Creation and Culture with Dan Biddle

It's that it's fascinating to me how easily someone in one religion can find the fallacies and

biases in another religion.

I think that.

What's fascinating you're raised you're razor sharp on your your your criticism of islam here.

Yeah, and but what I find fascinating jeff is that You recognize that with other religions, but you don't

do it with your own because I that may be the case.

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So Uh, we have we're gonna do things a little different today because we have a guest

i'm I am co -hostless.

Drew is not here tonight.

And but I have uh, Dr. Dan biddle will be with us.

We're going to talk about creation.

We're going to talk about a new film that he's working on.

And then he's got a jump At the second hour, so we're going to have him in only for the

first hour so we're going to jump right into that and then I'll Jump to other people that come in

and questions that folks have uh, so With that so we're going to do things a little different.

I have some things for in news section.

But we're going to do that second hour.

Let me bring in Dr. Dan.

How you doing?

I'm doing great.

Thanks for having me on.

We we have a mutual friend that that said, you know.

Basically, I I think she put a gun to my head and said I had to get you on.

I think that's sort of how it happened.

But uh for for my audience if you wouldn't mind introducing yourself and your ministry

that I just put up on on the uh.

On the screen there is a genesis apologetics .com if you wouldn't mind just introducing yourself in the ministry.

Sure.

Yeah, we are a student focused ministry called genesis apologetics.

Uh, the distinctions about us is that we are very video Based heavily video based and all of our

materials and books are free.

They're all downloadable.

We also have books available on pdfs that can be downloaded, but we really focus on k to

college.

But a lot of the heart of our ministry is towards junior hires and high schoolers as well.

And uh, yeah, i'm also the executive producer of a new movie, uh called the ark in the darkness that will be in

Theaters about a thousand and two theaters.

We just learned today.

They picked it up a little bit.

Uh on march 20th and 21st is called the ark in the darkness and you can buy tickets and showtimes

at noahsflood .com.

So without the apostrophe s just plural noahsflood .com.

Yes, and we're gonna you know, I want to play and i'll.

I'm, not sure which order you want to do it in.

Whether you want me to play the trailer of that now or you you wanted to.

You have a about 18 20 minute presentation that we you want to be able to do.

Talk about noah's flood.

Which one do you want to do first?

You want me to play the trailer?

Yeah, let's go do the trailer first to.

To to show that and give a good idea what the movie's about.

Yeah.

All right.

So here's here's the trailer and I bring that up and uh.

This is so this is uh, if you guys go to to noahsflood .com.

Here here it is.

Ever since.

It's.

Can only be described as.

They will be surprised when jesus comes.

Mark.

All right so that.

That is for folks who are listening on audio.

You'll have to go to noahs flood .com and uh, see the um,

see it there, but uh, so so yeah, so.

That is coming out soon.

You can get tickets As it as was shown there at fathomevents .com.

Fathomevents or noahsflood .com. You can buy the tickets.

Absolutely.

Great.

And did you want me to to dive into the 20 minute flood overview talk now or what do you what do you think?

Okay, let's do that.

Perfect.

All right guys.

Well.

What I did is our movie really covers a lot of the the evidence for noah's flood, uh in a

very in -depth way.

It's an hour and 52 minute movie followed by a 20 minute post show.

But what I did is I just pulled out I think what are some of the main key evidences for the flood.

And compressed them into this 40 slide PowerPoint deck that i'd like to cover and just

uh, in fact, i'm going to set my timer to make sure I stay with it.

But we'll do our best to stay within about 18 minutes or so.

So let's go ahead and and get started.

We'll look at some of the key evidences for noah's flood so one of the main things to

consider when we consider the flood is genesis 7 11 says that the All of the fountains of the

great deep broke open on the same day.

And creationists who have studied this exhaustively with many phds in geophysics and other fields.

Consider that to mean that the 40 000 mile Long oceanic rift system,

which is it encompasses a globe about 1 .6 times over broke open.

So we're looking at the fountains of the great deep and on the right side there.

You see the mid -atlantic ridge which is highlighted in yellow because there's perpendicular mountains on each

side of it.

And then you can also see it on the image on on the left.

But if you type in google bathymetric map, you'll see a much better highlighted version where you can

see this rift system All over the world and we believe that it was this rift system That burst

open or the hebrew talks about the idea cleaving open.

That's what commenced the flood and when it did it pushed the continents apart Catastrophically over the

year -long flood.

Here's what it would have looked like from a graphical standpoint when the fountains of the great deep break open.

You have molten magma coming up from the bottom and splitting apart the continents.

Bursting out with critically superheated steam jets that come up linearly around the world.

There's the oceanic ridge system breaking apart.

And when that the molten lava comes up it creates new sea floor.

Which goes and hits the land masses binds then subducts and goes underneath.

So for example on the west coast, we know the farallon plate subducted we can use underground X

-rays and see that today we know that the sierra mountains Were pushed up when the farallon plate subducted.

And then when the fountains the great deep shut off it sunk the ocean floor by as much as a mile.

Withdrawing the water from the continents in sheet flow to begin with and then

channelized flow afterwards.

So that's an overview Of the mechanics of the flood.

It's a theory known as catastrophic plate tectonics.

Which the majority of creationists would adhere to that model.

So there's even more sophisticated models that have proved that out.

Here's dr. John Baumgardner's model called terra.

And many secular scientists and organizations have even ordered this software purchased it for thousands of

dollars to model.

Where where you where you can find coal and oil discoveries based upon the geophysics that dr.

Baumgardner came up with.

Uh, he's, you know phd from geof from ucla about 40 years ago been studying the flood ever since.

So there's lots of math lots of science behind this theory of how everything broke apart.

The other main thing to think about is we just have to ask ourselves the question How do you bury

a 1 ,800 mile long dinosaur kill zone?

That's 1 ,800 miles long a thousand miles wide over a million square miles and each one of those dots that you

see there Is not one not two, but it's a mega bone bed.

These are mega bone bed.

Fossils all over the middle of america.

So how do you bury?

You know millions of dinosaurs mixed with marine life in the middle of america.

Sometimes under 50 or 100 feet of mud if you don't have a worldwide flood.

And of course we have even more clues from the genesis account where genesis 8 -3 says.

The water is receded from the earth going forth and returning and at the end of the 150

days the water is decreased.

So we have the zenith of the flood about day 150 and then we have the waters beginning to

decrease after that.

But this could indicate even from the bible that we have tsunami like Systems going on that are

systematically burying the dinosaurs.

Let's just take an example.

Uh, look at one of these called the tanna site in north dakota.

There are lots of situations like this.

This is just one example.

Uh, this is a huge dinosaur burial kill zone.

That scientists believe was was uh was made by two different tsunamis.

So there's an exquisite preservation with respect to the fish that are there the land creatures the fish.

Excuse me, they're all buried and mixed up together and they're exquisitely Preserved you can see the fish

fins.

I've still got the veins intact.

A number of dinosaurs.

They call them like beef jerky because there's a number of the tissues that have been preserved.

Very very fresh kill zone at the tannus location and they've attributed it to two

different tsunamis.

They didn't even determine the direction that the tsunamis came up made the muddy deposits

sheet flowed back on.

Back off came back up and then sheet flowed back off.

Here's an example from montana where they found the largest t -rex ever discovered.

Uh, i'm going to go ahead and play that again, but that's I believe that's where they found B -rex under

hundreds of feet of mud that was definitely laid down by tsunamis.

But evolutionists say that they were killed by an asteroid that land in the yucatan peninsula 2 000 miles

south so if you can simulate that and just imagine what that would have looked like for the The asteroid

to hit there it would have completely missed that 1800 mile kill zone that I just showed on your screen.

So the evolutionary explanation is very very lacking for the extinction of the dinosaurs.

Because what we have in reality is a million square miles of dinosaurs buried in mud.

Under 50 100 150 feet of mud.

And the chixulub asteroid that landed a couple thousand miles south of this location.

Even under the most generous simulations would not have produced Mud that far north to bury

these dinosaurs in 100 feet of mud along with sharks fish clam and other other marine life.

It was definitely the subduction that was causing from like on the west coast the ferulon plate being created rapidly

subducting Underneath the the land like that and then bringing the water up from the west to the

east.

Pushing the water in sheet flow over the continents burying dinosaurs and mass.

The other Interesting indication that we have is we find these dinosaurs not only buried in mud sand and

and and ash.

It's not just one of those things that's a tip -off giveaway.

It's the fact that we're finding these dinosaurs buried in all three products.

Mud sand and ash sometimes all three sometimes just two but in many situations We find these

dinosaurs buried in a clue of this matrix.

It's those three different products put together.

So we have subduction that's happening rapidly.

And then it's creating subduction related volcanism that's pushing ash up into the atmosphere.

Here's the independence dyke swarm.

It's a 375 mile long linear fissure and it's producing so much ash it

covered and blanketed over half of america producing 4 000 cubic miles of

ash.

So just an amazing amazing evidence and here's a this is the brushy baser Member that will fly

in here showing it's over 100 meters thick in utah.

Buried with ash so just huge amounts of ash that had to be produced quickly and

catastrophically.

Because the dinosaurs are buried in a snapshot of those three products.

Mud and sand being brought up from the ocean and ash being produced by the rapidly subducting volcanoes.

So here's not just an idea comparison of how much ash was produced Within a period of just that one

year during during the flood when you compare it to like mount saint helens.

Which produces one quarter of a square mile of ash, but the independence dyke swarm

produced 4 000 cubic miles of ash.

So many people remember mount saint helens when it blew up in the 80s.

Blanketed over three states with ash it darkened the sun over three states for a couple days.

That was just a very small eruption when you compare it to the independence like swarm that produced multiple

times more ash.

