April 21, 2021 Show with Jonathan Hill on “The Abolish Abortion Rally at the South Carolina State House”

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And I am thrilled to have on the program for the very first time ever on Iron Sharpens Iron Radio,

South Carolina State Representative Jonathan Hill.

And today we are going to be addressing the Abolish Abortion Rally at the South

Carolina State House, which is being held next week.

And it's my honor and privilege to welcome you for the very first time ever to Iron Sharpens Iron Radio, Jonathan Hill.

Thank you, Chris, for having me.

I'm excited to be here.

I'm excited to have you on.

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their own.

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Please give us your first name, at least your city and state of residence and your country of residence.

If you live outside the USA, please only remain anonymous if your question involves a personal

and private matter.

Let's say you have had an abortion or your daughter has had an abortion or

some close family member or friend has had an abortion.

Whatever the case may be that would compel you to remain anonymous, we would understand over

personal and private matters.

But if it's just a general question about this horrible sin that

continues to stain the United States of America and actually the world,

infanticide, if it's just a general question about that or a political question,

please give us at least your first name, city and state, and country of residence.

Well, first of all, Jonathan, how long have you been a

South Carolina state representative?

Yeah, well, I've been involved in politics since 2008.

And tell us exactly what the duties and responsibilities of being

a state representative are, a general description of your day -to -day activities and the most

important functions that are part of your role there.

Right, right.

Well,

since

you

are a

born -again

believer in

Jesus

Christ, a

Bible

-believing Christian,.

We have a tradition here on this program, when we have a first -time guest, that they give a summary of their

salvation testimony, including the kind of religious atmosphere, if any, that you were raised in,

and what kind of providential circumstances our Sovereign Lord raised up in your life that drew you to

himself and ultimately saved you.

Yeah, yeah,

I mean, pretty much.

Yeah, I know the feeling.

Speaking and chastening by the Lord.

Well, it is always a joy to hear of someone that is truly

a legitimate, regenerate, born -again, Bible -believing Christian in

political office.

Obviously, there are many, if not multitudes, who are

no doubt giving a false profession, even some that are very

conservative in many areas of their platforms and so on.

But then eventually they wind up saying and doing things that reveal that they really don't know the

Scriptures, and it is doubtful that they know God.

But it is such a refreshing blessing to hear about someone like

you and your reputation of being a state representative.

Well, you know, Chris, Jesus said you'll know them by their fruits.

Amen.

Amen.

And I have the privilege of knowing and having had the privilege to interview

a former Pennsylvania state representative, Stephen Bloom, who is certainly

and unquestionably a very strong and truly regenerate Bible -believing brother in Christ.

And I'm saddened that he is no longer a state representative, but I'm sure that the Lord

has a lot of amazing things in store for his future due to his own gifts

and zeal and passion for the Word of God and for truth.

Yeah, that sounds like somebody I'd love to meet sometime.

Yeah.

Well, we have a listener, Ian, in Swansea, South Carolina.

Hi, Mr. Arnzen.

Thank you, as always, for your ministry.

Could Representative Hill please address the issue of fake pro -life -ism

in both conservative politics and in the mainstream pro -life movement?

Yes, I've been hearing more and more from those that are

zealously and diligently involved in grassroots

ministries to save the lives of unborn children that not

everyone who wears a title of a pro -life

Christian or conservative or says that they are passionately involved in the

pro -life movement is actually laboring in

a methodology or with a methodology that is actually going to

bring about the abolishing of infanticide.

I'm not saying that this is a conscious thing with many of them, but perhaps most of them, it is

an unconscious thing.

But if you could tell us about your understanding of this, as Ian called it,

fake pro -life -ism.

Right, yeah.

Well,

you

know,

we

won

life

in

South

Africa

even

before.

Key fundamental difference there.

