Giving Tuesday: American Reformer, Truthscript, Chronicles, Equipping the Persecuted

Giving Tuesday and Why These Organizations Matter

Hello and welcome to the Conversations at Matter podcast. I'm your coach, John Harris. It is Giving Tuesday and I've done this in the past, but not maybe to the extent we're doing it today. I've highlighted organizations that I think are worth your dollars.

And I don't say that lightly. I think many of us have lost faith in our institutions. We don't trust sometimes even our churches in some cases, which is very sad. And that obviously if you don't trust your church, you probably need to find a church you do trust.

But since 2020, especially, the institutions that have failed us have not regained our trust in most cases. And a lot of evangelicals, conservatives are looking to put their money towards organizations that are actually going to do what they say they're going to do with it.

And that's part of the problem is you give to an organization, you later on find out they're wasting it or they're using it to contradict the very things you believe that are foundational and you don't wanna give to them anymore.

And so my goal with this is to actually help you. And I know for some of you, this may not be appealing to you because it sounds like one long advertisement, but I hope you'll stick around because I have four different people from four different organizations that are gonna talk a little bit about what they're doing and what they would like to do if they had the funds to do it.

We have Paul Gottfried from Chronicles Magazine. We have Josh Abattoid from American Reformer, my brother, David Harris from TruthScript. And we also have Judge Saul from Equipping the Persecuted, all representing 501c3s.

And all looking to make a difference, a positive difference. And they're all, if people in the audience care about this, vetted by me. So it takes a lot to build trust with me so that I am supportive and positive about something because I've been, let's just say, it's been one too many times I've been told something only to find out it's not exactly true.

And so it takes a while to build that trust, but these are organizations that I have trust built up with, whether that's through personal relationships and knowing these people, knowing their character, knowing their hearts, or whether it's a combination of that and just seeing these organizations take hard stands, take risks, willing to even do things that make them not so popular because they care about the truth.

That's what I think you care about. That's what I care about. And so as we go through these different organizations, I hope you'll listen and consider maybe contributing or in some cases, like in Chronicles, subscribing or helping in some way.

I know TruthScript could always use volunteers and people who have to write for them and that kind of thing. So these are just some great organizations. Before I get to that though, I just want to share with you briefly, this is a sponsor for this month for the podcast, mudhenmama .com, mudhenmama .com.

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We haven't paid for any advertising yet and there's already a lot of interest being generated. So here's my brother, David Harris from TruthScript.

Howdy, how's everybody doing?

So tell us a little bit about what's going on this year. TruthScript started what, in the spring, I think, or maybe late winter last year or this year, I should say.

Well, we've been talking about it for a little bit over a year. It became a reality in April. That's when we filed the 501c3 paperwork. And then in May, it was officially a nonprofit. So we've been operating since then.

We really didn't start, we didn't launch the website till June. So we're going on roughly six months that we've been going. And in that time, there's, you know, God's done a lot of really cool things.

And I think there's a lot of things that are gonna happen in the future too. And we've been really blessed.

What are the top articles? Because I know that's one of the things TruthScript has done for the primary thing is probably put out these articles that are similar to like Gospel Coalition type style, but obviously from a more orthodox and conservative standpoint.

Like give us a sampling to people, what kinds of articles have gone out there that are popular?

Yeah, the most popular articles been from Rosaria Butterfield, which was over, I think that was back in July. And she kind of went into her testimony and then talked about sort of her rescinding on the use of pronouns and other things with her, sort of her right wing slide, I guess, in a way.

I don't know if she'd want me to put it that way, but it was a great article. So that has been our top performing article. One of our directors, Danny Steinmeier, he wrote an article about called expository preaching doesn't necessarily mean good preaching.

And this was a really, really great article, very timely, where he sort of went over how a lot of conservative churches will sort of stand behind exegetical, like doing exegesis and expositional preaching as a way of not having to deal with pressing issues of our day, or even pressing issues within their churches, because you can sort of say like, well, you know, we're not gonna address that because I'm in Romans and we gotta do the next verse.

