Lots of Topics on the DL Today

Well, greetings and welcome to the Dividing Line. I am noticing, looking at social media, that when Shepherd's Conference is on, my feet is just filled with all sorts of pictures. Evidently, the Ligonier Conference is going on, and I have no pictures at all.

It's just very, very different. It's very interesting. I've got a couple things around me I need to take care of. There was something waiting for me when I came in, this lovely silver necklace from Lisa's Lovelies Jewelry said that it could be for the mobile studio or whatever needs your ministry may have.

Well, it's around my neck now, so I guess that's the need of the ministry, but very much appreciative of that. That is a good reminder that the fundraising program continues to pay for the RV that next week, yes, next week, the programs will be coming to you from there, not from, they'll be coming from the kitchen table.

Rich and I were just discussing how we're going to start tackling getting that studio put in there. I don't know if we're going to get it done before the May trip or not. I would assume we would at least get the bed out of there by then, but we will see.

Next week, heading up to Salt Lake City for the debate on Saturday on the subject, Is Ethics Possible Without God or Is God Necessary for Morality? I forget what the exact title is, but at the University of Utah, hopefully you'll be able to be here in the area to make that particular two-on-two debate.

Once again, we will have people at all the doors screening for any fluids related to automobiles, trucks, or anything like that at all. We'll try to avoid any of that this time around. I forgot this last time, my apologies, but this is a very nice woodworking, it's even got an Alfa and Omega on the back, look at that.

That's the logo right there. Similar, I have the empty tomb up there. I had this in the background and forgot to tell you all about it. Collins Company Woodworking is helping with the fundraiser by, and I'll put this on when I do the write-up, well, I'll try to remember to do this when I do the write-up, it's an hour from now, who can remember anything for an hour?

When you mention, I'll give you the ability to contact them, and when you mention Alfa Omega Ministries and buy one of these, a certain portion of that $20, that actually will be sent toward the RV fundraiser.

It's very nicely done, and it says, he is not here, for he has risen, just as he said, from Matthew 28 -6, and so I will put that back where, well, I had it down here, so I would remember, because if it's behind you, I don't generally look behind me.

I mean, I can see stuff back there, but I'm generally not looking at that either. So thank you very much for that, and like I said, I'll put the information on the write-up. Next thing, if you got the Fractals book from Jason Lyle last year, remember?

It was a paperback, and I, at the time, the thoughts sort of crossed my mind, you know, with all the really fancy photography and stuff like that in there, maybe better as a, you know, if you're gonna have it as a tabletop type book, maybe better as a hardback, and they thought the same thing.

So just let you know that it is now out in a hardback and really bright, beautiful Fractal stuff that, I'm not gonna go all, don't worry, I'm not going off that direction today, but I just remember talking with Jason about Fractals years and years ago, because I'd been doing Fractal art forever, and once in a while I'll still fire up a program and rip one out, and people think I'm weird, but Jason Lyle, Fractals, The Secret Code of Creation, available in hardback now if you wanted to get it in that form.

Yes, they actually put it out, they're saying the secret part openly. Here's the Obscurity of Scripture by K .C. J. Chalk. You know, when people abandon the faith, they abandon Sola Scriptura and justification by faith and all the rest of that stuff, sometimes they just become real zealots for whatever they end up grabbing hold of.

It's not just Roman Catholicism, but there are certain Eastern Orthodox people that are the same, and people go various directions, but it still stuns me that someone didn't say, you know, I'm not sure that's the best title that we should go for.

I mean, that's really putting it straight out there and saying, yep, here's where we're coming from, The Obscurity of Scripture. Yeah, we'll be saying some more about that, because I am mentioned in the book, but interestingly enough, rather errantly.

Let's just say that the author's credibility as a researcher or writer is not overly assisted by the couple of comments he makes in my direction. We will take a look at that as time allows. Had to show it, but here is the 2023 Reform Podcast Championship Trophy that has been delivered to us.

