Book of 1 Timothy - Ch. 2, Vs. 8-14 (04/14/2002) | NOTE: Silent gap from 48:42 to 49:00

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I think we'll just get directly started into this today. You're ready early Let's just start right into first second first Timothy chapter 2

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I'm sorry, man. I I Yeah, I'd have seen you sitting over there we'd have done a song

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I Saw him coming. He's getting his Bible First Timothy chapter 2 and We started out and did the first part of this with about verse 6 last week verses 5 & 6

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Went down through Verse 7

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I Think we'll start with verse 8 today Let's pray and we'll get started father.

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We thank you for your word. We thank you for your Holy Spirit our teacher We thank you that you have given us the written word

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You've put down your righteous laws in writing we thank you that you're a just God and that we thank you for the cross of Jesus Christ, which allows your justice and your mercy to meet one another and Lord we ask you to bless our teaching time this afternoon

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That you would teach us with the scriptures by your Holy Spirit as well Jesus name.

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Amen Let's start with about verse 8 read down through the end of this chapter

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And we will cover this the best we can with the time we have. I Will therefore that men pray?

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Everywhere in the Greek there is a little word that you don't find in the English right before the word men is the word of thee

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I Will therefore that the men pray everywhere lifting up holy hands without wrath and doubting

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It doesn't mean that women are not supposed to pray but it's emphasizing that the men are the leaders in the church and in the families and This is verse 8 specifically is speaking to the men and the men only

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There are many many other verses in the Bible that would speak to the women about prayer as well But this one does not this speaks to the men as leaders in the congregation and in the homes

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I will therefore that the men pray everywhere lifting up holy hands without wrath and doubting in Light manner also that women adorn themselves in modest apparel with shamefacedness and sobriety

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Not with broidered hair or gold or pearls or costly array but which becometh women professing godliness with good works and Verse 11 let the women learn in silence with all subjection

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But I suffer not a woman to teach nor usurp authority over the man But to be in silence for Adam was first formed and then

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Eve and Adam was not deceived But the woman being deceived was in the transgression not withstanding

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She shall be saved and childbearing if they continue in faith and charity and holiness with sobriety

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Let's take this last passage of Scripture starting with verse 9 this afternoon

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Now what I want to do. I want to finish this study up with these last verses but I want to go to a parallel passage and We're going to Use the

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Bible interpretative point which says let the Bible interpret the Bible this afternoon

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We're going to bring this one into practice so turn to 1st Corinthians chapter 11 verse 17 and we'll find a parallel passage that sheds a great deal of light on this passage

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Many have asked questions about these things What does the Bible mean when it says for the women to remain silent in the church?

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Does that mean they can't give a testimony or they can't? Sing out loud. What what what does it mean?

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Does it mean they can't teach? Anybody does it mean they can't teach the men Does it mean they can never talk and And So there are a lot of difficult questions asked about this and the reason they're difficult

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I believe is because no one will deal with them in the modern church It's just too dangerous Because if you get the women mad at you and they go home and turn the husbands against you the pastor all of a sudden standing

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Up preaching to his kids His wife won't even be there So So it's a dangerous topic

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But it's not that it's difficult. It's just that it's not dealt with very much anymore today

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So let's deal with it in a proper way using our proper Bible interpretative methods 1st

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Corinthians chapter 11 verse 17 I believe that the first thing that we have to identify or define is

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This phrase it is the phrase quote in the church in the church

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What does this phrase mean if we can understand what this phrase means? Then we come a long way towards interpreting what the passage in 1st

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Timothy chapter 2 means So let's look at this 1st Corinthians I'm sorry 1st Timothy chapter 2 but look at 1st

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Corinthians chapter 11 verse 17 now in this That I declare unto you I praise you not that you come together

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Not for the better, but for the worse Now these people were having a problem with the

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Lord's Supper Presume and with church fellowships and they were they were not treating one another properly and Paul rebukes them for it

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And it sets the stage To deal with this phrase of being together in the church in the church meetings in the assembly when the church comes together to assemble and he starts off addressing this problem of The food and he goes into verse 18 for first of all when you come together in the church now

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I want you to sort of underline that phrase at least in your minds when you come together in the church

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Because this is going to have a bearing on what the Lord teaches about women being in silence and so forth when you come together in the church,

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I hear that there are divisions among you and He says I partly believe it in other words,

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I'm beginning to believe what I'm hearing is true So he has heard this About the church and now he says

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I'm beginning to believe it for there must Be also heresies among you that they which are approved may be made manifest among you

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Who when ye come together therefore into one place now, there's the phrase again

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Kind of underlying that phrase in our minds when you come together into one place

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This is not to eat the Lord's Supper, etc. Now, we're not focusing on the Lord's Supper today

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We're focusing on what it means when we come together in one place Now look at 1st

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Corinthians chapter 14 in verse 17 You'll see this little phrase again 1st

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Corinthians 14 17 For thou verily give us. Thanks. Well, but the other is not edified.

