WAR

A misfit in the trailer park at night.

A misprint with the sixth sense.

Been sick ever since my brother died of an O .D.

My two cents never made sense.

Either to me or anyone else inside of the sheet fence.

My 9th Smith on my right side.

Cop dot sign and my John Hancock on the dotted line.

Tell me what's the bottom line.

The bottom line is I'm not right.

I'm not left but this elephant won't fight.

There's nothing left but the spotlight.

Hold my pen, you can find me in the moonlight.

Moonlight.

You can say what you want You can say what you want What you want around me.

You can say what you want You can say what you...

I'm whips in the deep end.

And I can't find my assigned seat to sit in.

My theology don't fit in.

Black sheep of the Reformation sheep pen.

To the Reformed.

I'm just another Baptist.

Baptized again.

The bastard child of Anabaptist.

Host to child of Reformation Society, we don't need your education.

Give me a Bible and a bookshelf of dead men.

Cigars, bourbons, and beer cans.

Bow ties, tattoos, and bearded men.

Making Reformation great again.

You can say what you want You can say what you want What you want around...

All right, ladies and gentlemen, welcome to Open Air Theology.

My name is Jeff.

I am one of the pastors at Covenant Reformed Baptist Church in Tullahoma, Tennessee, and I'm here with

the rest of the crew.

I'm going to pass it to my right, maybe your left, who knows?

I am Pastor Braden of Valley Baptist Church in Hagerman, Idaho.

We worship God on a Lord's Day Sundays at 11 a .m.

If you live in the area, we'd love to see you and worship God with one another.

I'm just finishing up with an awesome worship night with a wonderful husband and wife

named Kenny and Claire, and I'm sure we'll talk about them here in a moment.

But just on that note, I'll pass the mic down to the guy below us.

My name is Tom Sheppard.

I'm with Grace Bible Church of Birney.

I'm a member there and a Mysterious Day evangelist and host of the upcoming show, Even If None

podcast.

You're also a co -host of Open Air Theology.

I believe it.

All right, man.

Hallelujah.

Hallowed back.

How y 'all guys been doing?

Busy.

I know we talk quite frequently, but just so the

audience feels like I care about y 'all.

So let me ask you how your day went.

My day was good.

It was quite busy.

Got some work done.

Talked with my pastor a little bit about evangelism.

I had a good conversation with him.

And yeah, just excited about the conference that's getting ready to come up.

The speakers and everything.

I'm just, it's stacked.

I am, I'm stoked.

It's stacked.

Wonderful.

Bryden, y 'all had a singing tonight at your church?

Yeah.

So we typically do a prayer meeting and Bible study on Wednesday.

But this week, Kenny and Claire were traveling through.

And so they came and did a worship night here with our church.

And so we were able to invite a whole bunch of different individuals from other churches to come and worship God with us.

And it was a real blessing.

It was a real, real blessing.

Did they sing the same songs that were at the conference?

A lot of them were the same.

Yeah.

A lot of them were the same, but there was a couple new ones that I had not heard before and some that are going to be out on their new album.

Which if anybody's watching, go check out Kenny and Claire.

I don't know their album names off the top of my head.

Go check them out.

They do great work.

One song, yeah.

It had me in tears.

It was good stuff.

Really good stuff.

Definitely.

Yeah.

But you're kind of like...

Jeff knows it's hard to make me cry.

Yeah.

It's not that hard for Bryden to cry, right?

Like I remember the very first conference, everyone that was speaking, because me and Bryden

sat beside each other, and I'd look at him at every speaker and he would just be gushing.

And I find myself, I was thinking, you know what, I'm more...

Yeah.

I was like, I'm more of a man than he is.

But at the same time, I find myself envying, like because it's really hard for me

to cry, right?

Like there's been two times where me and Bryden have been talking FaceTime.

Yeah.

And like just looking over theology and shed some tears, right?

But like it is very, very hard like for me to cry.

That's right. Yeah. Yeah.

So I was like, yeah, I'm more of a man than he is.

Yeah.

But Kenny and Claire are fantastic.

They did a wonderful job at our last conference.

I mean, just...

Yeah.

I truly believe that they've been flying under the radar and the reformed circles.

And once they, you know, people start realizing how

great and wonderful they are, it's going to be really hard to get them back at our conferences.

Yeah.

I was just going to say that once they hit the scene, it's, yeah, we're going to have to book them a couple of years in

advance.

Yeah, that's right.

Yeah. Yeah.

So tonight we're going to be just, you know, kind of having a conversation about

the next upcoming conference.

But also we want to open up questions for anyone that's listening.

If you have a question concerning the conference, or maybe it could be a theological question we can get to later.

But feel free to drop those in a message, whether

it's on YouTube or Facebook.

We have a...

We'll look at it, check it out, and we won't charge you any money and we'll answer that question.

Okay.

That's right.

Hallelujah.

All right.

So our next conference, the next Open Air Theology conference is

going to be called War, and it's going to be focusing on the

spirit versus the flesh.

So this is sanctification.

And I really wish that I could say I thought of having a conference on sanctification,

but I didn't.

Okay.

So this guy down here below me.

Yeah, that guy, Tom.

He's the one that came up with the idea of having our next conference on sanctification.

And man, I tell you what, it's been really fun and challenging, you know, like just kind of

walking through some of the ideas that we're having with speakers and also with topics and

nailing those down and finding, you know, like looking for the verses for what we're going to be doing next.

And yeah, it's been a joy, man.

It's really challenged me in my study to really focus a lot of my

attention on sanctification.

What is it?

You know, what's the process of it, the progress?

And yeah, it's been really fun.

So the main conference will start February.

This is 2025, February the 20th through the 22nd.

That's the main conference.

We are also having a pre -conference.

This is going to be...

So last year we had a pre -conference, but it was late at night.

This pre -conference is going to be during the day and it's going to be on

evangelism, right?

So we're calling it Evangelism Boot Camp.

And so just to go with the theme of war, we're going to have a day to where there's going to be

some people teaching how to evangelize and some people are talking who

should evangelize and so on and so forth.

And we're going to be doing that on the 19th.

And it's going to be sponsored.

One of the sponsors of it is Hearts for the Lost.

Y 'all know Brian and the crew.

Yeah, I couldn't know.

I was over here trying.

I can't remember.

I had it written down, but I didn't know if I was going to pronounce it correctly.

So thank you.

But yeah, so we're going to be hanging out with Hearts for the Lost, Brian.

And how do you say it again?

De Los Santos.

De Los Santos.

Yes.

De Los Santos.

Sorry, brother.

Yes. Yeah.

We'll have it right by the time the conference comes.

Well, I mean, like whenever we got to name off the speakers for the conference, I'm really going to butcher those, man, especially

the last two.

I'm not going to, you know, whenever you announce Kofi, I can't do the last name.

Sorry, Kofi.

Sorry, brother.

Yeah, you're going to have to, you know, help a southern street boy out when it comes

to that.

And I also want to remind him that I have a speech impediment, right?

So I stutter and all that other stuff.

So I need grace.

You don't have to give these other guys grace.

Give me some grace, okay?

I mean, it took me a while.

You're just better than a bag of hammers, so.

I'll speak to myself, Brayden, not you, bro.

Brayden is just sensitive, man.

You know, he's just sensitive.

It's his hands.

We got to be careful with Brayden.

It's his hands.

Yeah.

All right, so what are y 'all most excited about concerning the conference?

I can tell you what I'm most excited about.

What are y 'all most excited about?

I'm least excited for all the fun that you guys are going to make of me.

Of my small hands.

The thing I'm most excited about is definitely the fellowship that's going to take place there.

I think this conference, the topic that it's on with sanctification and the title of it being war, I think

every Christian there, wherever you are in your walk with Christ, if you're going to be able to come to this conference and

gather something, depending on your personality, you're going to maybe like the intellectual messages more, or

maybe you're a mother that's really seeking on how to be sanctified in your life.

Maybe you want the applicable stuff, right?

There's going to be a message there that should hopefully speak to every person in the audience,

glorifying Christ at the same time, and everybody's going to be able to go home better prepared to live a

Christ -honoring life.

And so I'm really excited for that.

The fellowship is going to be outstanding.

The speakers are going to be wonderful.

The worship, the music that's going to be done is going to be awesome.

The last two years has been some of the best times of my life

as a Christian and with the saints.

It's so cool.

So, so cool.

Yeah, man.

So I go to a lot of conferences, G3 conferences.

I'll go to Shepherd's conference, went to a Puritan conference.

And last year I went to the Open Air Theology Conference, White Calvinism.

And I didn't want to leave.

It was just so much fun.

All the speakers make themselves readily available.

They're walking in the crowd.

They're fellowshipping with all the people, all the people who came to listen to us speak.

And it's unlike any other conference.

The fellowship, the fun that we have with each other, the food, we'll go out.

You know, when we go out to restaurants and stuff like that, everybody goes.

You know, it's not just the speakers.

So it's, it's, it's a bunch of brothers that are, that are cutting up with each other, you know, crying

together and just the fellowship of honoring Christ.

You know, and just the conference being about sanctification, you know, the whole idea was, you know, now that we've learned

about White Calvinism, how God has saved us.

