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Well, greetings and welcome to the dividing line here we are in Phoenix, Arizona, and I said

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I wasn't going to be here. I'm going to keep this real short because I've explained it on Twitter.

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Don't worry. Next week in next this coming weekend, Saturday and Sunday in Perryville, Arkansas, which is right next to Toad Suck, Arkansas.

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You have to drive through Toad Suck to get to Perryville. That's on. And the stuff the seminary's on on Monday and Tuesday and the debates are on the following weekend in Jonesboro.

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It's how I'm getting there that has changed. We picked up the RV, took it over to a spot and I connected the water, turn on the water and it started pouring out the underside of the unit.

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One of the many things we'd had worked on was the water pump. So it's like, oh, now

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I was already more than a little bit nervous. What is with you people?

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It's it's late February. It's like 77 degrees here in Phoenix.

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And you guys have the Arctic in Arkansas. I mean, I was looking at the predicted lows for my drive to Arkansas and in Oklahoma City, the low temperature the night that I was going to be staying there was supposed to be two degrees.

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Now, I've been down to about 16 in the RV and that's pretty cold. But two and you add to, you know, that's that's not easy on an

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RV, you know, water piping and stuff like that. But it's also the road, you know,

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I mean, black ice and stuff like that, those millions of road signs.

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And I noticed them that say bridge ices before road surface.

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I wonder how many hundreds of millions of those signs in many different languages exist around the world. Yeah, it's one thing when you're a car.

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It's another thing when you're you're 57 feet long and weigh 23000 pounds. It's yeah,

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I was getting nervous about it. So we were going to just try to get the RV in yesterday. First thing, hoping it'd be something like, oh, we forgot to reattach a hose, which it probably will be and still make the trip.

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And then Sunday morning I get up and Rich has sent me a bunch of messages and he's like, I think you had the right idea initially.

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This is just too much. Maybe just need to get hotel rooms and drive back there because the vehicle that I used to pull the

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RV is really sort of designed for this kind of stuff. It is a big, heavy seven thousand pound turbo diesel, a 10 speed automatic transmission, four by four.

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Yeah, she's she's meant for this kind of stuff and she'll be fine. So I'm not looking forward to the traveling part,

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I'll admit. I don't like staying in hotels, I don't sleep as well in hotels.

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I'm going to miss my house. But we this morning took the RV back to the dealership to have the fountain turned off.

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And there's some other things we're going to do, even after spending a lot of money on it to do this trip, to really get her in top condition.

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We're actually going to have shock absorbers put on and you go, wait a minute, it doesn't have shock absorbers?

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They have a spring suspension system. But I asked the guy at the dealership,

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I said, why isn't this just standard issue? Because I talked to, I've got friends up in Dolores, Colorado, they've got an

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RV park up there. They said they put shock absorbers on their unit and it changed everything. It just so massively diminished the bang, bang that you can have in those units.

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And I asked the guy at this dealership, he's like, well, because most people don't use their RVs the way you do.

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Most people take their RV and they go someplace and they park it and they're there for a week or two weeks or something like that. You're using it daily when you're on the road, you're going long distances.

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And so, yeah, for you, it would be really a good idea.

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So we're going to get the shock absorbers put on so that stuff doesn't get thrown around nearly as much as it as it does right now.

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That'll certainly lengthen, I think, the life of the unit as well. And we're also putting a heat pump on the roof.

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We have a gas furnace, but a heat pump allows you to go electric. And so we've got a few things going on.

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So what that also means is when I head to Louisiana, we're putting stuff together for Louisiana. We have a debate

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October 4th and Pastor Fisher in northern Louisiana and Pastor Skip Rainbolt, not rainbow.

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See, I am doing special effort to make sure to pronounce the name properly because I evidently didn't do it appropriately a while back.

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And everybody thought I was saying rainbow, which if I was named rainbow, I would be a little bit, you know, concerned these days about my last name and stuff like that.

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But no, I've been to the church there. It's sort of.

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So I'm looking at maps over on that side of Shreveport or no, is that Shreveport?

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No. Yes, it is. It's where the roads are really in bad shape. It's along the 20 where you had to build a thing around to miss all the beat up roads.

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Anyways, which are fixing. I know, which is which is great. I hope my complaints helped to get the fixing started.

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Anyway, we're trying to put something together the weekend, the weekend after the 4th of April up there in northern

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Louisiana at two churches up on that side of things. And look, folks in Louisiana are just the nicest folks on the planet.

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I think it comes from having to be so patient because your front end's never in alignment because it doesn't matter where you drive.

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It's just, I just got a line bang. It's not aligned anymore. Okay. All right. That's how that works. Anyways, looking forward to that.

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And so the nice thing will be I'm looking forward to hitting Louisiana with shock absorbers, not just on the truck, but on the

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RV, too, because you really need that. All right. Who's who's who's dinging me?

