Dinosaurs, Dragons, and the Bible with Bodie Hodge

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Introduction to Dinosaurs, Dragons, and Biblical Authority

Well, welcome to The Rap Report. I'm your host, Andrew Rapoport, the executive director of Striving for Eternity and the Christian podcast community, of which this podcast is a proud member. We thank you for joining.

We thank you for those who share these episodes, because that really helps others to find out about us. And this is one I think you might want to share. Just saying, not only because of the topic, but because of the guest.

If you haven't heard of Bode Hodge, well, Bode, I said this before we recorded, you write on more of a wide range topics than I think anybody I know. I think last time you were on, we were talking world religions, we were talking cessationism, we were talking a whole bunch of things.

Now we're going to talk about your newest book, Dinosaurs, Dragons, and the Bible. Wait, dragons, what do they have to do with dinosaurs? Let's hold that thought. So, if folks weren't here for the last time you were on, and I think I said this to you, Bode, I believe you may be our only return guest to The Rap Report.

I could be wrong. I don't remember of any, but you are such an... Well, one is so informative because of the so many different topics that we get into, but your books are so engaging. And so I always have an interest, I always love when you come on, so I'm looking forward to this.

But for folks who don't know who you are, introduce yourself briefly, let them know where you work, why you write books, because you're just bored and have nothing else to do, right?

Yeah, well, my name is Bode Hodge. It's actually great to be back on the show with you there, Andrew. I love getting out there talking about different subjects, particularly apologetics topics, especially creation versus evolution, authority of scripture.

So, of course, I'm going to end up diving into a host of different subjects. But my background, I've got a bachelor's and master's degree in mechanical engineering, and that right there should tell you something.

Engineers have their fingers in all sorts of stuff, it seems like. But I used to teach at Southern Illinois University, and I used to work at Caterpillar as a test engineer for a large cat equipment. I used to go out and test it, and I loved doing that.

But once I went into ministry, I wouldn't change it. I love getting in there, diving in, looking at various subjects in light of scripture, letting God be the absolute authority at any subject I look at.

And I just love doing that. So it's great to be back on the show with you. Well, thanks.

Dinosaurs and the Secular Evolutionary Worldview

So let's get into the fact that I think when we all have a love for dinosaurs, I mean, this is one of the things that I find so interesting. Every child seems to be just inundated with things about dinosaurs.

And what seems to come along with dinosaurs all the time is millions of years. Millions of years. It's almost as if they're one and the same. In fact, after I got saved and started going to church, I used to go to more of the independent Fundamentalist Baptist churches.

And some of those churches, not the one I attended, but some of those that also believe in the King James only, would deny that dinosaurs existed. I got into discussion with someone, and the reason they denied dinosaurs existed is because they could not separate dinosaurs from evolution.

Can we as Christians do that?

You know what? I've seen other denominations do that, too. I've also seen some people who are kind of a little bit older. They've had that concept going, hold on a second. Dinosaurs, they've just been so intertwined with an evolutionary worldview that people, they just want to throw the baby out with the bathwater.

And we have to be very careful about that. You know, I grew up in a church where we never really talked about dinosaurs at all. We just kind of left it all off. And essentially what happened was my parents sent me to a public school.

That's where I learned about dinosaurs from the secular world, and our church never discussed it at all. So I mean, I can see why so many people struggle with getting good answers when it comes to the subject of dinosaurs.

And I'll tell you, when I started studying this subject, this one here was the one that really got me to turn around and go, okay. The Bible really can be trusted on any subject. That's where I led when I was doing this study on dinosaurs years ago.

You know, I mean, I've been working on this book for five years. But at the same time, I first got into a lot of the creation evolution debate as a result of reading a book on dinosaurs in the Bible. By Ken Ham, actually.

He'd written one many years ago. And little did I know, many years later, I would marry his oldest daughter. So I always thought that was kind of neat. But no, that got me interested in the subject going, hold on.

Dinosaurs don't have to be connected to an evolutionary worldview. Dinosaurs are land animals. Therefore, they're made on day six. It's as simple as that. Man was made on day six, so they lived at the same time.

