April 21, 2021 Show with Jonathan Hill on “The Abolish Abortion Rally at the South Carolina State House”
April 21, 2021
South Carolina State Representative JONATHAN HILL, who will address:
“The ABOLISH ABORTION RALLY at the SOUTH CAROLINA STATE HOUSE”
Transcript
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And I am thrilled to have on the program for the very first time ever on Iron Sharpens Iron Radio,
South Carolina State Representative Jonathan Hill.
And today we are going to be addressing the Abolish Abortion Rally at the South
Carolina State House, which is being held next week.
And it's my honor and privilege to welcome you for the very first time ever to Iron Sharpens Iron Radio, Jonathan Hill.
Thank you, Chris, for having me.
I'm excited to be here.
I'm excited to have you on.
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Please give us your first name, at least your city and state of residence and your country of residence.
If you live outside the USA, please only remain anonymous if your question involves a personal
and private matter.
Let's say you have had an abortion or your daughter has had an abortion or
some close family member or friend has had an abortion.
Whatever the case may be that would compel you to remain anonymous, we would understand over
personal and private matters.
But if it's just a general question about this horrible sin that
continues to stain the United States of America and actually the world,
infanticide, if it's just a general question about that or a political question,
please give us at least your first name, city and state, and country of residence.
Well, first of all, Jonathan, how long have you been a
South Carolina state representative?
Yeah, well, I've been involved in politics since 2008.
And tell us exactly what the duties and responsibilities of being
a state representative are, a general description of your day -to -day activities and the most
important functions that are part of your role there.
Right, right.
Well,
since
you
are a
born -again
believer in
Jesus
Christ, a
Bible
-believing Christian,.
We have a tradition here on this program, when we have a first -time guest, that they give a summary of their
salvation testimony, including the kind of religious atmosphere, if any, that you were raised in,
and what kind of providential circumstances our Sovereign Lord raised up in your life that drew you to
himself and ultimately saved you.
Yeah, yeah,
I mean, pretty much.
Yeah, I know the feeling.
Speaking and chastening by the Lord.
Well, it is always a joy to hear of someone that is truly
a legitimate, regenerate, born -again, Bible -believing Christian in
political office.
Obviously, there are many, if not multitudes, who are
no doubt giving a false profession, even some that are very
conservative in many areas of their platforms and so on.
But then eventually they wind up saying and doing things that reveal that they really don't know the
Scriptures, and it is doubtful that they know God.
But it is such a refreshing blessing to hear about someone like
you and your reputation of being a state representative.
Well, you know, Chris, Jesus said you'll know them by their fruits.
Amen.
Amen.
And I have the privilege of knowing and having had the privilege to interview
a former Pennsylvania state representative, Stephen Bloom, who is certainly
and unquestionably a very strong and truly regenerate Bible -believing brother in Christ.
And I'm saddened that he is no longer a state representative, but I'm sure that the Lord
has a lot of amazing things in store for his future due to his own gifts
and zeal and passion for the Word of God and for truth.
Yeah, that sounds like somebody I'd love to meet sometime.
Yeah.
Well, we have a listener, Ian, in Swansea, South Carolina.
Hi, Mr. Arnzen.
Thank you, as always, for your ministry.
Could Representative Hill please address the issue of fake pro -life -ism
in both conservative politics and in the mainstream pro -life movement?
Yes, I've been hearing more and more from those that are
zealously and diligently involved in grassroots
ministries to save the lives of unborn children that not
everyone who wears a title of a pro -life
Christian or conservative or says that they are passionately involved in the
pro -life movement is actually laboring in
a methodology or with a methodology that is actually going to
bring about the abolishing of infanticide.
I'm not saying that this is a conscious thing with many of them, but perhaps most of them, it is
an unconscious thing.
But if you could tell us about your understanding of this, as Ian called it,
fake pro -life -ism.
Right, yeah.
Well,
you
know,
we
won
life
in
South
Africa
even
before.
Key fundamental difference there.