Now, what, you know, how do we, how do we live this Christian life, pleasing to God when we have

still fleshly desires sometimes, you know, that we battled this flesh that, that we are still battling with all the time.

We want to live pleasing with him.

How do we do that?

So this is going to be very practical.

And like you had said, how to, how to apply God's word to our life and live it out so that he would be

glorified in our living.

Yeah, I'm really excited.

Oh, and the speakers, geez, the speakers are incredible.

Yeah, we have some, we have some ringers.

I'm not one of them, but several.

Yeah, to me, man, again, it's, you know, like the, the fellowship, man.

Oh man, it's second to none, man.

Like, like, I don't know, man, to me, it's, it's

kind of like the glimpse of heaven, at least in my mind, right.

You know, like it's all encompassing, right.

You're there with, with your brothers in Christ.

You're worshiping God.

You're singing praises to God.

You're hanging out with, with brothers and sisters in Christ.

Like, it's just so much joy.

Probably the only thing outside of heaven that I think we do that we, we probably will not be doing in

heaven is the arguing and debating and yelling at each other, right.

And brotherly love and making fun of Brazen.

I can't wait for heaven.

So, so, yeah, he's going to have normal hands when he

resurrects.

Look, everybody was given a different thorns in the flesh.

These are mine.

Smoking and drinking with heathens.

Are we allowed to tell them about the lunch break?

What we're going to do on the lunch break?

Are we saving that or are you going to tell them?

We're still trying to figure it out.

So, so here's, yeah, I mean, so on one of the lunch breaks, we're going to have an open air theology live.

We're not sure if we're going to be able to do it in the main sanctuary because, so there's this,

so our church is too small to have another conference because

we grew 60 last year.

And, you know, I think we'll definitely, we'll probably grow another 60 % this year.

And so there's no way that our church could hold us.

And then the place where we had the conference at last year, those dates were already booked.

So we're, so, so with some of the finances that come off of this conference, we're going to

go ahead then and there and book the place that we had this past

conference at for 2026.

But, but this year's conference is going to be at a friend of mine's church.

That's probably three minutes down the road for me.

And it's a pretty good size church.

It should hold, you know, 250, maybe a little more, something like that.

But I don't know the rules on food, right?

I don't know if we're going to be allowed to eat in the sanctuary, which probably not.

I wouldn't think so.

So we cannot have, you know, we can't be on the stage having an open air theology.

And so just finding out, you know, like if we have to have our own booth or something like that, maybe

set one up in the foyer.

But if we do that, I mean, still not everyone, again, not everyone's going to stay anyways,.

Right?

Because it's during lunch break.

And so in order to stay and listen to that and watch it live, you're going to have to bring your lunch

that day.

So, right.

I know that's what I'm going to be doing because don't think I'm not going to be eating.

Okay.

We're going to be having it.

I'm going to be tearing a burrito or something up.

Lots of coffee too.

Yeah.

Lots of coffee.

A ton of coffee was drank last year because, you know, it's, it's a busy conference.

We have, we're having five, five messages the first day.

And you didn't want to miss a single speaker last year.

You will not want to miss a single speaker this year.

Like I'm telling you, if you buy tickets, this conference, you want to be there all.

Three days.

You want to be there during the pre -conference.

That's four days.

Yes.

Four days of including the pre -conference, but you want to be there.

Like this, this is going to be awesome.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

It's every, every one of the messages.

Have, have we.

Now we've announced the speakers,.

Right?

We posted.

Well, we posted the speakers and now, now I got the names written down, but I

don't have the message.

Oh yeah.

And I don't know if I told you, but I spoke with Keith Foskey.

He's yeah.

So the, the message that we assigned to him, he loves it.

I didn't understand his sense of humor.

So, okay.

Way to put blame on.

Understood it.

I understood it.

But when you said, I was like, okay, I'll check with them.

That's the story we go with.

Copy that.

That's great.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I mean, I said it first, so it's gotta be true.

Oh my gosh.

Yeah.

First and foremost, we got, you know, the one and only Brayden Patterson.

Boom.

So this is not an order.

This is not an order.

This is not an order.

Well, this is the order.

Okay.

I mean, if you want to go in the order of speaking, let's do that.

Are we going to announce?

Let's go ahead and announce.

Let's go ahead and announce the topics.

All right, man.

I'm ready to go.

Are you ready for me to read this off to you guys?

Go.

All right.

Hey, you got to do it with passion.

Look, the passion reacher.

I don't want tears, but I do want passion.

Oh my goodness.

Tears are passion, brother.

What are you talking about?

To speak on passion.

We got Claude Ramsey preaching a topical message.

Opening it up.

Law and gospel day one.

That's this topic, law and gospel.

Yeah.

So for those that may not know, he's speaking about the law and gospel distinction.

And so that's going to be a fantastic message.

That's going to be what sets us off and reminds us that it's not the law and our obedience to it that

saves us, but it is purely through the gospel that saves us.

I'm sure.

And I'm really excited to hear Claude preach on that.

Then on day one, after Claude, we have Ryan Denton doing justification

versus.

Sanctification.

Yeah.

Yeah.

He just held up one of his books and I just got this one from him.

Yeah.

So Ryan Denton.

Yeah.

We're very happy to have Ryan Denton coming to the conference and speaking.

He's the only Presbyterian speaking, isn't he?

Yeah.

See, we're including everyone.

I think so.

Wow.

How long now?

Then.

He used to be 1689.

Yeah.

Speaking on what?

So Ryan is speaking on justification versus sanctification.

Man, that's going to be good.

And he's going to leave a 1689 Federalist coming February 2025.

That's right.

We're going to convert him.

He became a Presbyterian, but then he was sanctified at the conference and became a 1689 Federalist.

He's going to have to unbaptize his baby.

So I was actually there when he got to baptize his own son when I was there for

that.

It was cool just to watch him.

So following that, we got none other than Kofi speaking on the freedom of the world.

Boom.

That's all I got to say.

You got to say his last name.

You got to say his last name.

I didn't say it on purpose.

All right.

I just apologize right here, right now.

I repent towards you, but it's Adubo Hen.

Adubo Hen.

I'm just going to say it quickly.

I've learned when I come to biblical names that I don't know how to pronounce.

I just say them quick and keep on moving.

So following Kofi, on day one still, our fourth speaker is going to be Marlon Wilson

speaking on living by faith.

Marlon is a great brother.

Many people haven't heard him preach.

They've only listened to him moderate debates.

Marlon is a guy that when he speaks biblical truth, he's a guy that you want to listen to everything he says.

He has a commanding voice, I think.

Listening to him preach, he does a fantastic job.

Really excited to have Marlon preaching on that topic.

Then finally, finishing us out on day one, we have a gentleman

who many people know as the Holy Nope, but as a brother in Christ, his name is

Austin Keeler, and he is preaching on the work of the law.

Man, Austin preached one of the best sermons that I heard last year.

Man.

I was like, wow.

Austin can flat out preach, son.

Austin can preach.

Yeah.

You want to talk about convicting?

Oh man, he did a great job.

Great job.

Just tough too.

I mean, just strong truth.

He didn't pull any punches.

He didn't water down anything.

No, no.

He'll take that text and hit you right in the mouth with it, son.

He was kind of like the Mike Tyson of the conference last year.

As he preached, it just came out of nowhere.

Like hit you in the side.

Kind of like a sleeper, right?

Because he's really funny on the videos.

He's real quiet in person.

He got behind the pulpit.

It was like, pow, pow.

Wasn't too bad.

That's what I'm saying.

Yeah.

And then after, so day two.

So day two starts up with none other as our first speaker on day two is

Tom Shepard.

What's your topic?

I'll let you introduce your topic.

What is the title of your topic, Tom?

What is my topic?

It's, I don't know.

What is it?

Conquering Through Christ.

Conquering Through Christ.

I better remember that.

Write that down, Tom.

We done changed the name some, right?

Yeah, we have.

So it was going to be Sanctification Overcoming Sin.

I don't even know the name of mine, to be honest with you.

I just know the title.

Conquering Through Christ.

I'm not going to give the text yet, but yeah, it'll be good.

And that was actually going to be a message that I wanted.

Right.

But Tom, he just took it from me.

Okay.

Yeah.

I think there was going to be a little bit conflicting.

A little bit of overlap.

Yeah.

So we kind of merged it.

Yeah.

Yeah.

And then we have Don't Be a Jerk, The Man, The

Myth, The Legend, Michael Schultz.

Doc.

The 99 % Moment.

Yeah.

Hey, I thought you said we was only going to have one Presbyterian.

Oh, dude.

Yeah, we're going to have to get him and Ryan Ditton in the same room together.

They could unite in the classic covenantalism.

Nah, dude.

No, we need to keep them separate so we can get them to 1689 federalism.

We don't need them to usually unite.

That would be bad.

But yeah, he is 99 % all male.

It's a real blessing to have him.

And his topic is marriage.

I'm telling you what, have you ever seen a dog who

really wants to go chase a rabbit or something like

that?

He sees it immediately.

His attention is to it.

He's going to go get it no matter what.

Right.

Like a dog trying to go get meat or something like that.

That was Michael Schultz.

When we said marriage was one of the topics.

Oh man, I don't think I've seen a message that much that quickly.

He was like, that's mine.

That's mine.

That's mine.

