March 30, 2004

The Dividing Line Opens and the Day’s Topics

Webcasting around the world from the desert metropolis of Phoenix, Arizona, this is The Dividing Line. The Apostle Peter commanded Christians to be ready to give a defense for the hope that is within us.

Yet to give that answer with gentleness and reverence. Our host is Dr. James White, Director of Alpha Omega Ministries and an elder at the Phoenix Reformed Baptist Church. This is a live program and we invite your participation.

If you'd like to talk with Dr. White, call now at 602 -973 -4602 or toll-free across the United States. It's 1 -877 -753 -3341. And now with today's topic, here is James White.

And good morning and welcome to The Dividing Line. My name is James White. We are live today on The Dividing Line. Some of you are catching up. We have about 44 people on the channel at the moment. I mean, some of you are figuring out when it is that we are doing this, which means we'll have to change the scheduling.

No, we're not going to do that. Another person who found out that we are doing Dividing Lines now on the old schedule, 11 a .m. on Tuesday, 4 p .m. on Thursday, is a fellow who lives in the sunny state of Florida, where nothing ever dries out because it's too humid to dry out in Florida.

Actually, there's been some droughts down there, so I guess that's not completely true. And Florida is a large meteorological zone, I suppose. But anyway, we have... You know what I was going to do? And then I decided that Mike's psyche was just a little bit too fragile for this.

I was going to go, Ladies and gentlemen, we have on the phone lines today, the doctor of democracy, Ra... What's that? He dropped off? Oh, man. Okay. Well, let's go with Mike then. I decided not to do that because that would be really very unkind of me.

I can't hear him laughing, so is Mike on with me? Hi, Mike. Oh, good grief. Now I'm hearing myself. Is this working?

Now this is Chad. We've got Chad in Florida.

Sorry about that. How are you, James? I'm here. I got more sleep last night than I did the night before. Let's put it that way.

I have a question. A theological question. Got a theological question?

You know, when people come to the channel and say that, I duck.

Well, the question was if you covet thy neighbor's house, to covet thy neighbor's arse, and so forth. But is it a sin, sir, to covet thy neighbor's dog? Covet your neighbor's dog?

Yes. I don't know of anybody... Well, I guess I do covet my neighbor's dog, but... I was going to say. My neighbor's dog is smart. My dog climbed out of the really shallow end of the gene pool, okay? So the time she was a puppy, we said, Oh, two by four dog.

If any of you have ever or have never seen A .O. Minn's, Rich's dog... He's well known.

He's been known. It's known that he's actually a Jesuit infiltrator.

He is a man-eater. But in the hands of Dr. White... Yes. He turns to Jell-O. Oh, yes. Yes. Zeke loves me. He loves me. Anyway... I guess the purpose for me being on the show today is to... Is there a purpose to this?

Yeah, I was going to say. Oh, okay. Going off on a tangent here. But we have, and if any of you had tuned into The Dividing Line last year, as we were going into the debate with Greg Stafford and our crews, we had tried to get back to The Dividing Line and to let folks know.

We really tried to stay on top of things. And whenever the rates change with RCI, we try to adjust our rates accordingly. We try to always give the folks with Alpha and Omega the ability to be able to join us.

Which is not what most cruises that have all sorts of other things attached to them actually do. They just set a price, you throw it out there, and that's what you go with.

Correct. In other words, whatever price they start off with a year ahead of time in group pricing, they stick with that. Right. And all they would do is just use the extra income if the rates drop to fund their things and so forth.

Well, certainly we have to take care of bringing all these great folks like Steve Camp and James White and incredible scholars like David King and others on board, Bill Johnson as well. But we also want to make sure that we always can make it the easiest for folks to join us that really want to be a part of what we're doing at Apologetics, to be a part of having great fellowship and praise and so forth.

It's just an incredible opportunity, and the price that we try to offer is always the lowest. And I think if you take a look at any other that's going out, well, I don't want to name any names, but their prices are usually much, much, much higher than ours, almost double, if you will.

Ah, yes, they are. And we came on today to announce that RCI did make a rate adjustment, and we followed accordingly. And if you take a look on the website and click on to the Apologetics.

Someone found out how to put little yellow rate decrease things right there on the page. That was really cool.

You know, I'm starting to be able to know my way around front pages.

Oh, you shouldn't have said that. Now every geek in channels will be going, front page? Oh, that's terrible, because I use front page, too. And as soon as you say that, they go, well, you're not a real web person.

