Mormon Makes Mormon Question Faith

Oh, what's up, man, dude? Protests a drag queen story hour not Mormons bro protest. What do you mean? I don't know. Am I holding science here? What are we doing here old signs? What's your issue with it?

Scream at him. Just yell at it I'm serious. So me and my buddies we when we protested a drag queen story hour good for you. We didn't we didn't say anything of substance to him. We just made it loud. I mean unpleasant with anything of what?

You just made it loud. It made it unpleasant. Oh, I gotta cancel the next year. Oh cool. That's what you guys should do. I see these guys a Jerusalem cross on his back. Okay, be a crusader. Oh, man, what's your name?

Jack Andrew? Sorry, you are you LDS? Yeah, I am. Yeah. Okay. I'm here's the thing. I'm not particularly religious like what does that mean? I'm just it's not my primary motive right now in any in any given situation.

You don't go to sacrament meeting on so I do I do I go to sacrament. I have a testimony of Christ and whatnot. The particular The particular like truth claims that Joseph Smith and whatnot are just you're not gonna be able to like convince me on anything because I don't really have any kind of like.

You're you're I'm not I'm not that much of a Mormon to be to be enough of one. What do you believe that man? I'm a I'm a nationalist. I'm a Christian. Those are the two things I believe in. I'm more of a crit.

I'm more of a Christian than I am. I'm a Christian first and Mormon second. I mean I wear I'm in doubt. I wear garments. I go to the temple, but that's more important to me than this. And right now I understand you guys don't see Mormons as Christian.

Yeah right now what you're effectively doing is you're attacking an institution that is on the same side as you in terms of like the Metapolitical narrative of fighting against fighting against the the enemies that are trying to derast the art of society and destroy it.

Gotcha, so what I don't really so I don't care. So this is this whole question on that real quick actually. Yes, so What do you believe about abortion then abortion is wrong. It's a crime. So is it horrible?

Are there any exceptions? No, not really I mean, I mean I can understand why somebody might want to abort a child if they were like raped or whatnot. But that's like do you believe that's okay. No, I don't think that's everything.

It's okay. The LDS Church says it's okay. Okay, that's that's a political disagreement. I have here we go. But there we go. So what I would say wait, you're gonna do the leftist thing of saying well, here's this 1 thing.

No, no, actually, I think that's a big deal because 1 of like incest and rape. Like that's what that's what abortion is. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So you're gonna argue on the fact that like listen my political my political beliefs.

I do not choose thing I'm not one of these Mormons. Well, you said we sided with them conservative conservatively. And I'm just letting you know that actually I'm an abolitionist in terms of abortion.

This is like this one minute part of like that. I think I think it's a big deal. No, no, no. No, I'm talking about terms of dead babies here that's what I'm talking about number of dead babies the difference between the number of dead babies that the Church wants and what like the people who are pro-abortion want.

It's a lot more significant than your difference between what the near difference between how many you want and how in the church. Well, you're like they still want some good. You're like you're no way you're like this.

The enemy's like that. No, no. See, this is this is where I have the issue because according to the LDS organization when they speak on their website They're speaking on behalf of God. Yeah, so God to them is okay with killing babies in the womb in terms of rape.

Life of the mother in incest. No, no, no. No, it's on their church website. You can look it up. They've made statements about it. Now. Here's the thing. The church is not infallible. It is not claim infallibility.

But but here's that here's what I'm talking about though in terms of being a Christian when I stand on the Word of God. What I would say is my God is not for those things. So if we have a difference of God, that's a big deal to me.

Because I don't have a difference of God with you. Okay, what do you believe about Jesus? For example, Jack? I believe he was just I believe he was you know God God incarnate and same way that he's like he's a son of God, but I also be I'm a son of God.

Okay, you were a son of God, right? So when you say son of God you mean like that he let's say heavenly father and heavenly mother had some form of spiritual sex in the pre-existence and Jesus came into being through that and he's the spirit I believe in the actual Mormon doctrine that he that that spirits were weaved out of we read out of pre-existing intelligence.

Okay. Yeah for sure. But how does how does that how does that happen though? Why does God have a body of flesh and bone? Because that's because he perfected man in the same way in the same way that you or I could become so not to beget Spirit-children, so you reject that say it again.

You reject that not to be get spirit children. You mean the infinite you mean the infinite nature of God? Well in terms of God the Father, right? He has a son named Jesus Christ. He said your son of God.

What does that mean? Means that I'm Jesus brother, how did that how but how did you come to be in the pre-existence? I was weaved out of intelligence. Okay. Okay, so you weren't born from Heavenly Mother.

