September 26, 2022 Show with Pete Hegseth on “Battle for the American Mind: Uprooting a Century of Miseducation” PLUS Steve Schultz & Cory Gelbaugh on “Classical Christian Education”

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Carlisle, Pennsylvania It's iron sharpens iron This is a radio platform in which pastors

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Christian scholars and theologians Address the burning issues facing the church and the world today

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Proverbs chapter 27 verse 17 tells us iron sharpens iron so one man sharpens another

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To make one another wiser and better It is our hope that this goal will be accomplished over the next few hours

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And we hope to hear from you the listener with your own questions. And now here's your host

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Chris Arnzen In County, Pennsylvania Lake City, Florida and the rest of humanity living on the planet

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Earth Who are listening via live streaming at iron sharpens iron radio .com This is

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Chris Arnzen your host of iron sharpens iron radio wishing you all a happy Monday on this 26th day of September 2022 as many of you know who listen regularly to this program.

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I've been traveling Particularly involving the g3 conference in Washington DC where I was manning an exhibitors booth for this program and also hosting a pastor's luncheon

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Featuring dr. James R. White of Alpha and Omega ministries and also a debate that took place this past Saturday Featuring dr.

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White. I will give you all updates on that in the days ahead But our time is too short today to go into detail on any of those things because we have a first -time guest a

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Very important guest who can only be on with us for the first 30 minutes of the program. We have two other guests

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Following him that will be discussing the same subject classical Christian education

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But first of all, our first guest Pete Hegseth will likely be no stranger to the vast majority of our listening audience

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He is an Army National Guard officer co -host of Fox News Channels Fox and friends

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Weekends, he's an author and a very passionate advocate for the classical Christian education movement

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He is also addressing today battle for the American mind uprooting a century of Miseducation which is his brand -new book

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It's my honor and privilege to welcome you for the very first time ever to iron sharpens iron radio

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Pete Hegseth Hey Chris, that privilege is mine. Thanks so much for having me

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Oh, I'm thrilled to have you on brother, and I know that my audience is as well Pete we have a tradition here whenever we have a first -time guest on iron sharpens iron radio

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We have that guest give a summary of their salvation story

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That would include any kind of religious atmosphere in which they were raised if any and the kind of providential

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Circumstances our sovereign Lord rose up in their lives that drew them to himself and saved them and as whenever if we could hear a summary of your story

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No better way to start. I appreciate that. I grew up in a faith -filled Christian home in Just north of the

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Twin Cities in Minnesota, my parents brought me to to Jesus Christ brought me to church we were very involved and I was introduced at a young age and I was baptized

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I believe at the age of 13 and Committed Christian and and have always

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Been there, but like anyone else's story It has got a lot of wines and a lot of curves and a lot of turns and I think as I've gotten older And this is part of why

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I'm so passionate about classical Christian education Inside my own family and for everyone is that I realized

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I had a Christian veneer an intellectual relationship at many levels with with Jesus Christ, but very much a secular core and And you know that a lot of what

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I work on now pertains to education and the secular core and then we try to undo that on Sunday morning and Wednesday nights and over the dinner table and it was through a lot of careening in my own life that I Not say about five six years ago came to the realization that I was lost once again and needed needed to Need to find that personal deep

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Abiding relationship with Jesus Christ and only through that only through the law And the wisdom of the

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Bible are you actually truly free and it took a lot of bondage of the world for me to realize that and it has been it has been as You know as your listeners know the only freeing aspect of my life, and I'm so grateful

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To have found wonderful churches and pastors and have in turned Committed my life even more deeply to a relationship with Christ and and everything is better when that happens and the ability to then profess with others

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As well, so it's I've long known but not as often internalized as I should and I'm grateful

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Today to God providentially for all that happened to me, but hopefully that I can give that back in the years to come well, praise

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God and how did you wind up as a television journalist and host of Fox and friends weekends at the

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Fox News channel. Well, only God's grace for sure. I I was spent a lot of years in the military and ended up running a couple of veterans organizations and Through running those vets organizations

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I had infrequent opportunities to do television appearances either about the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan or foreign policy or the state of the military

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Or more recently the failures at the Department of Veterans Affairs And I started doing more and more

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Fox segments on those topics and then one day some producers of Fox and friends said if you ever thought about asking questions instead of answering them and I said, hey,

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I'll try anything one time if you're foolish enough to put me in that seat and I I did and it must have gone okay, and then

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Tucker Carlson was the Fox and friends weekend host before he got his primetime show and when he got that primetime show after the 2016 election

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I kind of filled slid in as the conservative voice On Fox and friends weekend now, it's a talk full of conservatives with Rachel Campos Duffy and Will Kane and great people

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But it I've been doing it ever since and then with Fox nation have had the opportunity to do amazing stuff amongst them multiple trips to Israel to talk about the battle in the

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Holy Land and an upcoming series on the life of Jesus in Christmas and Easter as well So it's it has just been a blessing and I try to use the platform as powerfully and responsibly as I can

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To advance the things that really matter Now you mentioned that your faith had a lot to do with you growing deeper and deeper into your not only interest in but your passion for and your zeal and promoting classical

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Christian education Was becoming a parent that had a lot to do with that What were the initial things that made you say

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I've got to really start looking more deeply into Not only the way that education is being conducted in our country today, but even the history of how it wound up this way

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Yes, a lot of it had to do with being a parent a lot of it had to do with coming from a house That very much valued public education.

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My dad was a public educator. He's an athletic director. I went to public school my Almost Fervent belief was that if I went to public schools, my kids are definitely going to public school, too

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It was good enough for me. It's good enough for them and I I want to be committed to that And it was based on the view of school which had sort of romanticized the aspects of going to high school and prom and football and and all of those things that you think of as a sort of Americana and Then if you just open your eyes and start to look at what you value as a

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Christian or a patriot and What you want to? You know what you want to teach your kids in that process and then you look at public school

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You realize there's almost none of it there. It's just not there So if I if I send my kids sure, they might make a bunch of friends and all that They're they're not for 40 hours a week

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They're getting a message that's antithetical to the things that are most important to me as a

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Christian and a parent and And at first it was oh man, what do I do? I can't really leave public school and what options are out there and Through some research and and and others who guides me in the right direction

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And frankly churches are not very good at this for the most part these days They don't they still play the

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Sunday Wednesday game and don't do enough in providing guidance to families about Opportunities that are out there and homeschoolers were ahead of the curve on a lot of these ways and classical

