Pastor Pleads With Satanist Communist

The Abortion Debate and the Humanity of the Unborn

He didn't touch you don't touch me. He didn't touch you. Oh, are you are you saying that other humans? Shouldn't be able to do things to your body without your permission. Is that what you're saying is that what you're standing on humans shouldn't be able to touch you without your permission.

What are you doing here? What are you doing here? You don't want people to touch you without permission. Think about a contradiction in that. Think about how the contradiction in that. Are people not allowed to touch your body apart from your position apart from your permission.

Do you see the contradiction there. The contradiction she doesn't want people to touch your body without for her permission. What about the babies inside? What about those babies? Can you answer that?

She doesn't want people to touch her without her permission. Is that a rule for humans is that no one can do things to my body apart from my prison my permission. Is that a rule how about those babies in there.

How about those babies in there? How about those human beings in there? They are human from fertilization. Do you love science? Do you love logic from the moment of conception the very moment of fertilization?

They are fully human from that very moment. That's a fact. That's a biological fact not just a biblical fact. It's a biological fact human from fertilization. Look at any how about you go to Princeton?

How about you go to Princeton look up them on biology of humans from fertilization? It's the moment of fertilization. I Didn't say that you're lying. I know you don't care about lying and murder, but that's a lie.

Just look it up. Just Google. Just Google that so what we were saying was she doesn't want people to touch her without her permission. Yeah, you think you're reasoning right now in a coherent way. You're not.

Your life is filled with evil with darkness with murder. You're not logical. I know I know and you revel in your sin. But there will be a day of judgment where you're going to face God for your sin. So again, you're human from fertilization.

You're human from fertilization. That's a fact. So you believe that we shouldn't be able to do things to another human's body apart from their permission. You already granted that. If we're human from fertilization, then we shouldn't be able to murder these children, correct?

There's no answer coming. There's no answer coming there's no answer coming. What's that is John in hospice is John in hospice. No, John's not in hospice. So you love Satanism and communism, yeah makes sense.

Would have guessed that before I met you. What's that? Your worldview is not coherent even to care about insults. Your worldview is not coherent enough to even care about insults. So, let me ask you. Are you a Satanist?

Are you a Satanist? Yeah, so as a. Okay, so as a Satanist as a Satanist, how do you defend anything at all as right or wrong? You haven't thought that far ahead. Have you you just worship the devil? Yeah, no, you don't have a coherent worldview.

You can't reason your way out of a paper bag. So tell us about the virtues. Tell us about the virtues of murdering children. Tell us about the virtues of murdering children. Tell us. Can't reason. Your worldview is broken.

Your worldview is bankrupt and so is your moral system. You women will face judgment. You will face God for what you've done today and every day outside of this abortion mill. He's he's going to answer you for every child.

You've murdered and he'll name their names because he knows their names every one of them. They all have names just like you and God will stand for your murder of these fatherless children. He's unprotected children.

He's gonna stand for all of them against you. You'll answer for it and Satan won't help you. Yeah, well hell isn't what you think it is hell is outer darkness. It is eternal torment. The devil doesn't rule there.

Jesus reigns even over hell and you'll face God. There'll be no parties in hell. There's no celebrations in hell. It's just you gnashing your teeth for all eternity for your sin. You're a masochist. That's obvious.

That's obvious. You know, that's not true. You're not peachy. You're not fine. You know, you know, you're not fine. You know that at night when you're alone you think about your situation. Before God, you know where you're at.

Yeah, no, that's not true. No person living outside of God in a relationship with him can be fulfilled because you're made in his image to know him you were Made like me like us to know God and to enjoy him forever.

That's what you were made for. Well, you never were a Christian. You never really were. Your body language you're twitchy you're nervous she was. You know, you guys are legitimately filled with demons.

You know that. You know that right you you you are not operating by yourself right now. You are literally influenced by demons. Yeah, well, you know, I it's probably already true about you and I hope that that doesn't remain true.

I Love you. I care for you. You are in the image of God. You're in the image of God. You are you're not an accident. You're not a cosmic accident. You're not the result of random evolutionary processes.

You have value and you have meaning you have purpose you're made in God's image. It's the truth whether you like it or not and you said a moment ago you felt great. Do you feel great as a cosmic accident?

You do so if you're a cosmic accident, there are no rules then are there? Well, if you're a cosmic accident and there is no God and you're not in his image. Then you don't have any value purpose dignity nothing and there are no rules.

There's nothing that we ought to do like right now. You're you're standing for women you think right? But if you're a cosmic accident, that's a meaningless thing because we're all accidents. There's no meaning.

