How Denominations Die, How Movements Crash and Burn

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Well, greetings and welcome to the dividing line. I was gonna It's it's cold here in Phoenix for us

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I mean, I yeah at my house. It's up to 59 Rich is shivering in the other room and Those of you where it's like below zero

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That 10 inches of snow in Pensacola, Florida The record was three inches so wow, that's a that's that's crushing records

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That's that's that's amazing. I just want There are advantages to being a boomer

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I'm sick and tired of all the anti boomer stuff. You all just jealous to be honest with you.

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Um, I remember so very clearly a man by the name of Al Gore now

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Al Gore was vice president and he you know we went through a period of time there were

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Most vice presidents were sort of embarrassing just they they

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We were just sort of glad they didn't have to become president. Let's just put that way and Al Gore was one of them and then

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Al Gore became the Environmentalist wacko that he remains to this very day.

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I mean, I guess he was at the W. Yeah, I guess he was in Davos Yesterday or today one of the two.

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I don't know probably Late last night early, you know because of the time change anyway

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You know, you know that man was given a Nobel Prize and You know inconvenient truth stuff and You know, he was he was telling us a long time ago

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That our children Would not know what snow was Now to be honest with you

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In in the long looking at things in the long term it's it's

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More people will live Without snow than with snow, okay, if you look at the nations that are covered with snow

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Not a lot of people live there because you can't I Mean my hats off to the

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Eskimos. You know that I've learned how to make igloos But you know, there aren't that many of them and they don't really build a a major Society because it's too stinking cold and you can't get enough air and you can't get enough food, you know, you just you can't you got to be able to grow crops and Plants need something called carbon dioxide co2

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That's plant food. And it's a very very good stuff. And The the idiots, you know,

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I'm I'm just We've been warned It's almost like books and movies are meant to be warnings about what's coming

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By prophetic people who just hide in the shadows You know, so i'm i'm driving home from a pastoral meeting yesterday

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And uh, trump's talking with this, uh, what's the guy's name ellison,

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I think from oracle And this guy is talking about uh,

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AI generated mRNA vaccines Now i've read lots of stuff now,

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I mean In comparison to what was available between 2020 and 2020 late 2022 uh 23 on mRNA vaccines the vaccine injuries all this stuff

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We just have tons we have thousands and thousands and thousands of pages and Hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of studies that they're all saying the same thing

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This stuff is pure poison it will destroy the human heart faster than you can shake a stick and and all this stuff and yet Uh, it's like and and look trump

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Was very proud of his warp speed stuff and everything and still is So he he didn't get any of this and the vast majority of us are like dude wake up.

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Uh that you got you got schnookered and the very fact that biden Have you ever have

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I was never more Embarrassed to be an american than on inauguration day

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Mainly because of what biden did in the last 15 minutes of his presidency um, he not only pardons fauci and millie and all these people that are guilty of treason and Crimes against humanity and genocide and everything else but then in the last 15 minutes

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He pardons his whole family And I know although they're just doing that because I just know that trump's gonna be a terrible terrible person

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No, they did it because they know they know that we know um, and It was just Oh It was so sad.

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So It it worries me. It truly concerns me that trump hasn't gotten that's one area where he's pretty much still in lockstep with People that came before Is that this stuff was great and I was great to get it done so fast and all this stuff

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I'm, not sure that he has the Ability to be self -reflective enough to go. Yeah, I got totally suckered on that one you know that that That would be what he would need to do is come out and say those people

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You know, no one had ever run into this before. How could I have known but i've learned since then and so That'll never happen again um, no, no, it's gonna happen again and uh, it's um, it's scary and the ai stuff only makes it scary faster

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Really does. So haven't we seen all these I mean As as I was driving

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I was thinking Haven't you all seen? um

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The will smith movie. What was it? It's not it's not iRobot. It was Legend, no.

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Oh, I am legend. I am legend. I am legend. I never understood the title of that I never I didn't either.

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I never made the connection between the title and the movie Um, but yeah, it's a great movie And what happened?

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That's what happened Dude We're gonna cure cancer and wiped out the human race.

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Um, i'm i'm watching this yesterday And what's going through my mind is oh great mrna meets skynet.

