Everything from Tongues to Pantsuits to the Trinity with Sam Brooks

Berean Testing and the Points of Disagreement

Hey, I'm here with my friend Sam Brooks. My name is Pastor Jeff Cleaver. I'm up in New Jersey, Mount Laurel, New Jersey. The church is called Cornerstone Church and Sam and I met over the internet. We we had mutual interaction on a video and.

So what I've come to discover is that you have been under attack brother. It sounds like there is. There is a man named Kendrick Murray who has put out a public video and tried to just put you on blast so I wanted to give you a chance to introduce yourself and what we'll do is we'll kind of propose some of these ideas and Test those by the Word of God.

Acts 17 11 says that we should be Bereans that the Bereans were more noble than the Thessalonians because they didn't just take what Paul said. They Tested to see if these things are so.

Right. Amen.

Yeah, so let's get into this video. It seems like there's about five points of conflict here. One is this this gentleman proposes that one must speak in tongues in order to be saved. That's a big one, yeah, there's another one just as big as that but the second one is divorce and remarriage.

He has a very narrow view and in many ways there are some good insights. He has in that direction. We got to be very careful. But I think he takes some things a little too far and then the same thing with braided hair and pants suits for women.

That seems to be a big one. And yeah baptism in Jesus name rather than the Trinitarian Father Son and Holy Spirit. And then lastly for me, this is even the biggest and that is the Trinity. He flat outright rejects the Trinity.

So, how about this why don't you introduce yourself and then then we'll get into some of his clips and we'll respond one by one.

Okay. Well, my name is brother Sam and uh from Moby, Alabama, I Attended Kendra Murray's church back in from 2009 like the middle of 2012 so I left the ministry and as I as I left I always Was had concerns about his teaching like every other year.

I would hear his teachings and I would just reach out to him. I just said hey brother. Let's let's sit down and discuss these things and you know. He would always kind of just pull me off like hey, man.

This what I believe, you know, you can either believe it or you can leave. I'm believe the scriptures I said, well, I believe the scriptures too, but I think it doesn't misunderstand about what we believe.

But here's the problem with him this is the problem with men like him that teach these things because they believe that I Know he believed. I can't teach him though. So that just shows the very pride that's in him the pride for a proud spirit which God does not like.

Abomination really and uh. And I just want to get in touch up on these doctors that he's teaching because I believe they are critical to the body of Christ and people need to really have full understanding with these doctors mean and how they can be added to the Gospel and very diminished the gospel of Jesus Christ.

Amen, brother. So issue number one. Let me share this screen and We're gonna play.

Video.

Here.

From.

Him introducing you and then I'm gonna jump ahead to where he starts to make his biblical Exposition to prove his point. So here's the now let me say concerning this first email.

Taking the time tonight. To read this email not to this brother. Because I don't believe that but I am going to deal with his email to help others. To just show you the result. Show you the end result of.

Dibbling and dabbing in the spirit work. Okay, so he's gonna address you. I have a quick question for you, brother. Are you dibbling and dabbing? Do you love to dibble and dab? This seems to be a primary accusation against you.

Is that you dibble and dab? Yeah. No, no, I don't.

Stand what do you mean right there first and first to start off? I never emailed him. So, I don't know if you don't understand Facebook messenger or Facebook comments versus Actual email so number one.

He's starting on wrong. I'd never email you so that's not an email. He read I don't even have his email address. So that's a red flag already. We start now. So. Yeah, that's.

He's gonna come back nibble and dab point. So.

They have been taught the Word of God. That's the purpose of me dealing with this email tonight. This is from Sam Brooks. Now Sam used to attend service here. Sam attended here for a good while. He hadn't seen Sam now it's been some years.

But Sam attended service here for a good while and Sam was taught the Word of God. He was taught God's Word According to the scripture. But he loved to dibble and dabble Out in the spirit world. That's what he loved to do.

