Trump Victory, Christians in the New Coalition, and Evangelical Reactions

Well, good afternoon everybody and what an afternoon it is boy. I'll tell you I Didn't know what was gonna happen. I was optimistic about Trump winning but because of 2020 I Wasn't sure and last night. I went to bed around 12 and thought this looks great.

But am I gonna wake up and find out the ballot counting stopped at 3 in the morning? And we don't know who the president is. Is it gonna be a repeat and it looked like it was gonna be harder for it to be a repeat because the numbers were coming in so big for Donald Trump, but I'm just very happy.

I'm thanking God. I'm really thanking God last night. I was this morning. I was. My wife actually did wake me up at 2 in the morning. So I got to go flip around the channel see the meltdown that was happening on some networks and it is good.

I mean, there's an entertainment factor to it. But it's good when people who hate your way of life and hate the gods you serve and all the rest are Freaking out and they're worried about what's gonna happen.

As far as their own policies going down the tubes and Donald Trump's and the Republican Party's Gaining sway and so I saw some of that and then I watched Trump's speech and I'll give you some thoughts on that but really optimistic about everything that happened and the GOP controls the Senate now it looks like and things are just going in a nationally at least a Better direction than they had been before now.

I'm I'm not naive. I'm not. I'm I'm not looking at this like an American revival of some kind or a spiritual revival of some kind necessarily. I'm looking at it for what it is. The Democrats pushed really really hard and This is the backlash against that and I'll go into why I think that.

But this was too big to rig and I didn't know if that was possible. I thought my Suspicions and my confidence in the Democrat Party's ability to rig things was pretty high and Donald Trump exceeded those things which I'm very happy about.

I've been actually driving through many states the last few days and I've only seen Trump signs my wife said she saw a few in Cookville, Tennessee, which I didn't notice but from Pennsylvania to Ohio to Indiana to Kentucky to Tennessee and obviously Pennsylvania swing state the rest being red states, but I only saw Trump signs.

I was kind of blown away by that that and a lot of them a lot of them and creative Trump's. I in fact yesterday I was driving in. This was actually in the morning. So I was in Cookville and we were about to leave to I'm at my brother's house right now and Heading east and On the way, I noticed there was a sign that said votes Harris and I thought oh there it is.

There's the first one and right next to it was this huge sign saying just kidding vote Trump and I thought she's a joke. She's a joke. They're comfortable Putting up a sign that says vote Harris just to make a joke about it because they know no one's doing it at least in Cookville, Tennessee so I Was encouraged by that and I'm assuming many of you are encouraged this morning.

And and it's good to be encouraged. I mean, I think I'm gonna probably go buy some steaks and just I mean, that's what do you do to celebrate right? That's one of the big things for guys at least, right?

We like to get some red meat and I'm gonna find the finest steaks I can find and we're gonna grill them up and just have a good old time. But I want to talk about a bunch of things in this particular podcast including the new coalition that's forming the we're entering new territory.

We really are and The conservative movement if you want to call it that even though I think Christian Evangelical movement is changing quite a bit in a lot of ways and I can't comprehensively go over all the ways that I'm seeing it Change, but I think last night there was a shift and I want to talk about that shift a little bit and what?

We should be thinking about and what we should be doing in a practical way Moving forward and what we can do that's helpful for the future of our country the future of our children and grandchildren and so forth so I Saw last night Going back to last night in the election a lot of meltdowns happening.

I think the Young Turks was the most entertaining of those meltdowns because sank. If I'm pronouncing his name correctly, I think it's or Cenk Uyghur or Uyghur, but he had behind him. It was like a train track in an urban setting and there was fire everywhere.

And I noticed a number of the other anchors had fire in the back like cities burning and I'm like what? Message are they trying to send but he was just going crazy. And of course Jen Psaki had A I think it was a tweet this morning.