So he makes some really good points and gives a really good challenge to pastors. We also had, I wrote an article about the Duggar Amazon show, Shiny Happy People. And that's been pretty well-received, well-received by some, very much not well-received by others, but we did get contacted from even some of the people on that show that had been interviewed and they gave us some support and agreed with what we put out.

So those are a few we've had. We had a guy from a pastor from Northern Ireland write for us, and he wrote about immigration and sort of explained that throwing your border open is not necessarily a loving thing.

That's not necessarily the Christian perspective and went over biblical principles of nations and borders and things like that. So that's sort of a smattering, a sampling of different articles that we've had over the last six months or so.

And I know I sent you, cause Mark Coppinger had sent me an article on aesthetics, beauty, I think, and it was aesthetics, right?

Music, aesthetics and music.

Music, music.

And so he's, I mean, he's a heavy hitter. He's a former professor at Southern Baptist Theological Seminary. And so, I mean, we have some people from across the spectrum people from, who are in institutions in evangelicalism or have been, and then also people who are just laymen, who are good writers and have something to say, and they're not going to be platform likely in other places, but they need to be.

And I think that's part of the intention behind TruthScript is to put out articles that are necessary or timely that other outlets may not wanna put out, maybe because of the political backlash or because it doesn't match the winsome kind of flavor that they're going for.

But TruthScript is that website that's hard hitting, that's, you know, and I compared it to the Gospel Coalition and of course both are known for articles, but I know there's more than just articles that you've done and that you wanna do.

So talk to us a little bit about that, maybe plans for next year and the years ahead and how people can be involved.

Sure, so, I mean, as to the articles, one thing that hopefully we'll be launching either this week or next week is we'll have sort of a podcast form of the articles. So, you know, speaking for myself, I spend a lot of time in the car during my day job.

So it's hard for me and I know a lot of other people to sit down and physically read a blog. I don't even have a lot of time, really. I don't look at my phone much during my work day. But if a blog is an audio form, I'm much more likely to actually consume it, to actually, you know, to get what's being written.

So what we're gonna do is start putting the articles in audio form and putting that on the podcast so that people can stream them as well and get the good stuff that's coming out. We've had a couple, we had a men's retreat back in September.

So we're also trying to sort of do some organizing when it comes to events. So we found that, and you put the retreat together, so you know this, and you put some of the other conferences together. But we've had people in various parts of the country, Idaho, Wisconsin, hopefully we'll do something in Tennessee.

There's a lot of hunger for people to kind of get together around this statement of faith. We're evangelical unapologetically, but we're conservative and we're seeking to apply God's word to everyday life and to society in a way that's consistent with the truth of the Bible.

So having events, having conferences, places where people can mingle. And then that also goes to just sort of the general like networking, so that as our economy sort of descends into madness, we are taking care of each other.

Christians are looking out for other Christians and not just because they are Christians, but also because maybe they have stands that have not been popular with their jobs or the states that they live in, or they were fired for not getting a vaccine or something like that.

So we're looking also to create a job board that should be live within the next few weeks that people can post and look for jobs that probably more orientated towards ministry, but that there are opportunities for people in that way.

So conferences, job board, and then I think we're gonna be working on a church finder too in the near future.

Yeah, I think that's actually almost done. There's some programmers working on that, but we'll need people to sign up once that is live. One of the things I was just thinking about when you were talking is that there are a whole lot of people out there, it seems to me, that they want something.

Like if you think about like American Reformer, which they're doing work that's not being done in more intellectual circles and in higher levels of institutions, they're not tackling so much like the layman level, which is, I think that's where TruthScript comes in.

There's a lot of people, probably the lion's share in Christianity and evangelicalism, who are hungering for good material that will inspire them, encourage them in their daily lives, that is primarily positive, accessible, tackles the relevant issues of the day that they're having to navigate.

But isn't Christianity today? Isn't the Gospel Coalition? Isn't Relevant Magazine? And all we seem to have on our side, if you wanna call it side, and I'm saying side as in like the more orthodox, conservative wing of evangelicalism, is discernment blogs and then like exegetical or like preaching ministries.

So, I mean, you do have your G3s, you do have your Grace to Use, you do have your Founders, you do have your Protestias and your Dissenter and Capstone Report, all these things, but none of them are actually doing though what like Gospel Coalition or Christianity Today are doing on the left, right?

