WWUTT 1110 Q&A Year in Review Mega Episode?

Year-End Introduction and Ministry Support

This is our final Friday episode for the year, our mega episode, as we're counting down some of the biggest religious headlines from the year and even reading what the Bible has to say about some of them when we understand the text.

This is When We Understand the Text, a daily Bible teaching podcast to help encourage your time in the Word. If you would like to send a year-end gift to our ministry, visit our website at www .utt .com.

Here once again is Pastor Gabe.

Thank you, Becky. You're welcome. On the subject of that year-end giving, we did not ask this year for donations to help us get to G3. Right. And the reason for that was mostly because we paid for it a long time ago.

We did. And at the time when, whoa, I didn't know my mic stand was so squeaky. At the time when we paid to go to G3, our financial picture looked much better than it does now. Yes. We had some financial difficulties hit us toward the end of the year, some unforeseen things, which is usually the way that goes.

Of course, always, of course. Including a hailstorm that decimated our roof. Several hailstorms, yes. But like any good insurance company, we were promised a certain amount of money that we didn't get all of.

Yeah, you know. You know, you know how that goes. So that has been an added expense. There's been some other things, not to go into any of the details, but we started kind of rough, but had enough cushion at the start of the year that we were able to make up for.

Yeah, it was decent. Yeah, some of those things that hit us right at the very beginning of the year. But we went through that money rather quickly and then paid for the booth space at G3, which went up 50 this year.

Yeah. I mean, not to knock G3, I know that they've increased their numbers. Definitely. So the booth space is probably worth, you know, what we're paying for it.

Is probably what it's worth now. Yeah. But it's gotten a little out of our price range at the moment.

If we had waited to pay for our booth space at G3, we wouldn't have been able to make it. Right. It just, the money would have been too high. But if you are able to help us out, somebody has already stepped forward and paid for our hotel.

Yes. So thank you so much. Yes. Super kind of you to do that. And, but if there's anybody else that could help us cover the booth cost, we would greatly appreciate it. Now you can either go to our website, www .utt .com, click on the give tab and give that way.

You can either give online or there's information about sending a check to us. And all of that goes to our church. So that's tax deductible. You could still get a year end gift in, year end gift in. Get all those words in.

That's right. And it would still go toward your 2019 tax return. Yeah, something to, whatever that would be.

Deductible, not deductible, wrong word. Yeah, you're talking to a guy who's not an expert in finances.

Yes. And we're doing this late at night. So you can either give that way. There's another way that you can give through PayPal. Cause I have had some folks ask me, can you give a PayPal link? We don't have a PayPal connected with our church, but you could give directly to me.

It wouldn't be tax deductible, but it would go directly to us. And since I'm asking for a donation that would help with the what booth, you know that's where the money would be going cause we paid that out of our own pocket.

So, but go to paypal .me slash Pastor Gabe Hughes. That's what you have to donate to. So there's like this new thing now called, what is it? PayPal .me.

I have, oh yeah, the me, yeah. PayPal. .me, is that what it is? I think so. I'm not for sure on that,.

But I think it's kind of funny. PayPal .me. PayPal .me. If you're looking for a way to send money directly to us through PayPal, that's the link that you're supposed to use. So it's paypal .me slash Pastor Gabe Hughes.

That's the account that I had set up. I guess in hindsight, I might've put what on there. Yeah. Or something, but yeah. W-W-U-T-T. Don't send it to that one. That one's not set up. Stop it. PayPal.

You're gonna confuse everybody. PayPal .me slash Pastor Gabe Hughes. And if you want me to email you that link, then shoot us an email. Yes. And I'll send it to you that way. When we understand the text at gmail .com.

Being the Friday edition of the broadcast, that's usually where you could send your questions to. And then we would be responding to those questions on the Friday episode. Right. Today we're doing something a little bit different.

We're gonna go back through the biggest headlines of the year.

Biggest Religious Headlines of 2019

The biggest. Because this is the last Friday of the year.