All of a sudden, that is a conflict with the secular worldview that we've all just been hit with. And to me, that was like an eye-opening moment, like, oh, hold on. Yeah, we can look at dinosaurs from a biblical viewpoint.

Of course, we can separate dinosaurs from that secular worldview. We need to remember it's the secular view that's wrong. It is a false religion, a false view that's been imposed on people. And let's get back and look at the subject in light of God and His Word.

The Word Dinosaur, Dragons in Scripture, and Unicorns

Yeah, because I think that part of the thinking is that the word dinosaur, it's not actually all that old.

No, it's a new word. Mid -1800s, a man named Sir Richard Owen, he was the one who first coined it or termed it. He came up with dinosaur and dinosauria and used that. And, you know, with that particular terminology, that's a new term.

Now, if you think of Bible translations into English, you might think of the 15 and 1600s. There was Tyndale, the Geneva Bible. There was the Great Bible, the Matthews Bible, the Bishop's Bible. People are arguing over those Bibles.

So finally, they came together and said, let's get a standardized translation. They got the King James in 1611. And, of course, it's gone through a lot of revisions. And what a lot of people don't realize is most of our modern translations, one way or another, still have roots and ties back to versions like the King James.

But if you think of that, okay, we have English translations, a lot of them, you know, by the 1600s. And yet the word dinosaur wasn't even invented until 1841. We don't expect to find the word dinosaur in the Bible.

In fact, you grab a Bible search program, search dinosaur, it's just not there. But there is another word that's used in the Bible that does include creatures like dinosaurs. And that brings us to the word dragon.

And the King James Old Testament is used 22 times. And the old Geneva Bible is 24 times. And it's not one word, and it's not one isolated book. There's about two or three words that we translate as dragon.

And we see that in a host of different translations as well, like German translations and Portuguese and Greek translations and so forth. So we do see this word being used as dragon for a long time. And it's just been in modern times that people decided, hey, let's pull the word dragon out, unless it's a metaphorical instance.

You know, they like to keep a handful of those in there. But by and large, it's there in these old classic translations.

So that's, I mean, that also goes to some that a lot of atheists usually would challenge on the word unicorns in the Bible. And so for folks who don't, if you read a King James version, I don't hear this argument as much anymore because people aren't reading the King James, but it used to be a very common thing of, oh, well, you know, unicorns are mentioned in the Bible.

And those we know those are fictitious creatures. Well, the modern definition is. But in 1611, a single horned animal like a rhinoceros, a single horned rhinoceros. And that was what it was in Webster's dictionary was a single horned animal such as a rhinoceros.

And so I've seen unicorns.

Dragons, Extinction, and the Meaning of Dinosaur

Yeah, I've got a picture on my door out here, you know, because there's two types of rhinosaurs. They have two different scientific names as well. You have the rhinoceros bicornis and the rhinoceros unicornis.

And unicornis obviously has one horn. The bicornis has two horns. A lot of people think of a two horned form, but there are some one horned unicorns, essentially a rhinoceros unicornis that are still floating around out there.

But back in the past, there was a big one. Elasmosaurus, if I'm trying to think of the term right. I can't remember the technical term. But it was this gigantic horn that had a singular horn. And you know what?

The way that's used in the Scripture, you know, God is going to bring the Israelites out of Egypt like a unicorn. You know, you get out of its way. Yeah. Especially with that big horn.

So, yeah. Yeah, people don't realize that. So dragons, you're saying, and I would agree, is dragons are referring to the same creatures that we refer to today as dinosaurs.

Yeah, there's an overlap with all that. Dragon is more of an overarching term. But let me first explain. When it comes to dragons, people, commentators, historians, everybody agreed that they were real.

It's only been a modern idea really since about the 1900s. It was floating around in the 1800s that dragons are a myth. Now, here's why. Ancient commentators talked about them. We have descriptions of them.

We have written accounts of them. We have encounters with them over and over again. But in the 1800s, they were largely gone. From the 1500s particularly to the 1800s, we saw a massive decline in these encounters with these dinosaur, dragon-like creatures.

So in the 1800s, there's only a couple of them. But people had this strange and odd idea that animals could not go extinct. It was very odd that people used to think that way. Today, we understand animals go extinct all the time.