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No. Okay. Never mind. I thought it may have been skip going no or yes or something like that.

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So anyhow, we've got that trip coming up. So this is going to mean that this trip that I'm doing right now will only be two weeks, actually one day shorter than two weeks, because I can cover a lot more ground if I'm just driving in the truck.

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You know, you put the cruise control and there you go. You don't have to worry about driving around back and going through the diesel lane to do all that kind of stuff.

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I can actually go through drive throughs. There's a there's a fascinating concept, though, my truck's long enough that there are certain drive throughs you can't get through without without hitting the curb.

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So that's why we're here. I pull out tomorrow. And so Saturday, Sunday in Perryville, all of that's the same.

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I've posted that on Twitter Monday, Tuesday at Grace Bible Theological Seminary.

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All that's still on. And then we head over to Conway and we've got the debates on Friday and Saturday.

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Jeremiah and myself teaming up on one of those. And then Joe Heschmeyer from Catholic Answers and I debating the mass as a perpetuatory sacrifice, which may end up being really interesting because to get into the topics of the program and like I said on Twitter, I'm not pushing myself to do just an exactly an hour today or anything like that today.

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Trying to pack, you know, I haven't used luggage in years. It's like, well, what do you forget how to do it?

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Well, you get used to carrying certain things in your little house and it's like, do

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I have that? Do I need to bring that? I don't know. So, yeah, it is. And of course, I'm going from where it is going to be like 77 degrees today to where it's going to be frigid cold.

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I will, however, be one day behind the coldest weather as I'm going east, which is nice.

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I think the lowest I see is like 12 right now instead of two. So that's a little bit better.

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But yeah, I head out in the morning and so I still got a lot of stuff to do before I head out tomorrow.

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So I'm not going to worry about whether we go full hour or not. We'll just get in what we can.

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And obviously lots of stuff going on, mostly in the field of Roman Catholicism right now.

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The Vatican is confirming that Pope Francis has double pneumonia. And certainly as someone who, you know,

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I would not call myself a rabid papacy observer, but he's not looking good these days and he's clearly becoming quite frail.

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And I had certainly thought that the possibility existed that he might do what

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Benedict did and resign when he gets to the point where he just can't function anymore.

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But it doesn't look like that's the way it's going. But we all know that he has already put the fingers on the scales as far as the election of his successor is concerned.

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And so I have a feeling he's probably going to pull through this. You know, maybe I'm wrong. But we might be looking at,

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I just remember when John Paul II died, man, for days and days,

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Fox News was just nothing. But every Roman Catholic apologist on the planet getting their 15 seconds of fame to go on TV to talk about the 2000 year history of the

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Roman Catholic Church and all the rest of that kind of stuff. Nobody brought up any of the actual history of those things, development, and why

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Newman had to come up with the Newman theory of development, of historical development and the acorn and the tree and all that kind of stuff.

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But it will be interesting to see the difference in how

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Francis's death eventually, and sometime not in the very distant future, will be treated because there are so many

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Roman Catholics who just honestly in their heart are wondering if he's not an antipope, which raises all sorts of issues, as we had discussed on the program last week.

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You look back at what happened with Honorius, now you look at what Francis did in saying that letter to the

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American bishops about basically saying that the

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United States doesn't get to have borders and doesn't get to have, can't deport people and the immorality of it all and all that kind of stuff.

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So anyway, there could be some interesting developments, especially if that does take place, if Pope Francis passes, then you've got the conclave and the rules have been changed and things could be different and who knows, we could be looking at a new pope and everyone's going to be digging into what the person has written in the past and what's their relationship to Teuto Fernandez and things like that pretty quickly at that point.

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So yeah, there's a lot of stuff going on there. But before I dive into the rest of the

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Roman Catholic stuff, as normal, Twitter threw me a curve right as we were starting, and Rich, I can't seem to see my phone in here,

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I'm not sure why. If you can see it laying around out there, bring it in because it helps with my hearing aids.

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Anyway, I guess you didn't hear that. If you see my phone laying around someplace, if you could grab it for me, because it helps the hearing aids.

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So it's got to be out there someplace, I assume, unless I'm sitting on it, that's a possibility too. As you can tell,

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I've got a lot of stuff going on today. You should have seen us getting out of the spot we were parked in at the

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RV park. The unit did good, but you're really, okay,

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I've got three inches, okay, all right, good, we're good on that one. And this type of thing, yeah, yeah, because it's got the,

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I mean, I can do some of the volume controls off my watch too, but this is a little bit larger, a little bit easier.

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Twitter threw me a curve as it normally does. It's completely off topic, we'll go back to Roman Catholicism in a second, but before this disappears, do you know what

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Sagittarius A -star is? Sagittarius A -star.

