Creation and Culture with Dan Biddle

It's that it's fascinating to me how easily someone in one religion can find the fallacies and biases in another religion. I think that. What's fascinating you're raised you're razor sharp on your your your criticism of islam here.

Yeah, and but what I find fascinating jeff is that You recognize that with other religions, but you don't do it with your own because I that may be the case.

And there's that confirmation bite coming up again. This is apologetics live to answer your questions your host from striving for eternity ministries.

Apologetics Live and the Guest Introduction

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There's a little icon there for stream yard. Click that join us and we'll answer your most difficult question. Just remember one thing though. I don't know is a perfectly good answer. So Uh, we have we're gonna do things a little different today because we have a guest i'm I am co-hostless.

Drew is not here tonight. And but I have uh, Dr. Dan biddle will be with us. We're going to talk about creation. We're going to talk about a new film that he's working on. And then he's got a jump At the second hour, so we're going to have him in only for the first hour so we're going to jump right into that and then I'll Jump to other people that come in and questions that folks have uh, so With that so we're going to do things a little different.

I have some things for in news section. But we're going to do that second hour. Let me bring in Dr. Dan.

How you doing? I'm doing great. Thanks for having me on.

We we have a mutual friend that that said, you know. Basically, I I think she put a gun to my head and said I had to get you on. I think that's sort of how it happened. But uh for for my audience if you wouldn't mind introducing yourself and your ministry that I just put up on on the uh.

On the screen there is a genesis apologetics .com if you wouldn't mind just introducing yourself in the ministry.

Sure. Yeah, we are a student focused ministry called genesis apologetics. Uh, the distinctions about us is that we are very video Based heavily video based and all of our materials and books are free.

They're all downloadable. We also have books available on pdfs that can be downloaded, but we really focus on k to college. But a lot of the heart of our ministry is towards junior hires and high schoolers as well.

And uh, yeah, i'm also the executive producer of a new movie, uh called the ark in the darkness that will be in Theaters about a thousand and two theaters. We just learned today. They picked it up a little bit.

Uh on march 20th and 21st is called the ark in the darkness and you can buy tickets and showtimes at noahsflood .com. So without the apostrophe s just plural noahsflood .com.

The Ark in the Darkness Trailer and Release Details

Yes, and we're gonna you know, I want to play and i'll. I'm, not sure which order you want to do it in. Whether you want me to play the trailer of that now or you you wanted to. You have a about 18 20 minute presentation that we you want to be able to do.

Talk about noah's flood. Which one do you want to do first? You want me to play the trailer? Yeah, let's go do the trailer first to.

To to show that and give a good idea what the movie's about. Yeah. All right.

So here's here's the trailer and I bring that up and uh. This is so this is uh, if you guys go to to noahsflood .com. Here here it is.

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Can only be described as. They will be surprised when jesus comes.

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All right so that.

That is for folks who are listening on audio. You'll have to go to noahs flood .com and uh, see the um, see it there, but uh, so so yeah, so. That is coming out soon. You can get tickets As it as was shown there at fathomevents .com.

Fathomevents or noahsflood .com. You can buy the tickets. Absolutely. Great. And did you want me to to dive into the 20 minute flood overview talk now or what do you what do you think?

Okay, let's do that.

Perfect. All right guys.

Well.

Evidence for Noah's Flood and Catastrophic Plate Tectonics

What I did is our movie really covers a lot of the the evidence for noah's flood, uh in a very in-depth way. It's an hour and 52 minute movie followed by a 20 minute post show. But what I did is I just pulled out I think what are some of the main key evidences for the flood.

And compressed them into this 40 slide PowerPoint deck that i'd like to cover and just uh, in fact, i'm going to set my timer to make sure I stay with it. But we'll do our best to stay within about 18 minutes or so.

So let's go ahead and and get started. We'll look at some of the key evidences for noah's flood so one of the main things to consider when we consider the flood is genesis 7 11 says that the All of the fountains of the great deep broke open on the same day.

And creationists who have studied this exhaustively with many phds in geophysics and other fields. Consider that to mean that the 40 000 mile Long oceanic rift system, which is it encompasses a globe about 1 .6 times over broke open.

So we're looking at the fountains of the great deep and on the right side there. You see the mid-atlantic ridge which is highlighted in yellow because there's perpendicular mountains on each side of it.

And then you can also see it on the image on on the left. But if you type in google bathymetric map, you'll see a much better highlighted version where you can see this rift system All over the world and we believe that it was this rift system That burst open or the hebrew talks about the idea cleaving open.

