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Well greetings welcome to the dividing line I am noticing looking at social media that when

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Shepard's conference is on my My feet is just filled with all sorts of pictures

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Evidence evidently the Ligonier conference is going on and I have no pictures at all. It's just Very very different.

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It's very interesting. I got a couple things around me. I need to Take care of there was something waiting for me when

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I came in this lovely silver necklace from Lisa's lovelies jewelry said that It could be for the mobile studio or whatever needs your ministry may have well, it's around my neck now

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So I guess that's the need of the ministry But very much appreciative of that that is a good reminder that the fundraising program continues

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To pay for the RV that next week Yes next week the programs will be coming to you from From there not from they'll be coming from the kitchen table

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Rich and I were just discussing How we're gonna start tackling

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Getting that studio put in there. I don't know if we're gonna get it done before the May trip or not

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I would assume we would at least get the bed out of there by then But we will see but next week heading up to Salt Lake City for the debate on Saturday on the subject is

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Its ethics possible without God or is God necessary for morality? I forget what exact title is but At the

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University of Utah, hopefully you'll be able to hear in the area to make that Particular a two -on -two debate.

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Once again, we will have people at all the doors screening for any Fluids related to automobiles trucks or anything like that at all.

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We'll try to avoid Any of that this time this time around? Um, I forgot this last time my apologies

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This is a very nice wood working you've got an alphanumeric on deck look at that That's that's the logo right there

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Similar, you know, I have I have the empty tomb up there. I had this in the background and forgot to tell you all about it

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So Collins company woodworking Is making a is is hoping to make a woodworking fundraiser

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By and I'll put this on the when I do the write -up. Well, I'll try to remember to do the right It's an hour from now who can remember anything for an hour

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When you mention I'll give you the the ability to Contact them and when you mention alpha

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Omega Ministries and buy one of these of a certain portion of that $20 that actually will be sent toward the

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RV Fundraiser, so it's very nicely done and it says he is not here for he has written risen just as he said for Matthew 28 6 and So I will put that back where well,

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I've added out here. So I would remember because if it's behind you I Don't generally look behind me.

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I mean I can see stuff back there, but I'm generally not looking at that either So thank you very much for that.

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And I'll put like I said, I'll put the information on the the write -up Um next thing if you got the fractals book from Jason Lyle last year remember it was a paperback and I at the time the thoughts are across my mind, you know with all the really fancy Photography and stuff like that in there

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Maybe better as a you know, if you're gonna have it as a tabletop type book Maybe better as a hardback and they thought the same thing so just let you know that it is now out in in a hardback and really bright

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Beautiful fractal stuff that I'm not gonna go off. Don't worry. I'm not going off that direction today but I just remember talking with Jason about fractals years and years ago because I'd been doing fractal art forever and once in a while I still still fire up a program and rip one out and people think

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I'm weird, but Jason Lyle fractals the secret code of creation

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Available in hardback now if you wanted to get it in that form. Yes, they actually put it out there.

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They're saying the They're saying the secret part openly. Here is the obscurity of scripture by Casey J.

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Chalk, you know when people abandon the faith they abandon soul scriptura and Justification by faith and all the rest of that stuff

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Sometimes I just become real zealots of for whatever for whatever they end up Grabbing hold of it's not just Roman Catholicism But there are certain

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Eastern Orthodox people that are the same and and people go various directions But it just it still stuns me that someone didn't say, you know

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I'm not sure. That's the best title that we should go for. I mean, that's really putting it straight out there and saying

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Yep, here's where we're coming from the obscurity of scripture Yeah, we'll be saying some more about that because I am mentioned in the book but interestingly enough rather errantly

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Let's just say that The authors

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The authors credibility as a researcher or writer is not overly assisted by the couple of comments

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He makes my direction. We will we will take a look at that as time as time allows

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Had to had to show it here is Here is the 2023 reform podcast championship

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Trophy That has been delivered to us. It's got a little heft to it it

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It it's it's not really a microphone, but I've felt microphones that were lighter and I'm afraid to try to twist it at all or like that for what might happen, but There is that this is not the golden EIB microphone.

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This is more of the Silver Painted Yeah, the switch the on off switch doesn't work

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Silver painted reform podcast microphone or something like that. And so I've already sent a picture

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To to Jeff Durbin haven't heard back from him yet There may be there may be a reason for that why

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I'm not heard back from him I'll just for now, you know, just just for now.