And that's exactly what the dinosaurs were buried in and that's what the product that was responsible for

killing them also.

So it's quite interesting that we have all three of these products mixed up together mud sand and ash

and we have catastrophic plate tectonics that would explain how you have these tsunamis because

The the spreading seafloor binds against the land mass builds up tension releases.

Causing a bi -directional tsunami going up one going out to sea the other side bringing it up onto land

and then we have subduction.

Creating the ash so that's why dinosaurs are buried in all three products.

Here's another example called the morrison formation.

This is a 13 State formation so it's hard to imagine that but it covers 13 states

right in the middle of america.

We'll zoom in here to just take a look at how thick this mud Pancake is

that touches 13 States continuously.

So this is morrison Colorado we fly in and we see what's called the morrison formation here.

It's a 300 foot thick mud pancake that's spread over 13 states.

That's filled with dead dinosaurs and marine life.

So 300 feet thick we can fly in a plane just by comparison sake.

We can drop in that 747 which is 230 feet.

We can even put in the empire state building again just for scale, but imagine this mud deposit

over 300 feet thick over 600 ,000 square miles over 13

states.

How do you do that without a worldwide flood?

How much higher did the water have the breed be to deposit 300 feet of mud like a pancake

and bury?

52 species of dinosaurs it had to be a worldwide flood.

So here's a picture of all of the creatures that are found buried in the and the jurassic morrison

formation.

Basically, every creature known in north america is found sandwiched in this mud pancake

over 13 states.

And they all died at the same time.

They're all there buried.

So, you know, there's lots of different fossil occurrences.

37 genre 364 species of plants 52 species of

dinosaurs and that's just what we found so far.

So it's not just the morrison formation.

Here is the same dots from the fossil database showing that these deposits are all over

The world each one of these dots representing a major major fossil find but there's not just you know

California or the you know the states it's everywhere.

But you'll notice something else interesting when we piece these continents together rejoin africa.

It perfectly notch fits right back into south america like this.

So these dots when you join them back together show that there was an ecosystem.

They're a habitat.

With plants and animals that were all living in these regions.

Then you have the mid -atlantic ridge breaking open.

So the fountains of the great deep burst forth and they quickly buried this whole ecosystem.

In mud sand and ash deposits right there.

So we have this whole system that is there and then it gets split apart.

So we can correlate these different, uh insects and plants and ferns and everything shane.

Look at that.

They're matching on each side of the Of the continents and it's the same thing with the dinosaurs.

You can go ahead and take these two continents move them apart and you can find brother sister

dinosaurs on each side of these mass.

Matching continents that are now spread apart by over 2 000 miles of ocean.

And the evidence just keeps being heaped up.

This is a recent study of oil chemistry.

That's been investigated showing that when you push these continents back together.

It was the same type of flora and fauna that was responsible for making that type of oil in those

regions.

Because over 12 samples of oil here have been measured and because oil has chemical

signatures to them.

And when you put the continents back together, they're perfectly matching.

Showing that whatever plant and animal life was there when the time Happened where they split is

still present there on either side of the continents.

So again, just overwhelming proof that this flood happened and proof that it happened

rapidly and recently.

The last thing we'll go over is dinosaur soft tissue.

This is a discovery that really has happened over recent years big time in the mid -2000s.

Here's a an example of a triceratops horn that's being stretched.

Uh, mark armitage did this when you take.

Uh, this is a triceratops horn you demineralize the bone put under a microscope.

You can grab forceps and actually pull it and stretch it because the soft tissue is still present.

There's no way that bone that you're seeing there is 65 million years old.

It should have all been gone, but they have soft tissue and there's over 120 peer -reviewed

scientific journal articles that are found in secular science magazines that have

substantiated 16 different types of bioorganic tissues that are still found

in dinosaur bones.

These are things like blood vessels blood cells fex histones proteins collagen keratin.

All of these things that they're recently discovering that have no business being in these bones that they really are.

Millions of years old the last two that were discovered recently is dinosaur cartilage and

dinosaur nerve cells.

That's uh, Bioorganic material 15 and 16.

So who can imagine that we would have dinosaur cartilage and nerve stills Still intact if

these bones are really 65 million years old.

So here's a list of 122 peer -reviewed journals.

So this isn't just our our idea goes back about 50 years.

But the but the the most shift that's happened in this area has really come Since the 70s

on forward with the most predominant findings being happening Recently in the mid 2000.

Here's a dr. Mary Schweitzer found this here.

We have red blood cells lined up in an artery from a dinosaur.

Just as you can see it plain as day there.

She calls it scissor lined up like a train.

Collagen, however is the most ironclad evidence that Substantiates the

younger time frame that these dinosaurs are very quickly because collagen is the soft

Fibular material that is added to the bone mineral.

It's like a matrix.

That's what bones are made of the hard part in the soft part.

And collagen provides the soft flexible part of the bone matrix.

And collagen has a known decay rate.

Many scientists have studied collagen and its decay rate.

Scientists will put it at 10 000 years as a maximum shelf life or maybe a hundred thousand years.

Some scientists will go 300 000 years.

But the the most generous study will say maybe 900 000 years collagen could last out of the most

ideal conditions.

But most scientists will say i'll give it a hundred thousand years or so.

Which is still a very very high upper limit.

But did you know that we find collagen in dinosaur bones?

So there's no way from a scientific standpoint that these bones can be 65

million years old.

If they include collagen which they do and study after study showed that they have collagen.

So in the 1970s.

And and this is a bold statement.

But I would I would challenge our more Skeptical viewers to pressure test what i'm about

to say.

And go ahead and do your own research because we've done it a lot.

I can emphatically state that in the 70s the state of the literature and the state of paleontology.

Was that a hundred out of a hundred paleontologists would have said all dinosaur fossils are just

rocks.

I'm 55 now when I went to high school.

It was emphatically stated college same thing.

Everyone was saying dinosaur bones are just they're not even bones are just dinosaur fossils and the

dinosaur fossils are fully Permineralized rocks that replaced the original bone.

That was a perspective in the 1970s.

Then in the mid -2000s, we start having articles like this come out dinosaur shocker

probing the 68 million year old t -rex mary swipes were stumbled upon Astonishing signs of life that may

radically change our view of these ancient beasts.

So they're admitting this like no one was expecting to find these dinosaur soft tissue.

Here's another one in discover.

They have entitled this one schweitzer's dangerous discovery.

When this shy paleontologist found soft fresh looking tissue inside of a t -rex femur.

She erased a line between past and present then all hell broke loose.

Because the field just kind of blew up when this happened because it spun it on its head.

She even said in this article That I had one reviewer when she was trying to publish her findings about these soft

tissues that she was finding.

But this one reviewer told her that he didn't care what the data said that he knew.

That what I was finding wasn't possible.

So she wrote back and said well what type of data would convince you and he said nothing.

Because again the field was certain before the mary's findings that dinosaurs were

petrified rocks.

Uh, here's another one from uh from phys org, um march of 24 2005

scientists discovered t -rex soft tissues.

And here we go conventional wisdom among paleontologists states that when dinosaurs died and became fossilized.

Soft tissues didn't preserves.

The bones were essentially transformed into rocks through the gradual replacement of all organic material

by minerals.

New research by north carolina state university paleontologists, however could literally turn that theory

inside out and that's exactly.

What has happened?

So the shift that we have in the 1970s maybe even the 1980s and 90s, but you're sure if you go

back to the 70s 100 of of studied

Credentialed paleontologists would have said all dinosaur fossils are rocks.

That was a prevailing view.

Now in the 2020s zero of 100 paleontologists can say.

All dinosaur rock fossils are rocks.

And in fact 100 out of 100.

Because of the ironclad case we have now of 122 peer -reviewed journal articles that have

Substantiated this they have to say at least well many dinosaur fossils are bones.

And they also have to say that many dinosaur fossils are bones that have soft tissue.

Organic to the creature not contamination, but organic to the creature.

So is this really science?

Are we really certain, you know, if we could go through this much of a radical shift.

Where we have a hundred percent of paleontologists saying one thing in the 70s.

But now zero percent of them saying that just decades later.

How certain can we be about evolutionary theory because it just completely did a 180.

Here's even the founding director of the royal trail museum the largest dinosaur museum in the world and he

says.

Usually most of the original bone is still present in a dinosaur fossil.

So that's what they're what they're saying now.

So it really makes sense to me that these dinosaur bones are rapidly entombed In a flood that happened

about four and a half thousand years ago, and they're definitely not 65 million years old.

So I think with that we'll go ahead and uh and stop with my 20 minute talk and then uh, you can take

it away.

Yeah, no, this was I think I saw some some folks that were commenting.

Um, and i'm going to put some of the some of these up because it was uh, you know, I know that um,

Let me see if it was this one I think it was this one.

I wanted to um.

So brother john is saying that this this information this was information overload for me, sorry, it's a lot taken so fast.

Yes, john, you can always go back because I know he he was Posting and saying hey, can can you go

back to some slides?

You can go back and re -watch the video.

Um, And stop it take notes.

And I I would add to that that uh.

What I just covered quickly because I wanted to make sure to sandwich a lot in that 15 to 20 minute period there

Is just a a rip through the tips of the trees.

I have an hour -long talk where we slow down and unpack a lot of the same information.

In fact, if you go to the last one I did called a bayside church bible conference

I cover soft tissues and the the mechanics with that of um, noah's flood over like an hour and

10 minutes.

So that would be a good one.

I would recommend go to our youtube channel and look at the bible conference 2024 talk that I gave.

Yeah, and that's you know, there was a lot of information.

It's.

There's some information you gave that i've heard some that I was really interesting because I never

really thought about where all the Fossils are and how they're laid out and then the the

arguments.