There's no purpose. Do you see how what you're doing doesn't make any sense? If you're an accident than their accidents. There's no purpose or meaning and nothing is right or wrong. So even you're standing out here for these women you think you're doing that.

You're not doing anything noble in your worldview. Nothing is noble right now. Do you see what I'm saying? But if you're made in the image of God you have value and purpose and so do all those women in there.

If you want the value you think you're giving to these women you have to turn away from your sin to Christ. But that's just the point you see is that nothing matters. Do you see because you turned away from Christ nothing matters.

You just admitted to that. Is that isn't that right? Nothing matters. There's no meaning. There's no purpose. There's no good or evil. See your worldview can't even account for what you're doing right now to pretend to stand for these women.

You seem like a very nice young man, honestly you do but your worldview is completely broken. It can't even account for what you're trying to do right now. Because if you're a cosmic accident then so were they and that means that what you're doing right now is a waste of time.

Because they don't have any value. They're cosmic accidents. And so are you do you see when you turn away from Christ? There's no meaning. There's no purpose. There's no right or wrong.

That's the truth.

The Image of God, Meaning, and Moral Accountability

But you do have value. You do have meaning. You were admit you were. Maybe the purpose see that that just goes to show when I sit over there a moment ago. You're not happy. You're not. You're not. Well, you just admitted that you don't have any meaning.

So, okay, you think you have to have some like great greater purpose. I don't. I'm just living my life and vibing.

Living your life and vibing. Yeah, but you're an accident. So look, so if you're a cosmic accident, my name is Jeff by the way, what's your name Simon. Simon if you're a cosmic accident. So was this? And you and I would be no more meaningful or purposed or anything than this grass.

And that's your worldview, yeah, I respect so Simon, what are you doing so but why respect it it's an accident Simon. Simon, I respect the earth Simon. I respect the earth because it was created by God and is a special creation in your worldview.

There's no reason to respect the earth or over an asteroid. It's just a cosmic accident. And so are you? Simon you see you can't live that way. You don't live that way. I am do you think do you love her?

Does she have meaning and purpose? Yeah, not according to your worldview. She's an accident. And so are you? She's just a bag of protoplasm. And so are you accidents according to our parents? No, no. According to God.

Yeah, according to God you have meaning and purpose. You see you said you don't but here you look how complicated this is Simon. You think you're an accident but inside there you're standing you think you're standing for women and their rights and what's good for them?

But but all of that doesn't make any sense because there are accidents and so were you. Because God because God you see how you Simon you don't have an answer. Actually, I read it twice Simon you don't have an answer.

But Simon, you don't have an answer.

But you don't have you don't have an. I should not have been allowed to read that at 9.

Let me let me tell you why. It's the greatest story. Because God became a man to save sinners like you and me. It's not amazing how the Bible doesn't whitewash evil. And by the way, what's wrong with two daughters having sex with their father according to your worldview.

See in the Christian worldview. In the Christian worldview, that's wrong. What what happened what happened with lot and his daughters was wrong? But nothing is wrong with that in your worldview. We're accident Simon Simon.

We're accidents. And you don't have an answer do you. And you don't have an answer. Lot sleeping with his daughters is sinful according to the Bible, but not according to your system.

My system is Satanism and Satanism is as long as you don't harm others.

Who cares about harming others? Who cares about harming others? Who cares about harming others were accidents. Simon you said so you said don't have any meaning. Do you see how you can't even hold to that consistently.

Simon you're living in a world a bundle of contradictions. No human being outside of Christ can be fulfilling their purpose. Humans need to be safe. Why would humans need to be kept safe? Yeah, why would humans need to be kept safe.

His lie in your heart?

It's why he's a liar. He's a liar. He's a liar.

Simon. Simon, you know, you're broken. No, you know, you need Christ. Simon you know that your world is. Your world is. Your world is collapsed. Think about everything we've talked about so far. You can't justify anything you're doing.

Okay, you're living in contradiction. You know your life is broken. I'm the one here telling you that you have value and meaning and purpose. But you've adopted a position that says that you're cosmic scum.

Yep that you're an accident. That's your that. Simon you are more valuable than that. You are made in God's image. Now there is a God who loves sinners so much that he enters into this world to save them from their sin.

You've adopted darkness. Okay, do you see how the heart is so hard. That you're willing to just admit to the fact that you're living in darkness. I'm really not okay. So when I'm talking to you, I'm saying you are valuable.