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Christian Is the awareness around classical Christian education is is rising. Thank goodness

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But it almost was mugged by reality that my own

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Christian veneer with a secular core was the most likely outcome for my kids if I if I entered them into two different worlds and then you and you at the third world of social media and phones and You realize you're completely outnumbered and outgunned and it was also as one of my my oldest kid was going through classical

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Christian Once he was finally in it, and I realized I don't know anything. I was never taught these things

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I didn't you know I don't know Latin or Greek and a lot of the great books have never read didn't encounter the big idea

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Certainly God wasn't present in my public school And I want it for all of my kids and it took a while for that to happen and it felt like a clock was ticking

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In my head the entire time Chris at every moment. They weren't in it was a moment I felt like I was failing them in their ability to not just be survivors of the culture

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But be champions of Christ inside a culture Increasingly hostile to all of those things

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So it was apparent and then it was a lot of research and then it was a fortuitous meeting with with David Goodwin who runs the

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Association of classical Christian schools. He's my co -author on the book To really crystallize the importance of school and community as an incubator for warriors for Christ as Opposed to something you kind of do while you survive public education

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Amen love to hear that well battle for the American mind the subtitle

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Gives away some of what you discuss in there uprooting a century of Miss education

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I'm assuming the book traces a lot of the problems that we have in modern education today

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Back to John Dewey in the early 20th century. It certainly does certainly does, you know

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Ernest Hemingway wrote of bankruptcy that it happens gradually until it happens quickly and I think that's exactly the trajectory of the revelation of gravity inside Public education it happened gradually behind the scenes under the surface for decades until We called the cope at 1619 moment when parents during COVID were looking over their zoom laptops of their kids and seeing you know gender pronouns and 1619 is the new founding date and they looked around at how did this happen and our research points all the way back to John Dewey and even before that and Every character you meet in the book over the course of those 100 years.

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It's staggering. They're almost all socialists Oh, they're all atheists humanists and most of them especially, you know decades after Dewey are

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Marxist and they're the ones who Gain control of the commanding heights of the all aspects of American education

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So John Dewey and others under the guise of wanting a new practical vocational education for immigrants

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Effectively said we're gonna have an elite class that that gets educated one way and everybody else gets the other and and The other of course must not include

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God And so that the core of the book is the argument that the progressive progressive left

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They didn't know exactly where all of their schemes would lead, but they knew they where they wouldn't lead toward God toward an appreciation for America embrace of capitalism

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All of those aspects they so they removed God first and we dissect how they wrote about it

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How they studied it and then how they implemented it into brand new schools They started whose sole purpose was almost to say let's convince parents that God doesn't need to be there because God is the immovable object

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That that blocks their utopian schemes If you know We're not perfectible if you know our rights come from God if you understand your place in the universe in the grand scheme of things

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You you don't fall for all the nonsense all the the arguments made today

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Which are utter nonsense, but that started a hundred years ago. So the story and there's multiple layers I'm happy to share as well critical race theory and critical gender theory were born of critical theory which was brought by Marxist in the 30s and 40s and Of course, they landed at Columbia University, which is the preeminent

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Teachers College They fled Nazi Germany Germany went to Columbia University worked with John Dewey there as well.

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He was also at the University of Michigan and Started teach teachers this insidious theory which now controls

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You know our teachers unions in every aspect of the educational pipeline in America now

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I'm assuming Dewey was a Clever enough individual to disguise his

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Marxism because early 20th century America Even compared to the liberals of today which many of whom if they are in the limelight of the media are actually leftists not meant not

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But even the liberals of the earlier earlier 20th century Seemed like John Birch Society members when you compare them to today's liberals

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So how did Dewey get away with? Deceiving great point so many it's a it's a great point

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We use the label progressive today as sort of a point on an ideological spectrum

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And I and we use that as a far -left view Progressive in in the early 20th century were viewed as a more moderate form of the left -wing approach

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In fact a patriotic form because you had anarchists and communists who were committing political

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Assassinations and bombings across America. I mean they were seen as the real threat Progressives were sort of the patriotic left -wing version that was less religious, but they replaced the religiosity and this is

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We call it a forgery they replaced religiosity with the flag and a pledge in fact the

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Pledge of Allegiance The first Pledge of Allegiance in America was written by a socialist And it did not include under God in the pledge that was added by Eisenhower When we were fighting the godless communists in the 50s and the pledge was effectively the scheme was the cross and the

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Bible come out and the flag and The and the pledge go in because we can't all agree on God But we can't we all agree on the flag and then there were practical reasons why they said that was

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Expedient and then they let God be over in the corner and then Supreme Court came in and did their work for them by banning

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Bible reading and banning the Ten Commandments and binding banning prayer So progressives didn't look as extreme in the early 20th century as they do today

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And they use that again they would not have necessarily known where their schemes would be but they knew where they wouldn't and that was intentional and And God got stripped out other things were replaced and then more radical elements like we're seeing right now

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And that's where the Marxist sentencing in the Marxist battle the progressives and they eventually take over What were previously fairly conservative teacher associations and make them teachers unions and the teachers unions elect

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Jimmy Carter and Jimmy Carter create the Department of Education Which was effectively created by the Union's Obama comes in and accelerates it all

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And puts in cultural Marxist and and that's how the ground was made fertile In inside all of that Chris is one last thing churches advocated their responsibility

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They were effectively broken into more fundamentalist wings, which were focused on saving souls, which is great

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And then the other side was focused on social justice Those are the liberal churches were aware of whose congregations are shrinking

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But if you get out of the school business and only the soul -saving business you abandon a huge part of the culture that the left then uses to turn kids away from a

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Religiosity or a relationship with God and that's our why our hope is that churches will get back into the

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Monday through what Monday through Friday business in addition to the Sunday business They're complimentary as a community in shaping souls not adverse to each other

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I'm gonna give our listeners our email address if they have questions for you We only have time for a couple of questions because you're only on for 30 minutes today

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But it's Chris Arnzen at gmail .com Chris ARN Z en a gmail .com

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give us your first name at least Your city and state and your country of residence before I go to any

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Listener questions. I want to talk about something very important that is coming up on October 15th at 7 p .m.