Okay.

Well, let's let's examine this.

So How how are you getting all this water?

Yeah in the middle of the united states.

But it's a local flood.

It's incredible, yeah, it certainly wasn't.

Uh, wasn't a local flood, you know.

Earth is currently three -fourths covered with water.

And in the ocean basins, it's miles deep in many places.

So the water that was involved in the flood is still present on earth.

You know, I remember watching uh on discovery channel.

They did a.

They were looking at the grand canyon.

And they were showing from the sediment and different rock layers.

That this had to have been a flood.

Because of where they end up seeing then they can basically look and show.

Where.

The the rock far away from the.

Um.

You know from the grand canyon, they're like so it was a really big flood, but they go but it wasn't a global flood.

It could and actually I think the way they worded it is it couldn't be a global flood so.

Yeah, the great canyon is interesting.

In fact, um, most creationists do believe that it was actually a post flood formation that was related to the ice

age I think.

Um, and that's because we have a lot of different layers that are exposed all the way down to the basement rocks but yeah, many

creationists would believe that that was a an ice age related flow, uh.

Formation when the hopi lake broke and the ice dam broke and then it just crashed down and carved that whole

canyon out.

So in that way, it would have been a local flood, but in many ways it was tied to the global flood.

So some some comments that came in when we're the uh.

When we're playing the film, it's when kathy is saying looks like a great movie.

Um, I I do.

The the graphics that you had in that were very good.

In that film.

Yeah, you know.

It's incredible.

Ralph strin is our producer director of the movie and he's the one that did the the movie called genesis

paradise lost.

And it is the that movie is the most cinemagraphic Work on creation ever done in history as far as i'm

concerned.

He got several rewards awards for it and it was on the top bestseller list.

And and so ralph is a great animator.

He's a visual effects artist by background.

So the cgi in this in this movie, in fact just by by an insider secret here.

When you go see the movie on the big screen don't get out of your chair about minute 35.

Don't go get popcorn.

Don't run to the restroom.

You have to stay in your seat at minute 35 because there's a five minute flood commencement scene

coming that i've watched this movie 15 times because i'm the xp over the movie and I get to

Watch it a lot and every time I watch it.

It is a goosebump situation.

The music that comes on watching the flood and the water and the fountains of the great deep broke open.

It's amazing.

So, uh, I love the graphics of the movie too.

Thanks for that comment.

Melissa is asking whether uh the name of the talk.

I know it's flooded at bayside church.

Yeah, I think it's bayside church bible conference 2024 and then you can watch a

lot of the uh, the evidence that I just downloaded like a fire hose.

I put it to the garden hose speed during that talk.

So, uh.

Standing for truth says, uh that you're the man.

So.

Thank you very much.

Just run trying to stay my lane.

Yeah, yeah.

John has a question for you and and Drew's not here to this.

He kind of asked us of all the guests, but uh, he wants to know if you're a pre -millennialist or a post

-millennialist.

Yeah, you know we do get into eschatology.

Uh in this movie and it's one of the slightly more controversial parts of the movie.

I think Most of christendom will be okay with the 85 % of the movie that covers the flood.

I think our timeline might be a little bit controversial, but we do talk about The parallel of

end times judgment because jesus himself drew that parallel to the flood.

He says in Matthew 24 Just as it was in the days of noah.

So it will be in the coming of the son of man.

People will be out having parties and getting married and doing all this stuff and suddenly destruction will be upon them.

So I I believe in the end time judgment our movie doesn't take a particular

position but we do say things like Wake up, everyone look around you.

The world is different and things are changing and they're changing more rapidly.

You know when I was a teenager if you got caught with with marijuana in the high school, you'd go to juvenile hall.

You know jail for teenagers.

And if you walked into macy's store for men and put on a shirt and tried to run out.

You'd get tackled by a loss prevention officer and again hold off the juvenile hall, you know, but nowadays.

You know many stores have a no chase policy.

You can walk into home depot grab what you want book it out the front door and they won't chase you.

And in california can drive down the interstate.

And dial one eight.

Look at these big billboards and say 1 -800 weed to your front door.

You know and call the number and they'll drive up a Pack of marijuana for you to smoke.

It's just so.

The bible does say with respect to end times that lawlessness will increase in the end days.

And there's a certain degree of numbing that people are going through right now.

Where they're just getting used to these things and covid shifted a lot of a lot of things.

We can look at israel that's going on right now.

There's there's wars.

There's rumors of wars.

Nation will rise against nation.

So I think the markers are pretty clear that we're heading into some interesting times.

I don't know how much longer it's going to be around in everything.

Um, but we need to look up because jesus says, you know, your redemption draws nigh.

When these things start happening, so the movie does cover a little bit of eschatology.

So you didn't answer the question though, oh the question yeah, i'm a classic uh pre -tribulation

Uh rapture guy and and I I believe i'm very much in alignment with john macarthur

and that camp on when it comes to end times, so I which I would say is it's just very

very classic.

Yeah.

Yeah, and and john likes to ask that of everyone.

My my co -host is post mill.

And i'm pretty mill and so he you know, but uh, we we got standing for truth says can't

wait for the film.

Uh, but another question that uh, john is asking of you is um, do you have

any thoughts on a flat earth?

Yeah, uh rpr group just asked that we do A piece on

how the flat earth is addressed with noah's flood.

And wow, that was the first time that that had happened.

I had to contact my my flat earth expert, uh, pat roy.

He's not a flat earther, but he's the one that produced a movie called faith on the edge, I believe.

Which is a really well done video that addresses the flat earth idea.

And so first I would approach that topic with a lot of compassion because I think a lot of the reasons.

That people adhere to ideas like the flat earth is from a genuine and in many cases

deserved distrust of the mainstream Narrative and distrust of the government.

I mean when my kids go to when they were in public school and they were going to Sixth

grade and seventh grade earth history classes.

They were getting filled with propaganda.

Pertaining to evolution that I don't agree with and it's not true.

So there's a good reason to mistrust a lot of the mainstream narrative.

But when you when you look at the flat earth and the flood there is some interesting parallels.

There are there because if the bible says that the water was was covering every high hill

by 15 cubits.

Which is 22 feet.

Well, then wouldn't the water have just flowed right off the edges of the earth if it was uh.

If earth is flat there and I think uh from a practical standpoint, I think if there really

Are edges you should be able to go there and take a selfie.

You should be able to go there and get photo evidence of a disc or an edge or something like that.

So um, of course, we don't believe in the flat earth, but I I do want to have

Empathy and sensitivity with people who believe that because you'd be surprised the number of people who do believe that

um, I don't believe in the flat earth because observational science would uh

Would show that that's not the case we can show a spherical earth using observational science.

So whereas evolution theory is based on historical science where you have to guess and make abstractions and

everything but but creationists, uh Use observational science or the scientific method as a

tool in the tool bag and that should be relied upon for those things.

Well, you you definitely won over someone here because john john says that.

Uh, He says andrew one of the best guests you've had with the slideshow.

Awesome awesome stuff dan.

Oh, that's that's great.

Thank you.

Thank you very much.

I I agree with the first viewer though.

It went pretty fast.

I I normally like uh, like slowing down a lot, but I wanted you guys to just really see a

very uh, you know a tour right over the tops of the trees of some of the main

Fundamental evidences that are right there because you know.

There's not a little rabbit trail for you.

Isn't it amazing in second peter three how peter who only wrote a small scrap of scripture?

A little section of the bible is written by peter and he says and he's closing out his book.

It's in second peter chapter three.

He says look above all else.

Just know this that in the last days Scoffers are going to come and they're going to be denying and scoffing three things.

They're going to deny that jesus is coming back.

They're going to deny that x you know creation out of nothing ex nihilo.

Where they that god created out of nothing and they're going to deny a worldwide flood.

And that's exactly what we see in today's culture and in today's educational environment.

You can't get a college degree Without being indoctrinated that those three things are

definitely not true.

In fact, you have to take core curriculum classes like geology anthropology biology and all of those classes

are going to teach Evolution over millions of years and there's no worldwide flood.

So it's a it's a very interesting time that we live in in that way.

So.

Let me ask some questions that I know come up with this topic.

Um.

With the flood.

We we we see in schools where they talk about, you know, there were these different ice ages millions of years ago.

Do you do you believe we that there was an ice age.

And second do you if you do think so do you think it was caused by the flood and and how.

Yeah, so again, let me be really bold about this.

I I know there was an ice age.

I have no question that there was.

And I can say emphatically that there was one large -scale ice age and I can even tell you the

reason why it happened.

Where it's which is interesting because evolutionists.

Even phd scientist evolutionists can't say.

Any of the things that I just said.

They don't know if there is five days ice ages or some people say it was six.

They can't tell you when they happened.

I can tell you that there was one and I can tell you when it happened and why it happened.

It happened because of three reasons.

So if the flood was this global catastrophic event and cpt or catastrophic plate.

Tectonics is true where you have the the molten lava coming up and turning into new seafloor.

Which is rapidly spreading and you've got the linear steam jets creating all the critically Superheated

water.

You have aerosols coming up from the volcanism.

You have hot oceans and you have evaporation.

So those three things are a perfect worldwide condition for causing the one single

ice age.

That was in full effect about a hundred years after the flood and actually lasted for another 900 so

it was about a thousand year process and.

And it definitely happened and the flood was the mechanism for it.

It was a perfect storm because you have the heated oceans that resulted in lots of evaporation.

And then when you have all this subduction going on and massive volcanism like the independence like swarm that I showed you.

Those aerosols spray into the atmosphere and block the sun.

So it was a perfect situation for the one major ice age to hit earth.

So.

I you know the question i'd like to to ask when I get someone talking of creation.

Because they're.

