How Denominations Die, How Movements Crash and Burn

Current Events, National Decline, and Political Precedent

Greetings and welcome to The Dividing Line. It's cold here in Phoenix. For us, my house, it's up to 59. Rich is shivering in the other room. Those of you where it's below zero, they had 10 inches of snow in Pensacola, Florida.

The record was three inches. So wow, that's crushing records. That's amazing. I just want... There are advantages to being a boomer. I'm sick and tired of all the anti-boomer stuff. You all are just jealous, to be honest with you.

I remember so very clearly a man by the name of Al Gore. Now, Al Gore was vice president. We went through a period of time there where most vice presidents were sort of embarrassing. We were just sort of glad they didn't have to become president.

Let's just put it that way. And Al Gore was one of them. And then Al Gore became the environmentalist wacko that he remains to this very day. I mean, I guess he was at the WEA. I guess he was in Davos yesterday or today, one of the two.

I don't know. Probably late last night, early, because of the time change. Anyway, that man was given a Nobel Prize and inconvenient truth stuff. He was telling us a long time ago that our children would not know what snow was.

Now, to be honest with you, looking at things in the long term, more people will live without snow than with snow. If you look at the nations that are covered with snow, not a lot of people live there because you can't.

I mean, my hat's off to the Eskimos that have learned how to make igloos, but there aren't that many of them. And they don't really build a major society because it's too stinking cold and you can't get enough food.

You gotta be able to grow crops. And plants need something called carbon dioxide, CO2. That's plant food. And it's very, very good stuff. It's almost like books and movies are meant to be warnings about what's coming by prophetic people who just hide in the shadows.

So I'm driving home from a pastoral meeting yesterday. And Trump's talking with this, what's the guy's name? Ellison, I think from Oracle. And this guy is talking about AI-generated mRNA vaccines. Now, I've read lots of stuff now.

I mean, in comparison to what was available between 2020 and 2020, late 2022, 23 on mRNA vaccines, the vaccine injuries, all this stuff. We just have tons. We have thousands and thousands and thousands of pages and hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of studies that they're all saying the same thing.

This stuff is pure poison. It will destroy the human heart faster than you can shake a stick and all this stuff. And yet it's like, and look, Trump was very proud of his warp speed stuff and everything and still is.

So he didn't get any of this. And the vast majority of us are like, dude, wake up. You got snookered. And the very fact that Biden, have you ever, I was never more embarrassed to be an American than on inauguration day, mainly because of what Biden did in the last 15 minutes of his presidency.

He not only pardons Fauci and Milley and all these people that are guilty of treason and crimes against humanity and genocide and everything else, but then in the last 15 minutes, he pardons his whole family.

And I know, oh, but they're just doing that because they just know that Trump is going to be a terrible, terrible person. No, they did it because they know. They know that we know. And it was just, oh, it was so sad.

So it worries me. It truly concerns me that Trump hasn't gotten, that's one area where he's pretty much still in lockstep with people that came before is that this stuff was great and I was great to get it done so fast and all this stuff.

I'm not sure that he has the ability to be self-reflective enough to go, yeah, I got totally suckered on that one. That would be what he would need to do is come out and say, those people, no one had ever run into this before.

How could I have known? But I've learned since then. And so that'll never happen again. No, no, it's going to happen again. And it's scary. And the AI stuff only makes it scary faster. Really does. So haven't we seen all these?

I mean, as I was driving, I was thinking, haven't you all seen the Will Smith movie? What was it? It's not iRobot. It was Legend. No. Oh, I am Legend. I am Legend. I am never made the connection between the title and the movie.

But yeah, it's a great movie. And what happened? That's what happened. We're going to cure cancer and wiped out the human.

Race. I'm watching this yesterday and what's going through my mind is, oh, great. MRNA meets Skynet.

Yeah. Yeah. Hello. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah. It's Terminator with a needle. Yeah. Will Smith. Clearly that we need to be watching every Will Smith movie to know what's.

