June 23, 2021 Show with Roger Salter on “Lessons from Latimer: What this Marytr Still Teaches Us”

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Many of you who are Christian history buffs, church history buffs, may know that this fall is going to mark an anniversary in church history. This fall, this October, I believe it will be October the 16th, in fact, will be the 466th anniversary of the execution of a great hero of the faith coming from the English Reformation, and he was among the Oxford martyrs, and this precious brother in Christ that we are going to be addressing today is Hugh Latimer, and specifically we are addressing the theme Lessons from Latimer, what this martyr still teaches us nearly 466 years after his execution for his faith.

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And it's my honor and privilege to have to address that issue, Roger Salter, Rector of St. Matthew's Anglican Church in Birmingham, Alabama, and it's my honor and privilege to welcome you back to Iron Trip and Zion Radio, Roger Salter.

It's always a great joy to be with you, it's lovely to be here.

Amen, and I echo those sentiments very heartily, brother. Well, before we go into the theme, as we always do, let our listeners know about St. Matthew's Anglican Church in Birmingham, Alabama.

Roger, go ahead.

Well, praise God. If anybody wants more information about St. Matthew's Anglican Church in Birmingham, Alabama, go to stm, which stands for St. Matthew's, stmanglican .weebly .com, and that's spelled W-E-E-B-L-Y .com.

Stmanglican .weebly .com. You can also go to Roger Salter's personal website, rogersalter .com, and Salter is spelled S-A-L-T-E-R. Well, tell us who Hugh Latimer was, the years where he ministered, or when he ministered, I should say, and why on earth was such a godly man tied to a stake and burned alive nearly 466 years ago?

I think through the time we have of the moment to think, a remarkable hero for the time. Hugh Latimer was born in 1485, and he was martyred in, you know, the Reformation period was beginning to awaken in development.

There was another man who eventually was martyred called Thomas Bilge of England in 1519. He heard, he went to make his, and his active men prisoners in dealing with the poor.

Hugh Latimer, Nicholas Ridley, and the Courage of the Martyrs

Now, who was on the throne in England when this horrific tragedy occurred?

Mary, together because of a shortage of encouraging each other for what lay ahead of them, and at Latimer's...

One of the most precious utterances I have ever read from the lips of a martyr were from Hugh Latimer when he said to his brother in Christ, Nicholas Ridley, who was about to be executed as well, be of good comfort, Master Ridley, and play the man.

We shall this day light such a candle by God's grace in England, as I trust shall never be put out. Quite a remarkable utterance, and I believe his words were true, even though England today has tragically become nearly a barren wasteland theologically.

There still remains a remnant of good and honorable and powerful Christian preachers of the gospel that still live and dwell in that nation and spread the gospel throughout England and the United Kingdom and beyond.

That's right, Chris. I mean, they are all in faith. We can begin to see...

Well, I think that we should enter into some of the precious pearls of wisdom, jewels. Our dear friend has been disconnected, and hopefully he will be back. And while we have been disconnected, let me ask my listeners for an urgent prayer request.

I just received word via text from my niece, Regina, one of my oldest brother John's children, who's an adult with a child of her own in Justin, Texas, that my brother John, who many of you have been hearing me ask for prayer for John, my brother John, who is an unbeliever.

My brother John has cancer, critical stage emphysema, and an inoperable aneurysm. Well, I just heard from my niece that he is back in the hospital, and he is very sick. That is all I know about my brother John's condition right now.

I would urge you to please pray for him, not only that the Lord rescues him physically from what may be the brink of death. He had told me prior to this, my brother John, that his doctor said that if he gets pneumonia one more time, it will likely be his last bout with pneumonia, because he will likely not survive the battle.

And so I don't know if he has pneumonia or not, but I'm asking you folks to please pray for him. But infinitely more important than all of that, pray that I hear a good report that my brother John has truly repented and embraced the genuine, the true gospel of Jesus Christ in the scriptures, and that that begins a little revival in his own family with his wife and his daughter and his grandchild and everyone else that knows and loves them.