When uh, there's been a shift in.

With some regarding the ages of people, right?

So we have in scripture people living hundreds of years before the flood.

After the flood.

Mm, you know more of our lifetime, you know, 70 60 70 years.

So.

The.

Prevailing argument that it used to be was that there was this canopy that broke

With the flood and then and and there's now more radiation things like that.

Would you hold to a canopy view?

Would you well?

And and if you don't hold to a canopy view, what would be your.

You're thinking of why the age is drastically reduced.

Yeah, so let me do the age thing first and i'll address the canopy next if that's okay.

So Recent scientific analyses have come out and i'm going to attribute

Dr. John Sanford for this.

I think he was really the first guy.

He's a geneticist from cornell university.

There may have been others but I really think he championed the the true theory about why people lived

so far.

So long before the flood.

So here's how it works before the flood.

The the average lifespan of the patriarchs if you take out enoch who was trans, you know Transmuted up to

be with god your average lifespan is about 912 years and suddenly at the flood.

They go through they don't fall off a cliff and go from 900 down to 70 or 100.

They systematically start at 912 and they hit the flood then they go down a slope

a predictable slope a scientific slope 600 500 400 you get the pay leg.

He's 239.

Shem was 600.

So that was noah's son.

So you got shem at 600 and pay legs 239.

Abraham's 175 all the way down to moses is 120 and there are several in between.

So it's amazing because when you plot the date the data out, it's incredibly scientific.

Look, I was a testifying expert in state and federal court cases dealing with research statistics regression.

All of that stuff for about 20 years and i've never seen such a beautiful scientific

argument from a historical ancient book because the r square of the of the data plot when it goes down

which is the Technical term for the percentage of the data points that are predicted by the line

is 0 .95 and and that's.

It's significant at the point zero zero zero zero zero one level.

And it's because it falls down and what's called an exponential decay curve or it's called a power

law curve.

So we really have two options going on because those lifespans those declining lifespans were recorded

by the bible transcribers.

Over about 2900 years covering over 30 individuals.

So either those people who were writing in the sheep herders who were writing with pelt, you know with

with feathered pens on animal parchment.

Were declining the lifespans in a way that was a cohesive lie that spanned multiple generations and they

would have been scorned for that.

And they knew polynomial math to slope it down systematically like they did.

Or.

Those are real lifespans.

That show what's called a biological decay curve because when you take all of humanity before the flood.

Might have been millions of people before the flood and you bottleneck them down to just eight people who are on the arc.

And you squeeze that population those eight people get off the arc begin interbreeding and when they

do.

Their mutations in their gene pool begin exponentially increasing.

Which shortens lifespans exponentially?

And dr. John Sanford has exhaustively vetted this out and proved it scientifically showing

that's exactly what would happen.

And that's what did happen with respect to the lifespans.

Um, your next question was about the canopy theory.

And that again is a controversial one.

That the classical canopy theory that many creationists held to maybe a few decades ago

Is not predominantly held but the leading scientists that we work with with like answers and genesis and the institute for creation

research but I can say From scripture and from science that the earth climate is

radically different when you compare the pre -flood world.

To the post -flood world.

Peter even says the world that then was was destroyed with water.

We have a temperate condition because adam and eve are walking around without any clothes on.

You know, so it was a great condition the water used to.

Rain came from the earth from the bottom of the earth to something came up from to water the plants.

So that's a different kind of thing going on now.

We have the rainbow after the flood.

So maybe that was some atmospheric changes and then we have a lot of a harsher climate as well.

And we have animals that lived in the pre -flood world that are now buried in the fossil record.

Like sauropod dinosaurs that have nasal passages that are only twice the size of a modern day horse.

But they weighed a hundred thousand pounds.

There's no way to get enough oxygen in a creature like that in today's earth climate for them to still

live.

So they had to live only before the flood these huge flying pterodactyls with 50 foot wingspans that

weighed 600 pounds.

Well, it's really hard in today's earth climate to get a 600 pound bird to flap its wings and fly.

So there was something going on in the past.

We don't know what it was.

It could have been it could have been pressure.

It could have been oxygen layers or levels or different types of oxygen.

But the world was different, uh before the flood than what it is now.

Yeah, I mean it's a thing where I think that uh

Oxygen levels might have been different.

You know that that's you know, we just the whole thing is we don't know uh, what

was The world like before the flood.

Which is a key thing that when you hear.

You know, you hear someone that's arguing for evolution.

They're.

They're trying to take what we could look at today because that's all we have.

And then try to make it fit.

Something that they want want it to say.

And.

We we always have you know the I always say if you want.

The.

The scientific evidence.

For how the world began.

There's only one place you can go.

It's called scripture.

Because you need someone that You know can create the experiment observe it and record it and that's in the

bible.

You need an eyewitness.

Yeah Jody Jody says this.

Um.

She says I was taught growing up That the ice age dinosaurs etc were falsehoods

Uh created by satan to fool people and make them not believe the bible.

She later said she doesn't believe that anymore.

The the.

The thing though is that I find is that if you actually were to look at Dinosaurs

and all this stuff.

They actually support the bible for one.

In the bible.

Yeah, that's that's a great point and I really appreciate that because I monitor a lot of our our

ministry social media pages and a lot of christians do have that position.

Either there was no dinosaurs.

They were an invention.

They were.

I all died in satan's flood.

There's all kinds of different ideas there.

Um, I can say very lovingly and with a lot of truth.

Look, they're real.

I've seen them.

I i've traveled to canada looked at the bone beds montana looked at the bone beds.

They're real.

They lived recently they died in the flood and in job chapter 40 we have one

species of dinosaur that's exhaustively explained by god himself with 14 different characteristics that

Absolutely fit a sauropod dinosaur and in job chapter 41 We have the description

of leviathan which in our opinion was a dinosuchus.

A super croc and we have a lot of evidence to support that also.

On our website or you can just type in and google I think Leviathan genesis apologetics,

you'll see our video there.

But a lot of people have differing views on dinosaurs.

I'm hoping that our movie will try to set the record straight as much as possible.

And we want to be sensitive with people.

Like I I wasn't a creationist either until about 12 years ago and then god opened my eyes to allow me to see this truth

so it was you know, I I didn't figure this stuff out because I'm a smart guy or like

evidence or I read read a lot.

God allowed me to see the truth of creation be for one reason alone.

First of all, it was a gift and it was a gift that I received because I was willing to submit myself under scripture.

And it was only then when I was willing to submit myself under scripture like a humble three -year -old that god

basically Metaphorically said to me come here son now that you went under the limbo bar and

you've become humble.

I have some things I want to show you.

And I took a journey out to canada montana and became exhaustively convinced.

That the dinosaurs lived and they were thriving and they died as a punishment for the fall of man.

Yeah, I I think that uh.

So we end up with is the fact that The more we study science

The more it supports scripture.

Yeah, and i'm trying to remember who it was.

I think it was I can't remember for r .c. Sproul or james boyce.

I I want to say it was boyce.

But but then.

It was on a chalkboard.

So that's usually r .c. Sproul that always used to have to have a chalkboard, but He made the argument.

He just drew like had a line and he said the more that we look into.

Whether it's dinosaurs or you know archaeology whatever the

the arguments.

Just keep filling in, you know, he'd have a he had a line, but it had dashes like some gaps in the line.

And he just kept filling in and he said this this more we study all it's doing is filling in.

There's never a point that we're erasing something from the bible and going.

Oh.

That's you know.

That is just wrong.

You're always filling in the gap.

That we're learning more we're getting more information.

And there's not a time that we're saying.

Oh the information in the bible is wrong.

We're always getting to the point of oh, well, there's no city.

You know, there's different cities that are mentioned in the bible and they say that that city never existed or or king

david, I mean there there wasn't a record of king david for for many years.

Well now we have that right in that line.

Yes.

So so true.

Now, unfortunately, I do have to hop in about two minutes for my next interview.

But I would love to see if there's any other questions we could do to uh, from from folks.

If they have any questions or if you've got any questions I got this is something I could stay with you for the next two hours.

This is fun.

Yeah, well, we we we'll be going for another hour.

So i'll probably get a lot more questions after you.

We had one question from someone who I guess missed the beginning and asked.

He asked, uh.

What you.

What were your thoughts about a new film called the ark and the darkness?

Yes, well.

That's the one we're really excited about that.

So we're we're putting that movie in the theaters on march 20th and 21st.

And we just learned today from fathom that our ticket sales are are really strong.

They're all very pleased over there.

Over 20 000 tickets sold so far and the line is just going up.

Which is great.

And they added some more theaters, so we'll be in a thousand and two theaters.

But if they just go to noahsflood .com You can find tickets and showtimes there.

Well, I want to thank you for for coming on again for folks.

Uh, let me put up the uh, the links for for your ministry is

genesisapologetics .com.

And then if you want for the for the film to get your tickets, it's noahsflood .com.

So those are the ones to to check out.

Um, Looking forward to to seeing this film.

So glad that you were able to come on.

I knew we we only had an hour with you.

So I appreciate you coming on and that was great.

You know, we'll it's it's going to be you know, it'll be neat to see.

I really liked the what I saw as far as the graphics that you had is really you know.

There was a time when when christians did movies.

They were just cheesy and I think we've gotten past.

Oh.

That's true.

Well, thanks for the people like ralph brennan.

We are he's done a great job and we're really really proud to stand behind this movie.

So.

Yeah, well, thanks for having me again.

And this is great and we'll have to do it again.

Maybe when the movie comes, uh after the movie comes out, yeah, we could do a movie review.

I like that.

Oh, that's a great idea.

I would love it.

Well, thanks a lot.

Thanks guys.

Goodbye to all your listeners.

I really enjoyed the program.