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I Thank my God that I speak with now the word is languages not unknown tongues

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It's languages more than you all Yet in the church now see the little phrase in the church

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So there is a difference Between Paul being at home and speaking in languages or being in the church and Speaking in languages.

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Do you see that? He's making the difference yet the word yet always implies a contrast so he says

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I speak with languages more than all of you that means It implies that it means when

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I'm not together with you in the church But when I do come together with you in the church

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I had rather speak five words with my understanding that by my voice I might teach others also than 10 ,000 words in an unknown language

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Now look at verse 28 But if there be no interpreter of these languages

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Let him keep silence in the church. Now look at the word silence And the phrase in the church

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He is not saying keep silence at a home Bible study He is not saying keep silence

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When you're on the street witnessing or in the store or the grocery store or buying the gasoline or with the kin folks

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He's saying specifically in the church meeting in the assembly when we come together for the assembly

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Now we see the this distinction made in this these passages dealing with the Lord's Supper with speaking in languages and So forth now go back to chapter 14 in verse 23 and you'll see

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The definition of what this little these little phrases mean what is the key to understanding what it means when we come together in the church if therefore

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Every word is important here now The whole the word whole is important church

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Be come together Come together is important in one place is important There is the definition if you take every word and you study the words carefully and you put it together then you begin to see what this means when it talks about coming together in the church or Coming together or being together in one place or yet in the church.

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I had rather speak, etc, etc If therefore the whole church be come together in one place the word whole means the complete church

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Not a part of it the whole church so you can see how if you had a situation which we don't have so much in this church, but Someday we may just depends on how many teachers we have that have the gift of teaching in our congregation at any one time and Who volunteer to do such we might have room set aside where we have classes going on all over?

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Someday if we grow and we have Another sanctuary and we turn this whole thing into an education building or whatever and you had room for even more classes

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You could envision a time during Sunday school when you have the church split up into many different classes with different teachers

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This verse says when the whole church when the complete church comes together So I'm not commenting on what if there is a ruling on Sunday school classes such as that or not

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What I am saying is what the Bible says is when the whole church comes together So I do know that it's talking about a time such as that Now in a church like ours where our adult

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Sunday school class is is a mixed class pretty much of all the adults You know, that's almost comes into play of the whole church, but it's not necessarily the whole church

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You don't have the youth there all the time. You don't have the little children there sometimes, but The thing that is clear is he is speaking of the time when the whole church comes together the best

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Example of that for us would be the 11 o 'clock service. I Mean, there's no doubt in my mind that it refers to that The 11 o 'clock service it could very well refer to a time such as our 10 o 'clock

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Sunday school since we have a master teacher Who teaches predominantly the whole church? But my point is it says whole second thing

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It says church the word church is a clay see ah, which means the called -out ones

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It also is used in the New Testament to mean a popular meeting place, especially a religious congregation

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It has been interpreted in other verses in the New Testament into the word assembly So we see we're talking about when the whole

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Assembly comes together when the whole church the whole assembly when we assemble together Before the

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Lord this phrase is discussing that the word together is important It means to convene.

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It's a Greek word That means to convene or associate with one another or cohabit in the same place

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So when the whole church comes together and then the last phrase into one place

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Two little Greek words F E and the word hold the word home means this or one and the word

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F E means to come Along beside so when the whole church comes along beside one another into one assembly, that's what we're talking about Now what that tells me is since the

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Bible is so specific in defining what we're talking about That we have to be careful not to extrapolate that out into other areas that are not defined in the same way for example a home

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Bible study But this is talking about when the whole church comes together for the assembly

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Now it since we're in the middle in the midst of first Corinthians 14

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Let me deal with one question that some have brought up and even some commentators say this

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They are absolutely wrong when they say this so I want to point it out. This is not a teaching in First Corinthians 14 that teaches that women are not supposed to speak with languages or prophesy

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Now there have been those who said this does not mean that women are to remain silent in the church

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What it really means is they're just not they were supposed to remain silent with regard to speaking in tongues or prophesying

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Doesn't mean that The way that we can prove that it's not teaching that is you can go into first Corinthians chapter 12

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Verses 7 through 12. We won't take the time to do it today Or you can go into chapter 11 of first Corinthians chapter 2 through 12 and it shows clearly that God distributes his gifts to women as well as men and It shows clearly that there were in fact female

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Prophets in the early church now, we have another problem. We have to deal with it's amazing

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How if you use the concept of Bible interpretation where you let the Bible interpret the

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Bible it clears up so many things But there are so many modern interpretation Well, what is the prophet and even your best commentators?

