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Wednesday on this 24th day of April 2019.

And I am absolutely thrilled to have a returning guest today.

Who is one of my favorite preachers of all time.

His name is Reverend Jeff Thomas and I have a very strong feeling that most of my listeners know exactly

who he is.

But for those of you who do not know Reverend Jeff Thomas.

He began his ministry at the Alfred Place Baptist Church in Everest with

whales in 1965 and remained there as pastor for 50 years

until his recent retirement and he is an author and Today we are going to be addressing

the life and ministry of one of his favorite Christians from the 20th century

Dr. D. Martin Lloyd -Jones, and it's my honor and privilege to welcome you back to iron sharpens iron radio.

Reverend Jeff Thomas.

Thank you very much.

It's a honor

for me to be praise

God.

Well I know that you are no longer the pastor at Alfred Place Baptist Church, but for the

sake of our listeners who Either live in Wales.

We do have listeners in Wales.

But also for the sake of those who may be visiting there.

They may have family there.

Can you tell us something about this wonderful church where you served for over half a century as their

pastor?

And you're or there I should say website Describes this church as an independent and

Baptist Church Who stands together for the historic Christian faith based on the Bible?

For any more details, would you categorize this as a Reformed Baptist Church.

It can.

That's what I thought.

I couldn't imagine you preaching anywhere else for 50 years.

And did I remember how to pronounce abberist with?

Abberist with so the emphasis is on the rust.

And if anybody would like more information about this fine church, you can go to Alfred Place

Church org UK.

Alfred Place Church org UK.

Amen.

Well, I will.

I am so blessed that my very first pastor when I first

left Roman Catholicism and became a born -again believer at What was then called Calvary

Baptist Church of Amityville, Long Island and it later became After a merger a grace reform Baptist

Church of Long Island in Merrick, New York, but my very first pastor Mike Gadosh.

Yeah, who?

Operates solid ground Christian books and port port st. Lucie, Florida now.

He introduced me to your ministry many years ago.

I am so delighted that he did and so I'm so grateful.

They did.

Yeah, amen.

Well, you're also going to be preaching.

You're one of the preachers at the foundations conference, which is coming up in December of this year

in New York City.

I am so delighted to be returning to this conference.

I have been to all of them for the last four years, I believe and It's in the

heart of Manhattan and this year They're going to be focusing on the theme prayer and preaching the

foundations of ministry.

That's December 19th and 20th and you I will be mentioning the whole roster later

on.

But you are one of the speakers.

Can you.

I don't even know if you are aware yet.

But do you know what you will specifically be speaking on under the heading of

prayer

and

preaching?

Oh, yes.

I'm

looking forward to seeing.

Dr. Lawson again.

I've seen him a number of times preach and I'm looking forward to another opportunity.

And when you mentioned young pastors I immediately thought of one of the speakers there this

December.

I don't know if you've ever heard him, but you are going to be a very blessed.

By Reverend Armin Tomassian.

I don't know if you've heard him yet.

But he is I believe going to be a household name amongst Reformed Christians over the next decade.

Reverend Armin Tomassian is a pastor within the Free Presbyterian Church of North America denomination and

he's originally from Northern Ireland, but is now pastoring in South Carolina.

And I am just Thoroughly blessed beyond words by this brother and he's a young man, but he has

gifts and wisdom beyond his youth.

So

yeah, and by

the way.

Congratulations are in order for Reverend Jeff Thomas.

I just learned this before we went on the air.

But our dear brother has found a new bride after his what first wife went home to be with the

Lord.

And he has married an old friend, correct?

I

Hardly view you as being decrepit.

You've got more energy and passion than most people my age and yeah and

younger.

Well

a

criticism

of

it.

You could have it all you go yourself.

You could have all things working together for you.

Good.

Well, I am looking forward to that and we have to have you back on the show to discuss that when it's in.

Very good.

Who's who's publishing.

Oh Joel Beeky with the Reformation Heritage books.

Yes.

That's right.

Yes.

So Joel's a friend.

I've known Joel since the early 1990s and in fact that was one of the people

that was involved in getting Joel on the radio for the very first time in his life because his

former denomination did not believe in using the radio a Bit of a

hyper Calvinist denomination that Joel left and.

And he is what a powerful preacher he is.

Oh.

500 praise

God.

Well, we are discussing the life and ministry of.

Dr. D. Martin Lloyd -Jones today.

Oh, by the way, I would just want a quick letter.

Listeners.

No, I forgot.

I think I forgot to give the website for the foundations conference.

I'm sure I'll be repeating this later.

But the foundations conference if anybody would like to register, you know it's being held as I said, December 19th and

20th in New York City and Our guest Jeff Thomas is just one of the

speakers on the roster there.

