Dead Men Walking Podcast Tom McMillin Michigan State Board of Education Parental Rights & Mandates

Opening Banter and Show Setup

Hey, welcome back to another episode of Dead Men Walking. We're in it now. We are in it to win it. How are you doing, Jason?

We sure are, bro. Oh, this is a fun one, bro. Bro ham. Do you do bra in any of your text? Do you do B-R-U-H?

I don't I don't do it in text, but my seven year old son has been calling me Daddy Bra. Oh, nice. He goes, what's up, Daddy Bra? Daddy, where did you get this? You're homeschooled. You're not supposed to be picking up on the culture.

Yeah, right. There you go. Hey, man, you know. It's all right. I like it. Well, cool. Hey, we're right at the top of the show. This is going to be a fun one because this episode is brought to you by the Detroit Baptist Theological Seminary.

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Very nice. And we're going to link that up on the podcast for those guys. I know I'm going to be there.

A five hour lecture. I mean, which. Well, it's like, you know, whatever you want to lecture. You're like, oh, geez.

Well, it's actually on the current issues of Christianity. Speakers include recognized theologians and pastors with a commitment to the absolute authority of scripture, which we like. And we like Dr. Joel Beek.

So I know I'm going to be up there. I know I think you're going to get up there. It's not too far from us. So if you're in the area, go check it out. We'll link it up. So thank you. Detroit Baptist Theological Seminary.

Oh, yeah. But on the line today and our guest is Mr. Tom McMillan. Tom, how are you, sir? I'm doing well, Greg. How are you doing? Pretty good. We are going to get into it tonight. I think it's going to be a fun one.

I'm going to let Tom give a little bit of his background. But before we do that, you want to get into a little news? Yeah, let's do that. Are you good over there? We just adjust.

Yeah, no, no, no. Well, the past couple of shows, I've noticed that my voice is super low on the recording. Yours is super loud. So I don't know if we switch, but I don't know if you're one or two.

I wonder. I don't know which we're going to do. We're going to do. We're going to do a live test right now. Watch this. Say, check, check, check. You're two. I'm just a loud mouth. No, no, no, no. I'm going to turn me down a little bit.

There we go. All right. All right. Look at that. Look at that, Tom. We can even do sound checks live. There we go. Let's get into Newsy News. Here we go.

Levi’s Executive Resigns Over Virus Policy Resistance

We got some news. Yeah, we do. Yeah, we do. What do we got on the docket there, Jason? All right, guys. So where do we start? I know, right? What's going on this month? There's so much going on right now.

It's just hilarious. But this is just a yeah, it's not a feel good story, but it kind of is. It's kind of good. OK, so Levi's executive resigns over. I can't say the C word virus policy stance refuses a $1 million non-disclosure severance.

A Levi's executive on track to be the brand's next CEO resigned and refused a settlement that would require she stay silent about the reasons. Once a national champion gymnast, Jennifer Say announced her resignation as Levi's brand president in an essay published on Substack.

The mother of four had been a vocal opponent of many of the virus 19 measures which impacted children, including school closures and online learning throughout the pandemic. Say was pressured by her employer and outside groups to stop speaking publicly about virus policies, but was never forcibly silenced.

She was repeatedly told to think about what I was saying, what she was saying. Sure. So yeah, so anyway, she did not take the $1 million severance, even though it would have helped her family.

She says there's people left in this world with principle. Oh my goodness.

And she's not afraid to tell you about it. So yeah, that was that was a really cool little story. I mean, what what are we looking at here? I mean, is this is this something that we need to be loud and proud about?

Or should we take that $1 million bonus and be like, you know what? Don't even worry about whatever you're trying to do to us, Mr. Biden. Yeah. What do you think, Tom?

Do you think she made the right decision? Yeah, I think she did. I mean, obviously, she she's probably pretty talented, so she'll probably go somewhere else. And there's plenty of people out there that aren't buying this stuff.

So I think she'll land somewhere that is better for anyway. Yeah. Providentially. There we go. Yeah. Amen.

Another reformed brother on the line, too. We're going to get into that a little bit. What else do we got, Jason? Yeah. Yeah. So here we have we're going to have to touch on this, guys. Sorry. The Canadian authorities announced new measures in the ongoing conflict with truckers.

Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau, Trudeau, whatever his name is, announced plans to invoke the Emergencies Act to end the weeks long protests staged in the capital city of Ottawa. Additionally, the Canadian government has backlisted blacklisted nearly 30 Bitcoin addresses in an attempt to cut funding to the protesters.