You don't believe that. No, and the church doesn't believe that either. Okay, so he just so so do you believe in Heavenly Mother? Yeah, but I don't worship her. Oh, yeah, I wouldn't think that you would know.

Oh, wow. I'm not that kind of. That's interesting I've never heard of a I never heard of an LDS individual say that there wasn't a like a celestial sex to beget spirit children. I'm a retard. So there's a moron who doesn't understand his own church's doctrine gotcha.

So they just weave together Jesus there is a source of pre-existing intelligence that by their but by their holy connection Heavenly Father and Heavenly Mother weaved intelligent we've Existing intelligences out of that to give them existence in the same way of like a self-conscious existence as opposed to a non-conscious existence right, and that's the intelligences we have doubt of.

You don't kind of what we don't know the answer is that we don't actually know okay. So regardless what I would say about Jesus though in John chapter 1 is that he has always been God. Right never ceased to be God.

It says in John chapter 1 that all things came into being through him and then in Colossians 1 it says he created all things In heaven and on earth visible and invisible meaning that he created Lucifer.

So the Jesus that I believe in Jack is actually different than the Jesus you believe you believe that Jesus is God. Yeah, is it eternally existed as God is the is the human incarnation of the literal God in Abraham?

We actually believe the same. In a very weird way. Well, I believe that the Father is Yahweh. I believe that the Spirit is Yahweh and I believe the Son is Yahweh just as I believe that the Son is Elohim the Father is Elohim and the Spirit is Elohim.

We create we we commit we commit the Nicaean heresy. Tridism tridism tridism tridism. Okay, and the spirit and the Nicaean heresy of Arianism right? Yeah, the three those are the two that we to become in three separate entities.

Yes I'm sure D. Yep, and the father is superior to the son. Yes. In in my in my view from the my teachings both in Protestant Christianity. I was raised Presbyterian. Oh nice and in and in and in the LDS faith I find that the LDS Church is more is more of a reasonable belief system.

Because it is a reproductive and and selfless God as opposed to a selfish God and in the bit in in basic Christianity what you essentially have is a God that wants a certain number of the best people to live with them in like really nice stasis, right.

Well, I'd say the God of the Bible deserves in his and all the rest are damn to hell I was hi. You know him? No. Oh, okay. Look like you knew him. Okay, so in terms of what I believe about God at least from the Bible is that he's deserving of all worship and glory.

He's the eternal God through which gave us life, right? Gave everything life. He spoke everything into existence from nothing in Hebrews. It says by faith. We believe that he created the world from nothing.

So I believe that. So the God of the Bible deserves worship. It's not that he's selfish. It's that he alone deserves worship and glory. Oh, no, he deserves worship and glory because of our creation. But do you understand how the but do you understand what the view comes from where I say?

Well Here's this God. He wants us to Exist and like in like happiness with him. Except for the people who commit who commit a certain number of bad things those people burn in fire forever. Well. Oh.

No, I agree. No, like, you know, like it wouldn't be a purified place that would be safe. No, you know, especially as like a woman like we're always scared of like getting raped and like murdering like what we are.

You know, so it's like oh no, I'm laughing because it's true.

Laughing at you. Yeah, but it's that same concept of like wouldn't be so nice. Like to truly have peace. You need safety. Yeah, you know. And you need to be able to trust those around you. Yeah, you know, so you don't want to be with people who that's what the proven themselves to be untrustworthy.

That's what the tears of glory come in. Yeah. Are you Mormon? Yeah, I'm Mormon. Okay. Yeah, I converted. Yes, oh gotcha. Got you. Well, I would say that so like my point is my point is is that My God wants me to become better than I already am in like a really real physical sense.

Whereas whereas when I was taught is that? My God wants me to be his eternal servant. Well, he just at well after he ends the universe. Or that's just that just sounds like a week that just sounds like a weird thing like that it's like a loving God.

It sounds like a domineering God and I believe in a wrathful and terrible God like in the biblical sense I believe in that but I don't but I also don't believe that. That a somebody who created me in that kind of way.

It basically wants me to exist to be to be just his thing forever. I think that he want to reproduce himself and have me reproduce myself and go on this big long line of God's.

Logos, well, so do you? Okay, why is God like in my mind? It's like this God wrathful toward humans or is he wrathful? Sin sin, right? Yes, but and and we're committing sin as humans. I mean if animals could commit sin I'm sure you'd be wrathful toward the animals.

