Infant Baptism?

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But speaking the truth and love, we are to grow up in all aspects into him. Who is the head? Even Christ.

So tonight, when we have this discussion or as I go through this article,

I want to speak truth and love. So first and foremost, this.

This environment will be safe and my intentions are to be non offensive.

So if you've noticed. If you've noticed that the topic that we're going to be discussing tonight or looking at tonight, it's infant baptism.

And thus far, I've tried to steer away from some of the differences between our denominations.

But this one seems to be a topic that is being discussed a lot in the in the circles that that I'm in, that it's mainly

Baptist and Presbyterian. And there are some people who are switching from one to the other.

There are some that are taking a firm stance where they are. There are some who have switched and then switched back.

So this is a this is a very interesting. This is a very hot topic at this time. And like I said, in the circles that I'm communicating with right now.

So that's why I wanted to to share that topic and do this video tonight.

It is not it is not to be offensive to any certain denomination.

So if you are let me start off like this. If you are Presbyterian, if you are

Methodist, if you are Lutheran and I think also the

Wesleyan church, I think they baptize infants.

Someone can correct me if I'm wrong. If you are Wesleyan, if you believe in the essentials of Scripture, of Christianity, if you believe in the essentials, we are brothers and sisters in Christ.

Keep on baptizing those babies if that is your conviction. I'm not here to try to persuade you tonight against your convictions.

But I just wanted to start my own conversation about the topic and and hopefully

I can talk to some smart guys. I have some friends that are that are really smart, smarter than I am, and we can we can have further discussion about this question about this particular doctrine in our churches.

But please, please don't be offended. And I think this this video is about going after one of your core doctrines, one of your core beliefs in your church.

It's not we're still brothers and sisters in Christ. Hold on to that conviction. I enjoy having a conversation about our differences because iron sharpens iron and I can learn.

I have a lot to learn. I have a long ways to go and I can grow and I believe everyone else can, too.

I believe everyone else is in the same situation. No matter how many people attend your church, no matter how many doctors you have, there's always room to grow.

And I'm in that position and I believe everybody else is in that position. We all have room to grow and iron will sharpen iron when we look at God's word and we rely on him and what he has to tell us.

So with that being said, there's that caveat that this is in no way trying to offend anybody.

But I would like to have, you know, a discussion with you. Thank you, John, for watching.

And if you have any input on on the topic, on the discussion, I'd love to hear from you.

What tonight is going to be is very, very simple, very, very simple.

It's going to be and even in Baptist circles, if you're not a Baptist, you may not be aware of this.

Or even if you are Baptist, there are different there are so many different beliefs.

Sometimes we're naive and we think that I'm a part I'm part of a certain denomination.

And, you know, everything is just has already been nailed down. And this is what everybody believes.

Sometimes we're not even that area, but it is not the case.

Even in the Baptist denomination, there are so many different branches and beliefs in the

Baptist denomination. So I'm going to put it to you like this. I'm going to be looking at an article and responding as we look at it.

And it's really not an article. It's just a list from my personal

Baptist perspective. And so I'm not representing anybody else is my my personal

Baptist perspective. One of my friends that I've met in the circles that I was referring to earlier,

I met him in this circle. And he posted this this website, this article.

And I and I told him that I would like to do a video on it. So I'm looking forward to hearing from him as as I go through this article.

But is it is a list and I'm going to go ahead and put the website up.

I want to share the website on the screen. Let's see here. I don't think that you can see it.

All right. The the website is purely Presbyterian. It says it's a website powered by WordPress dot com.

And the title of it is 20. And that's why I said it's not really an article. It's just a list. 20

Bible passages. And this is the intriguing part. 20 Bible passages that prove infant baptism.

Now, of course, as we as I mentioned earlier, you have you have

Methodist, you have Lutheran, you have Wesleyan and you have Presbyterian. And to a degree,

I think the method is different in different denominations and how they they perform the act of infant baptism.

And their understanding of that, that theology is different in different denominations.

So there is a wide array. And that doesn't mean anything that should not reflect any at all on Christianity, on the

Bible. It just reflects on us and our inabilities to come together in doctrine.

We're just human beings. And we are. And it doesn't mean that we shouldn't continue to strive.

And that's what I'm doing here tonight, striving to come together in doctrine and just see.

I'm going to come out from, like I said, my personal Baptist perspective. And I'd love to hear from you on this this topic as we go through.

So what I'm going to do, all this is, is 20 Bible passages. No, no commentary from the author.