Going to be happening. We're going to have to start calling him the Prophet Will Smith. The.

Prophet Will Smith. Well, the Prophet Joseph Smith, about the same accuracy. Maybe Will Smith would be much more accurate. Just don't insult his wife and you won't get hit. I suppose. But anyway, wow.

I just, I have to admit, I said this on Twitter and I know people are just ignoring it because right now everybody's just, well, everybody. Not according to one of the ladies we're going to talk about here in a moment.

The supposed Bishop of the Episcopalian Church. But obviously there's, you know, the view and people like that are in deep mourning. But a lot of people on my feed are just rejoicing and having lots of fun and thinking this is awesome.

This is great. Okay, fine. But the problem is the precedent that was set on Monday by the Biden regime. Now, you know, again, Joe Biden doesn't know what day of the week it is. He's non-composementist and he has been since before he became president.

That is one of the greatest acts of treason. That makes Benedict Arnold. When I grew up, what was the name you called someone who was a traitor? Benedict Arnold. That went back to the Revolutionary War.

No one studies Revolutionary War anymore, so I guess it doesn't matter. Now it would be Joe Biden. The treason of his puppet masters. Oh, and I had someone, I mentioned puppet masters, I found out that's an anti-Semitic slur.

What? No idea. It's like, get serious. He was a sock puppet and somebody had to put their hand up there to make his mouth move and it was those people. They are the greatest traitors that this nation has ever known.

The damage they have done already. I don't think personally that there is a single military secret left that has not been transmitted to the Chinese. I really, really don't. I honestly don't think so.

They're probably scrambling to try to create some new ones right now, military secrets it is. But the precedent that was set, this is what banana republics do. This is what republics that last for 22 years do.

We're coming up on 250. Well, we're not going to make 300 at this rate when you do this kind of thing. So you're going to just do a blanket pardon. The Hunter Biden pardon was disgusting, vile, especially given how it was used to overthrow elections in the United States.

It's vile beyond understanding. But then to follow that up with just blanket preemptive, just in case we're not saying anybody did anything. I mean, how can Trump not do that as he leaves? What if there is going to be a shift back and all this stuff comes rushing back?

And believe you me, if it comes rushing back, all the DEI, all that stuff, it's going to come back with such force that's astonishing. I know everyone's sitting around going, hey, we've won, we've gotten rid of this stuff.

Well, for four years, maybe for some of it. But here's the problem. Are we changing any minds on the other side? Are young American people who are graduating from high school, are they any less dedicated to gay marriage, homosexuality, transgenderism as any of that?

Just because Trump gets elected and he does a bunch of stuff that I'll be honest with you. I said this to my fellow elders on Monday. You got all these executive workers coming out and I'm just sitting here going, I hate to be the wet blanket.

I'm sorry, I'm Scottish. It's just what you get when it rains all the time, on your ancestors. You get to be a wet blanket. And I said, this is not how our government's supposed to function. It's not supposed to function on the basis of executive order.

It's supposed to function on the basis, laws are supposed to come from the legislative branch and the execution of those laws from the executive branch and the judging of the constitutional nature of those laws in the judicial branch.

That's all gotten completely torn apart. And I would suggest the main reason is because back in my youth, what, you know, certainly in my house, what separated the Republicans and the Democrats certainly seemed like a huge chasm.

But when you look at Nixon and some of these people and the people we were calling wild-eyed liberals and compare them to what we've got today, there wasn't that much of a difference. And now we have minimally two different nations within the same borders.

At least we have borders in the moment. That's a good thing. How long those borders will last, man, I hope they build a wall that you can't tear down. Because is this what we're going to have from now on?

Is we end up with a border wall and then let's say, God's merciful, eight years from now. Because, you know, you had you had four, you had eight years with Reagan and then Bush came after that, but only for four.

That's happened more than once. So let's say we had eight years. We build the wall. What are they going to do? Tear it down? Eight years from now? I wouldn't put it past them. It's such a stain upon our national...