We've seen dodo birds and passenger pigeons, and a lot of people think West African rhino has gone extinct. We see extinctions all the time. But in the 1800s, they didn't think that could happen. So if you didn't see a creature, they thought, well, it was a myth.

It didn't exist. And so that started floating around in the 1800s that, hey, maybe these things are a myth. And if that's the case, let's change some of our Bible translations. Let's get this word dragon out.

Let's switch it to something else. But dragon itself is more of an overarching term. It included flying reptiles. It included sea reptiles, as well as a host of different land reptiles. That would have included these dinosaurs.

See, dinosaurs are a very specific type of land reptile. They have one of two hip structures, so they raise their body up off the ground. So something like a Komodo dragon, crocodile, alligator, they're not technically a dinosaur because their legs come out to their side and the body naturally rests on the ground.

But if it stands upright like a T. rex or a stegosaur or a triceratops, yes, by definition, they're a dinosaur. So, yes, dragons would include the dinosaurs, but it also includes other things. I like to say it like this.

All the dinosaurs could be called a dragon, but not all the dragons could technically be called a dinosaur.

Why Children Are Fascinated by Dinosaurs

So why is it, do you think, that we have such a fascination with dinosaurs? Why is it that every child seems to love, especially boys, love dinosaurs? You know what? When I was a kid, I loved dinosaurs.

You're exactly right with that. I think there's a fascination behind it for a couple of reasons. First off, we don't see them anymore. So we have this wonder in our mind, like, wow, what would it really be like to see something like this?

The second thing is a lot of these dinosaurs were huge creatures. You know, we don't sit there and get mesmerized over little bitty insects that have gone extinct. But, you know, you start thinking of a brachiosaurus, I'm 60 feet long.

Yeah, I'd be curious to see that sort of thing. I think there's a couple of reasons for that. So, you know, I know when I was a kid, I was really influenced by dinosaurs. In fact, I still have the book.

Let me grab it. I was in grade school and I was in one of those scholastic clubs, you know, where you can buy a book and it's like 35 cents. Nobody can buy a book for 35 cents. But this was the book I bought.

I still have it. The Rest of the Dinosaurs by Troll Associates, very first line of the book, millions of years ago. Now, as a child, I mean, I grew up in church. As a child, though, this book to me was the gospel of dinosaurs.

To me, this was the unquestionable truth. They died at the end. This last one got caught in a tree. I mean, that's the way I thought as a young child, as a young boy who was really interested in dinosaurs.

I was heavily influenced by this book. That's one of the reasons that I want to get books out to start challenging the secular worldview. Get people back to understanding them from a biblical viewpoint.

Because it was tough for me to take some of these ideas that I grew up with and have to pull that out and say, hold it. That was wrong.

Let me get back to the Bible. Yeah, because when we have all the movies now that come out, the Jurassic Park, and I only saw the I saw the first one. And that was what in the 90s, I believe. But it was way back.

Yeah, it was so heavily influenced with evolutionary thought and teaching and feminism. And it was I noticed it. It was so blatant that I was like, wow, OK, it why would I watch any more of them? But the thing is, is that the there the whole culture seems to want to tie that.

Look, we see we have evidence of dinosaurs as if that is proof. We have evidence of millions of years. And you're right. We're infatuated with the large dinosaurs. But were they all that large?

No, there's a lot of dinosaurs are quite small. Heterodontosaurus, for example, is about the size of a chicken. I know that's one of those ones that's, you know, the name is bigger than that creature.

But, you know, there's a lot of them that were small. I think they said if you take all the dinosaurs, you average them out. It's about the size of a bison or a horse, something like that. Just give you an idea.

So not all of them are big. We're fascinated usually with the big ones. You know, like you mentioned, Jurassic Park, Jurassic World, they sometimes exaggerate dinosaurs. Like they have these velociraptors that look, you know, six, seven, eight feet tall running around chasing people.

But, you know, when it comes down to it, they were there. They would only come about waist high on me. So that's a full size one. Now, there were other raptors like a Utah raptor, not a velociraptor. It was a little bit taller.

But you got to understand Hollywood tends to exaggerate things. And they're pushing an agenda many times, too. And you see it in these movies, Jurassic World and even Journey to the Center of the Earth.