It's he just writes out the verses that prove infant baptism.

I'm going to read each verse and I'm going to give this is not going to be academic.

This is not going to be offensive or pointing fingers.

This is not going to be. It's just going to be very simple, very simple, because I'm I'm not a smart individual.

The so many of my friends are so much smarter than I am. Their memories are so much better and I appreciate the gifts that God has given them.

But this is going to be my simple response to each of these verses.

And you may or may not be able to read these verses as we look at them. But the

Web site is purely Presbyterian dot com. And that's where you can find this article. And let's look at the first one together.

Now, remember, these are supposed to be proves 20 Bible passages that prove infant baptism.

Now, here's the first one. Genesis 17, 7. And I will establish my covenant between me and thee and thy seed after thee and their generations for an everlasting covenant to be a

God and to thee and to thy seed after thee. Now.

Many, many, many of these just so that we don't have to spend as much time on the rest of the verses that are like this, but there's going to be a lot of the verses through the 20 that we look at that are like this one.

Where my first response is there, there's no evidence there. There's no evidence.

There's no mention of infant baptism in that passage. And the response may be from my friends that are that are

Presbyterian or another denomination that would that would use this verse as a proof for baptism.

They would maybe say that, well, you need to understand this, the doctrine of covenant, covenant theology.

You need to understand covenants. You need to understand what he's talking about when he says seed. You need to understand this verse so that you can understand that verse.

And so that we don't have to go through this with with all these other verses. I want to read them to you and show you the proofs that they give out.

But it's going to be very similar with with many of these other verses, just like this one, where there's no mention of infant baptism.

There is excuse me, having a phone call and I needed to end it.

There's no mention of infant baptism. There's no evidence for it. And to me, it's not a proof.

These are supposed to be a verse that that is giving me proof for infant baptism.

Now, I want to understand where where these guys are coming from, where my friends are coming from that believe in infant baptism.

I want to understand it more fully. I want to understand it in a deeper way. But when you say this is a verse that proves infant baptism, but you have to do a whole bunch of other explaining from what does you know, what does covenants mean?

What does covenant theology mean? What does what does he mean by seed and how does that relate to the covenants?

When you have to do a whole lot of extra explaining before you can get to this verse,

I have a hard time understanding how this verse and some others are going to be a proof, a proof text for infant baptism.

So I don't see it there in that one. Verse number two or example, number two,

Acts chapter two, verses thirty eight to thirty nine, then Peter said unto them, repent and be baptized.

Every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ. For the remission of sins and you also and you shall receive the gift of the

Holy Ghost. But the promise is unto you and to your children and to all that are far off, even as many as the

Lord our God shall call. Now, there's no mention of infant baptism here.

It does say to the promises to your children, but it doesn't mention infant baptism.

If you were just to read this verse on its own, like we just did, you wouldn't come to any conclusions of infant baptism.

And like again, once my friend, when my friend watches this video and he comes up with a response, this is this is not a negative attack toward towards you or or towards my brothers and sisters that are

Presbyterian or any other denomination. This is just my reflection as I read what what

I'm thinking as I'm looking at it. So I just wanted to to make that clear.

You know, there's there's no evidence there. And in fact, Peter is asking or Peter is saying unto them, repent.

So this is something that they must do. And to be able to repent, you have to have an understanding.

You have to have a knowledge of what sin is, what transgression of the law is or what the law is.

You've got to know what repentance is. You've got to know the relationship between repentance and and the law and and who you're repenting to, why you need to repent there.

There's to be able to do something. You've got to understand what it is and why you're doing it or just doesn't make sense.

And if Peter is calling them to repent, then how does an infant have the capacity to do that?

I don't understand that. So the promise, the promise is for our children.

But it's when they're, you know, at the point where they can repent and understand what repentance is and how to do that, why it's important.

I hope that makes sense. And so that's that's a lot of what we're going to see here in these verses. Example number three, it comes from.

Yeah, you can still screen. Example number three, Romans four, 11 and 12.

And he received the sign of circumcision, a seal of the righteous of the faith, which he had yet being which he had yet being uncircumcised, that he might be the father of all of them that believe.

Though they be not circumcised, that righteousness might be imputed unto them also and the father of circumcision to them who are not of the circumcision only, but who also walk in the steps of that faith of our father,

Abraham, which he had being yet uncircumcised. So I hope it don't break up.

It looks like I'm getting a poor signal. There we go. All right.