Everybody knows why they're doing it. Everybody knows what their purpose is. It's plain as day. But is that what we're going to be doing? What a laughingstock. It truly is. So I don't... There's a change in the vibe.

Well, vibes don't run nations. They may determine an election. But the fundamental foundational worldview issues I don't see being addressed. And I'll be honest, there's no question that if the communists had won, which was what Kamala Harris was, and can you imagine the people she'd be putting in place right now?

If the communists had won, I don't know how long there would be freedom of speech or any kind of freedom of speech or anything like that. Censorship would be through the roof so fast it wouldn't be funny.

But at the same time, that doesn't mean that what has happened is without its grave dangers. And this ruling by executive order, we are electing kings now. We're electing a royalty. And that's not how it was designed to work.

And I don't see how it can continue working when since we have two nations, we have one or the other is going to predominate over the other. And there can be no compromise. There can be no bipartisanship.

There can be no... It's no longer... The whole idea behind the Senate, and I'm sorry if you're outside the United States. I forget that we have a global audience, but it's amazing how many people outside the United States know exactly what's going on here and recognize how important it is for them.

So I apologize for that. And you've got the same things going on where you are in different forms. I mean, the UK has fallen. My goodness, I'm so sorry. I loved going there for so many years. But anyway, the Senate in the United States, it's been explained many times, was meant to be the cooling pot.

It's meant to move more slowly. It's meant to have more debate. That's why the senators are elected for six years instead of just two. And that's where the cooler heads are supposed to prevail. And what's supposed to happen is, if you're a senator, because you're going to be there for at least six years, and I really think it should be limited to 12, you should be able to do what's right for the country more than anything else.

Now, the left doesn't care. The left hates this country and is doing everything they can to destroy this country. There's no question about that. But that whole structure was meant to slow things down and to be a bulwark against sudden changes of public opinion or things like that so as to not allow for the destruction of fundamental freedoms and foolishness taking place.

The way things are now, you can't get two-thirds of the Senate to agree to anything. You're not allowed to. So you can never get anything passed. And so I understand why the executive order regime has come into existence, but that's a fundamental degradation of the United States Constitution.

So I don't know how long it can last in that type of situation. It was not designed to govern a people where at least a third, if not nearly half, want to destroy its efficacy. I saw everybody swearing to uphold the Constitution.

Oh, please, give me a break. It's, yeah, interesting days. And so stuff going on, you all saw this morning, the stories about the National Cathedral. You have this beautiful building in Washington. I've seen it.

I've been there. But the National Cathedral and the prayer service that took place yesterday morning. Yeah, it's the day after the inauguration. So yesterday morning. And not shockingly or surprisingly at all, the woman bishop, evidently she is the first bishop of the National Cathedral, female bishop of the National Cathedral, which is sort of surprising given Episcopalianism.

For those who don't know, Episcopalianism is the American branch of the Anglican Communion. And while there are great conservative Anglican folks out there, mainly in Australia, Episcopalianism went farther left.

And I think this is because the Anglican Communion for a number of years was kept from swinging as far into Lulu land as it wanted to go by the presence of the Africans, the African bishops. This has been the case in United Methodist Church, in the Anglican Church.

These African bishops would come to Synod and they're like, nope, Bible doesn't teach that. Nope, Bible doesn't teach that. And they're solid. And Africa hasn't been nearly as deeply infected by the woke insanity as other parts of the world.

And so Episcopalianism without that anchor has just United Methodist Church, Episcopalians, United Church of Christ, all the leftist, wacko denominations that left the farm a long time ago. That's where this woman is.

That's why she's standing up there lecturing the president about transgender children who are afraid that they're going to die. And I'm sitting there going, you know, if you've got a seven-year-old kid that thinks they're transgender, I can guarantee you the person that made them that way is their parents, probably their mom first and foremost.

But as it may, she's now guaranteed her celebrity status by speaking truth to power. And she was on The View this morning and the whole nine yards. Look, you look at that building and this nation spent money.