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Do you know what Sagittarius A -star? Rich is going, nope, got no idea. That's how it's said too.

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Now, if you saw it spelled out, it would be Sagittarius, capital A, and then an asterisk. That's called

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Sagittarius A -star. And it is the supermassive black hole at the center of our galaxy.

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We are now theorizing that pretty much all spiral galaxies have a supermassive black hole at the center.

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And what's fascinating is we didn't know it was there until about 20 years ago.

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I think it was around 20 years ago. And there have been lots of theories and stuff like that.

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We eventually, we finally launched probes that would be able to see through the dust cloud basically at the center of the galaxy and be able to see things more clearly.

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And we were able to watch a star many, many, many times more massive than our own star, than our sun in our solar system, get drawn in and thrown around an object just like a million miles an hour.

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Just can you imagine something that's multiple times the size of our star being accelerated that kind of speed?

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I mean, what kind of power is involved in that? Well, that's what a supermassive black hole is.

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And that's what Sagittarius A -star is, is the official name of...

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Now you can't see it with a light telescope. There's too much between us, basically. But we do have with the web telescope and with infrared sensing devices out in space, we're able to get better understandings of what's going on in there.

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And so I was just, just before the program started, this comes from NASA and it says the swirling disk of gas and dust surrounding it is more active than expected, emitting a constant but random stream of flares from faint flickers to bright eruptions.

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Well, that's fascinating. And there's a very interesting graphic included.

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But I'll be, I'll just be perfectly honest with you. I have seen so much evidence of NASA faking weather information, removing weather information that doesn't follow with the narrative, super, super hot periods in the past where there wasn't, where the carbon dioxide level is significantly lower than it is now, all this kind of stuff that I don't really trust them.

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I wish, I'd like to believe that the people that do the astronomical stuff are different than the people who do the weather stuff.

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And I'll have to admit the weather stuff, as we have all discovered recently, has been corrupted by money.

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Money has corrupted the medical system. Money has corrupted the CDC. Big Pharma is the source of this money.

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And in the same way, the whole climate scam is China getting massively rich off of our stupidity.

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And so I'd like to believe maybe the weather area of NASA is different than the outer space section of NASA.

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You know, I still want to believe that because, you know, I grew up with such respect for NASA.

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You know, I remember the moon landing, the very first one. I was,

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I was alive. That kind of thing, that kind of thing really sticks with you. And so, you know, really proud of that kind of stuff, but not so much now.

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And okay, hold on a second. What is this? So Wes Hough just sent me a,

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I mean, it just, just arrived, just since the program started. Some pages from a 1602

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Geneva Bible and one page from a 1549 Tyndale that were just given to him.

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And that's, that's pretty, that's pretty cool. That is neat to see. I could reach over and grab my 1550

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Stephanos over there, but I won't. But if you're ever in the Phoenix area,

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Wes, come on by and I'll let you, let you do all you want with the 1550 Stephanos and check out the cool textual notes and all that kind of fun stuff.

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Cause you'd, you'd appreciate that. And remind me to tell you my funny story from Al Mohler's library.

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Because you'd really, you'd actually be one of the few people on the planet that would actually understand what that's all about.

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So anyhow, real quick. So I just, we live in a day where we're seeing things and we know things that mankind has never known before.

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And the sad thing is when that is discovered in a secular worldview, instead of inciting the glorification of God, the magnification of his power for the secularly decrepit person, the person whose worldview has been so thoroughly infiltrated by secularism.

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And this is, I'm talking about most Christians now. Instead of rejoicing in the power of God and in, we sit here and go, well, now that we know this, now that we know about Sagittarius A star, we don't need

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God anymore. As if figuring out something, a way that God has, we don't, we don't have any earthly idea how that supermassive black hole, how it is connected to everything else in the galaxy.

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Nothing like that. But, but the vast majority of secular scientists approach something like that and they can't approach it from the perspective of creation.

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They have to approach it from the perspective of nihilism. That we may be able to figure out some more of the physical realities of it, but purpose, beauty, glory, can't have that.

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And I really do think that, you know, in eternity to come, that one of the things that we'll be doing is coming to understand the glory of all the guys created that right now we're starting to get little glimpses of.

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I love that series of pictures that the probe sent back from Titan when it descended through the atmosphere, because Titan's atmosphere is, you can't see through it.

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But the probe drops down below those clouds and you see the surface of Titan actually have some of those images put together as a single picture in my house.

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And I just love that we live in a day where we know what Sagittarius A star is and we, you know,

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Albireo, my favorite dual star, nobody knew it was a dual star until just a couple of hundred years ago when the telescopes gets invented.

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And also, wow, look at that, isn't that beautiful blue, beautiful gold together, one of the most beautiful things in the sky.