It's got a little heft to it. It's not really a microphone, but I've felt microphones that were lighter, and I'm afraid to try to twist it at all or anything like that for what might happen, but this is not the golden EIB microphone.

This is more of the silver-painted podcast microphone, or something like that. I've already sent a picture to Jeff Durbin, haven't heard back from him yet. There may be a reason for that, why I've not heard back from him.

Just for now, we'll put it... That's sort of hidden a little bit, but I'll put it back there for now. Careful, he can still kick your teeth out while he's standing right in front of you, so just be very, very careful about anything you say about Brother Jeff.

So, is that everything I had here? Did I get through all those little things? There was some stuff that I needed to deal with there, and there we go. So, I wanted to make sure those things were out there.

I'm not going to revisit anything from the last program. All I can tell you is that the individual that we responded to on the last program just doesn't seem to want to get it. And everybody told me...

I guess I had not had any interactions in the past, but everybody told me that that's what was going to happen, that it was just going to keep on going, and keep on going, and keep on going. And I'm like, oh, no, I think we can be pretty clear about this, and sort of...

No, it didn't work that way. That's sort of how things are in social media, but hey, as long as other people were blessed, and other people were helped to understand what the issues are, that's all that really matters, and that's good.

Oh, the other thing I was going to mention. A little bit tired today. I'm going to move a little bit slow. And the reason for that is, I was out last night. This is pretty stunning for me. Not only was I not in bed by 9 .30 last night, I didn't get home till just before midnight last night.

And for me, that is really, really, really unusual. But last evening, we've been looking forward to this for three, four months, since the schedule was announced. But yesterday, Skillet was in town. And so, my son and I went over about 1 .30 in the afternoon, and hung out with John and Seth.

And then Corey and Jen came over. And then my wife showed up, and she had gotten some little things for the girls. And it was funny, because we're sitting there talking about a lot of stuff. When we all get together and start having these confabs, we cover the waterfront as far as topics are concerned.

And once Summer and the grandkids arrived, all of a sudden, I looked around, and I noticed it was a fairly large... I guess you could call it a dressing room, because it had all sorts of lights and mirrors and stuff.

So it was a dressing room. But it had couches and stuff. And it was really rather large. This is downtown Phoenix. I don't like going to downtown Phoenix. But that's where I had to go. And all of a sudden, I realized...

Oh, in fact, here, this is funny. Right as I said that, my son just posted a video on Twitter. I mean, right now, two minutes ago, this just popped up. And it's of the room. And you can see exactly what I was about to start talking about.

And that is, you've got the guys. So you've got John and his son and Seth and Luke Pearson from Apologia. We're over on one side, talking theology and stuff like that. And then all the girls ended up on the other side.

It's not like anybody was forced anything. We've all seen that happen. You've gone to all sorts of church functions. And just a natural conversational segregation takes place. And the ladies are over talking about ladies stuff, and the guys are talking about guys stuff.

And it just happens naturally. So I'm watching the video right now. And so you can see Jen and Corey and Summer and Luke's wife and my wife. And there's Clem. And they're all over there doing the girl thing.

And we're over here doing the guy thing. And that's how it worked. So eventually, we had to go out and join all the hoi polloi in the auditorium. It was a nice big auditorium. Big, big, big crowd that was there.

But we had to endure the band before them. And evidently, the band before them was not Christians. And I put these earphone things in. Not earphone, but earplug things for going to concerts, because I can't hear anything anymore anyways.

I can't lose what little I've got. And so this other band is playing. And I'm answering emails. I don't care. And I thought I heard some stuff. But I'm not really listening to the words right now. I'm just waiting for Skillet, because they were the final act.

And I don't know when it was, but at some point after one of the songs, I was informed that my oldest granddaughter, Cadence, after the song was over and it got really quiet, she yelled out, repent! Because I guess there was some language in one of the songs that was inappropriate.

