May 31, 2019 Show with Andy Woodard on “A Vision for a Reformed Seminary in New York City”

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Island and Hope Reform Baptist Church in Coram, Long Island and Ridge

Missio Church in Ridge Long Island and dr. Costa did a phenomenal job as

expected at all of those churches and was very warmly received and all that attended

appeared to be riveted to everything he was saying as Can be

Attested to by the fact that most people stayed after the events for long periods of time to ask

questions and so on that's always a good sign that people enjoyed themselves and were blessed and edified and educated and

So then from there I went to the banner of truth conference in Elizabethtown, Pennsylvania.

And that was a phenomenal time as it always is and one of the people that I see

every banner of truth conference I've ever attended in fact, I Think I've

seen him at nearly every reformed church.

I I'm sorry reformed conference that I have attended.

But he is our guest today Andy Woodard is lead pastor at New Covenant

Church NYC in the heart of Manhattan he's not only the lead pastor, but he's the founding

pastor of that church and Today we are going to Address the theme of

vision for a reformed seminary in New York City.

And it's my honor and privilege to welcome you back to iron sharpens iron radio pastor Andy Woodard.

Hey Chris, thanks so much for having me on.

Yes, I I do the conferences that I go to I

promise.

Well, I don't go to every conference either but it seems that every conference I go to you go to I think I think we.

Have similar taste in conferences.

Well tell our listeners who have not heard you from your interviews before

Something about New Covenant Church, obviously.

If our listeners Today who are tuning in listen with any

regularity they must have heard Something about New Covenant Church NYC in an abbreviated

form because dr Stephen J Lawson a friend of yours was actually your professor at one time

does the voiceover for The ad on iron sharpens iron radio for New Covenant Church NYC,

but beyond what the commercial tells us From the lips of Stephen J

Lawson tell us about New Covenant Church NYC.

Yes, so we um, we second will be a

weekly service the

first year.

We were a house church.

Just lack of funds to rent any space and we really didn't need to rent a space either.

Then the one -year anniversary to the day the first Sunday of July last year.

We started renting public space.

We've met in a dance studios yoga studios gym

all over the place.

So now we have around 40 people last Sunday and we have

27 members right now.

Wow, that is very impressive for a very new Reformed

Baptist Church, especially because of the fact that even though reformed theology is growing in popularity

It is still a tiny minority in the landscape of Christian theology.

Yeah, yeah.

And who is that.

Yes, I know Gary and I'm glad to see that he is now elevated to the position

of elder.

Yep.

Yeah, he was

our treasure to

the flocks

and we gladly take that recognize them and Affirm them through

and watching observe we do a Formal ordination.

Gary's ordination was back and in my interest our book our listeners

that Gary is a Jewish believer.

Which some folks Think it's an oxymoronic to be reformed theologically

and Jewish, but it's not at all.

I think it is actually more in harmony With understanding how God has always had a

chosen people Throughout the history of the scriptures and

the nation of Israel were a chosen people a chosen race in the physical

sense and God has always had his chosen people his elect that he has chosen before the

foundation of the world in a spiritual sense in a more significant and important infinitely more important

sense, which includes Gentiles and Jews and it's always a Thrill

to know that another Jewish believer has embraced The

doctrines of sovereign grace in addition to of course infinitely more importantly

Jesus Christ as his Lord God Savior and King.

So that's just a bit of trivia because as we know Jewish Reformed

Baptists are about as rare as a Bigfoot sighting.

So But It's always a pleasure to have fellowship

with Gary as well so If anybody I'm hoping to

remember to repeat this later on and I'm sure I will but New Covenant Church

NYC if you want to find out more about this congregation go to

NCC dot NYC very easy website to remember NCC for New Covenant

Church dot NYC for New York City, and it's interesting how the websites are

developing and Becoming easier to remember with different letters available

after the dots.

So Just just remember that website and If you are

visiting Manhattan, which a lot of people do from all over the world and we have listeners all over the world

please Put it on your somewhere in your your

where you're never going to forget some kind of pad that you have that you travel with a

daybook a calendar.

But NCC dot NYC so you'll know to visit New Covenant Church NYC when you visit Manhattan and if you

know folks that already live in Manhattan and you're Looking to recommend a good church for them, which you should be

Just remember that address NCC dot NYC and let me also give the

Email address for our listeners who want to ask questions

chris arnzen at gmail .com.

Chris arnzen at gmail .com.