Speaking in Tongues and the Baptism of the Holy Spirit

All right, I'm gonna pause this here because he's gonna go on this kind of spree of Bashing you because all these number of things that he gets into but let's jump ahead. So we're not just wasting time.

Let's jump right to his exposition of the first argument. Which is that one must speak in tongues in order to be saved so we're going to 1225. On here. Actually, I'm gonna start at 16 because he's still on this dibble dabble point right here.

This is what Sam writes. This is a false teaching. Now we was teaching how when they received the Holy Ghost they speak with other tongue that the spirit gave up. That's what we was teaching. He writes.

This is a false teaching that everyone was speaking tongues. Well a way to twist the scripture. Paul made no distinction about tongues. It is a language and everybody won't speak that. You write. Everybody won't speak only them that receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

You are right Sam. Everybody won't speak it. That's why you hadn't spoken because you hadn't received the gift of the Holy Ghost. You understand the Bible said. Well, he writes it is a language and everybody won't speak that now.

Y 'all wait a minute. Now what I want to do is look at the Bible and compare it to the writing of Sam.

Acts 2 and 1 son. And when the day of Pentecost was fully come.

Listen before we go to acts 2 and 1. Give me Jesus in. Luke 24 49 Jesus gonna tell them where to go and what to do. They're gonna be told to go to a certain place and they got a weight on something. There's something they got to wait on when they get there.

Luke 24 49 said what. And behold and behold.

I've seen the promise of my father.

Is that the Holy Ghost. Is that the gift of the Holy Ghost? I send the promise of my father upon you.

But do what but tarry ye in the city of Jerusalem wait in.

Jerusalem. Just wait right there. I'm gonna send the promise of my father.

But tarry ye in the city of Jerusalem.

Wait in Jerusalem.

Until ye be endued with power from on high.

Go to Jerusalem. I'm gonna send the promise of my father. You wait right there till you receive this power.

Is that what the Bible is saying?

Give me Acts 2 and 1 son.

And when the day of Pentecost was fully come.

Alright.

They at Jerusalem They done obeyed Jesus.

They there and they're waiting.

Acts 2 and 1.

2 and 1 said what.

And when the day of Pentecost was fully come.

When the day of Pentecost was fully come.

They were all with one accord in one place.

They were all with one accord in one place.

And suddenly there came a sound from heaven.

There came a sound from heaven.

As of a rushing mighty wind.

As of a rushing mighty wind.

And it filled all the house where they were sitting.

It filled all the house where they were sitting.

And there appeared unto them clothed in tongues.

There appeared what?

Clothed in tongues.

What did it say Brayson? It was like fire.

And it set upon each of them.

And it set upon how many?

Each of them.

And what happened to them?

And they were all filled.

They were all filled.

Filled with what?

With the Holy Ghost And began to speak with other tongues As the Spirit gave them utterance.

How many was it?

They were all filled.

And what did they do?

And began to speak with other tongues.

As what?

As the Spirit gave them utterance. And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost.

And what did they begin to do?

And began to speak with other tongues As the Spirit gave them utterance.

Is that in your Bible? Give me Acts son. Give me Acts chapter 10. Give me Acts chapter 10. Let's start at verse 44. Let me talk you now. My God, Peter down Here with some Gentiles. Now, Acts 10 44. What happened Brayson?

While Peter yet spake these words.

The Holy Ghost fell on all of them Which heard the word All of them All of them which heard the word The Holy Ghost Fell on all of them.

Which heard the word.

And they of the circumcision which believed Were astonished As many as came with Peter.

Read it Brayson.

Because that only Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost.

Was poured out the gift of what?

Of the Holy Ghost. How do they know they got it? For they heard them speak with tongues And magnify God.

Your Bible say that?

Speak with tongues and magnify God.

Alright.

Now when they called preaching To these Gentiles Give me Acts 11 15. And let's see what Peter gonna say. What did it say Brayson?

And as I began to speak.