And that's where TruthScript I think comes in is it fills that empty place that's been there for so many years. And it seems like things are growing. I mean, do you see more traffic and more people becoming interested, signing up for the email list, et cetera?

Yeah, we have a steady stream of email signups. How many views an article gets depends on the article. Obviously more controversial topics will probably get more hits, but also just articles that are really relevant to where people are.

And what you're saying about laymen, I mean, that is a big part of the mission. There's people who have written for TruthScript that maybe never would have thought to, nobody's ever gonna read what I have to write, but we have editors, even if it's not perfect, we can make things sometimes just with a little bit of tweaking.

And we've also just had people send in stuff and they're excellent writers. They just, nobody knows who they are. So it's sort of an opportunity to allow God to use their abilities to a wider audience.

But then just in general, we live in tough times in a lot of ways. And Christianity Today, The Gospel Coalition, I mean, The Gospel Coalition was posting articles about Taylor Swift a couple of weeks ago, and the gospel elements from Taylor Swift's tour.

Maybe that connects to somebody somewhere, but as an average father, husband, working man, that doesn't do anything for me. That doesn't help me where I'm at. I'm dealing with things like, how are we gonna afford to pay this bill?

And how should I be disciplining my child? And how do I model a godly leadership role for my wife? And how do I make sure that our relationship is honoring to God? Those are the kinds of things that are on my mind.

And I think a lot of other Christians who are tired of getting just fluff. And if it's not fluff, then it's usually from coming from the left. And we're not on the left. So we need to be served where we are.

And trying to apply God's principles that he's laid out in the scripture, and make those things accessible, oftentimes in bite-sized chunks to your normal Christian, your normal pew-sitting Christian who doesn't have the time to go to seminary and get a degree, but needs to, just desires to live their life in a way that's honoring to God.

Yeah.

And you are, I mean, you're not afraid to dabble in some politics. I think there's a series coming, right, on the pros and cons of voting for Trump or voting for another candidate or voting third party.

Yeah, and let me say something about that. So I put something up about that. But if anybody wants to write a book an article making a case for voting right now, we already have one voting for a third party constitution party.

But if you want to make a case for voting for DeSantis or Trump, I'm not going to guarantee that your article is going to get run because maybe we'll probably get several, but go ahead and submit an article if you'd like, and you can make a case.

So this is something that, I mean, we're not going to do an article on why you should vote for a Democrat probably, but unless it's like, well, we're just trying to hasten the collapse of everything so that we can rebuild from the ashes.

I think that's totally valid at this point, but right now most conservative Christians are going to be assessing who do they vote for in the primary. So we'll tackle that, we'll examine that, and we'll have some Christians make a case and we'll do so charitably and treat each other as brothers and not as enemies because we don't line up 100 on every political.

See, that's something though that's been missing, I think, from the online discourse in Christian Twitter, if you will, and in many of these ministries, and even Gospel Coalition is not going to probably run pieces like that.

They will run, I'm sure, pieces leading up to the election, but it's going to either be vague or general so it doesn't offend anyone, or it's going to be, and I'm not just speaking for them, but other outlets as well, they tend to either shy away from that stuff, do it very generally and vague, or they pick a position and they're like, this is our position.

And usually the position is like, we just stay out of politics. Both these parties are evil, or

Our position is no position.

We're just Republican and that's it. I don't know what, I'm trying to even think of a Christian outlet at this point that would even say that. There's definitely some political groups on the religious right, but

It's usually a reiteration of George Bush's compassionate conservatism, just sort of repackaged over and over and over again.

Which we're all so nauseated. The younger people in both conservatism and evangelicalism are just not listening to that stuff anymore, and they don't buy it. And I think TruthScript has an opportunity here to be more of a fresh, fresh may not even be the word, a practical take on the world as it is currently.

Not the world as it was in 1985, but right now. And we're in the collapse of Western Civ. So what do you do? How should you live during the collapse of an empire? If you were at the last stage of the Roman Empire, what would you do?