Chris arnzen at gmail .com and please give us as always at least your first name your city and state

of residence in your country of Residence if you live outside the USA before we go into our subject at hand a vision for a

reformed seminary in New York City.

Gary give us some of your thoughts and reflections upon the banner of truth conference.

I really enjoyed it very much.

In fact there is a possibility that in the spring of

2020 I may have one of the speakers at the banner of truth conference as my

iron sharpens iron radio Spring pastors luncheon speaker Chad Vegas

whose name I have Mentioned before I love his name I and if I could switch my name with

anybody else that would be Chad Vegas because I Would pretend to be a movie private detective because I

think it's a quintessential name for a private detective Chad Vegas private I but anyway, he he gave some

phenomenal messages and in particular the last one.

Which was the final message of the conference actually?

Immediately drove me to the idea of inviting him and he when I approached him.

He was thrilled with the idea and said that he would be very excited and honored to to do that.

And we just have to make sure our schedules match and by the way there's also a

strong likelihood that the Next iron sharpens iron pastors luncheon before that which would be

in January of 2020 Justin Peters has expressed

A very strong interest in doing that he's already agreed to do that as long as we can match our schedules together.

So keep that in prayer as well, but tell us your own reflections on the banner of truth conference.

The banner of truth and Gary and I agree.

This is our favorite conference that we

you you just

spend a lot of various locations and trying to find your breakout seminars.

And it's all very complicated and overwhelming and exhausting.

But the this banner conference is not like that it's it's hosted on a college

campus with dining hall and chap dorm accommodation,

so you don't have to Run all over.

It's also not huge in the attendance.

There's just a couple hundred pastors.

Maybe 300 that are really that's that's all you think we're there.

I thought it was closer to like 500 maybe

Maybe four

out of 50

for some of these

deceive people there's so many.

Also the pastor or the preaching is incredible and for me they they're typically guys I've never

heard of before like the quote

-unquote a list celebrity

preachers tremendous and It

never heard of who

would do well to go and look them up on sermon audio and download their sermon.

Listen, let me let me just put in my own two cents regarding that description.

I would call them a Humble men with humble churches that are not megachurches

typically.

But I don't know if I would call them average pastors because yeah, they are extraordinary in their

gifts typically.

Yeah, yeah, I didn't mean average in that sense, but.

Not mega churches, right, right, right.

And of course, you know, we do have some exceptions of men who are Absolutely superb that have large very

large churches like John MacArthur and others.

Yeah, but it is good to know that you don't have to be some kind of a super celebrity

to be worthy of speaking at a major conference and and

all of the men that I've ever heard at the banner of truth conferences are excellent and You can

especially if you are reformed like we are.

You can just be you can rest assured That you're going to have

solid meat and biblically Orthodox content not that every single person

Who is published by the banner of truth is in lockstep identically there.

They do represent a variety of reform backgrounds from

Reform Baptist to Presbyterian to Anglican to

Reformed Congregationalist even Calvinist Methodist so you do have a

variety of backgrounds of men that the banner of truth publishes and also invites to speak at their events,

but In spite of any minor different disagreements that even people in their own congregation

might have with one another.

You can be really rest assured if you if you buy a book from banner of truth.

Or if you visit a banner of truth conference, you're not going to be led astray by some crazy teaching.

And so I strongly urge everybody listening to go to banner of truth org.

Banner of truth org we put on an email list or mailing list of some kind so that you can keep in touch with them

about events they're having and also so that you can Investigate their their

their catalog because they just have the you know exquisite theologically

sound information for you from from writers and pastors and

men of God from not only the past great heroes of the faith going back centuries,

but also current -day men like Sinclair Ferguson and others who are Extraordinary men of God that

are still alive and with us now.

So that's banner of truth org.

Banner of truth org and now we are going to delve into a theme that you

Wanted to discuss today.

It is a vision you have for a reformed seminary in New York City.

You are Intending it right off the bat Right out of the gate to

view this as something that you are fairly Convinced is going to take

perhaps even decades to accomplish.

It's always better to View things that way than to expect something to happen quickly and then be sorely

disappointed when it doesn't.

Which is one thing that we all have to learn to be anxious for nothing and Not to be

impatient about things to be patient with the Lord and his sovereignty over things and his providence

but tell us why you came up with this theme to begin with and why you think

that the We don't want to disrespect or insult anyone involved in the higher education

system in Manhattan that exists there already but What it would specifically

are you looking for in fact, are you Intention intending to create if God enables you

to in regard to a reformed seminary in New York City.

