Why Christians Need to Talk About UFOs & The Paranormal | Highlight
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This is a highlight of Apologia Radio. In this clip Jeff and the crew are joined by Brian Suave to discuss the Christian response to UFO's and the Paranormal.
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- 00:00
- Yeah, I'm I'm very excited about this this subject and I did not know how
- 00:05
- I mean I knew that cultish I knew you guys had touched on some of this stuff, but just the The massive need there is right now to do really good christian apologetics in this world the explosion of interest
- 00:18
- It is and it's not being touched by non -crazy people in many christian circles
- 00:24
- There there are people who are you know Absolutely unhinged who are saying this is a christian answer and I find
- 00:30
- I found a lot of syncretism a lot of really sloppy thinking and so man, I was so excited when
- 00:36
- I found out that Jeff Durbin and the apology guys were who are also interested in this
- 00:42
- This subject it's just so needed to know you nailed it And and that's I think the key issue is is and tell me what you think about this
- 00:49
- There's there's two points here and you named one of them and that's that the crazies the weirdos people that just go nuts with this stuff and then you know you have uh
- 00:57
- Now, okay. So now this is where it gets interesting you have the lane we need to engage with where we have to all face down the fact that Just last week or the week before last or whatever it was very very recently.
- 01:11
- Um There was a congressional hearing with three people whistleblowers
- 01:16
- Um, not schlubs. Um, not crazies One is a commander of a military aircraft one of the best pilots of this last generation that uh is the one
- 01:27
- Uh a part of that whole revelation of this tic -tac ufo uap
- 01:33
- Um that defied the laws of physics that was dropping down from space hanging out for hours over the water um, and then this thing just disappears when they try to chase it to 60 miles away in in less than a minute and Um, uh, you know you have footage of this radar data and that's what we're learning
- 01:51
- Now is you even get to the point where it's being told to congress that uh pilots on the east coast
- 01:57
- Have to have as part of their training awareness of the uaps they may encounter and they're describing uaps like floating black cubes enclosed in a ball
- 02:09
- Uh one that almost got clipped by an airplane, uh by like 50 feet So they're having like very close, uh calls with some of these things and the description of these by military pilots is these are things phenomena that uh, we cannot um,
- 02:25
- Understand they are defying what we know about the laws of physics and material science today orbs, uh lights that appear that seem to defy the laws of of physics, uh, again the radar data from Uh stuff flying above us to the radar data get this
- 02:42
- With submarines and things that are actually happening under the water that defy the laws of physics with orbs and certain things like that So here's my point we're going to get into this today and realize that we're not going to do this in such a way as that we're just sort of titillating the senses and you know, and Uh, just engaging in just sheer speculation.
- 03:04
- We're dealing with eyewitness evidence Eyewitness testimony and those sorts of things Yes, and that's one of the most important elements.
- 03:12
- I think that people often who are maybe not familiar with this subject um get wrong pretty quickly is that if you're going to dismiss all of this as hoaxing or as Uh attention -seeking behavior or crazy people
- 03:26
- You really have a high burden of proof to demonstrate Uh that claim when you have so many credible witnesses
- 03:35
- So many similar reports across many many different disciplines military and outside the military police officers housewives
- 03:43
- Uh, and and these reports often carry many similar characteristics and what we found as we started looking into this subject was
- 03:51
- We're convinced something is happening We're convinced that some of these people are absolutely telling the truth and that some percentage of them are not explicable through you know mistaken identification of Known aerial phenomena or venus or you know swamp gas type explanations, right that we really do have some
- 04:11
- Uh some complicated questions to answer when it comes to this phenomena. It's just I think it's the orb thing alone
- 04:18
- Yeah number of credible reports right that we waded through in the orb phenomena in people that are talking about ufos, but also just people talking about general paranormal activity and You you find just very credible stories hard to dismiss
- 04:34
- And christians need answers for these stories but yeah for sure and I want to just say one more final point on this in terms of Why does congress care like what they just is is it just they're excited to hear about something new and and intriguing?
- 04:46
- Well, the main thrust that's been coming before congress and to government officials is like look We have to to actually train our pilots on the coast to defend our nation to watch out for these things um, it's part of their training now we have uh confirmed data and reports from the united states and Allies and enemies that some sometimes they've had encounters with orbs that have appeared over nuclear missile sites
- 05:13
- Shut down the missile sites and then disappeared and then they turn back on again That's not something that happened. This has happened just the united states of america.
- 05:20
- It's happened in other places as well Um, you've got actual footage of military fighter pilots um
- 05:29
- Tracking these things and them them you can watch it with your own eyes them them like flipping and turning in the air against the wind um with no apparent propulsion
- 05:39
- Uh, no propellers and those sorts of things. Yeah, and and really that I think Captures the one of the two directions where my mind goes with something like this
- 05:48
- This testimony before congress and this disclosure process that's being slow rolled
- 05:53
- And the narrative that's being constructed in the media and in the political realm as well,
- 05:59
- I think really there's there's a Two or three witnesses is a legal minimum
- 06:04
- So it doesn't actually establish the truth of something if we have two or three witnesses We now need that's well, we can now hear the charge
- 06:11
- Since we have independent lines of witness and now we can evaluate now we can hear it. Yes, right
- 06:17
- We can evaluate the credibility. Maybe one of the lines of evidence is eyewitness Maybe there's some forensic evidence things like that multiple independent eyewitnesses is obviously great
- 06:26
- Um, and and you know, it's it's one it's something that because brian I'm, so glad you brought it up in that way is that when you have multiple lines of witness and testimony?