And that's a good point too. I mean, we're looking to sort of publish more about what is and not what should be. We know what should be. What should be is, you know, the, I mean, the return of Christ, the setting of all things, right?

That is what should be, and that is what will be. But it's not what is right now. And God has specific tasks and responsibilities imparted to his people, even in the times that we're in now. Which is something I have to remind myself of because I don't always love being alive in 2023.

I love history, and there's other periods that I wish I was in. But, you know, if God is sovereign, then he's appointed this particular time for me to be alive, and for all of us who know him and love him and are called according to his purpose.

And so we're looking to equip people as they are now in the real situations they're in, so that they can obviously promote the gospel, but also promote the biblical view of, you know, of family, of government, of society, of culture, and practical ways that you can live that out today, things that you can do with your family, things that you can do in your church.

Now, to quote Gandalf,.

All we can do, I'm probably botching the quote. When he says to Frodo, right, we can only choose to do the right thing with what we're given, the time that we're given. We can't choose what time to be in.

So

Ripped out of the first book and planted in the third movie.

Is it?

It's in the beginning. It's actually when he first gets the ring. That's where that quote comes from, but they put it way later, I think.

No, I think it's in the first movie.

Is it in the first?

I think it is.

I think I'm mixing up with when he talks to Pippin about what happens after death, but

Okay, well

We haven't published anything about Tolkien, and we know probably a good

We can have a debate on whether Tolkien was, he's Catholic, right, so

Whether he was actually saved.

You know, Doug Wilson says he made it in and he was saved. I'm pretty sure he says that. So, yeah. And I know there's some people whose minds just like exploded with me just saying that. Both of the words Doug Wilson and the words Catholic made it in.

I'm not saying he did, by the way.

Or that he didn't.

Or that he, I don't know him well enough. I just know Lord of the Rings.

Clearly not well enough. Doug Wilson or Gandalf.

Or Tolkien.

Oh, this has gone off the rails.

All right, well

Debate about whether Gandalf made it into heaven.

No, Gandalf made it into something. It was, he became a white wizard. So that happened somewhere. I just don't, I don't know where that was. But, all right. We're just kidding. Don't worry, people.

Qualifier. Just joking.

People were just about to contribute to TruthScript and then they decided not to.

Forward your hate mail to info at truthscript .com.

Yeah.

Well, that's what I was gonna say. TruthScript .com is the website for such a time as this. The motto, or the verse is Romans chapter 12, verse one. Be not conformed to the world, but transformed by the ruining of your mind.

You go to truthscript .com to find out more. You can scroll down to the bottom if you want to donate. It's a 501c3. You can also contribute by scrolling down to the bottom. There's a tab for that and we'd appreciate it.

So, David, thank you for stopping by. Appreciate it.

Thanks for having me.

Chronicles Magazine and Paleoconservative Independence

Well, the next organization I want to talk about is Chronicles Magazine. Chronicles Magazine is one of my favorite magazines. It's the only magazine I subscribe to and I had the privilege of interviewing Paul Godfrey for the Conversations That Matter podcast.

Here's our interview. Dr. Godfrey, thank you for coming on. How are you doing?

Except for my devil's palsy, which leaves one side of my face numb, I'm doing quite well, thank you.

Yeah, well, please, everyone pray for Dr. Godfrey because that's no fun. I'm thankful that you can at least communicate and we can talk about Chronicles a little bit because it is Giving Tuesday. And Chronicles, I tell people when they ask, not many people ask, but when people do ask, do you get any magazines, John?

Magazines, I guess, a little bit of a thing of the past, but there is one print magazine that I really look forward to and I enjoy getting, and that's Chronicles. I have a copy of it right here, this is the latest issue.

And it's the best political analysis, cultural political analysis that I know of. Of course, I'll try to get updates and stuff from the Epoch Times or another outlet for quick things that are happening.

But as far as understanding current events, Chronicles is my go-to. And so I just wanna encourage people to subscribe to Chronicles. And I think you have a digital edition as well, is that correct?

Yes, we do.

Yeah, so tell us a little bit about Chronicles. I know you're one of the founding fathers of not just Chronicles, but paleoconservatism, which is really the point of view or points of view that the magazine advocates.