That's going around everywhere where or no, not a tweet. Sorry. It was a it's in tweets, but she was Declaring Trump to be the winner. It was the moment. I think on MSNBC that Trump was declared the winner.

She had the The privilege but she didn't consider it that of announcing that particular fact and then of course she goes on this whole rant Highlighting all the things she hates about Trump and his career and there's a lot of that.

There's gonna be montages I'm sure by this afternoon that have a lot of different people having meltdowns and I think this is significant I think it reminds me of 2016 to some extent I think when the people who have been enemies of the truth of the good the true and the beautiful really of God and his order the most aggressive enemies of God and his order and the people who represent that meaning Christians in the United States.

I Think that there is cause to to be emboldened. There is cause to celebrate there is cause to Be excited that the potential pitfalls that the enemy was Planning for us have failed and that's only by the grace of God.

I don't care How much human effort went into this and there was a lot of human efforts. Obviously, I care that human effort went to it. But as far as giving credit Ultimately, it doesn't really matter how much human effort went into it if God was against it, right?

We know this is believers God Obviously is giving us some kind of a reprieve. He's giving us four more years of Some freedom a safety net I know for being in New York This is huge because New York passed.

I think it was called Proposition 2. I voted against it, but It's an insane law. Go look it up. It's it's not even a law. Actually, it's an amendment to their Constitution I don't know how many other blue states had similar measures.

I think some of them did someone told me some state in the Midwest it must have been Wisconsin or Minnesota or Michigan had a similar measure but in New York It was this there was a non or an anti-discrimination quote-unquote clause that they were adding to their very state constitution.

And it was so expansive. It did not just include the LGBTQ Panoply it also included abortion status. It also included immigrant status and the way you read this it could definitely be interpreted by lawyers to mean that if you spoke out against abortion and specifically if you Talked against abortion spoke out against it and applied it to a particular person.

Like you said an individual should not get an abortion or it was wrong for them to get an abortion that kind of thing. You'd be in danger of a hate crime. I mean, this is the kind of thing that's happening in deep blue states and it's scary for people who live there and I'm one of them currently at least and This gives us a safety net this gives us a reprieve this gives us at least the Satisfaction and confidence that on a federal level if Something like that went to court that we have a Supreme Court.

That's hopefully going to Make sure that those state's laws and state constitution amendments aren't applied in manners that actually do suppress our freedom to worship God and freedom to spread our religion Etc.

I Think you know having Donald Trump in there obviously gives us an opportunity to appoint more Supreme Court Justices that will reinforce that kind of thing so if you live in a deep blue state and there's tyranny on the horizon at least you have that that security that buffer that.

There is a system of adjudication. With Kamala Harris, I knew if that amendment got passed in New York and Kamala Harris was the president. It's just a matter of time. You know, you might have some court cases where this amendment is applied.

But eventually the numbers aren't gonna work. You're gonna have too many judges on the federal level who decide to Uphold a measure like that. And I think you know, at least I have some confidence that we've bought ourselves some time and that's huge.

That's a big thing. That's a good thing. So So anyway, I saw these meltdowns and one of the things that I noticed right away I was very curious of course for this platform, right talking about evangelical and specifically big Eva big evangelical influencers influencers that push the needle for social justice.

I'm talking about Matt Chandler and JD Greer and David Platt and a whole bunch of other people Russell Moore David French Karen Swallow prior Beth Moore. I could just go on and on and on Eric Mason the BDN of wheel a You know that a lot of the guys I would say at nine marks.

But a lot of the guys at the gospel coalition a lot of the guys at Christianity Today all of these people More or less on one level just about there's a few exceptions I'm sure but more or less they've pushed the needle left for years and they've done so in I would say careful ways at times subversive ways sometimes stupid and obvious ways, but Depending on the person we're talking about but they were silent last night.

