September 26, 2022 Show with Pete Hegseth on “Battle for the American Mind: Uprooting a Century of Miseducation” PLUS Steve Schultz & Cory Gelbaugh on “Classical Christian Education”

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In County, Pennsylvania Lake City, Florida and the rest of humanity living on the planet Earth. Who are listening via live streaming at iron sharpens iron radio .com. This is Chris Arnzen your host of iron sharpens iron radio wishing you all a happy Monday on this 26th day of September 2022 as many of you know who listen regularly to this program.

I've been traveling.

Particularly.

Involving the g3 conference in Washington DC where I was manning an exhibitors booth for this program and also hosting a pastor's luncheon Featuring dr. James R. White of Alpha Omega Ministries and also a debate that took place this past Saturday Featuring dr. White.

I will give you all updates on that in the days ahead. But our time is too short.

Today.

To go into detail on any of those things because we have a first-time guest a Very important guest who can only be on with us for the first 30 minutes of the program. We have two other guests. Following him that will be discussing the same subject classical Christian education.

But first of all, our first guest Pete Hegseth will likely be no stranger to the vast majority of our listening audience. He is an Army National Guard officer co-host of Fox News Channel's Fox and Friends Weekends, he's an author and a very passionate advocate for the classical Christian education movement.

He is also addressing today battle for the American mind uprooting a century of Miseducation which is his brand-new book. It's my honor and privilege to welcome you for the very first time ever to iron sharpens iron radio Pete Hegseth.

Thanks so much for having me. Oh, I'm thrilled to have you on brother and I know that my audience is as well Pete we have a tradition here whenever we have a first-time guest on iron sharpens iron radio.

We have that guest give a summary of their salvation story. That would include any kind of religious atmosphere in which they were raised if any and the kind of providential Circumstances our Sovereign Lord rose up in their lives that drew them to himself and saved them and as whenever if we could hear a.

Summary of your story appreciate that. I grew up in a faith-filled Christian home in Twin cities in Minnesota. My parents brought me to to Jesus Christ brought me to church. We were very involved and I was introduced at a young age.

And I was baptized. I believe at the age of 13 and a committed Christian and and but like anyone else's and I think as I've gotten older and this is part of why I'm so passionate about classical Christian education.

Inside my own family and for everyone is that I realized I had a Christian veneer an intellectual relationship at many levels with with Jesus Christ, but and and you know that a Lot of what I work on now pertains to Education and the secular core and then we try to undo that on Sunday morning and Wednesday night and over the dinner table and It was through a lot of careening in my own life that say about five six years ago lost once again and needed needed to Need to find that personal abiding relationship with Jesus Christ and only through that Only through the law and the wisdom of the Bible.

Are you actually for me to realize that and it has been. It has been the aspect of my life, and I'm so grateful To have found wonderful churches and pastors and have interned Committed my life even more deeply to a relationship with Christ and and everything is better when that happens and the ability to then profess with others.

But not as often internalized as I should and I'm grateful today to God providentially for all that happened to me. But hopefully that I can give that back in the years to come. Well, praise God and how.

Did you wind up as a television journalist and host of Fox and Friends? Weekends at the Fox News Channel.

Well, only God's grace for sure. I ended up running a couple of veterans organizations through running those vets organizations I had infrequent opportunities to do television appearances either about the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan or foreign policy or the state of the military.

Or more recently the failures at the Department of Veterans Affairs. And I started doing more and more Fox segments on those topics. And then one day Some producers of Fox and Friends said have you ever thought about asking questions instead of answering them?

And I said, hey, I'll try anything one time if you're foolish enough to put me in that seat. And I I did and it must have gone. Okay and then Tucker Carlson was the Fox and Friends weekend host. Before he got his primetime show.

And when he got that primetime show after the 2016 election I kind of felt slid in as the conservative voice. On Fox and Friends weekend now, it's a camp of stuffy and will cane and great people. But it I've been doing it ever since and then with Fox Nation have had the opportunity to do amazing stuff.

Amongst them multiple trips to Israel to talk about the battle in the Holy Land and an upcoming series on the life of Jesus in Christmas and Easter as well. So it's it has just been a blessing and I try to use the platform Responsibly as I can to advance the things that really matter.

Now you mentioned that your faith had a lot to do with you.

Growing deeper and deeper into your not only interest in but your passion for and Your zeal and promoting classical Christian education. Was becoming a parent that had a lot to do with that. What were the initial things that made you say.