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Many of them will say to prophesy simply means to speak forth the Word of God. That is not true How do

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I know well because if something that a commentator says contradicts the plain teaching of the

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Bible You have to go with the Bible not the commentator No matter how great his name is and if you will do this

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I'll challenge you start with Genesis go through revelation Look up the word prophet everywhere you see it and write down the verse and go through and you find out

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God's Definition of what a prophet is a prophet is someone who can speak forth the future He can tell you what

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God is about to do. Now. There are other things prophets can do. Yes, they can preach Yes, they can exhort they can even rebuke and and the the spirit of a prophet

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Is that he is more of a rebuker and exhorter in a strong way than perhaps the pastor might be if he didn't have quote the gift of prophecy

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So when you think of preachers who come in and kind of clean house and then leave, you know They come in for a week clean house even straighten the pastor out everybody boy and he takes off now the pastor's got to come

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Back put it all back together. You think it won't he preached like a prophet? I think of brother Rocky boy, he's the priest when

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I think of that He had that sort of prophetic delivery, but I will tell you this he never once told me the future other than what

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God has Revealed to us in the book of Revelation and other places where he reveals the future

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Rocky didn't claim to have the gift of prophecy. I Say that the gift of prophecy is not dead.

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It is dormant I've Gone full circle on my belief about the gifts in the last two years

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I used to say they just absolutely are not operative in this in this Dispensation as you most of you have heard my teaching on that.

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I don't believe that anymore What I believe is is you're going to study it carefully Everything is operative

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It's just that I have finally for the first time of my life studied the gifts through the concept of the sovereignty of God that changes everything

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I used to study it through the Arminian view of you know from the human viewpoint and You get so confused every doctrine you study if you study from that viewpoint, you can get confused even the doctrine of salvation

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But this doctrine the gifts if you'll simply study it from the viewpoint of the sovereignty of God and understand that God is the

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Only one who can sovereignly dispense the gifts and also there's this little word in the

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Greek called herb Which comes into physics, I think doesn't it don't they talk about is it a power word?

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It's a work Has to do with the definition of work. What is work? give

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Moving a mask or a specified distance and the force that it takes to do it That little word comes from the

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Greek and it happens to be the energy or the force or the work now Physics wise

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I'm off on this But it all ties together the force or the work that it takes to move something and make things happen in this physical world

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God supplies the herbs So it's not that the gifts are gone or in operative

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What it is is God can withdraw the herbs anytime. It's just like flipping the switch off There may be any number of you in this room that have the gift of discernment

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The interesting thing about the switch is it's not a switch It's a it's one of these knobs some of you have maybe a chandelier where you can

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Turn the knob and it gets brighter a dimmer switch. These things are on a dimmer switch

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That's the way it works with the Lord He doesn't have to turn the switch up as bright and as high with the spirit of discernment

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Today as he did in the early church when they didn't have this yet Because when you have someone come in with the gift of prophecy and they stand up say hey

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God told me this last night Brother Roger, I'm supposed to tell you not to go to Jerusalem next week

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That's just straight to you from God and he told me I don't know why I didn't tell you but he just told me That's for you.

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Well dad back here stands up says wait a minute. I've got the gift of discernment I don't think that came from God and Brother Jesse stands up back there and says

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I don't think it did either So I Roger says well, then

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I don't think I'm going to listen to this Okay You would have to have far more discernment to know if that did or didn't come from God think about it

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Let's it's not in the scriptures. Just I say I proclaim God told me this brother Roger You've got to have a lot more discernment to know if that really came from God Then if I come to you and I look at this and say if you will confess your sins

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He is faithful and just to forgive you of your sins and to cleanse you from all unrighteousness God told me to tell you that now dad.

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How'd I do there? Jesse was that one true or not true? It's true.

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It's in the Bible Now you still have to have discernment though, don't we?

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Because teachers can still deceive even with the Bible, but you don't have to have the urge turned up as much

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That's just one illustration now, that's That's where I have come on the gifts now

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Let me so let me address then this gift of prophecy and I want to tell you this the reason you get the wrong

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Definition is because people have misunderstood the gifts in our daytime in our lifetime

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Most of the conservative commentators you read believe like we do that.

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You shouldn't be seeing these things everywhere all the time People jumping up and speaking in untold unknown languages like I'm almost doing it here practice little

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I was talking Honda People standing up often in the congregation saying

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I want the whole congregation know that God told me this for y 'all None of us would feel really at peace if that were happening why because in our

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Background starting from where we first got saved whenever it was coming all the way up to today We have not seen this in our churches

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We've heard about it happening in Pentecostal churches and charismatic churches or at least something that looks like it

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But we're not comfortable with that You know why because the truth is if these things had been real over the last 50 years

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Why is it that God totally excluded the Bible churches and the Baptist churches and he put all the prophets and the tongue speakers only in the

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Pentecostal Church If it were truly the Holy Spirit turning herbs on on the earth for a purpose

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I'll tell you this Joel says that as the second advent comes nearer

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You will see more of this just as you did at the first coming of Jesus. I May have you've read a whole lot about tongues speaking a

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Thousand years before Jesus came the first time Can you show me a bunch of verses that talk about it all through the

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Old Testament? No, but when he came didn't you see a lot about it? How many of you can go in the Old Testament and see a whole lot of cases where they were a demonized people were being?