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That's Saturday, October 15th Grace Christian Academy of Long Island located in Merrick, New York Is very near and dear to my heart because it is the school run by My former church where I was a member before relocating to Pennsylvania Grace Reformed Baptist Church of Long Island in Merrick and our guest today our first guest

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Pete Hegseth is The keynote speaker at a fundraising gala at the

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Melville Marriott on Long Island And if you could tell us anything about what you plan to say that day

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Yeah, I've gotten to know Stephen Schultz. He's the headmaster over there amazing guy and With a passion for classical

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Christian education there aren't How do I say it? There aren't as many of these classical

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Christian schools in the tri -state area of New York as there should be But there are more than you think meaning if you really want to intentionally seek one out you can find one

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There are also a lot of online options or hybrid options classical conversations But I didn't know of this school on Long Island until he reached out and shared about it told me about it and what a beacon of light that is and My my goal with this book my prayer with the book and with the films that we did at Fox Nation about it as well

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We actually have a season 2 of miseducation coming out at Fox Nation as well It's simply to raise awareness that parents know these things are out there

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There is there has been an educational renaissance in the last 40 years with classical Christian education and schools like Grace Christian Academy are on the front lines and there

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I want their admission to be exploding I want their ability to grow to be astronomical and so it was a no -brainer to do a fundraiser with them and Talk about the merits of classical

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Christian education Obviously a lot of families who are already there will attend but our hope is that a lot of families who maybe had heard a

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Little about it. Maybe they read the book. Maybe they're unsure whether it's worth doing You're gonna you know, you already pay property taxes.

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Do I pay tuition as well? Are there options for support for that? The event is meant to highlight this form of education that they are committed to and how it is life -changing for families if you make the same commitment

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Well, if you want more information about this fundraiser go to G Cali calm

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That's G for grace C for Christian a for cat Academy Li for Long Island calm

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That's G Cali calm and all of the details will be there for the

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October 15th Gala fundraiser for grace Christian Academy featuring Pete Hegseth as the keynote speaker

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That's Saturday, October 15th 7 p .m. At the Melville Marriott and we actually have During the remaining 90 minutes of the show

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Steve Schultz as one of our guests The headmaster of grace

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Christian Academy of Long Island and Merrick, New York And also we have Corey Galbaugh who is headmaster of the

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Lagos School of Carlisle, Pennsylvania And they're both going to be addressing classical Christian education.

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Well, we have a number of Questions that have already come in. I only have time for a couple of them.

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We have Susan and so talk at New York She has two questions.

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They're very good I've read your book and certainly agree that a classical education is a sound one

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I should know as I taught for five years in a classical school that being said I wonder how classical education can be broadened in order to make it available and attractive to those families who cannot afford to send their child to private school classical homeschooling is an option, but not everyone is able to homeschool or have the ability to command a

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Classical curriculum are there any other ideas out there to suggest for families who would love to provide a

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Classical education to their children, but are having difficulties arranging for one It's a great question first.

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I would and the answer is yes But I would challenge the assumption that families who think they can't can't and it's because it's all based on priorities

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You know, how many vacations do you take? What kind of cars do you drive? What kind of other financial decisions do you make that if you didn't do those things you could provide a world -class

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Education for your kids, so I challenge that to myself I challenge that to everybody else knowing there are still impediments for so many people

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It's about as we argue in the book a radical reorientation of your life around education

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In fact, we recently moved our family across the country to precisely the type of school We want our kids to be in a radically reorienting everything because we think that alongside that and our family in the church

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It's the most important There are homeschool. There are hybrid options There are cost -effective options for sure somewhere you're homeschooling a couple days a week.

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You're in school others The other point is a policy point So Arizona just did it and other states should follow suit which is effectively universal vouchers where the dollars follow the kids

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That's how you break the back of the unions and the government school monopoly that they have right now You have we have to get courageous politicians willing to say no longer should

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Government public schools take for granted the funding they receive and instead the parents to choose and vote with their feet and Once you have that kind of demand and again, we're not talking about something where the government gets in the way

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We're talking about something the money goes to the parents and the parents choose the school in that Arizona is doing just that at $8 ,000 per student

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Starting I believe next school year and other states should follow that model Empowering parents to actually choose this form then you would see an explosion

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So this is my challenge to conservative and patriotic candidates. This should be the first thing on their on their on their to -do list

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Susan's second question is classical education Oftentimes creates a sense of elitism in education and in the minds of its students

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Which is not something Christians should cultivate is classical Christian education the type of education that promotes humility and Compassion for others or does it tend to drive a wedge?

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Through the recipients of that sort of schooling and those outside of it and perhaps

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Pete. You don't even agree with her assessment of Cultivating elitism, but what do you know?

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I think any school can create the wrong kind of culture I think intentionality and humility is extremely important my experience with classical

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Christian schools is they seek to be academically elite, but not elitist and The word classical even comes with this sense of you know

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We're better than you and it couldn't be further from the truth They the the education of our founding generation was effectively classical and it went to blacksmiths and farmers as well

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This is about not thinking Lowly of average people that they're not able able to access the great ideas and the great books and biblical wisdom

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So it is on the culture of schools to maintain Elite performance without creating arrogance in students who are going to be armed with knowledge that the world has fundamentally rejected

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So no, it's it's I would not support that characterization But I understand where she's coming from experience at first and if it's done incorrectly

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You certainly don't want to create a bunch of nitpicking arrogant Christians running out in the world and going at war with each other

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Making the perfect enemy of the good They just need to stand for something and know why they stand for it and and do so in a humble way

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Thank You Susan by the way Harper Collins has been generous enough to give us a limited number of copies of Pete Hegseth's book since you claim in your question.

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You already have it I'll leave it up to you whether you're going to give a copy to somebody else or if we should pass it on to a different listener

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Who writes in the question? We're going to be giving a limited number of copies away Even when Pete goes off the air and we are interviewing our two headmasters of classical

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Christian schools. So, thank you Susan we have Arnie and Perry County, Pennsylvania, and He asks how do you overcome the objections to conservative

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Christians? Who say they have a big problem with classical Christian education because it includes too much

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Secular material in it because it includes too much secular material in it. Yeah Um, I usually don't get that as an objection

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It's if anything it's that it's some would say it includes too much religious material, which I of course don't agree with at all

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That's what it's all centered around all of all of human wisdom It is it is by by as a matter of fact a

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Grappling with what Western civilization has long grappled with which is the tension between between Athens and Jerusalem between reason and faith

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And I I think what classical Christian does well is expose its students to all sides of issues religious and secular but all grounded in physical truths and objective truths and the

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Word of God and I think you create Far more well -equipped students when they are prepared to to engage with great books and texts some of which would not comport with their faith

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You have to be armed that way and I think it's a reflection of West Georgia Do Christian Western civilization that has been that tension?