What are you intending to do with the magazine? What kinds of things have been accomplished through the influence of the magazine? And what kinds of things then in the future do you wanna do?

Well, given my advanced age, probably somebody else will have to take over the reins eventually. But I think one could say that Chronicles has been moving more or less in the same direction and examining the same issues for the last 45 years.

We are really an independent magazine of the intellectual right. We are entirely independent in terms of what we say. We would agree with your listeners that we support biblical morality. We are critical of gay marriage, defend traditional gender roles, all these other things.

In that respect, we are unchanging. But we are willing to examine all kinds of positions that the conservative movement takes from a very critical perspective. For instance, one of the arguments that I make all the time and some of our other contributors do is that wokeness is not Marxism.

It's much more pernicious than Marxism. It is not a socioeconomic critique of capitalism or anything like that. In fact, it was led by woke corporate capitalists. This is one of the great dangers of it, that it merges with capitalism to destroy traditional Judeo-Christian morality and the constitutional principles on which this country was based.

But we dare say this because we're not part of the Murdoch media empire. We don't get onto Fox News ever. And we go our own way on most issues. And we're open to other points of view. I can't say I'm entirely open to other points of view.

I admit to loathing anything woke. I think it is evil and perverse. But on academic political issues, we are open to a wide variety of views. And we value our independence. So we've been isolated because of our independence for decades.

We just do not fit into the conservative establishment. And they'd be delighted if we disappeared tomorrow. Therefore, we are entirely dependent on the goodwill of our readers and donors. And we have a very small base of them.

And every now and then we look for new donors because the other ones die. And we need new benefactors in order to keep the publication going. And we are right now in the process of rebuilding the magazine.

At one time, we had a readership comparable to that of National Review for back into the 1990s. We've been losing readers because the conservative movement has sort of given us the cold shoulder and is very hard to maintain our independent status.

Now, we say we are paleoconservative, even that term. You know, if you read our anthology on the paleoconservatism, you would find out that it embraces a really wide variety of positions and persuasions.

And, you know, we have people who are traditional Christian conservatives. We have people who are in the populist camp. I think among the younger generation, we have moved very much toward the populist right.

Although, we're not all backers of Trump. Some of us, like myself, are strong dissenter supporters. So, you know, there is independence. We do not, if you read our magazine on the Russian-Ukrainian War, you'd probably find 10 different positions there.

We are not being paid off by anybody. We are open to dissenting views. And the same thing is true even in our approach to the Israeli-Hamas War, that although I think most of us side with the Israelis, I think we all do to some extent, the Palestinian issue is much more complicated than one would gather from watching Fox News, which presents the same view 24 -7.

So in order to maintain this independent voice on the right, we are very much dependent upon the goodwill of donors. And we're trying now to increase our donor base as well as our list of subscribers.

Dr. Gottfried, correct me if I'm wrong, this is just my assessment reading Chronicles. The thing that binds the people who write in Chronicles together is shared loves more than anything else. So you have dissent among the way we should approach policy issues, but the people who contribute all love this country.

They love the things that I think we all share in common that truly matter, traditional marriage, the institutions, as we say. And that's something that I don't find in other conservative publications where it seems like it's more about political victory or trying to outsmart the left in some clever way where we're going to adopt some of their positions or look the way that they look in order to defeat them.

One of the things that I was impressed with initially, my introduction to Chronicles was I was at an Abbeville event, which I know you and I met at an Abbeville event earlier this year. And I met Aaron Wolf, who has since passed on, but he held up a copy of Chronicles.

I think he was the editor-in-chief or he had a position there.

He was sort of the associate editor, but in effect he ran the magazine. He and his wife ran the magazine for years.

He had given a speech on Robert E. Lee and defending the monuments. And I just thought this is remarkable because The Daily Wire, The Blaze, Fox News, all these conservative ink, they had no interest in defending any of that.

And I've seen the same thing now with gay marriage. They don't have any interest in, they're just willing to concede that. And Chronicles has been consistent. They haven't budged on these issues, which I think is appealing to conservative Christians out there who they haven't budged on these issues.