And so one of my granddaughters informed them of what they needed to do in light of that. So yeah, we didn't get out of there until 1045, 1050. And then this stinking earplug on the left side broke and wouldn't come out.

That was not fun. That was not fun, to get a sharp, thin pair of tweezers, your wife with a flashlight and tweezers going after that. Yeah, that was that was not enjoyable at all. I'm thinking I should go on to Amazon and leave review for those particular things.

But we did get it out, thankfully. And that was a very, very frustrating experience. But it was great to hang with John and Corey and Jen and Seth. And we're treated really wonderfully. And as we always are, whenever we get together when Skeleton Town.

So they're just about done with this tour, and then they'll be heading home. And John's got a book coming out in May. And hopefully around that time, we'll be able to have him on. And who knows, maybe from the new studio, in the new RV.

That would be great to have that that work out. So. All right. So with with all of that said, last time that we were well, the time before last time. When we were together. Now, you're not supposed to have started stuff that I don't know.

I had this queued up, but I didn't get to it. And I said, we'll get to it in the future. It's a video posted. I don't know where it was posted from. I don't know who the guy with Derek Webb is. But and I don't know why they're in a church.

That doesn't make much sense either. But Soteriology 101 posted a video of Derek Webb, some other guy, like I said, I don't know who it is, having a conversation. It's short. And it's very sad. We've we've talked on the program before about Derek's apostasy.

And I've listened to a number of his podcasts that were, again, very, very sad to listen to, because you have someone with a with a fair amount of head knowledge. But and still possesses all of it and still can enunciate it, as he will in this in this video.

But as everybody knows, there was infidelity in his marriage, resulted in a divorce, and that resulted in crash and burn, as far as Derek's faith was concerned. And I remember, I was in San Francisco, well, Mill Valley, these days, probably best to differentiate, other side of the bridge, teaching at Golden Gate Baptist Theological Seminary when it was still in existence there in Mill Valley.

And I don't remember how it worked out. I think someone pointed to maybe a liner note in one of the albums from Cateman's Call. That might have been it. I don't know. Somehow we got hooked up. Somehow someone contacted me and said, hey, Cateman's Call is talking about you, and you can contact him in this way or something.

I don't remember exactly how it was. But we got hooked up, and Derek was the primary guy that, in fact, really the only guy from Cateman's Call that I had any conversation with. And I do remember very clearly, he performed in Scottsdale at some point.

And I went out and we, I got together with him beforehand, before he went out and performed and stuff like that, and we had conversation. No, he never contacted me with questions, concerns, hey, I'm not sure about the faith anymore.

That's not how it generally takes place in these situations. And so it's been sad to see what has happened as a result in the years since then. But since he knew Reformed theology, then he brings this up in this conversation, and of course, then it's used as an objection by Soteriology 101.

But of course, Soteriology 101 would use any objection from anyone, from any perspective, because its whole purpose is imbalanced. So why not? Use anything you can. That's what Soteriology 101 is. Soteriology 101 is not Soteriology 101, that's the problem.

The name is nondescriptive. It's anti-Calvinism 101, it's not Soteriology 101. There's no balanced attempt to discuss anything in regards to the entire field of Soteriology, by any stretch of the imagination.

It's just all anti-Calvinism, anti-Calvinism. But I want to listen to this discussion and hopefully have some positive comment on it from that point. So let's go ahead and listen in.

And with my Christian friends who try to convince me this, I say, listen, like I don't know why you're trying to persuade me. Because your own Bible says that it's a gift, it's the work of the Spirit start to finish, it's the removing of a heart of stone and replacing with a heart of flesh.

That is not something you can do for me. So if it's true, we're both depending on the Spirit to show up. I'm literally in the grave next to Lazarus, waiting to hear my name. And I'm going to lay in there dead until he shows up.

Somebody asked me near the beginning of this year living Christianly, well, what would it take for you to believe? What would it take for you to believe in God? That's easy. God would have to give me faith because I can't reach out and grab it.