That's what commenced the flood and when it did it pushed the continents apart Catastrophically over the year-long flood. Here's what it would have looked like from a graphical standpoint when the fountains of the great deep break open.

You have molten magma coming up from the bottom and splitting apart the continents. Bursting out with critically superheated steam jets that come up linearly around the world. There's the oceanic ridge system breaking apart.

And when that the molten lava comes up it creates new sea floor. Which goes and hits the land masses binds then subducts and goes underneath. So for example on the west coast, we know the farallon plate subducted we can use underground X-rays and see that today we know that the sierra mountains Were pushed up when the farallon plate subducted.

And then when the fountains the great deep shut off it sunk the ocean floor by as much as a mile. Withdrawing the water from the continents in sheet flow to begin with and then channelized flow afterwards.

So that's an overview Of the mechanics of the flood. It's a theory known as catastrophic plate tectonics. Which the majority of creationists would adhere to that model. So there's even more sophisticated models that have proved that out.

Here's dr. John Baumgardner's model called terra. And many secular scientists and organizations have even ordered this software purchased it for thousands of dollars to model. Where where you where you can find coal and oil discoveries based upon the geophysics that dr. Baumgardner came up with.

Uh, he's, you know phd from geof from ucla about 40 years ago been studying the flood ever since. So there's lots of math lots of science behind this theory of how everything broke apart. The other main thing to think about is we just have to ask ourselves the question How do you bury a 1 ,800 mile long dinosaur kill zone?

That's 1 ,800 miles long a thousand miles wide over a million square miles and each one of those dots that you see there Is not one not two, but it's a mega bone bed. These are mega bone bed. Fossils all over the middle of america.

So how do you bury? You know millions of dinosaurs mixed with marine life in the middle of america. Sometimes under 50 or 100 feet of mud if you don't have a worldwide flood. And of course we have even more clues from the genesis account where genesis 8 -3 says.

The water is receded from the earth going forth and returning and at the end of the 150 days the water is decreased. So we have the zenith of the flood about day 150 and then we have the waters beginning to decrease after that.

But this could indicate even from the bible that we have tsunami like Systems going on that are systematically burying the dinosaurs. Let's just take an example. Uh, look at one of these called the tanna site in north dakota.

There are lots of situations like this. This is just one example. Uh, this is a huge dinosaur burial kill zone. That scientists believe was was uh was made by two different tsunamis. So there's an exquisite preservation with respect to the fish that are there the land creatures the fish.

Excuse me, they're all buried and mixed up together and they're exquisitely Preserved you can see the fish fins. I've still got the veins intact. A number of dinosaurs. They call them like beef jerky because there's a number of the tissues that have been preserved.

Very very fresh kill zone at the tannus location and they've attributed it to two different tsunamis. They didn't even determine the direction that the tsunamis came up made the muddy deposits sheet flowed back on.

Back off came back up and then sheet flowed back off. Here's an example from montana where they found the largest t-rex ever discovered. Uh, i'm going to go ahead and play that again, but that's I believe that's where they found B-rex under hundreds of feet of mud that was definitely laid down by tsunamis.

But evolutionists say that they were killed by an asteroid that land in the yucatan peninsula 2 000 miles south so if you can simulate that and just imagine what that would have looked like for the The asteroid to hit there it would have completely missed that 1800 mile kill zone that I just showed on your screen.

So the evolutionary explanation is very very lacking for the extinction of the dinosaurs. Because what we have in reality is a million square miles of dinosaurs buried in mud. Under 50 100 150 feet of mud.

And the chixulub asteroid that landed a couple thousand miles south of this location. Even under the most generous simulations would not have produced Mud that far north to bury these dinosaurs in 100 feet of mud along with sharks fish clam and other other marine life.

It was definitely the subduction that was causing from like on the west coast the ferulon plate being created rapidly subducting Underneath the the land like that and then bringing the water up from the west to the east.

Pushing the water in sheet flow over the continents burying dinosaurs and mass. The other Interesting indication that we have is we find these dinosaurs not only buried in mud sand and and and ash. It's not just one of those things that's a tip-off giveaway.

It's the fact that we're finding these dinosaurs buried in all three products. Mud sand and ash sometimes all three sometimes just two but in many situations We find these dinosaurs buried in a clue of this matrix.