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Yeah. Yeah. Hello. Yeah Oh, yeah that yeah, it's it's terminator with a needle

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All will smith Clearly that we need to be watching every will smith movie to know what's gonna be happening

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We're gonna have to start calling him the prophet will smith will smith Well the prophet joseph smith probably about the same accuracy.

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Maybe maybe will smith be much more accurate. Um, Just don't insult his wife and you won't get hit, um,

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I suppose but anyway, wow, uh, I I just it it

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I I have to admit That I said this on twitter and I know people are just ignoring it because right now everybody's just well everybody

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Not according to one of the ladies we're going to talk about here in a moment the supposed bishop of the episcopalian church, um but Obviously there's you know, the view and people like that are in deep mourning

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But a lot of people on my Feed are just rejoicing and having lots of fun and thinking this is awesome.

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This is great. Okay fine uh But the problem is the precedent that was set

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Uh on monday By the biden regime now, you know

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Again, joe biden doesn't know what day of the week it is He's he's non compass mentis and he has been since before he became president.

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That is that is one of the greatest Acts of treason That that makes benedict arnold when

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I grew up What was the name you called someone who was a traitor benedict arnold that went back to the revolutionary war?

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No one studies revolutionary war anymore. So I guess it doesn't matter Now it would be joe biden um the treason

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Of his puppet masters, oh and I had someone I mentioned puppet masters.

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I found out that's an anti -semitic slur What? No idea. It's like get serious um

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He was a sock puppet and somebody had to put their hand up there to make his mouth move And it was those people they are the greatest traitors

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Uh that this nation's ever known the damage they have done Already I don't think personally that there is a single military secret left

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That has not been transmitted to the chinese. I really really don't I honestly don't think so Um, they're probably scrambling to try to create some new ones right now uh military secrets it is um

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But the precedent That was set This is this is what banana republics do

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This is what Republics that last for 22 years do you know, we're coming up on 250.

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Well, we're not going to make 300 at this rate When you do this kind of thing So you're gonna you're gonna just do a blanket pardon the the the the hunter biden pardon was disgusting vile especially given

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How it was used to Overthrow elections in the united states. It's just It's vile beyond understanding

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But then to follow that up with just blanket preemptive

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Just in case we're not saying anybody did anything. I mean How can trump not do that as he leaves

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What if there is going to be a a shift back? And all this stuff comes rushing back and believe you me if it comes rushing back all the dei all that stuff

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It's going to come back with such Force, that's astonishing. I know everyone's sitting around going.

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Hey We've won we've gotten rid of stuff. Well for four years maybe for Some of it

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But here's the problem Are we changing any minds on the other side? Are are are are the the are young american people who are graduating from high school

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Are they any less dedicated? to gay marriage homosexuality transgenderism

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As as any of that just because trump gets elected and you he

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Does a bunch of stuff that i'll be honest with you. I said this to my fellow elders on monday

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You know, you got all these executive orders coming out and i'm just sitting here going I hate to be the wet blanket

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I'm, sorry. I'm scottish. It's just It's what you get when it rains all the time when you're on your ancestors.

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Um You get to be a wet blanket and I said this is not how our government's supposed to function

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Okay It's not supposed to function on the basis of executive order It's supposed to function on the basis.

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It laws are supposed to come from the legislative branch and the execution of those laws from the executive branch and the judging of the constitutional nature of those laws in the judicial branch

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That's all gotten completely torn apart And I would suggest the main reason is because Back in my youth

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What you know certainly in my house What what separated the republicans and the democrats certainly seemed like a huge chasm but when you look at Nixon And some of these people and the people we were calling wild -eyed liberals and compare them to what we've got today

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Um, there wasn't that much of a difference and Now we have

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Minimally two different nations within the same borders at least we have borders in the moment that that's

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That's a good thing. Um How long those borders will last man? I hope they build a wall that you can't tear down uh, because what do we is this what we're gonna have from now on is

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We end up with a border wall and then let's say God's merciful eight years from now

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Um because you know you had you had four you had eight years with uh

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Reagan And then bush came after that but only for four That's that's happened more than once Um, so let's say we had eight years we build the wall.

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What are they gonna do tear it down? Uh eight years from now I wouldn't put it past them

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It's such a stain upon our national Everybody knows why they're doing it. Everybody knows what their purpose is

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Uh, it's plain as day Uh, but is that what we're going to be doing? What what a laughingstock it truly is so I don't

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You know, there's a there's a change in the vibe Well vibes don't run nations.