What it would take is a miracle. It would take a miracle. Yeah. What does it take for a dead man to come six feet out of the ground? It takes someone to dig him out, to open the box and revive him. Breathe into his nostrils.

And the Bible makes it very clear that there is nothing less spiritually than that going on in salvation. Absolute new life. New life from death to life. Yeah. And that's what would be required. Yeah.

And I'm open to it. I'm literally in the grave waiting to hear my name. Yeah. Anytime. Anytime. If that's the picture. Because if there is going to be a work of the Spirit going on, I want in. And I won't be able to resist it.

And I can't call out for it. I cannot coax him over. Either my name is written in the book of life or it's not. But there's a point where I said, you know what? Maybe God made me and fashioned me for destruction.

Yeah. So there's nothing I'm going to be able to do to change his mind about it. So maybe it's all real and I'm just not chosen.

So there is a lot of really important stuff there. And unfortunately, the vast majority of people today, because of the kinds of attitudes they have toward evangelism and what evangelism is, and how they've seen it being done, they see something like this, and they just don't know how to respond to it.

Because here's someone who once professed the faith and knows elements of biblical revelation, and they're using that as an excuse for their rebellion. There are a number of songs that Caveman's Call had that Derek was involved in writing that talked about a biblical anthropology, a biblical understanding of the deadness of man and sin, and the graciousness of grace, and the power of God in raising dead sinners to life.

But you hear what's being used here is, again, I've listened to others of his webcasts, so he doesn't use any profanity and stuff like that. He does on his regular webcasts, rather regularly. But here you've got someone who's living in rebellion against God's ways and knows it, and has said in other contexts, even back then, I just wasn't really convinced of what it was I was saying.

And so this deconstruction stuff and all the rest of that type of language that he utilizes very regularly, he's actually had some interaction, if I recall correctly, within the past two years, I think, with John Cooper, who I was just talking about earlier.

Anyway, and he's using this as the excuse. I'm open to the work of the Spirit. Really? If you understand, well, if you did understand, then you know that the Spirit takes out a heart of stone and gives a heart of flesh.

I think he even used that language. If you are in a situation where your heart of stone is very happy where it is, and you are fulfilling your lusts, fulfilling your self-centered desires, you're not willing to turn from that lifestyle, and you're just going, well, I'm just going to keep doing what I'm doing because I can't do anything else.

That's utilizing grace as a shield from the very conviction of the Holy Spirit of God. Because you're showing, I'm sorry, someone who can just sit there sipping, looks like Starbucks, sipping a Starbucks cup in some kind of a, I don't know what kind of a church it was.

Again, I don't know what the original context of this was. A person sitting there sipping a Starbucks does not seem to me to be a person who is serious about the state of their soul. Nothing I can do about it.

It's just going to take a miracle. Well, it's true. It is going to take a miracle. But that miracle clearly isn't taking place in you right now because you're just showing no concern about it at all. When you see the Spirit of God moving in people in Scripture, men and brethren, what must we do to be saved?

There is a change that takes place. He's saying, well, I can't change my own heart. That's true. You cannot change your own heart, and you're giving evidence in having this knowledge that your heart has not been changed.

But then the truly scary part is to then go, and that's okay. Maybe that's just where I am. Maybe I'm just not chosen. Yeah, maybe you're not. Yeah, maybe you're not. It doesn't change the fact that you have been given light, and you're going to be judged based upon the amount of light that you've been given.

That should be terrifying, not sipifying. If you're just sitting there, yeah, maybe I'm not elect. You know what you're doing in your life. You know your thoughts. You know your language. You know the satisfaction you're getting.

Oh, I realize, believe me, it is not soul-fulfilling satisfaction. There's no way. But let me just ask, what if God wants to make a...I'm asking everybody this. I'm not asking Derek this. Well, since I'm asking everybody, I guess it doesn't include Derek, does it?