It would be totally hypocritical and illogical if those who believe
in abortion, or should I say the murder of an unborn child, due to
rape and incest, if they are going to be logically consistent
in believing that that is indeed human life, that it is indeed a child, then they
would have to believe that it would be acceptable for a young mother who gives birth
to a baby after being raped or being the victim of incest to throw that baby in a dumpster
or to have a child that's even more developed and older murdered.
Because it is still a human being in both scenarios.
Yes.
Even so -called pro -life people often distinguish
and contrast life before birth and
life after birth.
And this is really illegitimate, isn't it?
That's right.
Wow.
And we
have to go
to our
first station
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We are now back with our guest today, Jonathan Hill.
He is South Carolina State Representative, and we are addressing the Abolish Abortion Rally at the South
Carolina State House.
And tell us exactly all the details our listeners need to know about this rally.
Yeah, so good and coming.
We'll repeat that information later on in the program, and we hope that you have a wonderful
turnout.
We have a listener, and he's already going to start some trouble here.
He's a faithful listener and generous financial supporter of Iron Sharpens Iron Radio,
Grady in Asheboro, North Carolina.
And Grady asks something that probably no politician really wants to hear.
But he says, Greetings, brothers.
It's my understanding that some pro -life groups have signed agreements with some of the Roman Catholic pro
-lifers not to share the gospel.
I personally believe this is necessary because a change of heart, redemption through Christ, is the only
way to change a person's heart.
However, saying that we, the church, must also be willing to aid those that decide
on motherhood and fatherhood as Christians, willing to fulfill the Great Commission and to encourage and
provide even materially as they grow in the grace and knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ.
Do you agree with this?
That's kind of a tricky question.
Do you agree with this?
Well, you've mentioned a lot of things, Grady.
Obviously, this is a First Amendment issue of the Constitution, of the
fact that we have freedom of speech still in this country, at least now we do.
But if you could respond.
Yeah, yeah.
I'm
happy
to
address
that
we have
to
acknowledge
that
part
of the
conversation
for
Christians,
and it
should be
part of our
motivation
to be informed and educated enough to really address.
Yeah, and the way I would also respond to that is a lot of this
depends on how the Roman Catholics who are
involved in a particular pro -life demonstration are
making certain aberrant beliefs of theirs vocal or prominent in the
demonstration, and likewise, how the Protestants
are evangelizing them.
I think that if you have a certain mission to accomplish a certain goal,
you don't need to be confronting the Roman
Catholics involved, or anyone else involved for that matter, whether they be Orthodox Jews,
they may might even be atheists who are pro -life.
And I'm using that term in the sense of being committed to rescue
the lives of human beings, in this case, unborn children, or even
children born right after or during an abortion, who are being allowed to die
in storage closets and so on.
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during a specific gathering intended to be an anti
-abortion or abolish abortion event, holding up signs that say, stop praying the
rosary, or stop praying to Mary and saints, stop your idolatry.
That would, yeah, that would...
Right.
But to develop relationships and friendships...
And to make the message as well.
Yeah, but to develop friendships and relationships with the Catholics that you're having this co
-belligerent activity with, and share the gospel with them during those times
of interaction when you're involved in private socializing and so on, that
would be different.
I know that a very dear friend of mine, Dr. James R. White of Alpha Omega Ministries,
many years ago, I think it was back in the 80s, he was very actively involved in a
certain pro -life organization, and he voluntarily
disassociated himself with it because they actually told him that he could never be
a member in good standing of this group if he were to evangelize the Roman Catholics involved.
And obviously, that would be not only a violation of freedom of speech, but it'd be, even more importantly,
fearing men more than God.
Right.
And also inflating what is a very
serious crime and sinister act, the murder of unborn babies, but it
would be inflating it above and beyond the eternal matters
involving the gospel, which is not appropriate either.
Right.
And
I think
a
lot
of
it
has
to do with
being as
cunning
as
serpents
and
gentle
as
doves.
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Yeah.
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discussing abortion in general.
Before we return to that conversation, I have just a few very important announcements to make.
First of all, please mark your calendars for this Friday.
We have Dr. Conrad Mbewe returning to Iron Trip and Zion Radio as a guest.
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He's also on the faculty of the African Christian University.