It was fun.

All right.

Well, you're welcome anytime.

Every thursday night we do this and you can come in and you know if.

Well, let's definitely do that and we'll save up some of the good questions you have on the flood and we'll come out again.

And do it.

All right, that sounds good.

All right.

Sounds good.

Thanks guys.

God bless.

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Uh, but uh, you can come on back in so I had some stuff that I was going to go over with my

co -host Who's not here?

But um.

Uh, I want to go through.

I know that there's probably a lot of people not watching tonight.

There's there's lots of different activities tonight.

I know that uh right now we have the the james white Uh flatten

latent flowers debate I was I was thinking of like just streaming that had we not had dan

here and just do like live comments Through the debate, but I even though I I haven't watched it yet.

Let me tell you the how the debate went down.

Okay, this is how it's going to be and you can go watch that debate and we'll see whether i'm right.

James white is going to be providing some biblical arguments as they address.

I think it's uh, john six I forget which verse but they're they're addressing a specific

verse.

And so basically the way that debate's going to go down is james white is going to exegete through the passage.

Uh.

Latent flowers will ignore Basically all of it and he'll he'll probably go

to some parable and exegete a parable in ways That was never meant to be exegeted.

He'll give you some illustrations.

But he probably won't actually deal with the the text just saying but we'll see.

Uh, what you know, I I wanted to just like do a live stream, you know, basically do like, uh, you know.

The other thing going on tonight is you have uh, the the state of the union and what I really think

is classic.

This is this is classic donald trump.

Um.

He's an excellent Politician he really is he he knows how to play a game.

Because i've never seen this before.

I think it's what we're going to start seeing happen, but.

There's a there's a uh state of the union speech donald trump running against joe biden.

And I noticed that uh that he is planning to live to basically

Play it live and and just basically I guess do a live review of the

state of the union.

Uh, that is just classic that's.

That's funny to do.

Um.

One of the things that I did hear about that I wanted to bring up and talk about uh is the fact

that there was there was some talk about.

Uh in.

Basically speaking of christians.

This is coming from the left.

Referring to christians making a distinction between christians.

And.

Christian nationalists.

Now i've said on this program before christian nationalists is a term that the left came up with.

And it is a term a derogatory term.

You know, I I we could get into a discussion of whether or not we should be christian nationalists.

What does it mean to be a christian nationalist?

Uh.

Basically, I think the the the thing is is that if If you really want

to to, you know have that discussion we could.

But I don't use the term for a very simple reason.

Uh, the reason I don't want to use the the term is because of the purpose of the term.

And we're seeing this now playing out a lot more.

I've said this when we start first started hearing that term.

But christian nationalist is the idea.

It's a way for the left.

To.

Differentiate.

They're going to start by claiming to differentiate basically christians that actually

live by their beliefs versus all other christians but the goal is to find a

way to to.

Argue.

That christians are Trying to operate against the government.

This is going to be how I predict.

They will start arresting christians.

And so there was an argument that someone made and it kind of was going through all the the circles

of in the you know in the news about this christian nationalists or

they're defining it that.

The difference they were saying that between a christian and a christian nationalist is that a christian

nationalist believes that all rights come from god.

So.

Therefore.

If that's the case, well one thing that's kind of like what we see in our Constitution

that these inalienable rights are from who.

From god.

So they're trying to say that this is something new but this is the founding of the nation.

Believe this.

However.

If you're going to argue as they do That for natural laws, the question is then

where do these natural laws come from?

Because if it's not from god Then you end up with the fact that these laws

are coming from what government?

Human because the argument for this a law that is not coming

from god.

Then you can't actually say that slavery was wrong because that was the law at one point.

So they'll argue that there's times when the the natural law shows you something is wrong.

The interesting because they'll argue that natural law shows that slavery is wrong.

Why.

Because they'll say you can't own another human being and those very same people that would say that and

i'm would agree that you can't own another human being but.

The the same people that would say slavery is wrong also support abortion.

Which at its core argument is the same issue ownership.

It's the idea that one person can own another person.

It's not just this is my property.

It's this is my body.

The argument is still an ownership issue.

It's an ownership issue to the fact that What what someone is saying is I have

the right to do whatever I want with this person.

Let me play this clip.

This is what the dave smalley when matt slick was debating david smalley I asked this question and david knew exactly where I

was going because david just spent two hours debating matt slick.

Saying that slavery was wrong slavery is in the bible.

Therefore the bible's wrong.

So I asked him this question.

Mr Smalley, do you believe that abortion is moral?

Oh boy.

I'm glad i'm debating him instead of you.

Yeah.

He did not want that have to answer that question because he just was making an argument that slavery

was immoral.

And the fact that the bible supports slavery he was saying that makes the bible and god immoral.

Yet He knows that his argument That he has for abortion

Puts him in the same category.

So when people are going to argue for the fact that all laws.

Are.

Are from god?

Well, the question should be well, where else could they be?

Where else are we going to have these supposed natural laws?

If they if they're going to be a universal law.

It has to come from a universal.

Source.

And.

Governments are not a universal source.

There's times where we would say that that people must stand up against wrong laws.

Immoral laws.

Well, where they how are they going to know that tomorrow?

Well, they get that because god has planted in every human being a conscience to know right from wrong.

So, um, the other thing I wanted to to bring up is uh, The fact that we have

um, I was asked to do a review uh, there's a.

There was a tv show or it's a four -part series.

Uh pretty shiny people it is about the duggars and so some people asked

me whether I would review this and provide a.

Basically my thoughts on this so.

Uh, and i'm actually going to reach out to one of the people that that was in it making basically trying to argue

Against fundamentalist christians basically evangelical christians.

Uh, she has a whole youtube channel devoted to Making fun of uh christians, so i'll see if

she'll come on.

It'll be really interesting uh, of course if she watches what I say now, she probably won't but

their whole argument.

In this film.

So first off they're taking the one family of duggars if you don't know the the duggars.

They had a tv series.

I think it was called 19 and counting uh, they were part of a movement with your I guess it's called

the quiver full movement where they Christians are encouraged to have as many children

as possible.

Um.

The argument that they that they make.

Is the fact that they're gonna they're arguing.

Uh that the duggars had their the oldest son, I think he was the oldest actually.

I believe he's the first firstborn.

Not not sure.

But his name was josh.

He got in trouble.

He was looking at uh, he had.

Uh.

I guess.

Done something sexually.

I don't know the details.

I don't know if it was ever out but uh.

To an extent.

But he did something sexually with uh, I think two of his sisters.

Um, he got caught with child pornography.

So.

What the whole thing is to look at what?

Josh did one son out of 20 kids.

And say the whole family is is corrupt.

The whole movement the homeschool movement and all this it's all bad.

Now.

Are there people who abuse or use religion uh to

cover up.

Their abuses and and and their sin.

Sure.

But the does that make christianity wrong?

No.

It that's a logical fallacy.

To make that case.

And so the thing that I found so interesting though is the arguments they made for

against christianity in that show.

They never apply it to their own views.

Their argument is that somehow it's really bad that people are that christians homeschool because they're not really

getting an education.

They're learning.

They're learning things like character.

Having good character.

I mean, that's a wicked thing.

Wow.

Um.

I would rather the kids learn good character.

Than what they're learning in the public schools about learning how to be a cat.

They have litter boxes in schools.

So people who think they're a cat could be.

Uh, they have they're trying to indoctrinate kids to believe that there's they can't figure out if they're a boy or a girl.

This is this is clearly in Indoctrination because we haven't had you look at the exponential growth

of people that suddenly are gender fluid or gender confused or whatnot.

Or transgender it is it's growing at an exponential rate.

Why.

Because it's being indoctrinated in school.

And so where they're sitting there and saying teaching children to wait to have sex until they're married.

That and that really seems to be the the key thing that they really didn't like that you should wait

until you're married Before having sex and that wives should submit to their husbands.

Those are the two things that they clearly had an issue with.

But their argument is to say that you if you're homeschooling, you're not really getting an education even though.

You end up seeing the people that I think that they there was a I forget which state there was a spelling

bee.

That they had to decide that homeschoolers were not allowed to enter anymore

because they kept winning.

Um, I was a judge for a science fair.

That was in new jersey and every year the winners became they.

For several years, they were all homeschoolers.

And it was a thing where as the judges there was a meeting and it was discussed whether or not

to allow homeschoolers.

Because they they kept winning.

And so are they really a school so that what ended up happening was they decided and this was back.

What 20 15 20 years ago, but they decided that homeschoolers that wasn't a school and they

couldn't participate anymore.

And the reality is is that what we end up seeing is homeschoolers are getting a better education more often

than not.

Than the public school system.

And where you sit there and say well homeschooling is indoctrination and you think public school is not.

It absolutely is.

So.

I I think that when we review, you know, you look at the film.

Uh that really what it was trying to do was cast all of christianity in a bad light.

Based upon what one person did or a few people did.

Now.

I'm not going to.

Discount that there are still sinners in christianity.

The difference with christianity is we recognize that we're sinners saved by grace.

Um.

And so that's that's the thing that we end up having to recognize.

Is they they're just as guilty of the things that they're trying to say christianity

the duggards uh bill gothard.

They're trying to say well These this whole movement is is wrong for that you know their

argument.

The other argument they made was that bill gothard was trying to build an army of people to make

America more religious to make more moral by having lots of children and by the sheer

numbers of children.

Uh, they would try to get these kids to to get a good now.

This is the irony because remember the argument that I just made.

In.

In uh, I think it was episode two.

They make the argument that homeschoolers aren't getting a real education.

They're not taught math and things like that in episode four.

They're make the argument that what they were trying to do is to get these homeschool kids In in

every branch of government to change america.

