October 19, 2004

Webcasting around the world from the desert metropolis of Phoenix, Arizona. This is the dividing line. The Apostle Peter commanded Christians to be ready to give a defense for the hope that is within us.

Yet to give that answer with gentleness and reverence. Our host is dr. James white director of Alpha Omega ministries and an elder at the Phoenix Reformed Baptist Church. This is a live program and we invite your participation.

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Initial Greetings and Recent Travel

And good afternoon. Welcome to the dividing line and unusual Tuesday afternoon 4 o 'clock program but that's because it was just a couple hours ago that I touched down at Sky Harbor Airport and And So we Sort of needed to move things back a little bit.

We got home from Edmond, Oklahoma. And had a good time there that was of course Opportunity to minister to church there met some really great folks. Had some great conversations of people and it's beautiful area back there really has hadn't been there before.

Just be very very careful don't get in the way of those folks and football. Wow I landed on Saturday afternoon and every television in the place was on the Sooners game and Even when I got my rental car.

When I got my rental car the the it's it's blasting in the rental car. I mean it was it was really odd these people up. Mmm. These people very very focused Football man, that was that was that was really something else, but I told them if they would like to Have a semi-professional football team that we would be glad to a pack up Cardinals and ship them on over because We really didn't really they don't do too.

Well here and maybe they do better someplace else. I don't know but Anyhow It is today has come up and and the cult I don't have any idea what that means. Who's who's that? Don't know who that is. Sorry anyway, um Did it did it did it did he I have hesitated a little bit, but I'm I think it needs to be addressed as most of you know the controversy with Rob Schlafler and discerning reader has come back to to haunt us yet once again this time it Started off because last Friday someone came into channel and posted a URL To the description of the God who justifies now I think somewhere and I I need to do a little more digging through my files.

I I may have Saved and Oh, I see Whatever I'll get to eventually that I I think I may have saved the Description of the God who justifies and so I'm I'm gonna do a little more digging for that it may be on my laptop instead of my main computer, but anyhow, I I read the description of The God who justifies and it contained the Assertion that this book doesn't contain exegesis.

It contains this Theologizing stuff and anyone who's read the book knows. That's just simply ridiculous. So you have to redefine exegesis and the asserting reader now defines exegesis as what NT Wright does which a lot of Older folks don't believe that what NT Wright is doing is actually that that he's the one doing the theologizing so I guess it's just time to redefine terms here, but the majority type of complaint that I've gotten about the God who justifies is that it's too complex is too much original language is too much exegesis there's all that kind of stuff and So I I responded on my on my blog.

So what I did is I responded to what I feel is a gross misrepresentation By someone who you know until May of this year. I thought we were I thought we were buds I thought we were on the same page. These are the folks who were who were pushing the stuff against Dave Hunt, you know, what love is this?

They were they were pushing the the Potter's freedom. I thought we were all on the same page. I really did and then come May Rob writes to me promotes NT Wright. I dared not agree and The response has always been the same kind of response.

It's always personal. It's never the issues it's personal personal personal slap you upside the head you you're lacking discernment you you're wrong about this and Eventually what you get to is if you're a Calvinist, you're mean terrible horrible nasty person.

I mean a lot of folks are starting to get that with with fair regularity and and I'm gonna read you some stuff today. It's gonna prove that beyond any any shadow of a doubt. So all I did was said hey folks, you know, this is wrong.

This is this is a misrepresentation of my book and and This is something that Rob's been telling people and by the way, as I mentioned when we discussed this before I never said anything publicly. Until Rob's Rob slapper started going after me publicly until he until he took it public.

I just Absorbed it. It was like well, all right. So much for thinking that this was somebody who was on my side was a friend or something like that Chalk that one up the list grows longer and it was not until he started making public comments that then I then responded that part seems to disappear in people's thinking and even when I did and you go back and read the blogs even when I did I've always tried to differentiate between Rob and discerning reader.

Because I and I even said in the blog a couple days ago I I said I know that there are people there that haven't been caught up in this NT right stuff and and I've tried to Leave open the possibility.

I don't know how big this company is. I haven't the foggiest idea. But I've tried to leave Oh leave open the possibility. There are people there What in the world was sound like the horn honking someplace?