I've got to really start looking more deeply into Not only the way that education is being conducted in our country today But even the history of how it wound up this way.

Yes, a lot of it had to do with being a parent a lot of it had to do with coming from a house. That very much valued public education. My dad was a public educator. He's an athletic director. I went to public school my almost Fervent belief was that if I went to public schools, my kids are definitely going to public school, too.

It was good enough for me. It's good enough for them and I I want to be committed to that and it was based on the view of school which had sort of romanticized the aspects of going to high school and prom and football and and all of those things that you think of as a sort of Americana and.

Then if you just open your eyes and start to look at what you value as a Christian or a patriot and. What you want to? You know what you want to teach your kids in that process and then you look at public schools.

You realize there's almost none of it there. It's just not there. So if I if I send my kids sure, they might make a bunch of friends and all that. But they're they're not for 40 hours a week. They're getting a message that's antithetical to the things that are most important to me as a Christian and a parent and.

And at first it was oh man, what do I do? I can't really leave public school and what options are out there and Through some research and and and others who guide me in the right direction. And frankly churches are not very good at this for the most part these days.

They don't they still play the Sunday Wednesday game and don't do enough in providing guidance to families about opportunities. They're out there and homeschoolers were ahead of the curve on a lot of these ways and classical Christian.

The awareness around classical Christian education is is rising. Thank goodness, but it almost was mugged by reality that my own Christian veneer with a secular core was the most likely outcome for my kids if I if I entered them into two different worlds and then you and you add the third world of social media and phones and.

You realize you're completely outnumbered and outgunned and it was also as one of my my oldest kid was going through classical Christian once. He was finally in it and I realized I don't know anything.

I was never taught these things I didn't receive you know I don't know Latin or Greek and a lot of the great books have never read didn't encounter the big idea. Certainly God wasn't present In my public school and I wanted it for all of my kids and it took a while for that to happen.

And it felt like a clock was ticking in my head the entire time. Chris at every moment. They weren't in it with a moment I felt like I was failing them in their ability to not just be survivors of the culture, but be champions of Christ inside a culture.

Increasingly hot it was apparent and then it was a lot of research and then it was a fortuitous meeting with with David Goodwin who runs the Association of classical Christian schools. He's my co-author on the book.

To really crystallize the importance of school and community as an incubator to something you kind of do. While you survive public education.

Amen. Love to hear that. Well battle for the American mind. The subtitle Gives away some of what you discuss in there uprooting a century of Miss education. I'm assuming the book traces a lot of the problems that we have in modern education today.

Back to John Dewey in the early 20th century. It certainly does.

Gradually until it happens quickly, and I think that's exactly the trajectory of the revelation of inside Public education it happened gradually behind the scenes for decades until we call it the cope at 1619 moment when parents During kovat.

We're looking over their zoom laptops of their kids and seeing, you know gender pronouns and 1619 is the new founding date and they looked around at how did this happen and our research points all the way back to John Dewey and even before that and Every character you meet in the book over the course of those 100 years.

It's staggering. They're almost all socialists. Oh, they're all atheists humanists and Most of them especially, you know decades after Dewey are Marxist and they're the ones who all of the commanding heights of The all aspects of American education.

So John Dewey and others under the guise of wanting a new practical vocational education for immigrants Effectively said we're gonna have an elite class that that gets educated one way and everybody else gets the other and and the core of the book Progressive left they didn't know exactly where all of their schemes would lead.

But they knew they where they wouldn't late toward God toward an appreciation for America embrace of capitalism. All of those aspects we dissect how they studied it and then how they implemented it into brand new schools.

They started whose sole purpose was almost to say let's convince parents that God doesn't need to be there because God is the immovable object. That that blocks their utopian schemes. If you know, we're not perfectible.

If you know our rights come from God if you understand your place in the universe and in the grand scheme of things. You you don't fall for all the nonsense all the the arguments made today, which are utter nonsense.

But that started a hundred years ago. So the story and there's multiple layers I'm happy to share as well critical race theory and critical gender theory were born of critical theory Which was brought by Marxist in the 30s and 40s.

And of course they landed at Columbia University. Which is the preeminent Teachers College? They fled Nazi Germany. Germany went to Columbia University worked with John Dewey there as well. He's also at the University of Michigan and Started teach teachers this insidious theory which now controls You know our teachers unions in every aspect of the educational pipeline in America now.