The caravan of truck drivers is protesting broadly against virus 19 restrictions and a jab man and the jab mandates. The reaction to Trudeau's plans among local officials was mixed. Doug Ford, the premier of Ontario, was supportive, saying we need law and order.

Our country is at risk now, while Quebec's premier, Francois Legault. I'm sorry, but my Pepe Le Pew is not so good. It's pretty good. We'll take it. Felt this was the wrong direction for Canada posting.

At this point, it would not help the social climate. There is a lot of pressure, and I think we have to be careful. It wouldn't help for the polarization. The truck drivers remain united, vowing not to leave unless forced out.

Yeah. So, I mean, this is crazy. Yeah, I've heard everything from $100 ,000 fines to people being rolled over in the street by horseback, police on horseback. Someone actually died the other day from being trampled by a horse.

I didn't hear that. Yeah, I mean, there's a lot going on within the this isn't just like truckers sitting there blowing their horns. There's a lot at stake here for Canada. And yeah, I mean, what are you guys thinking about it?

I mean, well, I will say this before we throw it over to time. I mean, they are just going full bore on this because now they're absolutely authoritarian, totalitarian. I mean, they have they've rewritten their banking laws now for if you give donations and they said it's domestic terrorism.

They're arresting people who's bringing them gas. I did see a fun video clip of people like 20 ,000 people carrying fake gas cans along with real ones. And they said they can't arrest us all. Yeah, yeah.

And I posted it to our social media. I said, yeah, the resistance is always a little sneaky. So you see this video shot of probably 5 ,000 people all carrying two gas cans, some of them full, some of them empty.

And the cops just looking like we don't know where to start. Yeah. But Tom, you are a three term state representative. You're now on the Michigan State Board of Education, which we'll talk about here shortly.

As a politician, this has got to be in a conservative one at that and libertarian. I would say leading this has got to drive you insane, doesn't it?

It does. And yeah, I mean, it's hard to imagine Canada staying quiet much longer. They're a rugged group of people. And I'm pleased that they're finally stepping up. I mean, I wish in the United States we had something like this, but we tried this in Michigan.

I was one of the people up in Lansing that kind of gridlock Lansing back in May of first state. I think first one in the country or in the world that really did started the protest. I was there both times they had a sequence, a sequel to.

So, yeah, I mean, I think protest is the bedrock, man. So I'd like to know how we get money to them. I don't know.

Right. Yeah. And we'll link that stuff up on the usually on our news, too. We link that stuff up on the website. And also, when you listen to the podcast, you can click on the things that we're talking about.

And Jason, I did hear you say, I'm sorry about the news. Don't you ever apologize about that?

Good news that you bring Jason.

Hey, we curtail this news for your smorgasbord.

You know, there is so much news going on right now. And I know people are seeing the same stuff over and over and over. And it's like, yeah, but at a point, we really do have to stop collaborate and listen.

You know what I'm saying?

It's hard to kind of, you know, get the exact scoop. I mean, I don't know if you guys mentioned other podcasts, but I listened to Tom Woods talk about this because I trust him and, you know, he's got the wherewithal to get the people that are in the know there in Canada.

And it seems like it's totally legit. It's totally, you know, just people fighting for freedom. So, you know, I think that we need to support them. I mean, it's a good thing.

So on our last one here, I'm going to round it out. I do have a little audio clip for the listeners. I want you to listen to this. This is in the Oakland School District in California. This is two teachers talking about their transition closets and what they are trying to institute in California in their district and then push it to the rest of the country.

Listen to this 30 second clip and we'll talk about it.

My principal just approved our district's first transition closet. We'll be working with the organization, the transition closet to provide clothes for transgender, non-binary and gender exploring youth who maybe don't have the access or the safety to get those clothes in their personal lives.

They'll be able to come to school and change the clothes that make them feel more at home and more like themselves. And I just think that's lovely. The goal of the transition closet is for our students to be able to wear the clothes that their parents approve of, come to school and then swap out into the clothes that fit who they truly are.

Fit who they truly are.

Listen to that. What their parents approve of. And then when you get to school, you can do what you want and swap out into what you feel more comfortable in. Right. This made me livid just for the just for parental rights for many government schools.

I feel like they don't care about your parental rights. And we posted that on our Instagram and got a got a lot of comments on a lot of people agreeing, though, as well, going, how can you do that?