Peter said as I began to speak to them Gentiles.

The Holy Ghost fell on them.

As on us at the beginning.

Hold on.

Holy Ghost fell on them. The way Sam said.

As on us at the beginning.

No the way Sam got it.

As on us at the beginning.

As on who? On us.

When? At the beginning. Let's go back to the beginning Acts 2 and 4. As on us at the beginning Acts 2 and at verse 4.

Said what? And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost. And what? And began to speak With other tongues As what? As the Spirit gave them utterance.

That's what happened at the beginning. When he said as on us at the beginning They received the Holy Ghost. They spoke with tongues. Peter testified that on them Gentiles. The Holy Ghost was poured out on them Just like it was on us at the beginning.

Your Bible say that?

Alright.

Give me Acts 19. Son. Start at verse 1. Give me Acts 19 and 1. What did it say?

And it came to pass. That while Apollos was at Korea Paul having passed through the upper coast Came to Ephesus.

Came where? Read it son. What did Paul say to them?

Have you received the Holy Ghost since you believe?

Have you received the Holy Ghost since you believe?

And they said unto him We have not so much as heard Whether there be any Holy Ghost.

What did the Bible say son? What did he say?

Unto what then were you baptized?

How were you baptized?

And they said.

Unto John's baptism.

Then said Paul John barely baptized with the baptism of repentance Saying unto the people That they should believe on him We should come after him.

That is on? And when they heard this?

They were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.

And what happened? And when Paul had laid his hands upon them.

The Holy Ghost came on them.

What came on them Bryson?

The Holy Ghost. And what happened? And they spake with tongues and prophesied.

Your Bible say that? So when I read in the Scripture Speaks plainly They received the Holy Ghost. They spake with tongues As a result of receiving The Holy Ghost. That's what I read in the Bible. The only reason why A brother or a sister would fight against This is because they have not Had this experience.

It is no way You would have had this experience. And you're going to fight against the experience.

The reason you're fighting.

You never spake with tongues By God because you never received The Holy Ghost. I don't trust the Holy Ghost. That's different Than what I can read. I don't trust receiving the Holy Ghost Different than what I can read.

Kendrick Murray's teaching You must speak in tongues Or you're not saved. I teach the same thing these brothers Taught in his Bible. And let me tell you something Sam I got it the same way they got it in the Bible.

Do you understand? I can close both of these books. And Murray can testify To Sam and to the world. Let me tell you something. I got it just like they got it. I got it just like they received it. I was calling on the Lord Jesus.

Listen Sam I was carrying Just like Jesus told them to go and carry. Murray was carrying. In other words I was waiting. But while waiting I was doing Just like they was doing.

Praying.

I was praying I was crying out to the Lord Jesus. And all of a sudden something happened. Something happened. My God man something got down in me. And my mouth came open. And I started talking in a language That Ella Murray did not understand.

And from that day until this one I could feel the presence of God When he said it's like fire. Shut up in your voice. I know what the script is talking about. Out of thy belly shall flow Rivers of living water.

This ain't just ink on paper. I experienced this. I feel this thing move. Like this. You talk like this. Because you haven't had the experience. Do you understand? My God man you don't need to be near a pool pit.

You shouldn't be allowed to dust a pool pit. Much less be in it. Trying to preach to somebody. Do you understand? The Bible said my God you'll receive power If you look at you to run past the Lord. Give me talking now.

Alright. Is the only reason Why you reject his teaching. Because you haven't Experienced what he's experienced. Or do you have another reason brother? I believe.

I believe the truth can cut him. That's what I believe. You hear he sound real furious. He's real furious. I can tell that the scriptures The scriptures I presented to him. He can't refute them. So that's why he went.

Because he didn't actually go to the actual Message that I really sent him about. The scriptures that show that You know cases where people had Received the Holy Spirit. And they didn't speak in tongues.