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So that's not a criticism. I'm I'm concerned I mean, I under I appreciate the question But it's to me.

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I think it's a no -brainer you engage on those topics as well So that you're not creating a bubble effect

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Where it's only Christians who can live with other Christians and speak the Christian language as opposed to engage with the world armed with physical wisdom

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Well, thank you Arnie and you have won a free copy of Pete's book Please make sure we have your full mailing address so that Cumberland Valley Bible Book Service CVVBS .com

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can ship that out to you we have an anonymous listener

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Who says I've been having a struggle with the church that I am a member of to transform

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The Christian education they provide in their own school to a classical model Do you have any counsel for me and good points to bring up when having respectful conversations with my leaders?

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I? It's a great point. I would point to classical Christian org as a resource as an association.

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They do a great job of talking about How it's the type of education you wish you had it makes you want to go back to school and engaging with it

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The problem a lot of Christian schools make is not all of them But a lot of them is that they take the already

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Corrupted and progressive education system and they put God on top of that and there hasn't really been a full examination of the depth to which education in America as it was practiced almost

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Exclusively until the 21st century and classical Christian schools was written and created by progressives from social studies to the bell ringing to sociology and all the topics and how and how

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The classroom even looks was created by progressives a lot of Christians will simply mimic that because that's all we know is as School in America.

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It's what we're used to as opposed to Digging underneath the ruins of an educational system and rediscovering a way of teaching

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That was intentionally trampled out by progressives. So a lot of Christian schools well -intentioned attempts to layer

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Christianity on top of what is already a progressive system and accepting those assumptions as Opposed to really rolling up their sleeves and saying there was a way this was done before that was totally lost now

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We have to rediscover it and I think classical Christian org does a nice job providing those talking points and perspectives

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For parents the transition is not easy. It's a very different way It's a very different way of educating and even traditional

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Christian schools But once you see it, you can't unsee it and then you realize how much learning is actually lost when you don't follow that model well anonymous

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Send me by email your full name and mailing address because you've also won a free copy of battle for the

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American mind uprooting a century of Miseducation by Pete Hegseth, and this is compliments of our friends at Harper Collins and also compliments of our friends at Cumberland Valley Bible Book Service CVVBS .com

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We'll be shipping that out to you and I would recommend highly obviously That after you read the book you share it with the very leaders of your church which you mentioned as you try to convince them in a respectful and humble way to Transform the education they provide to a classical model

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Well Pete it has been a blast. I hope that you return to the program Soon and often and maybe even for a longer period of time at some point in the in the future we'd love to have you discuss any topic that you care to address and Any final words in summary about classical

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Christian education that you get or share with our listeners? Well, I mean it is it is the cultural difference maker that we need today.

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It will not save your soul. That's still on parents to instill a

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Relationship with Jesus Christ on their kids, but it will complement what you believe in It's almost as if when you drop your kids off at school

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You breathe a breath breath of fresh air knowing that what you believe in is being amplified and reflected there

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So if you're interested come on to our event on Saturday, October 15 7 p .m Marriott Hotel and Conference Center in Melville, New York, it's gonna be a great event and I really look forward to it

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Thank you so much Pete and we'll God willing talk to you soon. You got it. Thanks Chris.

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God bless and don't go away folks because we are going to be joined during the remainder of the program by Steve Schultz headmaster of Grace Christian Academy of Long Island in Merrick, New York and Corey Galbaugh of Logos School of Carlisle, Pennsylvania another classical

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Christian school and we're going to be discussing classical Christian education And further depth if you'd like to join us our email address is

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Chris Arnson at gmail .com See HR is a RN z en at gmail .com

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Give us your first name at least your city and state and your country of residence. Don't go away. We'll be right back

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Hi, hi, I'm Pete Hegseth co -host of Fox and friends weekend now

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I don't have to tell you but American education It's in a freefall crumbling under the weight of a century of damage inflicted upon America's academic system

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The answer it's called classical Christian education a form of K through 12 ed

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That's very distinct from the type of education. Most Americans have received myself included and That's why

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I'm so excited to have been invited by my friends at Long Island's Grace Christian Academy to talk about this wonderful growing movement and new approach rediscovered to education

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It's at 7 p .m. October 15th at the Marriott Hotel and Conference Center in Melville, New York I'll also be signing copies of my

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New York Times best -selling book battle for the American mind for the first 50 guests starting at 6 p .m

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Now this is a fundraising event designed to raise money to help grow this type of education

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At a time when it is so desperately needed So please come ready to give and to learn about a way to stimulate academic revival in our great country

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You can purchase tickets for the event by visiting G Cali GC a li .com

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and following the link to the gala event. I hope to see you there Satan is the father of lies and spin and the mother of those lies is a government who has rejected

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Steve Schultz headmaster of Grace Christian Academy of Long Island in Merrick, New York and Corey Gelbaugh headmaster of Lagos School of Carlisle, Pennsylvania They're both going to further address classical

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Christian educations and first of all my old friend Steve Schultz Welcome back to the program

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Thanks, Chris. Good to be here It's great to have you back on the program tell our listeners about Grace Christian Academy of Long Island in Merrick, New York which is going to be the beneficiary of The fundraising gala on Saturday, October 15th at 7 p .m

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At the Melville Marriott on Long Island featuring keynote speaker Pete Hegseth Absolutely.

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Okay Let's see Grace Christian Academy for the longest time was the only classical

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Christian K through 12 in all of New York City in Long Island There's a

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K through 8 in Manhattan There is now a Lutheran school further out in Suffolk County that is in the process of converting into classical

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Wow Yeah, so we're excited about that Please be praying for them

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And you know, we're pretty excited that we're gonna have some allies out here, but that's our objective is we want to spread classicism throughout

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Long Island If you know as well as you may know the church

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Proportionally is very small in Long Island especially Nassau County and Yet there is a real

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Valuing of education here and it tends to be a pretty Sophisticated business if you will and what we want to do is

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Spread the the gospel by using education to do that and especially through classicism

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Great, and we'll be giving all the contact information Toward the end of the program for Grace Christian Academy of Long Island and Merrick and now we have a first -time guest

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I have had a number of stations in the past and even recently with my next guest and his wife

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We have Corey Gelbaugh on the program who is headmaster and founder along with his wife of Lagos School of Carlisle, Pennsylvania and Corey it's great to have you on the program for the first time.

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Yeah. Thanks for having me. It's great to be here and I was thrilled to hear that you were in attendance recently at One of the major events that I arranged with dr.