Now that happened and I Can't I'm sorry, I can't read Stuff I'm getting PMS and stuff. That's really really really very distracting. But I'm gonna click on it and hope the world doesn't blow up in the process.

Anyways, I've tried to be nice to discerning reader. And even though for years I Have heard The Discussions and the You know the the complaints that You hear about discerning reader I've heard lots of folks who have said things like, you know, I can't get my books we had a folk fell in channel took a month to get his books that he ordered back around Christmas and I heard a lot of complaints for years about discerning reader.

You know what? I said, whenever anybody would say that you can go back people in the chat channel will tell you I would say well, you know, I've never had a problem with them and I'd see those things.

I go. Wow, that's that's odd, you know and stuff like that and so I I Really did everything I possibly could to Bend over backwards to separate Rob from the discerning reader. I I never Joined the bandwagon saying hey you you shouldn't order from these folks nothing like that kind of stuff.

So I waited till he came after me To respond to him. I tried to respond to the issues Etc, etc. So finally back I think in July. I thought things had calmed down then in September this year. I was up in Canada and Some of you will remember the wonderful Oh Hi Don, everybody say hi to Don Lord and channel I tell him explain to Don and channel that I can't talk right now because I'm like doing a program right now.

But y 'all I'll explain that to him, please appreciate that. So he doesn't think I'm ignoring him but I Would like to say hi to him. He's a former member of our church from Phoenix reformed I'd like to say hi to him, but I can't do that right now on September 14th.

I was up in Canada and There's one of those situations I was just trying to find an access number to to get my mail and all the rest that kind of stuff and Unfortunately one of the Emails that I got was from Rob Schlaffer and The email address is Rob Schlaffer at Mac comm which is his email address and it's dated Tuesday, September 14th 2004 quote You need to drink a little less protein and back off on the testosterone before you overdose on machismo dot dot dot end quote now.

Those of you who know should know that that was a quote from our famous insulter of the brethren the great practitioner of ad hominem Paul Owen that I had posted on my blog and Below it you we have the following I have to say James with much love and respect That Paul has something to say here this has been my experience with you and then Rob Non-capitalized now anyone who's gotten some of these loving notes from Rob Schlaffer knows That that's how he signs his name.

That's his email address and that's how he talks. No question about it. Why do I say that? Well, I ignored it. I didn't respond to it. I Just I just ignored it. But I made reference to it on my blog and Rob now isn't is informing everybody including on his His own blog today that he never wrote that that he never sent that to me.

Even though I quoted it to him and sent it to him. He denies that that came from him. Don't know who in the world it came from somebody who knows how he signs his name and everything else, but I guess someone hijacked is a computer and And is sending emails under his name.

And so on his blog today, he says that a Couple things he says I have sent no emails to James since my formal apology nor have I followed his blog life is too short. So you have the documented evidence and then you have the claim.

It sounds like we're in a political situation here, but Evidently, he's forgotten about sending it and even when seeing it was not reminded of it. But he has chosen not to address that issue one way or the other.

He claims that that review has been there since late winter 2003 again. I'll have to take his word for at this point unless I can track down The version of it that I saved back about May or August or so.

And if I find that it was the same then I'll say well It was the same and if I say it was different than I'll play I was different. But the point is it's a misrepresentation either. Way now notice what then comes next.

I had said on my blog now I know that not everyone at DR has jumped on to the Calvinist or nasty people. We are not reformed. NT Wright rocks bandwagon, and I'm thankful for those folks so here I'm trying to again say I realize that there's other folks who work up there and Differentiate listen to the response.

I get everyone at the DR is hurting due to the abuse we have suffered from staunch Reformers like dr. White who seem determined to drive us out of business. And we don't look at these matters with such a sophomoric attitude.

Jesus rocks. Everyone else is a major disappointment. Everything that happens with this man is somebody else's fault. I've been seeing these complaints about discerning reader for years when I was when I had them linked from my site and Yet, it's my fault.

I've tried to drive them out of business. That is one of the most absurd things I've ever heard in my life. It is absolutely ridiculous. I have I have not even told anyone not to order from them for crying out loud.

When you don't deliver books for months on end and you call people up on the phone and ream them out for not being spiritual. Because they just want to get their books. They ordered from you, and it says on your website ships in 24 to 48 hours or something I'm to be blamed for that.

