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Thank you. Morning. Welcome to the dividing line a special mega edition of the dividing line here on a Thursday morning unusual time for us. I understand but Here we are we have been gone for a while and we have much to catch up with.

Let me Begin with sincere. Thanks to those of you who prayed over the weekend. On Facebook and Twitter the word got out that I wasn't feeling so well you know, I've become very very ill while traveling twice now and As I as I weigh the two places where I've become very very ill.

It's significantly more comfortable to be very very ill in London than in Oakland, California. Just just thought I'd mention that I'm appreciative of the fact that you know there were nice paramedics and things like that and my first ride in an ambulance and things like that, but The emergency room in Oakland on a Saturday night is really not one of the best places you want to you want to be so There there you go.

But We're feeling almost 100 again, not quite but it takes a while to get over things like that. But we're here and many many. Thanks. Also sincere. Thanks as Many of you know, we have something called the ministry resource list which began a couple years ago.

Which is always a great source of Encouragement to me and some folks have been very kind on on that and then a few Enterprising folks have searched around and found that I have a personal list and I just tweeted something.

Sometimes I put things on there. They're still directly relevant, but you know Let's just say someone got me Codex Sinaiticus. Not the real one. I mean, that would be great. That would be that'd be super.

I'm not sure where he put it, but And it's actually in a multiple different museums so that really wouldn't work out at all, but Back in 2010 Hendrickson publishers put out a facsimile edition of Codex Sinaiticus.

What do we say it weighed yesterday 30 pounds. 30? Pounds. I just tweeted a picture of it and someone said I'm a complete nerd. Yes, my Bible nerdom is so epic someone on tweets them. But I just treated a picture of it up on my on my shelf.

It is Humongous it is big and I'm very happy to have that and yes, it is all in line today. But you know a PDF of Sinaiticus is not nearly the same. It just doesn't weigh 30 pounds or anything. It's just not anybody can have that but I've got the big book now.

And so now if people say what do you use that for well? I'll use it to beat up on the King James only guys that come after me with their big honkin 1611 Facsimile editions, which aren't anywhere near as big as this thing not even close to this size.

It's just yeah.

I was just wondering what do you think that would fit on that set of shelves that I messed up and I don't know.

I don't know. I don't even think this shelves you messed up are tall enough now super tall and it is this is huge. It's huge. Yeah, it's big. It's very big. So I don't and the thing is the thing about about Amazon wish list whether it's mr. Resource list my personal one doesn't necessarily tell you who got it, so I don't know.

Who who got that for me and I am very very thankful to whoever you are. That you that you did that I appreciate that. And of course there are people on in Twitter now going looking at everything else in the picture other than that going.

Oh, you got a new lamp. You got a new picture frame. Actually the picture is interesting because to the right there is a picture on the wall and That's that's the picture from when I was speaking at the Metropolitan Tabernacle in London.

So it sort of goes. Actually, there's a sense of irony. You think about that and the Codex Sinaiticus, but that's another issue. You won't get into today. So we've been gone for quite some time and you know the bummer about Collapsing at airports and being dragged out in gurneys things like that.

It sort of ruins what you went over to do in the first place had a great time at Cornerstone Seminary with class on apologetics, and I do want to thank Abdullah Kunda on Thursday when we started talking about Islam in class I Also, it struck me and and I went man I am getting old last January when I taught that class at Golden Gate we hooked up with a bill of couldn't device Skype down in Sydney and He spent an hour with us talking with the students and you know, we set it up.

It's really easy to do, you know, you got a you put your laptop up front it's got the camera you he can see us we can see him we project him up on the screen and It worked really well last year and all sudden it struck me.

I had not even thought about doing that and So during one of the breaks I I dropped Abdullah An email knowing that he's already like a day ahead of us. So this is this would be like Saturday on his at his time 18 hours as I recall and So we You know got it all set up he he wrote back said yeah, it's gonna be eight o 'clock in the morning was when He was gonna be getting together with us, but he spent an hour with us on Skype and again Two times now we've done an hour-long Trans-pacific Skype Situation without so much is one incident of max headroom stuff No breaks no interruptions, no nothing the technology has definitely improved over the years and That was that was very very interesting.