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James R. White of Alpha Omega ministries I believe you were at the first event that we had on Tuesday.

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Am I correct? Yeah, yep. I was there and dr. White has been a blessing in your life for many years.

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Am I right? yeah, he was one of my I would say one of my spiritual influences through the through YouTube and Normally, I skip over the beginning of his debates.

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I've listened to almost all of them But one time I I just let it run and I heard this

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Guy introducing him who I thought was pretty funny. And then I said wait, I recognize that voice

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He's sure enough. It was you. Yeah Well a long time ago tell our listeners about Lagos School of Carlisle and you may be wondering folks

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Why I'm pronouncing L O G O s Lagos. It's because I was corrected by the aforementioned.

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Dr James R. White of Alpha Omega ministries that no matter how anybody chooses to pronounce it today and logos is

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Probably the most common that he said the correct way to pronounce it is Lagos So that's why I've been pronouncing it that way

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I don't know if you pronounce it that way Corey, but tell us about your school well for the longest time we were pronouncing it logos like Doug Wilson school out in Moscow, Idaho and I actually heard

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James White on the dividing line day Correcting a correcting

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Doug Wilson on the pronunciation and he said either Lagos or logos and So I went logos because I thought it sounded better.

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But then he rebuked me for that the other day Well, here's the funny part James White has been making fun of Jeff Durbin for years for calling his church

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Apologia Church, and now that James is actually a co -elder there of Apologia Church in Mesa, Arizona He has caved in and no longer pronounces it

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Apologia and he pronounces Apologia as they have been pronouncing it all along so You can you can fire that back at him, but tell us about Logos Yeah, I will do that.

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Um, I think I think I actually YouTubed apologetics and found

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James White through that search from Apologia Studios and I my daughter turned four and I had been on this sort of Spiritual journey and we wanted to have her a school option for her

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Before she turned five so this was a little over a year ago now that we actually discovered a

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CCS my wife and I and By God's grace we were able to Get the school started this year in Carlisle, Pennsylvania and We have 40 students

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And it's it's going Smoothly so far to almost too smoothly. I'm waiting for something to But I told

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Steve that I'm gonna have to pick his brain about a bunch of day -to -day classical Christian Knowledge but We really love the

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ACCS And we're trying our best to stay true to the the original vision.

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Can you repeat what a CCS is? The Association of Classical Christian Schools, okay

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And I believe that's probably what Pete Hegseth mentioned in the first 30 minutes if I'm not mistaken yeah, that's a

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David Goodwin the president. Yes We have just a few minutes

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Since Steve has already been a guest on our program and you're a first -time guest Can you give us a summary of your salvation testimony in a few minutes?

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Can you hear me Cory? Sure Can you give us a summary of your salvation testimony in a few minutes, yeah, definitely

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I Think when my daughter was born my first daughter

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I decided that I needed to Learn think about what

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I actually believed and why I believe it she started asking questions once she could talk that I didn't feel confident in my answers and Realized I needed to base my worldview and something

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Deeper than just my own opinions and I wanted to You know base

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What I believed and what I was telling her on the Word of God. And so I started reading the

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Bible became The Spirit convicted me through that process of just reading the

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Bible Every day that it was the Word of God and led me to respond in such a way that I think it demands once you believe it to be true and I was humbled by learning who

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God really is and That I really can't know anything without him and I'm Hoping to get my kids to see the world the way that I now do

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I it's been really refreshing to see the eye the the world through their Through their eyes not tainted by the day to day

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Years of seeing you know taking for granted things like the Sun rising every morning everything is fascinating to them and I Think if just because it's the the things in the world of the normal way that God works is what we're used to It doesn't make it any less amazing and really, the

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Spirit has led me to to to have that childlike faith again, and and I would have always considered myself a

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Christian, but it wasn't really until Having kids that I started to really consider

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What that means so I'm very grateful for that and I'm and I've I've developed a passion through that for Educating kids and bringing them up in the fear and in the discipline and instruction of the

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Lord Amen, and we're going to our midway break right now I just want to inform our guests if they didn't already realize it since they are on Microsoft Teams YouTube men will not be hearing the commercials during this break

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Hi, I'm Pete Hegseth co -host of Fox and Friends weekend now. I don't have to tell you but American education

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It's in a freefall crumbling under the weight of a century of damage inflicted upon America's academic system

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The answer it's called classical Christian education a form of K through 12 ed that's very distinct from the type of education most

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Americans have received myself included and That's why I'm so excited to have been invited by my friends at Long Island's Grace Christian Academy to talk about this wonderful growing movement and new approach rediscovered to education

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It's at 7 p .m October 15th at the Marriott Hotel and Conference Center in Melville, New York I'll also be signing copies of my

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I've been pronouncing your last name correctly Gilbaugh Yeah, that's right. Thank you for clarifying that and We have a question already from Findlay, Ohio Let me pull that up We have

01:10:56

Cindy in Findlay, Ohio I Have been listening from the start, but I do not recall a specific definition for the term classical education

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What is the meaning of this terminology? And wow, I I'm amazed that I didn't ask

01:11:15

Pete heads except for a definition of that. I failed Radio interview host 101 right away for that.

01:11:23

But Steve Schultz if you could give us a definition of classical education Okay, first of all from Findlay, Ohio home of Big Ben yes

01:11:40

All right If I may give a little bit more extensive answer with some philosophy thrown into it just to make it make more sense what predominates the academic landscape in America today is progressivism and Progressivism is built on a series of philosophies that are really not neutral or indifferent, but they are anti -christian and We can get into that further if you want but the an

01:12:14

Oversimplification of it is if you can't detect it with your five senses, then you shouldn't teach it that's at the heart of progressivism and what that instantly does is puts to rest any discussion of morality of virtue of ethics of theology

01:12:32

Of the things that we as Christians would say are the most important the term classical

01:12:39

Christian education the classical part of it Doesn't mean old

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It's used because it refers back to the classical period of the ancient Greeks and Romans and the reason that we do that Is because the the ancient

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Greeks and Romans had a very different idea of what could be known or what is knowable and Therefore how education should handle it and The Ancients believed that before you can rightly discern what you detect with your five senses

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You must first have a set of virtue in place And when the Christians then came along they said well, we know what that virtue is.

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It's knowing God knowing his word So the reason that we side with or take a classical approach is

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Because we don't begin with the sensate we begin with the ideational We believe that it is more important.