I would appreciate that very much, and I guess I'm going to go to a break right now, because we still have not heard back from Roger Salter. So don't go away. We'll be back after these messages, and hopefully Roger Salter will be with us.

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Really? Yes. So perhaps whatever happened, well not even perhaps, it was a godsend because something for the better.

Has changed. That's good to know. And it gave me the opportunity, your disconnect gave me the.

Opportunity to ask my listeners for, to give my listeners an urgent prayer request. I just, while on the air with you, received a text from my niece, my oldest brother, John, who is 76 in Justin, Texas, who has cancer and critical stage emphysema and an inoperable aneurysm, once again returned to the hospital and is not doing well.

And so I ask not only you and Maureen and your family and your church family, but also the listeners, to please pray for my brother, not only for a physical healing, but infinitely more important, that he is saved by the precious blood and grace and mercy of Jesus Christ.

Yes. But Roger, why don't we enter now into some of these lessons that you believe we can still learn 466 years after the martyrdom.

Lessons from Martyrdom: Courage, Conviction, and Gospel Fidelity

Of Hugh Latimer? Yes, I'll endeavor to do me to knowledge, for I may thank him next to God for that knowledge. So Bernie had a remarkable prayer. I'd start with a comment by Marcus Lerne, who has written a remarkably, uh, where can these written sermons be found?

Where can they, where were they republished and so forth? They were republished in the 19th as were all of the writings of the reformers, the surviving writings. I can't remember the title of the, um, the series, Chris, and I don't know how many of them have been reprinted in full and are available for people to peruse and ponder.

Um, there probably is some way of finding how these modernize public. I have a tiny book that I was about a dozen of his sermons, but the print and the old English. Oh, I'm going to, uh, do some homework and try to find out,.

Uh, how many, if any of these sermons are now currently available in print. Uh,.

No, go ahead. I've got one small quote that Marcus Lerne gives, uh, from the plan on duty.

Now, one thing I know that we can learn from Latimer and all martyrs of the true Christian faith who died because they refuse to remain silent or recant or repent from the true biblical gospel of the true scriptures of the true Christ, uh, is the willingness to suffer and die for this faith.

Uh, I think this is something that is sorely lacking in the modern world. Um, please don't misunderstand me. I know that there are martyrs out there right now, uh, in places like the Sudan and other places in the world where Christians are being persecuted.

Uh, but, uh, as far as, uh, places like the United Kingdom and the United States, uh, and I hope, I hope I'm not misunderstood about this either. I know that there are, uh, unhealthy people physically and elderly people that needed to be sheltered, uh, and have added precautions for safety in regard to the coronavirus, but the hypersensitivity and fear and terror that was rampant in the church over this, uh, that caused the church to shut down, and there are still churches shut down, not, I'm not even speaking of those that were forced to shut down by their governments, but there are churches that were more than happy to shut down and more than happy to stay, uh, closed.

Um, there seems to be a lack of heroism, a lack of, uh, being diligent to have the gospel proclaimed and the church functioning, administering the ordinances, and declaring the word, and gathering for fellowship at all costs, uh, and please, I understand that there, I'm repeating myself here, but there are legitimate reasons for caution, but I'm talking about to the extremes that the church went to.

Uh, am I making sense here, Roger?

Absolutely. Yes, and it's sad, uh, that, uh, many, so many churches, uh, refused to, uh, push back.

At unrealistic, uh, demands of their governments, and, uh, were seemingly more afraid of their governments than of God himself, but, uh, uh, who knows what we will see in the future ahead that is born out of this whole experience that the globe has gone through.

Uh, so, uh, tell us some more, uh, of these valuable lessons that we should retain and perpetuate throughout, uh, the future to our children and grandchildren, uh, about, uh, that this, the legacy that this dear.

Martyr has left, uh, for all of us. It is with downgrading. Yeah, the, there's not even for most.