I'm so excited.

I want it.

I call it.

He's going to do a great job.

He already had it done.

Yeah, he already has it done.

Yeah.

He'll probably preach it a hundred times before he gets there.

It should be good then.

We should change it up.

He probably won't even have to take notes.

He'll have it all memorized.

This is true.

And no doubt.

He's going to be preaching in a three -piece suit, making it look good.

Following that.

Could you just answer a question real quick before you do that?

So Jerry is asking the price for the pre

-conference and that's $35 for the pre -conference.

And we're talking, it's not just one or two hours.

We're talking what?

Four or five hours?

Six?

It's going to be six hours.

Six hours for the pre -conference.

It's going to be really good.

And it's going to be intense training

and just pouring into people concerning evangelism.

Now, correct me if I'm wrong.

Are we not going out that night?

Are we doing open air?

Yeah, we're going to do open air preaching that night.

So it's the bootcamp and then going to war.

Yeah.

So you get to learn about it.

Then you get to see it and you get to practice it.

It's going to be awesome.

And then you get to take that home after the conference, back to your own church, back to your own

street, back to your own neighborhood and keep on going.

Hopefully it's something that's really edifying to you guys.

Michael Schultz did say he finished his message on marriage in February

25th, 2023.

The moment we talked about it.

No, that was last year.

Oh, good Lord.

I freaking love Michael.

So following Michael then, man, this is going to be a good one.

We got Keith Foskey, your Calvinist.

Yes.

Your Calvinist.

He's nice.

He's nice.

He's a nice Calvinist.

I know Michael has a long -.

He's not like other Calvinists because he's nice.

I don't think Keith was ever in cage stage.

I keep interrupting you, but I don't think he was ever a cage stage Calvinist.

He was always nice.

Well, it's because he worked at the Double Deuce and Dalton told him to be nice.

Yeah.

Fair enough.

Yeah.

So Keith has a long pedigree of titles that a lot of people don't know.

He is a gun instructor.

He is a martial artist.

He is a comedian.

He just does it all.

He is the king of millennialists.

Yes.

He is the king of all millennials.

We are the Vikings of all millennialism, but he is the king.

So that's pretty cool.

But he is giving a topical message on parenting.

So sanctification within parenting.

What does that look like?

What does that teach us?

All that kind of stuff.

I'm really excited.

I think that's going to be I think both Michael with marriage and Keith with parenting is going to be very

applicable messages that everybody at that conference, for the most part, should be able to resonate with.

Yeah.

Now, for our fourth speaker on day two, we got none other

than the G3 gentleman himself, Virgil Walker.

Man.

Yeah, that is awesome.

So you want to talk about a good intellectual message that he's going to knock it out of the park, I think.

And so -.

Tell him what it is.

I can't wait.

Tell him, Brayden.

It's Christians in a woke culture.

Christians in a woke culture.

He's going to do a fantastic job.

He's going to be talking to us how we can be sanctified in these

times.

These times that we find ourselves in.

And then this woke gender confusion, like all confusion, right?

This battle against who we are as Christians.

Man, it's going to be really good.

It's going to be good.

So I can think of none other better to speak on it than -.

Oh, yeah.

He's going to do good.

So day two, he's going to be the last message given.

However, we're still working on all this.

But as of right now, we're planning on a Q &A moment on day two.

So be prepared for that.

That should be a really good time.

The last two Q &As that we've done in front of people at the last two conferences was fantastic.

A real blessing to sit down with those others up there.

Day three, though.

Day three.

Here's the thing.

It doesn't stop.

It's just -.

No, they're all heavy hitters.

Except for the first speaker on day three.

Yeah.

Day three, man, starts off rough.

We got the Bible rebinding, stuttering, Tennessee Knight himself, Jeffrey

Rice.

From the trailer park.

From the trailer park.

Hallelujah, hallelujah.

Black sheep gang leader, Jeff Rice.

That's right.

That's right.

1689, maybe.

His topic is -.

Jeff, you want to say your topic?

No, you forgot it.

I'll tell you.

It's -.

I know that it's just so, but I just don't -.

Because it changed.

The name changed.

Well, let me tell you what your topic is.

It's the work of the church.

Work of the church.

The work of the church.

Don't give him the text yet.

This is going to be good.

It's going to be good.

Go ahead, Jeff.

We're going to be discussing the means of grace.

The means of grace.

What is God using to grow you in holiness?

Right.

Being conformed to that perfect image of Christ.

You don't want to miss it.

Yeah.

Amen, dude.

Love it.

So following Jeff, we have no other than

the small -handed reform ex -mormon.

I feel weird introducing myself.

Brayden Patterson.

I'm excited for this.

Tell them what you're preaching on.

Man, so this has been something that's been on my mind preaching through the book of Job here recently and just

something that I'm so excited for.

But my title is sovereignty.

But the gist of what that's talking about is us as clay being shaped

by our potter.

And that's sanctification.

That's being conformed to the image of Christ and how that's done with God

designing us for our end purpose.

And that is to be more like Christ.

And I'm so excited to give a message on that.

It's not even funny.

Yeah, he causes all things to work together for the good of those that believe in him.

So following that, we have, man, I'm so excited for this one, guys.

We still have two more.

Two more.

Listen, day three, our third speaker, I got to meet him

this last year at the Y -Calvinism.

Conference.

He's like my theological hero.

Seriously, if I had the opportunity of hanging out with him or John Calvin, I would pick this guy

over John Calvin every single day.

Well, I would too because Calvin would kill you.

And Calvin's wrong on a lot of things.

This guy, though, he's 100 % right all the time.

I got the straight sniper.

I don't know what title to give him.

Dr. Samuel Waldron tells you the way it is.

Man, I'm so excited for Sam Waldron.

I've been so blessed by Sam.

I think out of anyone on this list, Sam is somebody that I line up almost 100 with

on theology.

And I've just been so blessed by him.

Such a good topic.

Yep.

So his topic is confessional sanctification.

I wonder who thought of that topic.

Who did?

Some 1689 guy, I think.

Probably.

Yeah.

Confessional.

Yours truly, the black sheep.

If you haven't listened to Samuel Waldron's message from the white Calvinism, man, he hit

on confessional free will, confessional Calvinism.

It was fantastic.

Fantastic.

I mean.

Which sparks the name of the topic we gave him this year, confessional sanctification.

He knows the confession.

The 1689 better than I'm just going to say it better than anyone else.

I think he does a great job.

So I'm really excited to hang out with Sam again.

Real blessing.

Following that, our last speaker of the conference, as far as a message goes.

Oh, man, man.

Straight fire, man.

Man, straight fire.

Listen, I wish.

This guy can preach.

Oh, man.

Just.

We might be Pentecostal after this, guys.

Hensworth Jonas.

Wow.

Man, I'm telling you what.

So I went to the G3 conference just this past G3 conference, the reformation conference,

and Paul Washer was supposed to be there.

And he had health problems and everything, so he wasn't able to be there.

And so, you know, we're looking on the website.

Who's all going to be speaking?

And I see this guy out there.

I was like, who's who's Hensworth Jonas?

I never even heard of him.

Didn't know what he was going to be like.

So matter of fact, we were thinking going to lunch the time that he was going to be preaching at the G3.

Oh, man, I was so blessed.

It was it was one of the best messages I've heard.

He was so encouraging.

Straight fire preaches truth.

And I mean, just encouraging.

I mean, everybody was on their feet.

Everybody was, you know, hallelujah.

He's like, you're sounding like my people.

It was just awesome.

It was great.

So his topic is glorification.

So we want to end the mess, all the messages with this final one, because what is the goal or what

is the end of sanctification?

And that is glorification.

So following this, we're going to have a debate and it's going to be done

by Jeremiah Nortier.

Yes, Jeremiah Nortier.

Yeah, he's still looking for an opponent.

Yes.

So as of right now, the plan is to have him debate and maybe this is a good time to announce if anybody

watches this that knows somebody that can they can reach out to Jeremiah and give him some suggestions.

Jeremiah is also searching himself, but he is.

We're going to try to set up a debate with him versus a Church of Christ gentleman

with the topic being baptismal regeneration,.

Sanctification.

Yeah.

If you haven't heard Jeremiah debate, you're in for a treat.

As a matter of fact, I would.

I would encourage you to go to YouTube and look and type in the apologetic dog.

He's got a lot of stuff on there.

If you haven't checked him out, if you haven't liked this page, like and follow him.

Phenomenal brother, 1689 Federalist.

Just someone that you can hang out with.

You know, he's just a really good guy, right?

He's not too big for his britches.

The man can debate.

And so does he have those churches of Christ like.

I'm searching like just, you know, but they don't know what to do with them, right?

He studied their position so well, they have no real answers for him.

He's he eats them alive.

Yeah, he's a great expositor, too.

I mean, he sticks to the text verse by verse explaining the text.

Yeah, he did a great job at the message last or this last conference.

Listen, each one of these speakers are men that are unbending

to truth.

They love God.

They want to tell the world about God.

And they want to see everybody that comes to this conference, every Christian period to become more like Christ.

They are heralders of the good news.

And you were please consider buying a ticket.

You are going to be blessed.

You really are.

It's going to be a wonderful time.