Wow I I started reading this and I'm just like I Just cannot even begin to believe this then. He doesn't bother to read what I said on my blog. I had said the description had always contained a note that just as the book says and explains the text I did not deal with NPS and that is in the review that I've read they point out I don't interact with NT right and these other people and I said The book says and explains in the text I said in the book this is my audience and this is my area I'm not dealing with These other areas over here.

And I said that the book will not deal with any system based upon a fundamental denial the inerrancy and ultimate authority scripture. That's what my book says. But mr.. Schlaffer doesn't read it well enough.

He says not true. This is the only note. We have ever published about the book. Prior to winter 2003 we simply listed the book as one of our essentials. Wait a minute that that's not even what I was talking about I was saying in my own book I explained I wasn't gonna be dealing with these things so why fault me for not dealing with things that I said I'm not gonna be dealing with.

That has been a common element and it's just like listen read the book look at the book and the book says here's what I'm gonna do and Then people say oh, that's a bad book because it doesn't do this this and this but it does do everything that it said it was gonna do right and Yeah, okay, and I Then talked about exegesis, and he says we disagree and if it is so then there's a little hope for anyone to be oh I need to read the context listen to what I had written.

I Still happen to believe that what we have taught about justification is very much the heart of the gospel. And unless someone knows that first the dangers of these other views will seem like nothing more than nitpicking by theologians.

With way too much time on their hands listen to the response. We disagree and if it is so then there is little hope for anyone to be saved outside the Reformed tradition. Do you hear that? You hear hear that if you actually believe that these issues justification is central then that's now what Rob is saying in response to you then he again takes on the idea of What exegesis is and and this was?

The nice part that was that was the nice section. Now the stuff. He sent me in an email wasn't nice at all yesterday in in any way shape or form and I really can't read a lot of that, but I Can mention most of what just came in this afternoon?

And that is I received an email from the discerning reader. The email address is contact at discerning reader dot inf o it Is signed by Julie Barrett customer care manager. The discerning reader? The Subject is James white is just a major jerk duh.

Let me read portions of this to you. I can't read all of it because it would be against FCC rules. And in fact I would lose points in the NASCAR race if I did this is Julie at the dr. Dr. White you are responsible for so many of the lies.

Spread about the dr. As a few selective people have gotten your ear and Phil Johnson's. You write that the dr. Has developed the most incredible reputation for making deliveries four months after an order is placed.

We have over the years been the only USA work that was that has actively promoted books from Scotland's Christian focus. CFPs USA distributor went under in January. And we have all been dealing with terrible backorder problems ever since our good promoting a little no I think should be known Reform bookseller has been talked evil of and who is doing the talking nice Calvinist like you jerks all the ladies concur.

You are the biggest jerk of all James. Okay. This is the first time Julie that I ever ever ever Said anything about this and this was after your boss Wrote to me and said I'm the reason that dr. Is going out of business First time.

So this all happened in the past 48 hours. I Saw these complaints years ago. Not just since January. I Saw these years ago a little bit of a truth problem here. You say I am responsible the numerous reviews that have been sent out to me were in people document.

You're calling them and reaming them out because they want their books faster than a month or two after ordering. This was something that I had written to Rob Schlaffer because he was blaming me and I'm saying wait a minute.

I've been seeing these reviews online forever, and I am somehow responsible for these things and Julie responds Rob has responded to people who have Threatened us. Period. The folks I have seen numerous, and I do mean numerous different websites That have been posted in our channel have been sent to me people from all sorts of different walks of life.

Who have talked about what happened when they contacted the Cerny reader and said where's my stuff? So evidently if you contact them and say where's my stuff? That's threatening them. His point has always been that Christians do not threaten.

And we have that listen this. Like the Reformed Baptist pastor who reported us as a fraudulent business to the state attorney general. Because we accidentally sent him one copy of your debating book instead of two it shames Jesus.

Well, you know what we've had folks who've done stupid things to us, too we have folks who do stupid things and order stuff from us and They they we've had people contact us and say I'm gonna contact the Better Business Bureau and and Because you said you're gonna order.

You know send me this that and the other thing and we don't have any record of it whatsoever. And we have to check all this stuff out and all that kind of stuff. But the fact the matter is I've never talked about any of this.