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We'll put it That's sort of hidden a little bit, but I'll I'll put it back there for now Just yeah.

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Yeah, don't Careful. He can still he can still kick your teeth out while he's standing right in front of you

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So just be very very very careful about anything you say about about brother Jeff so Is that everything

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I had here? I did I get I get through all those little things there was there was some stuff that I needed to need to do deal with there and And and there we go.

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So I want to make sure those things were We're out there. I had I'm not gonna

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Revisit anything from the last program all I can tell you is that the individual that We responded to on last program

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Just doesn't seem to want to get it Just and everybody told me I guess

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I had not had any interactions in the past but everybody told me that that's what was gonna happen that it was it was just gonna keep on going and keep on going and Keep on going and and I'm like, ah, no,

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I think I think we can be pretty clear about this and sort of no It didn't work that way That's sort of how things are in social media

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But hey As long as somebody as long as other people were blessed and other people were helped to understand what the issues are

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That's all that that's all it really matters and that's that's good. Oh the other thing I was gonna mention a

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Little bit tired today. I'm gonna move a little bit slow and The reason for that is

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I was out last time. This is pretty stunning for me Not only was

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I not in bed by 930 last night I Didn't get home till just before midnight last night and for me that is really really really unusual but last evening had we've been looking forward to this for three four months ever since the schedule was announced, but yesterday skillet was in town and so my son and I went over about 130 in the afternoon and Hung out with John and Seth and then

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Cory and Jen came over and then my wife showed up and she had gotten some little things for the girls and it was funny because We're sitting there talking about a lot of stuff

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I mean when we all get together and start having these confabs we we we cover we cover the waterfront as far as topics are concerned and Once summer and the grand grandkids arrived

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All of a sudden I I sort of looked around I noticed It was a fairly large

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I guess you could call it a dressing room because it had all sorts of lights and mirrors and stuff So it was a dressing room, but it you know had

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Couches and stuff and it was it was really rather large. This is downtown Phoenix. I don't like going to downtown

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Phoenix But that's where I had to go and All sudden

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I realized oh In fact here, this is funny Right as I said that My son just posted a video on on Twitter.

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I mean right now two minutes ago. This just popped up and It's of the room and You can see exactly what

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I was about to start talking about and that is you've got the guys so you've got

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John and His son and Seth and Luke Pearson from apologia

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We're over on one side talking theology and stuff like that. And then all the girls ended up on the other side.

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It's not like Anybody was forced anything it just We've all seen that happen.

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You've gone to all sorts of church functions and it they're just a natural conversational segregation takes place and the ladies are over talking about ladies stuff and the guys are talking about guys stuff and and that's it just happens naturally, so I'm just I'm watching the the video right now and so you can see

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Jen and Corey and summer and and Luke's wife and my wife and there's

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Clem and we're all they're all over there doing the girl thing and we're over here doing the guy thing and that's how it worked, so you know eventually we had to go out and Join all the hoi polloi in the in the in the

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Auditorium is a nice big auditorium big big big crowd that was there But we had to endure the the band before them and Everybody they're not the band before them was not

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Christians and I put these earphone things in you know

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The not earphone but earplug things for going to concerts because I'm not I can't hear anything anymore anyways,

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I can't lose what little I've got and So this other band is playing and I'm answering emails

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And I thought I I heard some stuff and I But I'm not really listening to the words right hands.

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It's like no just waiting for Skillet because they were the they're the final act And I don't know when it was but at some point after one of the songs

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I was informed that my granddaughter my oldest granddaughter cadence After the song was over and it was really it got really quiet.

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She yelled out repent Yes, I guess I guess there was some language and well the songs that was that was inappropriate and So one of my granddaughters

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Informed them of what they needed to do in light of that. So so yeah, we didn't get out of there till 1045 1050 and Then this stinking earplug on the left side

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Broke and wouldn't come out. That was the worst thing

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I've ever heard That was not fun. That was not fun to get a sharp thin pair of tweezers

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Your wife with a with a flashlight and tweezers going after that Yeah, that was that was not enjoyable at all

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I I'm thinking I should go on to Amazon and leave review for those particular

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Things but we did get it out thankfully and that was a very very frustrating experience but it was great to hang with John and Cory and Jen and Seth and We're treated really wonderfully and and as we always are whenever we get together when skillets in town, so They're just about done with this this tour and then they'll be heading home and John's got a book coming out in May and Hopefully around that time we'll be able to have him on and Who knows maybe from the new the new studio and then in in the new

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RV? That would be that would be great to have that that work out. So All right.