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They they may determine an election but The fundamental foundational worldview issues,

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I don't see being addressed and I'll be honest Um, there's there's no question that if the communists had won which was what what

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Kamala Harris was and Can you imagine the people she'd be putting in place right now? um

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If the communists had won I I don't we I don't know how long there would be freedom of speech

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Or any kind of freedom of speech or anything like that censorship would be Through the roof so fast.

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It wouldn't be funny But at the same time Um, that doesn't mean that what has happened

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Is without its grave dangers and uh

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This ruling by executive order we We are electing kings now we're electing a a royalty and That's not how it was designed to work and I don't see how it can continue working

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When since we have two nations we have You know one or the other is going to predominate over the other

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And there's there there can be no compromise there can be no bipartisanship there can be no

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It's no longer, you know the whole the whole idea behind the senate and i'm sorry if you're outside the united states. I've I've I forget that we have a global audience, but it's amazing

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How many people outside the united states know exactly what's going on here and recognize how important it is for them? So I apologize for that and you've got the same things going on where you are.

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Um in in different forms I mean the uk has fallen my goodness. I'm, so sorry

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I loved going there for so many years. But anyway um the senate in the united states

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It's been explained many times was meant to be the the cooling pot

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Uh, it's meant to move more slowly It's meant to have more debate Uh, that's why the senators are elected for six years instead of just two

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And That's where the cooler heads are supposed to prevail and what's supposed to happen is if you're a senator

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Because you're going to be there for at least six years and I really think it should be like limited like 12.

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Um You should be able to do what's right for the country more than anything else now the left doesn't care they're

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The left hates this country and is doing everything they can to destroy this country. There's no question about that um but that That whole structure was meant to slow things down and to Be a a bulwark against sudden

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Changes of public opinion or things like that So as to not allow for the destruction of fundamental freedoms and and foolishness taking place

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The way things are now um You can't get two -thirds of the senate to agree to anything

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You're not allowed to So you can never get anything passed And so I understand why the executive order regime has come into existence, but That's a fundamental degradation of the united states constitution

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So, I don't know how long it can last in that type of situation. It was not designed to govern a people

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Where At least a third if not nearly half

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Want to destroy its efficacy You know, we saw everybody swearing to uphold the constitution.

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Oh, please give me a break um It's um, yeah interesting days and so Stuff going on you you all saw this morning

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Um The stories about the National cathedral.

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Okay. You have this beautiful building in washington. I've seen it. I've been there um but the national cathedral

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And the prayer service that took place um yesterday morning

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Yeah, it's the day after the inauguration. So yesterday morning and Not shockingly or surprisingly at all

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The woman bishop Evidently, she is the first bishop of the national cathedral female bishop

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Uh, which is sort of surprising given episcopalianism For those who don't know

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Episcopalianism is the american branch of the anglican communion And While there are

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Great conservative anglican folks out there mainly in australia um

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Episcopalianism Went farther left And and I think this is because the anglican communion for a number of years was

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Kept from swinging as far into lululand Um as it wanted to go by the presence of the africans the african bishops

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This has been the case united methodist church in the anglican church these african bishops

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Would come to synod and they're like nope bible doesn't teach that nope teach that and they're just They're they're they're solid, uh, and africa hasn't been nearly as deeply infected by the woke insanity as other parts of the world and so Episcopalianism without that anchor has just you know united methodist church episcopalians united church christ, um all the leftist wacko denominations that Left the farm a long time ago

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Uh, that's where this woman is. That's why she's standing up there lecturing the president about uh

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Transgendered children who are are afraid That they're going to die And i'm sitting there going, you know

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If you've got a seven -year -old kid thinks they're transgender I can guarantee you Uh, the person that made them that way is their parents probably their mom uh first and foremost um

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But yeah as it may she's now Guaranteed her celebrity status by speaking truth to power

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And she was on the view this morning and the and the whole nine yards look You you look at that building

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And this nation spent money Money used to have meaning now.

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You just print it. It has no value at all. But um We spent money building that massive gothic cathedral

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Uh, because we wanted to have some connection to europe We're you know, we look at those beautiful cathedrals over there.

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They've been there for 1200 years And there wasn't anything here 1200 years ago except a few huts with some indians

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Uh in them, uh, and that was about it um Indian indian culture united states

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Never got past a certain level You know, we can look at some of the ruins.