It's those three different products put together. So we have subduction that's happening rapidly. And then it's creating subduction related volcanism that's pushing ash up into the atmosphere. Here's the independence dyke swarm.

It's a 375 mile long linear fissure and it's producing so much ash it covered and blanketed over half of america producing 4 000 cubic miles of ash. So just an amazing amazing evidence and here's a this is the brushy baser Member that will fly in here showing it's over 100 meters thick in utah.

Buried with ash so just huge amounts of ash that had to be produced quickly and catastrophically. Because the dinosaurs are buried in a snapshot of those three products. Mud and sand being brought up from the ocean and ash being produced by the rapidly subducting volcanoes.

So here's not just an idea comparison of how much ash was produced Within a period of just that one year during during the flood when you compare it to like mount saint helens. Which produces one quarter of a square mile of ash, but the independence dyke swarm produced 4 000 cubic miles of ash.

So many people remember mount saint helens when it blew up in the 80s. Blanketed over three states with ash it darkened the sun over three states for a couple days. That was just a very small eruption when you compare it to the independence like swarm that produced multiple times more ash.

And that's exactly what the dinosaurs were buried in and that's what the product that was responsible for killing them also. So it's quite interesting that we have all three of these products mixed up together mud sand and ash and we have catastrophic plate tectonics that would explain how you have these tsunamis because The the spreading seafloor binds against the land mass builds up tension releases.

Causing a bi-directional tsunami going up one going out to sea the other side bringing it up onto land and then we have subduction. Creating the ash so that's why dinosaurs are buried in all three products.

Here's another example called the morrison formation. This is a 13 State formation so it's hard to imagine that but it covers 13 states right in the middle of america. We'll zoom in here to just take a look at how thick this mud Pancake is that touches 13 States continuously.

So this is morrison Colorado we fly in and we see what's called the morrison formation here. It's a 300 foot thick mud pancake that's spread over 13 states. That's filled with dead dinosaurs and marine life.

So 300 feet thick we can fly in a plane just by comparison sake. We can drop in that 747 which is 230 feet. We can even put in the empire state building again just for scale, but imagine this mud deposit over 300 feet thick over 600 ,000 square miles over 13 states.

How do you do that without a worldwide flood? How much higher did the water have the breed be to deposit 300 feet of mud like a pancake and bury? 52 species of dinosaurs it had to be a worldwide flood.

So here's a picture of all of the creatures that are found buried in the and the jurassic morrison formation. Basically, every creature known in north america is found sandwiched in this mud pancake over 13 states.

And they all died at the same time. They're all there buried. So, you know, there's lots of different fossil occurrences. 37 genre 364 species of plants 52 species of dinosaurs and that's just what we found so far.

So it's not just the morrison formation. Here is the same dots from the fossil database showing that these deposits are all over The world each one of these dots representing a major major fossil find but there's not just you know California or the you know the states it's everywhere.

But you'll notice something else interesting when we piece these continents together rejoin africa. It perfectly notch fits right back into south america like this. So these dots when you join them back together show that there was an ecosystem.

They're a habitat. With plants and animals that were all living in these regions. Then you have the mid-atlantic ridge breaking open. So the fountains of the great deep burst forth and they quickly buried this whole ecosystem.

In mud sand and ash deposits right there. So we have this whole system that is there and then it gets split apart. So we can correlate these different, uh insects and plants and ferns and everything shane.

Look at that. They're matching on each side of the Of the continents and it's the same thing with the dinosaurs. You can go ahead and take these two continents move them apart and you can find brother sister dinosaurs on each side of these mass.

Matching continents that are now spread apart by over 2 000 miles of ocean. And the evidence just keeps being heaped up. This is a recent study of oil chemistry. That's been investigated showing that when you push these continents back together.

It was the same type of flora and fauna that was responsible for making that type of oil in those regions. Because over 12 samples of oil here have been measured and because oil has chemical signatures to them.

And when you put the continents back together, they're perfectly matching. Showing that whatever plant and animal life was there when the time Happened where they split is still present there on either side of the continents.

So again, just overwhelming proof that this flood happened and proof that it happened rapidly and recently. The last thing we'll go over is dinosaur soft tissue. This is a discovery that really has happened over recent years big time in the mid -2000s.

Here's a an example of a triceratops horn that's being stretched. Uh, mark armitage did this when you take. Uh, this is a triceratops horn you demineralize the bone put under a microscope. You can grab forceps and actually pull it and stretch it because the soft tissue is still present.