Does God have the right to make an example of someone? Just don't ask Pharaoh that question. Leave him out. Actually, I'm thinking about a bunch of kings in the Old Testament. Can't ask them, no. The fact they're entire nations, we can't ask that question.

Yeah, God has made an example of a lot of folks. Oh, yeah. People, kings of Israel, and kings of other nations, and other nations as a whole. And that's what people don't like. Because Soteriology 101 and all the rest of them, from their perspective, the rights of the individual, the need for everyone gets the same chance.

There's no Bible verse on that one, by the way. But that's the overarching thing. The idea that God is working all things to praise His glorious grace, and that in the final analysis, what's going to happen is we are going to, in the future, be able to look back upon what God has done.

And not only say He's done all things justly, but we're going to be able to see how He demonstrated His glory and the nature of His attributes in everything that's taken place in creation. And that will include in the just condemnation of sinners who were given tremendous amount of light.

And what that demonstrates is that the sin and rebellion that is illustrated in human existence can only be overcome by an all-powerful grace. It's not a matter of intelligence, because here's a very intelligent man.

It's not a matter of how much light you have, because he has a lot of light. Intelligent man with a lot of light. From the perspective, and I'm not sure, this did make me wonder why Soteriology, I know why Soteriology 101 posted it, but the reality is it doesn't prove their point.

It proves the exact opposite. Here's a guy who knows the Bible. He's clearly intelligent. And he goes, yeah, don't want it. I professed it, and I don't profess it anymore. What's he missing? Well, Soteriology would have to put that all completely, well, you know, he just needs to humble himself.

Well, yeah, I would say he definitely needs to humble himself. There's clearly pride involved. No question about that. But compare him to your average pagan in culture in the United States or in the West today.

You know, I think of all sorts of people today. They do not have one one-hundredth of the light that Derek Webb has been given in his life. I mean, we are literally now starting to look at people in our culture who are thoroughly secular.

Their parents didn't. Their grandparents didn't. They've never read the Bible. The public education system they've come up in, given them nothing. And so there are all sorts of people in our society that have significantly less light and knowledge than Derek Webb has.

What chance do they have? If God can't get Derek Webb, is God trying? That would be a real question. Is God trying to get Derek Webb equally with everybody else? I mean, you have to answer those questions, and I'm not sure that Leighton really does so consistently.

Let's put it that way. That's always been the issue. But how do you handle encountering someone like this who says, I know everything you're going to tell me. I might know it better than you do. And the first thing to remember is it's not your job to pretend to be the Holy Spirit of God.

It is your job to speak the Spirit's truth. And if he already knows that, maybe you can express it in some different words, but you can't improve on what the Spirit's already written in Scripture. And so there are situations where you would look at someone, and he himself said it right at the end.

He says, hey, maybe I'm not elect. And he said that to anyone with any spiritual life should be absolutely terrifying. And maybe at other moments, for Derek, it is. I don't know. I don't know. I really don't.

Like I said, I learned about all this long after it took place. And so any relationship that we had had, he didn't consider to be worthwhile inquiring of me or anything along those lines. So I don't know.

He may be a completely tortured soul at night. I have no idea. But the fact is, he knows what God's Word requires of him. And he knows that he will be held accountable for repentance. And the fact that he can just sip his latte and go, might indeed indicate having been given over.

And are there people who have been? If your theology is, no, God never gives anyone over, despite Romans 1. We're not going to worry about it. God never gives anyone over. You just keep trying and trying and trying and trying and trying and trying.

But you look in Scripture, you find that's not the case. That there were times when God did that, not only in the Old Testament, but in the New Testament as well. God brought punishment upon people. And the fact of the matter is, people don't like a God.

People want a God who holds punishment off until the end, and then always leaves it open as to what the nature of that punishment is going to be. And so we can sort of hope that nothing will ever really come of it.