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And look at that, look that nebula up there, wow, it's just awesome.

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So it's a great time to be alive and to glorify God and to, but you know, you really have to be regularly grounded in scripture to be able to resist the temptation to secularize and to dismiss the glories of God's creation.

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And I don't think a lot of, I don't think a lot of churches purposefully try to do that.

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It's not that they're purposely trying not to, it's just, it's just the environment in which we live right now.

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So look it up sometime, Sagittarius A star. All right, a video came out and a bunch of people mentioned this to me and I started listening to it and hold on a second, oh, stop, that's not what

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I wanted. That's the 10 minute version. I want the short version of it.

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Maybe it's up here. There it is. Okay. It's just two people talking,

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Matt Fradd and this other guy. So we're only going to play the audio of it, but it, it dropped a few days ago and everybody's like, oh, look at this.

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And you know, I assume that Matt Fradd does his own tweeting.

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You know, maybe he has a staff or something. I don't know. I do all my own tweeting. Rich, do you ever tweet for me?

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Rich says, no, he doesn't tweet. And I don't tweet for him either. I do retweet his tweets, but he, when he actually does his own tweeting, he gets into so much trouble anyways, that I don't,

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I don't even need to go there. I just, just sort of sit back and try to avoid the splatter. But anyway,

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I suppose he wrote this then, and here's the, here's the title, ex -pastor and Bible scholar in all caps, obliterates, and then in scare quotes, solo scriptura.

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If you've ever looked for anything online on YouTube, debates, dialogues, whatever, dialogues, discussions, it is filled.

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I cannot imagine the terabytes and terabytes and terabytes of storage dedicated to videos with all caps titles that include obliterate, destroy in three seconds.

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And, and I see it about myself all the time. You know, I'll be searching for something and I'm going, ah, what, where did that debate

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I did go? And I can't find something or something like that. And in the process, you start running across all this stuff that's been shot at me.

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And man, if I, I've said many times, if I believed a 10th of what is written about me and said about me and assert about me online,

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I'd, I'd punch myself in the face. It's just, it's just unbelievable.

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So this, you know, I jumped onto YouTube fairly early on.

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I remember, I forget what it was you had to do back then. Well, I know the limit was 10 minutes, but to get the initial monetization and to get longer videos, you had to reach certain plateaus as to number of followers and stuff like that.

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And the number of videos you had and things like that. So we adopted that pretty early and then dumped the monetization stuff.

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I don't know how much money we could have made over the years, but we just did not want to entrust to YouTube that kind of control.

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Anyway. But I've seen all of that just become so childish.

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So infantile. Obliterate. And if you look at ours, we are so boring.

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It's the same splash screen all the way across. It's just, it's just the Alpha Omega splash screen and the title, and it's not me sitting there going, and that's what everybody does.

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You've seen it. You've seen it. You, you, you go look at Leighton Flowers stuff.

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You know, it's always Leighton. Um, everybody does it.

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It's, it's just, and I just refuse to do it. I could not see R .C.

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Sproul ever doing that. I could not see John MacArthur ever doing it. Okay, no, not,

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I just, that's more my generation. And we're like, hey, you know what?

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If, if, if this information is helpful to you, great, but we're not going to play games to get you to, you know, watch this video or something like that.

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But it's all through, obliterates, destroys, nukes, you know, all these different terms for, and it's, and I always sit there and go, and I talk with these other pastors.

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I discovered that we were teaching everybody different. Okay, I guess you want to start playing right now.

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I, I, I didn't even touch anything. That is, that is pretty freaky.

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Um, and besides that, I need to send it to the right source here anyways. Um, so it should come through the, uh, the thing now.

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Um, I've just found that description of stuff unhelpful and your, your arguments must not be overly strong.

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If you have to poison the well at the start, if you have to set people up to go, here is this position is going to get obliterated and all the rest of that stuff.

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So, yeah, that's not the best way of doing this, but, so this was sent to me. This was posted on the 14th and I listened to it.

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It's only a minute long. And I went, well, first of all, nothing new here. Um, you know, when

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Jerry Matatix and Scott Hahn converted, there wasn't an internet to post stuff like this to, but it would have been the same thing.

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I mean, honestly, it was the exact same kind of argumentation we're about to hear, except it was all on cassette tapes.

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Okay. And, and you had to have a Walkman. All right. With, uh, with a, with a wired headset.

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Okay. There was, if you're running, you're constantly pulling it out or yeah, you could do the boom box thing, but that, nah, nah, we were, we weren't, you know, it wasn't that bad.

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Um, and then eventually the Discman came out after the Walkman and so you'd have your, your

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CDs and stuff like that. And they'd skip all the time. And, and of course the, the Walkman, uh, would eat your tape.