You should use Notepad and do it in HTML like all the rest of us and stuff like that.

And all of you that are trying to PM me right now, let me get you after I'm done here, okay? But anyway, if you take a look down to the bottom of the page, you'll see that we had a price drop that went from $1 ,060 for a balcony stateroom to $860.

Wow. Okay, so we took that down $200 per person. And as well, with the junior suites, which are just beautiful suites, if you take a look at the one on your website there, it's kind of like the one that Dr. Rowe got blessed with last year.

Amen. And these are just beautiful suites. You can fit eight people into them if you want to have some folks over to talk or to pray or whatever else. Just fantastic. And that along with our already low price, which is, if you take a look at what you can get on with us for, $490.

And that's for seven days. Your meals are included, your non-alcoholic drinks are included, et cetera, as well as your conference time, the music with Steve Camp, which Steve will be doing things every single day with us, your theology talks at night, everything included for $490.

Which, you know, I've pointed this out to folks before, you could not go to any of the amusement parks in Southern California because we're going out of Long Beach. And so, you know, you're in Southern California, you couldn't go to any of those amusement parks for that kind of price and actually eat and then stay at a hotel.

And you'd have to walk around all over the place instead of floating along in the Pacific Ocean. So it's just a ridiculously small amount of money for the week that you get. And then you throw in, you know, there's something going on.

There's a conference, there's teaching, there's the fellowship and stuff. And that's what I like about the fact that we adjust the rates and have more folks going because, you know, we got to meet all sorts of really neat people when we go on the cruises.

And you're not just sitting around with just these super highbrow folks that, you know, are the only group that can get to go on each one of these cruises because, you know, they're already retired multimillionaires or something like that.

You get to talk to the folks who, well, who are out there doing the work themselves. So it's a really neat opportunity. Amen.

And not only that, but we also have offered for anybody that joins us on the cruise, we are going to have a conference and a debate prior to the cruise. The cruise itself, we're going to be taking a look at the doctrine of justification.

But prior to the cruise, for two days, we are going to be having a debate, number one, on Friday night between Dr. James White, you know him?

Yeah, I've heard he's bald and unlikable. Yeah, he's a little excitable sometimes.

And Douglas Wilson. And one of the debates that I think that we've been trying to pursue for a little bit of a time, and certainly this is something that you want to make sure that you're at, especially if you're concerned about apologetics, if you're concerned about the argument that we're going to be coveted people.

If you think about it, think back ten years, how many poor folks got over ECT? How many folks separated Christ as being accepted now? Oh, yeah. And almost as Hank would put it, in the pale of orthodoxy.

So this is something that we're going to take on Friday night. We'll be having Phil Johnson from Grace to You in the Spurgeon Archive. He'll be coming and talking to us about NT Wright's position on justification.

David King will be speaking. Steve Camp and then James Bond the Cruise with us. It's impossible. This is just an offer, really, like we have not put together before.

You know, as soon as I say that, there's going to be certain people who are offended, so I'm going to avoid that one.

Well, I'd say the average age would be somewhere between 20. Oh, yeah, we did. Who will remain nameless? What was that? Who will remain nameless? Yes. I wasn't one of them, by the way. Okay, I just wanted to mention that.

Not yet. But we just had a fantastic time. Royal Caribbean's vision of Mazatlan, Cabo San Lucas with James a little bit. Or at the Hamburger Grill. Hey, hey, hey, hey. But not the sushi bar. But affordable.

Excuse me, what was that? Excuse me, what was that term? What? I'm sorry, what? What does that mean? They what? Vacation. Oh, vacation. Vacation. I don't know how to define that. Hey, you know, I just popped onto Catholic Answers' website.

While I was speaking? Well, yes, I did. Oh, thanks for paying attention. Well, you know, I just figure I can trust you. It's called multitasking here. And I'm looking at what they've got going here. And their lowest, they're on Hall of America this run.

This is October 2nd through the 6th. And the lowest price I see on a double is $1 ,900. Then $2 ,300, $3 ,000, $3 ,100, and $4 ,000. Yeah. What ship are they on, by the way? They are on the Mazdam. What was their lowest rate?

Now I've got to go back to where I was. The lowest rate that I see here is $1 ,900.

So, in other words, they put about a $1 ,000 pad on each one of their cabins.

By the way, I don't want anybody writing, we're not saying that's wrong. If that's what you want to do, fine. I'm just simply saying we don't do that because we want to have a different group of people with us, basically.