You know, it's on both sides of the aisle fence, the fence aisle, whichever side you want to say. Yeah, it's like you see people reacting the same way. They're just like, look, my kids are being brought up in a certain way, you know, and it's like you hear you hear the different sides of it as well that people are like, look, this is how I bring up my kid.

And it's like, but if you choose the this is how I bring up my kid in a biblical manner. That's when the pushback happens, right? It's not on the other side where people are like, oh, they can go in that transition cause they can do whatever.

It's like, no, like, I mean, hold on a second.

Yeah, this is what makes it especially egregious for me. Tom, tell me what you think, because this is going to get us into our discussion. It'd be one thing if you're instituting these and it's free of choice.

I still wouldn't support it, but to blatantly say, oh, yeah, come to school and what your parents approve. And then essentially he's saying secretly without telling your parents, we're going to go ahead and change you into whatever you want to wear.

I feel like that's just a gross overstep of what the school system is supposed to do.

What do you think about that, Tom? Certainly. I mean, the subversion of the parents interest is, I mean, you know, I think that, and I've been arguing this at the state board, you know, the amount of subversion and they keep wanting more and more money, and yet they're so hostile.

And when I say they, I always get a tweet or something that, oh, he thinks all teachers are horrible. No, I mean, there are some good teachers, you know, yada, yada. But I mean, the system more and more is just opposed to parents, you know, having any say.

They don't want them to FOIA. They, you know, they want to learn what's going on, but then they charge hundreds of thousands of dollars for simple FOIAs. You know, they throw roadblocks all over and then they want more money.

And I really think that Republicans, I put out a Facebook post and said, Republicans need to be held accountable when they're wanting more supplemental. You know, I mean, there's one thing, you know, there's the money that they get per child, but then there's supplemental money.

Well, they shouldn't be sending any more supplemental money until they get parents' rights straightened out. The CRT, this SDL, all these DEI, all these things are dealt with in a way that we approve and the parents approve before, you know, they keep putting more money into the system.

You know, I think that I've been arguing that, you know, they, like I said, they keep wanting more. And I think more and more people are pulling their kids out. And at some point, you know, it's going to get to where they don't want to pay the regular taxes.

People are going to say, why am I doing this? It's a hostile environment.

Yeah. What happens in that situation? If somebody is going to a public school and then they're like, no, I'm going to homeschool. Did their taxes also come out of the public? Oh, I love you, Jason. Okay, I don't know.

No, no, no. He's right.

I was wishful thinking, Jason. Okay. They owe me 10 years worth of my dad, 20 years worth. Gotcha.

No, but Jason, there, no, but there is a penalty to the local school. They have one less child. So they get less. They get eight grand less or 10 grand less. Gotcha. Okay. And so, you know, the system, I mean, the denominator goes down by one.

So everybody is the statewide actually gets a little bit more, you know, a 10th of a penny or whatever, because it's the same money that is put in there from the sales tax. 2 of the sales tax, but the denominator keeps decreasing.

But that individual school feels the pain. Wow. Yeah, yeah, absolutely.

Tom McMillin’s Background and Public Service

So are we good with the news? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Already. And that was the news. I love your outro. Yes. Okay, Tom, let's get into it because we touched on a little bit, and I know you have so much information.

And before you tell us a little bit about yourself, I just want to say for people who listen on here, they know that I am involved in politics. I always say there's three good ones at the federal level and two at the state.

And, boy, I'll tell you what, Tom, when you were in the house, I was a big supporter of yours. You were one of those one or two that are always hanging around there. A Gary Glenn type, a Tom McMillan, a Justin Amash, those type of guys that have such great principles and you don't bend.

Now, that doesn't mean you can't compromise, but you do not bend from your principles. I was really hoping things that turned out differently in your congressional run. And who knows? I'm so happy that you're on the state board, though, because we need voices like you on that state board.

So why don't you give us a little couple minute background of who you are and what you've done? I know I kind of spoiled some of it, but introduce yourself to the audience.

Sure. Yeah. Tom McMillan. I got involved in politics in 98 because somebody wanted me to run for precinct delegate, and we were fighting for the pro-life position within the party. So I got involved then.

I've run several times for things and lost and won. And I've been a city councilman in Auburn Hills for nine years. I was mayor for two. I was a county commissioner for two years. I unseated a Democrat in Oakland County, the only one to do that in 40 years, 50 years.