And some of them are subscribing to Daily Wire thinking that this is going to do something. And so I would just ask you, what can someone expect if they want to see political victory, maybe they have been subscribed to Daily Wire or they're watching Fox News or something, what can they expect different from Chronicles when they get a Chronicles magazine or go online and read it in a digital form?

Well, let me express my own view here. I think the way the conservatism incorporated has given in to pulling down Confederate statues, to treating gay marriage as some kind of sacred Christian institution is utterly contemptible.

These are contemptible positions. And I keep saying, growing up in the 1950s and 1960s, I could not imagine a communist taking more radical social positions than the conservative movement is doing right now.

They're shameless. I picked up the New York Post about a week ago and there was an article by someone named Chadwick Moore, who's a gay conservative, there's lots and lots of them. And he was explaining that the real battle now is between the gay community and the transgenders and the conservatives over the gays.

I mean, if it comes to that, I don't care which side wins. Everything is lost. And these people are shameless on these moral social issues. And by the way, I am surprised that the Blaze and Daily Wire supported the removal of Confederate statues.

I mean, I know National Review does, but I wasn't expecting to hear more from them.

They didn't in 2015, though, I don't think. David French even wrote an article defending the flag. But they shift as the culture or as the left shifts, they shift with them. So let me ask you this, because Elon Musk, as we all know, big time supporter of my podcast.

Not really, but if we do happen to have some donors out there who are thinking about organizations to give to, and let's say someone did give you a couple million dollars, what kinds of things would you want to see done?

I mean, would you start a news channel? Would you, what would Chronicles Magazine do?

Yeah, survival. You know, the German poet Rilke has a famous statement in German. Das war sprich nicht von siegen, das war überstehen, das war alles. That don't speak of victory, just survival is everything.

And that is exactly our position right now. We need to survive. We need to find more young subscribers and we have to rebuild. We are, as I said, a unique, and I know that word unique is obvious, we are a unique publication on the right.

If Chronicles falls, there'll be no one to replace us. And I think your evangelical listeners might take that into account when they're deciding to which magazines they would like to give their donations.

And, you know, if Elon Musk gave us money, it would simply be, it wouldn't even do us any, we wouldn't take added salaries. We would just try to build up the magazine, rebuild the magazine to where it was in the 1990s when it was a major force in the conservative movement.

Yeah, that needs to return. And I think, yeah, I do see some movement among young people. I know CJ Engel, who I've had on the podcast a few times, he runs your podcast. So there's a Chronicles Magazine podcast you can subscribe to.

Stephen Wolfe wrote an article in, I know a magazine that you have there on, religion and, yeah, you wanna show it? Yeah, there you go. Yep, so Stephen Wolfe wrote an article. And it's been a place where people who are even, like Stephen, quote unquote, Christian nationalists can get a fair hearing, which they can't really anywhere else, at least in the mainstream.

So yeah, I'm very supportive of Chronicles. I hope that you'll be supportive of Chronicles. Where can people go to subscribe and also give to the effort?

Well, the first place you might wanna start is go on Chronicles Magazine org. It's online and you can donate there. You can also subscribe. So that would be probably the fastest way to do it. You could also send me a message or send a message to our publisher, Robert Roach.

I mean, either is gonna work. But perhaps the easiest way to do it is simply to go online and look up chroniclesmagazine .org.

Okay, and one last, so I know the Charlemagne Institute is what I think they run Chronicles, right? That it's under, Chronicles is under the Charlemagne Institute.

Right, right. The Charlemagne Institute took it over from the Rockford Institute, which sort of became merged with the Charlemagne Institute several years ago, before I actually came on board as editor-in-chief.

So, and that is a 501c3?

Yes, absolutely. It is, okay.

So if you give to the Charlemagne Institute, that helps Chronicles, and that's a 501c3 as well. So, all right. Well, no, that's good. So people can go look up the Charlemagne Institute or just go to chroniclesmagazine .org and check it out and subscribe.

There's also a search engine there. You can go back to old editions of the magazine if you wanna look up a particular subject.

Right.

And anyway, I appreciate all the work you're doing. Dr. Godfrey, thank you for your time.

Thank you for having me on.