Go to the foundations conference comm.

That's the Foundations conference comm and all the details that you will need for this conference December

19th and 20th in New York City are right there.

But going back to the life and ministry of dr. D. Martin Lloyd -Jones.

Did you know him personally.

I know that.

He just went home to be with the Lord in the early 1980s, I believe perhaps 1981.

And

did you

know

him

personally.

And I found

that

enormously

helpful.

And then

a Similar

volume

was

in

19 or two men.

I

knew

I

once

a month

and

there

was

mrs

Harris pint -sized five -foot and

after this young man has said to us You listen to

what he said

To

see

you

with

me.

Some

looking

back.

And

then

they

berated

Redemption and

then

the war

is a

candidate

in

the

cabinet.

The flower of

the

field

the

grass

wither

at

the flower They're

all

faded

praise

God.

And

by the way, I know that banner of truth has a DVD.

Called logic on fire the life and legacy of dr Martin Lloyd -Jones that our listeners should

every one of you listening should get a hold of this at banner of truth org.

Banner of truth org, you can also get it at Cumberland Valley Bible Book Service.

Cv bbs .com Cv bbs .com.

Logic on fire.

It almost sounds oxymoronic.

To send two things that normally don't go together logic and fire.

But what a what a great title for a DVD on the life and legacy of dr. Martin Lloyd -Jones.

Described.

Wow now was that was that common amongst Calvinistic Methodists,

that's what I thought as

well.

In fact, could we pick up right where you left off there when we return from our station break as we have to go to our first break right now

and We'll pick right up where you left off on His view of baptism.

If anybody would like to join us on the air with a question for my guest today Jeff Thomas about

The Reverend do the dr. D. Martin Lloyd -Jones.

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We are discussing the life and ministry of Martin Lloyd -Jones and you were speaking about

his views of baptism which were unusual.

For a Calvinist Methodist because he believed in Credo baptism the baptism of believers are alone.

But he did not immerse he poured he reminded me.

Not only when you mentioned his views of baptism, but you when you mentioned Port Talbot, Wales.

He reminded me of my friend who is now with the Lord Peter Jeffrey who pastored

the church that was first pastored by Dr. Martin Lloyd -Jones

Sanfield's in Port Talbot.

Yeah, and I had the rare privilege of having Peter Jeffrey visit my mother when she was

dying of pancreatic cancer and he was alone with her for about a half hour and he emerged from her sickbed

and it gave me such great reassurance that she was truly born again and In fact, I can remember him

saying to me.

I don't know what you're worried about.

Your mother's born again.

She's going to heaven.

But but He told me if I'm not mistaken if my memory serves me, right.

Peter Jeffrey told me that at Sanfield's.

I don't know if they did this when dr Jones was there, but he said that at Sanfield's when at least when Peter Jeffrey was

pastoring they permitted both Believer baptism by immersion or pouring or infant

baptism.

Do you know that to be the case of mine is my memory serving me?

Huh?

Now, I'm

just

curious when you were talking before about his decision.

Dr.

Martin Lloyd -Jones his decision not to pursue a career in medicine where he was

trained for which he was trained.

And but that to pursue the pastoral ministry.

Do you know how his?

His parents and his wife perhaps may have reacted to that because I get only I get

I.

I can't help but remember learning about Martin Luther's own father becoming furious when Martin Luther

gave up a a Future in law to become a priest when he was still a Roman

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becoming a pastor rather than pursuing medicine where they had been trained.

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We are now back with our guest today Reverend Jeff Thomas.

Are you still there, Reverend Thomas.

I certainly am.

Because we have an echo going on in the background I can hear my own voice.

Nuisance.

I don't know if you could turn down your computer.

Or whatever it is that's playing me back there.

Do you know if there's a computer on there that's playing me back?

Okay, we're going to have to just deal with that.

I'm not sure why that's happening.

We have a listener in Avon Lake, Ohio

Andrew.

And Avon Lake reminds me of my childhood home Avon Lake in Amityville, Long Island.

But this is a different Avon Lake.

This is Avon Lake, Ohio.

And Andrew has several questions.

Is it true that Dr. Jones nailed the pulpit to the platform at Westminster Chapel?

Okay, his second question is Other than his book on the Sermon on the Mount What are some

important books Dr. Jones has written?

And his book Spiritual Depression is quite a powerful book.

Yes, that's right.

And we have, Andrew has one more question.

Given that Lloyd Jones did not attend seminary.

Do you know how he prepared himself for ministry?

We have a mutual friend of yours and mine Pastor Thomas, or

Reverend Thomas.

And Aberystwyth Wales, Mike.

Who sat under your preaching.

And I believe he may still be going to that church Alfred Street Baptist Church.

But Mike in Aberystwyth Wales says.

