What If Trump Wins?

The Greatest Commandment and Loving God with All Our Being

When the scribes and Pharisees asked our Lord about the greatest commandment, He replied, You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind, and with all your strength.

So, why do we hear some of today's most prominent pastors saying things like this?

It had everything to do with how we talk about the Bible, and specifically, or along with that, what we point to as the foundation of faith, which for most Christians, unfortunately, is the Bible.

We need to do better. We need to love God with all our hearts, and stand unashamedly on the rock of His Word. We need to love the Lord with all of our souls, and respond to the worldview issues of our day with the wisdom and discernment that comes only from Him.

We need to love the Lord with our minds, and understand the calling of God's people in every area of life in God's world. We need to love the Lord our God with all our strength, and face the work of building a life-giving, God-honoring culture.

Join us for 10 days at the Runner Academy for Cultural Leadership, as we consider how the gospel influences all of life and culture, and the role that we have to play in applying foundational Christian thinking to every area of life.

Non-rockabotas must stop. I don't want to rock the boat. I want to sink it!

Are you going to bark all day, little doggy, or are you going to bite? We're being delusional.

Yeah, I love to get delusional. Delusional is okay in your worldview. I'm an animal. You don't chastise chickens for being delusional. You don't chastise pigs for being delusional. So you calling me delusional using your worldview is perfectly okay.

It doesn't really hurt.

She hung up on me!

Desperate times call for faithful men and not for careful men. The careful men come later and write the biographies of the faithful men, lauding them for their courage.

Go into all the world and make disciples. Not go into the world and make buddies. Not to make brosives. Right. Don't go in the world and make homies. Right. Disciples.

I got a bit of a jiggle neck. That's a joke, pastor.

When we have the real message of truth, we cannot let somebody say they're speaking truth when they're not.

I will tell of the decree the Lord said to me. You are my son. Today I have begotten you. Ask of me and I will make the nations your heritage and the ends of the earth your possession. You shall break them with a rod of iron and dash them in pieces like a potter's vessel.

Now therefore, O kings, be wise. Be warned, O rulers of the earth. Serve the Lord with fear and rejoice with trembling. Kiss the son lest he be angry and you perish in the way for his wrath is quickly kindled.

Blessed are all who take refuge in him. What's up, everybody? Welcome back. Hot dog. That's exactly right. That's. I love that. I love that in light of elections.

Hot dog.

Hot dog.

Great balls of fire. Would that have been better?

That's that'll work too. This is the gospel heard around the world, everybody. Well, I didn't mean to do that.

This is going to be a really silly show.

It is. I'm tired.

Well, and we scrambling a bit.

I'm tired.

True.

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You must get Bonson U. You will be blessed by it, I assure you. And so I want to thank everybody for watching today. You saw the title of the show, What If Trump Wins. Interesting because 2016, when this whole thing was going down between Trump and Hillary, we had a really fun year, a really fun year on Apologia Radio.

And I'm, I gotta tell you, I gotta tell you, I am so looking forward to this year to be able to interact with the current events and the news, the election and all the election issues. It's just gonna be, I think we're, I'm thinking we're, Methinks we're in for a wild ride.

Methinks.

I think we're in for a wild ride. It's already been a wild ride.

The answer is yes.

But I think it's gonna be a wilder ride than 2016. And so we want to talk about it. We want to talk about what if Trump wins, what if Trump doesn't win. How do we respond to what's going on around us as Christians?

Do we just go into Christless conservatism and firm up our commitments to the GOP and the Republican Party and all that mess? Or do, is there a better way? Is there a better way, a way that is more faithful, more fidelity to Christ and to scripture?

That's what we're gonna do. So we're gonna play some clips, I think. We're gonna go through some of the things that have changed in terms of Trump's position on some issues. And we're gonna talk about what's going on.

We're gonna do it from Christian worldview and in light of Psalm 2, what I just read. Ask of me, I'll give you the nations for your inheritance, the very ends of the earth for your possession. We are so glad you joined us.

That's Luke the Bear.

What up? Hey, apparently, sorry, it's our internet's not cooperating today or something. So people are saying it's choppy, and I got it spinning on my end. So I don't know what's going on.

Oh no, oh no.

Thanks for bearing with us.

Yeah, bear with us, guys.

Just rewind a little bit and let it load. I don't know what's going on. Anyway, sorry.

Yeah, raise your hand in the air and then do this.

Literally, today's nothing has gone as planned.

Yes, that is true.