I was going to the various Twitter pages just to see who's weighing in and and there wasn't much I'm gonna give you today. Who's weighed in as far as I know? Few of the names that you might recognize but there's been a lot of silence and and to be honest with you I even think that's a good thing for a number of reasons, but a lot of these guys do not understand it seems civics and how politics works and When they weigh in on these things and try to give their gospel centered view supposedly or their Their their Christian view of what political engagement looks like it's anything but a Christian view.

It's a naive view. It's an unhelpful view. It's a view that attempts to ensure that their churches are politically diverse and Democrats are welcome there and feel Comfortable as well as hopefully Republicans so you can get the widest net possible.

But in an urban setting more or less, but I I I don't think a lot of these guys were knowledgeable enough to even weigh in on it and the ones that were were ideologically on the left and The wind is taken out of their sails the wind is taken out of their sails and that's not just the doing of a Donald Trump victory that's the doing of a lot of us.

That's the doing of this podcast. That's the doing of Megan Basham's book. That's the doing of 80 Robles and what he's been doing and so many of the the newer younger podcasters and pastors who have in the last Few years since 2020 started to create platforms and have been getting on the same bandwagon.

That's the doing of capstone report and protest EIA and I could just go on and on and on there's there's too many names to mention, but that's the doing of a lot of people who have taken time and effort to Care about what evangelicals think and what their how their leaders are misleading them and a lot of people and myself included Didn't really need or want the aggravation that comes with that and there is aggravation that comes with it when you challenge those authority structures.

For sure. You're gonna be raked through the mud. Just look at what Megan Basham went through this year. You're gonna be smeared and told you're a liar and told you're racially insensitive or you're a misogynist.

Whatever. They're gonna smear you in some way. They're not gonna represent you and they're in oftentimes. It's passive-aggressive and it's Not the way it's not like a man faces another man where it's very direct.

It tends to be indirect and Manipulative and and you go through this and the reward usually isn't all that much. I mean you take pay cuts to I mean, I know I've done that I've taken a Large pay cut to be able to spend time Researching some of this writing about it.

I'm not complaining by the way I'm I think this is what the Lord wanted me to do. And so I'm not a victim I'm not saying any of that, but I just know it's a sacrifice and more so for you for many others I mean look at the people that just came out on this David Platt documentary.

These are regular average-day Joes. They didn't need their names in the limelight. They didn't need anyone to know who they were and now they've taking a big risk because they're putting their reputation on the line.

And if there's backlash and a most of the backlash is probably gonna be personal. It's not going to be necessarily public. You're not going to see it. But these are people that have to share a community with people who attend David Platt's church who own businesses, etc.

And they're willing to risk it for the truth. So that you aren't deceived so that you know that these guys aren't who they say they are behind closed doors. So that they're their judgments impaired. Maybe they don't care as much as they tend to make out like they do and and this has been.

This has been a team effort and so I just want to say thank you to everyone who supported this podcast and bought my books and all the rest because I Saw the evidence last night. This is just one little piece of it, but there's Not the boldness that I remember in 2016 and certainly well certainly not in 2016.

But also in 2020 not seeing that same kind of spirit come from evangelical bigwigs and I have no doubt. They probably feel the same many of them, but they're not saying it they know that there's going to be backlash and That's a huge huge victory and and this was one of the things that threatened the evangelical vote.

In fact, I I don't have the numbers in front of me. But at one time I know I had said that. Based on I think it was 2016 and 2020 results. There was evidence that there was a break happening in the evangelical ranks.

Still overwhelmingly Republican. But it was starting to shift and some of these efforts of guys like like David Platt who wrote the book before you vote which essentially argued hey you can vote for these liberal Democrats and they there's a lot of life issues and they're also supporting certain life issues because they're for racial justice and other things and That arguments not having the same effect that it used to have and I'm really happy to see that.