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We've got a lot here in in arizona montezuma's, uh castle um up north on the 17th and and you know

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Okay All right, that ain't nothing compared to the egyptians, uh, and it certainly isn't anything compared to what you have in in europe um, and so we

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A little bit jealous we build this thing But the problem is it's always been marked by politics

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And the episcopalians have had a huge huge part in the politics united states, which has not been a positive thing at all uh given that they

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Swing left. I mean if if they were a pendulum, they would only go like this It wouldn't be no

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It's all on the left there's just they're playing that have two two left wings That's that's all there is to it, which doesn't fly very well, by the way so anyway uh how

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How does a denomination get there? How does a nation get to the place where? Where it's national cathedral?

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um, which was meant to be a a christian institution uh is led by A wild -eyed leftist woman now a lot of people

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I hear people talking about um You know the the liberalism

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I I stopped using that term 10 15 years ago. These people are not liberals a liberal

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Actually wants some kind of level of freedom These people are leftists And they are controlled by a leftist worldview and um, they don't want freedom and But but how do we get here?

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because I I went to alaska a number of years ago And one of the churches

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I spoke at was an episcopalian church Now they said that they were pretty unusual, you know, if you if you're gonna have me speak

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Um You're gonna have to have a really conservative view of scripture uh, because i'm gonna bring a and everything i'm gonna say is gonna be based upon um, the supremacy of the word of god the sufficiency of the word of god

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Uh, so I would assume most of those folks have left By now, I I can't imagine how any bible believing

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Pastor could be a pastor in the episcopalian church Then again, you know, maybe you're out in the middle of nowhere and there's there's only one church for 100 miles any direction

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Okay, I could see some rare instances like that but in general

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What happened to the episcopalians? What happened to united methodists? What happened to the PCUSA?

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What happened to the uh, uh, ELCA? Evangelical Lutheran church. These are the leftist groups

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You look at all of them there is one Inconsistency In all of them.

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In fact, it was interesting. I didn't see this a friend of mine sent it to me Well, okay. I did

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I did actually see this um west huff had uh

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Yeah, I don't know what's going on with this ever since I got the new computer Uh, my my messages

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I used to be able to bring them up on all my computers. They're all the same thing now. It doesn't work that way Um because I was gonna show it to you but um

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Yeah, everything everything's changed and west huff posted a um

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The christian scriptures it was uh Go find that west huff stuff. It looks like that.

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Okay And a friend of mine said to me I had seen it in passing And didn't have time really to stop and look at it.

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But What I love about it is the upper right hand corner of this graphic um

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Is a quote Here's the quote how one views scripture will determine the rest of one's theology

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There is no more basic issue every system of thought that takes seriously the claims of the bible To be the inspired authoritative word of god will share a commitment to particular central truth and that without compromise end quote

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Good quote, right? Yeah, james white scripture alone page 43 um so that's

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That is the issue You look back at the history of these denominations

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And you can chart it here's where the sufficiency and authority of scripture

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I'm just gonna grab my my dad's bible Says team guy's name edwin ry right there.

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I bet you it's Sure. It's a scoffield reference edition Of course it is of course it is.

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Yes Yeah, it's it man. I'm Look, it's I don't know.

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Do you I wonder if jeffrey could help me out here I wonder if I don't want to lose the the thing with his name on it

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But I bet you he could he could reattach the the the thing to the Jeffrey, what about it?

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Let me know. He could definitely rescue that definitely. I hope so. That's my dad's old bible. So um

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He he had a lot nicer bibles the day of his life because I gave them to him But this was what what was the date on this?

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Because I'll bet you Oh my Oh my

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From mother elmira white december 25th, 1949 Preach the word

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Dear son, this book will keep you from sin and sin will keep you from this book This is the only book that can tell you

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Where you came from how to live And where you will spend eternity Read it believe it accept by faith the savior it presents and you are sure of heaven

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Reject him and you are eternally lost Live for his glory each day and you will know true peace and happiness his blood secures his word assures

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Yeah christmas day 1949. Yeah, look at that I had seen that i'd forgotten when it was

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And man people knew how to write back then You've seen my mom's handwriting. Oh my goodness

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I've oh Anyway, what was I saying now that we just we just we just went down some 49s.

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That's it's 70 76 years ago 76 years ago Doesn't have any smell to it anymore.