Sure. No, but like this is why I mean, I'm like, I don't think it's necessarily he's wrathful toward us. I think he loves us. But the fact that we're sinning that like he can't tolerate sin because sin can't exist in heaven.

Yeah, and it's completely against him in his nature. Yeah. No, I need justice. And so yeah, it's It's justice to be like sin needs to go to hell. We're like the pure goes to heaven. So it's not so much that he wants you or I to like Oh, well, you were sinful.

So you go to hell. It's like no your sin Needs to go to hell and if you're gonna choose to like live in sin and not repent not Come on to Christ. He has no choice, but to like send you to hell, right?

Like he's not sending you to hell. We're given free will and we freely like.

But that is but that that commits a heresy. That's that's that's a nice scene in heresy because that assumes an uninfinite nature of God. And non infinite nature of him. A way of thinking about God is that he is.

That he is a 100 everything and he is infinite right? That's the way of thinking about God. That's a national does a non heretical proper way to think about God. If you were to take a if you were to take a banana, right and you're like make it infinitely large infinitely powerful Infinitely energetic infinitely everything it would no longer be a banana.

It would just be God for that boy. So God is everything and if he is everything that means he has control over the laws that he that he is subject to. Well, which means that. But he can which means he actually theoretically could have whoever you wanted around.

Yes, but it's almost like the concept of having boundaries, too. It's like you can Do whatever you want, but like if we're going to like create order. You need to create rules and like live by those rules or there's no point to having the rules, right?

Like there's no point to like having heaven if anyone can go like not every Temple, right? I agree with that and like but and we're very strict even with our own church, right?

I mean, I'll be very epic. Yes. I'll be honest. I think that's where the false gospel comes though.

Yeah, I mean and I'll be like to like transparent like I like probably the last few months. I've been kind of going away from.

But I see both sides right like so no I do too. I'm telling I'm telling they're like aiming in the wrong direction. Well, they're far more important issues to focus on. Well, I think you're in general.

Well, here's the really nice yeah, and also be really religious. Well, here's the thing Jack so to me right that's your perspective right, so my perspective is that If you believe in the wrong Jesus if you believe in the wrong gospel, you don't have an atonement for your sins.

So when you die, you're gonna stand before the Father Unjustified not declared righteous and you will go to hell at least I believe a Jesus as opposed to people. Well, here's the thing Jack 2nd Corinthians 11 for here's the thing 2nd Corinthians 11 verse 4 Paul warns the church in Corinth.

You can look it up later if you want. He says there will be people who come and preach a different Jesus a different gospel and a different spirit. So to me it there's a biblical precedent that there's different doctrines on who Jesus is and that matters, right?

Galatians 2 says those who seek to be justified by the works of the law the death of Christ has no effect on you if You have a different Jesus you're gonna end up with a different gospel so my burden in my heart for you as an LDS individual is The Jesus of John chapter 1 in the beginning was the word and the word was with God and the word was God.

All things came into being through him. There was nothing that came into being unless it was created through him and the Jesus in Colossians 1 Says he created all things in heaven and on earth visible and invisible and he's before all things and in him all things hold together.

Presents a different Jesus than Joseph Smith brought to the table. Okay. Okay. Listen, there's two tests of a prophet in the Bible three. If you want to add what Jesus says, you'll know them by their fruits.

One test Deuteronomy 13 It says if a prophet or a dreamer of dreams arises among you and produces miracles. Signs and wonders, but if they lead you after another God a God which you have not known do not believe in them.

And then later in the law of God, it says put them to death for it. So the question is the God of the Old Testament. You're funny man. No, never. I'm not. That's not what I'm saying. Just as Christian as you but not in the same way.

I don't think I don't think Joseph would agree with you, man. I think that you're backing off even what Joseph says, but I mean, yeah. Yeah profit. Yeah, they also believe in Jesus. They call me saw he didn't resurrect from the dead.

Kind of in our Christian God they call it Allah, but it's up there, but they believe in the Old Testament.

So yeah, they just they call it in Jill the New Testament as well as a scripture. But um, here's but but here's the thing.

I see they had a prophet who's actually kind of has a similar story to Joseph Smith. He sure does. Well, and so it's like why would we judge them and be like, oh well, obviously their religions false.

Like how can they like stupidly believe? But then like you're gonna say oh, but Joseph Smith. He's a real prophet, right? Right. Be consistent.

Oh, I'm not bigoted against like Muslims. Well, no, just you don't got that on me, but just just listen.