Yeah.

In in Manhattan currently here

are are

either an extension center

butter in their scope.

But that doesn't it's not the same vision.

It's not the Residential program where you have professors who

live here.

They're the professors tend to fly in and they're more like guests

begin class.

Things of that nature.

So that's the specific vision.

It's just a residential seminary

like Southern Seminary Louisville

or the Master's Seminary Which I'm currently a student at in California.

There's

nothing like the vision.

No, what are the primary?

Reasons a Person would enter into a seminary who happens to be

Blessed enough already to be going to a biblically sound church Where

they are fed the Word of God Weekly by men

who are Thoroughly acquainted and literate when it comes to the

scriptures.

They have elders and they have others in the church that may leads Bible studies that

Thoroughly have grounded them for many years in the Word of God.

And if historically we know that there are men Who have raised have been raised up by

God in very prominent positions in church history?

Who are highly respected even by the most brilliant scholars today?

Like Charles Adams Spurgeon, for instance who had no formal education at all in a religious sense that I'm aware of.

And there are others as well.

I believe that dr. Martin Lloyd -Jones Was educated in the field of medicine, but I'm

not sure if he had formal Theological training other than what he had learned in

church in his own study.

But what would be the compelling reasons why even a gifted?

person well grounded in the faith Fed properly in his church.

What would be the the reason why he should seek seminary training?

But on the other hand, it's not in today's world or

Martin Lloyd -Jones.

Most Most people are not that and that

gifted and even that discipline so they need instruction

of walk with them through Systematics and

the church history and the Old Testament New Testament and Greek and Hebrew.

Most most people are not inclined to pick up a Greek book on their own without

Lloyd -Jones who they

were self much of his Reading as

in his childhood in his I think it was grandfather's library.

So he read he read the stuff.

He read the material.

It just wasn't in a Academic

type pastor to get theological training.

But then on the other hand, it's kind

of the exception if you look around the world most pastors on the earth today

theological training most of them have never sat in a seminary because most of them are in places

like African Asia South America where there are very very

few

and

Gary

is just now starting seminary.

But his his call to be a pastor in the church was not dependent on him being in seminary because

of how well he's the exception

you desire to be pastors or

elders, but they They need more structured guidance.

Then.

What Gary has needed to them they would really need

more to be to be as equipped as he is.

So I think that most people if they have the opportunity would

benefit great training.

And we see this in in doctoral studies.

Probably half of the class are international students that

places like South Africa and Zambia.

And

the enormous value of sitting under the likes of Steve Lawson and John MacArthur

and Derek Thomas and Sinclair Ferguson and Alistair Begg and You know, these are the professors that

are teaching just being honest with

you those things and I am.

And so if people in My church have the opportunity to study under those guys

I would I would urge them to do many times

more able to train pastors Than I am.

That's the vision behind bring in

some of the world's leading Scholars

to train.

I don't know how long we have.

We're actually gonna get on our first break right now, but you can can continue your train of thought when we come back.

Yeah, and if you could Whatever mouthpiece or microphone or

phone receiver or whatever you're using if you could speak closer into it because you would

naturally have a quiet voice to begin with and We need as much amplification of your voice as possible because you do

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Before we go on to anything further that you'd like to say Andy.

We do have a listener Ronald in Eastern Suffolk County, Long Island, New York and

Ronald says as wonderful as seminary education is and a

glorious gift from God that he has trained up men and given them the

ambition and Desire and ability to form these great institutions of higher learning.

Isn't it very dangerous if we begin to act as if this is some kind of a biblical

requirement of?

Men for the pastoral ministry.

One of my Disagreements with my dearly beloved Presbyterian friends is that some of their

denominations actually require this.

For someone to be ordained Into the pastoral ministry in their denominations when the Bible

never makes any kind of requirement like that.

What are your thoughts

whether

you got

it?

You got to really speak up because we could barely hear you.

I'm sorry.

Okay, yeah, um, yeah, I see

that I think that there have been many godly wonderful pastors throughout

history.

The God is used and as as I

mentioned my co -pastor doesn't have a seminary degree and it does a

fine job.

So we're not at creating this

pure regulation.

I just see that that it is a Great help that many

many people do need.

Thrown on the inside a little bit when I see Certain organizations requiring that a man

must have an end live in order to be With them and I have.