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abortion or abolish abortion rally at the South Carolina State House, and your
questions obviously can be on abortion in general or even politics in general from a Christian
viewpoint.
Our email address again is chrisarnson at gmail .com.
Give us your first name, at least your city and state of residence and your country of residence.
We have Bobby in Hartsdale, New York.
Who has a question for you.
Bobby asks, are you familiar with the wonderful work that Pastor Jeff
Durbin and the Apologia Church of Phoenix, Arizona are doing to rescue the lives of unborn children?
You know, I am and it has...
Praise God.
Jeff is a dear friend and he's been a guest in this program.
And what a tireless, zealous, unwaveringly committed brother he
is to rescuing the life of the unborn.
And I could tell by everything you've said today that he is on the same exact page as you are
in your niche in the movement to
abolish abortion and politically as well.
So we are grateful for him and the Apologia Church and for their
documentaries largely due to Marcus Pittman, who was a member there, is now
a member of Christ Church in Moscow, Idaho.
Marcus Pittman.
Babies are murdered here.
So we want to thank them and thank you, Bobby, for the question.
We have John in Bangor, Maine, who wants to know
another way that there is a division amongst those who claim to be pro -life
is the view on how women who have their babies murdered should be
treated legally.
There are some who believe that there should be no penalty legally for a woman who commits such
a crime.
And there are others who believe that she should be treated just like every other murderer, according to the
circumstances, of course.
What is your view on this?
Well,
God's
law...
Sure.
In fact, I was going to say that even liberals,
most of the time, at least those that have a voice you hear in the media, and even
aggressive pro -abortionists have typically been extremely
opposed.
And I know it's illogical.
It's really hypocritical.
But they have been extremely opposed to hearing the stories of
young women giving birth in a bathroom or something, putting the baby in a shoebox and
throwing it in a dumpster.
Even those that are pro -abortion have been typically opposed to that.
Now, they really have no logical reason for that, in my opinion.
But I think that if we, as a society, rightly
prosecute a young woman for doing that, obviously, there should
be no difference if she is having an abortion.
Well,
and
our
laws
have,
in other
words,
lethal
injection.
In fact, when I see the rise of leftist
tyranny, the death penalty is actually making me nervous,
because of the fact that who knows where the left will bring this country in the areas of tyranny.
That's right, yeah.
And more now than ever, there are so many ways for...
And obviously, in such circumstances,
the women, maybe not women at all, it may be young girls who have been coerced or
forced by their parents.
Right.
To have the baby.
In South
Carolina, our
murder statutes have
a way out a
series
of aggravating
factors
in
this crime.
An anonymous listener who says, this is obviously
a response to our whole discussion on co -belligerence early, when we work
in the pro -life or the anti -abortion or the abolish abortion movement
with those of other religions.
This anonymous listener says, as explained in the resolution passed by
the American Council of Christian Churches, co -belligerence with followers of false
religions such as Roman Catholicism is unbiblical.
Please consider reading on air the concluding two sentences of this
resolution.
We desire righteousness in our land, but the ecumenical compromise which the doctrine of co
-belligerence requires ultimately undermines that righteousness by erasing fundamental
doctrinal distinctives between believers and unbelievers.
By God's grace, we determine to continue to have no part in that compromise.
I have a lot of heartfelt agreement with that sentiment, but at the same time,
I think things need to be defined because is it co
-belligerence to even vote for a non -Christian who happens to be in agreement
with all of your political views that a person running for office or in
political power has actually a role in either preserving or bringing
about, like for instance, if there was a consistently
conservative Roman Catholic running for office who agreed with me
on scriptural matters even more than an evangelical running for office, I would vote for the Roman
Catholic.
But if you could respond to what our guest has presented here.
Yeah, I mean, you and I are on the same page with that.
I
am
not
a
pastor.
I happen to have a very high regard for the American Council of Christian Churches.
I've been to at least one of their conferences and a local congregation here in
Carlisle, about 10 minutes from where I'm sitting.
Faith Chapel in Carlisle, Pennsylvania is a part of that organization.
But it doesn't mean that I absolutely 100 agree with every conclusion or
decision that they make.
They are a bit more fundamentalist than I am and more separatist, but at the same time I applaud much
of what they're doing.