There's no way that bone that you're seeing there is 65 million years old. It should have all been gone, but they have soft tissue and there's over 120 peer-reviewed scientific journal articles that are found in secular science magazines that have substantiated 16 different types of bioorganic tissues that are still found in dinosaur bones.

These are things like blood vessels blood cells fex histones proteins collagen keratin. All of these things that they're recently discovering that have no business being in these bones that they really are.

Millions of years old the last two that were discovered recently is dinosaur cartilage and dinosaur nerve cells. That's uh, Bioorganic material 15 and 16. So who can imagine that we would have dinosaur cartilage and nerve stills Still intact if these bones are really 65 million years old.

So here's a list of 122 peer-reviewed journals. So this isn't just our our idea goes back about 50 years. But the but the the most shift that's happened in this area has really come Since the 70s on forward with the most predominant findings being happening Recently in the mid 2000.

Here's a dr. Mary Schweitzer found this here. We have red blood cells lined up in an artery from a dinosaur. Just as you can see it plain as day there. She calls it scissor lined up like a train. Collagen, however is the most ironclad evidence that Substantiates the younger time frame that these dinosaurs are very quickly because collagen is the soft Fibular material that is added to the bone mineral.

It's like a matrix. That's what bones are made of the hard part in the soft part. And collagen provides the soft flexible part of the bone matrix. And collagen has a known decay rate. Many scientists have studied collagen and its decay rate.

Scientists will put it at 10 000 years as a maximum shelf life or maybe a hundred thousand years. Some scientists will go 300 000 years. But the the most generous study will say maybe 900 000 years collagen could last out of the most ideal conditions.

But most scientists will say i'll give it a hundred thousand years or so. Which is still a very very high upper limit. But did you know that we find collagen in dinosaur bones? So there's no way from a scientific standpoint that these bones can be 65 million years old.

If they include collagen which they do and study after study showed that they have collagen. So in the 1970s. And and this is a bold statement. But I would I would challenge our more Skeptical viewers to pressure test what i'm about to say.

And go ahead and do your own research because we've done it a lot. I can emphatically state that in the 70s the state of the literature and the state of paleontology. Was that a hundred out of a hundred paleontologists would have said all dinosaur fossils are just rocks.

I'm 55 now when I went to high school. It was emphatically stated college same thing. Everyone was saying dinosaur bones are just they're not even bones are just dinosaur fossils and the dinosaur fossils are fully Permineralized rocks that replaced the original bone.

That was a perspective in the 1970s. Then in the mid -2000s, we start having articles like this come out dinosaur shocker probing the 68 million year old t-rex mary swipes were stumbled upon Astonishing signs of life that may radically change our view of these ancient beasts.

So they're admitting this like no one was expecting to find these dinosaur soft tissue. Here's another one in discover. They have entitled this one schweitzer's dangerous discovery. When this shy paleontologist found soft fresh looking tissue inside of a t-rex femur.

She erased a line between past and present then all hell broke loose. Because the field just kind of blew up when this happened because it spun it on its head. She even said in this article That I had one reviewer when she was trying to publish her findings about these soft tissues that she was finding.

But this one reviewer told her that he didn't care what the data said that he knew. That what I was finding wasn't possible. So she wrote back and said well what type of data would convince you and he said nothing.

Because again the field was certain before the mary's findings that dinosaurs were petrified rocks. Uh, here's another one from uh from phys org, um march of 24 2005 scientists discovered t-rex soft tissues.

And here we go conventional wisdom among paleontologists states that when dinosaurs died and became fossilized. Soft tissues didn't preserves. The bones were essentially transformed into rocks through the gradual replacement of all organic material by minerals.

New research by north carolina state university paleontologists, however could literally turn that theory inside out and that's exactly. What has happened? So the shift that we have in the 1970s maybe even the 1980s and 90s, but you're sure if you go back to the 70s 100 of of studied Credentialed paleontologists would have said all dinosaur fossils are rocks.

That was a prevailing view. Now in the 2020s zero of 100 paleontologists can say. All dinosaur rock fossils are rocks. And in fact 100 out of 100. Because of the ironclad case we have now of 122 peer-reviewed journal articles that have Substantiated this they have to say at least well many dinosaur fossils are bones.

And they also have to say that many dinosaur fossils are bones that have soft tissue. Organic to the creature not contamination, but organic to the creature. So is this really science? Are we really certain, you know, if we could go through this much of a radical shift.

