October 7, 2020 Show with Roger Salter on “George Whitefield: We Must Be Taken Out of Ourselves”

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And I am so thrilled once again to have one of my favorite returning guests of all time, my dear friend Roger Salter, who is rector of St. Matthew's Anglican Church in Birmingham, Alabama. And today we are going to be addressing George Whitefield, We Must Be Taken Out of Ourselves.

Once again, that's George Whitefield, We Must Be Taken Out of Ourselves. And just a bit of interesting information, George Whitefield just went home to be with the Lord on September 30th, obviously not of this year.

He went home to be with the Lord on September 30th in 1770. But it is my honor and privilege to welcome you back to Iron Sharpens Iron Radio, Roger Salter.

Good afternoon.

And once again, for the sake of our listeners, if you could tell us briefly a summary of St. Matthew's Anglican Church in Birmingham, Alabama.

We are a small congregation.

And if anybody wants to learn more about St. Matthew's Anglican Church in Birmingham, Alabama, you could go to stm, for St. Matthew's, anglican .weebly, W-E-E-B as in boy, L-Y dot com. That's stmanglican .weebly, W-E-E-B as in boy, L-Y dot com.

And you can also go to rogersalter .com. And Salter is spelled S-A-L-T-E-R. There's no P in his last name, as you would find in that glorious God-breathed hymn book from the Old Testament known as the Psalter.

And we have a fascinating discussion today, I'm sure, about one of my favorite heroes of the Christian faith, George Whitefield. It's kind of interesting that the first thought in my head when I conjure up an image of George Whitefield is not Anglican.

Because of the fact that he was a fiery street preacher, outdoor open air evangelist. You don't normally associate that with Anglican ministers and rectors and evangelists. And in fact, were not the local Anglicans, especially those in the clergy and perhaps hierarchy, so upset by Whitefield that they tried to disrupt his outdoor services?

I had even heard a story, and perhaps you can confirm whether or not it is truth or myth, but I heard that a herd of cattle was set free to parade or charge through the area where Whitefield was preaching in order to disrupt his service.

And that was actually orchestrated by some in the Anglican church. Is that actually a factual event from history?

Well, I believe so. I don't know about it.

You have come up with an interesting theme for this discussion. George Whitefield, we must be taken out of ourselves. Can you please explain that subtitle?

Yes, certainly.

Well, you sure do a great job faking it because every time you're on the show, I find you utterly fascinating, and so do a large and growing number of my listeners in my audience. This great enemy that we have, which is ourself, and more specifically, our pride, this is probably the polar opposite of what we often hear in modern evangelicalism.

We hear that the cause of most ills in our lives, perhaps even especially in the lives of young people, is a lack of self-esteem. But that is really not at the root of man's greatest problems, is it?

No, it isn't. It's the major thing.

In fact, while you're pausing, I'm going to give our email address for anyone who wants to join us on the air with a question of your own. It is ChrisArnzen, at gmail .com, C-H-R-I-S-A-R-N-Z-E-N, at gmail .com.

Please, as always, give us your first name at least, your city and state of residence, and your country of residence. If you live outside the USA, please only remain anonymous if your question involves a personal and private matter, like, for instance, if we bring up a theological issue that you'd like to ask about, perhaps it's an issue where you're in agreement with my guest, and you know that your pastors may vehemently disagree with this issue.

Perhaps you're a pastor, and you know that your fellow elders are in disagreement with you over this issue, or your denomination, or perhaps you are vehemently in disagreement with my guest, Roger Salter.

And you just don't want to call attention to your identity. I understand that, and I'll give you the permission to remain anonymous for personal reasons like that. But if it's just a general question on theology, doctrine, history, please give us at least your first name, city and state, and country of residence.

In fact, we do have already a question from RJ in White Plains, New York. He asks, I don't know if I missed this or not, but did you ever give a reason as to why the Anglican Church of Whitefields Day were so much in opposition to him, and was this the majority or just a minority of angry or envious folks within the Church of England who had this problem with him?

It was a general...

Thank you, RJ, in White Plains, New York. And this problem of pride is not only for those that are extraordinarily gifted, not only for those that are public speakers and preachers and pastors and evangelists, it even is a curse to many of the most unknown and those of us who are more behind the scenes in life, living private, quiet lives.