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But uh, 76 years ago. Yeah, i'll have to see what jeffrey can do because i'd like to Anyway, you were talking about wes huff and well, yeah,

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I was actually I just used that quote. Um whether you believe

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That this Is the consistent inspired revelation from god that has the authority of the one who rose from the dead

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Whether you believe that or whether you believe that this is the only reason that this ever um gained certain levels of popularity or authority

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Is because the development of tradition And it helped keep people in line and it's actually filled with contradiction

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And and you get to pick and choose whatever you want out of it If that's how you approach it um you'll end up with The united church of christ and you'll end up with the episcopalian church and we end up with the pc usa and and uh, um

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Elca and and all the rest of it because You no longer have a word from god

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Um, that's where it all started that's because sitting here looking at this woman

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Um belching out leftism at the president and vice president Um And it's sad because as far as I understand

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Vance Was I think some kind of evangelical before he converted roman catholicism in 2019 only six years ago

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So that's not showing much In the way of discernment and certainly trump doesn't have any discernment when it comes to spiritual things either

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So they're just sitting there and I was surprised At how reserved trump was in his comments afterwards.

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He did say that wasn't really good but uh

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Most of us would have said a whole lot more Uh about what she said because we'd recognize the fundamental worldview

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Errors that are representative of what she's what she's saying But how did that happen?

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It started At a meeting at a synod At a presbytery meeting whatever convention whatever

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Long before the boomers came along long before the boomers came along And somebody said has god really said

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That's where it started and they may have gotten nowhere that first meeting but they

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They got a study group started for the next meeting And then the next one and then the next one and that's how it happened

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That's how it happened And there's always the push Something new something fresh.

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We can't we can't keep doing things The old way. Well, i'm not talking about simply becoming fossilized not talking about becoming eastern orthodoxy but There is a a balance that must be

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Sought and attained be consistent Um Deal with developments as they take place.

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I mean, you know, we have to deal with genetics now and everything else He didn't have to do that only a hundred years ago

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Yeah, we gotta deal with it now but Stay consistent. And when you when you look at this

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What what do you fundamentally view it as is this? The result

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Of human tradition and development over time that's self -contradictory

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Or Do you view this the way jesus did? And you say that's not fair.

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Yes, it is fair That that that's the issue This thing is so dry. I've got i've got

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I do have some of jeffrey's. Um Bible butter here. I think i'll try to help the 75 year old leather.

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That'd probably be the first time in 75 years Oh, i'll don't know what yeah, we'll definitely i'll i'll definitely talk to him see see what he thinks i'll send him some pictures and go

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What do you what do you think? You know? Um I just don't think the cover's rescuable.

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Um So we'll we'll see um but uh It's all it all comes down to scriptural scriptural sufficiency

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Which allows me to sort of um transition Into a uh a post that I put up on social media um wherein

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I I Addressed a few things that are happening on um in the social media realm

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There's a bunch of stuff i'd like to talk about right now. There's um I and I only say this if You see anyone continuing

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To even playfully deal uh retweet make reference to The work of the holdens

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So, uh the jolly brawler The the guy that especially uh, the guy that produced

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The white boy summer video. Remember that last year? I remember when it first came out

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I I think it took me a few weeks to even bother to watch it

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Because I just wasn't interested in all this stuff and I was going that sounds questionable, but and you know

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There's more important things we're doing in life um People have gone through These guys videos they they did another one right before christmas

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And They're done in such a way that they they move very quickly between Images okay or snippets of video

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Moves real fast. Evidently. That's what you have to do today I am reminded

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Almost 10 years ago when I was on the dr. Drew show uh when the

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Director Told us in the green room before he went out That their studies had shown that if any one person speaks for more than 15 seconds

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Their audience tunes out um and so If that's the kind of people you're trying to get excited

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Then you're going to do two or three second Stuff because that's as long as their attention span actually is they need to be hyper entertained

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Sort of like the children that they are um That's yeah, that's how it works so I wondered because a lot of the stuff that I saw

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Didn't make any sense to me other than it was just a bunch of white people and uh

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So it certainly communicated the idea that there was a A whiff of white supremacy, uh

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In in the background of all of this stuff a whiff of racism Real racism the biblically sinful kind not the stuff that we've been exposed to for Many years now that actually isn't racism the actual biblically sinful kind, you know animus based upon skin color ethnicity.