I was a state representative from 2009, January 2009. I won in 2008, 2009 to 2014. So I was term limited then. I ran for Congress. As you mentioned, I lost 60 -40 in the primary to Mike Bishop. And then I ran in 2016 for State Board of Education and won, was the top vote getter.

And Nikki Snyder, the other Republican, she won that year as well. So she and I sit on it, on the board. There's six Democrats. We have eight-year terms. And so every two years, there's two people up and there's two Democrats up this coming November.

I'm a CPA. I trade. I own a couple CPA firms, a statewide one and a national one, and do well with that. And so that's kind of, I've married and divorced, not my choice, but back many years ago. And I have 32 grandkids, a fourth on the way.

And I remarried and I'm resilient. I met her online. Christiancafe .com. She was in Brazil. And we have two children, 15 and a 12-year-old. Awesome.

Very nice. So can you help me with my stock trading taxes, by any chance, by wash sales?

Yeah, no, actually, I'm not a tax guy. I don't know taxes well. I pay a CPA to do mine. Right. So very cool. So, Tom, what got me thinking about you again was some resolutions that were coming to your board.

And I know we communicated back and forth. And thank you for that information, confirming some things, stuff like that. It's always good to go right to the source of the people dealing with it instead of trusting what you read or see online.

And then what you can't get to what you can't get to on the CDC website tonight, trying to get some extra info for this. And it's like pulling teeth. Like, just give me the information.

What? A government website was hard to use? I thought they did everything perfectly and efficiently. It's just crazy. Oh, man. Sorry, I cut you off. I'm sorry. No, you're good. But so can you give us a little update on the maybe just for the past year on the Michigan Board of Education, some of the resolutions that you've seen in this pandemic and what you foresee going forward?

I know that I have groups down here. I'm sure you're aware of it. You have parents. You have moms. You have unmasked groups. You have, hey, we need to know what's in the curriculum groups. I mean, we're really seeing an uprising in the public school sphere right now.

And you're kind of at the I wouldn't say the legislative top of that, but you guys kind of set the tone. Maybe explain exactly what the Michigan Board of Education does and kind of what you guys have been discussing and considering over the last six months to a year.

Sure. Yeah. I mean, we our main goal, our main job is to hire and fire the state superintendent who then oversees all hundreds of Michigan Department of Education. We all that's one of them. The other one is we pass standards.

And so I've been trying to fight against even the common core back many years ago and still do that. But standards that come up, whether I mean, we just passed standards on preparation of middle school and high school science teachers last month.

So we pass those kind of standards and also educational standards for the students and what's taught. Big fight over social studies a couple of years ago that I lost. And so there's very little mention of anything bad that came out of any communist regime or fascist regime, of course.

But we've had some resolutions now. These resolutions don't have any particular power, but they do kind of send a signal sometimes. So I've been fighting CRT and the six billion dollars that we got from the state or from the feds that was for the virus relief.

I guess you can't say the word. And so and how that was going to be spent. And the governor put together a commission or committee, and the head of it came before us. And I was really going after him because part of it was talking about had CRT links and kind of things that was kind of encouraging CRT pretty heavily.

And so I thought have been fighting that or exposing it. I mean, when you're in the minority to six, you really try to expose. And, you know, and so I've been doing that. We had resolution recently on universal masking and also universal vaccine.

And surprisingly, two of the Democrats flipped and voted against it. The Dems were brought it for us. So it ended up failing. And I think two of them are a little bit more astute politically. The others are more I shouldn't say the others, but I think there's a progressive strain that really tries to push at no cost, you know, whatever the cost.

And I think a couple of the others were a little bit more practical, you know, and the same thing with Whitmer. There's a reason why she's not pushing for a statewide mask mandate or wasn't for many months.

It's to the chagrin of some of the left, the hard left. So it's because the election is coming up. I mean, we know it's all politics, these decisions. There's no science behind any of it. So, yeah, I mean, those are some of the things we've got.

We're at the annual evaluation for the state superintendent this coming month. And, you know, Nikki and I, we certainly have problems with them. He's not he certainly was hired by the Democrats, and he certainly is performing as they would want.

Yeah. And for those listening to you'll hear Tom referred to, you know, Democrats and Republican and things like that. And I know I just want to let you know, and the listeners, he's not as he's you're referring to that, I would think, because it is a party system up there, right?