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undemonized In the Old Testament before Jesus came you don't see a lot I mean you might think of Saul and David playing his instruments and and that's one little example in thousands of years of history

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But you don't see it a lot. But when Jesus came what happened? Almost every day it it rose up and and became obvious Satan made himself more obvious and Prophesying you had in and here's the confusing part book of Acts going through the epistles you have

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What we would call New Testament prophets What is the definition?

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Identical to an Old Testament prophet In fact, they didn't see Old Testament New Testament in their lifetime, did they it just like they they were born in the

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Old Testament Died the New Testament They didn't see like a definitive place where this

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Dispensation stopped and this one is now going in their lifetime because they lived from one end to the other

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The truth is they were identical the New Testament prophets the same as the Old Testament prophet

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He was not someone who just merely proclaimed the word. I do that brother Otis does that some of you do that?

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This is a make you a prophet So I'm going to tell you this today. You'll never understand what this teaching means about women

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Remaining silent in the church and yet you have these passages. I just pointed out Over in first Corinthians 11 and so forth where it literally mentions a a female prophesying out loud in the church

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She was something you don't have At least I've never seen one at all in my whole lifetime

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And I don't know if you have either because God turned the urns off there Well may be a female prophet sitting right in this church right now

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But don't ever try to make that happen because if you do it'll be heresy in the end times right before Jesus comes the second time

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God is going to turn on the energy and all kinds of these gifts are Going to prop up in real churches.

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It won't be fake. It won't be the charismatic mania stuff. It will be

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Miraculous works, but that is what a prophet is so When you see this injunction in first Timothy and in Corinthians 14 where we're studying and it says for women to remain silent in the church

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It did not include prophesying they could do that if God turned the energy on and they were supposed to They could also speak with unknown languages therefore it is not an

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Exhortation saying women must reign remain silent with regard to tongues and prophesying it meant the opposite They that was the time when they could

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Speak is if that were happening and it were from God, but other than that They were exhorted to remain silent in the church when the whole church comes together and back to our definition of what the assembly means

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Now that straightens up a lot of confusion That you will find out there in the different books you read

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But if you'll just stick with your Bible, you'll find it's absolutely the way it is So we don't have before us here in this passage a teaching that is teaching us.

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They must remain silent With regard to tongue speaking that that's it's not true at all or with regard to prophesying

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Now, what is this passage teaching? well Our passage in Corinthians is teaching several things.

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We're in 1st Corinthians 14 Let's start with about verse 23 It is teaching several things that should not be done in the church

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Which by the Bible definition means quote if the whole church be come together in one place

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This is the only Time when this speaks to it So Ladies I think that should be very important in your life as women

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To understand that God is defining a specific time and place where this holds true.

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It is not a general rule It is a very specific time and place when this rule holds true and there's not just one rule here

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There are several things that are taught Now some have to do with women some have to do with the whole church

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In this passage about how to behave in the church when the whole church comes together Let's look and see what they are first of all first Corinthians 14 23 if therefore the whole church come together into one place and all speak with tongues

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Languages just mark just mark it out and put languages I don't even want your brain thinking that it means unknown tongues because it doesn't it does not mean gibberish

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It does not mean ecstatic utterances. It means known Languages in the world that can be proven from this passage as well as the passages in Acts dealing with languages

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It never meant gibberish There is no you'll have some people teach you there are two types of tongues taught in the

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Bible Languages and the ecstatic utterances and they'll tell you an axis languages in first Corinthians 14.

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It's ecstatic utterances They're lying or they're probably not lying. They're just they're just deceived.

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It's well, then that turns into a lie, though, doesn't it? They're not telling you the truth There's only one kind of tongues in the

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Bible and it's languages known languages of the day now if the whole church comes together and All were to speak with languages

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Let's say every one of us in the room including the children popped up and God turned the herbs on and we all had the gift

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Languages and we could speak languages. We hadn't studied in school yet and All of a sudden there comes one in who is unlearned

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That means he never been to school Never studied languages or he's an unbeliever.

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That means he doesn't have the capacity to have the gifts of the Holy Spirit So he's just totally unable to to have any chance of understanding an unknown

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Foreign language once when the Bible says unknown, by the way, that's an italics It's not even in there.

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But if it meant unknown, it meant like one you hadn't learned yet Doesn't mean it's one. Nobody knows.

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It's unknown to you and If you had someone come in and he's unlearned or he's an unbeliever.

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Will they not say you were mad now picture this and now Let's put it in a framework. We can't understand.

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Let's let's say for just argument purposes that it was the gibberish The modern stuff you might see in the

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Pentecostal or charismatic churches and let's say we were such a church and boy we got in the middle of our afternoon service and and we're not even thinking about that old chicken making that pew seem awful comfortable and All we get excited.

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We all pop up We start speaking in gibberish and all of a sudden that back door opens and you know

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How we start a little early we didn't today But sometimes we start early Visitors walk in and sit on that back pew right when we're in the middle of all that.