Last Friday of 2019. So we're gonna go through the biggest religious headlines. We'll put it that way. Oh, okay. Not all of these are strictly Christian either, but we'll say the biggest religious headlines of the year.

You'll understand why they're not all Christian. Okay. Because some of these are going, whoa. I wouldn't have tied that into a Christian category, but you would certainly find this under religious news.

So we're going to, I've got, I think, 33 stories here. Oh, man. Let me see what I've got here. 32, 32 stories. And they're not in any particular order. Oh, okay. I could narrow it down to a top 20. Yeah.

I couldn't find enough for a top 40.

What about a top 25? To go with 25 Christmas news? Yeah, sure, why not?

Some of these I've even grouped together. So I was able to narrow it down to 32 headlines. All right. And this is not in any ascending or descending order. Okay. I didn't even get the chance to put this in like order of appearance.

Okay. Like we're starting with January and we're going all the way through to December. No, not at all. I didn't even do that. Okay. Oh, I mean, I even, there was another story I meant to get on here.

So 33 headlines that we're gonna be covering here. All right. We better get cracking. That's right. I'll get to that last one at the end here. Okay, so number one, here was the first headline of the year.

Paula White Cain becomes Donald Trump's spiritual advisor. Wait, that was this year? That was this year. Oh man. As a matter of fact, it was only like two months ago. It was in October. Was it? Yes. So every one of these.

It has been a long year. Every one of these that I go through now, you're gonna be going, was that this year? Yep, probably. Now, what are you writing down? I'm writing down number 33. Oh, okay. So we don't forget.

I was like, if you're gonna be writing down all of these, I might need to get you a notepad or something. No, no. She's just writing it on. I was just having it printed off. Oh, okay. She was writing it on like this scratch piece of paper over here that you couldn't fit 33 headlines on that.

And the pencil's out of lead. So it took a minute. Anyway. So basically Paula White Cain, you know, Paula White, she married one of the guys from Journey. So she became Paula White Cain. Okay. And her role as Donald Trump's spiritual advisor is primarily to solicit input from religious groups on White House initiatives and maintain Trump's strong ties to the religious leaders who support him.

But as you probably know, Paula White is a heretic of the highest order, a televangelist. She is a prosperity theologian associated with the new apostolic reformation. Okay. One of those clips that I come back to every once in a while, I think it even appeared in a what video at one point.

I did have her in one of our videos this year. It was the one on the little God's doctrine. The little, okay. Yeah, you are little God. Yes. Yes. Okay. I'll play that one at the end here. So this, what video will be associated with this first headline?

Okay. But anyway, one of the clips that you come and see from her is she's talking on TBN. I can't remember the guy she's talking with, but they're discussing how Jesus is not the only begotten son. Whoa.

Yeah. Okay. So you're a begotten son. Wow. And you're a begotten son. It's like Oprah, you're a begotten son. Yeah. Anyway, that's Paula White Cain. You're a winner and you're a winner. Everyone gets a card.

Everyone. So my next headline actually also has to do with Paula White Cain. Okay. But before getting to that, here's that what video that I did this year on the little God's doctrine.

Little G. You are a little God. I am a God and you're a God. Psalm 82 .1. God standeth in the congregation of the mighty, that's you. He judgeth among the gods. Who are the gods?

You are. God calling his creation, his man, little gods.

Psalm 82 says, God has taken his place in the divine council. In the midst of the gods, he holds judgment and says, how long will you judge unjustly and show partiality to the wicked? Evil kings who perverted justice had let authority go to their heads.

So the Lord sarcastically called them gods. But unlike God, they have neither knowledge nor understanding. They walk about in darkness. He goes on to say, you are gods, sons of the most high. Nevertheless, like men you shall die, reminding them that they are not gods.

