April 21, 2021 Show with Jonathan Hill on “The Abolish Abortion Rally at the South Carolina State House”

Proverbs 27:17 and the Purpose of the Program

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Proverbs chapter 27 verse 17 tells us, Iron sharpens iron, so one man sharpens another. Matthew Henry said that in this passage, we are cautioned to take heed with whom we converse and directed to have a view in conversation to make one another wiser and better.

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And I am thrilled to have on the program for the very first time ever on Iron Sharpens Iron Radio, South Carolina State Representative Jonathan Hill. And today we are going to be addressing the Abolish Abortion Rally at the South Carolina State House, which is being held next week.

And it's my honor and privilege to welcome you for the very first time ever to Iron Sharpens Iron Radio, Jonathan Hill.

Thank you, Chris, for having me. I'm excited to be here.

I'm excited to have you on. And let me give our listeners our email address right away in the event that they would like to join us with questions of their own. Our email address is ChrisArnzen at gmail .com, C-H-R-I-S-A-R-N-Z-E-N at gmail .com.

Please give us your first name, at least your city and state of residence and your country of residence. If you live outside the USA, please only remain anonymous if your question involves a personal and private matter.

Let's say you have had an abortion or your daughter has had an abortion or some close family member or friend has had an abortion. Whatever the case may be that would compel you to remain anonymous, we would understand over personal and private matters.

But if it's just a general question about this horrible sin that continues to stain the United States of America and actually the world, infanticide, if it's just a general question about that or a political question, please give us at least your first name, city and state, and country of residence.

Fake Pro-Lifeism and the Need for Consistent Opposition to Abortion

Well, first of all, Jonathan, how long have you been a South Carolina state representative?

Yeah, well, I've been involved in politics since 2008.

And tell us exactly what the duties and responsibilities of being a state representative are, a general description of your day-to-day activities and the most important functions that are part of your role there.

Right, right. Well, since you are a born-again believer in Jesus Christ, a Bible-believing Christian,.

We have a tradition here on this program, when we have a first-time guest, that they give a summary of their salvation testimony, including the kind of religious atmosphere, if any, that you were raised in, and what kind of providential circumstances our Sovereign Lord raised up in your life that drew you to himself and ultimately saved you.

Yeah, yeah, I mean, pretty much.

Yeah, I know the feeling.

Speaking and chastening by the Lord.

Well, it is always a joy to hear of someone that is truly a legitimate, regenerate, born-again, Bible-believing Christian in political office. Obviously, there are many, if not multitudes, who are no doubt giving a false profession, even some that are very conservative in many areas of their platforms and so on.

But then eventually they wind up saying and doing things that reveal that they really don't know the Scriptures, and it is doubtful that they know God. But it is such a refreshing blessing to hear about someone like you and your reputation of being a state representative.

Well, you know, Chris, Jesus said you'll know them by their fruits.

Amen.

Amen.

And I have the privilege of knowing and having had the privilege to interview a former Pennsylvania state representative, Stephen Bloom, who is certainly and unquestionably a very strong and truly regenerate Bible-believing brother in Christ.

And I'm saddened that he is no longer a state representative, but I'm sure that the Lord has a lot of amazing things in store for his future due to his own gifts and zeal and passion for the Word of God and for truth.

Yeah, that sounds like somebody I'd love to meet sometime.

Yeah. Well, we have a listener, Ian, in Swansea, South Carolina. Hi, Mr. Arnzen. Thank you, as always, for your ministry. Could Representative Hill please address the issue of fake pro-life-ism in both conservative politics and in the mainstream pro-life movement?

Yes, I've been hearing more and more from those that are zealously and diligently involved in grassroots ministries to save the lives of unborn children that not everyone who wears a title of a pro-life Christian or conservative or says that they are passionately involved in the pro-life movement is actually laboring in a methodology or with a methodology that is actually going to bring about the abolishing of infanticide.

I'm not saying that this is a conscious thing with many of them, but perhaps most of them, it is an unconscious thing. But if you could tell us about your understanding of this, as Ian called it, fake pro-life-ism.

Right, yeah. Well, you know, we won life in South Africa even before. Key fundamental difference there.