Yes, yeah. We actually had a show all prepared for you guys on Elon Musk saying Christianity is what's necessary for the salvation, essentially, of the West. It's necessary if we lose Christianity, you know, it's an awful thing.

And we're supposed to have our guest Zuby on today. He got caught in traffic, so we're gonna get him hopefully next week. And anyway, so we are excited. We've been wanting to talk about this stuff anyways, and it's gonna be part of what we talk about.

I'm Jeff the Call Me a Ninja, and that is Zach Conover, Director of Communications for EAN.

What's up, everyone?

Hey, everyone, just to get everyone into praying and participating with us in what's coming up over the next year, just wanted to give you guys a heads up. We had been telling you all we had 18 prospective states with bills of abolition and equal protection going in across the country, all the way from Iowa, Indiana, Texas, Arizona, Louisiana, Georgia, Pennsylvania.

I mean, it really is happening across the country. Some of those bills are our bills. We've been able to talk to the legislators and get them in. Some of our bills of our friends and people we highly respect.

Their bills we're backing them up on. But at the time, we'd been telling you it was 18. Now we learned it is 21. And so please be in prayer, because that is a huge thing to bite off. And it's not just us.

This isn't our thing. We are partners with Christians across this country to make this happen. And so we need you to join with us in this. It's happening so many places that we cannot do this on our own.

And this small number of people who have gotten these bills in across the country, they can't do it on their own. Yeah, we all need each other. We need each other. And so please participate. You're like, I want to know how I can be involved.

We need you. First, go to endabortionnow .com. Sign up there. Get your church signed up. Stay connected with us. And of course, please financially give. We need help. Pulling off 21 states with a crew as small as ours, with a budget as small as ours is very, very difficult.

Some would say impossible, but God. So we need that financial support. But we also need your hands and feet. And so we'd love you to be a part of this with us. So please join us. We just had a meeting yesterday with pastors from across Arizona.

Phenomenal. And very good. Very good meeting. Pastors across Arizona. Kosti Hinn is one of those pastors. Very grateful to have him on board with us and serving in this area as well. We got a bill coming here in Arizona.

Our own state as well. And so it's happening, everybody. And we need you. We need the church. Pastors, if you're watching this right now, we need you. If you're like, well, I wonder if I can help. The answer is yes and amen.

Please help us. So we're going to get into the show. But before we do, I talk about it a lot. Man, it's been so great. I got my kid back in and I'm doing my loading cycle right now with it. And the last two days, one of the benefits of NAD, and it's one of the things that Ben Greenfield, my friend Ben Greenfield mentioned to Joe Rogan on that podcast, was that NAD is really, really good if you've been sleep deprived.

And I have felt that.

You haven't been sleep deprived lately, have you?

My goodness gracious, have I ever. I'm so sleep deprived right this very minute. But I haven't put my NAD patch on yet. Anyway, the last two days I put the patch on, I felt like so alive and vibrant and good.

Still like you're like mentally, you know, you're like, I clearly haven't slept. But like, I just felt like yesterday, even near the end of the day, I was like, man, I feel like good and energized and alive and focused.

And so it's been really helpful. So I do this because it is awesome. Do your research on benefits of NAD and you'll see exactly what I'm talking about. So I've researched it for years. You guys, I've said it before.

I was so scared to start doing it because all I knew about was the IV treatment version of it. And that's like super painful. It's just very difficult to get through. And I played a clip of that recently with Ben Greenfield on Joe Rogan talking about it.

Anyway, so I have this here. I got to put it on. And this is the NAD kit you get from ionlayer .com. And so I brought it because I need to wear it. And I'm doing my loading cycle with it right now.

Do you need a knife to open that?

Would you like a knife? Would you like a knife?

We're going to have a very nice knife from Hantec.

Would you like a knife made from a Navy SEAL? DEVGRU SEAL 26? Because that's what those are and they're amazing.

It's on the cutting edge.

That's right.

Ah, there you go.

Anyway, so I wanted to show it to you because many guys have been asking questions about it. So this is the kit you'll get. You get like five NAD treatments. Again, the cost for these is like substantially lower than the IV treatment.

So I like that too. And you actually get more NAD and it's fresher because you're mixing it on the spot. So while we're talking, while we're chatting, I'm just going to put it together. You know, you guys are just hanging out with us in the studio.

You're just going to see me sort of putting the thing together. So what you do is you get...

I know this new way they wrapped it, it's... They wrapped it.

Yeah.

Make sure it doesn't get broken.

You have to like...

You almost need an Amtac knife.

So that...

We really do.

That's a...

The serrated one.