He never refuted that he just went to. With the doctrines that I just grew him with. I guess thinking that he had me. But he's. He really fell in the trap. Because I finished Scripture that Paul did not make no distinction Between tongues.

Now they believe. Now he believed that This is certain tongue you have to speak in. On the day of Pentecost. Now the day of Pentecost. But on the day of Pentecost. They spoke in Literal actually Authentic tongues languages.

Am I correct?

Yeah there's two views there. One is that the miracle was in the hearing. And the other was that they were speaking. Say you know the 17 19 different languages. That each person might be speaking One of those.

So I don't think that's even Necessary to prove The point. But go ahead in either direction. Go ahead.

Yeah so I mean Because the reason why I went to that point. Because the tongues They say God has moved up on them to speak. First of all If God moved up on you to speak like that in the church There should be an interpreter There To bring out the understanding.

You just doing it. It's in vain it's no good. So you're being disobedient. Your church is basically parroting After the Corinth church Which Paul rebuked. So how are you saying the Holy Spirit Moved up on you to speak.

And then the tongues that I heard them speak. They're not tongues. I'm sorry they're not tongues. They're just a bunch of babble Words that are not Basically spoken clearly. Where you can understand A real fluent language.

That's not the tongue they speak. I heard them speak in tongues. That's not tongues. It's just basically a lot of excitement Zeal and rush About doing this. But they haven't actually spoken the language.

Authentic language. So that's what I want to say. But I want to get to what Peter. What Peter was quoting. When Peter talked about the day of Pentecost He was quoting the prophet Joel. That's what Peter was quoting.

I'm finna read what I wrote down. On the day of Pentecost. The apostle Peter quoted The prophet Joel Chapter 2 verse 28 -32. Notice that Peter In regards to the Holy Spirit Is speaking of a promise. Just as Jesus spoke in John 14 26.

Nowhere in this passage do we read That Peter is saying that one must Speak in tongues To show proof that the Holy Spirit has answered you. He didn't teach that tongues. Is the Holy Spirit. Peter is quoting the prophecy of Joel 2 -28 -32.

And notice that tongues Is not mentioned in this passage. Nor do we find with the evidence Of speaking in tongues. Because that's what they believe. That this is the evidence that God's spirit has answered you.

And I'm like.

Well man Now he always Real eager about I believe about chapter and verse But he can't show no chapter and verse Where it say that. So I mean His understanding is off.

And in fact the scripture says Precisely the opposite In 1 Corinthians Chapter 12 Verse 10. To another the working of miracles. To another prophecy. To another the ability to distinguish Between spirits.

To another various kinds of tongues. To another the interpretation of tongues. In the context which is by the way A very trinitarian passage. 1 Corinthians 12 Father, Son, and Spirit. The apportionment of the gifts.

Different people receive different gifts. And not all receive Each and every gift. But the Lord apportions as he wills. That is the explicit teaching of the scripture. I think that one of the areas where Where Murray gets Off on the wrong direction Is a failure to understand the prescriptive And the descriptive Nature of the book of Acts.

So some of the things in Acts are descriptive. In other words If you read Acts chapter 2 And you take that The instruction from Luke 24 This is descriptive Of what Jesus said To that group Of believers.

Now you can't just say that all of it Is precisely prescriptive to us.

Otherwise.

Why is this Murray hanging out tarrying In Mobile, Alabama. Shouldn't he be in Jerusalem? Precisely prescriptive. He should be tarrying In Jerusalem. So you just can't make that one to one correspondence That everything in Acts Is prescriptive.

Whereas when you do get to the didactic portions of scripture For example 1 Corinthians 12 When the church is being taught How to practice the spiritual gifts In the body, things of that nature It does become prescriptive.

It's a teaching for the church. So what he's doing is he's taking the book of Acts And trying to make it all prescriptive. But you know The thesis of Acts is Acts 1 -8 And the Gospel is going to go from Jerusalem, Judea, Samaria And to the ends of the earth.