I'm really just I'm glad we're in the spot that we're in in so many ways. It's it's a good spot to be in. There's always dangers. There's always things to talk about and be concerned with and I'm going to honestly in the coming weeks I already have a podcast scheduled to talk about something that I see that's potentially Could be harmful to some people and so I'm we're always gonna see that but I'm not one of these guys who's going to make out to you like you know the Everything is a stage for cancer threat and you you must have me to interpret all of these things for you because You know, I need job security and you know, I don't believe that I actually I think a lot of the work that we work toward is having an impact.

We need to continue doing it. There's no doubt because there's still ways in which some of these evangelical influencers are trying to Have an impact in a different way. I think in a more indirect way.

So I'm gonna still expose some of this stuff. But look you can take a victory lap if you've been supportive of this podcast, you can take a victory lap. So just wanted to say that I'm gonna get to some of the reactions that were online.

But I I'm very positive about what I've been seeing. What else I wanted to just also say this is a really good thing some of the abortion measures I know they're Florida amendment for got a lot of press and it failed and we just thank God for that that Florida is they rejected a Policy that would have been Expansive for abortion and then of course, Arizona a policy that would have been expansive for abortion also Failed and we're so we're very grateful for that as well.

Now Abortion and there were I haven't looked into this deeply yet. Apparently there were other measures in other states. I guess that did get voted through so I'm grateful for those two things in Arizona, I guess the saving grace was there was a very high threshold for This particular law and they or referendum I don't know how they categorized it and that threshold was not net.

I think it was like 65 or something it was some somewhere around there. And so the majority voted In favor of abortion and it didn't matter because the threshold was too high. They couldn't meet it.

So there's still concerning things out there I'm gonna talk about that when we get to the new coalition that's forming but but we thank God we thank God for that for those two things and The other thing I would say about abortion too is it's not a winning issue for the left compared to other issues and that's something We can also thank God for.

Even though the left really made this the issue of the election and it is a winning issue for them in many ways. There were other issues that people cared about more. And so you had people who were pro-abortion who broke ranks to vote for Donald Trump and maybe because of immigration or economic policies or other things, but the net effect of that is you at least have four more years of latitude to work on the state level against abortion and you have the security that there's not going to be a Equivalent to Roe v. Wade type law passed on a national level.

So that's a good thing and I think there's other things Trump will probably bring back they'll probably be. I mean he had an executive Order basically saying that you can't kill a child after the child's born.

Mexico City City policy. Perhaps some defunding of Planned Parenthood. I'm positive that there will be some things on even the national level that can get done in a more anti-abortion direction. So I think that's a very good thing too.

And I know a lot of evangelicals care about that and for good reason. Of Course, I think I already mentioned New York Amendment to not that was it that's more personal for me. That's not a good thing and that's that is one of those things you have to consider if you're in a deep blue state like that you have a window right now and In this window, are you going to stick around because hey at least on the federal level?

I have a safety net or are you going to use this time to consider? Where should I relocate because I see the direction my state's going in the pendulum will likely shift at some point and I have the freedom right now and hopefully the economic prosperity etc to make a move and I'll tell you what.

This isn't an advertisement. This isn't Josh Abattoy didn't put me up to this, but I spent a day with him in Gainesboro, Tennessee. He showed me around the properties. They have he gave me the vision.

He talked about What they want to do their socially politically. How they want to strengthen the community. This is actually so much healthier and I might make enemies saying this but I think this is so much healthier Than some of the other schemes out there and specifically I'm thinking of honestly Doug Wilson's you know stuff in Moscow and nothing against moving to Moscow or Moscow rather, but What I would say is this When you are around people from the internet who appreciate a ministry and they move there nothing wrong with that that can be a good thing, but it's a little bit like online dating and You don't know what you're gonna get you you might find out Hey that person that I liked online you might find out about me, right if you saw me in a personal setting.