Look at all that juicy NAD. It's delicious.

Have you eaten it?

No, I haven't.

Just open it up.

I wonder what would happen if he did.

Open it up and...

It changes the whole thing.

You're just like...

It's like that movie where he takes that pill, the limitless pill.

Yeah, right.

I'm not tired anymore.

So this is the NAD. This stuff is very expensive. Like I said, if you get through IV. And usually it's pre-mixed. And so by the time you get it, there's some degrading of it. But you mix it on the spot when you get it.

And so there's... You get a little vial of the NAD so you can mix it fresh. You get this little thing right here. So this will keep the patch on you and also keep it from getting wet.

It looks like this.

Yeah, it looks exactly like that. Luke's impressed that I'm able to put it on by myself. He's like, I need to have my wifey.

The base is easy. But getting that cover on there is where it gets tricky.

And this is the solution you mix into the NAD. And let's see here.

What else? What else?

Okay, I'm just showing you how simple this is. And you get the... You get one of these. That's the actual medical patch thing.

With batteries.

Yeah, it's for the skin. It actually has got a battery in it. And it basically gets the NAD into your system through your skin over like 14 hours throughout the day. And so yeah, this is the kit. This is what it looks like.

You get all this stuff. And let me make sure I got everything in there.

Yes.

And boom. So that's it. Put that away. And then as we're chatting here, you're going to be putting it together and putting it on. And so you'll see how easy it is. And if you guys want to get on that, you know...

Get on the NAD train.

People start their new year exercising, getting well. And one of the things I want to say is one of the things that has had me focused on this is that I'm starting Durban 2 .0 with my family. So my wife and I got married young.

We just had our 25th wedding anniversary yesterday.

Quarter century.

Quarter of a century. We've been married to each other more than half our lives. And we got married young. And so we had four biological children. And I got two grown out of the house. I got five grandbabies.

Kids, they're married now. I got one getting married in March. Luke's marrying with Zach. Marrying my daughter and her fiance.

My third.

That's right. That's right. And my youngest biological child is 15. And so he's, you know, they're grown. Then all of a sudden the Lord drops adopted children into our laps. And so I've got now a four-year-old and now two preemie twins.

So I've been thinking a lot about as a Christian. And, you know, this is a great conversation. This is a really good conversation. Let's do this. Actually, because we've talked about those before. I've been thinking a lot about like taking care of my body and making sure that I'm well for my kids.

Right, right. So like if I'm starting Durban 2 .0, like I've got preemies now and I'm 45 years old, I need to be good. I need to be well for them. And one of the things that is, it was a powerful thing to read.

I was reading the accounts of the missionaries that were like coming to Hawaii. And some of the stuff that they're sending church and organizations were saying to them. And just as Puritans in general too, like as we're sending missionaries out, they of course would always instruct their missionaries and planting pastors like you need to be in the word and you need to be spiritually well.

Like you need to be well and you need to be taking care of your family spiritually. But one of the things they also would tell them is that you need to daily, not only be in the word, but you need to be about physical exercise.

Because if you're not physically well, you're not gonna be able to care for your church. And so you can't let yourself physically go because this is too much work and you can't let yourself fall by the wayside.

And you need feet to take the gospel message.

That's right. And so I just thought it was so cool that the Puritans and missionaries, sending missionaries were like, you need to exercise and be physically well daily. And so that was powerful. I love how they just thought about that comprehensively.

Holistically.

And so I've been thinking a lot about that lately. So just for me, it's my doing this and then sharing it with you guys is that my own thing is exercise, getting strong, physically well. I train in martial arts regularly.

The last two months have been hard because the preemies or three months, but just staying focused on that. And the NAD treatment is just a way to sort of get my body back to where it's working at its optimum levels.

And NAD is in your system. If you went out for 30 seconds, you would die. It's what your system uses in so many different functions in your system. So that's what I'm doing. All right. So let's get to it.

All right.

Trump.

Ready. Trump.

Trump.

All right. Let's talk for a second about Trump. When 2016 hit and Trump was running for president against Hillary, we took a lot of heat. And I mean, I can reflect back on, like we were just getting nailed.

By people who really loved us. The disagreement was so fiery.

It was a split within evangelicalism.

It really was. And look, we were just simply saying, look, I grew up with Trump like in the atmosphere and on the news.

As a businessman, as a personality. Yeah.

I was born in 78. I'm an 80s baby. Grown through the 80s, you know, and seen him on the news all the time throughout the 90s. And I saw he was like this leftist businessman. He was like

Even at home alone.