And so they they had a guy who was had a his a harvard law degree.

Now I don't know about you.

But you look at those two arguments and i'm sitting there thinking like the person who Put this together the producer

probably didn't think this through too.

Well.

Because a glaring hypocrisy is the fact that episode two is saying as homeschoolers You don't get

a good education and episode four is saying that they're getting high educated degrees.

Uh and and jobs that require a good education.

Hmm, which one is true?

And so This is the thing when you look at films like this and you're going to evaluate them critically.

I guess not film.

It's a series.

Um, we have to recognize that there is a an agenda behind the people that are doing it.

They want to cast all of christianity and homeschoolers in a bad light.

And so the issue though is think about it.

What is it that the homosexual movement has been doing?

In the 80s and i've shared this with this audience, but in the 80s there was an article.

That I read in a homosexual magazine.

I always have to explain why I read it.

Because I don't want people thinking I read homosexual magazines, but I was in college and We had the resident assistant.

He and I were the basically the only americans in the dorm.

It was a holiday.

It was a christmas break, uh, and I I would stay on campus and so would the foreign students.

And so there always had to be one resident assistant, uh for each building that would would be there and

so To this day.

I think that the resident assistant was probably practicing homosexual.

Uh, he claimed that this magazine was in the janitor's closet.

I think he wanted to just see my reaction.

Because he was very drunk.

I know that but uh He gave me this article and the article to read was quite interesting.

It basically laid out and this is in the 80s a plan to make homosexuality Mainstream.

What did they say to do?

Well.

Play play the victim say that they're that homosexuals are victims so that they could get That taught in the schools as

it was taught in schools.

Then people would get into to positions of power and using their positions of

power.

They could then try to change the perspective on homosexuality.

The very thing that many of these people that made this film or the series would be

arguing Against with christianity that somehow it's wrong if christians want to get in

positions to Do things so we would have a more moral country.

That somehow with for a christian is bad.

But if the homosexuals are doing it, then it's somehow perfectly good.

You see they're just as guilty of the things that they claim.

They just don't take their arguments and apply it to themselves.

The the reality is is that they're that's.

They're doing the very things they're saying that christianity is wrong for doing and so.

Um.

I thought I think so my overall my my my view of the of that Series was it was

basically nothing more than an excuse.

They they started with the conclusion Christianity bad.

I mean, that's what it comes down to.

And they wanted to prove that out.

And so, excuse me, and so what they did was to what was to

basically look for a way that they could Find different christians

lump all christians into that.

And then.

Say see christianity is a bad thing.

Um.

So, uh.

Some announcements I do have tomorrow night I will be on the gospel truth.

If you look on gospel truth youtube channel Matt slick and I are debating, uh two

guys on oneness pentecostalism.

It's called oneness and the godhead.

So matt and I are going to be teaming up.

It'll be a first time that uh, instead of matt slick and I debating one another we're actually going to be on the same

side.

Uh debating a couple folks that don't believe in the trinity.

So, uh matt is matt and I are working through how we're going to go about that.

I think the plan right now is.

What I suggested was that matt do the opening i'll do the closing and then we'll figure out.

Uh, uh how we're going to do the uh Cross examination.

So john is asking what time I believe it starts at eight o 'clock eight o 'clock tomorrow.

So I am looking forward to that.

I've enjoyed being on the the gospel truth.

Um marlin does some good debates and so uh sets up some good debates and so looking forward to that.

So it's it's the gospel.

Truth.

Uh is the name of the youtube channel?

Uh.

Trying to see what other announcements I have.

Oh, I was gonna I I was gonna bust on uh on drew with this but uh for for folks, uh,

I want to give a a shout out and a thanks we were uh, we have these this

Uh thing that tells you the charts on how you're doing, you know as far as downloads in

uh podcasts and uh the I I.

You know, I know that my rap report podcast is consistently Uh on the charts, you know a lot of

times we're in the top 100 in the religion section in the united states.

But what I was really surprised at was that the christian podcast community that's its

own feed um, it is a a completely separate feed.

But I thought it interesting that that was ranked in the religion and

spirituality number 17.

And in christianity, it was number 11.

I was like wow.

And that's in Slovakia, I don't know what's happening in slovakia, but everyone in slovakia must be

all of a sudden start following.

Uh.

The christian podcast community that were all of a sudden number 11.

In the christianity.

So so uh, so all of you folks in slovakia.

Welcome.

Glad you're watching.

Um.

You know, there's there's I.

I just mentioned the debate that I we got tomorrow night.

And so why don't I bring in my debate partner who's sitting in an airport right now?

Matt slick.

Hey, man, how are you doing buddy?

Can you hear me?

Okay.

Yeah, we can hear you.

All right.

Good.

I won't talk too loud because I got this over my ear but uh, yeah, see.

There there's matt.

Matt was uh, it.

Are you still in texas?

No, you're.

You're probably on a connecting flight back home.

Yeah, i'm in minneapolis.

Um minnesota right now.

Yeah flew out from austin this morning and I gotta go back to boise and get there in about four hours.

So then we'll do the debate tomorrow night, yeah, so have you.

What do you know anything about these two guys that were debating.

Yeah, one of the guys I I found out that I debated him a couple months ago.

Um caleb guy and he didn't know what he was doing trying to be polite and

gracious here, but I I saw one clip where I put the trinity chart from karm

up on there and said.

This is how we arrive at the trinity.

This is how it's done.

And it's not like one verse.

It's a systematic approach and I said.

And if the system is wrong, then the trinity is wrong.

And so I said and then I I found myself saying to him this is the third time i've asked

you.

Oh how the trinity's arrived at and he's and it's sitting up on the screen and you can't get it, right.

So.

Uh, that's you know, we'll see.

James white referred to a debate that you had.

Um last week.

Yeah with and he he basically said I haven't seen that one.

Uh, that was I forgot what the debate topic was on that was also on marlin's show Open theism

and he said that the guy was being.

Excessively rude to you.

But then I guess he said that he he watched their or listened to their post debate.

They had a post debate.

Uh, uh show.

After show and and they basically said their their whole goal was to try to throw you off your game.

And and try to get under your skin.

Um.

And james thought it was completely Inappropriate, I guess for them to do that.

Yeah, it was a lot of people, uh, where a lot of people during the debate just left.

I got text messages saying I can't believe this guy's so bad.

I can't watch it.

And they left and the guy did a drinking game.

During his opening statement, he actually put it in his opening statement every time that says whatever blah blah.

Just i'll put the sign to drink.

You take a drink.

He actually did this.

Oh, yeah.

You know during the debate he called me a liar.

I said what?

You don't you know, it's not lying, but yes, you were.

What.

I.

We found out that they were planning on bringing up my daughter rachel.

Oh really.

Yeah.

I mean they admitted.

In the after show several people haven't watched it.

I'm not gonna but several people who did I said the same thing.

They said that The goal was not to debate but to make me look as bad as possible to get me to

storm out so that they can.

Well, you know.

We we've had it look when we started this show.

We there were there used to be that one.

There was the one guy.

Used to have a whole youtube channel devoted to mocking us.

So.

I thought that was your site.

Yeah.

Yeah, no, no.

No, they had well I had a guy that would take when I would do our striving for academy classes

every week and We would do that on a monday night by tuesday.

He he basically was sitting there mocking everything that we were teaching.

And and I think he thought he was going to get like a lot of people To to follow it but uh, I

he kept like trying to tag me and i'm like, yeah I'm, I have no interest in watching it.

I'm not gonna give you.

Okay, so we got it.

Okay, so we got a question, uh.

Brother john is asking a question is open theism heresy.

What do you think about that?

Yes, it is.

No, there's different degrees of open theism.

But the one I was talking to this guy said if and i'm not trying to misrepresent him.

Is chris fisher believe his name was.

I'm trying to misrepresent him.

I'm trying to be as accurate as possible.

But during a debate when I was asking him questions I got to the point where I said well is god everywhere.

And I could not get a straight answer.

And I said you're supposed to admit that god knows everything the present, right?

And it was like another vague answer and so at one point I

concluded that this guy.

He's just flat out teaching here.

I mean not just the idea that god's limited in one sense, but he was actually saying god is limited

To the physical universe in the realm of time in the physical universe and he can't.

The impression of god was he's not everywhere.

And he's learning and I asked him I said, okay.

Can you make a false prophecy.

Can you prophesy something going to happen.

It doesn't happen.

Could he make a false prophecy.

And that one I believe stopped it because.

If you say yes.

You know what i'm going to do with that one.

And if you say no, well, then how does that fit into your open theism where god makes mistakes, you know?

So he was stuck.

But that's it.

That's an interesting question to ask them.

Yeah.

Because if he doesn't know everything Then it's.

It's really not prophecy it's just really good guessing which is what we would say satan would do.

Right.

And the other question I asked him I said this has got uh impute individual sins of people the future to christ.

And he knew what the point was because if uh Free will choices

cannot be known.

You can't know who's going to marry who you can't know what children are going to be there.

And you can't know what sins are going to do.

I don't know.

So you how can you impute them?

It's a serious question.

He couldn't answer that and he said well there's different theories on the atonement.

I didn't ask if there's different theories.

I said You know the paper he says in the first peter 2 24 he bore our sin in his

body in the cross.

So I said did he bear our sins in his body in the cross?

And uh I think he said I remember i'm not trying to misrepresent him at all.

I think he said that's just your interpretation.

Just your reading is what you expect.

Dude, I just read it.

I just read it.

What did it say?

You know.

So just a lot of stuff like that.

It was bad and marlin ended up taking it down.

He says it was horrible.

It was bad.

Oh, so that debate's not up.

No, but it's it's up other places people have copied it and um, You know, I may put it up on my

site someplace.