I'm bigoted. I'm saying like if we if we're gonna say like the Muslim religion is false We have to also apply that to the Mormon religion because Joseph Smith's backstory of how He like was visited by an angel and the angel told him.

Well, you need to start a whole new religion. That's literally Prophet Muhammad's backstory. He was also visited by an angel.

Oh, no, it is like you need to start a whole new religion. It is it is totally like so you believe in the truth claims of Joseph Smith or you don't you won't leave that Joseph Smith looked into a hat with Rocks in it.

Yeah, I had his plates off to the side and translated the Book of Mormon or you don't. Well. Let me get back guys real quick extent what a large part of like the argumentation against it is like cringe atheist talking points of like basically that well.

How could the Jesus guy turn water in the wine? That's just not possible. It's the same kind of argumentation. Yeah, like so so what I'm trying to get to Deuteronomy 13, okay. We've got the words of Moses the second giving of the law before the second generation of Israelites enter into the Promised Land, right?

The first generation died off because of their hardened hearts were told that in Hebrews, right? Regardless of what I'm trying to say is that if a prophet comes in Deuteronomy 13, it says if they produce signs and wonders.

So there's miracles happening. Okay, those miracles don't Necessarily mean that the person actually comes and speaks from God. So the test is do they? Right, so it could be the enemy so the question is is do they lead you after other gods?

Well Deuteronomy 6 for hero Israel the Lord our God the Lord is one Isaiah 43 10 before me. There was no God formed neither shall there be after me. You can't you can't cite the Old Testament in that.

Because that is free because as pre-christ Deuteronomy Deuteronomy is pre is before Christ. Well, absolutely, but like his birth you can't you can't you can't say why why not? Because because the Jews did not because it is your life's at that point in time did not know anything more than they already knew.

Okay, here we go. Genesis chapter 3. Genesis chapter 3. Little bit different. No, no. Listen. Genesis chapter 3 is the very first promise of the gospel given to Eve from the seat of the woman will be the one Who comes to crush the head of the serpent?

The promise was always saying looking forward to the one who is going to come to be the sin crusher from Genesis. To moat to Deuteronomy 18 talking about the one true prophet to come. I reject that because the law given to Moses was it came from Christ.

I reject that. Absolutely. Okay, so so it's a moot point. Thank you. So your point's a moot point. So Jesus is law who talks about It. No, I just want you to listen in the wrong direction again, man. You're being inconsistent.

So what? No. Just let me finish my point. I haven't given my point. I don't take you guys very seriously. I understand you guys are bad because you're aiming in the wrong direction. Just listen man. So in Deuteronomy 13 There's what we're told is if we're led after another God do not believe them.

Joseph Smith King Follett discourse. You have imagined and supposed that God has been God from all eternity. I will refute the idea and take away the veil so that you may see you have got to learn to become gods yourself like All gods have done before you that's the words of Joseph Smith was what does God say about himself in the Bible?

I've been God from everlasting into everlasting. So I'm 90 verse 2 He's Alpha Omega. Well, Joseph Smith rejects that you've got to learn to become gods according to Deuteronomy 13 Which is prophecy given at least man 2 ,800 years before Joseph Smith the law of God.

I must reject Joseph I must reject him in his claims about God and now get this if Joseph comes and brings a different God You're gonna end up with a different gospel. What's the third article of faith Jack?

I'm not even Mormon, but I know it. Well, of course. Well your job is to like drop it from the church. So, of course you drop people from the church. No, I want you to be able to understand the gospel presented biblically.

Have saving faith From a false gospel of false Christ. I'm aware of like why you're doing it, but it's like basically saying it's basically a communist going. No, I'm not trying to make you a Communist I'm just trying to take away from capitalism.

I want you to know the truth. No, I know you do.

I know you do hold on but the Mormon Church is like we're known for you know going on missions.

They come and knock on my door literally converting people to our faith. Oh, no, I know that I know that. Well, no, I don't know. No, I don't have any. No, I don't have any problem. No, here's the thing.

It's a social institutional thing. Not this. I'm focused on a more social institutional thing and enough and an effect and an effective action thing.

Rather than the actual spiritual mission throughout but our missions we will convert Catholics to be Mormon. We'll convert people of other faiths to be Mormon. Kind of cringe. But do you know what I mean.

Like we convert people of other faiths to our religion. I know all the time. No, I know. So. But they are trying to be critical. No, no, we draw.

No, it's not a critical at all because I recognize that we do draw people.