And in fact, that's sort of what led to Abdullah's commentary on William Lane Craig's comments, which I will try to get to as well. Well, I'm not gonna get to that because I just realized I don't well I could probably bring it up we'll see we'll see.

And in a jumbo or a mega I might actually get there now I think about it well, we'll see but much has come up and Some of this, you know, I was I was thinking about the topics that we're dealing with today and It's Every topic that I'm gonna be dealing with it almost every time.

Well, you know every topic I'm gonna be dealing with today is Just Going to just make me so much less popular than I already am. It's it's just great I was thinking about every single topics like well This group's gonna hate what I have to say about this and this group's gonna and I was I was looking at Facebook yesterday yes, I actually looked at Facebook yesterday and Some of the comments that I was getting, you know, they're talking people people talking about, you know This sniping that we do you just you're just sniping at people because I was talking about well, I need to address the subject of What William Lane Craig said especially about Psalm 11 5 and you know, I I think it's I think it's important and I Just know there's gonna be a lots and lots of people that are not gonna not gonna like that at all.

So, where do we start? Where do we start? Actually, I'm gonna start with something so to get out of the way so I have a little bit more of a consistent theme I guess there really isn't any particular theme, but I was directed To an Article that Bart Ehrman posted on his blog night.

I generally don't follow Everything the Bart Ehrman has to say but I was directed to a specific Set of comments by Bart Ehrman because he made reference to me this is on my birthday December 17th, and it was responses to my Newsweek article and Ehrman's response unfortunately is Directed to a a pack of lies Posted by someone by the name of ML and I have a feeling ML might be Listening to the program either that or he listens to the Janet Mefford show.

He says there is a very strident conservative evangelical woman who does a religious themed radio show named Janet Mefford. So Janet's a strident conservative evangelical woman. She has often had as a guest on her show a man James White a hardcore conservative Calvinist then he goes on to not only attack me, but He says that I was on for the sole purpose of claiming Ehrman is all wet now anyone who listened.

Well with a slight bit of fear that that's what really bothered me about this ML is a liar. He is he is dishonest. It's it's it's it's you cannot possibly be so biased That that he could actually defend what he's saying and by the way if ML whoever you are I love I love people who post just under you know, this type of thing that lie in the process.

Um, I Doubt he would listen to this program. Because I can just just tell that that you know These folks don't feel like they need to listen to what we have to say but if anyone listened to what I said on Janet Mefford show one of the things I have said and how many hours have I spent playing Bart Ehrman debates with Dan Wallace and Portions of his classes and going over stuff.

What have I said over and over and over and over and over again that any? Honest person would have to have to recognize I have said many times normally Bart Ehrman is right on about his facts. It's the interpretation.

That's the issue. How many times I said that I Don't know how many times I said that so anyone who listened what I said knows that I Was not on that program. To say that Bart Ehrman is all wet I was on that program to say, you know Bart Ehrman does not seem to reflect very much on the the overriding presuppositional nature of his worldview and Does not seem to represent the fact that there are all sorts of other Interpretations that are just as good as his and that are more consistent with a biblical worldview.

Now, that's fair. But that's what we get from ML. He goes on to. He says she tells the listener that James White had and by the way, it's funny his comment is filled with typographical errors. Which makes it had denated Bart Ehrman in a context which suggests wiped white mopped the floor with him.

No such context at all. It's a lie. It's just a lie. The problem is I'll bet you Bart Ehrman Doesn't care whether it's a lie or not isn't gonna check these things out and his comment shows that so he's responding to lies from his fans and This is somehow supposed to advance discussion.

He goes on. You did you did you know basically saying people like Ehrman shouldn't debate people like me because we're all a bunch of idiots anyways. James White mentions is having debated Ehrman regularly and despite his express contempt for Ehrman's views contempt for image.