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We believe that it gives that which is detectable through the five senses context

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The best that the five senses can do is tell you what is But it can never address what ought be and that's where classicism comes in as a beginning point

01:14:02

Any further comments on the definition Corey Yeah, I'm really glad that you

01:14:09

Defined it like that Steve because uh, I really see it as adding a dimension of meaning and value to education

01:14:20

Because we're able to ask why? Not just what is something made of and what can it do practically but Why did

01:14:31

God put it there in the first place and The goal of classical

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Christian education is I would say the cultivating of virtue or Goodness according to God's standard which persists from age to age

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And we kind of have our own Our own take on when people ask us that we say that it

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Immerses students and the best stories that human tradition has to offer always in the overarching true story of the gospel because We're reading the great works of literature the ones that have stood the test of time and we're saying what's the best ideas that man has?

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to offer and How does that hold up when put up against the mirror of God's Word?

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Ronald in Eastern Suffolk County, Long Island, New York and He asks and you may have already answered that in your definition, but he wants to know

01:16:11

Can you give us as many specific details as possible that would separate?

01:16:17

Classical Christian education from the standard Christian education that many of us are familiar with in your average

01:16:25

Christian school connected with a church and perhaps we'll start with Corey this time

01:16:31

Yeah, so it differs in its Curriculum and in its pedagogy and its curriculum and that like I said it largely replaces

01:16:45

Textbooks with the great works of literature. I would say that in classical

01:16:53

Education that the emphasis is always on how to think and not What to think so you're learning?

01:17:01

how to think and easily learn any new subject we often talk about Classical education being the education of the the free man because Instead of focusing on a specific vocation and learning trades or skills having to do with the trades we're learning the the skills of learning so we're we're learning how to be able to Adapt to Whatever our students do in the future teaching them how to think and how to easily

01:17:42

Pick up any new Subject that they're faced with Steve.

01:17:48

Do you have any further comments of your own? for me, it's always going to go back to the site the philosophical underpinnings

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And you know which approach to pedagogy is going to be most conducive to Those ideas that are that are

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Christian There are a lot of good Christian schools out there that are not classical

01:18:19

So when I say this, I don't want to lump every Christian school into this it isn't over generalization, but What everybody needs to watch for is?

01:18:31

Oftentimes when a Christian school is formed They may

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Have a tendency to Not prioritize the intellect the academics as much

01:18:47

Really there's an attempt to create a safe environment, which is good but oftentimes at the expense of You know higher level learning and A classical

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Christian school won't do that You know the spiritual is by far the most important, but we also believe that as as Christians we should also be superior in our approach to academia in relation to all schools around us

01:19:26

Another approach that's pretty common is Christian schools will often take

01:19:33

The public school model and then insert the gospel into it when you say that can you give the elements of your typical

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Form of education that you see and experience and witness in the public school system

01:19:54

Model what are the specific things that Christian schools mimic while just Sprinkling on Jesus and the

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Bible. What are the specific things about? the common Experience in the public school system that are most objectionable other than of course

01:20:13

The things that I would be shocked if I heard that actual evangelical

01:20:20

Schools are mimicking like teaching that little boys can really be little girls if they just want to be and vice versa

01:20:27

And all these other hellish things that are straight from the bowels of Satan, but the other just Average ways that things are being conducted in the public schools that may have even been conducted in the 1950s that are not that overtly wicked

01:20:47

What are there some of those things that you have objection to? Yeah, yeah, those are the little foxes that spoil the vines that we don't even see coming

01:20:58

And What we tend to do is go, okay

01:21:03

What are the public schools around us doing and now let's get better at that than they are so following Common Core, for example performing higher on SATs and on AP courses

01:21:18

And unfortunately what a lot of those do is they approach subjects very broadly

01:21:25

They often make it their objective to cover as much Material as they possibly can and not really go into depth

01:21:34

But it's the depth of a subject that is going to really bring understanding and what we have to Repeatedly go back to in a classical setting is to remind ourselves that there's first of all

01:21:50

There's no way you're ever going to teach any subject exhaustively. Something's going to get tossed out the window so what you do is you pick and choose that which is most conducive to You know learning to the gospel

01:22:10

And you teach it and you teach it well and you teach it in great depth And in the process of so doing you're also training the student how to think

01:22:24

And What happens with a lot of contemporary pedagogy is it's been reduced to How do

01:22:32

I get a higher score on the next test that I have to take? and you know,

01:22:38

I taught the public system for 11 years and The objective laid on my shoulders was from from day one in september

01:22:47

Get your kids ready for the eighth grade Math test get them ready for the regents And then when you get to that stuff

01:22:57

It's not very profound. It's not in depth. It's just a lot of data and You know if they score high enough on it you've done your job

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And then once they're done with the test, they don't remember anything because it was never done with great depth um, so I I think just avoiding the the doing things shallowly if that's a word

01:23:30

Um, so so headmasters of classical christian schools invent words, too Yes I do it all the time on this show

01:23:42

Because it comes from the latin. Yeah Do you have anything to add cory

01:23:50

Uh, yeah, I would agree with that and um, I think it is seeing all sub also seeing all subjects as as cohering in christ and and um,

01:24:02

So we we have subject level catechisms Uh where math is the way that god orders his unit his creation science is the the way that he upholds his creation

01:24:12

History is the unveiling of god's plan to redeem a people unto himself

01:24:18

And language and the arts are are the reflections of his image bearers on that history and um

01:24:26

For example, i'm teaching i'm actually teaching science. It's another thing that headmasters do at these

01:24:33

Schools, um and uh our first in our first quiz and Uh, and and in each lesson our teachers have to in their lesson plans answer the questions

01:24:42

Why can we study this and why should we study this? and they have to explicitly point to bible verses in the place of where state standards would be in in uh, public and even some christian schools and um

01:24:56

So for science, why can we study science depends on the reliability of the senses that god made the seeing ear and the hearing out

01:25:02

The seeing eye and the hearing ear, uh, the rationality of the mind because we're made in his image and the uniformity of nature

01:25:11

That he guarantees us through the new covenant Um, we need all those things to be able to even do induction which science relies upon and so we're teaching that to um, and and really hitting home on uh, the foundations of all uh learning and seeing all learning as learning about god because we're learning about uh his creation we have

01:25:37

Let's see. I was just looking at a question, uh from a listener.

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Oh here we have it Uh, we have cj from lyndon hearst long island, new york

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And I hope that cj Uh will attend this fundraising gala for Grace christian academy right there in melville long island at the melville marriott because it's very close to lyndon hearst

01:26:02

We have cj who is asking a question Is the classical education movement a monolith?