And with each progress of the Gospel to those places You see a confirmation That the Holy Spirit is also welcoming that people group. So he skipped over Acts chapter 8 Because it doesn't say speaking in tongues.

But in Acts chapter 8 The apostles come down And to confirm that Samaria Has experienced The same salvation. When the apostles are there to witness it They in some way Manifest the Spirit being given to them.

We don't know if it's speaking in tongues Or some other spiritual gift because it doesn't say. But it says That's kind of like the next stage It's going Acts 1 -8 From Jerusalem to Samaria. And then it will go Acts 10 to Caesarea To Gentiles but they're still in the land of Israel.

And then finally the final stage Is the ends of the earth in Ephesus Acts chapter 19. So you see the progress of the Gospel Descriptive not necessarily prescriptive. The way Murray takes it. So the verse I'm referring to is Acts chapter 8 Verses 14 Through 17 The apostles come down And this is in Samaria.

It says Verse 17 Then they laid their hands on them and they received the Holy Spirit. Now we'd have to Assume that there's some manifestation Of the Spirit in order for people To notice that they've received the Spirit.

Otherwise it's just an invisible transaction. You can't know that. So it might have been speaking in tongues But it might have been a different manifestation of the Spirit. The text doesn't tell us. However when Simon saw this Of course Simon he wanted that gift Whoa something powerful happened there.

That's where Simon comes in. He wants to buy it.

Yeah. Yeah that's true. And see Paul. In the same chapter. 1 Corinthians chapter 12. As we go down Paul was speaking Asking a rhetorical question. And he was asking 1 Corinthians chapter 12 verse 29. And verse 30 and 31 He reads.

Are all apostles? The answer would be no. Are all prophets? No. Are all teachers? No. Are all workers of miracles? The answer is no. Do all have the gifts of healings? The answer is no. Do all speak with tongues?

The answer is no. Do all interpretate tongues? No. And see this is. And now he'll take this scripture. And try to say. Well you know. This was a gift of tongues. This is the language. But the other tongue is the evidence.

No no. Paul did not teach that. Paul did not make any distinction. About tongues. Matter of fact. 1 Corinthians chapter 14. Is the chapter that you need to get A better understanding on tongues. Paul taught a whole chapter on tongues.

Told you how it needs to be done. Everything. So we're gonna go there. Matter of fact. I tell you what. We can go there now. We can go there now. 1 Corinthians chapter 14.

Yes sir we can go there now.

Verse 27 -28.

I think he wants to keep the conversation emotional. And well if you It's based on experience right. If you would experience We can put the book down. Well no we don't put the book down. We pick the book up and we say as Bereans What does the word of God say.

We don't care about your experience. Your experience doesn't mean anything to me. I want to see it in the word. So yes.

1 Corinthians chapter 14 Verse 27 -28. If anyone speaks in a tongue Let there be two or at the most Three each in turn And let one interpretate. But if there is no interpreter Let him keep silent in the church And let him speak to himself and to God.

See this is the order right here. I haven't seen this in the Pentecostal apostolic holiness church. They don't teach this. What they do is everybody get up And start speaking in tongues And have this whole Outburst of tongues.

And it's confusing. It's the very thing that Paul taught not to do Matter. Of fact we can go to verse. Let's move up a little bit. Go to verse 23. Paul said. Therefore if the whole Church comes together in one place And all speak with tongues And there come in those who are Uninformed or unbelievers will they not Say that you are out of your mind.

And I'm telling you man When you see everybody up speaking in tongues That is confusion. And the unbeliever coming in and saying man what is this. Is this some kind of circus.

I mean no man.

It brings no understanding. You know it's confusion so that's why Paul said Don't do this, this is wrong. And you know When you see this man I mean People walk around and say oh yeah I got it. I got the Holy Ghost, no the evidence Of the Holy Ghost is that you have The fruit of the spirit.