The idea of a God who acts in justice in time, very plainly today, is not very popular. When I think of just how over the course of my own ministry, a large number of what used to be conservative individuals, how they have become extremely embarrassed, I guess that's the right term, extremely embarrassed about God's judgment in the Old Testament.

The flood, Israel's occupation of the promised land and being used as an instrument of judgment upon pagan nations, that kind of stuff. Just so much embarrassment. And people have said, and it's well said, there should not be any problem passages in the Bible.

Not that there are not difficult passages in the Bible to interpret or to understand or to make application or to harmonize or whatever else, but it just seems that for many people, the reason there are problematic passages is because I just don't want to believe that God would be like that.

And so I think that's where a lot of people are. They listen to something like this, and they go, I don't want to have to say to someone, yeah, everything that you're doing, have been doing for years, everything you're saying, is indicative of a person who's been given over.

They don't want to have to say that. But there are people that are indeed like that. And it should be terrifying to all of us to see something like that, but there it is. You know, I was really, really hesitant to even mention this, but I just don't see any way around it.

I'm not going to play it, but a video popped up in my feed earlier. Actually, I can find it since I'm not... I think I put that as a reply or something along those lines. Yeah, there it is. Fellow by the name of Kamau Kambon, author and owner of Blacknificent Books.

A video appeared of him talking about the problems we face today. And the biggest problem, he's a black man, and the biggest problem from his perspective is the existence of white people. And he has this idea that white people act as a group, and all of us white people go, we do?

I didn't know that. I missed the meetings. Well, that's true. And that's where you get, well, it's not white people as a group, it's whiteness. And then you... And it just goes on from there. Anyway, this video appeared, and his conclusion was that the only way to solve all these problems is to wipe white people off the face of the earth.

Kill them all. Just take them all out. Now, you see that kind of stuff on Twitter. There are some accounts that actually go searching for it and then repost it like, ah, this is going on, that type of thing.

The thing... I always go back to somewhere in the 90s. I had just finished doing a ride down in South Mountain Park. I did it a lot in the 90s, evidently. And I was listening to the Michael Medved show.

I don't even know if the Michael Medved show even exists any longer. It used to be one of the afternoon talk programs, and then something happened, and he ended up crossways with somebody, I don't know.

And he had this woman on, and they were talking about racism. So this is about a quarter century ago. And this person was arguing that they could not be a racist because they don't have power. And so it doesn't matter what...

So in other words, the substance of racism was redefined into the power dynamics that now it's a given. Sadly, on almost any college campus, university campus in the West, it is now an accepted fact that you cannot be a racist if you don't, quote unquote, have power.

So your heart can be filled with hate. And it can be irrationally filled with prejudice and hatred and bias against someone solely because of the color of their skin. It doesn't have to have anything to do with their character or their actions or anything.

It's like the other video that showed up about three days ago. The guy on the train, did you see that one? You got a white couple and a baby, and they're sitting there and they're talking. And this Black fellow...

Now, I don't know if they were just ignoring him because in any major city in America today, you're going to see people with earphones in talking loudly to themselves or to somebody on a phone or something or singing along or who knows.

Nobody knows. That first started happening, it's sort of like, what's wrong with that person? And now you've got earbuds and stuff like that. So maybe they were just ignoring him because there are people who go around doing that, and there are lots and lots of people on trains and stuff like that that are talking loudly to whoever's out there.

I just went through a drive-thru on the way in, and there was a guy near the beginning of the drive-thru, and he was telling the world something. I don't know what he was telling them. I ain't going to stop to find out, but that's how it happens.

So maybe at first they were just ignoring him, but it became very clear he was talking directly to them, and in fact, he was insulting the child. He started rapping, and that was the thing that caught my attention.

To be able to rap the way spoken word type thing that he did there for a second, he's got a vocabulary. He's got a broad vocabulary. He knows what rhymes with what, and he was using terms that most people do not utilize in their normal everyday conversation.