You know, they had T-Rex's chasing people. We don't even know. Maybe these creatures were very timid and very fearful of man. You know, and yet, you know, a lot of these dragon legends, there were accounts where there were conflicts, of course.

Ever since the flood, the fear of man has been in the animals, and there's conflicts. But, yeah, it's interesting the way Hollywood puts their spin on things.

You're not saying Hollywood would exaggerate. Oh, no.

They're in the business of selling movies. You know, if they can scare you with a dinosaur, you go back and buy a second ticket.

Reptilian Dinosaurs, Bird Evolution, and Mutations

Yeah, no, I think I disagree. I think they're in the business of selling propaganda. They're in the business of selling an agenda. And part of that agenda requires a denial that God exists and teaching anything that would undercut the belief in God.

So, making dinosaurs and millions of years connection is going to go right along with what their agenda is, for sure. Right. So, you know, when we talk about the dinosaurs, the large dinosaurs, many of those would be in the reptile family, right?

Correct. We see skin imprints.

They were scaly creatures. Technically, you know, with these dinosaurs, they would have been more like scutes. They're specialized forms of scales. So, I mean, we find that with T. rex, with all sorts of different creatures.

You know, right there where they died. You know, we can tell it's their skin imprints. You know, in a few cases, we found some soft tissue found in bones. We've got some incredibly preserved dinosaurs in some instances.

So, yeah, we're pretty certain these things were reptilian in their style. We have found some lungs that had been preserved in certain dinosaurs, and those were reptilian-style lungs. But, you know, we're in a culture that says dinosaurs evolved into birds.

And so, you know, we're in a culture that really wants to try to tie dinosaurs into bird-like creatures. And so, people try to make missing links. And the way they do that is they take dinosaurs and they try to put bird-like features on it.

The second way is they take birds and they try to put reptilian-type features on it. You know, Archaeopteryx is a great example of that. It's an ancient perching bird, but it had claws on its wings and it had teeth.

And they say, oh, well, those are reptilian features. Well, not really. There are some birds that have teeth, like hummingbirds can have teeth, particular ones. And Hyacinth down in South America, they have claws on the wings in the juvenile stage.

You know, so those are features of a bird. In fact, all birds have this gene that you can turn on and off. And they've done this in chickens where it'll grow teeth. It's a TALID2 gene. So those are simply bird features.

But people want to say, well, they're reptilian features to try to make a missing link.

I think I want my chicken without the teeth. Yeah, me too. I still remember in high school, I watched— it was a cartoon of how the dinosaurs, they got into birds and they had this, you know, little like dinosaur that wasn't very big running up a log or a rock and jumping off of it.

And then eventually it would gain wings and then eventually fly away. And they explained like, you know, flying squirrels were the evidence of that. They showed us a cartoon of a flying squirrel doing the same thing.

And they had the, you know, mammals that went into the sea. And suddenly, you know, they became, you know, whales and dolphins. And I still remember thinking back then like, OK, if you keep jumping off a big rock or you go into the sea and you're not equipped for it, you're not going to suddenly stay there and produce offspring that can adapt better to that.

You're going to either die or get out. You're going to die. Here, jump off the cliff. Yeah, yeah. Or you sit in water, you're not equipped for it. You're not going to survive in there. So you're just going to get out of the water.

You're not going to reproduce children that are better equipped for that.

Right. In fact, it's interesting that they do that because we'll still see examples of that over and over again. And yet that's called Lamarckian evolution. The evolutionists, by and large, don't even believe that form of evolution.

This was like the precursor form before Charles Darwin. You know, it was the kind, you know, where, well, if the giraffe reaches his head up enough, he's going to get a longer neck to eat those high leaves.

But, you know, as we've observed, you don't get Lamarckian evolution. And, you know, Darwin's like, yeah, that's wrong, you know, even though he had a little bit of influence from that. You know, and he was suggesting natural selection.

The problem with natural selection, though, is you have to have the genes already there to select for it. So where did they come from in the first place? And I think Darwin recognized that by his sixth and final edition of Origin of Species.