What aspects of preaching does he think are missing today?

Personally, I think there's a lack of in -depth preaching on the cross.

Other than almost passing references to Christ dying.

I

wonder

as

they

hear

about

the

cross

of

the Lord

Jesus.

And with joy they can't put into words

Before they realize how wonderful the words are That their singing is

transformed.

I won't let you go.

Christ and

thrilled

with

him An overwhelmed power

to reach the

hearts of every

sort of sinner.

I want to see young children say

Giving

power,

working

of the Savior

with a warm and

steady

Thoroughly we'd be eager to be with our fellow.

Power to be at the meetings We'd look

forward to being at the Lord's Supper.

Turn away from the entertainments and

the marks of a revived church.

Praise God, thank you so much for that necessary word.

And by the way, Mike out in Aberystwyth Wales.

I want to thank you from the bottom of my heart For being such a blessing to me personally After I lost my

precious wife.

Both Mike and I were brothers who are widowers.

Just as you were, Reverend Thomas.

And Mike has continued to pray for me When I have bouts of deep

grief that still remain.

And I know that he knows from where he speaks.

Having experienced the loss of a precious wife.

So thank you very much, Mike.

I will never forget you for your warmth.

For your faithful prayer and encouragement.

And comfort and brotherhood.

Praise God for both of you.

Well, God bless you, Mike.

Keep listening to Iron Sherpa's Iron Radio.

And keep spreading the word in Aberystwyth Wales and beyond.

Let's see, we have Grady in Asheboro, North Carolina.

Let's see, Chris, my brother.

Another great show Dr. Thomas, with Dr. Lloyd -Jones being a Calvinist

Methodist.

Who were his Christian influences?

You said J .C. Ryle was one of yours.

Did he have an influence on the doctor also?

Amen.

We have Joe in Athai, County Kildare, Ireland.

Who says, thank you for your continued labors with Iron Sherpa's Iron Radio.

There is a phrase associated with Dr. Lloyd -Jones Logic on fire.

Could your guest elaborate on what it meant in the ministry of the man?

We touched on this earlier because of the DVD series.

But perhaps you could elaborate on that?

Amen.

Amen.

And Joe in Athai, Ireland.

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And you'll find all the information that you need.

And we are going to our final break right now.

This is a brief, more brief break than the last one.

If you would like to join us on the air.

Send in your email now because we're running out of time.

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Welcome back, this is Chris Arnzen And this is our final segment Of our interview today With Reverend Jeff Thomas.

Time flew by too quickly for me.

I love every second of interviewing this brother And I look forward to his return.

We are talking about Dr. D. Martin Lloyd -Jones.

If you'd like a question asked on the air And answered by our guest, Jeff Thomas Please email it immediately Because we're running out of

time.

Chrisarnzen at gmail .com Is the email address.

We have Christopher in Suffolk County Long Island, New York.

Who said, I had heard That the ecumenism of J .I. Packer And John Stott

Seriously damaged his friendship With Dr. D. Martin Lloyd -Jones.

Is this true?

Yes,

supernatural.

That is the

Playing the redemptive era

A vital

relationship

With the God of the Bible With

power and the Holy Ghost And with much assurance.

And that is not a Of the Roman Church.

Did their friendship ever recover at all?

Together.

Wow.

In hell.

Under redemption.

Yes, very sad.

We have B .B. in Cumberland County, Pennsylvania.

Who asks I know.

This question Typically comes up Whenever Dr. Martin Lloyd -Jones Is being addressed.

But could you give us some Enlightenment on what his views Really were In regard to a

second blessing.

All

that

Very near He is their

Lord and Savior.

History of redemption Insight And

transform.

So sound.

That's what Lloyd -Jones says.

We have Bobby in Hartsdale, New York Who asks What do you think Dr. Martin Lloyd

-Jones Would be most displeased with In regard to his fellow Calvinists In the 21st century

If he were alive today?

Well, if you could In about a minute's time Summarize what you most want Etched on the hearts and minds Of our

listeners today Regarding this great Hero of the faith Dr. Martin Lloyd -Jones

Amen.

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Don't forget You can discover The writings of our guest Jeff Thomas.

At banneroftruth .org Banneroftruth .org I want to thank you so much Reverend

Thomas For being on our show today.

I look forward to Many future returns.

God willing I just savor Every second of our interviews.

It's been my privilege And pleasure.

Indeed, Chris.

Thank you for inviting me.

Well, if you could remain On the phone Until we go off the air Because I want to give you A proper goodbye off the air.

Okay.

And I want to thank Everybody who listened Especially those who took The time to write.

And I want you all To always remember For the rest of your lives That Jesus Christ Is a far greater Savior Than you

are a sinner.

Amen.