Yeah, he was pro-choice. He's this New Yorker. And so now all of a sudden, he comes out as conservative and he's standing for conservative things. I was a little suspicious.

Yeah.

I think so many of us were suspicious.

Same.

And I was worried, like, well, are we being played? And has there been enough time to say this man really believes these things? And so there was this viral thing that happened. It was with Steve Camp, where we had Steve Camp on.

And we just wanted to engage the issue.

Oh my gosh, I forgot about that.

Remember that?

That was

We wanted to engage the issue.

Awkward shows.

Steve Camp, contemporary Christian music singer kind of guy, popular in evangelical circles. He was all about Trump. And we were in a place where we were very skeptical. Like, well, I don't know. Can we support a guy that does this and this and this?

And it went so south so fast. I don't know if that clip is on the internet anymore, but let me just say, I'd like it to disappear and go away. For Steve and our sake, it was just like, it just went so south.

And I was like, I didn't have to happen like this. And anyway, so 2016 was a rough moment for us. But I will say, of course, I grant. I'm thankful. I'm thankful for many of the things that Trump did. I like someone who punches back and resists.

I like the fact that Let me tell you what I like about Trump. I like the fact that Trump will call you out and he will take the floor out from underneath you and he will say what all of us wish we could say in those positions.

But you'll even have strong conservative leaders that won't say what needs to be said at times and won't punch back. And I like the fact that Trump will just punch back. He doesn't care. He doesn't need your money.

I like the fact that he didn't take a paycheck. I like the fact that he operated

Completely self-funded.

As a president in the United States of America, he never took a paycheck. And that says a lot about his commitments. It really, really does.

And to your point, he's a lot of things. But he's not weak.

That's right.

He's not weak.

He began to grow on me. And he began to grow on me. Now, hold on now before you take

Like a pit bull? Yeah.

Before you take that too far, I am not giving a pass to the shakiness of his character at times. I'm not giving a pass to the abusive ways that he handles people at times. What I am saying is I admire a courageous leader that will say what needs to be said when it needs to be said.

I admire that. We've lacked that for so, so long. So I like that. I was very excited early on. And I'll be honest, at first I was so skeptical. I'm like, can we really do this as Christians? Vote for a guy like this.

And then I started seeing him talking about the issue of abortion. And he bit down. All right, human from fertilization. All right, we've got to protect those human beings.

Took it to its end.

And he took it to its logical conclusion. Alive, and you're going to see that at the minute here, on a news report. He was like, well, yeah, there would have to be some punishment for a woman taking the life of her child.

And I was like, whoa, look at that consistency.

Pro-life establishment was like, whoa.

That came from the guy that I was suspicious of.

Right.

And I was just like, I'm having a really challenging time managing this in my own head.

Wait a minute.

Because, yeah, he was saying things that the establishment wouldn't say. And then the establishment comes in and they're like, whoa, hold your horses there. Hold your horses there, Orange. We said at the same time, hold your horses there, Orange.

We don't really believe they deserve to be equally protected. We don't really believe that. We're not there. So there was the sort of like waffling in the back and forth. But I was excited. I was like, yeah, that's pretty good.

I love the fact that he says what Christians should be saying in terms of war. That we ought not go to war in an unjustified manner. And then we should not be trying to police the world and start wars.

We should really get our troops home. We have our troops out and we're spending tons of money of taxpayers dollars on wars that we should never have been involved in. According to a biblical worldview and just war theory, there are wars that we should not have participated in.

And I like the fact that he was like, look, he brags about the fact that I didn't start any new wars. I was trying to get everyone home. I wish more Christian politicians would talk like that. Because that's what we should be doing.

I was all for like, I'm thinking like Ron DeSantis. DeSantis, DeSantis, DeSantis.

Speaking of Ron, he just dropped out of his campaign.

He did.

Did he?

And he endorsed Trump.

Right.

And he endorsed Trump.

There you go.

And then Trump officially said, I will no longer call him a desanctimonious.

Yeah.

There's a little bit of a peace treaty going on there. But I mean, you got to think that he's dropping out to make room for Trump because he sees him as the most favored to.

Maybe he'll run as vice president.

That would be.

That would be really cool. Ron Paul.

I don't think they could get along.

Ron Paul was the guy that was always saying, end the Fed, shut down income tax. And he was saying, pull all of our troops home. Get us out of all these unjustified wars. These wars we don't belong in.

And I'm just like, Ron Paul, Ron Paul, Ron Paul.

Cost us money.

