's where I make a distinction

and that's where I said is the.

Is.

Having of sin itself as.

It isn't as a thing by it, you know, it's a single solitary thing.

All right.

Tell me if you would agree with this, so I'm not gonna preach a sermon, right?

All right, but but let's just take the the Romans 5 1 passage.

Therefore since we have been justified by faith we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ

so this is a verse that I Often preach when I open air.

When I do open -air preaching.

And so and I'll and I'll mention, you know that there's God seems to give a terms of terms

of agreement.

This means that we're at war with God, right?

Why are we at war with God?

Because we have broken God's law.

I walk through it every one of us, but here comes Brayden.

Hey Brayden.

Can you hear me?

Hey, sorry.

I'm kind of walking through.

Hey, I can't.

Yeah, there's every once in a while where I'll start stuttering.

We're like there'll be like.

Yeah, two minutes of like catch up.

Now I'm walking through real quick.

Kind of a way that I open air preach to see if you agree or don't agree.

So like take Romans 5 1.

It.

Seems here that That God has said a term of agreements now this why

is there terms?

Why does God have to set terms of agreements because we're at war with God?

How is it?

Why is it we're at war with God?

Well because we have broken God's law.

Where we have lied we have stolen we have looked with us.

This is the Transcendent law, right?

You don't have to be a Christian to be under this law.

This is transcendent, right?

We've broken God's law.

Therefore because we have broken God's law God himself gives us the

terms of peace and it is faith in Jesus Christ.

Right, and so When I call someone and so I'll say so

Repent turn from your selfish ways.

Turn from trusting in yourself.

Turn and put your faith in Jesus Christ.

All.

Right, and let's say if I just leave it there.

Is that gospel sufficient?

Of course, I'm preaching the reign of Christ.

I'm doing I'm trying to preach the whole time.

I'm just kind of giving you the just.

I'm talking about sin and then I follow by its faith in Jesus Christ.

Yeah, it's you know, it was turn because you said they're turning from sin and turning to Christ.

Well, I didn't say turn from sin.

I said well, I didn't use the word sin.

I said stop trusting in yours.

Yeah, repent repent.

Turn from your self -righteousness.

Stop trusting in your way and trust in God's way, which is Jesus Christ,

right?

Yeah, I would agree with that.

Because that's the as I would say that that's the that's sin.

Yeah, you know.

Yeah, so so let me read this and then Y 'all can take

the ropes.

So again 1689 chapter 14 save in faith.

We all Agree with this.

So this will be section 2 of 14 only paragraph 2 section I

Think it's actually section 10.

But the principle act of saving faith focuses directly on

Christ accepting receiving resting upon him alone for

justification sanctification and eternal life by virtue of

the covenant of grace.

Mm -hmm.

That is beautiful.

Amen.

So again this faith I see here.

I'll just like in Acts 2 Repent and be baptized.

I would see that that Repentance there is faith this faith here.

I would see as repentance in the salvific sense of Not trusting in

myself, but trusting Christ.

I would not see this as the daily sanctification.

Repentance.

Right, and that's I agree with that like that's where I make that.

I just want everyone else to be clear of what we're saying.

Yeah.

We are wrestling with terms and trying to deal with my new shit here.

Yeah.

But this is I mean, but but I'd say brothers that this is what this is important because if we

we don't want to give off the The impression that hey

That your Daily repenting of sins is what is salvific.

No, that is actually what Philippians 2 12 tells us about working

out your salvation in fear and fruit worthy of repentance.

Right, right, you know and so that there's that just like we you know speak of

you know grace.

You know, we talk of saving grace and then we were like we pray and God I need your grace in my life.

We're not talking about the same thing.

We got a similar word.

We got the same word, but we've got different denotations here that we're that we're

presenting and so when we're talking about repent the initial repentance that of

Repent believe the gospel.

We're not saying that hey you're and I'm not saying that you're

Forsaking of your Your of the sins that your sin expresses

itself in.

What we're saying is, you know is that we're saying that your sin

the the Rebellious nature, you know, you put it your self -righteousness that

you know you as King Bro, get off the throne is what we're saying

get off the throne because it's Jesus's In that and that's what I think I think that's I when I when

I'm saying repentance of sin is get off the throne.

Because you're it ain't yours, bro.

Brayden.

Amen, I.

A lot of it has been breaking out for me guys.

I won't lie to you.

I was right.