The sin of pride can plague anyone. In fact, would you say that very often the problem of what is called, as I mentioned earlier, what is called a lack of self-esteem or even self-hatred, even to the point of suicidal behavior at times, isn't this really not necessarily the hatred of self, but one being far too preoccupied with oneself, that they are driven to this depression because they don't believe they are getting the lot in life they deserve, or there's something that is driving them to what one might observe as self-loathing that is really a depression being spawned of self-absorption?

I think it's offended and...

An added problem to this whole scenario is, I know that you are from originally Tasmania, Australia, I know that you were educated in England, but I don't know if this is such a problem or issue in those places, but obviously you've been here in the United States long enough where you know that in the United States, and of course, it also varies in intensity geographically in the United States as well.

You might have people in the South not necessarily acting in certain ways that are dominant in the North, and of course, the same thing could go with the differences between East Coast and West Coast.

But one problem at least that I've noticed growing up in New York and living here in Pennsylvania in the Northeast, and being a part of the media, especially the Christian media for actually most of my adult life, pride, which is clearly a sin, pride is viewed by many people, and perhaps even unconsciously by Christians, or consciously, it is viewed as actually an asset.

It is viewed as something that gives everyone around that person, or at least in the notion of the one who is proud, that they really know what they are talking about. They really are gifted. They really are somebody to be reckoned with.

They are somebody who is in charge. They are somebody that we should look up to. They are a real leader. And of course, there is a difference between being confident, being confident that you are skilled in the gifts that God has given you, and being confident that God will see you through an action you are taking, or a cause you are involved in, or whatever.

But there is a difference between that and pride. And we, in our culture, and it is probably something that is not just a modern phenomenon, it is probably something that has been going on since the dawn of time, where people view pride as an actual asset.

And in fact, very often when a woman, a young woman especially, is being questioned or interviewed about what she looks for in a man, the kind of man that she wants to marry, and so on, the word confidence immediately will be among those, typically.

And very often, the individual who is actually filled and overflowing with pride and vanity is what these poor, naive, duped women are viewing as confidence in something attractive and desirable. But going back to my original thought here, that I may have gone off on a rabbit trail, we should never be viewing pride as an asset or a good thing, and we should never be confusing it with righteous confidence.

Yes.

How does that go over?

It's this idea.

We have to go to our first station break right now. If anybody would like to join us with a question of their own, again, our email address is chrisarnsen at gmail .com, c-h-r-i-s-a-r-n-z-e-n at gmail .com.

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We are addressing today the theme, George Whitefield, We Must Be Taken Out of Ourselves. Our email address, if you'd like to join us on the air with a question, is chrisarnzen at gmail .com, c-h-r-i-s-a-r-n-z-e-n at gmail .com.

Give us your first name at least, your city and state of residence, and your country of residence if you live outside the USA. You know, there's an old saying, you've probably heard it, the bigger they are, the harder they fall.

That's typically a phrase that comes up when somebody who is small physically in stature is about to have some kind of a violent encounter with a much larger person. But I think that there's a lot of truth in there, even though it's not a biblical citation.

I think the concept is biblical in regard to the greater one's pride. It seems that the greater, ultimately, the downfall will be the most that person who is being brought low, either as a punishment or because of the wrath of God, when you're talking about an unbeliever or an enemy of Christ, or if you're talking about a Christian, it's actually an act of chastisement and love that this is occurring.

But the person is often forced, the larger in stature, I'm not speaking about physically, I'm talking about the larger in stature, they presume themselves to be or that they have become in this life through prideful strategy and using everyone else as a stepping stone to get where they are and so on.

When there is a fall there, there is much more that needs to be given up and abandoned or much more that is taken away from them. And the falls are very often scandalous and well-known because the person is well-known.

But if you could comment on what I just said, and also, if you could give us some daily remedies in the lives of Christians that they can prayerfully seek to utilize in their lives to either prevent this rearing its ugly head, this wickedness of pride, or to squash it when it exists.

The braggart we have, but not the other word.

That's disappointing to hear. In fact, we've got to go to our midway break right now, and if you could pick up on Ecclesiastes when we return. If anybody wants to join us with your own question, our email address again is chrisarnson at gmail .com.

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I praise you because I'm fearfully and wonderfully made and wondrous are your works that my soul knows very well. He saw God's goodness and mercy, kindness, and the beauty in what God has designed, and he has erupted into praise.

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Such is the beauty of his design. Knowing that design, how can we not add up in praise to our great God like the psalmist.

Did?

May God bless you and give all of us wisdom to see greater things in his design. Thank you.

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