So with this verse, with Romans chapter four, verses 11 to 12, what we see here is, again, we don't see any evidence pointing to if you just take this verse as a standalone verse, it doesn't say anything about you should baptize your infants or why you should do that.

It doesn't even kind of. Leads you in that you wouldn't be thinking about that or thinking about going in that direction.

But what it does say is that Abraham is not the father of the circumcision only, but he's the father of those who are not circumcised.

Why? Because he's the father of them spiritually, father of all of them that believe, not all of them who have been circumcised, which many who believe in infant baptism say that baptism is a carryover sign where circumcision was a sign of your belonging to the covenant.

Baptism is going to be a sign that you are belonging to the covenant and it's a carryover.

It's the New Testament sign where circumcision was the Old Testament sign. And so here.

It doesn't matter if you're circumcised or not. Abraham is your father, not because you're circumcised or you're not circumcised, not because you're baptized, you're not baptized, but because.

You believe. So he's he's the father of our faith in that instance, our, you know, heritage type father, our father here on earth.

And so to me, it points to evidence of the opposite, not evidence toward infant baptism.

I know that makes sense. If you guys have any questions or comments or corrections, feel free to jump right in.

All I'm doing is going through an article, purelypresbyterian .com, and I'm on number four, four of 20, 20 proofs that was that 20

Bible passages, passages that prove infant baptism. So that's where we are. If you're just joining us.

Number four, number four is Romans 1116. And some of these we can go through pretty quickly because it's going to be very similar to what we've talked about before.

Romans 1116, for if the first fruit be holy, the lump is also holy.

And if the root be holy, so are the branches. If you just take that as a standalone verse, there's got to be further explanation.

And so. I don't see how you can make a list like this that say this proves infant baptism, because you've got to have a lot of stuff, a lot of information, a lot of other verses, a lot of definitions leading up to Romans 1116 to get you to where, oh, 1116 is leading me to infant baptism because standalone.

I don't see it. The first is if the first fruit be holy, the lump is holy.

So I'm sure they may relate that to the father being our patriarch, the federal headship.

And so. The children are sanctified or saved or in the household when the woman is saved and the husband is not saved because we're holiness, they kind of go in that direction because there's a there's kind of a covering or sanctification that happens because there is

Christ in the household. And I think this verse kind of leads into that. But. I would need further explanation.

We'll leave it at that. I would need for that further explanation of how this verse leads to infant baptism.

And so, therefore. I'm not sure how it can be a standalone verse verse. For the unbelieving husband is sanctified.

And here's one of those verses. If the unbelieving husband is sanctified by the wife and the unbelieving wife is sanctified by the husband.

Else where your children were your children unclean, but now they are holy.

It doesn't say anything about infant baptism. We would have to have further explanation and lead up to help us understand why that why that refers to infant baptism from.

Your perspective, if you if you hold to infant baptism number six at the same time, said the

Lord, will I be the God of all the families of Israel and they shall be my people.

These are beautiful verses. And, you know, at the same time, said the

Lord, will I be the God of all the families of Israel and they shall be my people. What a beautiful promise that, you know, we are his people, that Israel was his people, that.

We were his possession and there's so much glory and marvelous, amazing.

Grace and power and security and hope. In these verses, but it needs further explanation to help us understand what would lead to infant baptism just because it says the word families.

We want to tie it to infant baptism. So I'm not sure about that.

How how all that works and how that tying together works on number seven. And all the children,

Isaiah 54, 13, and all the children shall be taught of the Lord and great shall be the peace of the children.

Beautiful verse. Our children should be taught by the Lord and according to this promise will be taught by the

Lord. But how it leads us to infant baptism, I'm unsure. And if you're just joining us,

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Number seven. Let's go to number seven. Number seven is Isaiah 5413. I think that's where we are.

And all our children shall be taught of the Lord and great shall be the peace of that children. Wonderful promise.

We want that to happen. But there's there's no proof there of infant baptism.

It doesn't lead me to infant baptism. And if you're just joining me, we're talking about infant baptism tonight.

Meaning no offense to our brothers and sisters who are Methodist, Wesleyan, Lutheran or Presbyterian.

What we want to do is is look at a article from purely

Presbyterian .com. Twenty. Twenty Bible passages that prove infant baptism.

Look at them from my personal Baptist perspective. And then we can get your your thoughts on it.

Example number eight. Isaiah 61 8 through 9. For I, the Lord, love judgment.