Where we have a hundred percent of paleontologists saying one thing in the 70s. But now zero percent of them saying that just decades later. How certain can we be about evolutionary theory because it just completely did a 180.

Here's even the founding director of the royal trail museum the largest dinosaur museum in the world and he says. Usually most of the original bone is still present in a dinosaur fossil. So that's what they're what they're saying now.

So it really makes sense to me that these dinosaur bones are rapidly entombed In a flood that happened about four and a half thousand years ago, and they're definitely not 65 million years old. So I think with that we'll go ahead and uh and stop with my 20 minute talk and then uh, you can take it away.

Q&A on Flood Evidence, Ice Age, Lifespans, and the Canopy Theory

Yeah, no, this was I think I saw some some folks that were commenting. Um, and i'm going to put some of the some of these up because it was uh, you know, I know that um, Let me see if it was this one I think it was this one.

I wanted to um. So brother john is saying that this this information this was information overload for me, sorry, it's a lot taken so fast. Yes, john, you can always go back because I know he he was Posting and saying hey, can can you go back to some slides?

You can go back and re-watch the video. Um, And stop it take notes.

And I I would add to that that uh. What I just covered quickly because I wanted to make sure to sandwich a lot in that 15 to 20 minute period there Is just a a rip through the tips of the trees. I have an hour-long talk where we slow down and unpack a lot of the same information.

In fact, if you go to the last one I did called a bayside church bible conference I cover soft tissues and the the mechanics with that of um, noah's flood over like an hour and 10 minutes. So that would be a good one.

I would recommend go to our youtube channel and look at the bible conference 2024 talk that I gave.

Yeah, and that's you know, there was a lot of information.

It's.

There's some information you gave that i've heard some that I was really interesting because I never really thought about where all the Fossils are and how they're laid out and then the the arguments.

Okay. Well, let's let's examine this. So How how are you getting all this water? Yeah in the middle of the united states. But it's a local flood.

It's incredible, yeah, it certainly wasn't. Uh, wasn't a local flood, you know. Earth is currently three-fourths covered with water. And in the ocean basins, it's miles deep in many places. So the water that was involved in the flood is still present on earth.

You know, I remember watching uh on discovery channel. They did a. They were looking at the grand canyon. And they were showing from the sediment and different rock layers. That this had to have been a flood.

Because of where they end up seeing then they can basically look and show.

Where.

The the rock far away from the.

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You know from the grand canyon, they're like so it was a really big flood, but they go but it wasn't a global flood. It could and actually I think the way they worded it is it couldn't be a global flood so.

Yeah, the great canyon is interesting. In fact, um, most creationists do believe that it was actually a post flood formation that was related to the ice age I think. Um, and that's because we have a lot of different layers that are exposed all the way down to the basement rocks but yeah, many creationists would believe that that was a an ice age related flow, uh.

Formation when the hopi lake broke and the ice dam broke and then it just crashed down and carved that whole canyon out. So in that way, it would have been a local flood, but in many ways it was tied to the global flood.

Creation, Culture, and the Ark in the Darkness

So some some comments that came in when we're the uh. When we're playing the film, it's when kathy is saying looks like a great movie. Um, I I do. The the graphics that you had in that were very good.

In that film. Yeah, you know.

It's incredible. Ralph strin is our producer director of the movie and he's the one that did the the movie called genesis paradise lost. And it is the that movie is the most cinemagraphic Work on creation ever done in history as far as i'm concerned.

He got several rewards awards for it and it was on the top bestseller list. And and so ralph is a great animator. He's a visual effects artist by background. So the cgi in this in this movie, in fact just by by an insider secret here.

When you go see the movie on the big screen don't get out of your chair about minute 35. Don't go get popcorn. Don't run to the restroom. You have to stay in your seat at minute 35 because there's a five minute flood commencement scene coming that i've watched this movie 15 times because i'm the xp over the movie and I get to Watch it a lot and every time I watch it.

It is a goosebump situation. The music that comes on watching the flood and the water and the fountains of the great deep broke open. It's amazing. So, uh, I love the graphics of the movie too. Thanks for that comment.

Melissa is asking whether uh the name of the talk. I know it's flooded at bayside church.

Yeah, I think it's bayside church bible conference 2024 and then you can watch a lot of the uh, the evidence that I just downloaded like a fire hose. I put it to the garden hose speed during that talk.

So, uh. Standing for truth says, uh that you're the man.

So.

Thank you very much. Just run trying to stay my lane.