I'm so excited to be able to hang out with these two other gentlemen here to see all the speakers and then to see everybody that buys a ticket.

It's going to be a blessing, a fellowship with everybody.

Yeah, it really is.

I can't wait for it.

Yeah.

And so the pre.

Well.

Let me see.

Yeah, so tickets go on sale tomorrow.

All right.

The early bird tickets will run from tomorrow through

to September.

I believe it is.

All right.

And that's going to be $125 for three days.

The pre conference is $35.

No, hold on.

That's not right.

A hundred.

Yeah, excuse me.

Yes.

A hundred dollars.

Forgive me.

The early bird is $100, and that'll go from starting tomorrow

through to September.

From September to January will be the standard price of $125.

If you wait until January or later to buy your ticket, it's

going to go up an extra $25.

So it's going to be $150 after January.

Please don't wait till January.

Yeah, really?

$100 for this conference.

Jump on it.

Jump on this conference.

Three days.

Like this is going to be.

I'm telling you, listen to me.

You think I'm playing.

I wish that we can just interview every person that came to these conferences.

It's the best conference out there.

I'm telling you, hands down.

The fellowship is second to none.

Right.

We get plenty of time for fellowship.

I mean, it is just phenomenal.

It's one big family.

It really is.

Yeah, one big family.

And I would like to also say the reason.

In the past, we've gotten a lot of questions saying, why would you charge for a conference?

I hope people realize that all these speakers that are coming are leaving their families,

traveling on their own expense to come to this conference and to present a message.

Part of the reason of the ticket value is to pay for this place that we're going to

be at, to pay for the people that are helping with the music, and to also be able to.

A worker is worthy of his wage.

We're wanting to be able to help these men get from their place to the conference and back

and support them in that way.

So that's the reason of the price.

We want to see you there.

We really do.

And if I could just add.

So the building that we had last year was $800 a day.

And I thought that was expensive.

So whenever I found out we couldn't get that building, I went and looked at another building in Manchester, Tennessee, which

is like 20 minutes away from where I am right now.

And from on the weekday, they charge $1 ,800 a

day.

Saturday, they charge $2 ,400 for one day.

Are you hearing me?

Whenever these conferences are charging money, listen, it's because they're having to pay a buttload of money

so that Christians can gather together in

fellowship and listen to good speaking.

Good theological preaching taking place.

I hate to even think about how much G3

and all these other ones are having to spend to house 8 ,000 people.

I know for a fact that the national conference last year that they had in Atlanta, that they had

to rent a tent to feed everybody so everybody could go and eat.

The tent was $100 ,000, just the tent.

$100 ,000, no joke.

That came straight from John Spice.

So yeah.

Hey guys, keep on chatting.

I got to go plug in my computer.

It's running low on battery and I don't want to lose you.

So I'm going to mute my mic and my camera real fast.

I'll be right back though.

Yeah, but for a hundred bucks, I mean, we really can't go wrong for this conference.

The quality of the speakers that are going to be there, we all need a place to stay.

We all need to rent a car or drive there.

Travel expenses, you guys, $100 is a deal.

You can't beat it.

Plus there's going to be giveaways, right?

Yeah, I'm going to be giving away another Bible, kind of similar to this, the Isaiah line.

And I'm thinking about giving away a Bible with a leather preaching

because I preach from this leather boater, right?

Yeah, so I preach from one of these.

And so I think I'm going to give away something similar to this, a preaching Bible with a

preaching notebook.

Yeah, that'll be awesome.

And there's definitely going to be some more goodies coming up when we come.

Some books, some comments.

Hopefully we can get a hold of some more commentaries.

I know last year, I think we gave away three or four commentary sets.

Yeah, it was really good.

And that was due to Michael Schultz.

So thank you, Michael, for that.

Yeah, it's going to be great.

316 Publishing reached out to me and gave us some giveaways to give away.

And that's the second year in a row that they've donated stuff to us to give away.

There'll be a lot of merch.

Greg Moore is hosting.

We didn't mention Greg.

Oh, yeah.

How can I forget Greg, man?

Greg Mooring from Deadman Walking Podcast.

He's going to be the host.

He'll be the one entertaining and introducing each

speaker.

So it's going to be phenomenal.

I'm trying to make sure I didn't miss anyone.

Again, Hearts for the Lost are going to be teaming up with us to host

the pre -conference.

It's going to be good, man.

I believe Mark Goodson is coming down to bring some of his guys to listen to the conference,.

Too, correct?

And who is he with?

Even if none, the film documentary and stuff like that.

Yeah, he'll have a booth.

And I think he's going to be on -site filming for the documentary that's coming

up.

And probably going to be out there whenever we go out street preaching, filming that as well, like getting some

street preaching video down.

Yeah, there's going to be a lot of merch there, too.

I'll probably give away some t -shirts.

Like you see right here, I got this new shirt right here.

Jesus came for pimps and prostitutes.

Yeah.

For those of you that don't know, this is the new song that me and my co -elder and a couple other people are working

on.

Yeah.

When's that going to be out?

Hopefully within a few months, man.

It's really hard because his schedule and my schedule, and then we got some other people singing on it and trying to get

everything lined up.

I already laid down my lyrics, and he's got the beat and everything down.

It's going to be good, man.

It's going to be really good.

Hopefully, everyone will want to check that out.

Because my biggest problem with Christian rap is that it's not Christian and it's not rap.

You know what I'm saying?

It's kind of like grape nuts, right?

It's not grape, and it's not nuts.

Right.

The main thing with me, just because you can make words rhyme, don't mean anything to me.

I actually grew up in the hood.

I signed a contract when I was 14 with Slit Your Wrist Productions, which was an underground record label.

I'm 14 years old.

I'm hanging out with all these big giant men.

You know what I'm saying?

For those of you who know, when I was 14, I got beat into a gang.

And at 15, I was running a gang like I was just a hellion, the heathens of heath.

But when it comes to rapping, you

got to have something behind your lyrics.

It's not about just saying the words.

You have to have lived the words that you say.

And if you haven't, people can tell, right?

Everything that I saw.

So now as a Christian, for the longest, I just got out of rapping and stuff like that.

And so here lately, me and my elder, other elder, we're just going over and just having fun with it.

But everything that I'm writing about, it's just stuff that I've actually, it's things that I live.

I'm not rapping about something that I haven't lived or I'm not living.

Yeah.

You know, the other thing I like about the people that are preaching at this conference is it's not a celebrity

thing.

Nobody's trying to be celebrity.

Everybody is real.

Everybody's down to earth.

Everybody understands what it's like to battle with sin.

Everybody understands what it's like to wage this war against our flesh, to

kill sin and live for Christ.

And I think that's the most exciting thing about the conference, that these sermons are going to be so practical to live

pleasing to God, regardless of the circumstances that we're going through, that we strive for holiness so

that our Savior would be pleased with our living.

And it's, man, I can't think of a better topic than this.

And I'm glad you guys, it was going to be sanctification.

I'm glad you guys changed it to war because it's a battle.

It truly is a battle.

And we get it.

We get it.

So we're excited.

Yeah, I was just thumbing over everything and that's what came to me, right?

Because I was like, what is sanctification?

And I said, well, it's the spirit versus the flesh, right?

Because like right now, as we stand before God as Christians, like what, like right now, I am

positionally righteous before God.

And that doesn't change me.

Right.

Yeah, that, yeah, that doesn't change.

God sees me right now as He is righteous.

That's right.

However, when I see me, I see

my sin, right?

I still carry this flesh.

And that's why at the resurrection, I will see myself as He sees me.

And that is righteous.

So right now there's a war that's raging within me, right?

And it's the spirit versus the flesh.

And so my main focus for this, you

know, because you always hear people say, look to Christ.

I'm going to show y 'all in my message how it's, we look to Christ through

the means of grace.

And this is what God's using.

Don't reveal too much.

I'm not going to give it all away.

I'm not going to give it all away.

Again, I'm partializing it for myself too as I'm thinking about it.

But that's the main, I just found out what I was preaching, right?

But that's the main thing about it all, right?

Like everyone, like you hear it all the time, look to Christ, look to Christ.

Okay, what does that look like?

Yeah.

And I don't think that's just for my message.

I think that's for all the messages, right?

We're going to be telling you how, how it is that we're

sanctified, how it is that we fight against this flesh.

Right.

Because if we're honest, some days this right here, it wins,

right?

Am I the only one that loses the battle sometimes?

Right.

And there's reasons for that.

There's reasons for that.

And so we're going to think of strategies about, you know, I think of Thomas Brooks's book,

Precious Remedies Against Satan's Devices, you know, and where the book, the premise behind the book

is Satan presents the hook and he hides the bait, you know, and we're all, you know, like the hymn

says, we're all prone to wander.

And so we got to fight for this.

We have to be about mortification of sin.

We have to, and then put off the flesh and then put on Christ.

And that's as much as I'm going to say before I get into my message.

Yeah, it's so easy to, you know, like when you're talking about sanctification to

basically rain on everyone's parade.

Right.

Because I mean, it's that same goal.

Right.

Like every one of us, we want to live holy.

Like God has given us, like in the New Testament, there's positive laws given to us.

Samuel Rinehan calls them plus laws, right?

And, you know, things given to us by Christ, such as follow him, make disciples, like these are

things that are given to us.