I have seen those and as you mentioned, I believe the PCA requires it to be ordained.

But you know why they do it.

It's because not that likely to

pick up on your own and they want to ensure that you have it.

The original language is one of them.

Yeah.

Yeah, you have to take Greek and Hebrew and Honestly, very few people are going to do that on their own

so that's that's one of the major values.

In fact, I have heard from Greek scholars that

sometimes having some Knowledge of Greek and Hebrew

but not enough can make you more dangerous if you didn't have it.

Yeah, and but I I do know as you keep reiterating as far as

Gary Rosenblatt your co -pastor Not having formal seminary education my late

wife's Late pastor who's now in heaven with her Don blend.

He I'm not even 100 % sure he completed a high school education.

I know that he did not go to college of any kind.

He was a postal worker Until he retired but the man had an Encyclopedic knowledge

of the Bible and he had nearly a photographic memory as far as I could tell.

Just an amazing man, even though I didn't agree with him on everything that he believed or taught.

He was a Calvinistic Baptist, however but he he was just a remarkable man

a very knowledgeable man who when you brought up a subject he could immediately allude

to Scriptural references without even opening up a Bible very often.

He would just know them by heart.

But so but but the the in some sense

If a person who is in the pastoral ministry has the means To

enter into seminary if he had not already been educated like that in

that depth and Not only as the means but

the time and so on the support.

There is a certain level and I have to be careful, but this I'm not I'm not broad -brushing pastors who

don't have seminary educations, but there is a certain level of

Pride that may exist among some That do not believe that they need

any further education.

In fact historically there have even been denominations that divided Over this there were some

denominations that thought it was a sin to even create a seminary because it wasn't a biblical

concept in the New Testament to have a seminary, but Don't we have to be

all of us?

But especially perhaps those that are going to be shepherding God's flock have to be careful about not

having pride as a reason for not going to seminary.

If they if they can go if they can afford to go either because they are Already

financially well off enough to do that or if they have been provided the opportunity By others

who are generous and willing to give and they have enough time to do that Even before they enter into the ministry

You know It's they have to just be careful that pride isn't one of the reasons they forgo that and are you in

agreement with that?

Yeah,

yeah, there has

been

no Christianity before I arrived and now

Saints who've gone before us and we would be fooled to not learn from the people that God has given

to us to learn from.

Ephesians says there's their gifts to us to learn from through the teachers.

So I think that we need to we need to study to show ourselves improved under God and obviously that doesn't have to

look one.

Certain way, but but there is a way to do that and we call that center.

Oh, by the way, I want to give a shout -out.

To the congregation that was pastored by the late Don blend my wife's

Congregation where she was a member before we were married a First Baptist Church in Lindenhurst, Long Island I

just want to give a shout out to them since they were on my mind and Pastor Depresso has taken up the

mantle after my dear friend Don blend entered into eternity not long ago.

So I just hope all is going well with you folks.

There at First Baptist Church of Lindenhurst, Long Island we have An

anonymous listener Who says unless you're picking the right seminary cannot

entering into a seminary being one of the very worst decisions a young man

Aspiring to be a pastor can make because of the fact that there seems to be so few

Christian so -called seminaries in existence that are actually still faithful to the Word of God and

many young men have their minds polluted and wind up returning home as heretics and

Polluting the churches where they wind up shepherding.

Seminaries are

denominations have.

That a man must have an image in that a

man have an MD or

it's equal five years from now in ten years from now.

The

need

is there.

Man desires to be a fair training.

Which will

training because residential

I've experienced in residential is much much better than simply an online class.

We know your professor ride

an area that is here in North

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Arguably perhaps in the world the most religiously and ideologically diverse

and ethnically diverse City in the world perhaps a place that is really

in great need not only for biblically faithful churches.

But for institutions of higher learning like a good solid reform seminary.

It's amazing in a city that huge.

That there are not more congregations in existence that are theologically

sound when when people Ask for referrals from me to churches in New York City.

I'm very thankful that I now have New Covenant Church NYC.

To include amongst a tiny handful of churches that I could really with a good conscience

recommend.

I'm assuming that you would agree with me that there are few and far between in this huge city

churches that are truly and consistently faithful and loyal to the actual teachings

of the God -breathed scriptures.

Yeah.

Yes,

I would definitely

want you to do that when we return from our midway break.

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just have a couple of announcements in regard to upcoming events that you should be aware of.