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That's that stuff So it didn't make you think about that but then other people took the time to download that video and track down where all these video clips are from what the images pictures or video clips are from And then they've published this information.

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They've put it out there And when someone produces videos With an image of the founder of the nazi party united states followed a little while later by an image of one of hitler's primary defenders in great britain before the war and It's filled

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With I mean even stuff from the 36 olympic games in berlin um, which again

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Hitler was there and and you know nazi supremacy aryan supremacy all the rest of that kind of stuff um

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When when someone tells you what they are That boldly because look

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I'm, sorry You can't tell me That that happens accidentally

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You don't accidentally Put a a clip of the founder of the nazi party in america

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Into your video which also includes clips from the 36 olympics

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And you call it white boy summer And that doesn't happen accidentally.

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That's purposeful especially when Christmas rolls around and the same guys do it again

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And likewise sneak their Agenda into the into the video

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So By now that is so well known That is so obvious that if anybody

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Retweets this stuff jokes about this stuff promotes this stuff You just need to know they're nazi adjacent

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That's where they're coming from They can't they cannot claim ignorance anymore

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They can't And so this kind of stuff still happening and I am not going to sit here and say i'm prophet or son of a prophet

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But You you all you all have heard it on this program numerous times over the past What is it now?

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Three and a half four months um You are going to see

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Much more clarity about the specifics Of the current divide

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Amongst people who used to Be working the same direction

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Working hand in hand would have recommended one another a lot of the younger people

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Said these are the older men that we've learned from and we've been trained by and And now there's this huge chasm.

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They're all irrelevant. They're idiots We are the new uh leaders and you need to follow us um

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Despite our immaturity um What what has happened here?

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You're going to see More and more clarity developing because it's happening faster than I expected it to um

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Certain individuals Seemingly the wheels are coming off on them real fast, which I did not expect and did not and did not hope for either

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I've always hoped that there would be A sudden reversal of direction a sudden influx of wisdom

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Uh that would stop these people from utter self -destruction, but they seem absolutely intent upon it um

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You're gonna see that Over the next few months and then i've said over and over again by the end of this year the lines are going to be very very very discernible understandable

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And It's not going to be something you can cover see right now you're it's being covered over with Oh You know it was all just uh, you know people trying to slander somebody and You know just need to listen to the secret recordings and all that kind of stuff which has nothing to do with white boy summer um

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And the things That are that are associated with it has nothing to do with it at all. It's it's been a cover from the beginning um, the issues are much deeper than that And The issues are resulting in Young men who 10 years ago

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Were Very self -professedly edified and blessed

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By the preaching and teaching of the sufficiency of the word of god The defense of the word of god the defense of the christian faith through A presuppositional apologetic methodology that challenges

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One of the reasons that precept is so important, by the way Is that we now live in a secular world?

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None of our forefathers live in the secular world Even the early church fathers lived in a religious world.

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It was a pagan religious world. It was a polytheistic world Secularism is the utter denial of everything

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That defines what's good in the christian faith You have no meaning you have no purpose there's no meaning and purpose in the world stop looking for it.

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That's secularism We are facing something that is new in the history of the christian church and So when people say, oh, well, you know, they didn't specifically use that kind of language, but they weren't dealing with secularists

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We are and so I believe the consistent way and The funny thing is all these people

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Who used to be presuppositionalists, but now they've gotten wise They aren't the people out dealing with the atheists

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They're not um They're they're they're Big in Cosplaying on facebook or twitter, but not so much doing the actual stuff

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Uh, but Look at the things where people are changing I saw a young man

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Um has a webcast I've been on it Uh say yesterday a day before yesterday um that the way he described it is the uh the time of uh

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Theonomic reconstructionism has passed He was talking about the upcoming reform con uh thing we're doing down in tucson in april

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And I I started thinking about you know It depends on how you you know You define reconstructionism if you define that Certainly the way that I would and that is that any nation that wants the blessing of god

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Must first inquire as to what is pleasing to god You can't ask for god's blessing while Living and passing laws

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That are completely opposed to his revealed word So if what you're saying is we can reconstruct

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A society that will be pleasing to god on the basis of what god has said is pleasing to him

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Okay. Yeah, there you go What has caused The passing of this time in these young men's mind what's replaced that You know,