I hate robbery for burnt offering. And I will direct their work in truth. And I will make an everlasting covenant with him.

And their seed shall be known among the Gentiles. And and their offspring among the people.

All that see them shall acknowledge them and that they are the seed which the

Lord hath blessed. Again, we've got to have a lot of buildup before we understand that you're using this verse to understand infant baptism.

And here we could be talking about offspring of faith.

I'm not not necessarily biological offspring, but but offspring of faith, because Abraham is is our father.

We call him Father Abraham for a reason, because he's our spiritual father in the faith. And so oftentimes we have that type language of of spiritual relationship, spiritual family, spiritual father.

And we don't want to get that mixed up. Example number nine, Isaiah 65 23.

They shall not labor in vain nor bring forth trouble, for they are the seed of the blessed of the

Lord and their offspring with them. Yes, this this verse talks about offspring seed.

We're talking about people that come after us. But again, no evidence there.

Example number 10, Isaiah 40 11. He shall feed his flock like a shepherd. He shall gather the lambs with his arm and carry them in his bosom and shall gently lead those that are with young.

No evidence there. How do you use that verse to prove infant baptism? And when

I say, how do you use that verse? I'm asking the question, how do you use this as a standalone verse to prove infant baptism?

Those are the questions I'd like to have a conversation about it and learn more about.

Example number 11, Isaiah 59 21. As for me, this is my covenant with them, saith the

Lord. My spirit that is upon thee and my words, which I have put in thy mouth, shall not depart out of thy mouth, nor out of the mouth of thy seed, nor out of the mouth of thy seed seed.

Saith the Lord from henceforth forevermore. Again, there's no evidence leading us to infant baptism in this verse as a standalone verse.

It talks about covenant. It talks about seed. It talks about the seed seed. But, you know, as a

Baptist, from a Baptist perspective, you know, I don't have a problem with that. His words are going to be in hopefully in my seed when he's old enough to know what repentance is and turn from his sins and put his faith and trust in Jesus Christ.

So that's how we would receive and understand, you know, verses like that instead of understanding it to mean we need to baptize our infants.

Example number 12, Isaiah 44, 3 through 5.

For I will pour water upon him that is thirsty and floods upon the dry ground.

I will pour my spirit upon thy seed and my blessing upon thy offspring, and they shall spring up as among the grass as willows by the water courses.

One shall say, I'm the Lord's and another shall call himself by the name of Jacob and another shall subscribe with his hands into the

Lord and surname himself by the name of Israel. How can infants do that?

Yes, he says he will. He will do that for their he will do that for their seed and their offspring.

But what are these seed and offspring doing? He's pouring water on those who are thirsty.

Is an infant hungry or thirsty for God? Do they have that capability?

Those here at the end of the verse, one shall say,

I'm the Lord's. You know, do infants have that capability? We're prescribing an event to happen to someone that doesn't have the capability of responding and doing the things this verse says that the offspring and seed will be doing.

So I'm just not seeing how this verse points us to or would lead me to infant baptism.

And again, this is another one where I would say maybe this is speaking of offspring. Of the faith of example, number 13,

Psalm 78, verse five, for he established a testimony in Jacob and appointed a law in Israel, which he commanded our fathers that they should make them known to their children.

And I say, yes, and amen. Good verse, great verse.

We should follow that verse and that's we should love that verse and we should love his testimony and want to share his testimony with our children.

Maybe they're saying that part of that law, part of that testimony is circumcision, which now in the

New Testament is infant baptism or baptism in general to a household.

Maybe they're saying that's part of the law, the covenant that we should be teaching. But as a standalone verse,

I say to this, amen, love it. We should teach our children the law, the testimony of God, verse 14 or not verse 14, but but example number 14 of 20

Bible passages that prove infant baptism. It is Psalm 103, 17 through 18.

But the mercy of the Lord is from everlasting to everlasting upon them that fear him and his righteousness to children's children.

To to such to such as keep his covenant and to those that remember his commandments to do the.

We have the worst children and we have the worst children's children, but there's an action that is required that that is an action that is performed by the the children.

Those who are the beneficiary of of faith in God and the covenant.

It is those that remember his commandments to do them. An infant can't do that, does not have the mental capacity to do that.

And so once again, this verse does not speak of infant baptism.

It doesn't lead us to infant baptism. You have to have a lot of lead up and understanding of a whole lot of other things so that you can use this as a proof text for infant baptism.

And even when you do, it may it may say the word children.