In John 10, the people wanted to stone Jesus for blasphemy because he called himself God. Jesus said, is it not written in your law, I said you are gods? If he called them gods to whom the word of God came and scripture cannot be broken, do you say of him whom the father consecrated and sent into the world, you are blaspheming because I said I am the son of God?

Jesus was saying, you hate the son of God and you're accusing me of blasphemy? You're among the gods scripture says will die like men. When God calls men little gods, it's not a description, it's derision.

So humble yourself and fear God when we understand the text. You know, when Donald Trump was running for president of the United States, the other front runner from the GOP was Ted Cruz. Right, uh-huh.

Admittedly, if Ted Cruz had become president instead of Donald Trump, he probably would have nominated somebody like Paula White Cain to be his spiritual advisor too. Oh, really? Yes. Oh, okay. He was associated with exactly those same groups.

So don't think that Ted Cruz would have been any better than Donald Trump, at least when it came to his spiritual integrity, discernment.

I mean, how do you even pick? Like, how do you just pick one? I can't even pick one pastor aside from you, of course, but that's a given.

If you become president, babe, I'll be your spiritual advisor.

Oh my goodness, that's not what I meant. But I mean, like one favorite to listen to all the time, you know, and like gleaned from and stuff like that. I have a few favorites, sure, but one, like I said, aside from you, you don't count because you're my hubby and, you know, that's just a given.

Yeah, I know what you mean. Yeah. I mean, I would wanna ask somebody like John MacArthur. Yeah. And then when he turns me down, Yeah. Then I have to go down a list and, you know, see who else it's gonna be.

But, so I get that. Yeah. John MacArthur would consider that to be, you know, he would say, I don't have to give up what I'm doing here. Yep, yeah. That wasn't a John MacArthur impression, by the way.

I was just saying, that's.

Would somebody have taken that as an impression?

I don't know. It's like, usually I try to sound like the person.

Oh yeah, that's true, that's very true.

Okay, we gotta get back to these headlines here. Get to it. So right in line with that headline featuring Paula White Cain, we have our number two headline here, Southern Baptist Pastors Endorse Paula White Cain's Book.

What? Yep. Robert Jeffress, Jack Graham, and Greg Laurie, who's a Southern Baptist pastor now, in case you didn't know that. They all promoted Paula White Cain's. That's fine. Well, yeah, but Greg Laurie is with Calvary Chapel.

Oh, okay, I see. And they became Southern Baptist in 2017. Got it. They're like co-denominational now. You can do that? Apparently. I guess the Southern Baptist denomination like opened it up to Calvary Chapel in particular.

Hey, come over here. You can still be Calvary Chapel. That sounds like Baptist. Or you can, but you can also be Southern Baptist.

That's how I was greeted into the Baptist church. They're like, oh yeah, you were Catholic. You're close enough. You're close enough.

I was like, okay. As a Catholic, yikes. So anyway.

It was funny. Yeah, I told them I had been baptized in a Mennonite church.

And they told you the same thing, yep.

So Paula White Cain came out with this book called Something Greater, Finding Triumph Over Trials, which released, I don't remember when this was, but I guess it was October. Anyway, it was also endorsed by Franklin Graham.

He also endorsed it. Oh yeah, I remember that, okay. Yeah. And Costi Hinn had a great response calling those guys out. Well, I can read it for you. I've got it pulled up. I was just trying to keep this short.

Oh, I'm sorry. But now that I've mentioned it, I gotta read it. Well, of course. So Costi Hinn, specifically he was talking to Jack Graham. He said, Pastor Jack, I respect your decades of service, but enough is enough.

I don't know you personally, and I have no way of getting into your inner circle to say this, so here it is. Paula White Cain may share White House privilege with you, but I've shared a family Christmas with her before a particular divorce was final.

Then watch them spin the PR, lie to millions, twist biblical parameters, and slowly creep back into the mainstream. This is a fine, or I'm sorry, this is fine for false teachers, 2 Peter 2 .22, but you know better than this.