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What are they gonna think? Well, we look just like lunatics Now if you actually put it in it was the true gift of the

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Holy Spirit and you were speaking French You were speaking German. You were speaking Russian Spanish world

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No one some maybe some of the African dialects that that are out there They're real and all of a sudden you're all speaking that all at once in this room and someone walks in the same effect would happen they think these people are straight from the nuthouse and And so the first thing that the

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Holy Spirit teaches us that should not be done when we all come together It's not talking about in your closet your prayer closet or at home or home

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Bible studies or whatever It's talking about in the assembly when we all come together The first thing you should not do is you should not all speak with languages at the same time.

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Are we okay on that? Please don't do that Why because if the unlearned or unbelieving comes in they'll think you're mad

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It's very simple So we're not allowed to do that Even if in the last days

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God gave that gift and it was real we still would not be allowed to all Exhibit that gift at one time in the assembly only one or two

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Could do it Now I'm going to say this if one or two of you try that I'm Going to ask those of us in the auditorium that have the discernment to really be awake

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Because it has not happened in in our lifetime I'm not saying it couldn't but if it's going to happen

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It better be from God and it better be a foreign language that can be learned in school

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It better not be some kind of gibberish Now the but the teaching here is you shouldn't all do it at once because it's confusing now the second teaching

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Let's uh If you look at verses 26 through about verse 33

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And I won't read them but what it gets at is this You should not have

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Everyone having the floor at the same time You can read the little passage. You'll see what

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I mean In the church when we all come together, you cannot let everyone have the floor at the same time

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Three reasons first of all, sometimes some of the people have the wrong motive for speaking out

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They may be doing it to win an argument or they may be doing it for selfish reasons Who knows or they may be doing it just for truth's sake which is a good motive

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We don't know but we know not everybody would have the right motive so not everybody should speak out and have the floor at once secondly,

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God is not the author of confusion and Thirdly peace not conflict is the goal when we come together to have church

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And what happens if you have several people having the floor all at once their ideas might be even them in minor detail slightly different But it gives the appearance that there's not unity and if you had a visitor or a baby

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Christian or some brand -new Christians It is not good for them. They need to think we're in total agreement now

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They'll grow and learn later that we're not But when they first come and they're first saved they don't need to think hey these people don't even know what truth is now they'll grow into that later when they'll learn they don't know near as much as they thought and neither do we and That we can have some disagreements on the minor issues in the

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Bible not on the biggies like what we talked about this morning Justice of God the holiness of God the cross and those things but on some more things

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We but we don't need the babes to think we disagree on anything We don't need the children to think that so we have to be very careful

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You see the importance of why it says when we all come together in the assembly. You don't do these things

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So those are three things that are listed there. Now, let's go on the first Corinthians 14 34

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Here's another one First one is don't all speak with languages at the same time

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Secondly, you cannot all have the floor at the same time Don't have people singing the song one guy speaking in language one guy over here prophesying one preach

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You know, it's confusion You have to have order in the service and the third thing we see starting with about verse 34

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We should not allow women to speak out in the churches In other words in the local churches if the whole church be come together into one place.

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Let's look at it verse 14 I'm sorry chapter 14 verse 34. Let your women keep silence in the churches

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For it is not permitted unto them to speak notice the phrase in the churches

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Same little phrase that ties in with the four or five other phrases We've seen where it talks about the whole church coming together in one place

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Let your women keep silence in the churches for it is not permitted unto them to speak

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But they are commanded to be under obedience. This has to do with the authority

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That God set up from the Garden of Eden you go back to Genesis after they went through the sin and you had the curse part of what

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God said was the woman shall be under the man in obedience to his authority and This takes it back to that under obedience.

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That's what the phrase means as Also sayeth the law so the Old Testament had the same ruling on this as The New Testament Church came out of the worship in the in the synagogues and in the temple

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They had laws and rules about the women remaining silence and the early church had the same rule.

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That's why it says as Also the word as is a comparative word just like it was

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Some of these people actually grew up in the Old Testament economy and it changed during their lifetime

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And now they're in the New Testament Dispensation Paul is saying it's the same on this issue

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Just like you remember that the women were not allowed to speak out in the congregation It's the same in the in the church as it was also under the law and if they will learn anything

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Let them ask their husbands at home Now ladies and gentlemen

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That is very very clear Very very clear and yet you wouldn't believe the different opinions on this the different ideas on it even in churches all around us

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I sat and talked with a Young lady that was a friend of Pat Freeman's probably for 30 minutes one day at lunch and she was debating me on this issue

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And boy, she got really hot under the collar. I just quoted a couple of these verses and asked her what she thought they meant

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That they don't mean what I think they mean you tell me what they mean Now let's change the subject well,

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I'd be happy to change the subject, but you didn't answer my question and She could not answer the question the best she could come up with was what

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I had to do with the Society of the day We're gonna deal with that one before we finish when we get back into the

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Timothy passage. It deals with that But that's not the truth either. It had nothing to do with the

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Society of Paul's day Whatsoever. It was taken all the way back to the Garden of Eden And that's where the teaching came from as we'll see but let's look at this it says she is not permitted to speak

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But they are commanded to be in utter obedience as also in the law and if they want to learn if they have a question

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About a doctrinal issue that comes up They may ask their husbands at home now husbands.

