August 23, 2022 Show with Dr. Richard D. Phillips on “The Sufficiency of Scripture & the Story of Scripture” PLUS Michael A. Gaydosh on “Discovering Hidden Treasures of Christian Literature”

The Sufficiency of Scripture and the Story of Scripture

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Afternoon, Cumberland County, Pennsylvania. Lake City, Florida. And the rest of humanity who are living on the planet earth. Listening via live streaming at iron sharpens iron radio dot-com. This is Chris Arnzen your host of iron sharpens iron radio wishing you all a happy Tuesday on this 23rd day of August 2022 and we have two guests joining us today back-to-back.

Two dear friends and two people. I love to interview. During the first hour. We are going to have the privilege of having a dr. Richard D Phillips on the show again. He is the author of numerous books highly sought-after conference speaker chairman of the Philadelphia Conference on Reform Theology co-editor of the reformed expository commentary series published by PNR publishing an adjunct professor and trustee at Westminster Theological Seminary and board of directors member at the Alliance of Confessing evangelicals.

He's also the senior pastor at the historic Second Presbyterian Church of Greenville, South Carolina and during the first hour we will be discussing with Rick the sufficiency of scripture and the story of Scripture.

And during the second hour Make sure you stay tuned for my dear friend and also my very first Pastor after becoming by the grace of God a new creation in Christ. The man who actually baptized me Michael a gay dash founder of solid ground Christian books, and he's going to be addressing Discovering hidden treasures of Christian literature, but first and foremost we ask of you to welcome to the iron sharpens iron radio.

Back for another interview. Dr. Richard D Phillips. It's great to have you. It's great to be here Chris and why don't you let our listeners know something about Second Presbyterian Church of Greenville, South Carolina?

Congregation.

Great. And The the church is most notorious for having as its member one of its members Joe Bianchi. And that's a dear friend of mine for many years. And extend my greetings to Joe and Monica. For me.

Yes, and for and their daughter Christina. Oh, yeah, I was is Christina actually there at the church, too. Oh Wow, that's great. I haven't seen Christina. I think since she was perhaps in her early teens and she was always a very sweet girl.

And extend to her my greetings as well. And If anybody wants more information about the Second Presbyterian Church in Greenville, South Carolina Go to SPC which stands for Second Presbyterian Church Greenville org SPC Greenville org and I figure I'll also for the sake of my friend Joe Bianchi and also for the sake of listeners.

Desiring to find out about good Christian literature. I will give the website for Calvary press which Joe Bianchi owns and operates Calvary press calm. Calvary press calm. And I hope to see you sometime soon.

Joe.

Wherever the Lord may providentially guide our paths and. You are involved in a an upcoming Bible conference where I plan to be Manning and exhibitors booth again. I've done this a number of times There in Quaker Town, Pennsylvania.

It's called the Quaker Town Conference on Reform Theology and this fall it's going to be on the theme the sufficient word and. The other speakers at this conference are men who I just recently interviewed on iron sharpens iron radio Daniel Doriani and Harry reader and this is going to be taking place November 11th through the 12th.

Why don't you tell us more about the sufficient word conference?

Well, the You really should come at the names of Jim. Reform theology, of course, you know that the father's referred a philosopher Torah and. Most evident we need to know also the saving ministry of the gospel and so that's going to be our emphasis and let's talk about it today.

Great, and if anybody wants more information about the Quaker Town Conference on Reform Theology This year on the theme the sufficient word go to Alliance net org. Alliance net org click on events and scroll down to where you see quicker town conference on Reform Theology 2022 the sufficient word November 11th through the 12th.

And I'm looking forward to seeing my old friend pastor Ron Cole of Grace Bible Fellowship Church. They're in Quaker Town. Who's hosting the conference? And we've got to also Clarify for those of you who don't listen very keenly This is not a conference on the Quakers or Quaker Theology.

It's the Quaker Town Conference that's the name of the town. I've had some wise guys on social media Commenting on that so I have to make sure that they are our listeners are clear that this is a reformed conference and Great and well the the two Elements of the main theme of the sufficiency of scripture or the sufficient word That you are addressing are the sufficiency of scripture and the story of scripture.