- 06:36
- It doesn't mean it's true That's really important. A lot of people get that wrong a lot of people don't don't know how to read their bibles and understand the law of god in such a way as to Understand that just because two or three people are saying something doesn't mean it's true
- 06:47
- Like brian said now it means that oh I can receive this testimony to evaluate now
- 06:53
- I can do cross -examination Now I can actually engage with the witnesses now I can try to find out is this actually the case just because they're saying it doesn't make it true
- 07:03
- It means now okay now I can evaluate that's a great point and um, and that's really by the way pastors good grief
- 07:10
- You better get that down. You better get down quick. Um, you're gonna need that for counseling and dealing with uh conflict in your church body um, and uh, so but okay, so with that It means that as christians when you hear reports from roswell
- 07:25
- From the eyewitnesses on the ground Um from the first responders from the fire department from the sheriff from the people who own the land uh from the people who say uh
- 07:36
- Yeah, that's not what happened what the government is saying happened is not what we actually saw When you have those witnesses coming forth like as a christian you got to evaluate that without waving the hand at it and saying
- 07:47
- No, it was just a balloon It's like okay Then why was why did the journalists report in the newspaper that there was a a crashed craft?
- 07:55
- Why did the first responders say that they came upon the crashed craft? Why did the sheriff say the same thing like what what do these people have to gain in this?
- 08:04
- Why um, uh, did people disappear? Um who gave their testimony what took place in roswell
- 08:09
- It just means it's not saying that it happened exactly as they're saying it's saying that you've got to be able to evaluate this without Something waving the hand
- 08:16
- Because I think as a christian here's my point. I guess there's a long way of getting at I don't like being in a position as a christian to have such a position of strength to say here's the clear occultism
- 08:26
- And then simply say but i'm not willing to even look at and examine the things that are being said Like for example the actual footage
- 08:34
- Of this strange object being tracked by a military fighter jet and it's clear the pilots don't understand what's going on and there's these things define the laws of physics and You can't just simply wave a hand at that and say it's just cgi.
- 08:48
- I'm, sorry. That doesn't cut it. That doesn't cut it for me Particularly when when I think about like one of the driving motives of our shohana cosmos
- 08:55
- It's proverbs 25 too that it's the glory of god to conceal things It's the glory of kings to search things out.
- 09:01
- We do know that the the just the world that we know is fantastically intricate and astonishing
- 09:10
- I mean it i've heard if if that We know like if you were to convert a single raisin
- 09:16
- The the energy that is contained in that matter to pure energy It would be enough to power new york city for for some extended period of time
- 09:23
- So so we know how to eat more raisins Seriously We know things about the world already.
- 09:30
- It means that Who's to say that there aren't absolutely shocking things? About you know ways to travel vast distances
- 09:39
- Traversable wormholes all this stuff sounds tinfoil hat But then you you look and and I don't know if you're familiar with this example, but it's pretty recent.
- 09:47
- Um the Investigation in skinwalker. I keep an ear to the ground because it's so close to home literally
- 09:54
- On yeah, literally two hours away and on film They recently released something they filmed in summer of 2022 of a light orb that Materializes for lack of better words it flies into the mesa the rock mesa plateau there and then
- 10:15
- Continuous footage it seems to appear out of the mesa Traveling at 300 miles an hour and then disappears again after another stretch of time and and this this is film that corroborates eyewitness accounts from the 90s in the early 2000s and before that That people have witnessed orbs flying into this rock face and seemingly
- 10:38
- Not to slow down and then come back out I look at that and I say I have
- 10:43
- I don't know what that is. I genuinely don't know Is that some physical phenomena that we've some exotic physics that we are yet to understand that god
- 10:51
- But in the I mean people didn't know how to make silicon into chips and iphones until pretty recently And the ancients would consider that, you know wizardry, right?
- 10:59
- Is it something like that? Uh, and and uh, or or is this a spiritual phenomena?
- 11:04
- What's what's going on? The point is just that the the universe god made Is intricate astonishing because god made it
- 11:12
- Mm -hmm, and he can you know, he's capable of you know feats of Glory that we are not even close to comprehending and so some of this stuff
- 11:25
- I look at and say Maybe this is just an example of a mystery or a glory that god has concealed
- 11:32
- That we are yet to understand and maybe some of it is actually Haunted yeah, and so that's right.
- 11:38
- Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, and that's good as well I I love that you've chosen that uh great branding by the way uh I love you've chosen
- 11:44
- That terminology because that I think gets at the it strikes at the at the main point That i've been trying to make for two decades as as examining this and talking about it