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So with with all of that said Last time that we were well the time before last time

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When we were together Now you're not supposed to have started stuff that I don't know

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I Had this queued up, but I didn't get to it and I said we'll get to it in the future it's a video

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Posted I don't know where it was posted from. I don't know who the guy with a

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Derek Webb is But and I don't know why they're in a church that doesn't make much sense either

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But so teary ology 101 posted a video of Derek Webb Some other guy, like I said,

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I don't know who it is having a conversation short and It's very sad we've we've talked on the program before about Derek's apostasy and I've listened to a number of his podcasts that were

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Again very very sad to listen to because you have someone with a with a fair amount of head knowledge

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But and and still possesses all of it and still can enunciate it as he will in this in this video

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But as everybody knows There was infidelity in his marriage resulted in a divorce and that Resulted in Crash and burn as far as Derek's faith was concerned and I remember

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I Was in San Francisco Well Mill Valley these days by best to differentiate other side of the bridge

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Teaching at Golden Gate Baptist Theological Seminary when it was still in existence there in Mill Valley When and I don't remember how it worked out,

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I think someone I think someone pointed to a Maybe a liner note in one of the albums from caveman's call

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That might have been it. I Don't know somehow we got we got hooked up somehow someone contacted me and said hey caveman's calls talking about you and You know, you can contact him in this way or something.

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I don't remember exactly how it was But we got hooked up and Derek was a primary guy that in fact really the only guy from caveman's call that That I had any conversation with and I do remember very clearly

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He performed in Scottsdale at some point and I went out and we

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I got together with him beforehand before he went out and performed and stuff like that and we had conversation and No, he never contacted me with questions concerns, hey,

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I'm not sure about the faith anymore that doesn't that That's not how it generally takes place in in these situations

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And so it was it's it's been sad to see what has happened as a result in the years since then but since he

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New reformed theology Then he brings this up in this conversation and of course then it's used as an as an objection by soteriology 101

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But of course soteriology 101 would use any objection from anyone from any perspective

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Because its whole purpose is Imbalanced so Why not you use anything you can this is what soteriology 101

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Is soteriology 101 is not soteriology 101. That's the problem that the name is Nondescriptive it's anti -calvinism 101.

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It's not soteriology 101. There's no balanced attempt to discuss anything in Regards to the entire field of soteriology by any stretch of the imagination.

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It's just all Anti -calvinism anti -calvinism. So but I want to I want to Listen to this discussion and hopefully have some positive

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Comment on it from that point. So let's let's go ahead and and listen in And with my

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Christian friends who try to convince me this I say listen Like I don't know why you're trying to persuade me Because your own

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Bible says it's a gift that it's a gift. It's the work of the Spirit start to finish It's a it's a removing of a heart of stone or replacing with a heart of flesh

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That is not something you can do for me. Yeah, so if it's true, we're both depending on the Spirit to show up I'm literally in the grave next to Lazarus.

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Yeah waiting for the hearing waiting waiting to hear my name Yeah, and I'm gonna lay in there dead till he shows up. Yeah, somebody asked me near the beginning of this year living

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Christian Well, what would it take for you to believe? What would it take to believe in God? That's easy. God would have to give me faith.

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Yeah, because I can't reach out Yeah, what it would take is a miracle. It would take a miracle Like what what what does it take for a dead man?

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To come out of it to come six feet out of the ground It takes someone to dig him out to open the box and revive him breathe into his nostrils

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And the Bible makes it very clear that there is nothing less spiritually than that going on. Yeah in Salvation absolute new life new life from death to life.

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Yeah, and that's what would be required. Yeah, and and I I'm open to it. I mean, I'm literally

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I'm literally in the grave waiting to hear my name Anytime If that's the there is gonna be a work of the spirit going on I want in and I won't be able to resist it.