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Um, and you're like, eat your tape. Yes. Yes. It would wrap that thing around.

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And sometimes you could, you could fix it. But then other times it was just like, yeah, just cut the tape.

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Razor blade and some, some cellophane tape and, uh, fixing it.

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And then you'd have a song that has, you know, four seconds missing because he had to splice the tape.

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You, you young people have no idea, uh, what us folks went through when we, when we were kids, um, to, to get our music and stuff like that.

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Anyway, what was I talking about? So there's nothing in this clip about who this guy is.

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And I was wondering, cause I listened to it and I'm like, again, okay. Former Protestant, uh, pastor, he's being called, he's described as a ex pastor and Bible scholar.

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Oh, who's this? What, what big name is this? I'd never heard him. And so I started doing some digging around and lo and behold, uh, this comes out of a, a longer video, a two hour and 12 minute video that Matt Fradd did with Dr.

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John Bergzma on February 12th. Here's the description.

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Dr. John Bergzma is a full professor of theology at the Franciscan University of Steubenville.

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Well, that's where Scott Hahn is, right? Well -known Catholic apologetics center.

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Um, he served as a Protestant pastor for four years before entering the

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Catholic church in 2001, 24 years ago.

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Now the, the sense you got from the, from the quick video that was thrown out was, you know, this is a, another new convert and stuff like that.

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Now this is 2001 while pursuing a PhD in theology at the

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University of Notre Dame. Oh, he converted while going to a Catholic university.

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That's never happened before. Ah, specializing in the Old Testament and the

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Dead Sea Scrolls. Dr. Bergzma graduated with high honors in 2004. He is the author of numerous titles, including

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Bible Basics for Catholics, a new picture of salvation history. Well, okay, so this is old news.

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This guy converted a quarter century ago, in essence. Um, and here's the thing.

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I've listened to a lot of convert stories over the years. Um, you know,

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I started dealing with Roman Catholicism and Roman Catholic converts probably right around 87, 88, right around that time period.

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Maybe actually a little bit earlier than that. Uh, I'd asked Benny, Benny's not around to tell me anymore, but, um, so it,

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I, I know a lot about Catholic converts and I've heard them. And one of the things that has struck me over the years, and I'm consistent on this.

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When people go the other direction, I, I warn them, you know, always be accurate, even in representing a position that you now abhor, deny.

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Um, don't make it worse than it actually was. Um, be accurate.

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Um, that's not generally how converts are. And what

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I see very often is within just a few years, all of a sudden, they're saying things about what they once believed that I go, you really believe that?

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Um, the, the language starts changing. And it's almost like the whole narrative starts changing, um, over time.

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And so somebody who converted 24 years ago, doesn't mean a whole lot to me as far as having any kind of serious, um, evidentiary credit to it.

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And of course I've said many times as well, when people convert from Roman Catholicism, what you hear from them is,

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I had never heard of what it means to truly have peace with God. I was, I was on this treadmill of sacramental forgiveness and, and I was really trying hard, but you were told you could never really know whether you have that kind of peace.

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Because well, as, as Ludwig Ott said in Fundamentals of Catholic Dogma, no one can ever know for certainty whether they have fulfilled all the conditions which are necessary for achieving justification.

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And when your whole faith is based upon achieving your own justification, rather than recognizing it's

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Jesus that achieves our justification. Um, yeah, that's, that's a real serious problem.

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And so when people convert out of Roman Catholicism, sure, there are some that, you know, really get into exposing

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Catholicism and stuff like that. But the vast majority of people are like, okay,

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I'm awful glad to know the gospel now and I'll do what I can to help other people to come to know the gospel too.

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And, um, but it, it's, it's a conversion to Christ. Uh, and it's a conversion to serving him in the local church.

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When people leave Protestantism, whatever that is, that's a very vague, doesn't really exist.

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It's just, they leave. And, and I think, I thought this had said, uh,

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I thought somewhere that this had said that Dr. Bergsma was a, uh, was

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OPC. I thought I saw that someplace. I'm not seeing that here. It might've been another thing that I looked at.

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I thought it was OPC. I, I could be wrong. Um, but when they convert, it's all about conversion to the church.

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It's all about the church. Um, it's not about peace with God.

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It's not about, um, having true justification because that's not there.

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It's all about conversion to the church. And you hear that all the time on the coming home network and come home to Rome and all this kind of stuff.

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It's conversion to church, church, church, church, church. Uh, and Jesus is out there someplace, but Mary's a whole lot closer.

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Um, and, and that kind of stuff. So there is a, a, a vast difference, uh, in how that happens.

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So here's the, um, hopefully this will come through. Here is the thing.

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It's just a little over one minute. It's obviously edited together argument against sola scriptura, uh, from a man who converted a quarter century ago and has been teaching it the central location of, of Catholic apologetics really, uh, for quite some time.