Now you already addressed a little bit of the controversy over the sufficiency of scripture. Once something that only Roman Catholics formally denied and Today you have a host of evangelicals.

Either.

Unconsciously contradicting or denying it or you even have some that boldly deny it and they would be typically more in the realm of Charismatic and Pentecostal churches. And of course there are some within that wide spectrum of belief within those categories.

There are some who would read it readily and boldly and vociferously claim they believe in the sufficiency of scripture and it may not be logically and consistently held to According to their other practices, but there are some who say we need a fresh new word.

The Bible is wonderful for a lot of things, but we still need a word for today from God to help govern the lives and churches of those in the 21st century and It's interesting that people would even come to that conclusion when they probably have not Even begun to plumb to the depths of what God has already provided in his canon.

But if you could tell us about your thoughts on why this is an important issue today as Just as important as it ever was the sufficiency of scripture.

Yeah, thank you Chris. Now Hearing and hearing. Particularly the churches is almost but my family and I went to a church we went first mention of the Bible reach on me and he invited and then and I'm never the first time you actually mentioned the perfect minutes into the service and That was the work God's given us to do and that's primarily the Great Commission in gathering of converts to Christ and then the discipleship of principle means for that and we rely on Their means it's not exposed out of message.

It's got four points and he mentions proclamation of the Bible and that is a cranky evangelical turtle anemic and weak when we are.

Now do you think a lot of the problem with that is? that People are relying upon and they may never in a million years phrase it this way but they are relying upon an Arminian understanding of How God saves sinners.

If you believe a Christian can convince someone through articulate oratory and cleverness and appealing to their desires and emotions to through their own Freewill of their nature of their unregenerate nature To believe in Christ because you make things so appealing to them That they may involve Blessings or privileges that they are not experiencing as a non.

Churchgoer.

They think that they can convince these folks through these means to Come to Christ whereas we know we have to just boldly preach and proclaim and teach The truths of what God has breathed out that is in his scripture.

And he is the one that will give the increase. He is the one that will remove hearts and stone of stone and replace them with hearts of flesh. And when I bring this criticism of an Arminian understanding, I'm not just criticizing Arminian churches because there are Many reformed churches that I have become aware of over the years who unconsciously In every practical sense are really adopting Arminian methodology.

Am I off base here?

Yeah. Is the Arminian belief primarily an act on the on the person's part. You believe it's an act of your will. It's your choice and and but that's only wanting to be. Therefore we get this big emotional experience.

But I think it's a lot of it. I don't even mean that that's a trying to reach people and they increasingly the other thing going I get these it's amazing to me. They have all these business the super naturalism.

That's always involved of the Bible says dead in our trust made up a lot by his appointed means people who will identify it for again. Because you cannot be born again apart from the Word of God. In fact, it's only by the Word of God that you can be born again, and and we're removing the Word of God.

Evangelism and so I think yes, it's Arminian theology. And then there's just this appeal to world.

Yes a fear I have found even amongst professedly Bible-believing evangelicals. A fear of offending the audience of the congregation the visitors a fear of losing people and therefore subsequently losing Tithes and offerings.

You have I have met sadly over my Decades of Participation in Christian radio in the media. I have come across Far too many pastors who will admit even in an unashamed way.

That.

I you know, I'm not gonna tell my congregation that because they'll leave This or that or the other thing? And I'm my jaw is hanging open. Um, well, when did Jesus Approach things that way. In fact Jesus From the scriptures had a habit of thinning out the herd when it got too big By saying something that was so offensive to their sensibilities that it Sifted out those who were false believers who were.

Go ahead.

Yes, you cannot come to me unless it has been given of the Father. We still believe in the Bible work of ministry is excluded and For that and therefore we are attracting people for things other than Christ and the evangelical movement.

Amen.

In fact, I had an interaction years ago with a very dear Roman Catholic friend and I hope he's listening. Bob Posh used to be a lawyer for Doubleday Books and Bob I used to have parties over his home.

Perhaps about three times a year and those parties were specifically designed to invite Roman Catholics and evangelicals to his home so that they could eat drink and argue and Bob and I were. Bob and I were the always the two last ones in the living room going back and forth and.