I mean, we certainly want to have great speakers. We want to have incredible musicians and so forth with us. We don't want to ever try to profit off of this necessarily. We can get together. We are together with people that are like-minded in ministry.

It's just a wonderful time of fellowship. It really is. Whether we're in the Mexican Riviera, the Caribbean, or Alaska, wherever we are.

Well, I'm looking forward to it, and I want to let folks know that that had taken place. Because not everybody is going to be checking the web page all the time. But this is a major thing that we're doing, especially with the conference and stuff, and we really hope that folks will be joining us.

I was going to tie this in, unfortunately. Let me see if I can go back on this. No, I can't. I had a website up, I was going to mention to you, Mike, at Catholic Answers. And they've got it set, I don't know how they do this, but they've got it set to where it's not really scrolls, but it keeps changing the ads on the front.

And right before it changed, while we were still talking, under new titles, there was a tape set from Scott Hahn, Faith Alone, Is It Justifiable? And it's a new tape set attacking Sola Fide, which, of course, is directly relevant to what we're talking about.

It's sad that here you've got the Scott Hahn-type folks attacking the doctrine of justification. We expect that. That's been going on for a long, long time. But so much of the attack upon justification by faith today is coming from what is, quote-unquote, inside the church, rather than inside what used to be what we thought was our own lines, shall we say.

And now it's sort of like, remember at the beginning of Gladiator, when the Germans run out to attack the Romans, which was really stupid anyways, but then all of a sudden the Roman cavalry comes from behind them?

That's sort of the situation. We thought we knew which direction we were fighting, but now it's all around us. So, unfortunately, that tape set disappeared. And it was fascinating. It looked like it was a two-tape set for $24.

Woo-hoo! There's a little bit of padding, shall we say. Anyhow, Welser, thank you very much. They can find the cruise page right off the main page at aomin .org. So anytime you go read the blog, just right over to the top on the right, you'll be able to see the link there.

And I think most people will be able to forgive you for using front page. They forgave me for using front page. So I don't think they should hold that against us at all. Okay, brother. All right, man.

Thanks a lot. Take care. All right. God bless. Bye-bye. 877 -753 -3341. Yes, one other thing before we start taking our phone calls. I do have a clip we can play if we run out of phone calls. I don't know if we're going to or not.

But we have finally gotten around. Yes, indeed, we have so many things we're doing to updating the MP3 list. So the dividing lines are there now and what they were about and things like that. So if you've been wondering, that's what you can do.

You can get on the MP3 list now, and there will be material there that you can look at as far as the new dividing lines. And don't forget, this coming weekend, for those of you who are up in the Utah area, two debates, Friday night.

These are all on our calendar page. Yes, the calendar page is actually currently updated and current. I know that's a shock. But on the calendar page, we have a debate Friday night on the subject of, Do Christians Build Temples?

The University of Utah against a Mormon apologist. And Saturday night, someone is actually going to be defending the thesis that the Bible presents and supports homosexual marriage. And obviously, I'm going to be refuting that particular perspective.

Also at the University of Utah, same location. And so if you can't make it, please pray for us as we do these debates and then come back on Sunday afternoon. No, we will not be going to the General Conference of the Mormon Church.

I haven't been doing that for a number of times now, mainly because there are a bunch of people standing outside who are irrational and beyond any hope of dialogue or conversation with them. They are called King James Only Fundamentalist Baptist street preachers.

And actually, I don't think we should actually even connect them with King James Only Fundamentalist, period, because I know King James Only Fundamentalist, period, that you can talk to. And so that's a whole other issue.

Anyways, that's coming up this weekend. Yeah, they just aren't nice people. That's just all there is to it. Okay, let's go ahead and, oh man, do we have to do this? Because, you know, I was saying to Pete earlier that I was scanning the channel and there were no Canuckians in channel.

But now we're going to go to Vancouver, Canada on our first shot and talk to Randy. Wow, okay, all right. Hi, Randy. Is it still legal for you to call a program like this from Canada? I'm not sure, actually.

Thanks for taking my call, Dr. White. Are there any bugs on the line? Maybe someone from the government is listening. We need to be very kind today, okay? Yes, indeed.

We'll have to be careful of what we talk about here.

And we don't want you charged $5 ,000 or $6 ,000 for daring to quote from the Bible, so that would be a bad thing. But then again, it's Canadian dollars, so it's not as bad as American dollars. That's true.