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Or are there differences in ideology and the model for this education?

01:26:18

Other than the fact that there will be theological differences amongst those practicing this

01:26:24

Because there are different theologies represented by the churches who run these schools as steve schultz mentioned earlier

01:26:34

When he mentioned that there was a lutheran school in eastern suffolk county opening up a classical christian school

01:26:41

And we'll have steve start with that Okay, I think

01:26:46

I understood that question and in other words are all the classical christian schools nearly identical other than the theology because Uh, grace christian academy is the school of a reformed baptist

01:26:59

School, obviously it's a calvinistic school. In fact, I know that uh, cory

01:27:05

Gelbaugh is a member of carlisle reformed presbyterian church. Am I right? Cory yeah, but i'm uh,

01:27:11

I am i'm a reformed baptist. Oh, okay In fact, in fact,

01:27:17

I've heard that about three quarters of the congregation are But send my regards to pastor matt purdy and deckard stephens,

01:27:26

I love those guys but uh, so steve I don't know if I've helped clarify or further muddled the question

01:27:33

Uh, um, okay. I think i've got enough to go on and uh There are there is some wiggle room, um

01:27:43

I I think the short answer in all that is yes and no. Um Yes It's uniform in that we we all follow the trivium um

01:28:00

Especially if you are an accs school, uh, there is a pretty clear standard that's laid out by accs

01:28:08

Uh, which I think is an excellent thing to do. Um And Uh yet I mean you're going to have your variances

01:28:22

Because you've got some schools that are k through eight some that are k through 12 some that have a pre -k um

01:28:29

You know some that are further along in their refinement than others uh, you know, we

01:28:38

For example our k through eight is is

01:28:44

Pretty far along in its classical approach uh our high school

01:28:51

Is is pretty classical, but we also have some ap courses which are not and um

01:28:57

We're thinking through How exactly to refine that? um

01:29:04

You get some classical christian schools that are completely very, uh classical all the way through Uh, you've got others that are going through some transition right now like the school

01:29:17

I mentioned out in long island or out in suffolk county um What I would need to know is

01:29:26

From the one asking the question. Is there a specific? aspect Uh that you're that you're questioning that you're asking about Well, that would require the listener sending an email back and if you are still listening and i'm assuming you are

01:29:42

Send in a clarifying email if you would like to or if they answered your question sufficiently

01:29:48

You don't need to I have a question of my own though that is connected to it Are to your knowledge?

01:29:55

Are there any? either secular schools Still in existence that are have adopted a classical education model without the religious aspect and perhaps

01:30:10

Worse than that are their leftist and apostate churches Who have adopted a classical model?

01:30:17

But have also sadly polluted it with leftist religious philosophy and theology to your knowledge and we could have

01:30:25

Both steve and cory answer that Cory you want to take that one? Pressure I think you've been around longer but uh

01:30:37

Not that I not that I know of I know there's a large. Uh, um catholic classical movement, um, but not that i'm within the um accs certainly not um, but I I don't think so.

01:30:56

Do you know steve? Yeah, um, I don't okay I know that there are growing attempts especially among the charter schools

01:31:08

To uh have a secular version of classicism Um, you know classicism is not intrinsically christian uh, but It it does tend to accommodate the gospel

01:31:24

Absolutely more than progressivism does um now

01:31:30

Where I would argue the deficiency is is that once you get into?

01:31:37

um classicism There is a lot of discussion of virtue and of right and wrong

01:31:44

And if you do not have a transcendent referee over all that, uh, you know a transcendent lawgiver

01:31:51

Uh your discussion over morality and virtue just becomes a matter of people's opinion

01:31:57

Um, so you do need a transcendency there now as far as um apostate churches, you know those who embraced

01:32:09

Uh, a lot of the the woke movement, um They are not going to tend to embrace classicism or Their Authentic christian teaching simply because of their ideology um, you know classicism

01:32:28

It is about virtue. Um And might

01:32:33

I add it is about logic it is about thinking and you cannot Think logically and arrive at the conclusions that a lot of these apostate movements have have arrived at so In fact a listener who sent us a question earlier

01:32:52

Susan anise to talk it. She just said that there are secular homeschooling programs

01:32:59

In the classical model. However, most classical schools. I am familiar with Are reformed in nature, which is an interesting point theologically reformed.

01:33:11

I assume she is referring to Thank you for your own input into that susan we're going to our final break right now

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Until its completion Are two headmasters of two different? Classical christian schools steve schultz headmaster of grace christian academy of long island located in merrick, new york

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And cory galbaugh headmaster of logos or logos depending upon how you want to pronounce it school of carlisle pennsylvania

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They are both addressing the classical christian school model And if you have a question,

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I would advise you to send it in immediately because we are rapidly running out of time Our email address is chris arnzen at gmail .com

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chris arnzen at gmail .com. Give us your first name at least city and state and country of residence

01:47:56

We have bb in cumberland county pennsylvania Who wants to know?

01:48:02

Do both of your schools require uniforms for the students and if so Could you at least make them attractive uniforms because in my opinion for most christian school private school

01:48:19

Uniforms that I have seen throughout the years including the one I was forced to wear for a child are absolutely hideous

01:48:28

Uh In fact, I would like to add to that question if you insist on uniforms

01:48:33

What is the benefit to that and let's start with steve schultz Are you okay?

01:48:39

We're good Uh, we do require uniforms um, and I agree uh we believe that Um, we should be putting our best foot forward in everything that we do and uh the uniforms

01:48:58

I think are attractive they're respectable they're um I I think the kids even like them um for the guys it's coat and tie for the girls it's skirt blazer um

01:49:13

Why do we do that? There's a variety of reasons. Uh, one is that it it gives the

01:49:20

Uh It fosters a mindset of we're on the same team here, uh, it eliminates a lot of the uh

01:49:31

Um You know competition That a lot of kids have with each other outside of here, uh, you know

01:49:42

Unless you can wear a blazer better than the next guy Right, so you're talking you're talking about you're talking about the the people will be showing off otherwise very expensive clothing and perhaps the students that Are from lower income or impoverished families, they'll be embarrassed or something.