Money used to have meaning, now you just print it and it has no value at all. But we spent money building that massive Gothic cathedral because we wanted to have some connection to Europe. We look at those beautiful cathedrals over there, they've been there for 1 ,200 years and there wasn't anything here 1 ,200 years ago except a few huts with some Indians in them.

And that was about it. Indian culture in the United States never got past a certain level. We can look at some of the ruins. We've got a lot here in Arizona, Montezuma's castle up north on the 17th. Okay, all right, that ain't nothing compared to the Egyptians and it certainly isn't anything compared to what you have in Europe.

And so we're a little bit jealous we build this thing, but the problem is it's always been marked by politics. And the Episcopalians have had a huge, huge part in the politics of the United States, which has not been a positive thing at all given that they swing left.

I mean, if they were a pendulum, they would only go like this. It wouldn't be, no, it's all on the left. They're a plane that have two left wings. That's all there is to it, which doesn't fly very well, by the way.

So anyway, how does a denomination get there? How does a nation get to the place where its National Cathedral, which was meant to be a Christian institution, is led by a wild-eyed leftist woman? Now, a lot of people, I hear people talking about the liberalism.

I stopped using that term 10, 15 years ago. These people are not liberals. A liberal actually wants some kind of level of freedom. These people are leftists and they are controlled by a leftist worldview and they don't want freedom.

But how do we get here? Because I went to Alaska a number of years ago and one of the churches I spoke at was an Episcopalian church. Now, they said that they were pretty unusual. If you're going to have me speak, you're going to have to have a really conservative view of scripture because I'm going to bring, and everything I'm going to say is going to be based upon the supremacy of the sufficiency of the Word of God.

So I would assume most of those folks have left by now. I can't imagine how any Bible-believing pastor could be a pastor in the Episcopalian church. Then again, maybe you're out in the middle of nowhere and there's only one church for 100 miles in any direction.

Okay, I could see some rare instances like that. But in general, what happened to the Episcopalians? What happened to the United Methodists? What happened to the PCUSA? What happened to the ELCA, Evangelical Lutheran Church?

These are the leftist groups. You look at all of them, there is one consistency in all of them. In fact, it was interesting. I didn't see this. A friend of mine sent it to me. Well, okay, I did actually see this.

I don't know what's going on with this. Ever since I got the new computer, my messages, I used to be able to bring them up on all my computers. They're all the same thing. Now it doesn't work that way because I was going to show it to you.

Everything's changed. Wes Huff posted the Christian scriptures. It was, go find that Wes Huff stuff. It looks like that. A friend of mine said to me, I had seen it in passing and didn't have time really to stop and look at it.

But what I love about it is the upper right-hand corner of this graphic is a quote. Here's the quote. How one views scripture will determine the rest of one's theology. There is no more basic issue. Every system of thought that takes seriously the claims of the Bible to be the inspired authoritative word of God will share a commitment to particular central truth and that without compromise, end quote.

Good quote, right? Yeah. James White, Scripture Alone, page 43. So that is the issue. You look back at the history of these denominations and you can chart it. Here's where the sufficiency and authority of scripture, I'm just going to grab my dad's Bible, says, team guy's name, Edwin R. White, right there.

I bet you it's, sure it's a Schofield reference edition. Of course it is. Of course it is. Yes. Yeah. It's, man, look, it's, I don't know. Do you, I wonder if Jeffrey could help me out here. I wonder if, I don't want to lose the thing with his name on it, but I bet you he could reattach the thing to the, Jeffrey, what about it?

Let me know. He could definitely rescue that. Definitely. I hope so. That's my dad's old Bible. So he had a lot nicer Bibles at the end of his life because I gave them to him. But this was, what was the date on this?

Because I bet you, oh my, oh my, from mother Elmira White, December 25th, 1949. Preach the word. Dear son, this book will keep you from sin and sin will keep you from this book. This is the only book that can tell you where you came from, how to live and where you will spend eternity.