You mean I disagreed? Oh, oh, that's that's the great sin here. You can't disagree. It's interesting to me ML. I would love if he was listening because that's the one call I would take if ML wants to go and that's me.

I'll be happy to talk to this person and expose him for the Dishonest person that he is because this is just just disgusting to me. His expressed contempt for Ehrman's views in other words He dared as a Christian to disagree with the great Bart Ehrman.

How dare you? But unfortunately, that is how these folks think. Clearly takes great pride in the fact that Ehrman considered him a gibbon enough enough to debate. No, I. Actually, sir, you need to understand something.

Bart Ehrman walked out that room with a check for 5 ,000 bucks in his pocket. I didn't. Okay, that's just a fact. That's just the way it is. It has nothing to do. Bart Ehrman didn't care who he was debating.

Bart Ehrman didn't even Google my name. He does not believe that we have anything worthwhile to say. He was condescending to me. He was kind of saying to the audience as well that came across very very clearly.

And the reason that we want to do those types of debates is to demonstrate that you can stand toe-to-toe of these folks. Because in general it's only people like you Mr. ML Who are utterly incapable of critically analyzing what these guys are saying.

You just believe whatever they say if they say it it's gospel truth. We are the ones who actually listen to both sides. You aren't. You're demonstrating right here. You're demonstrating your bias and your bigotry and you're in capacity to actually engage in meaningful exchange.

That's a shame. That's a shame. Again he does seem to listen to more to us more often because he says moreover people like you aforementioned Meffred cite the fact that Ehrman debated White to lend credibility to White despite the fact that White's debate with Ehrman went Disastrously bad for White a view reluctantly conceded even by many of White's online fanboys.

I wonder if he's thinking of Peter Lumpkins or something. That's about the closest you're gonna get. Ehrman on the other hand is not in the habit of name-dropping James White. No of course not. Not in any way shape or form nor would he because he does not care to reach us folks.

He has his his own his own anyways cognitive dissonance here is striking according a Corridigoning again this guy can't even type. According to White Ehrman doesn't know his bleep from his elbow when it comes to the Bible.

Now that's a lie. That is a downright lie and ML knows it. He knows it. Anyone is listening to me. I've never said anything even close to that ML if you have to lie about me so badly like this. What does that actually say about my arguments.

The fact you can't even begin to address my arguments can't even mention what my arguments were. Is a demonstration that you folks cannot engage with our side. You can't do it. The only thing you can do is hide behind this kind of rhetoric and the fact that the media loves you and they will not Give us the opportunity of responding.

It's all there is to it all there is to it and. So then it's that any closer. So yeah, maybe Dawkins has a point after all, but so we understand that ML is a dishonest man. And there are many people who are dishonest and leftist people are dishonest in the right.

It's not just a left-right issue. But it does seem to be rather endemic and it would seem that the left's worldview doesn't have any basis for demanding any kind of honesty, but. Then Bart Ehrman responds.

Yeah, I constantly wonder about this in my self-defense. I had never heard of James White before I agreed to debate him. He's a big person in his own small little world, but unknown among scholars the Bible, which is the world of people I Live with.

Could we have some music, please? How many times have I said how many times have I said that Bart Ehrman believes his own press and That Bart Ehrman does not listen to criticisms of his position and he honestly doesn't think there's anyone smart enough to criticize him.

That came across in the debate. It came across in the condescending way in which he engaged in the debate and the fact that a lot of his answers didn't really Deal with the question. Thank you for I did not do this.

There we go. Yeah, it's one of your favorite songs and yes, thank you. Thank you. Thank you very much for the musical interlude there, right? Thank you. Yes. There you go now remember this is the same man folks who at first agreed to debate whether Textual variation precludes the possibility of Inspiration and then a month out or two months out says no.

No, I never agreed to do that. So we had to change the topic to promote his book, of course. And then while we're on the phone and I have a witness to this I dared mention The fact that Paul viewed scripture as taught was it was the honest asked the man laughed out loud.

He thinks that's no critical scholar would ever believe that he is More careful in some of his public comments, but it is private comments. The man has no respect Whatsoever for a believing Christian.