Right.

And so in these plus laws, these positive laws, they're

little nuggets that help us in our sanctification.

Right.

And so I'm telling you what, like, this is one conference you're not going to want to miss.

No.

Um, yeah.

How do we live out our Christian walk?

How are we to live in holiness?

How is it that we are to look to Christ?

That's right.

How does a person follow him?

Yeah.

These questions and more will be answered.

Yeah, especially for the new Christian.

You know, now that God has declared you righteous, now that you've come to Christ, you've repented of your sins, you have faith

to believe and you're washed by the blood.

Now what?

Now what do we do?

Yeah, you know, that's a good point, Tom.

You know, like you might be watching this right now and you're a seasoned Christian, but you might know someone who just became

a Christian.

My dear brother, my dear sister, grab that Christian by the hand, buy them a ticket to this conference and come with

them.

Yeah.

That's right.

This will be good.

That's going to be good.

All right.

Well, no one has any kind of theological question.

I think we've beat the horse.

You don't have anything else you want to add?

When are the tickets going to be ready to be sold?

Should be up tomorrow.

Now the website won't be up tomorrow.

We're still working on the website, but the link to Eventbrite will be posted

tomorrow.

The website should be up no later than Monday.

I'm thinking it's really hard to get everything together, especially when you run a business, got kids running around

acting crazy and a hundred other things that we got going on.

And I would also encourage somebody, just in case, if there's somebody out there that's doing devious things in the background,

only click on the link that's on Jeff Rice's page and or are on one of our threes and

buy the ticket from there for the first, just in case if somebody's listening and goes and create something to try to fool people.

You know what I mean?

Yeah.

Yeah.

And share the conference.

Share the -.

Share it.

You guys see it, make it available for everybody to come.

Yeah, definitely.

Whenever you see us share something, don't just like it, share it.

Help us get the word out.

I'm telling you, this conference is going to be a conference that people need to hear.

I need it.

Yeah.

Like, listen, I'm going to be on the front row, front row.

Baptist, baby.

And he's going to be crying, dude.

It's going to be crazy.

I tell you what, if I'm crying, you better be crying.

Yeah, that's my goal.

Videotaping if you're crying.

My goal is to make Jeff cry.

We can do that in a lot of different ways, Tom.

Yeah, I didn't say how you can do it.

Good luck, gentlemen.

I mean, I don't know how many people will take it or whoop them, but we'll find enough.

Well, so when I was taking Croft McGraw, they surround you with 20 people.

Yeah.

I've been surrounded by 20 people.

Yeah.

Well, we got Foskey, you know.

I'm going to tell you, I take Foskey out.

So yeah, after day three, our final thing is going to be Keith Foskey versus Jeff Rice.

Throw down.

His against my MMA.

His.

I'm going to run back and choke him.

I'm telling you, you guys don't want to miss this.

You just don't want to miss this.

This is going to be good stuff.

Listen, man, this has just brought up that last guy.

What was that guy's name that stayed at the house with us with that fake martial arts?

What was his name?

Oh, dude, don't say that.

Aaron Summers.

Aaron.

He's fantastic, but I'm sorry, man.

Don't tell me you took ninjutsu.

That's Ninja Turtle stuff, man.

Dude.

And tell me that you could fight, bro.

If they don't use it in UFC, it's fake.

OK.

I love Capoeira, but Capoeira doesn't work in a fight.

All right.

It doesn't work.

So we're all sitting around, hanging out, making fun of each other, joking, talking about

dispensationalism and how it's not biblical.

I'm just kidding.

We're just sitting around.

I'm just joking because we had several dispensationalists there, and so we were all just joking back and forth.

And all of a sudden, in the middle of it, Aaron and Jeff start

going at it.

No, no, he just kept saying how it was great.

And I was like, dude, you wouldn't know what to do if I'd hit you in the mouth.

He was like, stand up.

I would let you hit me in the mouth so I could sneak around you.

I was like, what is going on right now?

Then Foskey stood up.

And then at some point—.

No, him and Foskey were just like, grab my arm.

No, my other arm.

Your other arm.

Hold me right here now.

If you hold me right here—.

That's the Poe and Dynamite.

Yeah, dude, that's Idaho right there.

That's just a couple miles away from where I live, dude.

I know Tina.

Tina the Llama.

Yeah, Tina, you good lord?

Come get your dinner.

Come get your ham.

I got the cobra on you.

You see those mountains over there?

I mean, I actually did take a—I took kung fu called Praying Mantis.

Yeah, that's what it was.

You were doing the Praying Mantis in the house.

No, I didn't do the Praying—well, no, I was showing them the dance, because Praying Mantis is not—it's not a fight in art.

That's what I was trying to tell them.

Kung fu is not something that you would use in MMA, but kung fu can

help your MMA.

So the Praying Mantis just kind of give a—.

So the main focus—I'm looking weird right here, but it's to get your elbows in.

So you have to make your arms look like a Praying Mantis, and then the kung fu, it's a form of a dance, right?

But after I took it and I went back to boxing, it taught me how to keep my elbows

more tight to my body.

And so my boxing got a lot better after I took kung fu.

So if anybody ever challenges you with the Praying Mantis, you come at them with the scorpion and just come over right over the top.

Yeah, I'm not as flexible as I used to be.

I'll just give them a one -two, maybe a snap hook.

As we were having this conversation at this last year's conference, all of a sudden, magic tricks were being performed

that I still don't know how they were done.

Oh, yeah.

Oh, yeah, that day was—.

Yeah, I know.

Yeah, that right there was demonic a little bit.

That was crazy.

You remember he did the thing with his skin?

Yes!

Yeah. I still don't know how to do that.

Exorcist stuff.

Yeah, it was you that grabbed him.

He's like, man, that's demonic.

Yeah, it was like help on his arm or whatever it was.

It was weird.

It was like a number or something, wasn't it?

Yeah, I don't know.

Just thinking of a number, and then you let go, and the number was on his hand or his arm or something.

Yeah.

It was weird, man.

He's a great guy, but he's not a fighter, so.

Yeah.

You know what?

We need to make sure Aaron comes to do some magic tricks.

I don't know about that.

It'd scare people off.

Yeah, that's true.

Don't do the exorcist one, Aaron.

A lot of scary stuff.

Yeah.

Anyways, we're going to have Braden Patterson, Tom Shepard, Sam Waldron, yours truly, Claude

Ramsey, Keith Foskey, Austin Keller, Virgil Walker, Ryan Dittin, Marlon Wilson,

Hensworth Jones, and Kofi, I don't know.

You got to do it, Sam.

Hosted by Greg Moore, Jeremiah Nortier.

Doing the debate with, we don't know yet, but it's going to be good.

Kenny and Claire doing the music.

Kenny and Claire doing the music.

And a pre -evangelism show with Hearts of the Lost.

Yeah, Hearts of the Lost.

That's right.

It's going to be good, man.

And I think, if I'm not mistaken, us three are going to give a short message

concerning evangelism that day.

Like, it's going to be good.

You do not want to miss it.

And you're going to be in my stomping grounds, I'm telling you.

It's going to be good.

Let's go, let's go.

So Friday night, we'll be hanging out at the Cigar Shop.

What about Thursday night?

We're going to be evangelizing.

I don't know about them nights.

I know Saturday, after the conference, we're going to go out and evangelize them.

Right.

What about after evangelism?

Cigars.

Cigars.

Well, no, Cigar Shop closes at 10.

But we can be outside and smoke.

Yeah.

It depends on how cold it is.

It really does.

And if there's a tornado happening.

Yeah, if there's a tornado happening, we're definitely standing outside.

Yeah.

Yeah.

No.

You have to watch it.

No, we're going to be smoking cigars at the Cigar Lounge.

I mean, who knows?

We all could be raptured right there in Tullahoma.

This is true.

Hey.

Be a little freaky.

Raptured and then land back down on your broken knees.

That would hurt so bad.

Bodies land by mother nature.

Mother nature on a Christian podcast.

My fault. Listen.

I'm preaching through Job.

God is Lord over all the tornadoes.

Let me be clear about that.

Yeah, I'm over here.

I'm over here.

This guy is already a knock.

I'm over here thinking, you know what?

If God has predetermined me to die by drowning, I'm not going to die on an earthquake.

Listen.

Yeah, that's true.

I don't even know what to say to you guys right now.

That's why I'm not.

Listen, my family be tripping out.

There'd be like tornadoes.

And here's the sirens.

I'm outside trying to see if I can see.

And they're like, get in here.

You're going to kill yourself.

And I'm like.

Listen.

Have you written?

Have you ridden a motorcycle pretty fast in the past?

Have you been on a motorcycle very much?

No, I had my e -bike.

Let me look.

Okay.

Imagine you're on your e -bike.

You're going 45 miles per hour.

And all of a sudden, there's potatoes all across the road.

Are you going to grip onto the handlebars a little tight?

You're going to grip on pretty tight and try not to hit the potatoes.

Yeah, that's the hazards I deal with.

I don't deal with tornadoes, Jeff.

He deals with flying taters.

I deal with problems.

Listen.

One of the greatest experiences I had was driving down the road and watching four or five tornadoes come down

from the sky onto the ground and across like a football field away from me.

It was fantastic.

I have never seen a tornado.