Read it, believe it, accept by faith the Savior it presents and you are sure of heaven. Reject him and you are eternally lost. Live for his glory each day and you will know true peace and happiness. His blood secures, his word assures.

Yeah. Christmas day, 1949. Yeah. Look at that. I had seen that. I'd forgotten when it was. And man, people knew how to write back then. You've seen my mom's handwriting. Oh my goodness. Anyway, what was I saying now that we just went down to 49, that's 76 years ago.

76 years ago. Doesn't have any smell to it anymore, but 76 years ago. Yeah. I'll have to see what Jeffrey can do because I'd like to. Anyway. You were talking about Wes Hough and the Well, yeah, I was actually, I just used that quote.

Whether you believe that this is the consistent, inspired revelation from God that has the authority of the one who rose from the dead, whether you believe that, or whether you believe that this is the only reason that this ever gained certain levels of popularity or authority is because of the development of tradition and it helped keep people in line and it's actually filled with contradiction and you get to pick and choose whatever you want out of it, if that's how you approach it, you'll end up with the United Church of Christ and you'll end up with the Episcopalian Church and we'll end up with the PCUSA and ELCA and all the rest of it because you no longer have a word from God.

That's where it all started. Because sitting here looking at this woman belching out leftism at the president and vice president, it's sad because as far as I understand, Vance was, I think, some kind of evangelical before he converted Roman Catholicism in 2019, only six years ago.

So that's not showing much in the way of discernment and certainly Trump doesn't have any discernment when it comes to spiritual things either. So they're just sitting there and I was surprised at how reserved Trump was in his comments afterwards.

He did say I wasn't really good but most of us would have said a whole lot more about what she said because we'd recognize the fundamental worldview errors that are representative of what she's saying.

But how did that happen? It started at a meeting, at a synod, at a presbytery meeting, whatever, convention, whatever, long before the boomers came along, long before the boomers came along and somebody said, has God really said?

That's where it started. And they may have gotten nowhere that first meeting, but they got a study group started for the next meeting and then the next one and then the next one and that's how it happens.

That's how it happens. And there's always the push, something new, something fresh, we can't keep doing things the old way. Well, I'm not talking about simply becoming fossilized, not talking about becoming Eastern Orthodoxy, but there is a balance that must be sought and attained, be consistent, deal with developments as they take place.

We have to deal with genetics now and everything else. You didn't have to do that only 100 years ago. Yeah, we got to deal with it now, but stay consistent. And when you look at this, what do you fundamentally view it as?

Is this the result of human tradition and development over time that's self-contradictory? Or do you view this the way Jesus did? And you say, that's not fair. Yes, it is fair. That's the issue. This thing is so dry.

I do have some of Jeffrey's Bible butter here. I think I'll try to help the 75-year-old leather. That'd probably be the first time in 75 years. I'll definitely talk to him, see what he thinks. I'll send him some pictures and go, what do you think?

I just don't think the cover's rescuable, so we'll see. But it all comes down to scriptural sufficiency, which allows me to transition into a post that I put up on social media, wherein I addressed a few things that are happening in the social media realm.

There's a bunch of stuff I'd like to talk about right now. I want to say this. If you see anyone continuing to even playfully deal, retweet, make reference to the work of the Holdens, the Jolly Brawler, the guy that produced the White Boy Summer video.

Remember that last year? I remember when it first came out. I think it took me a few weeks to even bother to watch it because I just wasn't interested in all this stuff. And I was going, that sounds questionable, but there's more important things we're doing in life.

People have gone through these guys' videos. They did another one right before Christmas. And they're done in such a way that they move very quickly between images or snippets of video. Moves real fast.

Evidently, that's what you have to do today. I am reminded almost 10 years ago when I was on The Dr. Drew Show, when the director told us in the green room before he went out that their studies had shown that if any one person speaks for more than 15 seconds, their audience tunes out.

And so if that's the kind of people you're trying to get excited, then you're going to do two or three second boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom stuff because that's as long as their attention span actually is.