And I didn't know he was he was like that. I thought he was a serious guy, man he really he's a goofballers who knows what people think but You realize that the ideas that you build up in your head aren't always accurate and real life sets in and So anyway, I'll have to say not to pick on Moscow because I think look if I was in that situation I would want people moving to my town to my church to strengthen that area, but You're getting one type of person you're getting a person who is immediately already putting themselves under a particular hierarchy, right?

They're not just moving there for the area they're not just moving there for freedom. They're not just moving there for politics or social stuff. They're moving there for an entire lifestyle a church very specifically a certain specific leader that they want to be under.

Josh is doing it differently. And I think this is actually if you're going to start out Doing something like this. I think this is a healthy way to do it. Have a they're the very basic threshold that we want.

The liberties we grew up with we want the America we grew up with. We want to make sure that our children inherit that we want economic mobility. We want them to have property and be able to play outside to live in a high-trust society.

We want them to be able to Express and live their Christianity in a free manner uninhibited we want you know the jobs available for them all the things that you want for your children and This is the place we're gonna do it.

This is gonna we're gonna make this our stronghold. There's not one particular leader. There's not one particular denomination or church. There's not the The bunker mentality or the culty kind of mindset that can often form when it's just one type of person moving to an area there's a lot of diversity in what Josh is trying to do and and I I appreciate that because so many people have asked me about the Highland Rim project and The just the Ridge Runner project and John do you realize in fact one guy?

You know, he subscribed to the podcast and everything and kind of had to stop listening because he just thought you know I can't abide this you're going into these deep red areas and you're bringing all these kinds of people that are different and Isn't that gonna ruin the area and I'm tired of seeing and I get it.

I totally get it. I'm tired of seeing northerners move down south and bring their values with them and All of that and and don't you think this is you know, this is potential to be a disaster right right because you you're all Hoping to go there and you have a dream and what if that dreams unrealized or you don't get along?

And they've thought through that Josh has really thought through that and so he didn't pay me to say any of this. But look if you're wanting to use this four years as a reprieve and you just want to be with some at the basic level like-minded people whether they're Presbyterians or Baptists or you know, maybe some of them won't even be Christians.

They'll just be conservatives who Respect Christianity and want to live in a culturally Christian area you know you want that kind of an area for your kids and you you want to Be with people who want to come in support and integrate and assimilate into the culture that's already there.

Consider it consider getting on the waitlist for the Highland Rim project in Gainesboro, Tennessee and you can I don't know the website. You can probably just go online and type that in and find it. But that's one area a lot of people are moving to, Florida.

A lot of people are moving to other places not telling you to do it but it's something you want to consider especially if you have kids you have you have a window of opportunity here and It may not always exist.

So that's one very practical very personal thing that you can think and maybe maybe it is, Moscow, Idaho. It could it could very well be that so I'm not telling you not to do that. By the way, I don't want to Put a knock on people doing good work in other places and and so forth.

That's just my personal opinion, though I think it's much better when you move to an area and it's it's with the expectation of you're going to be. You're gonna be a Tennessean. You're gonna you're you're there for the people.

You're not there for a particular personality and that kind of thing. Anyway moving on from that probably shouldn't have said that but there you go. That's that's me. I say what I think I Think that Christianity is still receding and and this is an important thing.

I think to consider I Already mentioned that in the victory speech Donald Trump didn't thank God Dana White actually got up there and he referenced karma. Donald Trump did say God bless America, but you know, this was a little surreal for me.

I really thought I Mean I was I wasn't like so I don't know. It wasn't like super surreal, I guess but it was a little surprise I'll put it out. It was a little surprising That he didn't thank God after the assassination attempts and everything.

I just thought that would be the top of his list now. He was tired. He was Fatigued. I mean, yeah, I never seen Donald Trump looks so old and I get it. He's been just non-stop probably not getting sleep and speaking and hopefully he gets a long long Joe Biden length nap but I really I really think we're secularizing and we're continuing to secularize and In fact the polls seem to show and was it Steve Dace?