Another event in New York City that I love attending and it was actually the very first place that I met

Andy Woodard that is the foundation's conference a conference of sermon audio in

the heart of Manhattan and this Year, the conference will be held Thursday and

Friday December 19th and 20th in Manhattan.

The roster includes a phenomenal lineup of speakers.

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our guest today Andy Woodard and he was

eager to help Andy promote this church when he learned of the Opportunity to do the

voiceover for the commercial, but he is on the roster.

He is the founder of one passion ministries Paul Washer who is an extraordinary pastor and preacher

as well.

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He's a tenor evangelist and author.

What an extraordinary preacher he is.

Reverend Jeff Thomas now retired from the pastoral ministry in Everest with Wales

Alfred Place Baptist Church is where he pastored for over half a century and He is also

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Reverend Armin Tamasian who has become one of my favorite preachers.

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As I said it is go.

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It's going to be held Thursday, January 16th through Saturday, January 18th At the Georgia

International Convention Center and as always they have an extraordinary lineup of speakers.

Kosti Hinn is one of these speakers.

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not only a profound and humble man of God rare combinations to have excellent

speaker.

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Kosti has renounced the word of faith heresies that he was raised in.

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Josh Bice the founder of the g3 conference.

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We are discussing a vision for a reform seminary in New York City, of course.

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so Andy if you could pick up where you left off on some more reasons why we need or especially how

why you and your fellow citizens of New York City need a reformed seminary.

All right,

so city being the

highest hill it is the most influential city and There's a reason the Pope called it the center

of the universe and there is very much a sense in which.

So, let's say America is kind of the leader of the free world and So at

the lead in the direction of much of us we see in

America New York is very much the kind of the financial

leader the cultural and

America and then of New York, it's really New York City and

Manhattan that set the pace when

we see this in history.

We see this even recently such a York City changed

the entire world.

Are you you kind of cut out there for a second?

So I'm not sure I get the full train of thought that you had.

You can you repeat what you just said?

Yeah that we see this even recently with in 9 -11 9 -11 changed the world.

Though that was that just happened here.

But now the entire world is impacted.

You also see the economic.

But we've seen as well as the religious impact of New York impacts the whole world.

Historically, we know the revival of 1857 that revival spread throughout the world such that

there's a book that banner of truth is telling called Spurgeon's revival year sermons from

1859.

That was the revival that started in New York City as it became a

global revival.

Now this impact.

There there are dangerous religious trends that come from New York and make their way.

Really that shocks me.

The.

World as well and the type of evangelicalism that is in New York Impacts

the rest of the world as well.

So the current president of the Southern Baptist Convention points to Tim Keller and says that he is his most

influential Preacher and pastor in his in his thinking if you listen to him

preach.

If you listen to J .D. Greer preach.

You'll hear Tim Keller in his voice.

So there's there's a certain type of here in New

York and that.

Impacts the rest of the country and I take it from your tone of voice that you don't.

You're not happy with that.

If you it's not whether I'm happy or not, that's Completely irrelevant.

The issue is that this is a type of church

ontologically different on

funded by.

Like it's being propped up by external source.

It's not

like if God Disappeared if God was not here.

Most of evangelicalism in New York City would not notice because

when believe in God they acknowledge God in some way.

But when it comes down to it, they're not really looking to him For much of anything.

I think in marketing and hiring your musicians.

We heard we heard at the banner conference and that is

the driving force of Manhattan evangelicalism and The result is it impacts?

Yeah, it seems that even when you look at very

historically Conservative denominations and

fellowships and brotherhoods within Christendom When they

have an arm or a representation in New York City They tend and I have to be

very careful not the broad brush.

They tend to be a lot more liberal than those same denominations or

fellowships or brotherhoods Have in the rest of the United States or

the world for that matter and it seems there is a desire to be

culturally relevant.

Where liberal elitism is King there perhaps

even if it's unconscious a Desperate attempt to win over people

that are a reflection of the liberal Tendencies of

many residents of New York City judging from who they elect into office very frequently.

So There there is it is a problem where you have

churches struggling desperately to survive.

They there's a greater temptation perhaps than many other places in the world To accommodate to

trends within liberalism.

Am I making myself clear and do you agree with what I'm saying?

Yeah, that's the

evangelical Mind, I think.

And then oh mind and his

it's not that there is no mind in evangelicalism it's that there is

no evangel in evangelicalism that the gospel itself has been lost and

we observe city that they're not truly

preaching the gospel and they are effectively being built on the backs of unconverted church

members.