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Yeah, I can't call out for it. I cannot coax him over Yeah, either my name is written in the book of life or it's not Yeah, but there's a point where I said, you know, what maybe maybe

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God made me and fashioned me for destruction. Yeah And so there's nothing I'm gonna be able to change his mind about it. So maybe it's all real and I'm just not chosen and with my

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So that meant there is a lot of Really important stuff there and Unfortunately the vast majority of people today because of the the kinds of attitudes they have toward evangelism and what evangelism is and How they've seen it being done

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They they see something like this and they just don't even they don't know how to respond to it because Here's someone who

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Once professed the faith and Knows elements of biblical revelation

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And They're using that as an excuse for their rebellion

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There were there were a number of songs that caveman's call had that Derek was involved in writing that talked about a biblical anthropology a

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Biblical understanding of the deadness of man and sin and The the graciousness of grace and the power of God and raising dead sinners to the life but you hear what's being used here is

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Again I've listened to others of his webcasts and so he doesn't use any profanity and so like that He does on his regular webcast rather regularly but here you've got someone who's

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Living in rebellion against God's ways and knows it and has said in other contexts, you know

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Even even back then I I just wasn't really Really really convinced of what it was

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I was saying And so this deconstruction stuff and all the rest that stuff that type of language that utilizes very regularly

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He's actually had some some interaction if I recall correctly within the past Two years,

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I think with John Cooper who I was just talking about earlier Anyway, and he's using this as as the excuse.

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I'm I'm open to the work of the Spirit Really if you if you understand, well if you did understand

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Then you know that The Spirit takes out a heart of stone gives a heart of flesh

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I think even use that that language if you are in a situation where your heart of stone is very happy where it is and You are fulfilling your lusts fulfilling your self -centered desires

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You're not you're not willing to to turn From that lifestyle and you're just going well,

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I'm just gonna keep doing what I'm doing because I can't do anything else that's

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That's utilizing Grace as a shield From the very

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Conviction of the Holy Spirit of God because you're showing you're showing I'm sorry as someone who can just sit there sipping looks like Starbucks I'm sipping a

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Starbucks cup in some kind of a I don't know what kind of a church it was out again

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I don't know what the original context this was a Person sitting there sitting sipping a

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Starbucks does not seem to me to be a person who is serious About the state of their soul.

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Uh, not nothing to do about it. You know, it's just gonna it's just gonna take a miracle Well, it's true.

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It is gonna take a miracle But that miracle clearly isn't taking place in you right now because you're just Showing no concern about it at all

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When you see the Spirit of God moving in people in Scripture Men and brethren, what must we do to be saved?

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That's there is a there is a Change that takes place and he's saying well,

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I can't change my own heart. That's true You you cannot change your own heart and you're giving evidence in Having this knowledge that your heart has not been changed but then the scare the truly scary part is to then go and That's okay.

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And you know Maybe that's just just where I am. Maybe I'm just not chosen

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Yeah, maybe you're not Yeah, maybe you're maybe you're not it doesn't change the fact that you have been given light

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And you're gonna be judged based upon the amount of light that you've been given That that should be terrifying not

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Sippifying, you know if you're just sitting there Yeah, maybe I'm not elected You know what you're doing in your life

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You know your thoughts, you know your language You know the satisfaction you're getting.

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Oh, I realized believe me. I've it is not soul fulfilling

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Satisfaction there's no way But let me let me just ask what if what if God wants to make a

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What what I'm asking everybody this I'm not asking Derek this Well, I'll ask this

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I'm asking everybody I guess it doesn't include Derek doesn't does God have the right

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To make an example of someone just don't ask Pharaoh that question.

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Okay, leave him leave him Oh, actually, I'm thinking about a bunch of Kings in the

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Old Testament can't ask them. No the fact their entire nations That we can't ask that question.

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Yeah, God has made an example a lot of folks. Oh, yeah people

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Kings of Israel and kings of other nations and other nations as a whole and And that's what people don't like because Soteriology one -on -one and and all the rest of them from their perspective the

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The rights of the individual the need for Everyone gets the same chance.

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There's no Bible verse on that one, by the way That's the overarching thing the idea

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That God is working all things the praise of his glorious grace and that in the final analysis what's going to happen is

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We are going to in the future be able to look back upon What God has done and not only say he's done all things justly but we're going to be able to see how he

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Demonstrated his glory and the nature of his attributes in everything that's taken place in creation and that will include in the just condemnation of sinners who were given tremendous amount of light and What that demonstrates is

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That the sin and rebellion that Is illustrated in human existence

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Can only be overcome By an all -powerful grace.

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It's it's not a matter of intelligence because here's a very intelligent man It's not a matter of how much light you have because he has a lot of light intelligent man with a lot of light from The from the perspective and I'm not sure this did make me wonder why soteriology

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I know I know I soteriology 101 posted it But the reality is it doesn't prove their point.

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It proves the exact opposite Here's a guy who knows the Bible. He's clearly intelligent

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And he goes Yeah Don't want it it's

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I Professed it and I don't profess it anymore. What's he missing?