So just just say amen. I'm just gonna say amen. Amen. Amen. Amen.

I don't think I'm Braden.

Are you in a new place?

Yeah.

No, I just moved my bookshelf.

So I don't look as smart right now.

Okay, I don't have all the fancy stuff behind me.

So no, I'm I'm right now at my house I live at right now.

We're trying to move to the church parsonage.

And so I'm in the process of moving and that's I've been super super busy these last couple of weeks doing

a lot of that.

Stuff so and I I can tell you.

Stay in the office for this don't go in the house to do the podcast.

Yeah.

Yeah, I've been there done that.

Yeah.

Yeah, I no doubt it'll be in the office for sure.

I'm actually excited.

I'm gonna take this computer so I can have two computers in the office.

I'm gonna be like.

Well, it's gonna make me from smart to mega smart.

Just kidding.

Help make me from down to just even that number.

Yeah, and so then.

Yeah, no, I the only thing I was gonna say just in my thinking on what I was able to hear from everybody on this

you know when we so.

Trying to say Hebrews chapter 8 has been on my mind a bundle these last couple of weeks.

Hebrews 8 verses 8 through 12.

That says that I will make or effect a new covenant with the house of Israel with the house of Judah.

Not like the covenant that I made with their forefathers in the day when I took them by the hand for I did not care

for them or Depending on if you're reading from Jeremiah 31 31 through 34 regardless.

For in this covenant that I will make with the house of Israel.

They will no longer say to each one his neighbor and each one his brother.

No God for they shall all know me from the least to the greatest of them.

And I will write my law in their minds and I will write it upon their hearts.

For I shall be their God and they shall be my people.

What.

And then after that it talks about that it says that that I will forgive the iniquities and I will remember their sins no more.

When when I think of Just this covenant this new covenant this covenant of grace that we're in and this was

coming to my mind as you read the 1689 and talking about by the virtue of the covenant the

new covenant of the covenant of grace that we are in.

When we are made new new covenant members.

In I I would say that the process of being made that new covenant member is that

transferal of Looking away from your sin.

That's it's it's it's the ripping out of the the world and

Being placed into something that is out of this world that the kingdom that is not of this realm and amen.

And so I I mean there's a there's a plethora of examples and analogies that I think we could think of when we talk about this, but

when I think of.

That type of faith that that is what I do think that is the

the changing of the heart the the repent and believe of Mark 1 15

or Matthew 4 17 that being ripped out and being made a new covenant

member is Coming to know with knowing God him knowing you having this relationship

Being a member of it because Christ has done the work on your behalf and.

And part of being this new covenant member means that you have that law written on your heart.

You now know better you you you now Seek to glorify God with obeying him and

that brings along repentance that brings along that sanctification.

And.

Again that comes about and that's a grace and granting of from God to be able to do those kind of things.

But I think that when a lot of people I think it's I think a lot of people and that was someone the

hesitations I had to when I said no is repentance necessary for salvation or is forsaking of

sin necessary for salvation and not an initial question the reason I said no to it is because I think a lot of people think that

repentance means when we're talking about it salvificly is the is the

Stop doing something you Are sorry for it you go and do this you it's

a process ordeal.

Like I said with the LDS the process LDS of repentance is.

You sin on Monday you apologize on Tuesday.

You feel bad about it on Wednesday.

You pray to God about it on Thursday and Friday you do something else Saturday you do something else Sunday

comes along and you take Sacrament right and that's when repentance happens is on Sunday.

So you go six days without repentance.

You only get that on Sunday and so in my mind.

That's where I think a lot of people have this thought of what repentance is and so that's why I would say

no in in the general definition of repentance and understanding of forsaking

sins.

Using that plural.

No.

It's not it's not right.

And that that's where I just I've been really convicted by that Hebrews.

I think I've probably read it in every one of our podcasts for the last two months probably Hebrews chapter 8,

it's amazing.

I just love it.

It's like it just destroys every it's just amazing.

It's great.

So.

Yeah, so like in the secular view like him.

From where I came from when I first heard repentance my thought was well.

How long do I have to be stopped doing something for salvation to kick in?

Yeah, right, you know like when I first started reading the Bible and hearing people talk so again, I start

reading the Bible 2001 I.

Didn't.

Actually trust Christ for my salvation into 2005.

That's first time.

I heard the gospel preach proclaim.

It was by Ray comfort right, but it was still that idea of.

You know, how long do I have to stop doing something before something actually

takes root in me.