I'm assuming Dewey was a Clever enough individual to disguise his Marxism because early 20th century America even compared to the liberals of today Which many of whom if they are in the limelight of the media are actually leftists not meant not.

But even the liberals of the early earlier 20th century. Seemed like John Birch Society members when you compare them to today's liberals. So how did Dewey get away with?

Deceiving a point so many it's a it's a great point. We we use the label progressive on an ideological spectrum and I and we use that as a far-left view. Progressive swing approach. In fact a Patriotic form because you had anarchists and communists who were committing political assassinations and bombings across America.

I mean they were seen as the real threat. Progressives were sort of the patriotic left-wing version that was less religious. But they replaced the religiosity and this is. We call it a forgery. They replaced religiosity with the flag and a pledge.

In fact the Pledge of Allegiance the first Pledge of Allegiance in America was written by a socialist. And it did not include under God in the pledge that was added by Eisenhower when we were fighting the godless communists in the 50s and the pledge was effectively the scheme was the cross and the Bible come out and the flag and the And the pledge go in because we can't all agree on God but we can't we all agree on the flag and then there were practical reasons why they said that was Expedient and then they let God be over in the corner and then the Supreme Court came in and did their work for them by Banning the Ten Commandments and by banning prayer.

So progressives didn't look as extreme in the early 20th century as they do today and they use that. Again they would not have necessarily known where their schemes would be but they knew where they wouldn't and that was intentional and.

And God got stripped out other things were replaced and then more radical elements like we're seeing right now. And that's where the Marxist sentence in the Marxist battle the progressives and they eventually take over.

What what were previously? Union-select Jimmy Carter and Jimmy Carter was effectively created by the Union's Obama comes in and accelerates it all. And and puts in cultural Marxist and and that's how the ground was made fertile.

In inside all of that Chris is one last thing churches advocated their responsibility. They were effectively broken into more fundamentalist wings, which were focused on saving souls, which is great. And then the other side was focused on social justice.

Those are the liberal churches were aware of. Congregations are shrinking. But if you get out of the school business and only the soul-saving business you abandon a huge part of the culture that the left then uses to turn kids away from a Religiosity or a relationship with God and that's our why our hope is that churches will get back into the Monday through Monday through Friday business in addition to the Sunday business so that they're complementary as a community in shaping souls not adverse to each other.

I'm gonna give our listeners our email address if they have questions for you. We only have time for a couple of questions because you're only on for 30 minutes today. But it's Chris arms in a gmail .com.

Chris a RN z en a gmail .com. Give us your first name at least your city and state and your country of residence before I go to any Listener questions. I want to talk about something very important. That is coming up on October 15th at 7 p .m.

That's Saturday, October 15th. Grace Christian Academy of Long Island located in Merrick, New York Is very near and dear to my heart. Because it is the school run by my former church where I was a member before relocating to Pennsylvania.

Grace reform Baptist Church of Long Island in Merrick and. Our guest today our first guest Pete Hegseth is the keynote speaker at a fundraising gala at the Melville Marriott on Long Island. And if you could tell us anything about what you plan to say that day.

Yeah, I've got no passion for classical Christian education. There aren't. How do I say it? There aren't as many of these classical Christian schools in the tri-state area of New York as there should be.

But there are more than you think meaning if you really want to intentionally seek one out you can find one. There are also a lot of online options or hybrid options. Classical conversations. But I didn't know of this school on Long Island until he reached out and shared about it told me about it and what a beacon of light that is and My my goal with this book the films that we did at Fox Nation about it as well.

We actually have a season 2 of miseducation coming out at Fox Nation as well. It's simply to raise awareness that the parents know these things are out there. There is there has been an educational renaissance in the last 40 years with classical Christian education and schools like Grace Christian Academy are on the front lines and there I want their admission to be exploding.

I want their ability to grow to be Astronomical and so it was a no-brainer to do a fundraiser With them and talk about the merits of classical Christian education. Obviously a lot of families who are already there will attend.

But our hope is that a lot of families who maybe had heard a little about it. Maybe they read the book. Maybe they're unsure whether it's worth doing. You're gonna you know, you already pay property taxes do I pay tuition as well?

Are there options for support for that form of education that they are committed to and how it is life-changing for families?

Well, if you want more information about this fundraiser go to Gcali comm that's G for grace C for Christian a for cat Academy Li for Long Island Comm that's G Cali comm and all of the details will be there for the October 15th Gala fundraiser for Grace Christian Academy featuring Pete Hegseth as the keynote speaker.