He really backed off of natural selection being the sole generator for an evolutionary worldview. And then people, of course, want to appeal to mutations. But we don't see mutations cause all this information gaining mutations to make something new.

New complex structures and features, we don't observe it. When we see mutations, it's like cancer or defects. It destroys information quickly. So those changes are actually going in the opposite direction of an evolutionary worldview.

We're not observing the onward and upward. We're seeing the downward trend. And I think a lot of people are confused at that because they're told an evolutionary worldview at school, and they're given examples of changes, but these examples of changes are going in the wrong direction, and they just assume they're moving on out.

Reptiles, Lifespans, and Dinosaur Extinction After the Flood

Yeah. Well, the thing I find interesting with reptiles, and this I learned out there at Answers in Genesis when I was there, reptiles continue to grow until the day they die. And so this has been something I've used often.

I'll ask people, okay, so you believe dinosaurs are millions of years old. Yes. Do we have dinosaurs today? And people almost always say no because what they're thinking of is the huge dinosaurs. And I'll ask them sometimes, like, why not?

Like, do you not see any? And they'll always refer to the big, where do you think they're hiding? What do you think, Loch Ness Monster? And the point I end up making, I say, okay, if reptiles continue to grow until the day they die, and we know that human beings, instead of dying in their 60s, 70s, we're dying in their 800s, 900s, you're talking about a 12 to 15 increase in lifespan.

I mean, shouldn't we expect the dinosaurs to be 12 to 15 times larger?

Yeah. Theoretically, they should be getting bigger if they're living longer, especially in a pre-Flood world. You know, I mean, you've got to think, when God created everything, he created it perfect.

And yes, when Adam and Eve sinned against God, God cursed the ground, He cursed the animals. There were definitely changes going on there. These creatures were not going to live forever, for example, but they're still going to live a long time because the Earth was designed perfectly.

After the Flood, you know, God rearranged continents and things were shifted. Everything was all mixed up and messed up. You know, we're going to get more extreme weather and so forth, so things aren't always going to have a perfect environment like it was essentially designed for.

So, yeah, we expect there to be massive changes. And since the Flood, that's when we really believe a lot of these creatures have gone extinct, not just dinosaurs, but a host of different things. You know, I sometimes sit back and wonder something else, too.

And I actually talk about this in the book. In 1973, we enacted the Endangered Species List. How many things would have been extinct if we wouldn't have enacted that? I mean, we probably wouldn't have bald eagles.

We probably wouldn't have rhinos or elephants or lions or tigers or cheetahs. A host of different creatures are probably gone, condors. We might well be sitting around going, I wonder if lions were a myth.

You know, I wonder if elephants are a myth. You know, we see these old drawings in these accounts, but we just don't see them anymore. So, you know, it would almost be in the same category as these dinosaur dragon-like creatures.

So, you know, when I think of things like that historically, there were certain events that caused certain extinctions. I think people were involved in hunting a lot of these creatures. I mean, let's face it today.

When hunters go out, you know, and I've been a hunter. I, you know, grew up on a farm. You know, the deer that I'd want to shoot wasn't the little one. It was the big one. I want that big one. You know, that's the trophy, you know, in one sense.

I wonder if ancient hunters were the same way. Hey, there's a huge reptile out here. That's the one I want. You know, so in one sense, they're a target if they're bigger.

Well, see, if you just enjoy the meat, you want the smaller ones. It's all about what you're hunting for, right? You want the trophy. You want the big, something big. If you're trying to feed a lot of people, you want something, you want a lot of meat.

Yep. So it always comes down to the goal, right, of why you're hunting there. But you're right. There is the aspect that the size does, I think the size of the dinosaurs do fascinate us. I mean, folks who are listening, think about how many times do you go to a museum and you see the skeleton?

Now, here's the thing. You see that huge skeleton of a T-Rex or you see the huge skeleton of a blue whale. Both impress us. So I don't think it's about the fact they went extinct as much as it is the size that we're impressed with.

The fact that we don't see them anymore, that so many have gone extinct, I think just, I think that that fascinates us. But so many try to argue that proves millions of years. So do we have biblical evidence that we could use to say, well, yeah, yeah, dinosaurs exist.