Of us, not all of us, but most of us, there's not even a fear of death or a threat of death or physical harm that is looming over us that causes leaders in the church and preachers of the gospel to edit and dilute and, uh, present a message that is not either the true gospel at all, but if, if it contains the true gospel is surrounded by so much candy coating, it can barely, uh, be distinguished from that which, uh, is, is, uh, hiding it.

Uh, there are ministers who are more concerned over numeric growth or maintaining their numeric size of their empires than they are of the souls of those people that fill their buildings. And they're more concerned over that than honoring and obeying God himself, which is infinitely even more important than that.

Uh, yeah, I remember, um, uh, really, I think very insightful and brilliant quote by a pastor, a Presbyterian pastor that I heard on television as a very new believer. He was basically warning people to be, uh, on the lookout for false teachers, to be discerning about those that they watched on TV and listen to the, listen to on the radio and, and whose books they read and so on.

But he said, one of the signs of a false teacher is that they're more interested in yours than in you. In other words, they're more interested in what you possess than they are over your never dying soul.

And, um, there are people who the, the, the priorities they place above honoring God and obeying God and above the eternal, uh, security as it were, uh, of their listeners. Uh, it's, it's a tragedy and it, and I cannot help but think that many, if not most, if not all of.

These men that go to those lengths, they're not even regenerate. You know, the Bible is full of, they never see it. We're going to church. Preacher, I believe, should contemplate and reflect on.

Whether or not what they are preaching from their pulpits, if they were a disciple of Christ in the first century, or if they were one of the apostles, would that message have ever gotten them executed?

They should really, they should really seriously contemplate that, uh, the demands of many Christians or professing Christians, I should say, uh, that we not offend people, that has to be a priority to them, that we not offend them.

And they will, uh, present to you a fictitious Jesus of greeting cards, uh, that would never dare hurt the feelings of anyone. But that's not, that's not the Jesus that is portrayed in the scriptures.

Uh, he, he seemed to have a habit of thinning out the herd, as it were, whenever the crowds that followed him got very large. And he would say very bluntly things that did indeed offend them. And even in, uh, John, uh, chapter six, many of those that followed him, uh, followed him no more.

They turned away and followed him no more. And, uh, in fact, some of the things that Christ spoke boldly that are so offensive are things that we who are Reformed, uh, are the only ones, uh, theologically that present those truths, like, uh, the fact that no one can come to Christ unless, uh, it is given to them by the Father.

Uh. Absolutely. And, uh, we are being told that we have no need to introduce our deep theological Calvinistic doctrines into an evangelism, uh, presentation, uh, because it's too deep and heady and offensive.

Uh, but Jesus.

Didn't think that way. No, I think minions of ministers all got mob upright on within it, looking at it from a human point of view, we're dangling on a thread. Well, actually we have to.

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If you'd like to advertise with us, we would love for you to advertise as long as whatever it is you're promoting is compatible with what we believe. You don't have to believe identically with me, but you need to be promoting something that is at the very least compatible with what I believe.

So send me an email to ChrisArnson at Gmail .com and put advertising in the subject line. Also, folks, as you know, if you listen to the show often enough, you know that I don't want my listeners siphoning money away from their regular giving that they're accustomed to to their own local church in order to give to Iron Sherpa and Zion Radio.

I never want this program to be a reason for people to support their own church less. I always have intended this program to be a blessing to the local church and to the local faithful pastor, not a hindrance in any way.

So please do not punish your church financially by blessing Iron Sherpa and Zion Radio financially. Also, do not put your family in financial jeopardy or peril if you're really struggling to survive by giving to Iron Sherpa and Zion Radio at this time.

Those two things are commands of God in Scripture providing for church and family. Providing for my radio show is obviously not a command of God in Scripture. But if you are financially blessed above and beyond your ability to obey those two commands, you love the show, you have plenty of money in the bank collecting interest or for recreational purposes or what have you, please, if you love the show, help us survive, share some of that money with us.

I can't believe that there are not more people out there who love the show who do have the money to help us because we have between 30 and 40 ,000 people downloading the recordings every single month and only a comparative tiny, tiny handful of those folks give.