I've seen Mormon crickets.

And those are.

I was scared of a Mormon cricket.

That's what I'm saying.

I had a freaking cicada.

I was turning.

I was turning onto a main highway.

Wilson Highway today.

I'm a window down.

A cicada flew in and hit me.

Scared of crap.

I don't know about Rick.

I was freaking out, man.

I was out bear hunting the other day, dude.

Seriously, the whole field.

It looked like it was moving as these Mormon crickets are just like, just jumping along, dude.

That's what I'm saying.

All I'm saying is I've never seen a tornado, so that would freak me out.

Just as much as you seeing potatoes on the roadway as you're riding your e -bike would freak you out.

It's the same thing.

Just different hazards in different states.

Tornado or e -bike with potatoes.

Yes.

It's a great, you know, I mean, we're all millennial, but that's, I'm millennial, but that's a lot of symbolism right there.

Yeah.

Now tell everybody that's watching, why, why do they call them Mormon crickets?

Well, so I think the legit history of them.

So I'll tell you the funny reason that I think everybody here in Idaho thinks is because they populate like

crazy.

They're pesks and they just, they, they, they destroy everything that they come to.

And they literally, they, they like just, they infest everything.

It just covers.

Do they travel in twos?

They travel, they travel in multitudes, dude.

And then, then also.

They have little badges right here.

Listen guys, I didn't, I didn't know the history.

Well, I knew I learned it when I was LDS, but I forgot all about it until somebody else told me the other day about it.

I was like, Oh, I remember learning that.

Mormons and crickets are technically truly called Mormon crickets because a long time ago.

Yes.

Let me go there.

So years ago they had a, it was almost like the locust plagues.

They came and ate all their fields of all their food.

And so they were, they were really worried.

And so supposedly they prayed and all of a sudden these seagulls came and they called them the Mormon

brigade brigade and the seagulls ate all the Mormon crickets.

So that's, that's some terminology over here on the West coast.

Just Joseph Smith, man.

He, he's nutty out there, man.

Look, yeah.

Crazy dude.

Wow.

Hey, are you by chance related to Brigham Young?

Cause it seems like all the Mormons are.

I am. Yeah.

It's not something to be, it's not that cool because when you consider you had 70 wives, that's not a big, it's not a pretty

big.

Are you serious?

You do have some, really?

Is that right?

Yeah.

He was a Mormon of Mormons, man.

I'm telling you.

You're a spirit child of.

Yeah.

I got his, I got his gift of prophecy.

It's pretty cool.

I got his gift of failed prophecies.

So that, that's, that's one line.

My other side of my family, my great, great, great, great grandpa converted to a Mormon because he was

stubborn.

That's the reason he became a Mormon.

It's, it's a sad story, dude.

Yeah.

He hated his neighbor.

So the story goes that my, my great, great, great, great grandpa at it, but he hated his neighbor and his

neighbor one day came over and knocked on his door and said, Hey, I'm coming to tell you not to

open your door to these Mormon missionaries that are coming around because they're yada yada and goes down the whole list of why they're wrong.

I'm saying that neighbor was doing a very loving thing, right?

Well, my great, great, great, great grandpappy hated his neighbor so much that he had let the

Mormon missionaries come into his house.

He walked them over to the fence, let them stand on a soapbox

and teach looking at the neighbor.

And so because of that, his children, he, the, my great, great, great, great grandpappy never became a Mormon, but his children did.

And that's what one line of my family became LDS through was through the spite.

Yeah.

I'll tell you, we, we see a lot of Jehovah's witnesses out here and I mean, they, they're just miserable people.

I mean, they really are.

They come out there, they don't need any more and they come out with their literature stands and everything.

But you think about if, if, if I was an elect, if I was, you know, and I had to get to choose my religion,

witnesses would not be the one.

I mean, think about it.

144 ,000 people are going to be saved.

7 billion people on the planet, not including all the rest of them that lived before us.

Slim chance, you know, I'd go the God route.

I could see me as a Scientologist.

Nice to poor.

I mean, we're all too poor for Scientology.

Yeah.

Yeah, that's true.

I can see Tom though, becoming like a rich man's religion.

I could see him being one of the celebrity Scientology people though.

I've witnessed to a lot of Scientologists and I've witnessed to a lot of Mormon, Mormons and Jehovah's witnesses.

When I was working for Don Kennedy roofing, like a lot of the people there were Jehovah's witnesses.

So in the Jehovah's witnesses, if you have a great job, you're, you look, you're looked down upon.

Like they want all their members to have, like to be working class, kind of,

you know, roofing, plumbers, so on and so forth.

Right.

Like they just look down upon anyone who, who's financially stable.

And for the most part, all of them are drunkards.

Like they, they, they get down with some beer and not in the reformed way.

Like a reformed person, Christian will, will have a beer, you know, fellowship with their.

Friends.

I'm talking about straight alcoholics, right.

Drinking themselves till they pass out.

Sick stuff.

Yeah.

Yeah.

You know, you have to with that, that, that, that, that, that religion, right.

I've never met a Scientologist.

So when I first started doing evangelism, I was doing most of my evangelism in Hendersonville, Tennessee.

And these people could buy and trade my, but I'm going to try the park, get out there, just preaching the gospel

to him.

Right.

And, and out there, there was a ton, a ton of, of Scientologists.

What do you think is the most absurd cult that you've ever heard of?

So sub -Christian cult, I would say would probably be way international.

Right.

Because they're very similar because I would identify them as a Pentecostal Jehovah witness.

So it's kind of like a mixed breed and they focus on house churches and stuff like

that.

Just because I went to a service that they had, I was invited to one and I didn't know what

they were like.

I was just invited to a Bible study and I just went and, and, and, and I, and I told them, I said, man, y

'all once I started digging and say, man, y 'all are like, if Jehovah's witnesses and Pentecostals got together,

here comes a baby.

Yeah.

It was weird.

That sounds weird.

But, but of course I went to a Mormon church for a long time as well, a ward.

And, and, and like, I had the women there were kind of like telling me like, like, like

you need you a Mormon woman.

And I'm like, I don't know about all that.

Like they were, were trying to seduce me into the religion now.

So, so, so, so yeah, so let me, so let me say this.

I would say the most demonic religion there is, I would have to say it's Mormonism because

I believe that there is yeah, over everything, because here's why there, there is a demonic

spirit in Mormonism that, that draws you to it.

Like if you, like, even if you just start studying it for the purpose of apologetics,

if you pay attention, there's something in it that tries to draw you to it.

Well, yeah.

I mean, when you can be your own God and, and, and, and one day have spirit children and have your own world,

I mean, it's, it's straight up, it's straight up satanic.

There is definitely a demonic force in it that like, it, it

pulls hard, pulls hard.

Intellectually makes no sense.

It's all, it's garbage intellectually.

Like trust your feelings and it's dangerous.

It's crazy.

Yeah.

And they're all demonic, of course, but yeah, there's some, yeah, that are just, yeah.

So yeah, Mormonism can be attractive, you know, and that's why I say Jehovah's Witnesses.

It's just, they're just miserable.

It's, there's nothing appealing about it at all.

So thank God we have Christ.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Jehovah's Witnesses is probably the, like, like if someone ends up in that, it's like, how did that happen?

Yeah.

There's nothing appealing about it, like in the flesh or anything.

It's just like, it's, it's awful.

Yeah.

Yeah.

And it, and it all stems from, from just, you know, what is God's name?

Like that's their whole argument.

Right.

And, and, and, and, and, you know, it's, it's, it's Jehovah.

And it's like, well, really there is no J's in that alphabet.

It would most likely have been according to the way that the pronunciation would have been Jehovah or something like that,

which we would say Yahweh.

Yeah.

Right.

And so, and, and which I touched on it this past week, you know, like they believe that,

that Jesus was Michael the Archangel.

And when Jesus took on, whenever

Michael took on flesh, let's not just how they would say it.

When Michael took on flesh, he, he no longer existed in heaven and was Jesus.

And when Jesus was crucified and his resurrection was not bodily, but

spiritually, and whenever he rose spiritually, Michael appeared back in heaven.

Crazy stuff.

It takes more faith to believe that trash.

It's like Gnosticism.

Yeah.

It just goes against the Bible, right?

It goes against the Bible.

And I like to say that churches of Christ are Mormons who read their Bible.

Because they came about at the same time.

Which, which, so this is an interesting case, which, which non -Christian.

So this, this would extend to a lot of different areas, but which non -Christian

religion is the most influential in the world?

Non -Christian religion.

I would say like Hinduism, you know, the yoga people.

Okay.

I was thinking, I was thinking, I was thinking Jewish stuff.

Like, I was over here thinking the new age.

Yeah.

Like it's really popular right now.

But do you think that has influence like on, on world function?

Like on, I do, I do.

I mean, I would say Judaism did for a long time, right?

I think Judaism is what I was thinking.

Yeah.

I mean, it definitely, it's definitely had an influence on dispensationalism.

The Christian, the Christian dispensationalism.

Not even that.

But I like, there's a lot, like a lot of things that happen in the world are usually promoted by Jewish

individuals.

And so I feel like a lot of it is, I don't know.

I feel like that's something that is in the background of a lot of different movements.