Which Jesus talked about. I'm going to go to Matthew chapter 7. I just want to give you some understanding. Matthew chapter 7. I feel like teaching. I feel like He can learn enough from me. I'm going to teach you today.

You can learn something from me brother. Put your pride down, you can learn something from me. Matthew chapter 7 verse 18 and 20. We're going to go there. Jesus said it like this. A good tree cannot bear Bad fruit.

Nor can a bad tree bear good fruit. Every tree that does not bear Good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. Therefore By their fruits you will know them. You see that. Not about a tongue. But their lifestyle.

You're going to know the tree by what fruit it is. But you're going to know that person by the life that they're living. That's what Jesus is talking about. And we can go to Galatians chapter 5. Where Paul correlates that With what Jesus is saying.

We'll go there real fast. Galatians chapter 5. Paul is preaching the same thing. Galatians chapter 5 Verse 22. And it reads. But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, self-control.

These are the fruits. These are the attributes of the Spirit. This is what's going to be manifest in you. And you're going to walk it out. This is going to be shown. People see you, they're going to see that in you.

That's the Christ in you. That's going to be manifest right there. That is the evidence that you are saved. Not because you just spoke in tongues. Because I've heard a lot of them speak in tongues. And yet they be so mean and hateful.

I mean, look at him. Look at how he talks. He can quote the Bible front and back. But he's so angry. Just furious. Like, why are you so mad? Let's sit down and discuss these doctrines. He always tells me, I'm through with that.

I don't want to talk about that. What pastor would say something like that? How many times have we had a discussion? I want to see what you're talking about. Let's discuss your doctrine. Let's see what you're talking about.

Let's get into the Word and see what the Word of God says. But your pride won't let you do that because you believe I can't teach you. And that's where you're wrong there, brother.

In 1 John The apostle had the chance to say Speaking in tongues is evidence of salvation. He didn't. He said, love of the brother. He said, the fruit The life that you live. He talked about faith A number of tests, and it was never speaking in tongues.

Yeah, right. And I wanted to show the people. The audience. That those are going to be listening. Either that's following him or in his church. Because he said in one of his videos Show me a scripture.

Where when the Holy Ghost fell on somebody. They didn't speak in tongues. I'm going to show you some scriptures. I got more than one. I got many right here. I'm just going to read a few of them. Let's start at Acts chapter 2.

Acts chapter 2. Acts chapter 2 Verse 40 and 41.

Make sure Make sure that's where we at 40 and 41.

Okay, and it reads. And with many other words He testified and exhorted them Saying, be safe from this Perverse generation. And those who gladly received his word were baptized. And that day About 3 ,000 souls were added to the church.

Now right there. Did it say they spoke in tongues right there?

No.

They was added to the church. God added them to the church When they believed the Lord That's it. The Lord has granted them salvation. It's there. That's what the scripture is saying. It didn't have to go off and say Yeah, yeah, it's going to say Nah, nah.

That's right there showing that they are believers. They was added to the church. When you added to the church You're a believer. That's what he's saying right there. We can move down to 46 46 and 47.

Okay. Acts chapter 2 verse 46 and 47. So continuing daily With one accord in the temple and breaking bread From house to house They ate their food and gladness And simplicity of the heart Praising God and having favor With all the people.

And the Lord added to the church daily Those who were being saved. You see that. Did it say they spoke in tongues?

No.

I didn't read that right there. And we can go to Acts. We just move on. Acts chapter 8. I'm sorry. Acts chapter 4. I want to give people these scriptures. So they can go back and read it themselves. Because he didn't read these scriptures.

He ain't going to read these to you. See. I'm going to give you all of it. What does it say? Total scripture. All the scripture. Man shall not live by bread alone. But by every word that proceed out of the mouth of God We take all the scripture.

Not jumping from here and there trying to complete your doctrine. You got to deal with all the scripture. All of it in its totality.

Okay.

Acts chapter 4 verse 8 Okay hold on I'm sorry Did I say 4 okay.

Yeah.