But it gives some qualifications there to what these children will be doing.

Verse 15, not verse 15, example 15, Ephesians chapter one, verse one and chapter six, verse one.

Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ, by the will of God to the saints, which are deficits and to the faithful in Christ Jesus.

Children obey your parents and the Lord for this is right. Amen. No evidence that that I can see as a standalone verse for infant baptism.

Example 16, 1st John 2, 12 through 14. I write unto you, little children, because your sins are forgiven, are forgiven for his namesake.

I write unto you, fathers, because you have known him that is from the beginning. I write unto you, young men, because you have overcome the wicked one.

I write unto you, little children, because you have known the father.

I have written unto you, fathers, because you have known him that is from the beginning. I write unto you, young men, because you are strong and the word of God abideth in you and you have overcome the wicked one.

Talks about children, has the word children in the verse, but it doesn't say anything about baptizing.

And it's speaking to them. I can see how you could use these verses and say it is speaking to them as if they are members of some covenant of God, as they are members alongside the father, members alongside the young men in the context.

The children are members alongside these other folks inside the covenant.

So they're being spoken to as if they are in the covenant. But even if we'll say that's true, we don't have any evidence of infant baptism.

So that's the title of the article, 20 Bible verses that prove. Looks like it is set up to generation to generation to generation.

Okay, John, I hope you don't mind. I'm going to put you up here on the screen, but that's okay because it's a public comment and I want to share your thoughts.

John says, looks like it is set up to generation to generation. I don't know if I understand exactly what you mean.

So if you could give us another comment and a little more detail about what you mean by that,

I would appreciate it. And it would help me to understand where you're coming from because I would love to know your perspective.

So there's nothing in 1 John 2, 12 through 14 about infant baptism, which is supposed to be a verse that proves it, verses that prove it.

And then another thing that is possible, I think that John often calls all of us children or dear children.

He uses that term for not just young people, but people of all ages.

I'll have to look at these verses a little bit more. Is it possible that in these verses, the little children, the fathers, young men, they the same audience?

Is that the case in these verses? Maybe, I'm not sure. Even if it is, even if it's not.

There's still nothing leading us with these verses to baptize our infants.

You have to know a whole lot more background about where if you're a

Methodist or if you are a Wesleyan or if you're a Lutheran or if you're a Presbyterian, where you get your understanding of why we should baptize our infants and then lead us to this particular verse.

Does that make sense? I'm not trying to, and again, I want to reiterate, I'm not trying to put down any of those denominations, because there are many of those denominations that are my brothers and sisters in Christ, and we can lock arms in the gospel ministry, and I love doing that.

Let me finish my thought. I love joining together with people of other denominations, because we can get along if we agree on the essentials of the faith.

And here, when we have disagreements, we can look and study together

God's word and let iron sharpen iron, and we can grow in the faith together in these other doctrines of the faith.

And so John tells us, or this is what John says, these verses look like if traditional, not about baptism.

Yeah, I kind of get that vibe as well, John, that even though it says 20 proofs, 20

Bible passages that prove infant baptism, as standalone verses, that they're not really doing it.

But that's not to say that if that's what you hold, it is not a legitimate doctrine.

That's not what I'm saying at all. What I'm saying is I'm looking at a particular verse or article and their claims in those verses.

I do not believe the Bible teaches it. And so, like I said, I'm coming at it from my personal

Baptist perspective. And so I'm basically showing you as a

Baptist, from my Baptist perspective, if I read an article like this, this is how

I look at it. This is how I respond to it. And I hope it maybe will encourage you and help you.

That's my goal. We want to glorify God in how we communicate with each other.

We want to exalt Christ as we do it. So let's look at these last few verses together.

Luke 18, 15 through 17. And they brought unto him also infants.

Oh, we have the word infants, that he would touch them. But when his disciples saw it, they rebuked them.

But Jesus called them unto him and said, Suffer the little children to come unto me, and forbid them not.

For of such is the kingdom of God. Verily I say unto you, or truly I say unto you,

Whosoever shall not receive the kingdom of God as a little child shall no wise, so in no wise, enter therein.

So you've got to receive the kingdom as a little child.

Does that mean that you had to be baptized as an infant? I wasn't baptized as an infant.

Does that exclude me? I'm being facetious, and I'm being tongue -in -cheek here.

But, you know, does that mean that I've lost my chances to enter into the kingdom because I wasn't baptized as an infant, because I'm not coming,

I'm not receiving the kingdom as a little child, which little children should have been baptized?