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So not exactly a new story here, but, but, but here's, here, here's how it goes. When I would talk with these other pastors,

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I discovered that we were teaching everybody different things about baptism, different things about marriage, different things about sexual morality.

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There was nothing on which we were all in unison, but we were all claiming a Bible alone. I quote all these verses.

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The other pastor would start quoting verses at me. It always degenerated into verses, verses, verses.

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I truly believed in sola scriptura, but I did not realize its implications. Each individual

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Christian ends up as their own Pope. The Bible does not interpret itself. The Bible has to be interpreted.

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Once you reject the interpretive authority of the church and the interpretive authority of the tradition, there's nothing else left except your own opinion when you read the

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Bible. And there is no way around it. I can see someone saying, what you're referring to is sola scriptura, not sola scriptura.

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You have to read it in light of the tradition. That's your opinion. What you're saying is my methodology is such and such.

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Whose authority is behind your methodology? That kind of supreme court for biblical interpretation really is the magisterium.

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It's an ecumenical council or the Pope. And even when the church's magisterium makes a decision that you're not comfortable with and you don't agree with, you submit to it.

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And I truly believe that sometimes God sends us councils or Popes that we're not comfortable with to test our faith.

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Because if councils and Popes only ever did things that at least on the surface agreed with us or what our preferences were like, then we would never have to make that act of faith in the

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Holy Spirit working through the church. Now, notice what he said right there at the end.

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That act of faith in the Holy Spirit working through the church. What does the

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Bible teach us about? Well, it doesn't have to. That's the whole point. To call that apostolic is to empty the term apostolic of having any meaning, because it's not connected to the apostles.

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So you need to understand in Roman Catholicism, apostolic does not mean it's actually connected to or taught by the apostles.

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What it means is it's taught by the church that we claim was founded by the apostles, but we are not even going to make, we're not even going to try, especially since Newman.

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We are not even going to try to demonstrate that what we're teaching today is true. It's actually from an apostle, but if it's taught by the church, it's apostolic.

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See how you change the meaning of words and by changing the meaning of words, you can make it sound like you're saying one thing when you're saying something completely different.

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And my response to this on Twitter on the 15th was,

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I am still utterly amazed in the day of Francis, the day of the

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Jerome Bible commentary, the day of Boston College, that the Roman Catholic conversion industry keeps pumping this stuff out.

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The lack of self -awareness and historical awareness is just stunning. Now, I find the latter part humorous because now all of a sudden you don't just need faith in Jesus.

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Now you need faith in the Holy Spirit working through the magisterium of Rome. Yeah, just what the apostles taught.

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Definitely lined up for the next DL. Well, I expected at that point the next DL would be on the road and not here, but here we are.

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Oh, and don't worry, we're still doing the dividing line, hopefully, because we're not going to have the wireless system in the

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RV. It's going to have to be my phone or the Wi -Fi at the hotel, but they'll probably end up charging for that.

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Look, my phone has 5G ultrawide. It should be just as good as the unit, so we're going to be doing programs as best we can from hotels.

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We've done it before, except I think, to be honest with you, what we did back then is we recorded it and then

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I uploaded it, which we may have to do once, twice, too. We'll see, but we're not just throwing it out the window.

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We are going to continue, especially if there are developments in regards to the papacy and stuff like that.

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We sort of have to do that. Anyway, so every single thing that he said we have dealt with so many times we've lost count, but it's just so hypocritical.

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This guy teaches at Steubenville. He knows that if he goes to Boston College and tries to teach the same things there, he's going to be getting all sorts of pushback because this we're all on the same page stuff is ridiculous, and he knows it.

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That's why I mentioned the new drone Bible commentary. I don't have it in here right now, but the drone

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Bible commentary, this big, huge, massive beastie, and in fact, don't let me leave without that.

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I should have that with me for preparation for the

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Heshmeyer debate. See, Joe, I'm going to look at the new drone Bible commentary, or at least have it on the desk.

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The Pope wrote the forward for this thing, and the interpretation of texts in this commentary is in no way consistent with the interpretational methodology that gave rise to the

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Magisterium in the first place, let alone many of the dogmas of the Magisterium, such as purgatory, indulgences, all sorts of topics like that.

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So what do you mean, well, we were all saying different things?

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Let's say, for the sake of argument, let's say that this gentleman was an

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OPC minister for a few years, okay? Are you seriously telling me?

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Look, I know OPC ministers. I have dear friends that are OPC ministers.

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We disagree on baptism, for example. But when we debate baptism, what do we do?

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We go to the scriptures. And let's say you all have disagreements.

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What do you go to? We go to the scriptures and the Magisterium of the church, but don't you have a living head of the

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Magisterium? He can't answer this question? Why, after 2 ,000 years, do you still have disagreement?