I know. But I was like, oh, that's nice. Trump's there too. And I really appreciate that. And people were busting his chops that he went and tried to make peace with Russia and China and North Korea. And I'm like, isn't that what we're supposed to be doing?

We want to be at war with the world. You can have a position of strength without trying to bully the world or put everyone under your boot. It's kind of a nice thing to try to make peace. Blessed are the peacemakers.

Someone said that.

And North Korea too.

So I was like, I was really thankful. I was like, these are good things. And I'm not saying we give China and North Korea a pass when they're wicked and sinful. I'm not even saying that. I'm saying for a leader to say with strength, we'll hurt you if you hurt us, but let's talk.

Let's not be at war with each other. Let's be at peace. And so many people are upset. You know, he tried to create a relationship with Putin or whatever. It's like, yeah, that's because that's what a faithful leader does, I think, is they try to make peace with the world and not go to war with the world.

We're supposed to be Christians, peacemakers. Now, look, we are not, clearly, if you look at our history, we're not pacifists. We all have guns right now in this room. And we're all about self-defense and the Second Amendment.

We're not pacifists, but we're supposed to be peacemakers. And so we should say, hey, that's a good leader. That's a good leader, someone who's leading with strength and says, don't mess with us or I'll hurt you and I'll hurt you instantly.

But let's talk. Let's make peace. Let's not be at war with each other.

I'm like, I think other leaders, other leaders obviously respected that too. The fact that he wasn't weak, that he was also wanting to build that bridge in a sense of peaceful relations. I very much doubt that the other nations external to the United States right now are looking from the outside in at the man who currently occupies that residency with respect.

Resident Biden?

Yeah, no one respects him. He has no strength. He's not even coherent. He can't find his way off the stage. He's clearly not the person running the country, not in his condition.

I don't know a lot, but I know that much. Whoever's in charge, it's not him.

That's right. And so it's going to be an interesting year. I mean, everyone knows, look, Biden still says that he is running. Which I think is amazing.

What hatred from his family and those around him? Just absolute hatred.

Power hungry people is what it is.

Yeah, that's true. You take a man who is in his condition, who needs so much help and assistance, and you're just going to encourage him to keep going. I'm sure this looks weird right now. But yeah, you put just the right amount in there.

But yeah, but he says he's still running. And so you've got Trump winning now, like Iowa. He just won New Hampshire. DeSantis pulled out of the race. And yeah, it's looking like it's going to be Trump that gets the nomination.

And so it'll be Trump versus Biden again. And I think we should talk about it as Christians and say, okay, what does that mean? And how do we really change things? Maybe this will launch us into the larger discussion.

I'm going to play this clip. This is, forgive me, it's from CNN, but they did pull together. They did pull together a rather good montage of the change. And this just goes to show in terms of like, well, do you approach this with a Christless conservatism and save America?

Because I'll say it this way. And I think we did talk about this last week. We were at January 6th. We weren't in the Capitol. We condemned what happened there. I got to always say that because when the FBI called me.

You follow that up real fast.

I know they follow us. And I'm like, you got to look at our content. We condemned it.

Wait, you clearly are a Christian nationalist because you were there on January 6th.

January 6th, we wanted to be on the ground to provide some Christian media coverage as it was going on there. But, you know, I told you last week that I really, really struggled. I was like, I wanted to throw up in my mouth as to like the landscape.

You had like, I think I remember some kind of juxtaposition of Donald Trump and Jesus on the cross. And it was gross, gross, gross. And it was all of this conflating of Jesus and Trump. And it was like.

Sending the message that he is the savior of America.

Yeah.

And then there was other ones that was like, oh, it was like Trump being held like a baby in Jesus's arms kind of a thing. And it was just like, oh, this is so gross. And I defy anybody to demonstrate that as a faithful Christian position on this issue.

And so, you know, I struggle with that. And I think we all share that idolatrous nature and that Christless conservatism that.

Cult of personality.

Yeah, cult of personality. Puts the salvation of America into the hands of like, it's in the hands of Donald Trump. No, it's in the hands of Jesus. And it's in the hands of his church in many ways. And the faithful proclamation, prophetic proclamation of his word.

But, you know, I think we need to talk about like, where do we go from here? Whether Trump wins or loses. What do we do as Christians to actually do what scripture tells us to do to see the world be transformed?

I'm not saying, and I want this to be really clear. I'm not saying that between Biden and Trump, I don't want Trump to win. I want him to win. Because I think that it gives us a space. What did you say a few minutes ago?

Like a window? Or no, it was Isaacson. It gives us.

Room to work.