But interestingly enough, they are also ecumenical,
not with those that deny the gospel, but there are both Reformed and Arminian
churches and pastors who are members of that organization.
Well, that's a very interesting thing to note.
Well, being a Reformed Baptist myself, that was one of the hallmarks of what we believe.
None of us are perfect.
It's called total depravity.
I don't know about you, Chris.
I'm a four -point Calvinist.
I believe I'm basically...
I'm assuming that's sarcasm.
Of course.
But thank you, Anonymous.
And if you are a first -time questioner, by the way, you have won a free
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We have another listener, B .B. in Cumberland County, Pennsylvania, who
wants to know, is your organization involved with actually helping
mothers take care of the babies that they give birth to after
being convinced not to have an abortion?
Are your members of your organization involved in actually
adopting these children on occasion?
And there is often an accusation by the left that we do not care about
babies after they're born.
And I know that that is just slanderous rhetoric, but I was just wondering what you and your
colleagues and constituents believe is the appropriate action to be
taking when babies are born and the mothers giving birth cannot take care of them?
I think that...
Talking about regarding adoption laws and things like that?
Not the laws themselves per se, but rather how...
Sure.
In fact, we can very excitedly talk about at least one instance
involving our mutual friend, Jeff Durbin, who adopted a baby that was
rescued from...
I can't remember now if the baby was actually rescued from an abortion or the mother who was pregnant and
knew she could not care for the baby just heard about the Ministry of Apology of
Church.
But either way, the baby that Jeff
and his wife adopted had
a spina bifida, stage four spina bifida.
And when the baby was being delivered and Jeff was in the
hospital, waiting to be able to take this baby home with
his wife, the baby, which is now named Augustine,
the doctors were in utter amazement when the baby was born.
When the baby came out of the womb, there was no sign at all of spina bifida.
They were absolutely certain, the doctors, that the baby had spina bifida and the
sonograms and so forth had proven this.
And miraculously, it seems, this baby was born completely normal and healthy and is now being
raised in the home of Jeff and Candy Durbin.
So if anybody wants to find out more about that whole story, go
to apologyochurch .com.
We're going to our final break right now.
It's going to be a lot more brief than the other breaks.
If you have a question, please send it in immediately before we run out of time.
ChrisOrenson at gmail .com.
We'll be right back after these messages.
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Welcome back, and we are talking about the Abolish Abortion
Rally at the South Carolina State House next week with South Carolina
State Representative Jonathan Hill.
And Jonathan, the last questioner, I believe, presumed or
assumed that you were part of an organization.
I know that you are the South Carolina State Representative, but is there actually an organization that you are a member
of that's involved in the rally?
So,
a joint
effort.
If you could
repeat
all
the
details
that
our listeners
need
to
know,
especially.
Those within driving distance to South Carolina or who
already live there, let our listeners know.
Absolutely,
and
advise
them.
Yes, I
actually
have
been
obviously.
Misspeaking.
I've been saying next week, but it's Tuesday, May 4th.
It is Tuesday, May 4th, yes.
Yes, I apologize for that error.
Tuesday, May 4th, folks.
Sorry for the constant repetition of this event being held next week.
And go to AbolishAbortionSC for SouthCarolina .com.
AbolishAbortionSC .com.
We have time for at least one more question from a listener.
We have Ronald in Eastern Suffolk County, Long Island, who asks, I don't know whether or not you are
post -millennial, but many people seem very pessimistic about this country ever
turning to the place where they believe as a whole that
abortion is murder and therefore that it will be outlawed in most or all states.
What is your view and what is your level of optimism?
Well,
I think
that my
level
of optimism,
but that's
why
we're
doing anything.
Amen.
We're out of time, brother, and I want to repeat your website.
It is AbolishAbortionSC .com.
AbolishAbortionSC .com.
Thank you so much for being such a superb guest.
Thank everybody who listened today, and especially those who took the time to write in questions.
I want you all to always remember for the rest of your lives that Jesus Christ is a far, far
greater Savior than you are a sinner.
Amen.
Thank you so much, Chris.
Thank you, brother.