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Let me ask you a question. What does that do for you? Can you be the guy that likes to Sit out and lounge around and be lazy and the wife sits there and studies the

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Bible all the time With her spare time if she has any

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Can you be that way gentlemen if you're the one that has to have the answers now look She's not permitted to ask the pastor in the congregational meeting.

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He says something in his sermon She has a question pop in her mind. She's not allowed to stand up. So let me ask you a question about that She has to wait till you get home and then ask you gentlemen, can you answer the question?

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if you can't Then if she gets in trouble speaking out Part of the fault goes with the men because they're not able to answer the questions

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So the men have to be able to answer the questions. So you have to spend time studying

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It's kind of interesting Archie was talking about Playing the guitar and he's he's really very good at the guitar

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And he said sometimes he's had people come up to him say well you have a marvelous gift and he thinks in his mind

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He says well, you know if they knew how many literally hours it took to practice to get where you can do this

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Yes, I have a gift from God I give him the credit but I had to practice my rear end off to get where I can do this and Gentlemen, let me say this if you're going to be the leader in the home and be able to answer

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Now I haven't even gotten to your children's questions yet, and especially when they become teenagers But I have to say even the little ones like round anywhere between three and seven can ask the hardest questions

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And I ask interesting questions. Where'd God come from? I just get put one in their mind. They'll ask you that when they get home

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But you've got to answer your wife's questions Do you know that that's going to take hours and hours of practice and what

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I mean by that is study on your own at home? Otherwise she won't get her questions answered

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Because it says very clearly to ask your husband at home For it is a shame for a woman to speak in the church

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Now this phrase in the church happens again and again throughout these passages is very clear

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What it means means when the whole church comes together for assembly That's what this ruling applies to and I can't say that it applies to anything other than that because the

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Bible doesn't speak to that Issue so I don't Enforce such a rule in other scenarios in your home in your car

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You know, that's not what this is talking about when you're witnessing. It's not talking about that if you have a song to sing before the church if it if God did turn on the energy and you had a prophetic word in The church this would not cover that you would be allowed to do that If you have a testimony under the authority of the husband and and the church you may do that.

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So this speaks of being under obedience in chapter 34 the Verse 34.

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I mean the obedience of the husband and also as well the obedience of the local church

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All right, so we see this injunction Let the women keep silence now.

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What is the phrase? Well, let me give you this though, this is interesting the word silence itself in the

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Greek see ga. Oh It can be translated to keep silent the literal rendering of it is to keep close or secret

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Now think about that in the context of this passage, let's bring in another Bible interpretation rule

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We've used the Bible to interpret the Bible issues the rule about the immediate context in the immediate context it's showing very clearly that what the women should do is go home and ask their husbands the questions and So when you see this word for her to keep silence

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More than literally saying that she just sits here like this That's not what it means

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What it means is let her keep it close to her husband Let her keep it secret with him

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She may lean over and whisper. What do you think that just mean? Is that right? You know, is he in the scriptures here?

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Is this right? Nothing wrong with that But you don't you don't say that loud enough where the whole congregation in here that you're questioning what's being taught

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You may ask the husband But you keep it close and you keep it secret and if there's not time or the situation is not such that it can happen

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You wait till you get home and you say show me this What do you think and talk about it together and get your scriptures out and study together as man and wife

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So that's really what the literal rendering of the word keeps silent is now. What about this phrase not permitted?

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She is not permitted to speak The Greek word literally means she is not given the liberty or the license

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To speak in this situation Now it is God who is sovereign and who can give the liberty and the license

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No man can do that when you realize that God himself is the one who wrote these rules

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Did you know ladies and gentlemen as long as the rule comes from God and it's in the Bible, that's not legalism

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It's actually the way it is When you start trying to add man's rules to it, it becomes legalism and it won't work

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Many men have tried to take this passage and apply it to all situations where the woman is just supposed to never speak

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And if you get it outside of what God says then you're legalistic but I'll say this on the other hand if God has said it

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No man from the pastor to anyone in the church has the right to give liberty to do it

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Does that make sense? It is not permitted. In other words,

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God does not leave liberty or license For this to take place.

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Now the next phrase we see is the word not permitted to speak. The word speak is interesting

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Because there are several words in the Greek that can be translated speak This word is laeo which means to talk or to utter words

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It has been translated in other places in the New Testament into the word speak or the word preach.