My generation doesn't care about politicking, book contracts, or unwritten SBC rules. When you actively promote liars and charlatans, you will watch Gen Z exit your roles and look to unwavering leaders who will pick up the torch you dropped.

This is no woman at the well moment or petty Pharisaism. This is about unrepentant lies, standing for truth, and a man of God's mandate to be faithful to Christ no matter the cost. Forget the politics and finish strong like the warrior you're called to be.

That was on October 14th. Drop the mic. That's right. Boom. Kosti Hinn with the own. I don't know what Jack Graham's response was to that, but I hope he read it, and I hope that he withdrew his nomination, his endorsement.

Yes. Because of backlash like that, but I never saw anybody come out and apologize.

No, at least not mainstream. Yeah. Publicly.

Not publicly that way. Yeah. So this next one here, the number three headline, I actually grouped several things under this one story. Okay. So number three, Christians completely fold under the pressure of LGBTQ mafia.

You? You had several. Yeah, that was several.

Now, Chick-fil-A of course was the biggest one, and this happened. This was just this month. And most recent. Yeah, and the most recent one. So the home of the original chicken sandwich no longer donating to Christian organizations like the Salvation Army and Fellowship of Christian Athletes and the Paul Anderson Youth.

These were groups that the LGBT community had targeted as being hate groups. Right. And at first, I mean, Chick-fil-A had a huge support base from the Christians that not only ate their wonderful chicken sandwiches, but just loved the fact that Chick-fil-A was a Christian owned and operated business.

Yeah. That wasn't having to answer to shareholders, and they. And valued families. Right, and donated to exactly those kinds of causes. Yeah. But even being one of the most successful restaurant chains in the country, even though they were facing this backlash from LGBTQ, they were still as successful as they were, yet they folded under the pressure.

Yeah. And completely threw Christians under the bus. And in fact, this article came out, this was just a couple of weeks ago from Discern, which is Adam Ford's brand new news website, which he launched this year.

Okay, yeah. Hey, I guess I could have. Yeah, there's a number. Could have made that a Christian headline. Add to the numbers. So anyway, yeah, that's right. Add to the numbers, this is 35, number 35 now.

Oh. So he said, Chick-fil-A has donated $230 ,000 to homelessness charity Covenant House since 2017. LGBT website Pink News reports, noting that $100 ,000 of it went to a New York affiliate that provides community space to host Drag Queen Story Hour, the controversial program that stages events where men dressed in drag read stories to young children at public libraries.

No, thank you. This cause is being funded now by Chick-fil-A. No, thanks. Previously very passionate about supporting families and traditional marriage. And I mean, it's not like they've, it's almost as if this isn't a gradual moving into this territory, it's like all at once.

Boom. I heard, I mean, like as I'm reading and watching it unfold, some people were saying that this has been going on behind the scenes a lot. It has. And then they just all of a sudden showed up in public with here's our lack of support for those that we previously supported.

Yes. It has been, it's basically been since Truett Cathy died. Right, it really has. But we didn't know about it until they got rid of the causes that they had been donating to that were targeted by LGBTQ groups.

And then once Chick-fil-A came out and said, we're not gonna be donating to them anymore. Then people started looking with a magnifying glass at their handlings and we're finding out, ah, so you've been doing this for a few years.

That's sad. I still eat Chick-fil-A. We do. I'm not a boycotter. Promoting of them. Yep. And it doesn't taste as good anymore. It doesn't.

And their sandwiches have gotten smaller.

Over the years they have. This has not been a recent thing, but I've just noticed, cause I've been eating Chick-fil-A for a long time. Yes, you have. I grew up in the South where Chick-fil-A was all over the place.

Then we moved to Kansas. There wasn't Chick-fil-A anywhere. Nope. And the story behind that actually is there was a guy in Wichita that had signed the contract on the franchise and would not let anyone else put a restaurant.