Anyhow, sorry, Randy. We had this thing going on in channel with Canadians, and you just sort of stumbled into it. But it's okay. We love you. The church extends beyond our northern border. It really does.

Well, that's a relief.

Thanks for taking my call. Yes, sir. I read Chosen But Free quite a while back, and then someone told me about the Potter's Freedom. I think it was an excellent review. I think that for the vast majority of what you've written there, and on top of that, I'd like to say I appreciate your ministry.

I think it's a valuable one for sure. The question I have for you, and one regarding Calvinism, a question that never has really been answered to my satisfaction yet at this point, and I don't think it's been probably about a year now since I've read your book, and I can't remember your exact response to it, but I'm satisfied with the answer to this question, and that was what would you do, what do you do then in the end with the or how would you get around the idea that God is not the author of sin?

And I ask that in the sense that if events in the world unfold exactly the way they do because God has created people make the choices they do,.

How do you get around that? I don't understand it. Did you get a chance to listen to the Bible Answer Man program?

I've listened to it a number of times, but not on this particular.

Well, what I mean is in December 16th, 17th, and 18th, and those CDs are still available from CRI, I was on with George Bryson and Hank Hanegraaff, and we were discussing this very issue. It kept coming up over and over again, and then in the weeks after that, on the dividing line, that was an almost constant topic of conversation was what do you do with the issue of George Bryson's constantly saying this makes God the author of evil, and I just can't accept that, and we talked about compatibilism.

We went through Acts 4 and Isaiah 10 and Genesis 50. A number of times, a number of callers brought it up over the weeks afterwards, so while I'll be brief here, you might want to look at the archives of the dividing line, which are available at straightgate .com, and catch the dividing line starting somewhere around the 17th or 18th of December, and you'll see that there's a fair amount of discussion of it, and some of the discussion is fairly lengthy.

There are a couple of times that I played, for example, some calls that came into the program after I was on and responded to things that were said there. There was one particular program where I went over the use of the illustration by Hank Hanegraaff regarding Sonny and Cher and his assertion that, well, even though we know Sonny and Cher divorced, actually it was about 30 years ago, that doesn't mean we caused the divorce, and hence that means from his perspective God's knowledge is gained the same way we gain knowledge, and yada, yada, yada.

So we've gone over it a number of times. I would just basically say that the fundamental answer is to be found in recognizing the difference between being an author who intends and desires the result of evil and being an author who intends and desires the ultimate result of pure holiness and good.

And what I mean by that is when we look at what the Scriptures teach concerning this particular issue, there is no question that God makes uncomfortable statements, such as Isaiah 45, 7, where he says, I create Shalom and I create Ra.

Shalom is peace, well-being. Ra is evil and calamity. The Scriptures say if evil comes upon a city, has not the Lord done it? You have the very clear statements of God in Genesis 50, that it was his hand that brought about the selling of Joseph into slavery, which included all sorts of sinful acts as far as the hatred of his brothers and the selling of their brother into slavery and the deception of their father and constant lying over long periods of time and all sorts of things like that.

You have it in Isaiah 10 where God brings Assyria against Israel and there's pillaging and murder and all sorts of terrible things there and yet God says, I've brought them against you as punishment and then I'm going to punish them for having the wrong attitude in doing what they're doing and being prideful and so on and so forth.

And then, of course, you have the clear statement of the early church in Acts 4, that it was God's hand and God's will that purposed the very crucifixion of Christ, which was, I think, quite arguably the most evil action that man has ever undertaken to crucify the sinless Son of God.

So you have all of those statements and then in all of them, you have the assertion of the absolute purity of God, the absolute holiness of God. And so you have to take a clue from each one of those and realize that the issue is the intention of the heart.

When God has Joseph sold into slavery, it is not his intention to rejoice in evil and to embrace evil. He's not doing it for evil desires. In fact, the specific statement of the scriptures is, he did this to save many people alive.

This was the methodology that God chose to use to put Joseph into the position he was to save his family and to put Israel in the position of growing there in Egypt and then bring about the result of the exodus, the ravaging of the idolatrous nation, the destruction of the idolatrous gods of Egypt, the demonstration of his name, the demonstration of his power and authority.

All those things were wrapped up in this one particular event. And the same thing in Isaiah 10, the fact that the Assyrians are punished because of the intention of their heart, and yet God is glorified in the very same action because of the intention of his heart.

And then, of course, Acts chapter 4, Herod punches Pilate, the Jews, the Romans. They're all obviously culpable and blameworthy for what they do because they're acting on the intentions of their heart, which is evil.