So I apologize. I was being tongue -in -cheek and facetious. Again, yet we see the verses talk about infants.

This is a beautiful, beautiful passage that shows the love of Jesus, the mercy and the grace, the loving kindness of Jesus, where He would bring in and love on little children.

And maybe here it's speaking of their innocence, their full reliance, complete reliance, no hidden agenda.

All they want is Jesus and Him fully. How we get to infant baptism, as these verses being a stand -alone proof text,

I'm not sure. Jesus is teaching us that we have to have something.

Our receiving of the kingdom must look similar to that of how these children were approaching

Christ. But there was no baptism in this scene, in this context.

So I'm unsure about where they get this as a proof text. Example number 18,

Isaiah 45, verse 25. In the Lord shall all the seed of Israel be justified and shall glory.

So I ask the question in my notes, in the Lord, what does that mean? Because, listen to the verse again.

In the Lord shall all the seed of Israel be justified and shall glory.

Do you think every descendant of Israel will be in heaven?

If you want to take this verse kind of like an umbrella and say that it covers a whole group, then you're working your way towards a universalism type theology, where everyone is saved.

Everyone goes to heaven. Jesus died for everybody and everybody goes, but we know that's not the case. We know that not everyone is going to go to heaven.

Jesus even said, you may have said to me, Lord, Lord, did we not do these things in your name?

And he's going to say, depart from me, I never knew you. And so there's going to be those who do not make it, who fall under this umbrella that this verse is talking about.

So we can't use this verse as an umbrella type statement that we baptize them because they are under this umbrella type covenant.

Because the qualification at the beginning of the verse in the Lord, and there's a discussion.

You know, if the child is born into a Christian family, then they are in the

Lord. They are in that underneath that umbrella. And you can have that conversation. And there's many who can make that, you know, legitimate cases for that.

However, as a standalone verse, you've got to have a lot of background context to be able to use these verses.

Example number 20, the last one, and then we'll finish up. Unless you guys want to encourage us a little bit more with your questions or comments.

Number 20, in whom, this is Colossians 2, 11 through 12.

In whom also you are circumcised with the circumcision made with our hands.

In putting off the body of sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ.

Or of Christ, buried with him in baptism, wherein also you are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God.

Who have raised him from the dead. You've got to look at the qualifications.

You know, this is how I read it. This is how I respond to it. I'm thinking to myself, you've got to look at the qualifications in the verses.

If this is a proof text for infant baptism, you know, why are there the qualifications there?

You're buried with him in baptism, okay, but then wherein also you are risen with him through faith.

Can an infant have faith? An infant can't have faith. Just like the verses that we started off with.

Infant does not have the ability to repent. Does not have an understanding of what it is, what it's for, who we're repenting of, who we're repenting to.

And the same thing with faith here in Colossians chapter 2. They do not have the cognitive ability to have faith in the

Lord Jesus Christ. What that means, who they're having faith in, the reason they need to have faith.

They just don't have the ability. So again, as a standalone verse, you need more context.

And you can't use that as a proof text, as a standalone verse to prove infant baptism.

So that was the 20 examples from this article. And again,

I'm not putting down any certain nomination. I'm just, I wanted to do a video showing you how

I would read this article from my Baptist perspective. Looking forward to many other conversations that I'm going to have with my

Methodist, my Wesleyan, my Lutheran, my Presbyterian friends that practice infant baptism.

And we can learn together our different perspectives. And let iron sharpen iron.

Let us grow in the Lord together. And what he says. And we will grow to practice and obey what he says.

And that will please him if we obey him and do what he says.

So thank you guys for watching. Thank you for your comments. I look forward to further comments, questions.

And if anybody wants to join in and have this second video about the subject and do a video with me, you are more than welcome to have a conversation with me here on this platform.

Love to do it. If I can pray for you, let me know if I can do that. All you have to do is type me in the comments.

I'll see that. And I'll see your name. And I would love to be able to pray for you then. Let's do that now.

And we'll close things out. Father, we thank you for the time that you've given us together. Thank you for working in us through the

Holy Spirit. The ability to have differences but have differences with a loving attitude.

Father, would you teach us your ways so that we may obey your commands and do that which pleases you.

In Jesus' name we pray. Amen. Hope you guys have a great night. Remember that Jesus is king.

Go speak with the authority of Christ. Go live in the victory of Christ. And go share the gospel of Christ wherever you go.