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Isn't that interesting? It is not the word lego which means to lay forth or to relate words that are usually

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Systematic and have been predetermined in a discourse So it carries the connotation if she is not allowed to speak out casually

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Does not carry the connotation of a Discourse that has been prepared ahead of time and it's given in systematic fashion

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Now you can see where that gives some leeway that some people might not think of in a local church if One of the ladies were asked to Have a little to let's say to quote a

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Speech or a poem or something that has part while someone's playing the music I've heard people say well if they're gonna have the idea that you can't speak in church

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And why are they getting to do that? Well, because it doesn't say you can't do that If you understand the

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Greek words what the Greek word is laeo. It is not the word lego Laeo means to just speak out

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To speak out In the congregation, that's not allowed Okay, that's gone.

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It says but they are commanded to be under obedience Hoopa Tosso It means to be subordinate to To obey to be subject to to be in subjection to submit the self unto three ie the husband and The church as a whole

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Of Hoopoe means to be under Tosso means to be in an orderly manner

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It all comes back to God is not the author of confusion. He's a God of author He is a God who has set up proper authority structures

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In life in the family in the home in the church and in society and so forth

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So we see it carries the meaning ask the husband's at home or it's a shame for the women to speak out in church

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It is supposed to be in an orderly manner according as God has laid it out He reminds the church of God's authority and Paul reminds the church of his authority as apostle

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If you look at verses 36 and 37 He reminds the church.

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I am speaking to you as an apostle. This is apostolic Authority that I'm saying these things with carries a lot of weight in the church carries the utmost weight

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In other words, he's it's as if he's saying I'm not talking to you here about social moors of the day

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I'm speaking with apostolic authority about how a church ought to be when you come together and the conclusion is given in verse 38 where it says it implies that proper methodology in the church includes decency and Being an order and that sort of sums the whole thing up now

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Let's let that take us back then to first Timothy chapter 2 just for a moment And I want you to see the specific

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Teaching in this passage the parallel passage that we just studied gives much more detail

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It gives it gives the very details of the rule itself where it applies where it doesn't apply

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And all of that this passage Takes this all the way back to the source of The ruling and the reason for it now,

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I'll say this there are sometimes as a parent when you tell your child don't do this And you've had it happen and child says why how do you usually respond when your child does that?

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You say just because I said so is that what you said? Because I said so how many times did I hear my dad say because I said so that was a good phrase

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I heard it many times, but you know what there were some times when my mom or dad said well Let me tell you why

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I? Remember my dad teach me about not taking drugs That's I don't think

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I said well Why not you know I didn't say that but he may have thought I'm wondering why so he said because it'll kill you

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That was all he had to tell me It'll kill you if you take drugs, so I stayed away from So there are times when a parent will give a reason

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But there are times when the parent just gives a rule doesn't give a reason and you still have to keep it both times Don't you do you know what's interesting about this particular rule about with regard to women?

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Remaining silent in the congregational assembly is that God was gracious enough to give us a reason for it

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Why do you think he did that in his? omniscience Because he knew that the preacher would need the help

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Because it's not a popular teaching he knew the preacher and the husbands and the teachers would need the help

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He knew that there would be women who would the end of the chapter is

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Let the women look at verse 11 first Timothy chapter 2 verse 11 But let the women learn in silence with all subjection you see how that ties in with the passage in Corinthians All of that's already been discussed, so we don't need to go over that again.

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We we got a detailed description of that Exhortation, but look at this one

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There are two things in verse 12 that women are not allowed to do when the church comes together

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I Allow not a woman number one to teach now you have to get this in the phraseology here because Well, let's go on and read it.

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We'll see it. That's number one though. The second thing is nor to usurp authority over the man

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But to remain in silence now the last phrase about remaining in silence ties in with what we've already studied

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But these two phrases at the first where it says I don't allow the woman to teach

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Nor usurp authority over the man tell you there are two things. She's not allowed to do one is to teach a man

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And the other is to have authority or usurp authority now notice It says there's no way she can have authority the only way she could have it is to usurp it which means to have it

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Unrightly the word usurp means to have something that doesn't belong to you and you just take it

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So the woman is not allowed to teach a man or the men are to usurp any authority over any man

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When we come together in the assembly as a church Now that would be enough and it says but to remain in silence in that case

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That would be enough if that's all we had we would have to obey it But God goes on and gives the reason Now in verses 13 and 14.

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He gives the reason for those two things in verse 13 He gives the reason for the second one

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Why is a woman not allowed to usurp authority over the man? Because Adam was first formed and then

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Eve and you can go into other passages in the scripture where where you can study that concept of The authority that man has simply because when

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God created man he created him man Adam was a man and Adam did not come from Eve Eve came from Adam in first Corinthians 11 verse 8

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It says for the man is not of the woman But the woman is of the man and listen to verse 9 neither was the man created for the woman

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But the woman for the man That's totally unknown in America today Totally absolutely totally unknown

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The women today say well, it's 50 -50. It's all equal. We're all the same Well, there's a sense in which that true spiritually.