This is the first time. I've ever even mentioned it. Yeah, you can chime in here if you want to. I don't care. That's all right, and it'll help help me calm down. I guess I hope so.

Goodness gracious. You know it as you pointed out it. It shouldn't surprise anybody that. We've gotten complaints, too. We've had people call up and say you know just over the sola scriptura book or the scripture alone book we had a ton of pre-orders and You know folks call up, and they're upset because hey three weeks ago.

You put on your website. No, we're not talking droves here. But a handful of people have called up and said you know you I haven't received my book yet and your website said three weeks ago you were sending it out and the first thing I do Is I put my hat in my hand and I apologize and Then I Go find the invoice find out what happened while I've got the person on the phone.

All right explain to them that our server had a hiccup and some invoices didn't get invoiced at that time. We thought we got them all but there were a handful that we obviously didn't get and then I'm sending it out right now.

Right right now. To me you know. When somebody calls you up, and they're upset because they haven't gotten the kind of customer service that they are accustomed to getting you want To make it right. You want to do whatever you can to make it right?

And you know what if it ultimately comes down to the fact that you cannot take care of that Person and their needs and their orders you at least refund their money do something you do something you at least say you know what?

You know can we do this or can we do that you try to work something out and ultimately if it just doesn't come down to It you've got an impasse, and you're not able to work things out you refund their money.

And and you say you know I'm sorry we couldn't work it out. Yeah, and you go on.

Yeah, and we're obviously a considerably smaller organization. And You're a nice guy. This right after we read it shames Jesus. Do you know how many hundreds of copies the Potter's freedom book we gave away to people.

Dr. White you seem to have a short memory. That's why I thought we were on the same page Julie until your boss Handed me my head on a platter and started insulting me in public. I thought we were on the same page.

That's why I was referring people to you, that's why I did not repeat the Complaints that I did hear about you. Until you sent me this email anyways. You say Rob needs to stop blaming others for his woes.

I've had nothing to do with your problems, and that's the way I told Rob. I mean when Rob tells me it's because of me the dr. Is going down. That's just that to me. This is someone who's not connected with reality, okay, I got nothing to do with it.

Okay, nothing at all. Julie says this is a lie dr. White your blog has been spread all the place and I have scores of nasty emails from your supporters. They even quote it it is cited on internet complaint stations put there by your loyal followers.

You give people the impression that we are crooks. You have destroyed the work God was doing through this ministry. How shameful someone who is supposed to shepherd the flock. God will destroy you. Dr.. White along with Phil Johnson and Steve camp you have slandered us terribly so much for your doctrines of grace all capitals.

I find interesting that someone's so into defending justification can be so condemnatory now that is irony. All I gotta ask you to do is read what I said in the blog and Then compare that and we've got a a bunker mentality going on up there.

That has very little connection to the truth at all, and it's sad. Absolutely sad I had said to Rob. I decided to go public in your critic I quote decided to go public in your criticism me. I simply refuted them that is Rob criticized me.

I simply refuted what he said. I wasn't attacking him. If I'm responding this to my two criticisms my work how can that be an attack upon him and It seems that Julie has no idea what the context is here because she responds Responds and says Rob respond to some questions of the dialogue box fairly the guy who asked them Sent the answers along to you in order to put Rob in the crossfire after all the proud dr. White has to take on anyone who doesn't take his narrow stand.

You said we were not on the true Christian path because Rob would not agree it to your witch hunt against NT, right? Quote that pretty boy right and quote which is a misquote of a conversation that Rob had with with the voice you just heard and I was talking about of course in this last instance where I was responding to the misrepresentation of the God who justifies you.

Julie representing discerning reader continues I pity you dr. White in addition to being a royal jerk you are just a sad example of a human being. Your Christianity sucks big-time. You tell Rob to please get some assistance since you seem to have a major league hard time accepting responsibility for your own actions which I did and Her response is please develop a heart and some compassion, but oh, that's right.

They're not qualifications for eldership and reform Baptist churches just got to have the right doctrine then in all capitals. We have a word that I cannot repeat on the air and in fact when I posted this in the channel Our profanity script kicked me out for so doing and rightly so Julie Barrett customer care manager the discerning reader folks real simple now if Someone who works for that company can send out this kind of email That is so disconnected from the truth it contains profanity and has that kind of attitude.