He remember he is an apostate and he hates his former faith. This is dollar is to it. He called himself a happy agnostics. He's not happy. He's not happy. But but here's a man who just admitted. Yeah, I was I didn't I don't never heard didn't care.

Don't know didn't read his stuff. Don't need to. I'm Bart Ehrman and This is the mindset of the left and our culture is being given well what's. I wasn't gonna bring this up, but I Think I think it really is important.

I'm gonna go ahead and look at the the text here really quickly. I didn't had it didn't have it queued up, but there is a text in the scripture. That is Very sobering very very sobering. In second, this is only this chapter 2.

There's there's two groups in Paul's theology. There are those who are being saved those who are perishing. And that's one of the problems that Jehovah's Witnesses, you know. They have middle groups and things like that in Paul's thinking that you're in Christ.

You're outside of Christ. You're you have spiritual life or you're you don't you are either perishing or you're being saved. And Second that's lanes 210 says with all wicked deception for those who are perishing.

Because they refused to love the truth and so be saved therefore God sends on them a strong delusion. So they may believe what is false nor that all may be condemned who did not believe the truth But had pleasure and unrighteousness.

Here is a man who has known the truth. Here is a man who is a scholar of God's inspired word. That's what he's called he's a Bible scholar New Testament scholar specifically what is it like to possess the Word of Life in your hand and It refused to love it.

He was given quite an opportunity to do so. I mean he went to Moody. He went to Wheaton. He's heard the gospel. He's been given these opportunities. But the fact the matter is when you refuse to love the truth, you will be caused to love a lie.

That is judicial Justice, it's justice. God's under no obligation to grant the privileges that were granted to Bart Ehrman to hear the gospel with the clarity that he did there have been many who have perished without ever hearing and they will be judged on the basis of their works and found wanting because the standard of course is Perfection to enter in the presence of a holy God.

But here is a man who repeatedly heard the message of grace and yet in light of that Has now done everything in his power to dissuade others From following the truth amazing and now has been given a spirit of stupor so as to Love a lie and You know what one of the lies is he loves that he's the greatest scholar on two legs there ain't nobody like him and I've read to you in years past the commentary of people who have attended scholarly meetings with Bart Ehrman and have been disgusted by his behavior by the Condescending attitude he has toward other people even within his own circle of critical scholarship, which of course Bart Ehrman He defines that agree with him.

You're a critical scholar disagree with him you ain't You're just one of those folks Shouldn't surprise us though folks shouldn't surprise us. If you do not you know, I think anyone who seeks to engage the world today Should make it a part of their study Should make it a part of their You know just their Activities to read 1st Corinthians chapters 1 2 about once a month just Just to do it Just to have that information right there in front of you to be reminded that folks The world's gonna hate us and the world's gonna consider us foolish Absolutely foolish and That has not changed that has not changed.

All right. So there is there is Bart Ehrman, let's let's keep that in mind I think what I'll do is I'm gonna I'm gonna get the smaller subjects out of the way first. Because I've announced the fact that we're gonna be playing portions from William Lane Craig.

I'm gonna responding to that I'll do that when I get the smaller, you know shorter topics out of the way. And that's that's how we'll we'll handle things Um Briefly The 20th I guess this is gonna become a yearly thing.

I don't know there. I don't think there wasn't one in 2012. I Forget when the John 316 conference was wasn't that 2010? Anyways, it's the 2013 John 316 conference coming up March 21st and 22nd and It Is interesting to see who is going to be speaking at the 2013 of course, Jerry Vines ministries is behind it.

So Jerry Vines a inveterate anti-calvinist. But the North Metro Baptist Church down in Georgia is the host. So dr Frank Cox is gonna be is the host pastor. I suppose he's gonna be speaking. Then of course, we have David Allen Dean of School Theology Southwestern Baptist Theological Seminary who does not know what a hypercalvinist is But refuses to be corrected on that.