And.

The pastors tell small group leaders Listen, you can't you can't confront false teaching in your small

group.

Or else the people of my own church members told me When he left his previous church

he left.

Because of those types of these problems are

I'm assuming that one of the reasons why you.

Believe a Solid

Institution of higher learning Is is a desperately needed

thing in New York City Especially since we are reformed and you are reformed that you'd want it from a

reformed perspective.

Obviously is because The the

theological competition if you will very often especially in places like

Manhattan appeal to the academic realm and to the

intellectual elite and to the Ivy League arena

of education and people think that these

prestigious schools Because of the long histories they have and because

of the perhaps brilliant yet heretical or lost

faculties that they have that in spite of Their being

far from biblically faithful People tend to think that they must have

the real answers to the the most vital and serious issues

That face all of us.

So having a reformed and biblically sound institution of higher learning

gives more Credibility to what the Bible actually teaches and I'm not saying that we

should cater to what lost men think

Is the most appropriate route to take in life or what makes

What what impresses the world but at the same time there there are

People in academia that need to be challenged and even in the form of formal debate in

other ways that just because they may have many letters

of The proof of their higher education and accomplishments

in life does not mean they're They even know the first thing about what the Bible teaches even if they've memorized

the Bible Doesn't mean that they know what it actually teaches.

Am I making sense here?

Yeah, definitely.

I think that we see

that issue educated at Cambridge and Oxford.

They had they had the highest and they used that

training as errors and the highest Heresies that were being promoted and

I think that that's why it would be such a benefit

and would rather than Scraping

the bottom of the barrel and saying well this person know their theology

doesn't really know the word.

Oh, but he sure is a nice guy.

You know, we need to be well and we're not trusting in our minds and our

our knowledge.

But there is the reality that we are a truth based religion.

We are a word -based religion, so we must know our stuff and

goes out and does public evangelism in Union Square with

Evangelical gospel tracts evangelism conversations and open -air preaching and Every

heretic and their brother comes out and sets up and these are all kinds of

false religions that you know most of us have never heard of before we run into them there and

To be able to

they must be able.

Time is this

year for us to dig deeper and lean in instead of being more Casual in our approach.

That's what you just said about Union Square reminded me of.

Speakers Corner in London, England, not that I've been there, but I've heard about This area of London

England where you have all kinds of religions and philosophies and ideologies representatives of

those those different trains of thought Who gathered together and very often are shouting over each

other and and so on.

I don't know if that shouting part is the what's going on in Union Square, but it just it just reminded me of it.

Yeah, well, I don't know if you have another

reason for New York needing a seminary.

New York City needing a seminary, but we do have a listener, which would you like to do first?

Okay, we have John and Bangor Maine who asks

From your knowledge of the history of the city of New York.

Are you aware of any? institutions of higher learning from a theological point of view that

have ever existed there that were truly biblically faithful,

you know, like a seminary a Bible College that from the

history of Manhattan New York City the five boroughs where.

It perhaps.

It had been known generally to the Christian community at large even nationally as a

as a center for higher learning that was theologically reformed biblically accurate.

Scripturally faithful, etc. I'm not aware

of.

That's an

interesting

point there and

liberals don't start seminaries.

They corrupt.

And I

think we

have to

be

careful

also not

to

give the impression.

That there are no schools that are run and

By by truly born -again people and who have a faculty of evangelicals and so on.

We're speaking of a specifically reformed school.

Not reform school where teenagers who are delinquents and criminals go.

I mean reform reformed school.

I know for instance, you know, we have King's College.

We have New York School of the Bible.

There are other places where there are evangelicals who are truly wonderful people and at

times brilliant people, but the schools are not uniformly and

specifically reformed.

Yeah.

Right and there are even Roman Catholics on the faculty and so.

And there's a New York

Divinity School that had a different name before that and yeah, and I know

President wonderful man, but it's not specifically unilaterally a reformed

institution.

Egalitarian as a unilateral.

Teaching that must be held by faculty or just that that there are some that are egalitarian or perhaps even women themselves

who teach there.

Then of course we do have some of our reformed institutions of higher learning that have females in the

faculty, but they're not teaching homiletics or something that would be Specifically

pastoral in nature.

Yeah, and of course, I guess there's debate over that as well amongst complementarians, but.

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And if you could Uh pastor andy conclude with your final point on this of how

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Um, yeah, um, so

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