And then they start to stand up to get off the train, and he just gets in their face, and, I'm a black American, you're beneath me! And hey, when the entire city of San Francisco is going, we're going to give five million dollars.

We're going to in-debt everyone in the city of San Francisco with reparations, even though California was never a slave state or anything like that, and they didn't have slaves there anyways. But we're going to do it anyways.

When you tell a particular group over and over again, here is something you cannot be. You cannot be a racist. That may be the single most effective way to create racism that has ever been imagined. Well, you can't do that, because you don't have power.

What that says to them is, if you want to hate in your heart, and you want to hate people that are different than you, go for it! It's good! Yeah! All right! And it's happening all around us. It's happening all around us.

So this, once again, I'm going back to 2018 here, when the MLK50 thing happened. Saying the same thing now, got in trouble for it then. You know, Kyle James Howard, I wouldn't be in the same room with James White, I'd be afraid!

Okay. There is a biblical sin of racism. It's hatred in your heart toward a brother, toward a fellow human being, that has no ground in their character. It's one thing to join with the psalmist and saying, my soul hates those who do evil.

That's one thing. But to say, I hate black people, is to demonstrate a fundamentally unregenerate heart. A heart that loves its sin and loves its rebellion. And it is identical to say that if you're a black person of white people, or of Asian people, or if you're Hispanic of black people, or whatever.

It doesn't matter. Biblically, racism is a matter of the heart. It's a matter of character. It's a matter of recognizing that there is one human race and many ethnicities. And to hate on that basis is really fundamentally a rebellion against God.

Because God could have made you any color he wanted to. He made you the color that you are, and you are to honor and glorify him in light of where he's put you. But to engage in the kind of vitriol and nastiness that these people engage in.

I don't care if you're black, white, orange, or yellow. Anyone can engage in the sin of racism. And if you want to damage your society and damage the people in it, tell them they can't be racists unless they have power.

The poorest man, the poorest, most downtrodden man can have a heart filled with hatred and racism. It does not matter how much power that person has at all. At all. That's just simply biblical truth. That's biblical reality.

And we need to recognize it. And it's just amazing the things. It's just the examples that you can now present from just almost every day. Just looking at your computer screen. Amazing thing. Amazing thing.

So let me just go ahead and look at this. I was pointed to an issue. This is just further evidence that I was behind the eight ball on this stuff. This is from 2020 from Credo Magazine. So Credo Magazine was heading down the great tradition road long before I had sniffed any of this stinky stuff in the air.

And there's this description of the Volume 10, Issue 4, 2020 Credo Magazine on Eternal Generation. And the description goes along these lines. Well, I'm reading the description from the website. The eternal generation of the sun has fallen on hard times.

In the last century, evangelicals have dispensed with the doctrine in the spirit of a narrow biblicism. Then in italics, we just believe the Bible. So we stop again. I'm going to point out we've actually looked at a number of, well, at least a couple Credo Magazine articles so far.

And we have found that balance is not something that Credo Magazine is looking for. Credo Magazine is looking to promote a particular perspective and being accurate in the treatment of anybody who doesn't agree with their perspective is clearly not a high priority.

There are lots of evangelicals in the last century and this century that would speak of the eternal generation of the sun. And I'm not sure what a narrow biblicism is. We just believe the Bible is being put forward as something to be mocked.

Others have thrown out the doctrine because they cannot master the mystery of such a belief. Now, notice the terminology here. Dispensed with the doctrine, thrown out the doctrine. This is what's really troubling in looking at anything coming out of Credo is that if you don't dot the I's and cross the T's where we tell you to, where we interpret the great tradition to say to do it.

Now, we're going to sit here and tell you we're actually sitting at the feet of the ancient interpreters. But the fact of the matter is those ancient writers are interpreted in a number of different ways and always have been.

It's like, how many? Ask the Dominicans. So, you all interpret Thomas in the same way, right? That's how to make them all crack up. Just watch them all rolling on the ground laughing because everybody knows that's not the case.