He will be speaking. And then right below him Ymir Kanner. Yes, indeed. Ymir Kanner the president of Truett McConnell College. Also the same place where for some reason the really really really bad list of really silly excuses That Norman Geisler still has on his website or at least had last time I checked Excusing Ergen Kanner for all of his many many lies concerning being born in Istanbul and raised in majority Muslim countries and father being a polygamist brought multiple wives to the United States and learned English by watching the Dukes of Hazzard and trained in madrasas in Istanbul Cairo and Beirut and Then you know came over to trained in jihad in 1979 and over then wonderfully converted and blah blah blah blah blah blah all which of course are lies all that stuff.

The excuses that are currently made for that stuff including How you cannot possibly cite the Hadith properly which is why we still wonder about Hadith 2425, which I was reading yesterday. By the way, I was putting together a little list of stuff and I said, ah, yeah, there's there's Hadith 2425.

There it is still there still hasn't been identified by Ergen or Ymir Kanner or Norman Geisler or any of the defenders of Ergen Kanner all that stuff still there where'd that come from it came from Truett McConnell College as we saw in the the word document from which the HTML was generated and Anyways, Ymir Kanner president Truett McConnell College.

So self-proclaimed Anabaptist is going to be speaking Steve Gaines who has often Spoken against Calvinism. Eric Hankins has become one of the big guys now. He is the one that did the Public invitation ask Jesus into your heart thing at the at the Southern Baptist Convention last year.

I don't know who Adam Harwood is, but he's at Truett McConnell College as well. And remember Ymir Kanner got rid of all the Calvinists at Truett McConnell. So that makes sense and of course Jerry Vines.

These are the speakers coming up the John 316 conference. When I saw this my only comment was it wasn't bad enough first time. Now we're gonna have to do it again. Okay. Yeah, that was good. Oh, yeah, it was 2008 wasn't it?

Yeah, cuz that that was. Wow, that wasn't that was when I was in London and I remember that it's coming up on five years now and it's the 2013 John 316 conference get your reservations in early Tulip, yeah five years to play.

That's not go there. Okay speaking of Ymir Kanner Ergen has has come out from hiding you know, we had mentioned just a couple weeks ago that Ergen Kanner has been pretty quiet of late and he got down there to Arlington Baptist Bible College and got his switched all his new American Standards over to King James Version, I'm sure and Ear that or he's just become very very good at canterizing all of his appearances, you know making sure that okay.

If I'm coming don't tell anyone swear your entire congregation to secrecy black out your website install electronic surveillance equipment so that you know, if there's anybody there with a active mp3 recorder or anything like that and maybe that's how he's doing it, you know, because we've we've we have Come up with a term canter eyes to canter eyes a sermon.

It means that you well our recording equipment didn't work today. We forgot how to upload stuff to the internet. That kind of stuff. It's still just amazing to me that instead of just coming out and saying hello. I lied.

Okay, I'm sorry I Confess I would like to be restored. I promised to never do it again. I realized it was wrong, etc, etc. Instead it's I'm gonna stick by this. I'm gonna stick to my guns. I refuse To engage with anyone who would expose me, but I'm just gonna continue doing what I'm doing.

I'm gonna stay low for a while and then we'll eventually be able to come back and everyone will have forgotten because look. That was 2010 man. That's so 2010. This is 2013 three years have passed that's longer than Jesus's ministry for crying out loud.

Can't we all We had a discussion on Facebook yesterday. You got to forgive him. You got to forgive him. He doesn't have to ask for repentance. Now the guy did say well what I mean by that is you shouldn't be mad at him.

Now I feel bad for Ergen Cantor. I feel pity for Ergen Cantor. But the guy did admit I don't think he should be restored to his position. Okay, so what do you mean forgiven. I Mean you're talking about partial forgiveness here.

You're talking about your own attitude and not allowing a root of bitterness to grow up within you. That's fine. But we're talking about a situation here where there are there are people who are in ministry.

They're in responsible positions of ministry who are doing everything in their power to continue to aid and abet The Cantor cover-up it's still going on and they are just you know what? They're taking the same political tack that the left has taken and recognizing People's memories are very short.