So he wasn't building Chick-fil-A restaurants and he wasn't letting anyone else do it. Right. So that's why Chick-fil-A wasn't in Kansas for the longest time. A long time. But now there's quite a few of them.

We've got one just 20 minutes from us now. Yes, we do. Anyway, what was I saying? Oh yeah. So I've been eating Chick-fil-A for a long time and I've just gradually noticed those sandwiches have gotten a little bit smaller.

Yeah.

They're not quite the size of the bun anymore either.

No, they do. I had a pretty good juicy sandwich the other day. Did you? The chicken patty was definitely coming out from the edges of the bun. I think it just depends on what the size of chicken breast they give you.

Maybe. The person behind the counter has to like you. Yeah, very true. Then they give you the more succulent chicken. But still under this headline, Christians Folding Under the Pressure of LGBTQ Mafia, you had Drew Brees, the quarterback of the New Orleans Saints.

He was promoting bring your Bible to school day from Focus on the Family. He was attacked by left-leaning media for participating in bring your Bible to school day because Focus on the Family is a hate group, since they promote traditional family.

Oh man. At first Drew Brees defended his relationship with Focus on the Family, but then he apologized for being part of it. Of course. Still promoted bring your Bible to school day, but just didn't associate himself with Focus on the Family anymore.

Wow. So here was, it wasn't exactly a press conference, but some media folks asking Brees some questions and him giving an explanation. It's like, I didn't know they were a hate group.

Were you aware of the group that was starting this promotion? I was not aware of any of the things they said about them lobbying for anti-gay, any type of messaging or inequality or any type of hate type related stuff.

I was not aware of that at all. And again, the video itself was just focused on national bring your Bible to school day. It was not promoting any group, certainly not promoting any group that is associated with that type of behavior.

Because I know that there, unfortunately, there are Christian organizations out there that are involved in that kind of thing. And to me, that is totally against what being a Christian is all about. Being a Christian is love, it's forgiveness, it's respecting all, it's accepting all.

It's everything that I said in the video that hopefully you guys saw and everybody else will. So what's a shame is that people will make headlines just to get hits, just to get views. And all of a sudden, these rumors spread that are completely untrue.

So shame on them. And it kills your message, didn't it, for the kids?

Well, actually, we're sitting here talking about national bring your Bible to school day. So that's a good thing. It's October 3rd for anybody that wants to know.

Okay, so the irony in this is that I'm not associated with Focus on the Family because they're a hate group. I promote love and tolerance and forgiveness and accepting each other. Apparently, Focus on the Family does not promote any of those things, according to Drew Brees.

So I'm not associated with them, but I'm still all about bring your Bible to school day. You know, that book that says that homosexuals will not inherit the kingdom of God.

Yep, right there, black and white.

First Corinthians six, starting in verse nine. Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality, nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.

And such were some of you, but you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the spirit of our God. So these LGBTQ groups were not going after take your Bible to school day.

Right. It was just that Drew Brees was associated with Focus on the Family. That's a hate group in the eyes of the LGBTQ community. So Drew Brees was another one buckling under the pressure. And then last but certainly not least, J .D. Greer.

Yeah, that's sad. Man, he pandered to this side all kinds of ways all year long. Yes. You had his infamous sermon back in January where he said the Bible whispers about sexual sins. I did a what video on that.

You have his preferred pronouns thing, which this was just a few weeks ago where he said if somebody comes into his church a man comes in saying he wants to be called she and her, then J .D. Greer is gonna do that.

Yep. Which Becky and I responded to that going, okay, so you're gonna let him go use the women's bathroom?

Yeah, there's all sorts of problems with that.

Because it never stops with pronouns. And besides that, when somebody comes up to you and says, I prefer that you use these pronouns when addressing me, if you're talking to that person, you're not using pronouns, you're not using third person pronouns like she and her.

Kind of what I'm thinking too, but I mean, whatever.

So these guys like Chick-fil-A, Drew Brees, J .D. Greer, they gave up ground, they didn't even have to give up. There was no reason for them to pander to the side that they pandered to. But nevertheless, that's what they did.