You do have two parties. But I don't know if that's necessarily we're pointing fingers at one party. I think we're pointing fingers at ideology, whether it's progressive, leftist, liberalism, Democrat.

I work with the Democrats regularly or in the past on kind of reducing high stakes testing on things that's kind of unusual for a Republican to get involved with. But no, I, you know, and I worked with Democrats when I was in the legislature on, you know, the ACLU.

I got kind of beat up in my congressional primary. But, you know, I worked with the ACLU on issues that, you know, on SWAT raids, you know, transparency and indigent defense reform and, you know, criminal justice reform things.

So, you know, civil civil asset forfeiture. So, yeah, I work with Democrats quite a bit. It's just that, you know, it comes down. There's a lot of party line votes. You know, they got to toe the line or they don't get renominated.

Yeah, definitely. I had a I had a made up conspiracy that I came up with last month or the month before, and I just want to share it with you guys and see what you think. But OK. OK, so check this out.

So exactly what you just said, Tom. I said back in December, November, I was like, look, everybody, you know, at the at the family function during the holidays. I was like, look, within the next three months, the virus is going to be dwindling down.

Cases are going to go away and everything's going to go back to normal. And then everything's going to be smoothed out. The the the stock market is going to start going up around May or June. And then and then, you know, by the time November shows up, everybody's going to forget everything that happened in 2020, 2021.

And, you know, and, you know, the progressive left is going to look like, you know, they they they yeah, like they just came up with the perfect answer and everything, and then they're going to get voted back in.

So what what did you guys take on what's going to happen within the next ten months?

So that is conspiracy. I would say that's conspiracy very quickly. I love how you call it conspiracy. Tom and I call that politics. OK, OK. It's reality, right? So what do you think, Tom? Are we going to see?

I mean, we're already kind of calling it right now, because he said on this podcast, he goes, don't worry, guys, stock market's coming back in the spring. COVID is going to be gone. We're going to be talking about climate change.

You said, OK, and it's already trending that way. Yeah, yeah, exactly.

Yeah, I don't know. But inflation, unemployment, and there's some things that they can't manipulate too well or people, the general people know. And I also think that the you know, they want to be able to manipulate the votes or at least, you know, get the mail in and the drop boxes and the things that, you know, getting the vote, the ballot out of the hands of the clerks and into the hands of, you know, the community organizers.

So they want to do that. So, you know, there's going to be a dance here. They're going to maybe they'll ramp it up just before, you know, the ballots are supposed to go out so that they can do some more manipulation of handling of the ballots.

But yeah, I mean, you know, and also we knew that this virus was going to continue to go to where it's more of a cold. You know, I mean, I don't know how quickly. I mean, it's still it's still a thing.

But yeah, for sure. You know, the latest the latest version or whatever it is, strain is not all that bad at all. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

We we down here. I'm sure you already know my my I'll just tell you my stepdaughter, Aubrey. She just got the mask mandate dropped at her junior high school here in Bedford. Yep. And and last week, right?

That was last week. And, you know, the the the stuff that we were seeing through just I don't know, just through data. And I don't want to be a nerd here and nerd it out of you. All the all the stuff that I've I've seen over the past, you know, a few months or whatever.

But, you know, the PTSD, the you know, the things that these kids are going through for not being able to see facial recognition of, you know, if somebody's happy, if somebody's sad, you know, or what are there's so many things, you know, that that we're hearing about.

How are you guys kind of navigating? And I know this is a broad question. I'm not going to bring it home with like what the question is. Forgive me. But like, how do you guys really navigate through all of that with a mask mandate?

And if you're going to implement it again or, you know, take it away and keep it away or like how how does that actually how do you actually say, look, everybody has to have a mask on, you know, like like how does all of that work in the government.

House? Yeah. What's going on with those people in that room? We want to know what's up. Yeah. Yeah. They're making some recommendations, you know, like what?

Like, I mean, I'm sure it's got to be extremely tough.

Yeah. So you're asking how, you know, how do we navigate? Yeah.

How do you navigate? Just like, OK, we're going to make everybody wear a mask or we're going to take this mask mandate away. Like what? Like what? What's the factors? You know, like are there people yelling at you guys and running you down in the streets being like, let me it's funny.

If you watch the last few state board meetings, we were remote for quite a while, but we started going in person a few months ago. And Nikki Schneider and I, the two Republicans are the only two without masks in the whole room.