It would be totally hypocritical and illogical if those who believe in abortion, or should I say the murder of an unborn child, due to rape and incest, if they are going to be logically consistent in believing that that is indeed human life, that it is indeed a child, then they would have to believe that it would be acceptable for a young mother who gives birth to a baby after being raped or being the victim of incest to throw that baby in a dumpster or to have a child that's even more developed and older murdered.

Because it is still a human being in both scenarios.

Yes.

Even so-called pro-life people often distinguish and contrast life before birth and life after birth. And this is really illegitimate, isn't it?

That's right.

Wow.

And we have to go to our first station break right now.

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We are now back with our guest today, Jonathan Hill. He is South Carolina State Representative, and we are addressing the Abolish Abortion Rally at the South Carolina State House. And tell us exactly all the details our listeners need to know about this rally.

Yeah, so good and coming.

We'll repeat that information later on in the program, and we hope that you have a wonderful turnout. We have a listener, and he's already going to start some trouble here. He's a faithful listener and generous financial supporter of Iron Sharpens Iron Radio, Grady in Asheboro, North Carolina.

And Grady asks something that probably no politician really wants to hear. But he says, Greetings, brothers. It's my understanding that some pro-life groups have signed agreements with some of the Roman Catholic pro-lifers not to share the gospel.

I personally believe this is necessary because a change of heart, redemption through Christ, is the only way to change a person's heart. However, saying that we, the church, must also be willing to aid those that decide on motherhood and fatherhood as Christians, willing to fulfill the Great Commission and to encourage and provide even materially as they grow in the grace and knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ.

Do you agree with this? That's kind of a tricky question. Do you agree with this? Well, you've mentioned a lot of things, Grady. Obviously, this is a First Amendment issue of the Constitution, of the fact that we have freedom of speech still in this country, at least now we do.

But if you could respond.

Yeah, yeah.

I'm happy to address that we have to acknowledge that part of the conversation for Christians, and it should be part of our motivation to be informed and educated enough to really address.

Yeah, and the way I would also respond to that is a lot of this depends on how the Roman Catholics who are involved in a particular pro-life demonstration are making certain aberrant beliefs of theirs vocal or prominent in the demonstration, and likewise, how the Protestants are evangelizing them.

I think that if you have a certain mission to accomplish a certain goal, you don't need to be confronting the Roman Catholics involved, or anyone else involved for that matter, whether they be Orthodox Jews, they may might even be atheists who are pro-life.

And I'm using that term in the sense of being committed to rescue the lives of human beings, in this case, unborn children, or even children born right after or during an abortion, who are being allowed to die in storage closets and so on.

But, obviously, I think it would be inappropriate for evangelicals to be holding up signs during a specific gathering intended to be an anti-abortion or abolish abortion event, holding up signs that say, stop praying the rosary, or stop praying to Mary and saints, stop your idolatry.

That would, yeah, that would...

Right.

But to develop relationships and friendships...

And to make the message as well.

Yeah, but to develop friendships and relationships with the Catholics that you're having this co-belligerent activity with, and share the gospel with them during those times of interaction when you're involved in private socializing and so on, that would be different.

I know that a very dear friend of mine, Dr. James R. White of Alpha Omega Ministries, many years ago, I think it was back in the 80s, he was very actively involved in a certain pro-life organization, and he voluntarily disassociated himself with it because they actually told him that he could never be a member in good standing of this group if he were to evangelize the Roman Catholics involved.

And obviously, that would be not only a violation of freedom of speech, but it'd be, even more importantly, fearing men more than God.

Right.

And also inflating what is a very serious crime and sinister act, the murder of unborn babies, but it would be inflating it above and beyond the eternal matters involving the gospel, which is not appropriate either.

Right.

And I think a lot of it has to do with being as cunning as serpents and gentle as doves.

We have to use wisdom and discretion, just like at the workplace, it would be inappropriate during certain hours and activities while you are being paid to do a job to be evangelizing people, but at the same time, you can, during your private life and during a lunch break or a snack break, while you're developing friendships and so on, evangelize people, as we are all called to declare the gospel to anyone who we providentially encounter.

And anytime we talk about something that's right or wrong, there's always that nagging little question, and by whose authority?

Yeah.

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