I Care for you. You have purpose, but you're saying about yourself because if you're turning away from Christ. That you are not valuable that you have no purpose that you're living in darkness. Simon you need to turn away from that to Christ.

No, you just want to live in darkness. Yep. Okay, there's gonna be a day of judgment Simon where you face God who made you with a purpose. And you'll see how truly meaningful you are then and how truly meaningful your decisions were your entire life.

And how truly meaningful this moment is where you're guiding women in to murder their children. Simon.

I'm.

Passionately committed to you knowing that you are valuable. You are not an accident. You don't want to hear you just want to live in that meaninglessness. You want to live in that darkness. I Love you, Simon.

I want you to turn from sin to Christ experience forgiveness and peace and life. See your hearts been hardened. Sin sin will do that Simon when you pursue it long enough. When you and I pursue sin long enough Simon we get hard.

Our hearts get hard your mind gets hard. Simon I care about you. I Do we're here because we love you and love them. I know we're on opposite sides Simon. I know we're on opposite sides of this. But that doesn't mean I don't care about you and you need to know the story Of the gospel is that God loves sinners.

Like me and like you we both love darkness outside of Jesus. Me, too. We both love darkness outside of Jesus. It's not just your problem. What's that. We we film this for a number of reasons for obviously our safety.

We've had people like you pull guns on us before. I'm not saying I'm not saying you would. I'm saying it's happened to us before. It's okay. No, I'm not forgive me. I didn't mean that to say I'm blaming you or I'm accusing you.

I mean, we've had it happen before we've had we've had people attack us. So we do we do it for safety, but we also record it and we do put it up on our on our YouTube channel. So you we can have people see that we can have genuinely good interactions.

Together and talk and also want people to see what's going on out here. Simon you said you were you were a Christian. My family right you were raised in a Christian home right? We're here in, Florida Alabama what kind of church was it?

Southern Baptist, okay. How old are you now? 22 okay, so it's clear obviously that you never really knew Christ.

The Necessity of Christ for Moral Judgment and Human Dignity

But.

But can you just I'm just trying to talk to you as a friend here right now. Can you just tell me why? You've chosen The path that you're on the path of meaninglessness accident destruction darkness. I Mean I we can't really make excuses for our sin, but I'm saying like what was the turning point for you?

But remember this Simon there's no there's no such thing as a worse person. There's nothing there's nothing cruel. Simon do you see if you gave up Jesus you gave up any ability to say something is cruel or bad.

Like you and I look okay, I'm a pastor and Honestly some of the worst people I've ever Interacted with in my life are professing Christians. But why do I get to say that Simon? Because I have a standard of God and his character by which to measure these terrible Christians.

I I'll be honest with you. There are some people who profess faith in Christ. I would much rather you and I hang out have have lunch together hang out. Just have a good time together then hang out with them professing Christians.

But why do I get to indict them? Because I have the Word of God and God's own character to measure when you abandon Christ. You gave up the ability to call them cruel. I know a lot of cruel Christians.

I do some foul Christians. Some of the people who've hurt me worse in my life are Christians. But why do I get to why do I get to condemn them? Because I have a foundation by which it makes sense to condemn them.

You gave it all up.

I don't need a book to tell me when people are cruel.

Well think about. It's not just a book, right? It's it's. It's a revelation. It's a question of how did we get here? Who are we?

Also all the Christians I knew justified their cruelty through the Bible.

Yeah, people do that people people take the Bible out of context to abuse other people. I know gay I know gay theologians that do that too. They take the Bible out of context and they abuse the text, too.

It's not just Christians who abuse the Bible. It's also like gay theologians that abuse the Bible, right? So ever and I'm no theologian and anybody can go to the Bible and take it out of context and make it say whatever they.

Want right?

But like for example, like you said you're homosexual, right? So I'm probably guilty of far more sexual sin than you are. You're 22. I'm 45. I've lived a longer life and I probably have you beat sexually.

I promise you that okay. By the time I was 16, I lost count as to how many girls I slept with. I Lived a life of drug addiction for a long period of time did some foul foul horrible things. I'm not standing over you in judgment.

We both need forgiveness for our sexual sin, okay? But I want you to think think about something. Why would you and I be able to call anything sexually wrong? How would you call anything sexually wrong.

You've you've turned away from Jesus so how is anything sexually.

Wrong.

But why is that a standard. Simon says who. What about the guy that's a cosmic accident that doesn't agree with you? He rapes a woman or he rapes a man, right?

He abuses him. I know I'm lacking consent and it's harming but who says that matters.