I don't know.

This is an example Of not to debate with my yeah.

This is how not to do it, yeah.

So.

And matt's pulling his ears trying to make sure see if his flight is boarding.

It'd be really bad if matt's taking off.

Oh, you saw all those people going through that door right behind matt folks.

And that was that was all the people going on the plane and matt's going to be left in there.

Hey, hey, someone forgot about me.

That's right.

No, you gotta you got to make it back home because uh, you know, you're you're doing the opening for the debate.

I don't have that prepared.

Okay.

We talked about right.

Yeah, you're gonna do the opening.

I can.

I can use the same opening I did for last week.

We can modify it I can adapt it and stuff like that.

Yeah, that's not a problem.

Yeah, you know.

It's uh, I I said to the audience before you you had come in that.

Uh, usually you and I are debating each other.

This is the first debate that you and I are on the same side debating together, so.

Um.

It's it'll be it'll be so new for us.

So, uh because how many have you done a lot of two -on -two debates.

Usually not because the people the person who works with me is usually an imbecile.

So we'll see how this goes.

Yeah, I guess I have the same problem.

I.

Had to come up with some insult here I had to figure it out.

Yeah, you know, I was just I did a podcast that not all that long ago with keith

foskey.

Um, and you know, keith foskey typically because he does all the funny videos about different

denominations.

You know different how different denominations would handle guns or go to buffalo wild

wings.

Really funny.

Videos, uh had him on my rap report podcast talking about christian comedy.

Uh.

And so one of the things you came up because he he did a He did a message called the

a theology of comedy and was really good.

It's very insightful a lot of good things he brought up uh, but he talks about the fact that he

you know, there is a place for Comedy where he had someone in his church where

you know basically difficult, you know situation and

comedy just Relieves that he he was glad that you know his Keith his pastor could come over

and just Be like things are normal having making jokes and and and laughing.

He said he actually was sad when the guy left Because he he's going to be all alone uh, and

so I you know, I I shared the fact that when when i'm usually uh, Upset, you know, I have

Bit things going on where I need to get cheered up.

I call you and all you do is insult me until I start laughing.

And that's actually your plan.

Well, there's just so much material that you know, it just starts coming out.

I agree.

I agree.

See, uh, you're not gonna Disagree with their um, melissa melissa says that she misses

you matt.

Oh from not not me nothing on the radio, right?

Yes.

You don't come on here enough times.

Um, well, I don't do bible thursday night bible studies anymore so come on get in there.

Yeah.

Well, and we aren't thinking I I don't I don't have a date for i'm gonna.

What i'm probably gonna do is i'm, probably gonna move this show to sunday nights just because.

There's a lot of other live streams going on on on thursday night.

And so You know, we've kind of had a lot of people going in different different directions.

Um, You know, I know like we'd have people that would be an hour when you did your bible study an hour with us and

then drop off an hour for your bible study, so I'm thinking maybe we'll go back to to uh,

sunday nights.

I'm going to try that I'll probably do a couple of sunday night shows for folks, um.

Uh, what's melissa is also melissa says, uh, andrew doesn't have a face for radio.

But the voice for it he does.

Yeah, so I I admit that I don't have a face even for radio.

It's just that ugly I get it.

Well, you know I was with ryan and uh, we got talking to his wife.

And uh, he said to her she goes man's got a great voice for radio and a great face for radio.

She she liked that.

Yeah, well, you know, I I don't know, you know, you and I are going to talk tomorrow strategy for this

debate.

Um.

I think we have our word doc or our uh, our google document here and so far

it has uh, matt slick and slash andrew rap versus daniel heavens and Caleb i'm not sure

how to pronounce his last name and then the title.

That's that's all we got in there.

Yeah, I got stuff.

I got something to put in there.

Yeah tomorrow morning.

Oh, i've got Small things i'm working on.

I send you that document on on this.

Yeah, yeah, I got that document and I need to send you what I have on on the deity of christ because originally that was.

Originally, I was supposed to be debating someone on the deity of christ.

Um.

And I I was preparing for that.

That's what I actually had.

It was a good thing that you know marlin reached out to us and said are we you know, we we still good?

For this debate.

I was like, oh, oh, okay.

I thought for some reason I thought that was next month.

I thought we.

I had two with him so, uh.

But yeah, send me your notes on uh, yeah, I have an apologetics biblical apologetics file.

Outlined.

I've been working on the exception of the deity of christ.

I'm always looking for new stone.

Yeah, I mean I I know that you you like to steal, you know material like, you know birds of

you know.

When asked, you know, why is the heretics all get together, you know, you steal the line, you know.

Heretics, how is it heretics of a feather flock together?

Yeah, well, that's right.

You did say that.

What was it heretics of a feather flock together together?

The history behind that folks it was matt and I were both Keynoting on a apologetics cruise.

And I was the only one out of all the people there that paid for the internet.

You know, and so I had internet.

Matt came up with that line.

Someone asked matt You know why some of these heretics all get together.

He goes.

You know heretics of a feather flock together.

And so I quickly went online and typed it and said watch matt slick will steal my

Iris.

I've always said very clearly matt said it first, but I like to say he stole it from me.

Because you have been accused of that with uh, bill mckeever at least.

I think that's why I saw a couple of bills.

Yeah, bill came up with the one.

We're in sales not production.

I like that one.

So yeah, i'm gonna i'm gonna send you my uh, my notes on the beauty of christ.

Um.

It's actually a book that eventually I will Get out.

I hopefully one day when I have time to to get back to writing.

Um.

So what else what's anything new going on with.

Uh with karm that we could update folks with.

Well, just uh working hard and uh trying to release articles and try and do more videos and

debates and finish editing a book.

What.

The influence of re -editing it and then I need to write a second one people have been asking for years to kind of follow

up on it.

So.

We do that.

But.

I've been studying ai quantum physics.

So that's what i'm going to study co -op oneness and some new issues in the trinity.

I'm trying to deal with other perichoritic relationship of the of the persons

intersect as the one.

With the one in the many and then you know in romans 8 27 It says the mind of the spirit in first

corinthians 2 16 is the mind of christ.

So do the spirit and the and the son have their own minds.

What does that mean?

And how does that relate to?

Inter -traditarian communion the perichoresis and divine simplicity.

So i'm sorting through those.

All right, so we got a question here from john.

He's asking i'm going to pull up the scripture so I could read it because I don't know if you have it memorized but

uh, he says.

Question for andrew, but i'll but i'll see what you think of this as well.

He says, uh, genesis 1513 Prophecy is 400 years afflicted.

Exodus 12 40 to 41 says 430 years.

So genesis 15 30 13 says God said to abram

Know for certain that your descendants will be strangers in the land that is not theirs.

They will be enslaved and oppressed for 400 years.

And so if we look at the exodus 12 passage It's going to refer to a more specific number

in verse 40.

Now the time that the sons of israel lived in the land was 430.

Years.

Um.

Lived in the land is different than being persecuted because it can live in the land for a while and then become persecuted.

So that's one of the dividing issues right there.

How long were they there before they became persecuted.

Because abraham and the descendants first went to?

Egypt.

And they weren't persecuted.

So persecuted is different than just dwelling in the land furthermore.

Uh, the bible will often speak in generalities like the circumference of I forgot

where it is.

And uh of the the bath in the temple.

And it says it's three.

The diameter into the circumference is three.

Well, it's 3 .1415629.

And uh.

So, okay, but they said three.

Well, it just rounds off numbers.

It's like when you say, you know, how long ago was jesus crucified.

Two thousand years ago, you know?

Uh.

So we use generalities.

That's another possibility there.

Yeah, and that's the one I would I would hold to is the fact that We have we have that.

Elsewhere in scripture where you have generalities There's nothing wrong with uh, you know, it's I think a lot

of times what we have john.

Um who's asked the question is the fact that some people want to try to look at that to say see it's a contradiction

but yet we speak in the same type of way as matt just pointed out saying christ was.

You know, Christianity has been around for 2 000 years.

Well, not exactly.

It's more exact number would be you know calculated out and um

the the fact is is that There's nothing wrong with doing that and it doesn't make it you

know, people want to try to use.

The bible.

Um and say well has to be exactly right all the time.

Another example people will use is that that jesus will refer to the mustard seeds as being the

smallest of seeds.

Well, it is the smallest of seeds in that area.

And yes in other places.

There is a smaller seed.

But to the people he was speaking to They wouldn't have known of any other seed that isn't in their area

so.

There's nothing wrong with with Um the bible doing that we we do that.

It's part of language.

It's part of speech.

We can recognize when that's done and the way we could recognize it here is because there are.

There there are passages that are going to be more specific.

And and here we're you know in genesis.

He's just giving a he.

The purpose of it is not to be as exact as but to.

Talk about the.

The focus isn't on the number of years.

The focus is on the enslavement.

Yeah.

That's right.

But generalities say that they occur and that's all right.

And there's sometimes specifics like in daniel 9 2014 27 where it talks

about the decree of the order of nebuchadnezzar to rebuild the the walls.

Uh.

That decree which happened on march 14th 445 bc.

There'll be seven six weeks and six nine weeks.

We convert those into years.

How many days is 172 000 380 days?

And that's the day that jesus came into jerusalem on a donkey.

So, you know, some of us are extremely specific prophetic.

Then we just look at the differences of oppression versus.

Yeah.

So.

All right.

Well, I I think we're going to do unless.

Uh, I don't see any more questions coming in tonight.

Um.

Someone is.

Oh, so I I see melissa saying is the debate over.

I think I'm guessing she's referring to the james white latent flowers debate.

And I don't know because i'm going to see that.

Yeah, I I was thinking of Of I I said at the beginning met that or earlier.

I I wanted to like play that debate.