J .D. Greer also apologized to the LGBTQ community for injustices committed by the church. That was something else he did this year. And did this speaking at an ERLC event. So here is the clip from J .D. Greer saying exactly that.

Jesus representing churches will be known as the friends of the LGBTQ community. I think the question to us as church leaders, have you drawn the gay and lesbian community close? Are you an advocate against abuse, injustice and discrimination on their behalf?

Isn't that what you would do for a friend? I do want to apologize to the gay and lesbian community on behalf of my community and me for not standing up against abuse and discrimination directed towards you.

That was wrong.

And we need your forgiveness. My question is, which churches have been abusing LGBTQ persons? That's what I was stuck on. I couldn't get past that. What is he talking about? I have no idea. It's very, very common for people with those platforms in the Southern Baptist Convention to make these ad hominem straw man attacks at thing it's virtue signaling.

Yeah. It's look at how righteous I can be attacking this thing that doesn't exist. Yeah.

Or if it does, it's like very, very limited. Minimal. Yeah. So I don't, I don't know. I haven't heard anything about abuse unless they're considering the whole, you know, they don't call me by my right pronoun.

Well, yeah. See, and that's the thing.

And that's not abuse. An LGBTQ person is gonna say that's abuse. Love your neighbor? Absolutely. You should love your neighbor. You should love your neighbor to tell them the gospel. Right. And don't let them continue in the charade that they're doing, convincing themselves that they're not in sin and not going to go to hell because of the sexual immorality that they continue to practice.

Yeah. Don't let a person think that they're okay before God practicing sexual immorality of any kind. Not just if it fits in the acronym of LGBTQ. Right. But if they're an adulterer, if they're into porn, I mean, whatever it is, confront those persons and let them know what they're doing is sin and they must repent.

But yeah, J .D. Greer, he's gonna continue to pander to LGBTQ persons, the LGBTQ community. It's not a community. It's not. That's the term we keep using because it's the thing that just keeps floating around in the culture, but it's not a thing.

It's not even a thing at all. And yet he continues to play by that name and that acronym. Right. And their pronouns. Thinking that he's doing someone a favor, but this is just the next chapter of how far the Southern Baptist Convention has fallen into pragmatism.

That whole thing of, hey, if we do this, they will come. If we build it, they will come. If we give it away, they will come. Yes. If we appease their fleshly carnal desires, they will come. Right. And then we'll drop the gospel on them.

But then you drop the gospel on them and they all walked away. Right. So then the pastor started going, well, we can't do that because we lose people. Gotta change what we say. Yep. So this is just the next chapter of that budding pragmatism.

It's just now pandering to the LGBTQ side of things, those that claim to be LGBTQ. All right, so next headline. We're making great progress here.

We're up to number four. I don't think we're gonna get through all of them.

The number four headline, Notre Dame Cathedral Fire. Oh yeah, that was sad. What a beautiful building. It was, it was gorgeous. And the article that I just read a couple of days ago, this was right after Christmas Eve, is that there's about a 50 chance that Notre Dame Cathedral cannot be saved.

They did not hold Christmas Eve services at Notre Dame and they may never again. So it could be the building's a total loss. We don't know yet. Number five, living out the ministry, living out. Right.

Exposed for the godless ministry that it is. Wow. This was back in March and it was a series of articles that was written by Dr. Tom Buck. I think at the time he wasn't Dr. Tom Buck. No, he wasn't. He was just regular old Tom Buck.

Pastor Tom Buck. Pastor Tom Buck. But now since graduating from Southern Baptist Theological Seminary, he is Dr. Tom Buck. And he wrote a series of articles that was published at Alpha and Omega Ministries, exposing living out.

Now I had a list of the problems that he laid out regarding this particular ministry, but for the sake of time, I'm gonna skip to some questions that people have asked following the series of articles that he published, which was about four articles.