Again, Satanists were accidents. Were accidents though. We're cosmic Satanist accidents. You need God. You need God as the creator and a creator creation distinction. You need a world that was created with purpose and meaning and human beings that are the image of God.

To make any sense of the claims you're making. Simon if you're an accident and I'm an accident, why does it matter if I abuse somebody?

So.

Do you see my answer. How easy that is to ruin so I don't look a Bible to tell me not to hurt.

You know, there are men who rape other men and they don't and they don't care About the permission because there are people and what's your complaint with them? And what's your complaint with them. If a man rapes another man Why are you complaining about it?

So I. They're cosmic accidents, it's not just that it's a book it's a revelation. It's God speaking saying I created you with a purpose and with meaning you're the creature you're in my image. You can't not love another human being not loving another human being is sinful.

I'll give you example like the basis. Love knows no harm to its neighbor. That's what God says. God is love love does no harm to its neighbor. I have a justification to condemn the man who rapes the boy.

I Have God's Word in Revelation that says he's not an accident and we are commanded not to do harm to our neighbor in your worldview. It's just a preference. Some people don't agree some guys rape little boys and They get away with it and they like it.

They enjoy it and your feelings about it don't really matter. It's meaningless. Remember that Simon? It's all meaningless. We're all accidents. And by the way when you who is the Satanist you follow you said his name.

Yeah, I'm sorry. I'm sorry. You said a version of Satanism because there's numerous versions of Satanism. So what was for the version?

You said you follow.

Satanic temple. Satanic temple atheist version of it. So do you read like Anton Spaniel ways? Okay, did you so you said like do I don't really? So like the the do as thou wilt that kind of stuff. Do you follow that.

Yeah, I basically follow.

But the you said you don't need a book to tell you that but the satanic Bible tells you that. But when you get stuff from the satanic temple, do you get it in writing at any point. Do they ever write articles do they ever write like what we believe.

Yeah, do you believe those things? So so you you believe you can get truth from a book or literature. Okay, so the Bible is God His revelation. See I'm showing you that you actually do believe that somebody can hand you something that is true revelation.

Either as a Satanist or whatever. So you you don't actually believe that the criticism that you made to me like I don't need a book to tell me. It's not just a book. It's it's God who walked among us.

It's God who talked to us and revealed himself to us.

I'm saying.

And and I'm not saying that to make you feel bad or to make you feel small. I'm just saying Simon I care about you. You got to see that. This is broken, man. You can't live like this Simon. And you know, you know that you're not happy.

It is hot in there. You were from Alabama. So you're kind of used to this. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Well, when'd you move here? Three years ago. From what part of Alabama? I was just in Alabama a couple months ago.

So like up north Alabama. It's out there. I was in where was I Birmingham? Recently, how far away you from Birmingham? Okay, so why'd you come here To you know, Orlando. Yeah. Okay. What are you studying?

I get it. I get it. Especially if you're a little small town. Yeah, I'm a city person myself. I could I couldn't live like that. Yeah, well listen. I Know this is an intense thing and we're on totally opposite sides here.

But I do want you to know that I I Genuinely care about you. And I just want you to think about what I said to you. You don't have to even think about in terms of the debate just think about what I said to you in terms of living every day.

Like you're good in God's image. Because you do you can't you care for others. I know you do you care for others? I'm sure you're a loving and sweet person. You care about other human beings suffering and all the rest, but You live every day like you are in God's image.

But then at every point you'll rebel against that with what you say about God and ultimately what you do. Like I want to affirm just think about this for a second. This is a big one. I Said it's you and I meant it.

I truly mean this some of the cruelest people I've ever met in my life are professing Christians. But the only reason I get to call them cruel is because I have a standard by which to measure their cruelty.

You've experienced that cruelty too, but you can't complain about it because you've turned away from Jesus. If you turn to him, there's not just forgiveness Simon. There's also a meaningful way to complain about evil in the world, okay?

Just think about it. I'm not trying to win the debate with you. Just think about it. That's okay, no, no you don't have to be you know, I'm not asking to be can I shake your hand. It's okay. It's nice to meet you.

See how you're acting like protecting other humans is important. You see the complication it's like little moments like this I want you to think about if you would Simon is that you're not living consistently with your worldview.

It doesn't work. Because you're not just rat scum or whatever. No, no, no, no, whatever your name is whatever whatever the name is on your Instagram or something, right? But that's but you're not that.

Oh, I see.

But look look you're trying to protect other people.

Why.

Why.

Simon why? So what. There's their scum their accidents.