It would be totally hypocritical and illogical if those who believe

in abortion, or should I say the murder of an unborn child, due to

rape and incest, if they are going to be logically consistent

in believing that that is indeed human life, that it is indeed a child, then they

would have to believe that it would be acceptable for a young mother who gives birth

to a baby after being raped or being the victim of incest to throw that baby in a dumpster

or to have a child that's even more developed and older murdered.

Because it is still a human being in both scenarios.

Yes.

Even so -called pro -life people often distinguish

and contrast life before birth and

life after birth.

And this is really illegitimate, isn't it?

That's right.

Wow.

And we

have to go

to our

first station

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We are now back with our guest today, Jonathan Hill.

He is South Carolina State Representative, and we are addressing the Abolish Abortion Rally at the South

Carolina State House.

And tell us exactly all the details our listeners need to know about this rally.

Yeah, so good and coming.

We'll repeat that information later on in the program, and we hope that you have a wonderful

turnout.

We have a listener, and he's already going to start some trouble here.

He's a faithful listener and generous financial supporter of Iron Sharpens Iron Radio,

Grady in Asheboro, North Carolina.

And Grady asks something that probably no politician really wants to hear.

But he says, Greetings, brothers.

It's my understanding that some pro -life groups have signed agreements with some of the Roman Catholic pro

-lifers not to share the gospel.

I personally believe this is necessary because a change of heart, redemption through Christ, is the only

way to change a person's heart.

However, saying that we, the church, must also be willing to aid those that decide

on motherhood and fatherhood as Christians, willing to fulfill the Great Commission and to encourage and

provide even materially as they grow in the grace and knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ.

Do you agree with this?

That's kind of a tricky question.

Do you agree with this?

Well, you've mentioned a lot of things, Grady.

Obviously, this is a First Amendment issue of the Constitution, of the

fact that we have freedom of speech still in this country, at least now we do.

But if you could respond.

Yeah, yeah.

I'm

happy

to

address

that

we have

to

acknowledge

that

part

of the

conversation

for

Christians,

and it

should be

part of our

motivation

to be informed and educated enough to really address.

Yeah, and the way I would also respond to that is a lot of this

depends on how the Roman Catholics who are

involved in a particular pro -life demonstration are

making certain aberrant beliefs of theirs vocal or prominent in the

demonstration, and likewise, how the Protestants

are evangelizing them.

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Catholics involved, or anyone else involved for that matter, whether they be Orthodox Jews,

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children born right after or during an abortion, who are being allowed to die

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during a specific gathering intended to be an anti

-abortion or abolish abortion event, holding up signs that say, stop praying the

rosary, or stop praying to Mary and saints, stop your idolatry.

That would, yeah, that would...

Right.

But to develop relationships and friendships...

And to make the message as well.

Yeah, but to develop friendships and relationships with the Catholics that you're having this co

-belligerent activity with, and share the gospel with them during those times

of interaction when you're involved in private socializing and so on, that

would be different.

I know that a very dear friend of mine, Dr. James R. White of Alpha Omega Ministries,

many years ago, I think it was back in the 80s, he was very actively involved in a

certain pro -life organization, and he voluntarily

disassociated himself with it because they actually told him that he could never be

a member in good standing of this group if he were to evangelize the Roman Catholics involved.

And obviously, that would be not only a violation of freedom of speech, but it'd be, even more importantly,

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Right.

And also inflating what is a very

serious crime and sinister act, the murder of unborn babies, but it

would be inflating it above and beyond the eternal matters

involving the gospel, which is not appropriate either.

Right.

And

I think

a

lot

of

it

has

to do with

being as

cunning

as

serpents

and

gentle

as

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Yeah.

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discussing abortion in general.

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abortion or abolish abortion rally at the South Carolina State House, and your

questions obviously can be on abortion in general or even politics in general from a Christian

viewpoint.

Our email address again is chrisarnson at gmail .com.

Give us your first name, at least your city and state of residence and your country of residence.

We have Bobby in Hartsdale, New York.

Who has a question for you.

Bobby asks, are you familiar with the wonderful work that Pastor Jeff

Durbin and the Apologia Church of Phoenix, Arizona are doing to rescue the lives of unborn children?