Yeah, yeah. John has a question for you and and Drew's not here to this. He kind of asked us of all the guests, but uh, he wants to know if you're a pre-millennialist or a post-millennialist.

Yeah, you know we do get into eschatology. Uh in this movie and it's one of the slightly more controversial parts of the movie. I think Most of christendom will be okay with the 85 of the movie that covers the flood.

I think our timeline might be a little bit controversial, but we do talk about The parallel of end times judgment because jesus himself drew that parallel to the flood. He says in Matthew 24 Just as it was in the days of noah.

So it will be in the coming of the son of man. People will be out having parties and getting married and doing all this stuff and suddenly destruction will be upon them. So I I believe in the end time judgment our movie doesn't take a particular position but we do say things like Wake up, everyone look around you.

The world is different and things are changing and they're changing more rapidly. You know when I was a teenager if you got caught with with marijuana in the high school, you'd go to juvenile hall. You know jail for teenagers.

And if you walked into macy's store for men and put on a shirt and tried to run out. You'd get tackled by a loss prevention officer and again hold off the juvenile hall, you know, but nowadays. You know many stores have a no chase policy.

You can walk into home depot grab what you want book it out the front door and they won't chase you. And in california can drive down the interstate. And dial one eight. Look at these big billboards and say 1 -800 weed to your front door.

You know and call the number and they'll drive up a Pack of marijuana for you to smoke. It's just so. The bible does say with respect to end times that lawlessness will increase in the end days. And there's a certain degree of numbing that people are going through right now.

Where they're just getting used to these things and covid shifted a lot of a lot of things. We can look at israel that's going on right now. There's there's wars. There's rumors of wars. Nation will rise against nation.

So I think the markers are pretty clear that we're heading into some interesting times. I don't know how much longer it's going to be around in everything. Um, but we need to look up because jesus says, you know, your redemption draws nigh.

When these things start happening, so the movie does cover a little bit of eschatology. So you didn't answer the question though, oh the question yeah, i'm a classic uh pre-tribulation Uh rapture guy and and I I believe i'm very much in alignment with john macarthur and that camp on when it comes to end times, so I which I would say is it's just very very classic.

Yeah.

Yeah, and and john likes to ask that of everyone. My my co-host is post mill. And i'm pretty mill and so he you know, but uh, we we got standing for truth says can't wait for the film. Uh, but another question that uh, john is asking of you is um, do you have any thoughts on a flat earth?

Yeah, uh rpr group just asked that we do A piece on how the flat earth is addressed with noah's flood. And wow, that was the first time that that had happened. I had to contact my my flat earth expert, uh, pat roy.

He's not a flat earther, but he's the one that produced a movie called faith on the edge, I believe. Which is a really well done video that addresses the flat earth idea. And so first I would approach that topic with a lot of compassion because I think a lot of the reasons.

That people adhere to ideas like the flat earth is from a genuine and in many cases deserved distrust of the mainstream Narrative and distrust of the government. I mean when my kids go to when they were in public school and they were going to Sixth grade and seventh grade earth history classes.

They were getting filled with propaganda. Pertaining to evolution that I don't agree with and it's not true. So there's a good reason to mistrust a lot of the mainstream narrative. But when you when you look at the flat earth and the flood there is some interesting parallels.

There are there because if the bible says that the water was was covering every high hill by 15 cubits. Which is 22 feet. Well, then wouldn't the water have just flowed right off the edges of the earth if it was uh.

If earth is flat there and I think uh from a practical standpoint, I think if there really Are edges you should be able to go there and take a selfie. You should be able to go there and get photo evidence of a disc or an edge or something like that.

So um, of course, we don't believe in the flat earth, but I I do want to have Empathy and sensitivity with people who believe that because you'd be surprised the number of people who do believe that um, I don't believe in the flat earth because observational science would uh Would show that that's not the case we can show a spherical earth using observational science.

So whereas evolution theory is based on historical science where you have to guess and make abstractions and everything but but creationists, uh Use observational science or the scientific method as a tool in the tool bag and that should be relied upon for those things.

Well, you you definitely won over someone here because john john says that. Uh, He says andrew one of the best guests you've had with the slideshow. Awesome awesome stuff dan.

Oh, that's that's great. Thank you. Thank you very much. I I agree with the first viewer though. It went pretty fast. I I normally like uh, like slowing down a lot, but I wanted you guys to just really see a very uh, you know a tour right over the tops of the trees of some of the main Fundamental evidences that are right there because you know.