I think it was Steve Dace who had said something along these lines. Let me see if I pulled up the tweet. Yeah, Steve Dace said only 22 of the electorate was white evangelical the smallest turnout of evangelicals Trump has ever had 26 turned out in 2016 and 28 turnout in 2020.

And matches the lowest evangelical turnout since Romney in 2012. He did win 81 of them but Trump paid no penalty whatsoever for watering down his pro-life messaging even if it hurt his evangelical turnout and You know that I look at those numbers I view this a lot differently than some of the abortion abolitionist type some of whom I appreciate but some of whom I think have gotten very ideological and I'm actually very glad that Enough people did not listen to them that Donald Trump was able to win.

I don't think actually the the abortion abolitionist movement from my perspective does not have a Whole lot of momentum power or influence outside of a few very deep red states like perhaps Oklahoma and Idaho.

They really they have more state-level influence in places like that, but nationally like they're they're not that big of a I think Threat to the Republican Party and what the Republican Party wants to do.

The pro-life movement it in larger than them the name, you know, broadly speaking anti-abortion movement. We'll say including the pro-life movement. They do have significant influence but I think that influence is even waning and I do look at this differently, I think that Donald Trump the way Donald Trump works is and I've been watching this for years just being in New York and before his political career I mean where you watch the impretus and you can see this.

He's all about making deals he's all about he's a loyal guy loyalties the big that's that the currency Trump deals in and so when you have a group of people like the pro-life anti-abortion or even evangelical Christian crowd and they Say hey, we're gonna help you get elected.

But this is what you got to do for us. Trump has respected that for the most part. He respected that in 2016 and he got a Supreme Court justices who? Gave us the Dobbs decision. That's a huge victory.

I know I didn't actually think I would probably see that in my lifetime I didn't know that that was actually possible. Trump got it done. And that's the way Trump is he makes the deal and then he carries through more so than any other president in my lifetime in my opinion and and so Trump had a problem this time around in that abortion all the polls and I looked at them I mean, it's crazy, especially for Gen Z the polls show that this is not a winning issue for Republicans at all and The bean counters I'm sure in his campaign told him you're gonna do better if you actually start getting away from the pro-life messaging.

Maybe even signal that you're open to pro-choice and if you do that, then you can at least appeal to these voters who are pretty adamantly against the pro-life cause and Trump listened to that and I think Trump Trump struck a deal with other people.

He struck a deal with RFK. I mean you look at Elon Musk and Joe Rogan. I mean these guys are I think they're all pro-choice to some extent they're not you're conservative, they're not typical conservatives, but they were gonna deliver him I think more votes and and so that I think the logic the thinking with some of the hardcore abolitionist types is you should all.

We should all withhold our votes if we're against abortion. To teach the Republican Party a lesson. And of course, I argued against this very strongly and I said look you do that. This might be the last election I mean you got if you have four years of the kind of migration we've seen over the last four years and Enough of them are able to get identification cards and you don't have voter ID laws.

We become California and I really believe that and Thank God we we didn't have that happen. But if that happened and if that happens still in the future, you're gonna have permanent Unrestricted abortion because the Democrats will have permanent majorities and if it's not the Democrats, it'll be you know it'll that liberal thinking will at least be there and Will hold sway the radical end of it.

So anyway, I made the case strongly. We have to you have to vote for Trump and you have to show him some loyalty on a political level for what he was able to accomplish the last time around and push the goals where you can because you can Work in a Trump administration you have latitude to work.

You can try to cut deals where it's like leave us alone in, Oklahoma we're gonna push hard to get an equal protection amendment or something and You know, that's you know, try to cut a different kind of deal with Trump, but don't don't if you if the numbers work out that He's gonna go with the pro-choicers who are concerned about things like the economy and immigration and they will deliver more votes for him that's exactly where he's gonna go and he'll cut the deal with them and they will get more of their agenda passed and it's just the way politics works and anyway, I Think it was honestly bad that we had a suppressed evangelical turnout.