I mean, everybody else has a mask. And, you know, they they just want, you know, so I I, you know, I think that we certainly fight it. I mean, if somebody, you know, it gets into where if it's our livelihood or I know that people feel like they don't have options with education, but yeah, I mean, it's it's a battle worth fighting.

And I've had superintendents say, you know, I mean, now that the the counties are the ones making the decision, which is still really bad, obviously. But yeah, I mean, you know, there are plenty of counties that that said no.

And I guess, you know, the virus kind of skipped over that county line. Yeah, right.

So I guess the whole states and to put a to put a finer point.

On your question, because I'm interested when I look at the data, OK, and I'm not a, you know, I'm not a nerd, I'm not a doctor, I'm not a, you know, a biologist, all these things. But I can read data and I can look at charts and I can look at personal experience and all those things.

I see something that probably does not warrant masking children for eight to ten hours a day. I guess to Jason's point, when you have eight of you sitting in a room or at maybe before a meeting or during a meeting or when you talk to your colleagues without giving specific names, what is driving?

Do you think not only the people you work with on the State Board of Education, but also maybe in the legislature or in school districts? What is driving? And I'll just say it, it feels like almost like a psychosis of supporting something that just isn't supported by the facts.

We know masks don't work. Anyone with a brain has been saying that for two years. Of course, the CDC just flipped on that. But I mean, especially in children, it's a what, point 0004 chance of them even catching it.

Like, what do you think it is that's saying mask, mask, mask, mask when all the data points point against that?

Well, I mean, I don't know. I mean, I think it's been discussed a lot. You know, it's the media. I mean, I think what they read there, I think most of them are genuinely convinced. I think some of them want to do their part.

You know, it's like they, you know, and it's ridiculous. They feel like, but yeah, I mean, they're shaming. There's, you know, peer pressure. I don't know. It's all of that, Greg. I, it's disturbing. I mean, I think there are people that really were interested in knowing how far they could push it, how far, how authoritarian could government get, and then they stopped and pushed, you know, and let, let back.

I think we're, it's not the last time we've seen this. I think they're taking notes and realizing what worked and what didn't, and they're going to, you know, push for control again. I think it's really authoritarian.

It's not, I mean, the numbers and, you know, they, they wouldn't give out the scientific data here in Michigan. The governor refused to give out what, what she's basing any of her decisions on, no data.

You know, I mean, and, and I mean, there was just a, and there was never a, once we hit this, I'll, I'll reduce things. And, you know, it just, it's it was political. I mean, I think we've seen that certainly it's political.

Parents’ Rights and the Biblical Role of Schools

Okay. Let me shift gears here a little bit as we're winding this down. So in the last news segment, we, we played about that transition closet. We're seeing kind of school principals and teachers usurping the authority of parents in your opinion, as someone who is on the state board of education and also a legis, you know, you made legislation for six years at the state level.

What is the role of principals, teachers, superintendents versus parents? Does one serve the other? Does one not have a right to say, is it? Cause I've heard it on both sides. Hey, look at you pay your taxes, keep your mouth shut.

Our job is to educate. Your job is to drop them off and give them food when they get home after school. And on the other side of that, you see, no, Hey, I'm a parent. I have a right. I pay, you know, your, your salary, essentially, if I'm a taxpayer, where do you, where do you land on that?

Well, I mean, the state law section 380 .10 Michigan law is the natural fundamental right of parents and legal guardians to determine and direct the care, teaching, and education of their children. So, I mean, it, you know, it is a, you know, they, they should be able to do, you know, to direct just like it says the teaching of their children.

So they should have, you know, the school should be able to accommodate and to listen to parents and really, really do what they, what the parents think. I mean, they're, you know, I guess there has to be some order, but you know, the fact that there's not much choice so that, you know, it would be nice if they had, you know, if this school did what the parents said, or else the parents could have another option.

And some, you know, we know they do, they have homeschooling and some private schooling, but if there were some other, you know, paid for public options that were more readily accessible, I think you would, I, when you see, when you have those situations, they, the schools tend to be more caring with the parents thing.

So, yeah, I mean, I think that they, the schools really need to be, you know, doing what parents can as much as possible or what they want, what the parents want in there.

Yeah, it's been incredible to see some of these, these meetings with the superintendents and the school boards where parents will show up extremely angry, asking why a certain book is in their library, why these kids are getting their hands on things at such an early age, being taught things at such an early age.