No, but we draw people away from all sorts of other religions because we believe this is the one true church. So let me get to the gospel issue real quick. Muslim. Like we would be trying to convert you to the Mormon faith and not Be Muslim anymore.

But I mean like in the Garden of Eden. Like the whole point of their downfall was Oh eat from the tree of knowledge. You can be basically a God. So what it was the original. Yeah. Yeah. Well like you want to be a god.

Well, then I'm gonna walk. And then how did Satan tempt Eve?

What is the first thing you said before that? He said did God say that it always happens the same gaslighting us? Well, well Joseph Smith does the same thing. He says the Bible's missing many plain and precious parts.

You can't trust it and then guess what you can become a god one day. Third article of faith. We believe that all mankind may be saved through the atonement of Jesus Christ. By obedience to the gospel ordinances and principles.

In order to get to the highest level of heaven you must. It's works based salvation to be with God the Father for all eternity. It's not just the righteousness of Christ. There's also X Y Z that must be done.

According to our Mormon belief it was Satan. That was his plan. I think you need to leave the LDS organization. Yeah.

I'm sorry. Really? What was Satan's plan? Satan's plan was to force people to be.

Yeah, and what's forcing them? That's a workspace salvation. You have to be perfect in order to go back to heaven.

I saw I saw I saw him go like that like that's just not true. I'm so sorry. No, no, just I want to I want to think about the gospel real quick.

I'm saying like that's what we believe in Mormon. Yeah. Well, then I feel like you're you don't know.

I went to school and studied and studied for like.

But you just said he would force us to to be perfect.

You can be perfect and like be spiritually internally perfect. Like that can be a spiritual thing.

But all we have work to be perfect.

You know what I mean it takes work I mean like but.

So he would you would have to say all the right things do all the right things and he would enforce that so we could.

Go to heaven. Yeah, right, but that's not about saying all the things also. He also meant to internally believe the things, right? It was a removal of agency.

Spiritual thing that's part of it, too. But that.

That is what it was. That was it that was not part of it that was what it was. And yes being spiritually truly perfect would result in You doing and saying all the nicest. I think I think regardless of what what you may think Lucifer's plan was I think you have recognized that what they do believe in order to be with God the Father today.

That is taught is a works-based salvation through and through. Jesus denies that. Let me tell you this the Jesus Christ of the gospel is the Jesus Christ of Philippians chapter 2. Where it says though he existed eternally in the form of God did not consider equality with God something to be grasped.

Therefore he emptied himself taking the form of a servant. He was obedient to the Father obedient to the point of even death on a cross, right? My belief in Jesus Christ alone. He was the perfect righteous one who was perfectly obedient to the works of the law where none of us could be right?

He was sinless. I'm not sinless. Jack's not sinless. Nate's not sinless. None of us are sinless. Jesus was. Okay, he was perfectly obedient. His blood was shed for me on the cross. Right covers me for my sins.

So Jesus on the cross takes my sins. Okay, and through my belief in him, he gives me his righteousness. Is there any better righteousness than the sinless spotless lamb that will make you stand before the Father justified?

No. Jesus's righteousness is enough the God-man Jesus Christ. Not external works, right? So this church teaches that it's not enough. That's just a starting point. You must do X Y Z to be before God the Father.

What I'm telling you today is the true biblical gospel rejects that. It says by your faith alone in the true eternal God who took on flesh and died on the cross for your sins. You can have assurance of your salvation through faith alone in Jesus Christ.

It doesn't mean that I live my life. However, I want to. Paul anticipates your question in Romans. It says no actually now that I'm dead to the law I'm free to uphold the law because my salvation is assured by grace, right?

Even if I make some mistakes. It doesn't mean that I'm damned. Anymore, but it also says in Ezekiel. It says that he'll take my heart of stone. Replace it with the heart of flesh put his spirit within me and caused me to want to observe his statutes.

I'll never be perfect before I die first. John says those who say they are without sin. The truth is not in them, right? But it's purely through the righteousness of Christ that when I die, I will be justified before God.

There's a prophecy of the coming Messiah in Zechariah and it's a picture of the throne room of God throne room of God. We have Satan the accuser there and we have Joshua present and Joshua's before the angel of the Lord and Satan's trying to accuse him and the angel of the Lord says no Joshua.

I give you my clean garments. I will remove the iniquity of this land away in one single day. The righteousness that I wear is purely the righteousness of Christ. That's the gospel. There's nothing you can do to be justified before God if you think there's something you can do.