Now I will finally say it if I'm going to be if I am going to be Accused of doing this then I might as well now go ahead and do it. Don't buy from the discerning reader because they have no discernment.

Period end of discussion now. I've said it it took this kind of in-your-face nastiness To finally force me to say it, but now I'm gonna say it folks don't get it from the discerning reader. How's that is does that make everything happy now is everybody you know is that is that good?

Is this you know I just I can't believe this. Just like wow. The The only thing it reminds me of is listening to John Kerry. That's what it reminds me of no connection to rationality or logic at all just just zero nada.

I just unbelievable come home and having had a good weekend and You know talking to neat folks and and and things like that. And and what do you what do you run into you run into this kind of silliness and and and for what?

Do I get all this? Because I dared to point out that saying the God who justifies does not is is theologizing rather than exegesis is just simply silly and it is and so when you say that you are a big jerk and.

So now we have it all out in the open, and I have now officially said don't buy it from the discerning reader. There you go. You know if you're good if that's what you wanted me to do. Fine there's there's there's where it goes ah.

Why can't people deal with facts why can't why can't somebody just respond and go well actually you know. Let's look at the chapter on James 2 and let's see if we can find exegesis. You know that's what was missing and then and all the political debates and stuff like that.

There's no one ever answers a question. No one wants to deal with with issues people wonder why I like to have cross Examination where I can stop a person not just simply where I've got 30 seconds to ask a question.

Then the other person go on for like two minutes one of the main reasons is right here. It's this kind of thing because once someone starts babbling on like politicians do I Can stop them and say wait a minute?

That's not what I asked back to the point see. That's what you have to have in a debate well, I'm gonna go ahead and We're good. We're good. Can we take our break? Take a take a nice deep breath. We'll listen to Steve camp who just got dissed by Julie as well and and.

Auburn Avenue, Justification, and the Ministry Debate

Then we have calls we have calls online and and hopefully they're on on different issues, and I can Take a deep breath, and we will move on from there.

Today Today so many stars strong and true quickly fall away.

Convictions once held and died for among Bible-believing Protestants are now being reconsidered with the advent of the recent Auburn Avenue movement. Is there currently a common basis for dialogue between Roman Catholics and Protestants.

Were the signers of ECT correct in their? Ecumenical efforts and all of the reformed scholars who opposed them in error. Does Trinitarian baptism make one a member of the New Covenant. Our Roman Catholics our brothers and sisters in Christ.

Join us in Los Angeles, California on November 5th 2004 for a full three hours of moderated debate between dr. James White of Alpha and Omega ministries and Douglas Wilson of the Auburn Avenue movement and new st Andrews College as these topics are debated between two of the most respected representatives of the opposing viewpoints.

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Justification, the Gospel, and the Challenge from Within Evangelicalism

At the heart of the controversy between Roman Catholic and Reformation theology is the nature of justification itself. It is a debate not merely about how or when or by what means a person is justified.

But about the very meaning of justification and the gospel of Jesus Christ. What's a debate reserved for Roman Catholics and the Reformers. The doctrine of justification is now being challenged from within the walls of reformed?

Evangelicalism itself. Join Alpha and Omega ministries as we embark on our first national conference and confront this very issue. Justification the heart of the gospel with pastor and co-author of Holy Scripture the ground and pillar of our faith.

David King the president of the Southern Baptist Convention's founders conference. Tom Askel New Testament Research Ministries founder and author of evangelical answers. Eric Svensson. The founder of the Spurgeon Archive and executive director of grace to you Philip Johnson.

Nationally renowned Reformed Christian artist Steve camp and the founder of Alpha Omega ministries and author. Dr. James White. Join us at the Los Angeles, California LAX Sheraton ballroom on November 6 2004 beginning at 845 a .m.

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Caller Question on the King James Only Controversy

And welcome back to the dividing line. It's good to take a few deep breaths it's just. Go to huh? I don't even have that listed as a caller. That's interesting. We have I guess someone named Steve. I haven't been informed of this.

No Jeff. Oh, how about Bill Bob? Paul Peter and Fred that was who it was. We're just gonna okay from now on. Everybody who calls is named Fred. All right, so we're gonna take the first Fred Who's actually named Jeff and So if your name is Jeff, I'm gonna call you Fred, but we're called talk to Jeff.