They desire to, the Jews hate Christ. They want to see him destroyed because he's exposed their sinfulness. The Romans are just heartless. Pilate's a wimp. Herod's a nutcase. And each one of them is held accountable because they act upon the intentions of their heart.

But the intention of God's heart in each one of those actions is not only his ultimate glorification, but the glory of his people, the betterment of his people, the sanctification of his people, the establishment of the church and the gospel and so on and so forth.

And so when we look at actions, we have to judge those actions based upon the intention of the ones acting and the results of the one acting. And so the scriptures give us then this indication. You clearly see that God has the right to do with those who are under his wrath what he chooses to do and that he is free to bring about his own glory in the punishment of those people or the use of those people as he does with Pharaoh.

He raises Pharaoh up, puts Pharaoh in the position that he puts Pharaoh in specifically for the purpose of the proclamation of his name, the demonstration of his power. He says this plainly. He says this clearly.

What are we going to do with that? Any theistic system has to deal with these issues. The reformed theistic system simply does so up front rather than moving the issue back three or four steps and then sort of like people want to do covering over the tracks in the sand as if there hasn't been a movement.

Any person who believes that God has knowledge of the future has to deal with this issue. Whether they want to deal with it or not, whether they choose to deal with it, whether they come up with a meaningful answer or not, I don't know.

The only people who can duck this are open theists, process theologians, other people who basically throw their hands up in the air and say, hey, God started all this, but you can't blame him for it because he had no idea this was coming.

Other than that, you have to deal with this. The reformed person deals with it right up front and says, purpose, final result, glorification of God. Let's start there. Let's start with what the scriptures state in each one of these examples and then move forward from there.

Rather than starting with the assumption, free will of man, autonomy, and the inevitable result being a diminishment of either God's knowledge or God's power or complete denial of his decree, whatever it might be.

And so the answer then is to be found in what you mean by author. And by author you mean someone who brings something about so that the intention of their heart is, in this case, to fulfill evil longings and desires, then no.

If what you mean by that is that God has used secondary sources and means, ourselves, to bring about his ultimate good, but that it did include sin and evil and the eventual destruction thereof in the demonstration of God's power and glory, then yes.

So you have to define what the phraseology and terminology means and then go to the scriptures with what the question really is all about.

Well, that is a very thorough response. And I appreciate it. Actually, that was well done. I'm glad I'll be able to pick this up actually on the recording on the Internet so that I can use that.

Yeah, and I'd just like to say in passing, I'd like to thank again Stephen Luker and, of course, Rich Pierce. Those are the two guys that make, and Pete. Pete out there in Canada. Did you know that you're listening to this because of a Canadian?

No, I had no idea. He's out in Nova Scotia, and he drives a yellow car, and I feel sorry for him. We pray for his deliverance from the yellow car. But he is a Canadian, and the reason you're able to hear this live on the Internet right now is because of him, and we couldn't do it without him and Stephen Luker and Rich Pierce.

So I hope you'll take the opportunity. We went over this a number of times after the program. In fact, if I were you, in fact, AOMN, are we going to finally get around to doing what we said we were going to do and make those CRI programs available where we can get ahold of CRI, find out what our price is going to be, and just throw them into the mix there?

Because we've talked about doing that, and we might as well, you know, people want to know about that, right?

Yeah, I still have yet to have a chance to get to that. I've been DVDing my fingers off. Yes, I know, but we're going to do that. And put it as part of a package sort of thing, perhaps, and also by itself.

Yeah, okay. All right, so we're going to be doing that.

So we'll have that stuff available, and I hope you'll take time to look at that. And that's the whole reason we're here is to try to, you know, provide this type of stuff to folks and say, hey, you know, I can't shove this down somebody's throat.

Here's the information. Think about it. Take it to the Word of God. Test it. That's what we're all about. And it's neat that we even make it across the border. For now, anyways, you know, eventually, I imagine Canadian servers are going to have to put filters on us because of how politically incorrect we are.

And I only say that, sadly, only semi-joking. I mean, look at one of the topics of the debates that I'm going to be doing this weekend. I'm going to be debating against a person who is promoting homosexual marriage.

And sadly, you probably have to agree with me that you could foresee that not being something that is wanted across certain borders. Yes, indeed. It's a sad thing. So we will continue not only to pray for our country, but need to pray for yours, too.