They need to be hyper-entertained, sort of like the children that they are. That's how it works. So I wondered because a lot of the stuff that I saw didn't make any sense to me other than it was just a bunch of white people.

So it certainly communicated the idea that there was a whiff of white supremacy. In the background of all of this stuff, a whiff of racism, real racism, the biblically sinful kind, not the stuff that we've been exposed to for many years now that actually isn't racism, the actual biblically sinful kind, you know, animus based upon skin color, ethnicity, that stuff.

So it did make you think about that. But then other people took the time to download that video and track down where all these video clips are from, what the images, pictures, or video clips are from.

And then they've published this information. They've put it out there. And when someone produces videos with an image of the founder of the Nazi party in the United States, followed a little while later by an image of one of Hitler's primary defenders in Great Britain before the war.

And it's filled with, I mean, even stuff from the 36 Olympic Games in Berlin, which again, Hitler was there and Nazi supremacy, Aryan supremacy, all the rest of that kind of stuff. When someone tells you what they are that boldly, because look, I'm sorry, you can't tell me that that happens accidentally.

You don't accidentally put a clip of the founder of the Nazi party in America into your video, which also includes clips from the 36 Olympics and you call it white boy summer. And that doesn't happen accidentally.

That's purposeful, especially when Christmas rolls around and the same guys do it again and likewise sneak their agenda into the video. So by now that is so well known. That is so obvious that if anybody retweets this stuff, jokes about this stuff, promotes this stuff, you just need to know they're Nazi adjacent.

That's where they're coming from. They cannot claim ignorance anymore. They can't. And so this kind of stuff is still happening. And I am not going to sit here and say I'm a prophet or a son of a prophet, but you all have heard it on this program numerous times over the past, what is it now?

Three and a half, four months? You are going to see much more clarity about the specifics of the current divide amongst people who used to be working the same direction, working hand in hand, would have recommended one another.

A lot of the younger people said, these are the older men that we've learned from and we've been trained by and now there's this huge chasm. They're all irrelevant. They're idiots. We are the new leaders and you need to follow us despite our immaturity.

What has happened here? You're going to see more and more clarity developing because it's happening faster than I expected it to. Certain individuals, seemingly the wheels are coming off on them real fast, which I did not expect and did not hope for either.

I've always hoped that there would be a sudden reversal of direction, a sudden influx of wisdom that would stop these people from utter self-destruction, but they seem absolutely intent upon it. You're going to see that over the next few months and then I've said over and over again by the end of this year, the lines are going to be very, very, very discernible, understandable, and it's not going to be something you can cover.

Right now, it's being covered over with, oh, it was all just people trying to slander somebody and just need to listen to the secret recordings and all that kind of stuff, which has nothing to do with White Boy Summer and the things that are associated with it.

It has nothing to do with it at all. It's been a cover from the beginning. The issues are much deeper than that and the issues are resulting in young men who, 10 years ago, were very self-professedly edified and blessed by the preaching and teaching of the sufficiency of the Word of God, the defense of the Word of God, the defense of the Christian faith through a presuppositional apologetic methodology that challenges.

One of the reasons that precept is so important, by the way, is that we now live in a secular world. None of our forefathers lived in the secular world. Even the early church fathers lived in a religious world.

It was a pagan religious world. It was a polytheistic world. Secularism is the utter denial of everything that defines what's good in the Christian faith. You have no meaning. You have no purpose. There is no meaning and purpose in the world.

Stop looking for it. That's secularism. We are facing something that is new in the history of the Christian church. When people say, well, they didn't specifically use that kind of language, but they weren't dealing with secularists.

We are. I believe the consistent way, and the funny thing is, all these people who used to be presuppositionalists, but now they've gotten wise, they aren't the people out dealing with the atheists. They're not.

They're big in cosplaying on Facebook or Twitter, but not so much doing the actual stuff. But look at the things where people are changing. I saw a young man has a webcast. I've been on it. I'll say yesterday, a day before yesterday, that the way he described it is the time of theonomic reconstructionism has passed.