Because there was moments where I you know, like, you know, like even before that happened.

I mean I was fasting.

I was you know doing all kind of stuff, you know praying.

Reading, you know, but I was you know actively trying to stop sinning.

I wasn't trusting Christ.

Right.

You see what I'm saying?

There's a big difference there.

Versus now my trust and faith is in Christ.

He has died for my sins.

And because of that I live in the fruit of what he has done.

Looking to him and now.

You know.

The fight begins within myself.

Through his grace, it's a lot it's it's you know, it's so much easier now to turn from sin than it was before.

Trusting in Christ because all I was doing was looking at myself and I could see everything.

In that in that typical thinking of repentance meaning stopping sinning would you say that that

would be maybe not in its fullness a fair definition of what

sanctification in repentance looks like.

Attempting to stop sinning.

Absolutely.

Absolutely.

Yeah.

Yeah, but but I would say that it's not it's not me looking to myself.

So I guess the the analogy of the of

The dog race right the the greyhounds lining up to race, you know.

They're they're at the line a mechanical rabbit pops up and it's propelled in front of them

and they take off of running.

And they're looking at the rabbit that's how I see the Christian life should be if at

any time I stop looking at Christ to To look for fruit in

myself.

Like you said last time I'm gonna bump into another dog right, but as long as.

So as long as I'm focused on Christ Repentance in my life is actively taking

place.

Fruit in my life is actively taking place.

Right, but whenever I stop looking at Christ Seeing

more sin That's when I fall the moment

my eyes Stop looking at Christ and I look to myself whatever that might be.

That's whenever I fall into sin.

But as long as I'm looking at Christ who is propelled in front of me and I'm running my race

That's when I'm actively Bearing fruit keeping with repentance.

That's when actually Like when it comes to fruit I shouldn't be able to.

I shouldn't deserve fruit for myself, but you.

You know if we're together daily weekly, whatever you should be able to see the fruit of my life I should be

able to see the fruit in your life.

The fruits not for you to see in your own life.

Other people should see the fruit.

It's kind of like that faith without works is dead idea.

Other people should see the works in your life.

You don't worry about the works you worry about looking to Christ.

When we're looking to Christ That's whenever we're actively keeping Bearing

fruit keeping with repentance and that we're actively Doing what we're supposed to do.

Eyes off Christ fall into sin.

He's gone again.

That thing internet that that that.

Southern, Idaho internet I.

Was thinking maybe if he was you know, like he I knew it was moving.

I was thinking maybe either in the transition.

Maybe he doesn't have any good internet or something right now.

And he just text and said dang internet.

Well, that's okay, man.

We're we're almost an hour and 30 minutes in so we'll just.

We'll just close out.

I think we got our point across.

Yeah, I think so.

We didn't fight so no.

This is where I think it said it's.

I guess one of the things that I you know stood out to me between both both you both you and Braden

is kind of a.

It's reticence like, you know, because we people are going to hear.

You hear repentance and they're like, well, what do I got to stop doing?

What do I got to stop doing what I got and how long do I have to stop doing it before the salvation kicks in?

That's not at all when when.

Hey, he's back.

I'm back.

I went told my internet to repent.

All right, so.

You know, it's a.

Like.

You know how prevalent of an idea is that where people hear repentance.

And I and actually I say brother you you mean you.

You say Jeff that you know, you were doing that up until 2005 when you came to faith in Christ is.

You know the repentance that you were doing was a was a worldly repentance was right.

What was not the repentance that you were commanded to to exert.

It wasn't a you know.

You were still trying to serve both bail and Yahweh, right?

And that's not.

That's that.

That's not.

What we're called to is we've been called to serve Yahweh and to kick bail to the curb.

To.

Defile You know the the Asherah polls to go full

Josiah and take a leak on everything You know and just defile it.

And it's not just it's not Like let me get this one thing.

That's after the fact but it is it is a It's a disposition

That I think it comes down to the the the confession that's been getting us killed for 2 ,000 years.

Jesus is Lord To the glory of God the Father.

That's right.

Will you holla back?

All right guys I gotta get off yeah.

That was I think that was sufficient.

Cover that all right.

No, no for understanding.

Sufficient for understanding.

All right.

God bless guys.

Love you guys.

Love you too, man.

Any last words Greg?

I think I've said enough.

All right.

Well.

As always if you're ever in Tallahoma, come check us out.

Hallelujah, holla back.