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I I sit here and go, you know when I when I preach When I preached 35 sermons

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On the abiding validity of god's law the holiness code back in 2016 2017 somewhere around that that time frame about 10 years ago um

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I saw this as vitally important Because it was connected to the sufficiency and inspiration of scripture and once you don't have that you don't have anything left at all

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And it's perfectly consistent with presuppositionalism I mean greg bonson wrote theonomy and christian ethics and Popularized van till and explained van till and applied van till um, so you see that there's clearly a connection between the two

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And it's like so what's You guys who were once with us And I'm just pointing out

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You were once with us You were once with us

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You are the ones changing you are the ones leaving You not not me

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You know the people on the boat it looks like the dock's moving when the boat pulls out but it's it's it's the other way around And you need to understand that And you need to embrace it

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Because then that will finally give you the opportunity. So where are we going? What has caused us to get on this boat?

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And to start this journey And what's the end of this journey because I don't get the feeling a bunch of these people have any idea

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What the end of this journey is? So, you know, well we want to we we like steven wolf's uh political theories

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Okay So you want to become a sacralist? Have you looked how that's worked out in the past?

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That was called christened in 1 .0 and uh, there was probably a time where a bunch of you

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Did find it interesting to hear me talking about church history and talking about what happened uh to the uh baptists at the hands of both catholics and reformed uh at the time of the reformation and and You know, maybe you've watched a little four minute video for almost five minute video on fritz erba that we we uh

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Put together when we were in germany back in 2017 um And and you sort of got the idea of oh, yeah, that's sacralism that violation of the of the

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Parameters of individual family church state you start mixing all that stuff together you start creating

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Sacred spaces outside of where god has made sacred spaces Uh, it's bad stuff it ends up with people dying in dungeons, uh at the castle and vartberg and uh

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Things like that. Yeah, it's not a not a good thing. Yeah, there's a reason for that There's a reason for that And you know, we're we're we've discovered this this natural law stuff is great.

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You know, it's wonderful um, okay, um problem is that That concept of natural law must be interpreted through supernatural lenses a natural law a natural law theology um is very

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Probably going to result in a diminishment of the centrality of scriptural standards uh, because those have to Those become the lens through which you you're supposed to look at uh nature

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Through revelation and then you'll have a proper understanding of it. But when you invert that You start looking at scripture through the lens of nature.

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You can come up with anything And that's why we've had so many different perspectives and so much uncertainty and In what has been taught in so many denominations because they didn't have that centrality of scripture as that lens and so The boat you've gotten on Isn't going to a new promised land

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It's going back to the failed stuff That you just don't seem to recognize you're heading for it

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And so i'm i'm just like so what's convinced you to do this? Because you know,

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I know there's been critiques of presuppositions for a long time a brand new one just came out again sort of repeating um, what sproll gershner and lindsley did lindsey did um

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Wow sometime in the 90s, uh, because I used that as a textbook

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But to criticize it In My christian philosophy religion classes at golden gate baptist theological seminary starting in the late 90s early 2000s um

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Just repeating the same stuff again. I I haven't seen any kind of Overly, uh compelling argumentation presented that's exegetical in character

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And so i'm just i'm just going where are y 'all going? How'd you get there um

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And someone uh actually sent a um um

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A graphic that I thought was um Instructional uh this morning

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Yeah, there's here's a problem when you open a here's the one problem with having this computer sitting here in this office

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And you don't open it for a long period of time uh, and that is uh the stuff ends up Being really old um

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Yeah certain Things that we all were preaching on and teaching on only a year ago

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These this movement has caused people to abandon stuff within a year That's fast

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That that looks to me like hey the cultural winds are blowing this direction so here

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I go And i'm gonna cover my tracks and i'm gonna make myself feel better By shooting the people that I used to respect and listen to That's what

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I think is going on We want to go a different direction and this sounds like where the cool kids are going

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And So what we're going to do Is we're going to talk about how bad the boomers were because I it was only

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Early last year that I started hearing that kind of language I don't even remember the first boomer comment

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I ever heard but Why i'm sitting here going why is this because I mean

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I wasn't raised to blame the preceding generations. We didn't have a name for the preceding generation

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Okay, didn't didn't even think about it didn't have gen x gen g millennial. This is all new stuff.