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Why, after 2 ,000 years, is the drone Bible commentary such a joke? Why is it so mealy -mouthed?

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Where's the apostolic tradition? Where's the apostolic authority? And why is

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Francis sending nice letters to Father James Martin, who's promoting the

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LGBTQ movement amongst Roman Catholics? I know you're tired of hearing that, but he's your pope.

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And what if the next guy is even more supportive? Two popes in a row.

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Who are you to question that? Why shouldn't that be enough to recognize that what the liberal

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Protestants have been saying all along is true? I've tried to tell you this.

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When when fiduciary supplicants came out, what was that?

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A year and a couple months ago? When fiduciary supplicants came out, I tried to say, folks, this is how the left works.

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It's always how the left is. You just kick the door. You don't kick the door all the way in.

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You get it open just a little bit this time, then a little bit more, then a little bit more. This is how the mainstream

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Protestant denominations got destroyed, taken apart, turned into the babbling, rainbow -stoled priestesses that you see all the time provided to us by the people who spend their

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Mondays reading, watching these incredible videos. I don't know how they do it. That's how it happened.

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And so, if that continues, what are you going to do? Are you finally going to admit that this so -called infallibility apostolic tradition is nothing?

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I am sure that what you're taught, I'm sure that what is taught in the theology classes at Steubenville is very different than what's taught in the theology classes at Boston College and numerous other

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Roman Catholic institutions of higher learning across the United States in the Western world. I'm sure it is.

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So, don't sit there and attack the scriptures as being incapable of providing guidance when you've got none to give yourself.

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When that man converted, the Catholic catechism acknowledged that capital punishment was ordained by God.

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It was at least still somewhat consistent with the catechism of the Council of Trent. Now it's not.

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Oh, well, that's the end of that, isn't it? Well, if you're making the arguments, you are. Yes, that's the end of that.

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You've just been convicted as a hypocrite. But as I said in the last program, you're not going to know about what

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Pope Francis has taught, whether it is accurate and dogmatically valuable until he's dead and you're dead.

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That's the problem. And what if you're a young Roman Catholic right now? Maybe you didn't know

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John Paul II. Maybe Francis is all you've known. Okay? Let's say he dies and his successor lasts as long as he did and is just as left -wing as he is and only continues to push the narrative that Francis has been pushing.

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Now you're 20 years down the road. So what do you do with the popes that came before him that taught differently?

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This has now become normative. But what if a pope comes along that changes all back? You have no guidance.

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You have no objective truth because the objective truth that's been revealed by God has to be interpreted by the subjective individuals who make up the

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Magisterium Roman Catholic Church. Right? So all this stuff, we just came up with verses, verses, verses.

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Oh, so inspired words of God and inspired words of God versus the uninspired contradictory words of uninspired people down through the centuries.

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Right? That's why in 1999 when

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I debated Mitch Pacwa in San Diego, Large Presbyterian Church, my closing statement, what did

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I do? I got out that silver book bag that's in the other room, still there, and I got out the

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Cairns Decrees of the Council of Trent, Vatican II, documents cited

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Vatican II, Code of Canon Law, big old stack of books, yay big.

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And I said, what we're being told tonight is that the words of Romans 5 -1 are more clearly understood after reading all this than if you simply read what

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Paul wrote in Romans 5 -1. The reality is just the exact opposite is the truth.

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The exact opposite is the truth. Because you can interpret, if you think interpreting the

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Bible, you can interpret all sorts of different ways. Wait till you get that pile in there.

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It's interpreted every different way. And Francis will interpret it one way and Ratzinger another,

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John Paul II another, and whoever Francis' successor will be, will be another. All different because they're all just men.

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They're not speaking for God. So when

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I hear this kind of stuff, now here's this guy, you need to understand something.

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If he was OPC, the range of theological beliefs represented within the

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OPC is a millimeter in comparison to the range of theological beliefs expressed within the

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Roman Catholic Church. Super narrow. Now, do they fight like cats and dogs in that super narrow?

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They do. And every single OPC minister I know will tell you.

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Because I don't know one of them, honestly, that hasn't had charges brought against them and brought charges against somebody else.

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It just seems to be what you do over dinner. It happens all the time. And look at Reform Twitter right now.

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Oh my goodness. But when it comes to what we believe that's different, it's tiny in comparison to the unanimity on so much stuff.

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And you look at Roman Catholicism, oh my goodness. How many people do you think that teach at Notre Dame, that teach at Boston College, that teach at these massive

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Roman Catholic institutions? You go to the Ivy League schools and stuff like that.

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How many of them believe in the bodily assumption the way it was originally defined only 75 years ago?

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Very few. Very few. They've all redefined that. They've all redefined that.