That's Saturday, October 15th 7 p .m At the Melville Marriott and we actually have during the remaining 90 minutes of the show Steve Schultz as one of our guests The headmaster of Grace Christian Academy of Long Island in Merrick, New York, and also we have Corey Gelbaugh Who is headmaster of the Lagos School of Carlisle, Pennsylvania, and they're both going to be addressing classical Christian education.

Well, we have a number of Questions that have already come in. I only have time for a couple of them. We have Susan and so talk at New York. She has two questions. They're very good. I've read your book and certainly agree that a classical education is a sound one I should know as I taught for five years in a classical school.

That being said I wonder how classical education can be broadened in order to make it available and Attractive to those families who cannot afford to send their child to private school classical homeschooling is an option, but not everyone is able to homeschool or have the ability to command a Classical curriculum.

Are there any other ideas out there to suggest for families who would love to provide a Classical education to their children, but are having difficulties arranging for one.

It's a great question first. I would that families who think they can't can't and it's because it's all based on priority. You know how many vacations you take what kind of cars you drive? What kind of other financial decisions do you make that if you didn't do those things you could provide a world-class education for your kids?

So I challenge that to myself. I challenge that to everybody else knowing there are still impediments for so many people. It's about as we argue in the book a radical reorientation of your life around education.

In fact, we recently moved our family across the country to precisely the type of school. We want our kids to be in a radically reorienting everything because we think that alongside that and our family in the church.

It's the most important. There are homeschool. There are hybrid options. There are cost-effective options for sure somewhere you're homeschooling a couple days a week. You're in school others. The other point is a policy point.

So Arizona just did it effectively universal vouchers where the dollars follow the kids. That's how you break the back of the unions and the government school monopoly that they have right now. You have we have to get courageous politicians willing to say no government public schools take for granted the funding they receive and once you Have that kind of demand and again, we're not talking about something where the government gets in the way.

We're talking about something the money goes to the parents in that Arizona is doing just that at $8 ,000 I believe next school year. It's one then you would see an impatriotic candidate. This should be the first thing on their on their on their to-do list.

Susan's second question is classical education. Oftentimes creates a sense of elitism in education and in the minds of its students. Which is not something Christians should cultivate. Is classical Christian education the type of education that promotes humility and compassion for others or does it tend to drive a wedge through the recipients of that sort of schooling and those Outside of it.

And perhaps Pete you don't even agree with her assessment of cultivating elitism.

But what do you think any school can create the wrong kind of culture? I think intentionality and humility is extremely important. My experience with classical Christian schools is they seek to be academically elite, but not elitist and.

The word classical even comes with this sense of you know We're better than you and it couldn't be further from the truth. They the the education of our founding generation was effectively classical and it went to blacksmiths and farmers as well.

This is about not thinking Lowly of average people that they're not able able to access the great ideas and the great books and biblical wisdom. So it is on the culture of schools to maintain Elite performance without creating arrogance in students who are going to be armed with knowledge that the world has fundamentally rejected.

So no, it's it's. I would not support that characterization. But I understand where she's coming from and she's experienced at first. And if it's done incorrectly. You certainly don't want to create a bunch of nitpicking arrogant Christians running out in the world and going at war with each other.

Making the perfect enemy of the good. They just need to stand for something and know why they stand for it and and do so in a humble way.

Thank You Susan by the way. Harper Collins has been generous enough to give us a limited number of copies of Pete Hegseth's book since you claim in your question. You already have it. I'll leave it up to you whether you're going to give a copy to somebody else or if we should pass it on to a different listener.

Who writes in the question? We're going to be giving a limited number of copies away. Even when Pete goes off the air and we are interviewing our two headmasters of classical Christian schools. So Thank You Susan.

We have Arnie and Perry County, Pennsylvania. And He asks, how do you overcome the objections to Conservative Christians who say they have a big problem with classical Christian education because it includes too much.

Secular material in it because it includes too much secular material in it. Yeah. It's an objection. It's if anything, it's that it's much religious material, which I of course don't agree with at all.

That's what it's all centered around all of all of human wisdom. It is it is by by as a matter of fact a Grappling with what Western civilization has long grappled with which is the tension between between Athens and Jerusalem between reason and faith.

And I I think what classical Christian does well is expose its students to all sides of issues religious and secular but all grounded in Physical truths and objective truths and the Word of God and I think you create when they are prepared to to engage with great books and texts some of which Would not and I think it's a reflection of civilization that has been that tension.