So one of those questions is, haven't all the objectionable resources that were exposed in your articles, haven't they been removed from living out during the audit? And Dr. Buck's answer is no. Only two resources were removed and all the resources quoted from the section above are presently live on their website.

Although I trust that an audit is being carried out, this reckless and unbiblical teaching remains unedited for people to follow. So still the same problems with living out that there was before Dr. Buck's articles.

Next question, didn't evangelical leaders like Russell Moore withdraw their support of living out? Answer, no. The endorsement of pastor and TGC founder Timothy Keller remains live on the website. The ERLC released a statement that it indicates Moore did not actually request his endorsement to be removed, but living out proactively removed it.

Moore has yet to publicly renounce the teaching of living out. The ERLC offers a statement for those who make inquiry that Moore has always taken a strong stand against homosexuality and his hope is that clarity will prevail in answer to any questions about living out.

All right, headline number six, still along the lines of the Southern Baptist Convention, Resolution 9. Oh yeah. Passed at the Southern Baptist Convention. That was back in June in Birmingham, Alabama.

The section of Resolution 9 in particular that was the most problematic was critical race theory and intersectionality alone are insufficient to diagnose and redress the root causes of the social ills that they identify, which result from sin.

Yet these analytical tools can aid in evaluating a variety of human experiences. Dr. Josh Bice, who's the guy behind the G3 Conference, he said, you cannot attach identity politics to the sufficient scriptures and still claim to be champions of sufficiency.

God's word must stand alone. Like a confident lion walking in the afternoon sun on the African plains, it doesn't need assistance to diagnose and address the social ills of a depraved society. What the SBC did in passing this resolution is make a clear statement to the watching world that we believe the Bible is not quite capable of addressing the lived experiences of broken people and may need the assistance of CRT and intersectionality.

Wow. Unquote. I think that Dr. Bice was right on with that. You know, earlier this year, I talked to a friend of mine who was also, this year he also graduated. He's also a graduate from Southern Baptist Theological Seminary.

Trying to find the best way to say that. Unlike Dr. Buck, he didn't graduate with a doctorate, but he is a graduate of SBTS. He got, he received his first pastorate. So he's pastoring his first church and it is an unaffiliated Baptist church, not connected with any particular denominational group.

So when I talked to him on the phone just to say, hey, congratulations, and encourage him a little bit, I said, what are the chances that you would bring your Baptist church over to the Southern Baptist Convention?

And he hesitated, as though he didn't want to answer my question.

Yeah. And he said, not good. Afraid that you're gonna quote him or something.

That I might talk about him on a podcast, maybe so. He said that it's very unlikely that he's gonna do that. And I asked him why, and he said, because of the things that he saw when he was there at Southern Baptist Theological Seminary.

He said, I feel like the campus is moving toward intersectionality and critical race theory and the woke movement having an effect and egalitarianism is once again, very prominent on the campus, which was the case when Dr. Albert Moeller got there.

And he got that all out, but seems to be creeping back in, even under his leadership. Wow. Which he's spoken out against it. That's gonna come up here in a moment. Yep, keep going. Okay, so headline number eight.

Yes. The Shepherds Conference Q &A panel back in March. You skipped seven. Oh, I did skip seven. Okay, number seven, the Shepherds Conference Q &A panel. There we go. Which was back in March. If you'll remember this, it was Phil Johnson who was doing the Q &A.

Yes. Albert Moeller, Mark Dever and Ligon Duncan. Yes, that was a long time ago. Okay, yeah. Yeah, start of the year. Yeah. But you also think the headlines that were in October were a long time ago. Yep, I do.

It was all ages away. But yeah, this was a pretty heated conversation. Yeah. Not on Phil Johnson's part, but Albert Moeller, Mark Dever, Ligon Duncan, definitely did not like being questioned on it. And it basically started with the question, why didn't you guys sign the statement on social justice in the gospel that was written and passed back in the middle part of 2018?