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And there's a whole list of dogmas and beliefs that we could put in there you will find the widest imaginable expression of beliefs about those things.

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And you know why the OPC don't have it over there? Because they can't. They can't make up new dogmas and claim that the apostles came up with that.

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So this whole thing, this whole kind of argument, it sounds real good until you get inside.

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It's sort of like a lot of the EO guys right now. Oh, we're the actual ancient church and everybody else will split off from us.

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Rome split off from us and then you all split off from Rome. But we're the whole thing and we're all together.

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And then you get inside. Oh, the Greek Orthodox and the Russian Orthodox and Ukrainian Orthodox and the old calendar and the new calendar.

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Guess what? All sorts of disputes and everything. Yeah, but did you see that video?

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I posted a video. I'm going to end up going a whole hour, aren't I? I posted a video, ran a podcast video.

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There was a video of this Orthodox priest and he's taking a relic.

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It's a piece of bone from a saint. And he rinses water over it into a big vat, rinsing water over it.

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And then he stands back and everybody rushes with buckets and they're scooping up the now blessed water that has touched the bone of the saint.

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And it's now special holy water. And you look at that kind of stuff and you go, apostolic tradition.

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You're redefining the word. You're redefining in such a way it has no connection to the apostles at all.

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Can you imagine the apostle Paul seeing that happening? I wouldn't want to be nearby.

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I really wouldn't. Wow, amazing stuff, amazing stuff. And so this kind of stuff gets thrown out there.

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And then when you try to stop people and go, okay, could we think about this?

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Oh my goodness, the kind of stuff that gets thrown back at you. It is truly astonishing.

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It really is. The pope has double pneumonia.

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And I don't know what's going to happen. By the way, those of you that are interested,

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Vice President J .D. Vance converted to Roman Catholicism and is buds with Scott Hahn at the University of Steubenville.

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He's from Ohio. I bet you he knows Bergman, this guy we're just hearing.

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So look up Roman Catholic integralism.

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Look it up. They have their own Christian nationalist movement. And it's amazing the very obvious parallels in behavior and attitude between the

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Roman Catholic integralists and our own homegrown body -measuring

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Christian nationalists in our day. There's a lot of parallels there.

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There really, really are. And to be honest with you, it seems to me that a lot of the

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CN guys that have decided that I'm irrelevant, and I'm a waste of time, and all the boomers just need to retire and go away, and we never did theology anyways, and all the rest of that kind of stuff.

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Um, it seems to me that those type of CN guys, they aren't ready to deal with Roman Catholicism.

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Especially if they're Thomists. Because they're compromised from the start, epistemologically, as far as scriptural sufficiency.

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They're just not, they ain't ready for this. So it's interesting.

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I appreciated what J .D. Vance said to the

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Europeans. I am, I'd like to say that I'm tired of the

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United States paying to defend Europe, which I am. But I'm more tired of the leaders of the

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United States stealing the American people blind through money laundering schemes called

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NGOs than I am the military expenditure to defend

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Europe. One of those things is just simple, straight up treason.

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And I think we've already exposed so much of that that I think a lot of us are just sitting back going, how does any of this get fixed?

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No one's going to be held accountable for this. It's just astonishing what that has all demonstrated.

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But anyway, so keep your eyes open for opportunities.

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If Pope Francis passes, there's real opportunities to go, he was a maverick pope.

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And he said some good things. He said a whole lot of bad things. And whoever's coming up next, is this really the form of the church that the

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New Testament directs us to? The answer is no. So you have opportunities to talk about the biblical teaching on the nature of the church, if you know, if you know, as well as, more importantly, the gospel.

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The gospel. What is the gospel? The gospel does not require you to believe the mass is a perpetuatory sacrifice.

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That will be the topic of the debate, not this coming weekend, but the weekend thereafter in Jonesboro at 12 .5

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church. So make sure to, if you're in the area, we'd love to have you there. If we are not experiencing another arctic cold snap by that time, let's, we don't know whether it will.

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Hmm, okay. Interesting things going on, on, on Twitter again.

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Anyways, thanks for watching the program. I'm, I'm pretty certain, unless something really goes wrong, that the next time we get together, the background will be some boring picture on the wall in a hotel room.

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Not my cool background, the stone wall with all the colors and everything else. No, it'll be boring for the next couple of weeks, but we'll do our best to, to get together with you.

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Thanks for, and please hit the, hit the travel fund. We're going to have to pay for those hotels.

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My goodness. When we went up to Salt Lake, the Motel 6 back in the day, it was 29 bucks a night.

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Yeah, I know. And I, I'm sitting here trying to find stuff out on the road.

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And it's like, seriously, $174 is the cheapest you've got, you know, other than Motel 6.

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Great. Okay. Yeah. So hit the travel fund, keep us rolling. Pray for my safe driving as I go that far.