I.

Remember Bob saying that that passage that you were just referring to in John 6. He said yes, see you're just like those people that left Jesus who left because they rejected the mass. They rejected Transubstantiation.

Yeah, and I said no read the passage again. When did they walk away? It was because Jesus said no one can come to me unless it is given to them by the Father and that is reformed theology. Amen. Well tell us in fact, I'm gonna go to the first break right now.

It's Something that we have to do to pay the bills but when we come back, I want you to get involved more in the story of Scripture and people may be scratching their head wondering exactly what you mean by that and If anybody listening has a question for my guests today Rick Phillips.

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The story of scripture That prompted Moses. What did God use to prompt Moses? Well, obviously the Decalogue.

Yes, amen.

Amen, you you just reminded me of years ago when a friend of mine who is Pentecostal Invited me to hear some Prophet so-called that was speaking at a church that he was familiar with and I wanted to Humor him because he had been kind enough to attend Conferences and worship services that I recommended.

So I went to this event and it was a Scottish gentleman who was the alleged prophet and of course, he was just telling everybody good news and appeasing their their desires and never offending anybody by just prophesying wonderful things about them and.

So I wrote to this man from his website afterwards. And I said, I know that Scotland has been a rich land filled with the doctrines of reform theology and Calvinism for centuries and You are a native of that land and I was wondering what is your opinion on things like? unconditional election and Definite atonement and he said well I haven't ever really given much thought about those things nor have I formed an opinion of them.

So I said so, you know the future and not the past.

It's not a profit. Exciting and helpful to realize it tells us by the way. It also means that we can't obey the implications and is not just a sense though. It's the Bible doing history, right? You end up with a different storm did not fall.

If there's no historical Adam From whom every human being is the literal we are you're looking at head under the Covenant of works. Then the most non-negotiable things are those things that deal with that.

What is the solution in history?

Amen, and by the way, let me just quickly interject that so-called prophet. I don't believe was just a well-meaning Person, I think he was a charlatan but obviously, I know that there are many quote-quote lay people who are well-intentioned and misguided and fall into the trappings of using the verbiage of of the popular Charismatic and Pentecostal buzz phrases and so on.

You know Isaiah Babylon and the coming of the day. Amen. Oh, yeah I don't deal with that problem a lot. That too much when you read your Bible when you pick up the book that is not our Story praise them.

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How do you approach? Respectfully your own pastor and elders When you fear that the sermons being proclaimed from the pulpit are too much Storytelling about their own lives and anecdotes and there is not enough exegesis occurring.

Wait, I don't want to come off like I am holier than that than thou or More knowledgeable than them, but it is something that is quite disturbing and I need some counsel and guidance.

And. Right, and if you're leaving you should tell them why. And we have time for one more question from.

Bobby in Hartsdale, New York. He says don't you think. One of the key areas that reveals the truth of the tragedy of the church of the Evangelical world today Not relying upon the sufficiency of Scripture is found in the counseling rooms and the counseling ministries and counseling books that dominate Christian bookstores and online book distributors.

You know part of the whole appeal of it is even whether it's God it is true. I'm not against the theology and we are is that amen. And the best the best healing and power is.

Yeah, and the best of biblical counselors say that very thing.

Well, if you could in a minute summarize what you most want etched on the hearts and minds of our listeners before.

We conclude our first hour of this program.

Well, thank you. And it's been wonderful. I always love to be asked to go to the quick conference. So I do hope I'll see you there. In terms of our topic I want to say that the Christian people ought to be a people of truth.

We're to be a people of biblical truth. We're to be a people who really rely not only on the truthfulness of the Bible But the power of the Bible and the sufficiency of the Bible. Let me close with in 2nd Timothy 3.

Paul's dealing with Timothy has all kinds of they just gives this whole litany of it's not for him to find a new technique. Not for him to get worldly counsel. No, he tells Timothy to go back to continue on what you have learned in it firmly believed knowing from whom you learned it and how from childhood you've been acquainted out by God and his Training and righteousness so the man of God may be complete.

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November.

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