I think that evangelicals now Even though they went 80 for done 81 for Donald Trump. Evangelicals are essentially in the backseat of the car of the Republican vehicle. They are not Backseat drivers.

They don't get to call shots. Really. They're in the coalition they have a seat at the table, which they don't with the Democrats, but they do not have the kind of influence that they used to have and And There's reasons for this but most notably there's the direction of the entire country.

This isn't even just a political thing. This isn't because all the lesser of two evils were voted in every election and evangelicals keep compromising. That's how we got here I don't think that's it at all.

I think that there's something far bigger than that happening and there's a general secularization. We're becoming Europe go to the Northeast or the Pacific Northwest. See what it's like in those regions.

It is very. This is shocking actually for people in the Bible Belt. They just don't have a concept of it, but they are so Secularized and now paganized because nature abhors a vacuum that you feel the darkness.

You just feel I feel where I live in New York. You just it is not Christian at all and The the Christian the Catholic I guess you could say in that area influence is so negligible now you go past these historic churches and it's you know rainbow flags or a restaurant or abandoned and You might have some little evangelical Strip mall or you know, like some some church satellites in a strip mall, but Not many people are attending it's nothing like the Bible Belt and That's the direction though.

The whole country is going in they're sliding there at a different speeds and this is the conditions we have to do politics in and in those conditions where evangelicals have a waning influence and For whatever reason less of them decided to even vote this election.

Republican Party takes note of that and That means Evangelicals get a smaller piece of the pie. They get a smaller reward bag when Republicans get in control. We still get things but it's not going to be like it used to be.

I can see good things about this. But mostly bad I can see the good things are you know, the evangelicals that were arising in the ranks. Were I think wanting to steer us into an iceberg and they wanted to form a new coalition.

Where it wasn't we weren't, you know, so tied to rub the Republican Party and that you know. If the Democrats aren't gonna offer you anything I think they were under the false assumption that if you signaled left, maybe the Democrats would also Offer you something and that's just not true the Democrats Have no use for evangelicals you either get on the train and go with their entire agenda and you're okay with it or you get off.

There's nothing they have in return for you. The Republicans do still have things to give to evangelicals. And so we need to work to expand that we need to work to educate Christians and most of all All that's important, but we need to work to ensure that there's good Christian leadership that now a young right-wing demographic and the young people are mostly still left, but the ones that are Ascending in the Republican ranks that are very secular.

Some of them more pagan. The secular ones I think are looking for an answer. They're looking for religion. They're looking for something to fill that void and When they look at the evangelical landscape when they look at the JV Platt and a you know, JV Greer's and David Platt's rather and Matt Chandler's and Other mega church leaders.

What do they see? Nothing to attract them. They're being pushed away. So There's an opportunity right now for the for Christians to actually expand into that demographic if they can stop tripping over themselves to signal their support for LGBTQ stuff and and same-sex attraction and Left-leaning things and you know how much they care about the marginalized meaning we need socialism and that kind of thing if they can Stop doing that and start signaling more to the right.

They will and it's closed naturally from a biblical understanding. They will I think Expand their influence in politics in the Republican Party. And so it's a win-win. You did that, you know, it's a potential for Evangelizing and making converts as far as I'm not saying use this as it used the Gospels the evangelism strategy so I'm not saying use this as a strategy to like like a draw card that you we're gonna go right because the Demographics say that I'm saying more though that there's people that have been neglected you use a fishing lure that attracts all kinds of fish and the evangelicals have been trying to use a particular fishing lure that only attracts or Selectively attracts left-leaning people and urbanites and so forth and there's a whole bunch of fish out there that would bite a lure if it was Broader and if it just just be Christian about it.

I mean a lot of these even Secular Conservatives are operating in very Christian ways with the how they view society and how it should be arranged and how they view Morality and it's it's a it's a hand in glove guys like no-brainer.