Like some of the biggest LGBT pushes in different communities is always led by LGBT or

is led by Jewish individuals.

It's backfired on them right now in these colleges.

Yeah.

Anything that that's the case is promoting self, you know, self -awareness.

Yeah.

You know, trying, trying to, you know, get in touch with yourself type of thing.

You know, making it about me, everything about me, my feeling.

Which is very new agey.

Definitely.

Yeah.

And I think that stems from Hinduism, if I'm not mistaken, a lot of it.

But I would say concerning the church right now, I would say the, it has to be

chrismaticism.

I don't know if that's a term, but it's not Pentecostalism in one sense.

But it's the chrismatic movement.

Like it's really grabbing a hold of people because it has a lot of that same aspect.

Touchy feelings like Mormonism.

It's all about how I feel.

God just told me to tell you this.

Like speak things into existence.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I mean, for a lot of people, their, their, their, their, their view of Christianity comes from

TBN and Daystar.

Right.

Those televisions, right.

Programs.

Right.

That's not Christianity.

Right.

Like, like, in my opinion, that version of Christianity has caused more people to be atheists than secular

college.

I agree.

Yeah.

I would, I would think so too.

It's garbage.

Yeah. Yeah.

They're convinced.

Right.

They're convinced that they're Christians because somebody told them that they were because they had enough faith to believe.

And now they're trusting in their own experience instead of the personal work of Christ on the.

Cross.

They have, they've never dealt with their sin.

They've never had to repent.

They don't understand who God is.

They don't send, understand who we are compared to him.

And if we don't understand that we haven't, we can't come to an end of ourselves and say, I need a

savior.

I need a substitute.

Yeah.

So yeah, we need, we need to be forgiven, but Christ's righteousness on our account, we need his righteousness.

That's the only way you guys.

Yeah, absolutely.

So someone asked, you know, we don't have to do this tonight, but how we got into a band, we got

started doing evangelism.

And I'm going to tell you, like, for me, like the moment I realized, like the moment that God

saved me, I just wanted to tell people.

And I didn't know.

I mean, I'm going to tell you about the very first time I witnessed to someone, I hit them.

With a Bible.

I actually hit them in the head with the Bible.

Yeah.

I mean, it'd be understandable with my past, right?

Because before I became a Christian, I was very violent, like very

violent, like fighting was how I ran, how I rode.

And so the first time I went is my, I hit him in the Bible.

But the moment that I, you know, some of it was, for me, it's like this.

So, so in martial arts or boxing, whatever it is, you know, whenever you learn

something new, you're, you know, you're able to teach that, which you've learned.

Right.

So, you know, like once you are learned a new way to do an arm bar or whatever

it may be, you want to go out and show people how to do an arm bar or how to throw a

perfect jab or a perfect right cross, right?

Like, like when me and my wife, we watch movies and quite often it's like cop shows or something like that.

And they'll show them in like a boxing gym and they're hitting the punch and bang and she'll look at me and I'm like,

yeah, they don't really know how to fight.

That's fake.

Yeah.

I mean, they're hitting the bag and they look like it's silly, right?

They have no proper form.

And so like for me, I'm always trying, like if I see someone doing something wrong, I

want to show them proper form.

Right.

And so, so it's so, so that part just transitioned to me when I became a Christian, right?

I learned about God.

I learned something about Jesus.

Let me go out and tell someone what I've learned about God, what I've learned about Jesus,.

Right?

Yeah.

And then, and then that right there, like you didn't start out with me witnessing two people trying to get them,

you know, what you would call saved or whatever.

I was just trying to, you know, I learned something and I was, I was sharing something.

But when I saw Ray Comfort preaching on the box like that, like, I think that's really when God

regenerated me because I had been seeking and I read in the Bible

and Christ, like using these things in my life up until that moment, which I saw him on TV and the way

of the master.

But, but, but ever since I saw him witness and my life started going down a

trajectory of change and I, and I felt like I really saw myself naked for

the first time and knowing that I needed to be saved.

Right.

My witness changed.

It was no longer about me telling someone what I just learned, but it was that one story,

that one event in time, like that became the sole focus of it.

Right.

Yeah.

And so, but, but again, it took me five years after that, before I

actually started going out on the streets and sharing the gospel.

So when I first heard it, it would have been in 2005 and I didn't really start going out really

into 2010, 2011, but my family members, right.

My brother, sister, mom, dad, all my cousins, my friends, those that I grew up with,

I would use the law and gospel to witness to them.

But, but at 2010, 2011, I actually started going out on the streets, handing out tracts,

standing up on a box, preaching the gospel, stuff like that.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I think, I think for me, you know, when I became a Christian, I, I, I still tried to do, I still have

so much of the flesh and really wasn't discipled and didn't, didn't really submit.

And, you know, God disciplined me pretty hard.

And, uh, which he will, if you're his.

And, and after that, after that discipline, uh, I was determined to live for

him, you know, and, and to tell people, you know, what Christ has done for me.

And, uh, you know, we, we see so many people, you know, we write it down in our, in our, uh, in our prayer

requests, you know, to churches and stuff, you know, we have family members who aren't saved and stuff.

And you think about that list of people who, uh, that we're praying for that they would come to

Christ.

Well, how will they come?

You know, they're not going to church.

They're not, they're not seeking to, to enter into church.

The only way God's going to save them is if he sends somebody, creates a way to send somebody to tell them,

you know, uh, and give them words that make them wiser to salvation.

And, and so he created a zeal for me.

It's just not gone away.

I just, I just have to tell people.

And, and I have such a zeal that I want to tell other people to go tell people, you know,.

Look at evangelists too, man, like, like, like you're the real deal.

I mean, it's, it's just something that God put in my heart, really.

It's, and, uh, you know, when somebody was asking me, as a matter of fact, I was talking to a pastor today and he goes, you know, what's the,

when you tell somebody how or teach somebody how to evangelize, I say, you know, you don't have to be so, so scripted,

you know, love them, um, you know, connect with them and just say, Hey, listen, man, be

their friend.

Like they were your child and tell them what, what is necessary to, you know, understand that we're,

that God demands perfection in our living and we can't do it, you know?

And being able to have a natural, organic conversation with somebody is so much better than, than, uh,

just, you know, reading or giving them a book answer, you know, still using scripture, of course, because that's where the

power is.

But yeah, just, um, there are people out there that if, if God does not intervene in their lives,

um, and we're the means we're, we're the means to make that happen through prayer.

And going out.

Yeah. Right.

Yeah.

I've, I've always been a super peculiar guy.

Um, I, when I was LDS, I would carry around my quad with me everywhere.

I went and wanted to try to get into conversations, but there was, uh, so in Mormonism,

uh, a quad re refers to the old Testament, new Testament, the book of Mormon, the doctrine and

covenants and the Pearl gray price.

So the Bible book of Mormon doctrine and covenants, Pearl gray price.

So four books quad all together.

Um, and so I just was super weird in that way.

And, but there was always a nagging thing in the back of my mind of like, uh, man, this, like, there's something like, I can't, I can't

justify any questions.

And I have these really wash, wishy washy answers.

And so when I was saved, there was an immediate appeal to want to go and do evangelism

and do apologetics because there were answers.

There was solid ground.

There was truth.

It was fantastic in that sense.

And so, um, I'm knowing Matt slick at first, uh,

I agree with you, Tom.

Like you can't be scripted when you, when you get into those one -on -one conversations, you gotta, you gotta pull off

the awkward bandaid and get the conversation rolling.

And it's awkward as all get out, but guess what?

When there have been several times where I'll be talking to somebody I've just met and they're, they're crying

like hearing this.

And it, there was a kid, man there.

And I have too many times I can count where literally I've seen people's eyes harden in.

Front of me.

And you can just tell they, they, they go from listening and gleaning everything you're saying to just hating and despising Jesus.

And it's a weird thing, but like, I mean, there's sometimes I like, there was one kid that was like going on his mission.

Um, and, or he was about to go on his mission.

I met him at a temple doing evangelism and I'm talking with him and you could just see it in his eyes.

He's just looking straight down and I'm pressing him on hard questions.

Like, dude, man, like you're going to go on a mission and you're going to share, share what

you know.

And you're so doubtful right now.

Like, man, like, like I, and it

being able to speak to people is, is such an important thing, but yeah, immediately that's how I got into evangelism was, I

was immediately getting into it.

Some of the best advice I was given when I was first saved was, uh, just do it and you're going to mess up and

that's okay.

Just go out and do it and that was, that was

really helpful was just do it.

It's like, you don't need to know you're going to mess up.

Yeah.

You're going to mess up.

And I think, uh, Brian didn't post it something the other day, especially hitting to Calvinist.

He's like, if you're a Calvinist and you don't regularly evangelize, you don't understand Calvinism.

That's right.

Yeah, that's right.

And it's true.

Yeah.

I mean, yes, it's convicting to me.

I go out and evangelize and it's convicted to me because like I said, I'm not, I wouldn't, I wouldn't

necessarily call myself an evangelist.

Like, I don't think I have that gifting.

Right.

Like I would say like y 'all, I believe that y 'all to do.

And, uh, there's a new guy that goes to my church.

His name is Samuel Harris.

We call him red.

Like he's an evangelist, man.

Like he is an evangelist.