You know, I am and it has...

Praise God.

Jeff is a dear friend and he's been a guest in this program.

And what a tireless, zealous, unwaveringly committed brother he

is to rescuing the life of the unborn.

And I could tell by everything you've said today that he is on the same exact page as you are

in your niche in the movement to

abolish abortion and politically as well.

So we are grateful for him and the Apologia Church and for their

documentaries largely due to Marcus Pittman, who was a member there, is now

a member of Christ Church in Moscow, Idaho.

Marcus Pittman.

Babies are murdered here.

So we want to thank them and thank you, Bobby, for the question.

We have John in Bangor, Maine, who wants to know

another way that there is a division amongst those who claim to be pro -life

is the view on how women who have their babies murdered should be

treated legally.

There are some who believe that there should be no penalty legally for a woman who commits such

a crime.

And there are others who believe that she should be treated just like every other murderer, according to the

circumstances, of course.

What is your view on this?

Well,

God's

law...

Sure.

In fact, I was going to say that even liberals,

most of the time, at least those that have a voice you hear in the media, and even

aggressive pro -abortionists have typically been extremely

opposed.

And I know it's illogical.

It's really hypocritical.

But they have been extremely opposed to hearing the stories of

young women giving birth in a bathroom or something, putting the baby in a shoebox and

throwing it in a dumpster.

Even those that are pro -abortion have been typically opposed to that.

Now, they really have no logical reason for that, in my opinion.

But I think that if we, as a society, rightly

prosecute a young woman for doing that, obviously, there should

be no difference if she is having an abortion.

Well,

and

our

laws

have,

in other

words,

lethal

injection.

In fact, when I see the rise of leftist

tyranny, the death penalty is actually making me nervous,

because of the fact that who knows where the left will bring this country in the areas of tyranny.

That's right, yeah.

And more now than ever, there are so many ways for...

And obviously, in such circumstances,

the women, maybe not women at all, it may be young girls who have been coerced or

forced by their parents.

Right.

To have the baby.

In South

Carolina, our

murder statutes have

a way out a

series

of aggravating

factors

in

this crime.

An anonymous listener who says, this is obviously

a response to our whole discussion on co -belligerence early, when we work

in the pro -life or the anti -abortion or the abolish abortion movement

with those of other religions.

This anonymous listener says, as explained in the resolution passed by

the American Council of Christian Churches, co -belligerence with followers of false

religions such as Roman Catholicism is unbiblical.

Please consider reading on air the concluding two sentences of this

resolution.

We desire righteousness in our land, but the ecumenical compromise which the doctrine of co

-belligerence requires ultimately undermines that righteousness by erasing fundamental

doctrinal distinctives between believers and unbelievers.

By God's grace, we determine to continue to have no part in that compromise.

I have a lot of heartfelt agreement with that sentiment, but at the same time,

I think things need to be defined because is it co

-belligerence to even vote for a non -Christian who happens to be in agreement

with all of your political views that a person running for office or in

political power has actually a role in either preserving or bringing

about, like for instance, if there was a consistently

conservative Roman Catholic running for office who agreed with me

on scriptural matters even more than an evangelical running for office, I would vote for the Roman

Catholic.

But if you could respond to what our guest has presented here.

Yeah, I mean, you and I are on the same page with that.

I

am

not

a

pastor.

I happen to have a very high regard for the American Council of Christian Churches.

I've been to at least one of their conferences and a local congregation here in

Carlisle, about 10 minutes from where I'm sitting.

Faith Chapel in Carlisle, Pennsylvania is a part of that organization.

But it doesn't mean that I absolutely 100 agree with every conclusion or

decision that they make.

They are a bit more fundamentalist than I am and more separatist, but at the same time I applaud much

of what they're doing.

But interestingly enough, they are also ecumenical,

not with those that deny the gospel, but there are both Reformed and Arminian

churches and pastors who are members of that organization.