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It's true. There's neither male nor female. There's neither Jew nor Gentile right But in this world as a matter of order and authority

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We're not equal Since the curse since medicine's woman ate the fruit and Then man ate the fruit

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From that moment. It has not been so the fact is God in you this actually even takes it back before the sin

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If you want to go back even beyond that, of course God's omniscient and he knew it would follow He knew the sin would take place in the fall would take place

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But he said that I didn't make man for the woman I made the woman for the man

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She is a help me She is for him. That is authority. Ladies and gentlemen, and so because of the authority of the fact in verse 13 that Adam was created first and Then the woman the woman could only usurp authority over the man if she tried it

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It wouldn't be rightfully hers because God didn't give it to her. Does that make sense? Does it ladies

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I need to know shake your head or something Shake your head then

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Okay, you just spoke You'll get her when you get home, okay Now look at verse 14

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Verse 14 gives the reason for the first part of verse 12. Why is it that a woman is not allowed to teach the man?

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Because Adam was not deceived But the woman beings the seed was in the transgression

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The very nature of the woman makes her more susceptible to false doctrine She is not allowed to set the standard for teaching doctrine in the church the cause of that reason now

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Ladies and gentlemen, you can you can say okay This is just the society Paul lived in the problem with that is all would have had to live in the

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Garden of Eden for that to be true Because God takes it all the way back to the beginning when there was only

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Adam and says this is the reason that the woman cannot usurp authority over a man or the men and Then he takes it all the way back to the fall, which is just we don't know how long but very shortly after this in The Garden of Eden in the fall and he says now who was it that ate the who was it

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Satan came to? Did he come to the man or the woman and why? Why did he come to the woman instead of coming to Adam and say well

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Adam Let me tell you you really need this fruit because it looks so pretty and it's so good And if you eat it, you'll be wise like God Do you think the man do you think

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Adam would have would have received that when God had just told him the day you eat it You'll die Apparently Satan didn't think he would

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But why did he think the woman would? Because of her nature the way God has made her.

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She's a responder by nature She responds to things. She sees the things she hears to touch

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Satan could come and Take advantage of all those things and cause her to believe something that is false.

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That's still true today And that's why many if not most of the false

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Doctrines and religions and things that you see in the world were started by women many of them The tongue the whole modern tongues movement was started by Amy Semple Macpherson my dad remembers her and remembers reading the newspaper articles about how she

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Feigned that she went out in the ocean and was drowned and then she was really out in the desert living in sin with a man

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That wasn't her husband And then when that was over she finally went back out in the ocean and drug herself back on on the land and act like it

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Was a miracle that God had saved her and then she gets up with a microphone and preaches this tongues and all this faith healing stuff

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And that's where it became popular Why she was deceived by the devil So why is it not allowed in the church for the woman to teach the men?

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Because she's more easily to see now. It doesn't say that men can't be deceived just says she's more easily deceived

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So God himself says therefore I don't allow it. It's not like you don't have license to do it now

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It goes on then Let's just read 11 through 15 and get the sense of it all together

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Let not the woman let the woman learn in silence with all subjection, which was covered over in the

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Corinthian passage But I suffer not a woman to teach nor usurp authority over the man

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But to be in silence for Adam was first formed then Eve and Adam was not deceived

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But the woman being deceived was in the transgression Notwithstanding she shall be saved and childbearing if they continue in faith and charity and holiness and surprise

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Sobriety, I'm saving verse 15 for brother Otis next week So I'm stopping with verse 14 today

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But I hope that the Lord has made these things clear. They are not clear in America today

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They're not clear out there in the media. They're not clear and I'm talking about the religious media. They're not clear on the radio stations

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They're not clear at the bookstore But for me I think if we let the Bible interpret the

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Bible and we use the clear Context in the passage and we use proper definitions and grammar.

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It becomes very very plain Any of you have any questions about it? I think it'd be wise for you to get together with me in private

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We can sit here Discuss we can read every verse in the Bible that we if you want to that has to do with this if you have problem

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With or whatever. Otherwise go home study it again Get a piece with it because it is the

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Word of God. Let's stand and have a prayer together Father we thank you for your word for it is a light to our feet

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Lord it is that which shows us how even as an organized church that we ought to behave

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You give us the rules for the church in the scriptures. We thank you for that Lord help us to stay true to them as We see them as you teach them to us as you reveal these things to us that we might stay true to them because we know

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Father that if you teach us proper methods and we follow them that we have your blessings if we don't follow them

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We don't know what we get. So Lord, we Just pray that you would keep us in the word keep us following the word

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There are many many voices that we can hear many books. We can read many radio stations

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We can listen to all have their opinions Help us to stay in the word. May your

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Holy Spirit teach us the truth that we might have peace in our hearts about it Lord, we pray that on this particular issue

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That can create problems in homes and in churches that you would give us peace about it and an understanding of what?

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Your word clearly teaches Go with us now as we go into this week help us to be the light and salt