I, I just do the work of an evangelist.

Like I just do it because the Bible says to do it right.

I don't see myself like, like in y 'all's league when it comes to it.

But again, uh, to me, it just like the, it's just that transition of

fighting.

Like I was talking about, if I know something, I want you to know it too.

Right.

Right.

And so, and so it's, it's, you know, that's just how I look

at it.

A lot of people share what I know.

And I know we're, we're getting late and everything, but a lot of people will say, you know, what's not, you know, it's not my giftedness or it's, it's somebody

else.

And we, you would agree, everybody here would agree that all of us are called to go out and share the gospel.

And I think about, um, Acts chapter eight, verse one, it says, now Saul, uh, was in hearty agreement.

And on that day, great persecution, persecution began against the church in Jerusalem.

And they were all scattered throughout the, uh, throughout the region of Judea and Samaria, except the

apostles.

And if you look down, look down a little bit further.

So they were all scattered, except the apostles had to stay in Jerusalem and they went on proclaiming the good news.

Well, who went on proclaiming the good news?

All of the apostles were in Jerusalem.

It was, it was the regular Christians.

It was the ordinary Christians that went out and they shared the gospel and Philip the deacon was with them,

you know, so we're all called to do it.

You know, the new Testament church had their marching orders and that's what they did.

You know, so yeah, we're all called to do it.

And there are people who are more gifted in it than others.

Um, and you can't let their giftedness, this, uh, Terry, like, like make you feel inadequate.

That's right.

Yeah, that's right.

And a lot of it is just, yeah.

And a lot of it is just, just not, you know, we need to do a better job as a church, church leaders, evangelists and,

and parents need to make sure that when we disciple our children, raise them up,

seeing you evangelize, knocking on doors, you know, so they, so, so they know what it's like to, to

see an adult share their faith.

And if you do that once a month from the time they're five years old to the time they're 20, it's

going to be a way of their life.

They're going to understand how to do it.

So that's why I, you know, really wanted to start the Even If None podcast to encourage

people, this is what we need to do.

This is, these are our marching orders.

So hopefully, you know, by God will grant that and, uh, encourage more people to go out and

evangelize.

Do you mind if I answer that question real fast, Jeff?

Yeah.

It's directed to you.

Yeah.

Let me put it on the screen.

Okay.

Yeah.

I love the question.

Um, yeah, that's all good.

The, uh, I, I have a YouTube channel called reformed ex Mormon.

Go check it out.

Um, be a real blessing for you to go look on there.

There's some different examples of me doing evangelism with different, uh, different things I've captured on camera or things along those lines.

It really depends on the situation and the setting.

Um, if I'm doing open air evangelism, it's going to be a lot of calls with the gospel and less

one -on -one stuff, right?

It's, it's talking to a group.

Uh, but when it's one -on -one or with, um, when I'm talking to missionaries, two individuals at the same time, I usually

start a conversation off with, Hey, can I get a book of Mormon from you?

And they immediately say yes.

And they give me a book of Mormon.

And the reasoning of that is that's one less book of Mormon they can hand out.

And I would rather have it in my hands.

I will throw it away in the trash or use it as a shooting target later on out of the range, right?

Like, and I do, uh, and, and I seriously, and I,

so what I, I take it from him and then I say, Oh man.

So, you know, what, what is the gospel?

If you knew I only had one more minute to live and I asked you guys what the gospel is, what, what would you say the gospel is?

Because Paul says that the gospel is a power unto salvation.

What is the gospel?

If you were out here telling people on your mission to, to, to, to, that you have the true gospel of the restored

gospels, their claim, then what is it?

And listen, there's not been one that has given me the same answer from missionary to.

Missionary.

It always is different.

Most of them, most of the time.

And a lot of times they'll say things like, Oh, families can be together forever.

Uh, it's repentance, faith, laying on of hands, baptism, and enduring to the end.

That's the gospel.

You'll hear things like prophets and apostles and church of Jesus Christ.

That's the gospel.

Uh, things like the Bible or the book of Mormon and the Bible, that's the God, like just these things that are like, you don't know what you're

talking about.

Um, sometimes you'll get like the really obscure answer of Jesus is the gospel, right?

And you press it on a little bit more and they just fall apart.

And I, I, I do tell them, I'm like, okay, so you're, so let's say if they said repentance, laying on of

hands, baptism, that's the gospel.

I would, I would pause there and I'd say, okay, I want to really examine what you just said, because Galatians one says that if any man comes to you and

preaches the gospel, other than the one that you've yet received, let him be accursed.

Um, what you've just claimed is not the gospel.

And according to the word of God, you are accursed right now.

And I'm really worried about that because let me tell you why.

And then I, I go, I go down the list with them and it really gauges.

I also usually start these conversations off with saying, I'm not here to be contentious because they,

that, that, that word right there, contentious is a huge thing.

If you, if you say that you will get 10 more minutes with any missionary you talk to guaranteed because you started the

conversation with saying, I do, I'm not here to be contentious because they, in their minds, anything that opposes

Mormon doctrine is contentious is the spirit of contention and you need to leave.

It's anti Mormon.

Don't talk, don't listen to them.

So if you use the word, I'm not trying to be contentious.

You earn 10 more minutes of conversation time.

And so you say, I'm not here to be contentious.

What is the gospel?

You hear them.

And then you reason with what they said.

And the three things that I always stick to, I've never bring up stuff about Joseph Smith, Brigham Young, the book of Mormon.

The reason is, is because those are the black marks that are easy to point out.

And I've had literal adults, adults as Mormons put their fingers in their ears and go, la,.

La, la, la.

As they walk away from 40 year old people doing this adults.

And so don't go to the black marks because they're just going to stick their fingers in their ears and talk.

And this is generally speaking, if you felt, feel lead led to, to, to do

that, then do.

It.

I'm not here to tell you not to do what you think is the right thing.

Stick though, to these three things.

There's one God, Jesus is God and the gospel is his life, death, burial and resurrection.

Because, and, and in that it's through grace alone, through faith alone in Christ alone that you're saved.

If you stick to those three things, you'll have hours worth of dialogue with them.

And if you keep on pointing it back to them, that's the ways that they, they very clearly fall outside of the camp of

Christianity and violate essentials of Christian Christianity, being that they believe in a plurality of gods.

Isaiah 43 through 46, very clearly teaches different.

They believe that Jesus is our spirit brother, not the creator, not the one and only God in whom we've sinned against.

So therefore it's not true forgiveness.

And they violate John eight, unless you believe I am, you shall die in your sins.

And then because they believe that it's works plus faith that they're saved.

Christ died needlessly according to Galatians two 21.

And, and Paul makes the argument in Romans four, that we are justified by faith in Christ, not of

works, not of works.

And so not, not of works of the law.

And so because of that, they're outside of Christianity.

So if you stick to those three things, it's not contentious.

It clearly tells them to repent and believe in that.

And it, it, it tells them that they are condemned currently in their current belief.

And that's important.

A lot of Mormons, a lot of, a lot of Christians will evangelize to Mormons and say, just tell them about Joseph Smith and how all the awful things

he did, which are awful and true.

And they walk away thinking that they did a good job and you didn't even proclaim the gospel to them.

And that's, that's the mistake.

Yeah.

Good stuff, Brayden.

Yeah.

Very good.

Yeah.

I'm hoping that next time he comes up, we can have some conversations with Mormons.

He had some last, this past conference while I was at a restaurant.

Yeah.

Did you?

I did.

It was out when you were getting something.

Yeah.

He didn't want to hang out with us.

Yeah.

Every time that I'm out open air preaching, like the Mormons have drive by and wave at me and sometimes they even say, God

bless you, brother.

And I'll say, we're not brothers.

Let's talk to you though.

Yeah.

I'm trying to get them to, you know, like they see me out on the streets all the time.

So like they know who I am.

And so whenever I do bump into them, I try to talk to them.

They'll say, are you that guy that preach on the side of the road?

I'm like, yeah, that's fine.

I was like, yeah, we don't want to talk to you.

So I can't get them to talk to me, man.

So it's, I spoke to like two or three of them one day for a good minute.

No, I saw two of them one day.

And then about six months later, I spoke to another two.

So four total.

And like, they won't mess with me.

You know, not too long ago, I think it was you, Braden, you posted a video.

You went out somewhere and you were talking to students or people walking all over to Mormons asking them,

can we talk about the Lord Jesus Christ?

And they just kept on walking.

They wouldn't engage him at all.

Just nothing.

It's like, yeah, missionaries, missionaries that are on their missions for two years that are there to tell

people that the restored gospel refused to talk.

And here you're asking, you're asking, please, I'm here.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Unbelievable.

I like to tell them whenever they try to get, you know, whenever they try to leave the conversation, I'll say something like,

you know what, this shows that you don't love me, you know, and it

shows that that your true belief versus my true belief.

Right.

Because they believe that when I die, I'm going to go to some kind of a

heaven.

Right.

It's not going to be a hell.

It's not going to be a lake that's burning with fire.

You know what I'm saying?

I'm not going to be tortured for all eternity.

Right.

And so and because they have that belief, whenever things get tenuous, let's say they can walk

away like they'll walk away from me.

And there's been times where my wife's looking out the window, knocking, doing this like time to eat.

She's trying to shovel.