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Well Soteriology would have to put that all completely. Well, you know, it's

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He's just he just needs to humble himself Well, they're there. Yeah, I would say he definitely needs to humble himself.

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There's clearly pride involved No, no question about that but compare him to your average pagan in Culture in the

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United States or in the West today You know, I think of all sorts of people today they do not have

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One one hundredth of the light that Derek Webb has been given in his life.

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I Know there's a lot of people in our culture who are thoroughly secular Their their parents didn't their grandparents didn't

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They've never read the Bible the public education system to come up they've come up in giving them nothing and So there are all sorts of people in our society that have significantly less light and knowledge

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Than Derek Webb has what chance do they have if God can't get

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Derek Webb is Is God trying is that'd be a real question. Is God trying to get

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Derek Webb equally with? Everybody else. I mean

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You have to you have to answer those questions, and I'm not sure that that Layton really

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Does so consistently let's put it that way. It's always been the issue But when how do you handle encountering someone like this

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Who says I Know everything you're gonna tell me it might might know it better than you do.

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And the first the first thing to remember is It's not your job

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To pretend to be the Holy Spirit of God It is your job to speak the

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Spirit's truth and if he already knows that You know, maybe you can express it in some different words, but you you can't improve on what the

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Spirit's already Already written in Scripture and so there are situations where you you would look at someone and He himself said it right at the end is the same

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Maybe I'm not alike and he That To anyone with any spiritual life

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Should be absolutely terrifying and maybe at other moments for Derek. It is I don't know.

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I Don't know. I really don't like I said, I I learned about all this

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Long after it took place and so any relationship that we had had he didn't consider to be worthwhile

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You know inquiring of me or Anything along those lines, so I don't know

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He may be a completely tortured soul at night. I Have no idea

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But the fact is He knows what God's Word requires of him and he knows that he will be held accountable for repentance and And the fact that he can just sip his latte and go might indeed indicate having been given over and Are those be are there people who have been if your theology is no

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God God never gives anyone over Despite Romans 1 we don't we can't that's we're not gonna worry about God never gives anyone over You just you just keep trying and trying and trying and trying and trying and trying and You you look you look in Scripture you find that's not the case

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That there were think times when God did that not only in the Old Testament, but in the

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New Testament as well God brought punishment upon people and And and the fact the matter is

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People don't like a God People want a

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God who holds punishment off Until the end and then always leaves it open as to what the nature that Punishment is going to be and so we can sort of hope that nothing will ever really come of it the idea of a

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God who acts in justice in time very plainly today is

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Not very popular when I think of just how over the course of my own ministry a large number of What used to be conservative individuals how they have

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Become extremely Embarrassed I guess that's right.

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That's right term extremely embarrassed About God's judgment in the

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Old Testament The flood Israel's occupation of the

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Promised land and being used as instrument of judgment upon pagan nations that kind of stuff

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Just so much embarrassment and People have said and it's well said that there should not be any problem passages in the

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Bible Not that there are not difficult passages in the Bible to interpret or to understand and make application or to harmonize or whatever else

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But It just seems that for many people The reason there are problematic passages because I just don't want to believe that God would be like that And so I think that's where a lot of people are they listen to something like this and they go

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I I don't want to have to say to someone. Yeah Everything that you're doing have been doing for years.

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Everything you're saying is Indicative of a person who's been given over they don't want to have to say that but there are people that are indeed like that and It should be terrifying to all of us to see something like that.

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But but there it is You know,

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I was really really Hesitant to even mention this but I just don't I don't see any

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Way around it. I'm not gonna play it but a video popped up in my feed earlier actually,

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I I can find it since I'm not I Did I I think I put that as a reply or something along those lines?

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Yeah. Yeah, there it is fellow by the name of Kamau Kambon author and owner of Blacknificent books

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Blacknificent books a video appeared of him

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Talking about the the problems we face today and the biggest problem he's a black man and the biggest problem from his perspective is the existence of white people and he has this idea that white people

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Act as a group and all of us white people go we do

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I I Didn't know that I missed the meetings.

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Well, that's true and That's where you get. Well, it's not white people as a group.

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It's whiteness and then you Hey, and it just goes on from there.

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Anyway this video appeared and his conclusion was that the only way to solve all these problems is

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To wipe white people off the face of the earth kill them all just Take take them all up.