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This is all Social media stuff We didn't I didn't hate the generations that came before me

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Um, I fought against the people in my own generation they were promoting leftism and things like that um

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But I never really thought of myself as this generation versus that generation or whatever um now it's just all the rage and I just like to suggest that the

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The reasons not because the boomers were terrible or millennials are terrible or this is terrible that terrible

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This is a way to divide And to allow you in this situation to abandon where you were

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By attacking the people That you had followed to get you there. So so I I I get this stuff all the time on uh on social media you

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You you turned on us and i'm like I didn't turn on anybody We're right where we've always been

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You're the ones changed and you don't seem to see it And if you don't see it, you're not going to know where you're going to end up going and hence

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You may not know how to get back It's it's an amazing thing to be observing.

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It truly truly is and it's um It's terrible.

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Um Anyway, so I could talk about specific things that have been posted even over the past 24 hours

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That leave you just going Really? That that I did not expect this to be happening this quickly um

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But here's the problem This is this is how the the game's being played right now

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If you jump on it if I mentioned this pastor posted this

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And it's absurd It's ridiculous What they do is go oh you boomers

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I didn't really mean that And so you you can't nail any of these folks down problem is once they've been doing it for three months um

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It keeps going farther and farther and farther And now there really isn't any question about where they're actually going and what they're actually promoting and I don't want that to happen, but it needs to happen.

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It need to happen in the early church It must needs be there's divisions amongst you

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And if a whole bunch of folks who just aren't serious about the centrality of this because What I mentioned earlier about whether scripture is sufficient or not

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That whole conversation was triggered by one of the speakers at that upcoming conference And the whole thing was well look

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And we've Old elder at my last church

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And this was back in the 90s would use as an example. I mean this guy knew greg monson, okay?

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He'd use an example The bible does not tell you how to rebuild a borg warner automatic transmission

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Okay There are entire manuals On how to do that and they're not found the bible and we don't need to make that the 28th book of the new testament

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So There are people saying well look when we talk about the sufficiency of scripture. It's sufficient to tell us how to get saved

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Well, that's true. It is um And that's what rome has been saying for a long time now

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Rome has limited scriptural sufficiency to how to get saved And Reformed response to that has been it can't tell you how to build to rebuild the borg warner automatic transmission

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But it gives you the foundational world view that explains

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Why The borg warner transmission can be rebuilt by numerous different people in the exact same way and guess what the laws

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Of physics and hydraulics and everything will work the same for each person because the underlying worldview

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That makes that automatic transmission work Is dependent upon the consistency of nature.

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Where does that come from nature's god? Who is nature's god? the bible tells you The bible tells you what god's purposes are

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And so when people think they've come up with something really brilliant Well, you know what

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We thought the bible is sufficient for all of life, but really it's only sufficient for soteriology

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Uh, the reality is you got all this other stuff It's not like we hadn't thought all that stuff through before So it seems like a lot of folks

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Pretended to be presuppositionalists, but they didn't have any idea what they were talking about. They hadn't they hadn't done the theology

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You know, there's a lot of people in this movement that are honest that i'm not even a theologian or an exegete

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And it's showing It's showing it really yeah, it's it's showing it really really is

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Well, anyway, look at that. Look at the clock. My goodness. How did that happen? um

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I have an appointment a little bit later on so I need to need to because I'd keep going because I didn't even get to some of the stuff that I had queued up, but um

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Are we looking uh, is is friday gonna okay friday, we had to move to wednesday friday because i've got

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I had a pastoral thing yesterday and uh

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Friday morning Uh, we're having some doors installed. So, um friday afternoon uh, we'll uh, we'll be uh

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Trying to get here to do the program and make it work from there So looking forward to that and something tells me lots and lots of stuff will have happened between now and and friday um

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Just really really quickly. I didn't finish this thought um I'm concerned about some of the stuff that i'm seeing happening

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It it's happening favorably to a lot of things that i'm thinking about but i'm

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Pray with me, uh, pray with me for Sometimes when you have a pendulum swing the pendulum flies off the handle and goes the wrong direction

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And I could see things. Yeah, I could see things happening, uh that are troubling. So we uh

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We need to pray that our nation will bow the knee to christ. That's what we need to pray and right now

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That's not what what's happening. It doesn't matter whether conservative leftist um

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That knee is not is not bowing. Uh as as of yet, so We pray toward that end work toward that end.