You must not understand the weight of your sin. Romans 3 says no one seeks God. No one understands God all have gone astray. The venom of asps is under our lips. Our throats are an open grave. But the beautiful thing is is that though I deserve wrath and punishment John 3 16 God sent his son to die for me so that I can believe in him and through my belief in him alone I can have eternal life.

That's the gospel. It's not the atonement of Jesus Christ by obedience to the gospel ordinances and principles again Galatians 221. Those who seek to be justified by the works of the law that death of Christ has no effect on you.

My Jesus isn't a stepping stone. He's the cornerstone of my faith. He's the cornerstone of my life. That's offensive. Jesus Christ is a cornerstone of our faith to his death not enough for you. So he's Understand our doctrine.

Let me ask you a question then. So if you weren't sealed in the temple for all time and eternity if you weren't obedient to the Word of Wisdom if you didn't Weren't baptized in their church. Would that be enough for you to be with God the Father for all eternity?

Yeah. Except for the fact answer the question except for the fact that you can do all those ordinances after your death. So they still need to be done, correct? Yeah. Yeah, Jesus is that's that's more than Jesus my friend.

My Jesus is the cornerstone not a stepping stones all done by the power of Jesus Christ. No, those are your external righteousness. They're nothing but filthy rags before God. God doesn't want me filthy, man.

No, the Bible does. I protested a gay pride parade. You didn't so far. How do you know what I've done in the vandalism? But the reality is in in terms of the righteousness that I wear I wear the righteousness of Christ not external obedience to gospel ordinances and principles.

Okay, I get to you. They're very important. Yeah, but according to the New Testament That doesn't save you and actually if you believe that there's other things That you need other than the righteousness of Christ, then the death of Christ has no effect on you.

You don't understand the gospel you believe a different one and that's my worry for you. I believe a different gospel. I believe this also, I believe there's an addition of Work of Mormon Pearl O 'Gray price, but I reject it because of Deuteronomy 13.

I reject it. Joseph Smith's a false prophet. The Deuteronomy 13 you mean that the coming of false prophets? No Deuteronomy 13 is the test of a prophet.

Like another angle for the idea of like having because I mean there's always that like Point of well, so if we're just saved can we just do whatever the heck we want. Because you're talking about consequences.

And the answer is yes. No. Well, no, that's not what I said. You're Baptist. So you think differently? No, that's not what I said, but and but the end like at the end of the road. No, you misunderstood all you're going down to is I can do whatever I want you.

You misunderstood me. Romans refuse it. Then I'll say Romans first.

So what. What I think is your kind. I think you have a similar agreeance. You're just kind of seeing different.

No, we have a synthesis. Totally. No, it's what we actually agreement on. Like, but he was 98

I was talking about like When you really get converted like God the Holy Ghost converts your heart, right? So you'll you'll want to do good things to honor God if you're truly converted in your heart.

But those good things don't save me. They're the fruit of my faith. Not the root of my point.

It's just it's not gonna save you but like but he still agrees that yes. Truly become converted you naturally want to do good in the world, right? So the people who are like, oh, yeah, I got baptized, but I'm gonna just you know, do it murder for myself.

Oh, they're not actually converted. Yeah, they show that through their work. That's what James 2 is talking about. So you guys are like without works is that standpoint? It was just a lot but like I was gonna say with the idea of like Jesus and why he had to die.

He had to die because God gives us free agency. He doesn't force us to be good. So Unfortunately, you do have the freedom to sin. You do have the freedom to like not be so great, right and because he doesn't want to take away that free agency.

Will never be perfect will never be sinless. Even if we try really really really hard. I'm sure like there's like you might have a bad thought towards someone or maybe you know. Like you'll do one even if it's a small mistake that mistake.

It's like I'm sorry. You're still imperfect from that small thing. Even if you're a 99 but I was 99 there. You know what I mean, I never had any thoughts in my head ever. Right like yeah. So he knew even if we got to 99

That's not a hundred percent. So he had to send Jesus because Jesus was a hundred percent.

You know, so like there's like and so the meaning to the question you should ask yourself. Does Mormonism teach. That you don't have to be perfect in order to go to celestial kingdom. Sorry, and sorry and that's a good segue.

It does so I feel like that you don't have to be yeah.

But I feel like the idea of the churches were always like you have to do harder. You have to like, you know do more service charity work. You know be a good ministering brother or sister and you gotta do this.

You gotta do that you guys and it's so.

Boy, do we withhold salvation for not doing those things? Define salvation for me. Well, you want know if I'm saying to find salvation. Do not go to your ministering assignment. I have you I have some for you if if that's a consequence.