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Now. You see that kind of stuff on Twitter there are some accounts actually go searching for it and then repost it like Going on, you know everything the thing

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I always go back to somewhere in the 90s

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I I had just finished doing a ride down in South Mountain Park.

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I Did it a lot in the 90s evidently and I was listening to the

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Michael Medved show I don't even know if the Michael Medved show even exists any longer. It used to be

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One of the afternoon talk programs and then something happened and he ended up crossways with somebody.

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I don't know and He had this woman on And they were talking about Racism so this isn't this is about a quarter century ago and This person was arguing that they could not be a racist

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Because they don't have power and So it doesn't matter what so in other words the substance of racism

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Was redefined into the power dynamics that now is just it's a given Sadly on almost any college campus university campus in the

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West it is now an accepted fact That you cannot be a racist if you don't quote -unquote have power so you can your heart can be filled with hate and It can be irrationally filled with prejudice and hatred and bias against someone solely because of the color of their skin not

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It doesn't have to have anything to do with their character or their actions or anything

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It's it's like the other video that showed up about three days ago

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The guy on the train you see that one You got a white couple and a baby and they're sitting there and they're talking and this black fellow

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Now, I don't know if they were just ignoring him because in any major city in America today

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You're gonna see people with earphones in talking loudly to themselves or to somebody on a phone or something or singing along or Who knows

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I nobody knows You know that first started happening is sort of like what's wrong with that person and now, you know you've got earbuds and stuff like that, so maybe they were just ignoring him because There are people who go around doing that and there are lots and lots of people on trains and Stuff like that that are talking loudly to to whoever's out there, you know

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I I just went to a drive -thru on the way in and There was a guy near the beginning of the drive -thru and He was telling the world something.

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I I don't know what he was telling him. I ain't gonna stop to find out but That's how it happens.

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So maybe at first they were just ignoring him, but it became very clear

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He was talking directly to them. And in fact, he was insulting the child He started rapping and that was the thing that caught my attention

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To be able to rap the way A spoken word type thing that he did there for a second.

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He's got a vocabulary He's got a broad vocabulary

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He knows what rhymes with what and he he was using terms that most people do not utilize in their normal everyday conversation and then he just they get they start stand up to get off the train and he just gets in their face and I'm a black

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American. You're beneath me, you know, and Hey, you know when when the entire city of San Francisco is going we're gonna give five million dollars

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We're gonna we're gonna we're going to in debt everyone in the city of San Francisco With reparations even though California was never a slave state or anything like that and they didn't have slaves there anyways and But we're gonna do it anyways

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When you tell a particular group over and over again, here is something you cannot be you cannot be a racist

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That may be the single most effective way to create racism that has ever been imagined

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Well, you can't do that because you don't have power What that says to them is if you want to hate in your heart and you want to hate people are different than you

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Go for it. It's good. Yeah. All right, and it's happening all around us.

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It's happening all around us. So This Once again going this is good.

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I'm going back to 2018 here when the MLK 50 thing happened Saying the same thing now got in trouble for it then

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You know Kyle James Howard. I wouldn't be in the same room with James Wyatt. I'd be afraid

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Okay There is a biblical sin of racism it's hatred in your heart toward a brother

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Toward a fellow human being that has no ground in their character it's one thing to join with the psalmist and Saying my soul hates those who do evil.

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That's one thing but to say I Hate black people is to demonstrate a fundamentally unregenerate heart a heart that loves its sin and Loves its rebellion and it is identical to say that if you're a black person of white people or of it or of Asian people or if you're

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Hispanic of black people or whatever It doesn't matter

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Biblically racism is a matter of the heart. It's a matter of character. It's a matter of recognizing that there is one human race and many ethnicities and To hate on that basis is really fundamentally rebelling against God Because God could have made you any color.

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He wanted to he made you the color that you are and You are to honor and glorify him in light of where he's put you but to engage in the kind of vitriol and nastiness that these people engage in I Don't care if you're black white orange or yellow

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Anyone can engage the sin of racism and if you want to Damage your society and damage the people in it tell them they can't be racists unless they have power the poorest man

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The poorest most downtrodden man can have a heart filled with hatred and racism

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Does not matter how much power that person at all at all, that's just simply biblical truth, that's biblical reality and We need to recognize it and it's just amazing the things it's just so the examples that you can now

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Present from just almost every day. Just looking at your computer screen amazing thing amazing thing.

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Um so Let me just I'm just go ahead and look at this.