All they care about is what's going on right now. This was three years ago nobody cares anyone who brings this up it will immediately be attacked and I have been already and Talking about it now I can just see the people firing up the Facebook pages firing up the Twitter.

How dare you look you've just you're just focused on NASA. Folks there's been no resolution and It I really wonder how many people live today would have would have just completely given up on poor Joseph there in the prison.

Because you know, oh three years have passed and so it's just you don't talk about this stuff no more. And what I'm referring to, of course is the fact that yesterday I Think it was day before yesterday late late on Tuesday, I think He'll started sending me a little tweets and said hey, guess what?

John Ankenberg is having arrogant anemia canner on again. I think they were first on in 2003 and Of course, this was right in the middle of where they were just spouting every kind of lie. And what would be fascinating what would be fascinating would be to compare What they say now with what they said in 2003 you want to see how truthful I and others have been.

Listen to how the story changes. Listen to whether Ergen starts talking about having been born in Turkey and debating the imams in Arabic and mosques and his dad coming over with his multiple wives and Learn in English watching the Dukes of Hazzard and let's see if all that has just gone and if it has I wonder why.

Must have been those bloggers in their parents basements somehow got to him. I guess right. Hmm. What was what was Liberty's? Wonderfully politically correct way of putting it did not find any factual Misrepresentations or factual errors or something along those lines.

Nice way of saying, oh, well, we don't think you really lied. But we don't want to say that because it's pretty obvious he did. So on the John Ankerberg Facebook page even even a Muslim. When John Ankerberg said just finished a wonderful new series of John Ankerberg show.

Thanks. Dr. Ergen and Ymir Kanner pray many Muslims will come to Christ almost immediately a Muslim said how can we trust someone lied about his own mother and then has a link to Some of the lies that Ergen Kanner's talked about his own mom, you know.

She took the hijab off as she got into the baptistry according to Ymir. Once the divorce took place she became a hippie. Hippies generally don't wear hijabs. You know, I mean hello I pointed out in writing to John Ankerberg.

I Wrote John Ankerberg back in 2010 when he first put out his defense in July of 2010 of the canners and said Could you interact with some of the information we've provided here's some links never heard back never heard back.

Evidently John Ankerberg now is is invested to admit that. They've done two series of programs. Well, it would have been one thing in 2010 to look at the information ago. Wow. Okay. All right. Well. You know, we didn't know this at the time.

This information wasn't available then that would have would have been easy to say we're sorry that that this is the case. We still feel that much of what? Dr. Kanner said is valuable and and useful information, which is true something I have said many times.

How many times have I point out? Kanner's approach his rejection of the camel method. For example, I agree. He's right. The camel method is not the way to go. Okay, you know just because Ergen Kanner says it doesn't mean it's false.

But to Have them back on now and Yesterday one of the questions I asked and I would be over Joyed if this was a case over joyed if this was a case. Did he ask the questions that needed to be asked? Did he raise these issues?

I can I I at 99 .9 of My heart and mind says no no. There's no way that the canners would have shown up if John Ankerberg was going to ask them the real questions because they have refused to engage these questions.

They will not answer the questions. We've had videos up asking both Ergen and Ymir Kanner Questions for two and a half years more than two and a half years now. They will not answer because do so would be admit that they were lying that would reforce force them to confess and That's but no, there you go.

So I really doubt that the real issues were dealt with but I bet that still despite that they were at least mentioned in as I said the difference in the Telling of their own story. That has to have been the case now.

But then again, I could be surprised and who knows maybe some of the stuff that he's been exposed on. We'll end up back on the John Ankerberg show. I don't know. All I know is that when I talk to Muslims who know about this situation and I refer to people who have come to Christ out of Islam their responses.

Oh, you mean like Ergen Kanner? I What can you say? What can you say to do this again is to is to function upon the assumption? That evangelicals have no more interest in truth than the general Average American citizen does who allows things to just you know, once it's more than about six months ago.