Yeah, thank you, Dr. White. All right, sir. There are a number of us here that really appreciate your ministry. I just want to say that again. And it is a valuable ministry, and it has done a lot of good here among us.

So thank you very much, and we'll be listening to your show. Thanks a lot, Randy. God bless you. Bye-bye. Bye-bye.

The Cruise, Conference, and Rate Drop Announcement

Beautiful city, Vancouver. Except that one section where all the green high-rises, they're sort of like green. Was that purposeful? Or is that just, oh, the paint changed color in the sea air. Oh, no.

You go across a bridge when you're getting toward where the ships are. I've gone out of Vancouver twice, and it was just really odd there. Nice airport, though. Except they had no meaningful food. I mean, there was not like a McDonald's around.

I mean, it was really odd. But anyway, the MP3s should be ready within an hour or so. MP3s of what?

You know, this just pops up on my screen. I'm supposed to just. He was asking about recordings, and I said the MP3s of this show should be ready. Oh, this show. Oh, okay.

After the webcast. See, I just assumed he was talking about the Straitgate stuff back with the dividing line back in December. So I'm just not all here. Hey, aren't we supposed to be taking a break right now?

Yeah. Okay, so I'll just do some of the music now. There it is. All right. 877 -753 -3341. We'll be right back.

Under the guise of tolerance, modern culture grants alternative lifestyle status to homosexuality. Even more disturbing, some within the church attempt to revise and distort Christian teaching on this behavior.

In their book, The Same-Sex Controversy, James White and Jeff Neal write for all who want to better understand the Bible's teaching on the subject, explaining and defending the foundational Bible passages that deal with homosexuality, including Genesis, Leviticus, and Romans.

Expanding on these scriptures, they refute the revisionist arguments, including the claim that Christians today need not adhere to the law. In a straightforward and loving manner, they appeal to those caught up in a homosexual lifestyle to repent and to return to God's plan for His people.

The Same-Sex Controversy, defending and clarifying the Bible's message about homosexuality. Get your copy in the bookstore at aomin .org.

Answering those who claim that only the King James Version is the Word of God, James White, in his book, The King James Only Controversy, examines allegations that modern translators conspired to corrupt scripture and lead believers away from true Christian faith.

In a readable and responsible style, author James White traces the development of Bible translations, old and new, and investigates the differences between new versions and the authorized version of 1611.

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What is Dr. Norman Geisler warning the Christian community about in his book, Chosen But Free? A New Cult? Secularism? False Prophecy Scenarios? No, Dr. Geisler is sounding the alarm about a system of beliefs commonly called Calvinism.

He insists that this belief system is theologically inconsistent, philosophically insufficient, and morally repugnant. In his book, The Pottish Freedom, James White replies to Dr. Geisler,. But the Pottish Freedom is much more than just a reply.

It is a defense of the very principles upon which the Protestant Reformation was founded. Indeed, it is a defense of the very gospel itself. In a style that both scholars and laymen alike can appreciate, James White masterfully counters the evidence against so-called extreme Calvinism, defines what the Reformed faith actually is, and concludes that the gospel preached by the Reformers is the very one taught in the pages of Scripture.

The Pottish Freedom, a defense of the Reformation and a rebuttal to Norman Geisler's Chosen But Free. You'll find it in the Reformed Theology section of our bookstore at aomin .org.

You know, those words were prompted by the great stand of Martin Luther when called to recant of his words and his writings. And he said, I cannot go against conscience. And right now there is someone in channel demanding that I recant of having noticed that someone north of the border drives a little yellow car.

And it is not good to go against one's conscience. I just think that old Pete out there needs to go back and listen to what I said before demanding a recantation. So here I stand, and that's just the way it is.

877 -753 -3341. Hey, Pete, you can call in if you'd like to defend the yellow car. All of a sudden our feed switches over to 1980s music or something like that. That's probably what's going to happen.

I did have something I can play while you are... Oh, okay. I look over at the window that tells me what I'm supposed to do. Mike forgot to mention the special rates, the Sheraton. Encourage folks to stay for two nights.

Okay, there, I read it. We do have special rates if you're coming out and being a part of the conference. And so we want you to take advantage of that situation as well. If you have not told maybe some of your elders about this conference, you might want to let them know.

There is a webpage. I'm not 100 certain how to get to it. I'm not sure where the links are. But there is a webpage concerning the conference. Okay, let me step in here.

Okay, yeah. Ladies and gentlemen, he's not the world's greatest salesman. Let me tell you.