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I was pointed to an Issue this just further evidence that I was behind the eight ball on this stuff.

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This is from 2020 From credo magazine.

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So credo magazine was heading down the great tradition road long before I had sniffed any of this stinky stuff in the air and There's this description of the volume 10 issue for 2020 credo magazine on eternal generation and the description goes along these lines

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Well, I'm reading the description from the website the eternal generation the Sun has fallen on hard times in the last century

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Evangelicals have dispensed with the doctrine in the spirit of a narrow biblicism than in italics.

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We just believe the Bible So we stop again. I'm just point out we've actually looked at a number of Well, at least a couple credo magazine articles so far and we have found that Um Balance is not something that credo magazines is looking for credo magazine is looking to promote a particular perspective and Being accurate in the treatment of anybody who doesn't agree with their perspective.

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It's clearly not a high priority There are lots of evangelicals in the last century and this century

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That was speak of the eternal generation of the Sun And I'm not sure what a narrow biblicism is

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We just believe the Bible is being put forward as something to be mocked

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Others have thrown out the doctrine because they cannot master the mystery of such a belief. I noticed notice the terminology here

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Dispensed with the doctrine thrown out the doctrine This is what's really troubling in looking at Anything coming out of credo is that if you don't

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Dot the I's and cross the T's where we tell you to Where we interpret the great tradition to say to do it

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Now we're gonna sit here and tell you we're actually Sitting at the feet of the ancient interpreters but the fact the matter is those ancient writers are interpreted in a number of different ways and Always have been you know, it's it's like How many?

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Ask the Dominicans so you all you all interpret Thomas in the same way, right?

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No, if that's how to make them all crack up, you know, just just watch them all rolling on the ground laughing

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Because everybody knows that's not the case Everybody knows that the

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Even the people who would call themselves Thomists They're constantly writing books and articles against each other

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Because you're interpreting voluminous writings that were written a long long time ago And so you've got certain

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Thomas that have this understanding of what his basic Perspectives are and then well, no, I think you're wrong about that It's over here and that creates a whole nother group over here.

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And so they write books against each other It's no end to it But these folks

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Want to project this idea that well, there's this one way of doing this and it's our way

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So so dispense with the doctrine and Throw out the doctrine

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Use use these buzz buzz words rather than understand it differently than we do

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Because that doesn't doesn't sell magazines Others have thrown out the doctrine because they cannot master the mystery of such a belief.

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It just doesn't make sense That's an italics. Like we just believe the Bible The consequences have been brutal brutal listen this generation after generation

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Has been cut off from Christian Orthodoxy period not has a

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Degraded view Not has missed what we think would be

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Wonderful insights. Oh, no. Oh, no, we can't We can't allow that freedom

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They have literally been cut off from Christian Orthodoxy. They are not Orthodox we define

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Orthodoxy we Baptist Because that should immediately make you go.

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Oh, wait a minute Okay Generation of generation has been cut off from Christian Orthodoxy such just as egregious

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Evangelicals have not learned how the warp and woof one of my favorite phrases of Redemptive history reveals the son's origin from the father

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From all eternity in this issue of Credo magazine the contributors abandon the critical spirit of our contemporary era

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Yeah, just go ahead and just our contemporary. It's all one thing. Let's not let's not worry about the vast differences that exist

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Credo is just so Propagandist it's just if you if you recognize propaganda and the language of propagandists, it's like it's just it's pure propaganda

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In this issue of Credo magazine the contributors abandon the critical spirit of our contemporary era and clothe themselves

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In Dominican robes no enclose themselves in a spirit of hermeneutical humility

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Now what it was funny because It was only day yesterday day for yesterday

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That that wild progressive dude on Twitter Use the same terminology for a completely different perspective, but what they're both rejecting is narrow biblicism for this guy it's in favor of Deconstructed anti -christian woo -woo ism and for Credo it's for Great tradition

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They clothe themselves in a spirit of hermeneutical humility as they sit at the feet of ancient interpreters

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They labor to understand why eternal generation not only serves to distinguish the son from the father but safeguards the son's divine equality with the father now, you know what a discussion of monogamy and what it could mean and All of that is

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Important and worthwhile and you all know what I would say it needs to start with scripture

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Not with a great tradition. It needs to start with scripture. Oh, no, you can't do that No can't do that kid.