Anyways, how's that? Okay, Jeff wherever you are, hi Jeff. Funny. I'm sitting going Steve. Where's Steve? I don't know that it says right my screen go to Steve first. I'm looking around for Steve. There is no Steve.

All right. Hi Jeff. Dr. White, how are you, sir? I'm very confused. I'm sorry. No problem. You know the weird thing is is.

Someone in intervarsity would always call me Fred, even though they knew I knew his name Jeff. There you go. Then maybe that's.

Maybe you're the only caller we ever have and you just are like that guy that does the radio Program where he does different voices and stuff. Oh if you need a pick-me-up, by the way a pick-me-up.

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Okay, that wouldn't do it afterwards and then you have to comment on it and the next show. It's just it's a Philly thing, but you'll love it. All righty, man. What can I do for you? Okay. I was out for lunch today with a friend Who is going to a reformed Baptist Church?

Yes, and he started Talking about King James stuff and then you know inside. I'm thinking Oh and You couldn't like break into the conversation too much and it started getting kind of weird and one of the things I was able to ask him and try to ascertain What he's where he's coming from.

He's coming from a new King James or a not new King James. King James only advocate position mm-hmm, and One of the things he mentioned was that when I asked about Erasmus, you know collating different manuscript traditions together.

So on and so forth. He basically said that was a rumor a rumor. For an earthen legend or something like that.

It was undoubtedly promulgated by the Internet.

Well the whole it bring that portion of the lunch I kind of had it's kind of like, you know. And it's like in a political debate, you you know enough to know something's wrong. But that there's there just keep spouting like, you know things at you and you just don't know where you know.

You just start all right. This manuscript and this this and this right. And it's like I don't have my notes with me, you know that kind of right. I understand so but I know since you wrote a book on The the controversy I was wondering if you could mention kind of not go over the whole thing, but at least Explain what Erasmus new King James?

The Texas receptive, you know, well It there are some Reformed Baptists who are into the Either Texas receptus or ecclesiastical text type movement and I I've Probably not preached in some places because I wrote that book even though it's it's truly amazing how unwilling most of those folks are to actually Engage a discussion of it on a factual basis.

It's just very very Very very odd indeed and So And as far as that that goes Erasmus's work Really? There's there were five editions of his work that came out during his life and those together with the work of Stephanus in 1555 and and then the 1598 Work of Beza were the primary Resources that the King James translators had access to and so what's generally called the King James?

Or the the Texas receptus is Normally at least as far as the little blue case bound version of people run around with is normally actually Scriveners going back to the King James New Testament seeing what textual choices they made and Then creating the Greek text based upon that That those particular decisions and so in other words a little blue case bound Texas receptus people run around with No manuscript in the world actually reads that way and in fact There had never been a Greek New Testament that read exactly that way until the publication of the King James version in English and that's actually a Greek text based upon an English translation which is rather odd and most people don't know that now the the fact the matter is that The new King James a lot of people are not aware of this the new King James Does not use the majority text it uses the same Greek text of the King James used which is What's generally called the TR and so that's what it's based upon and that's why it has the same odd textual material in it that You know the the unique readings the TR that are that are not representative of the earliest manuscripts in the New Testament and and so Some of those readings would be found in Beza over against Stephanus and and and Erasmus some of you found in Erasmus over against Stephanus, but an agreement with Beza, etc. Etc.

So there's there's differences between the five editions of Erasmus Stephanus and Beza but there are some that are just directly Erasmus and especially the end of the the book of Revelation where for some extremely odd reason The bad job in the book of Revelation that Erasmus did stays in his editions and isn't corrected by Stephanus and Beza and Becomes the basis of what we have in the King James and New King James versions of the Bible including words in Revelation chapter 22 that never appeared in any Greek manuscript ever known to man and yet they are they they remain there and how anyone can say that is The you know what we should adopt is is absolutely positively amazing to me I I know the ecclesiastical Text arguments and things like that and maybe someone from reform Baptist perspective could buy into some of that.

I don't know but that's just a a Brief a brief summary of those things and again, I went over it's in the King James only controversy. We have a presentation that we present in various churches about the role of Erasmus and and things like that and it is interesting to find folks who Who holds that view but do not hold that view in the Peter Ruckman sense the Gail Ripplinger sense I at least I hope this person would not hold those perspectives.