And uh, just like actually respond to it because I kind of I gave I gave my theory on the debate.

Because they were supposed to be dealing with a verse of scripture.

So my my.

The way the debate went down.

I don't I don't even have to watch it to know james white exegeted the passage explaining

Through the greek and and how how the meaning of the passage comes about.

And latent flowers gave some illustrations that you know.

Maybe he grabs a parable from somewhere and exegetes that.

Uh with things it was never meant to say and never actually gets to the passage that they're supposed to debate.

But uh, but he's he's good at the lightning.

I saw that he came out with a book.

You know just in time for this debate.

I'm i'm wondering if there was a you know coincidence with that.

Hmm.

Yeah, I made a comment on one of the facebook pages about it.

I said, oh great people did it so I can study what it means to uh exegete scripture badly.

Yeah Yeah.

I mean layton's a nice guy.

You've you've met him.

I I met him, you know, he's he's a very nice guy.

He's.

Wrong.

Yeah, so.

Um, so let me.

By the way, john brother john is saying love the show looking forward to it every week god bless you.

So let me give you an update what we got coming up in the next few shows.

Um.

Next week, I will not be here.

Uh, i'll talk with drew.

To see.

I will be traveling on my way out to ohio but uh on the 21st

uh, I will have claude ramsey.

If you don't know who he is, uh, I was preaching with him at the Open air theology conference last

year and this year very passionate passionate preacher.

I'm looking forward to that.

So that's going to be on march 21st uh on april 4th

I'm going to have another creationist on uh, carl dr. Carl weiner.

Um.

He's going to be on and then on the 11th april 11th, uh, And this

is where I would I really wish drew was here because we i'd love his reaction on this.

But we have a debate that we're going to do on full preterism.

A guy on twitter that wants to be partnering for full preterism.

So I said I could set up a debate.

Uh, and.

He said yes.

He's yet to give me his email so that I could give him the link.

Uh, but uh.

We we're setting it up either way.

So we're going to talk full preterism uh one way or another, uh.

The guy said he's got a he because his.

He has to stay anonymous because of his views on end times.

Then then why do you.

You know sit and talk about it.

I I don't know what you know I don't know that people are coming after people and like threatening their life or something over

their end times view but.

Uh, so so those are the shows that we got coming up.

Uh.

You know matt you you have some pretty strong views, uh in favor of full preterism.

But.

Yeah, you got a actual chapter 1 verses 9 to 11 refutes full preterism it just does.

Yeah, so we're gonna have.

I'm, hoping to have a guy On that I met at the open air theology conference who

actually was in Uh full preterism for many years, uh even wrote books on it and uh has come

out of it.

Uh, so and we're gonna have the guy who you know.

Uh.

Who.

There's two people that did the pre pre -debate, uh pre -conference, uh on full preterism.

So um, we will have them on.

So, um.

I'm, not sure what.

Thank you.

Robert.

I gotta get going here.

Use a restroom and then get ready to get to board here pretty soon.

So i'm gonna get going.

Okay.

Yep.

Thanks matt.

We're gonna we're gonna play in the show soon.

Anyway, good seeing you and i'll see you tomorrow night.

Travel safe.

Okay, man.

We'll talk.

Okay.

All right.

Uh, so robert says good evening.

Are we going to see our show?

Um.

Oh, oh, I think I know what you mean.

You're talking.

I think he's talking about uh, Podcasts.

So robert we did a podcast together that aired.

Let me go look.

Uh, if we go to rap report.

Let's see rap report .org.

Rap.

Report .org.

Uh that I think that dropped two weeks ago.

Three three weeks ago it dropped, uh, february 14th.

Christian collaboration is the title of that.

So, uh, if if you want to check that out.

Um.

So.

Yeah.

I'm assuming that's what you're referring to.

If not, let me know.

Um, but I didn't I didn't put it on.

Uh, I didn't do the video.

So I I that was just the podcast even though we had the video that I used the video just as a backup.

All right.

So with that we'll end a little bit early tonight.

I knew it would be uh without drew here, but that's okay.

Um.

Jason cave says, uh.

Have a good evening matt.

He i'll tell him that tomorrow but uh.

Oh, I see melissa said.

Jason asked a question.

Did I miss that?

Uh, sorry if I if I missed that, uh.

Where is the question?

This is where it's good to have a co -host that could uh.

That could catch us.

I don't see a question from jason melissa, so maybe you could post it

in.

And and we could see um.

Um.

So, yeah, so robert was saying uh fantastic just just didn't know where to look.

Yeah go on any podcast app just uh do a search for rap report that's

wrapped with two p's.

And uh, you'll find it.

Okay.

So melissa is saying here.

This must be jason's question.

Uh, Is it god's will that people will go to hell?

Um.

And there jason is posting his question.

So, uh, is it god's will that people will go to hell?

So the answer is uh, yes, because there's people in hell.

Um, I mean, that's that's the simple the simple answer.

Uh, in fact, this is what we see in roman chapter 9 when when discussing this very thing.

And if we look just to get some some, uh context here, there's romans 9 i'm going to start in

verse 14.

Though the the meat of it is going to be a little bit further down.

It says what shall we say then?

There is no injustice with god.

Is there may it never be?

For he says to moses.

I will have mercy on whom I have mercy and I will have compassion on whom I'll have compassion.

So then it does not depend on the man who wills.

Or the man who runs but on god who has mercy for the scripture says to pharaoh

for this very purpose I raised you up to demonstrate my power in you.

And that my name might be proclaimed through the whole earth.

So then he has mercy on who he desires and hardens who he desires and

so that ends up being really clear to argue that God is the one who

is he shows mercy or hardens.

It's it's through god's will.

And so the the follow -up question that people have.

Is usually well then What role do we have if if god is then they'll say god is forcing everything?

Well, it's god's will but it doesn't mean he works apart from our will.

Because that question is the very question paul ends up asking because the very next verse says you will say to me

then Why does he still find fault?

For who could resist his will.

I mean, there's the the question right there Paul in a good jewish way of debating

is asking that very question that people end up asking when you make this claim.

And paul responds to his own question by saying on the contrary.

Who are you?

Oh man who asks back to god the thing molded will not say to the molder.

Why did you make me like this?

Will it or does the the does not the potter have the right over the clay to make?

From the same lump one vessel for honorable use and another for common use.

What if god?

Although willing to demonstrate his wrath.

And to make his power known endured with much patience vessels of

wrath prepared for destruction.

And he does so to make known the riches of his own glory upon the vessels of mercy.

Which he prepared beforehand for glory.

So this has got nothing to do with the fact that you know.

The argument that people make is that somehow we're we're not involved if god's has this will.

Keeping in mind that god knows everything that god Uh is outside of

time.

He's eternal when we think of that we have to realize that um, we

don't understand god's thinking.

Jason, we we just.

We're not thinking because god doesn't think he knows then we think so we learn things we

we process things.

That's the thinking process but god doesn't do that.

He just knows and so.

What we end up seeing is he works through Humans in the in the decisions that humans

make.

I mean, it's not like it that catches him off guard.

Um.

And i'm thinking of the verse i'm trying to see if I could find it.

Um, I think it's in I want to say it's in first peter, uh, but.

Where.

Where.

Peter basically says, uh that that god worked through human beings in the writing of scripture

so that.

The very things that they're they're writing.

This is the doctrine We know is superintending the very things they're writing is what god intended it to be.

So god the holy spirit works through human authors and that's the very same

thing that we end up seeing.

Uh here is that we could we could.

Okay, so it's second second peter.

Uh chapter one verse 20 uh or 19 and 20.

Uh.

So i'll read i'll read 19 to 21.

He says so we have a prophetic word made more sure to which you Do well to pay attention.

As a lamp shining in a dark place until the day dawns and the morning star rises in

your hearts.

But know this first of all that no prophecy Of scripture is a matter of

one's own interpretation.

For no prophecy was ever made by an act of the human will but men

Moved by the holy spirit spoke from god.

So what we end up seeing is yeah, they you have people that have have Would make

prophecies or write scripture.

Uh, but that is something that god works through them.

And so jason is saying doctrine of superintending.

So that's exactly how I would argue this.

It's it's the doctrine of superintending god working through human authors to write scripture.

That's where we see this doctrine used.

God works through human authors to write scripture.

They chose I mean john style is very different than peter's very different than paul's.

You know.

You see these different styles of writings you see people choosing the words.

Personal things paul's going to say hey bring my cloak.

It's going to be cold this winter and and yet.

As we see here from peter.

That that's coming from god god worked.

It wasn't an act of the human will but god moved by the holy spirit spoke from god

and so.

What we end up seeing there is that?

I would I would argue what we're looking at there is the case that the same thing with

the the.

Does it you know does?

Uh people go to hell.

Is that god's will.

It is god's will but it's not because god forced that.

It's the fact that they're going to will because they chose to sin.

Right if god did nothing we would all go to hell.

That would be the right thing.

Uh, but god in his mercy has chosen to uh to save

some.

And we should rejoice that we're saved.

Uh, but it's still our own choice to sin.

God doesn't make us sin.

Uh, and we're going to go to hell for that those sins we have done.

All right.

So I hope that you guys enjoyed the show.

I hope that you got a lot out of it.

I hope I know the first hour was like drinking through a fire hose.

Uh, dan had told me he wanted to try to see if he could do that really quick and and give with 20

minutes and.

Just give that whole lecture.

So I encourage you to go back re -watch.

Relisten to that and and check that out.

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Uh that is filled.

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I think they said that the max they could do is 1100 seats.

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We're doing in bahal and uh, there's I know there's some seats, uh available for the

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There's going to be a lot to do.

We're pre -conference we're going to deal with social justice.

Uh and.

Topics like that.

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