Does it really matter? Don't really matter anymore. We are so we our attention spans are so short our memories so shallow and we don't forget we don't remember we forget and that's how it works and Unfortunately, they're probably right.

They're probably right. I'll admit it. I'll admit it. It's all there is to it. So, um, I wonder when that's gonna show. I wonder when that's gonna air. I'll I'll be interested in seeing What what comes up as to when this is going to air and I Would be interested in.

Because I don't even know where it. I don't even know how you watch the John Ankerberg show anymore to be honest with you I'm looking I'm just looking at the thing here, and I don't see any. Just finished only seven comments.

I ah Rudy got on there. Having a dishonest testimony lying about where you were born pretending you can read write and speak Arabic. Well, all while standing behind a pulpit is just as much if not more anti-christian than Muhammad himself.

Ah. There you go, I'm surprised that one even managed ten hours ago via mobile. There you go, Rudy I'm surprised that one hasn't been deleted yet. But there you go. I just wanted to see what was what was there and That's that's interesting.

All right. So there's the Ankerberg thing and the canner thing and we will see what comes of Of that. All right big thing last Week when I was in California. One morning I kept getting people writing to me and saying are you gonna respond to are you gonna comment on what William Lane Craig said on his program and you know all the rest of stuff and and At first I was like, you know, I've addressed this so many times before but then I went ahead and fired it up.

And I listened to it and I thought you know what? We have so many people who are listening to the program for the first time. I mean, I was just watching somebody in chat channel a few minutes ago and Well at the beginning of the program and the person's comment was who's Bart Ehrman.

Okay, so that's obviously someone who's not been listening to the dividing line very long or actually missed last week I was reviewing Bart Ehrman's debate with with Dan Wallace, but we have new audience all the time and.

So You probably haven't heard the fact that over the years, you know, not everybody listens the Wayback Machine, okay over the years I have interacted with dr. William Lane Craig's apologetic presentations.

Dozens and dozens of times I have played debates. For example his debating Shabir Ali. I've debated Shabir Ali many times I think probably more times than actually when when Craig has but I've played those debates and There are times when what he says and what I say would be exactly the same.

But there are times when we would respond to the very same question in very very different ways. Very very different ways why and I think. You know, there are people who do not believe that I should say anything about William Lane Craig.

They call this sniping. You're just trying to get an audience, etc. Etc. Folks. There would be so many more doors open to me if I did not engage in programs like this there really would be. The one of the reasons that I I don't get the invitations to the big conferences.

Or see me at the big conferences you haven't you haven't. One of the reasons is because I do this kind of thing I think it is I do not think there's any better way for you to see the difference in apologetic Methodologies and to see how theology must determine your apologetic methodology than to engage in this kind of examination.

It's not just William Lane Craig that I've done this with. I've been pretty across the board I've played all sorts of evidentialists all sorts of folks who are not reformed in their theology and have demonstrated through their debates how we have very very different ways of Responding the same questions because our theology demands that we respond differently and to illustrate it is how else would you illustrate it?

I mean, it's one thing to sit there and say well because our minions believe this they'll say this and because reform people say this. They'll say this. Yeah, okay, you can do that, but of course the the best way is for someone to hear it and Then hear the interaction people remember that if I can't tell you how many people have said to me It was only once you played that and you went through it.

That's when I understood that theology matters. So I don't see any other way to do it that is that is fair and honest and people say well You shouldn't do that with another Christian. Well, if I was saying he wasn't a Christian maybe but I hold Christians to a higher standard actually and I think Christians should engage in this kind of conversation and Then since we have a common source of authority It's not a bad thing to engage in this kind of conversation, and I think it's a demonstration of fear on The part of many an evangelical is in the world.

We should not know we shouldn't shouldn't do that. That's not good. No, that's that's I do not understand how Christians can view it in that way. I just don't so I have over the years played many of William Lane Craig's debates and Lectures I've played stuff from his defenders class where he went over Calvinism, and I have responded to it very very few of my critics Ever extend to me The courtesy that I extend to those that I criticize very very few of them play my comments and then Respond to what I actually said.