So that's not a criticism I'm I'm concerned. I mean, I under I appreciate the question, but it's to me I think it's a no-brainer you engage on those topics as well So that you're not creating a bubble effect Where it's only Christians who can live with other Christians and speak the Christian language as opposed to engage with the world.

Armed with biblical wisdom. Well, thank you Arnie and you have won a free copy of Pete's book. Please make sure we have your full mailing address. So that Cumberland Valley Bible Book Service CVVBS .com can ship that out to you.

We have an anonymous listener Who says I've been having a struggle with the church that I am a member of to transform The Christian education they provide in their own school to a classical model. Do you have any counsel for me and good points to bring up when having?

Respectful conversations with my leaders. Great point. I would point to classical Christian org as a resource as an association. They do a great job of talking about How it's the type of education you wish you had it makes you want to go back to school and engage in with it.

The problem a lot of Christian schools make is not all of them. But a lot of them is that they take them and they put the depth to which education in America century and classical Christian schools was written and created by progressives from social studies to the bell ringing to Sociology and all the topics and how and how it was created by progressives.

A lot of Christians will simply mimic that because that's all we know is what we're used to as opposed to Digging underneath the ruins of an educational system and rediscovering a way of teaching that was intentionally trampled out by progress rules.

Well intentioned attempt to layer Christianity on top of what is already a progressive system and accepting those assumptions as Opposed to really rolling up their sleeves and saying there was a way this was done before that was totally lost now.

We have to rediscover it and I think classical Christian org does a nice job providing those talking points and perspectives. For parents the transition is not easy. It's a very different way. It's a very different way of educating and even traditional Christian schools.

But once you see it, you can't unsee it and then you realize how much learning is actually lost when you don't follow that model.

Well anonymous. Send me by email your full name and mailing address because you've also won a free copy of battle for the American mind uprooting a century of Miseducation by Pete Hegseth and this is compliments of our friends at Harper Collins and also compliments of our friends at Cumberland Valley Bible Book Service CVVBS .com.

We'll be shipping that out to you and I would recommend highly. Obviously that after you read the book you share it with the very leaders of your church which you mentioned as you try to convince them in a respectful and humble way to Transform the education they provide to a classical model.

Well Pete. It has been a blast. I hope that you return to the program. Soon and often and maybe even for a longer period of time at some point in the in the future we'd love to have you discuss any topic that you care to address and Any final words in summary about classical Christian education that you care to share with our listeners.

Well, I mean difference maker that we need today. It will not save your soul. That's still on parents. To instill what you believe in it's almost as if when you drop your kids off at school. You breathe a breath breath of fresh air.

Knowing that what you believe in is being amplified and reflected there. So if you're interested come on to our event on Saturday, October 15 7 p .m Marriott Hotel and Conference Center in Melville, New York.

It's gonna be a great event and I really look forward to it.

Thank you so much Pete and we'll God willing talk to you soon. You got it. Thanks Chris. God bless and Don't go away folks because we are going to be joined during the remainder of the program by Steve Schultz headmaster of Grace Christian Academy of Long Island in Merrick, New York and Corey galbaugh of Logos school of Carlisle, Pennsylvania another classical Christian school and we're going to be discussing classical Christian education.

And further depth if you'd like to join us our email address is Chris Arnzen at gmail .com. Chris a RN z en at gmail .com. Give us your first name at least your city and state and your country of residence.

Don't go away. We'll be right back.

Hi, hi, I'm Pete Hegseth co-host of Fox and Friends weekend now, I don't have to tell you but American education. It's in a freefall crumbling under the weight of a century of damage inflicted upon America's academic system.

The answer it's called classical Christian education a form of K through 12 ed. That's very distinct from the type of education Most Americans have received Myself included and that's why I'm so excited to have been invited by my friends at Long Island's Grace Christian Academy to talk about this wonderful growing movement and new approach rediscovered to education.

It's at 7 p .m. October 15th at the Marriott Hotel and Conference Center in Melville, New York. I'll also be signing copies of my New York Times best-selling book battle for the American mind for the first 50 guests starting at 6 p .m.

Now, this is a fundraising event designed to raise money to help grow this type of education at a time when it is So desperately needed so please come ready to give and to learn About a way to stimulate academic revival in our great country.

You can purchase tickets for the event by visiting G Cali G C a l i .com and following the link to the gala Event. I hope to see you there.

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