Well, that's a very interesting thing to note.

Well, being a Reformed Baptist myself, that was one of the hallmarks of what we believe.

None of us are perfect.

It's called total depravity.

I don't know about you, Chris.

I'm a four -point Calvinist.

I believe I'm basically...

I'm assuming that's sarcasm.

Of course.

But thank you, Anonymous.

And if you are a first -time questioner, by the way, you have won a free

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We have another listener, B .B. in Cumberland County, Pennsylvania, who

wants to know, is your organization involved with actually helping

mothers take care of the babies that they give birth to after

being convinced not to have an abortion?

Are your members of your organization involved in actually

adopting these children on occasion?

And there is often an accusation by the left that we do not care about

babies after they're born.

And I know that that is just slanderous rhetoric, but I was just wondering what you and your

colleagues and constituents believe is the appropriate action to be

taking when babies are born and the mothers giving birth cannot take care of them?

I think that...

Talking about regarding adoption laws and things like that?

Not the laws themselves per se, but rather how...

Sure.

In fact, we can very excitedly talk about at least one instance

involving our mutual friend, Jeff Durbin, who adopted a baby that was

rescued from...

I can't remember now if the baby was actually rescued from an abortion or the mother who was pregnant and

knew she could not care for the baby just heard about the Ministry of Apology of

Church.

But either way, the baby that Jeff

and his wife adopted had

a spina bifida, stage four spina bifida.

And when the baby was being delivered and Jeff was in the

hospital, waiting to be able to take this baby home with

his wife, the baby, which is now named Augustine,

the doctors were in utter amazement when the baby was born.

When the baby came out of the womb, there was no sign at all of spina bifida.

They were absolutely certain, the doctors, that the baby had spina bifida and the

sonograms and so forth had proven this.

And miraculously, it seems, this baby was born completely normal and healthy and is now being

raised in the home of Jeff and Candy Durbin.

So if anybody wants to find out more about that whole story, go

to apologyochurch .com.

We're going to our final break right now.

It's going to be a lot more brief than the other breaks.

If you have a question, please send it in immediately before we run out of time.

ChrisOrenson at gmail .com.

We'll be right back after these messages.

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Welcome back, and we are talking about the Abolish Abortion

Rally at the South Carolina State House next week with South Carolina

State Representative Jonathan Hill.

And Jonathan, the last questioner, I believe, presumed or

assumed that you were part of an organization.

I know that you are the South Carolina State Representative, but is there actually an organization that you are a member

of that's involved in the rally?

So,

a joint

effort.

If you could

repeat

all

the

details

that

our listeners

need

to

know,

especially.

Those within driving distance to South Carolina or who

already live there, let our listeners know.

Absolutely,

and

advise

them.

Yes, I

actually

have

been

obviously.

Misspeaking.

I've been saying next week, but it's Tuesday, May 4th.

It is Tuesday, May 4th, yes.

Yes, I apologize for that error.

Tuesday, May 4th, folks.

Sorry for the constant repetition of this event being held next week.

And go to AbolishAbortionSC for SouthCarolina .com.

AbolishAbortionSC .com.

We have time for at least one more question from a listener.

We have Ronald in Eastern Suffolk County, Long Island, who asks, I don't know whether or not you are

post -millennial, but many people seem very pessimistic about this country ever

turning to the place where they believe as a whole that

abortion is murder and therefore that it will be outlawed in most or all states.

What is your view and what is your level of optimism?

Well,

I think

that my

level

of optimism,

but that's

why

we're

doing anything.

Amen.

We're out of time, brother, and I want to repeat your website.

It is AbolishAbortionSC .com.

AbolishAbortionSC .com.

Thank you so much for being such a superb guest.

Thank everybody who listened today, and especially those who took the time to write in questions.

I want you all to always remember for the rest of your lives that Jesus Christ is a far, far

greater Savior than you are a sinner.

Amen.

Thank you so much, Chris.

Thank you, brother.