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You gotta you gotta air air man's got to start someplace And so you got to start you got to get your foundation in this metaphysics and that metaphysics scripture is not enough

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Is what we're being told? to even allow you to start addressing this topic can't go there can't do it and this really is this smug arrogance of scholasticism

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Well, you know You know This is really

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I think what is coming to the fore and I and I've said this this particular aspect of this

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Debate will not continue How do I know that because it hasn't in the past?

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It comes up It it draws away people.

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It causes people to go one direction or another It causes people to come become more radicalized one direction more radicalized the other direction

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It creates delineation It changes schools and their perspectives and directions and then something else comes up In another area and These these things they cycle and This one will cycle faster than many others and I'll tell you why

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You can't preach Thomas Aquinas in an evangelical church very long without it ceasing to be evangelical a or B without you losing your job in that evangelical church and Being invited to move on to someplace that might want to hear

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You know a 12 -week series on Thomas's Doctrine of simplicity followed by a six -week series on how that demands us to do

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In several operations in the Thomistic fashion not in a biblical fashion, but a Thomistic you that's a good way to get yourself run out of town and run out of a pulpit and Probably correctly so I would say

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So it can't last forever, but it would it is making clear distinctions very clear distinctions and What what you'll discover is when the next big thing comes along that takes us right back to where do we start?

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How do we view you know, is this is this where we're going? That we're going is this gonna be on the reading list

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Because it can be all sorts of different topics. I mean, this is exactly the thesis of the

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LGBTQ I plus perspective Right, that's that's that's where they are.

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Those clobber passages. They're obscure. We don't know what they mean We don't know what marriage is. We don't know what man and woman is

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We know nothing Because of the obscurity of Scripture And Rome says we will rescue you from that with Pope Francis There's the problem there's the problem anyway, all righty

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Guy I'm really I'm thankful that brave Puts the the

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Various tabs back up or I would never have remembered to have gone back to that soteriology 101 thing

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But that's very very it's very helpful for those of us who are Getting older and forgetting things.

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So anyway, so next week, uh Wait a minute, when do

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I I Think I Yeah, I actually leave on Tuesday so I'll be leaving

01:00:07

Tuesday morning. So Right now my thinking would be we will be doing a mobile

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Edition of the dividing line Tuesday afternoon Tuesday evening from Las Vegas. Yeah, we just need to make sure that you know

01:00:21

It's ready to go. Nothing's gonna fall off of it along the way. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

01:00:27

Well eights it's uh, this'll you know, I took it up to Prescott Valley and You know, we found an issue there that we we hopefully will deal with tomorrow morning

01:00:38

Made you very nervous, didn't it? Oh Very nervous. Yeah, very Yeah, I don't have

01:00:44

I don't have any any hills as big as that to go to to Las Vegas But I do to get up to Cedar City Yeah, well, it is disturbing when you're going down the road and you look to your right and there's your your your trailer right next

01:00:56

To you. Yeah, that's that's a problem. Yeah for anybody who's wondering Our hitch is not supposed to move.

01:01:02

It's not supposed to swivel in In the head in the in the truck and the hitch in the truck

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Well, she was moving and that was first time that happened and we We we had theories and we thought we've got pretty good theories as to why that was

01:01:20

And the main element that theory is rich and I know more about that hitch than the people who sold us the unit

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We have we literally have more experience dealing with it than they do and they didn't do it, right?

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so literally tomorrow morning, we're doing it, right and I Guess I will have to give an honest

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Report once I get to Vegas. Yeah Once I get to Vegas and in it in the end and the truck and the unit arrive at the same time in Vegas Which is the ideal situation when pulling a fifth wheel?

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Yeah, you don't want it to get there before you do. No, no, no or after either one. It needs to be a simultaneous arrival

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Yeah, we will have to report on on how we're doing on that particular level so There you go.

01:02:14

You know, I bet you never thought back when you gave up your job and started working for Alpha Omega Ministries that The eventually part of your level of expertise would be all things

01:02:29

RV ish You know, I bet you that that was never When I was getting on those 747s and flying off to London that that wasn't really on the on the radar screen.

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But but here we are. There you go There you go Okay, so next week. We'll see a pray for traveling mercies and for the debate coming up and I will excuse me

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I will be speaking in Cedar City twice One of those is on Bart Ehrman, so if you're in the area

01:03:01

Come out and and listen in I'll be at the Southern Utah University I'm not sure exactly where but we'll put the stuff up on on the blog and we get it

01:03:09

You could probably go to Jason Wallace's page Church's page up there on Facebook and get all that information