He was talking about the upcoming ReformCon thing we're doing down in Tucson in April. I started thinking about, it depends on how you define reconstructionism. If you define that, certainly the way that I would, and that is that any nation that wants the blessing of God must first inquire as to what is pleasing to God.

You can't ask for God's blessing while living and passing laws that are completely opposed to his revealed word. So if what you're saying is we can reconstruct a society that will be pleasing to God on the basis of what God has said is pleasing to him, okay, yeah, there you go.

What has caused the passing of this time in these young men's minds? What's replaced that? I sit here and go, when I preached 35 sermons on the abiding validity of God's law, the holiness code, back in 2016, 2017, somewhere around that time frame, about 10 years ago, I saw this as vitally important because it was connected to the sufficiency and inspiration of scripture.

And once you don't have that, you don't have anything left at all. And it's perfectly consistent with presuppositionalism. I mean, Greg Bonson wrote Theonomy and Christian Ethics and popularized Vantill and explained Vantill and applied Vantill.

So you see that there's clearly a connection between the two. And it's like, so what's, you guys who were once with us, and I'm just pointing out, you were once with us. You were once with us. You are the ones changing.

You are the ones leaving. You, not me. You know, the people on the boat, it looks like the dock's moving when the boat pulls out, but it's the other way around. And you need to understand that. And you need to embrace it because then that will finally give you the opportunity.

So where are we going? What has caused us to get on this boat and to start this journey? And what's the end of this journey? Because I don't get the feeling a bunch of these people have any idea what the end of this journey is.

So, you know, well, we want to, we like Stephen Wolf's political theories. Okay. So you want to become a sacralist. Have you looked how that's worked out in the past? That was called Christendom 1 .0.

And there was probably a time where a bunch of you did find it interesting to hear me talking about church history and talking about what happened to the Baptists at the hands of both Catholics and Reformed at the time of the Reformation.

And, you know, maybe you've watched the little four-minute video, almost five-minute video on Fritz Erba that we put together when we were in Germany back in 2017. And you sort of got the idea of, oh, yeah, that's sacralism, that violation of the parameters of individual, family, church, state.

You start mixing all that stuff together. You start creating sacred spaces outside of where God has made sacred spaces. It's bad stuff. It ends up with people dying in dungeons at the castle in Wartburg and things like that.

Yeah, it's not a good thing. Yeah, there's a reason for that. There's a reason for that. And, you know, we've discovered this natural law stuff is great. It's wonderful. Okay. Problem is that that concept of natural law must be interpreted through supernatural lenses.

A natural law theology is very probably going to result in a diminishment of the centrality of scriptural standards because those become the lens through which you're look at nature through revelation, and then you'll have a proper understanding of it.

But when you invert that, you start looking at scripture through the lens of nature, you can come up with anything. And that's why we've had so many different perspectives and so much uncertainty in what has been taught in so many denominations because they didn't have that centrality of scripture as that lens.

And so the boat you've gotten on isn't going to a new promised land. It's going back to the failed stuff that you just don't seem to recognize you're heading for it. And so I'm just like, so what's convinced you to do this?

Because, you know, I know there's been critiques of presuppositions for a long time, a brand new one just came out again, sort of repeating what Sproul, Gerstner, and Lindsay did sometime in the 90s. Because I used that as a textbook, but to criticize it, in my Christian philosophy religion classes at Golden Gate Baptist Theological Seminary starting in the late 90s, early 2000s, just repeating the same stuff again, I haven't seen any kind of overly compelling argumentation presented that's exegetical in character.

And so I'm just going, where are y 'all going? How'd you get there? And someone actually sent a graphic that I thought was instructional this morning. Here's the one problem with having this computer sitting here in this office and you don't open it for a long period of time, and that is the stuff ends up being really old.

Yeah, certain things that we all were preaching on and teaching on only a year ago, this movement has caused people to abandon stuff within a year. That's fast. That looks to me like, hey, the cultural winds are blowing this direction, so here I go.