And by the way, just remind folks, we're speaking with author Bodie Hodge from Dinosaurs, Dragons, and the Bible. It is available, what's available at Master's Books, but I'm sure it's also available at Answers in Genesis.

So you could go there. I would hope they carry your book.

Yeah. Yeah, it's been flying off the shelves actually here. Yeah.

So, and I mean, because it is helpful for, look, if you are a parent with young children or in my case now a grandparent, this is a book that I'll be sitting down with and teaching, even if I'm not reading it or having my grandson read it, you know, when he's much younger.

It's going to be something I'm going to be teaching them, the things of it. So do we have biblical evidence for dinosaurs or as you said, dragons?

Biblical Evidence for Dinosaurs, Dragons, and the Flood

Yeah, you know what, we're all looking at the same evidence. I think that's a big point that a lot of people need to understand. It's not like the evolutionists have their evidence and we have our evidence.

We're all looking at the same evidence. The difference is the interpretation of that evidence. Of course, the secular world wants to look at dinosaurs thinking in terms of a secular humanistic worldview.

That is big bang evolution, millions of years. We're going to look at it from a different perspective. We're going to start with God and His Word. God created everything in six days, made the dinosaurs on day six.

God made the flying reptiles and the sea reptiles on day five, because those are the flying and the sea creatures. Now, we do find their bones. We find massive numbers of them. We find these different dinosaur graveyards in Mongolia and China, here in the United States and different parts of the world.

So we do find their bones. We find this evidence that they used to exist and they died in some sort of massive watery catastrophe. That's the flood of Noah's day. That's what we need to do. We need to recognize, hey, these rock layers from Cambrian largely up to Eocene, Miocene, things like that.

These are layers from the flood of Noah's day. And I know the Post-Flood Boundary people do argue the exact spot for that. But the dinosaur layers, everybody that's looking at it from a biblical viewpoint agree, these rock layers are from the flood of Noah's day.

So when you think Cretaceous, Triassic, Jurassic sediment, where dinosaurs are, Noah's floating around in the ark up above them when those are being laid down. So we need to look at this evidence from a biblical viewpoint.

In the secular world, they assume those rock layers were laid down slowly and gradually over millions and billions of years with no major catastrophes like a flood. No, no, no, we're not looking at it that way.

We're thinking in terms of a massive worldwide global flood that laid down the majority of these rock layers that have fossils all in about the course of a year. So we're looking at the same evidence, two different interpretations of that evidence.

Rock Layers, Fossils, and the Global Flood

Okay, so this is a topic a lot of people don't quite understand when you talk about the layers. Because the teaching that we have in books are that there are these different periods of time and we have dinosaurs in different layers.

And that's how we could prove the millions of years. We have the Capernaum explosion, right? Where all of a sudden we see all these fossils. After this break, what I want to do is ask you to explain in a little bit more detail for some people that don't understand all of the layers and levels.

How can we explain this? Because so many use it for millions of years. We really see it in a bulk of them in a single layer, right? So let's dig into that. And I know I don't want people to go, oh, well, this is all this stuff of layers of the Jurassic.

Well, the Jurassic they get excited about because of the movie you made about it. But when you talk about all the other layers, it's like, oh, this is so boring. Well, we don't want to put you to sleep.

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Then you'll get not only a good night's sleep, but you can get robes and towels and bed sheets and mattress toppers and slippers. And they even have socks. I may try those. But I don't know if there's anything different with those.

So we're with Bodhi Hodge with the book Dinosaurs, Dragons, and the Bible. He is with Answers in Genesis. And so, Bodhi, let me ask the question I asked before the break is, can you explain a little bit better for folks that may not understand all the geological layers?

Because when we talk about those layers, all those words sound so big, except for Jurassic because a movie was made out of it. That one everyone knows. But do we really see different dinosaurs in different layers and only in those layers?

And is there a layer that I alluded to that really we see most of them in and what could that mean?

Okay, just so people understand, the idea of millions and billions of years actually came from rock layers. It was in the late 1700s, early 1800s when people first started to say, let's leave the Bible out of it.

Let's leave that global flood out of it. And let's look at rock layers. And so at that point, they started defining the rock layers based on what it's made out of. Is it made of limestone or sandstone?