01:50:02

Is that what you mean? Yeah, there's certainly an element of that I remember not that I want to recommend george carlin in general to our listeners

01:50:13

Because quite a bit of his humor was vulgar but not all of it But I remember him talking about that very thing in catholic school, which he was

01:50:23

Where he was a student himself and so was I by the way before my conversion to christ. I was roman catholic

01:50:28

But I remember george carlin saying that there was a way that kids would get around uh

01:50:35

The fact that they all had to wear the same exact uniform to show off The affluence of their own families some of the kids would wear a gold cross around their neck actual size

01:50:47

So there was a way of showing that There was a way of showing that off. But anyway, sorry for interrupting you anything further to say about the uniforms

01:50:57

Uh as far as steve goes makes life It makes life easier on on the parents.

01:51:03

Um You know not only budgetary but also in the morning

01:51:09

What am I gonna wear today? Yeah looks like a blazer And uh as far as that same issue with you, uh, cory

01:51:23

Yeah, we do require uniforms a little bit less formal but pretty similar Um, and my daughter

01:51:28

I have to say I think I look adorable especially for the girls and she thinks that she looks adorable too because she's been right she's been

01:51:36

Uh trying it on the night before school every night since she started kindergarten uh, which sort of defeats the purpose of it to be honest because um, uh, we the reason that we um want to do uniforms in the first place among other things is is uh,

01:51:53

Especially for girls to to sort of mitigate the effects of the self -love culture

01:51:59

Not give them um, not tempt them to idolatry of any kind not to find their value in their clothes

01:52:05

Anything we can do to take that stuff away. Um, you know, I want to teach my daughter that Unless she finds her value and being made in the image of god um, she'll never be enough and um, you know,

01:52:19

I think clothes is an underrated factor in that and uh schools that aren't don't have uniforms, so it's you know, there's a it was actually a debate we had and there's a um,

01:52:32

A biblical basis I think for it and um Our parents even the ones who are against uniforms have really come along Now, how do you prevent your daughter from feeling so adorable in her uniform?

01:52:44

Do you throw spaghetti sauce on it or? How do you make it less attractive to her

01:52:52

Yeah, take down all the mirrors I don't know she uh They get really dirty though I Most of our boys have already have holes in their uniforms after a few weeks of school here

01:53:07

Um because from recess stuff now if it's a persbyterian school, i'm assuming the holes are from smoking cigarettes

01:53:16

Well, you know we we only have We only have about four minutes left and I want you first cory

01:53:25

To give the best pitch that you can possibly give In a minute and a half of why students in the carlisle pennsylvania area should enroll their students at logos or lagas

01:53:38

School of carlisle pennsylvania, and then we'll have steve Follow you with an additional pitch for the fundraiser, but cory if you could go first Okay, um yeah,

01:53:51

I mean we uh, we have the goal of All students we don't we don't see ourselves as being competitors to other christian schools, although we do believe our model to be superior.

01:54:01

Um, for the reasons we talked about earlier, but our our theme at our school is to Is learning through story and what we want to do is, uh, tell our students

01:54:13

A different story than the world is telling about who they are and what their role is in god's world

01:54:20

Um, we want to cast them as characters in god's story um You know unmask the world spin on that story

01:54:28

Uh, bring bring it to life in their eyes, but by our own action um

01:54:34

Intellectually justify its truth, uh inspire the students to love it and then disciple them onto um unto love and maturation and the image of god and really uh,

01:54:46

Um, you know only the spirit can ultimately do the work of regeneration, but we can lay the foundations we can plant the seed and and um, pray for the rain and uh

01:55:03

We're really taking the christ -centered part seriously and we're coming along in the classical um uh with the help of the association of classical christian schools and um other

01:55:15

Accs schools around us learning from them um and Trying to tell our students god's story.

01:55:24

Um and really Get them to think god's thoughts after him and to realize that that's when they're what they're doing when they're learning

01:55:33

Amen, and the website for lagos School of carlisle, pennsylvania is l o g o s

01:55:41

School so there's two s's next to each other. Don't let that throw you off l o g o s school carlisle c a r l i s l e dot com

01:55:52

And now steve schultz give your pitch Well, first of all, amen to everything cory just said um, you know christ is to remain preeminent over all things and uh

01:56:06

I I believe that the moment you teach any subject without Presenting christ as the creator of it the sustainer of it in the end of it

01:56:15

You do that child a disservice and you have short -circuited their education um

01:56:23

You were asking me, uh, you know, why why the fundraiser um

01:56:29

We intentionally and sacrificially keep our tuition uh relatively low

01:56:36

Um, you know, we still need to pay to keep the lights on and we got to pay We've got some really good teachers here and we want to keep them

01:56:44

Uh, but nobody's getting rich here And the reason that we keep it low is because we serve a lot of low socio -economic areas out here

01:56:53

And our objective here is not to make money. It is to get as many christian families children

01:57:00

Into a christ -centered education as we possibly can um Um, we are primarily funded by tuition which again is is relatively low in relation to the other schools

01:57:14

Um, but not only does the fundraiser help us to grant Tuition assistance to get other kids out here

01:57:22

We are hoping uh to make gca Basically the the sending hub by which we bring in classical christian education and uh,

01:57:34

Quite frankly what I want to do is take over long island with uh, this approach to education.

01:57:40

Praise god But we're going to need resources to do it well, please I want everybody who can make it to Melville long island on saturday october 15th at 7 p .m

01:57:52

at the melville marriott Please attend the grace christian academy fundraising gala and uh

01:58:00

For more details on how you can do that or where you could just send a check to donate to them you don't necessarily need to be at the gala to do that to hear pete hegseth, which is a

01:58:13

Really phenomenal bonus to hear pete as the keynote speaker at this event but if you

01:58:20

Can't get there. You just want to mail in a check all the details can be found At gcali .com

01:58:27

That's g c a for grace christian academy l .i for longisland .com

01:58:33

I want to thank both you steve schultz and My other guest cory gelbaugh for doing such a great job today

01:58:43

Introducing our listeners to classical christian education. I also obviously want to thank Pete hegseth of fox news who had the first segment of the program discussing the same subject and also

01:58:55

Discussing battle for the american mind uprooting a century of miseducation his new book if anybody wants to purchase that book

01:59:02

Go to cvbbs .com cumberland valley bible book service cvbbs .com

01:59:07

mentioned that you heard about this book From iron sharpens iron radio and mentioned to them that it is a harper collins publication

01:59:16

And they will get that to you. I want to thank everybody who also submitted questions during this program

01:59:22

I'm, so sorry We could not get to all of you, but time as always speeds by like a lightning bolt on this program

01:59:29

And I want you all to always remember for the rest of your lives

01:59:35

That jesus christ is a far far greater savior than you are a sinner amen