Matt Slick Bible Study - 1-3-18

We'll see it comes on here on the feed I can watch give it a few seconds to. I'm gonna talk. I don't have anything planned at all except maybe something that happened on the radio today which is I thought was interesting and I used a particular verse that we've heard me you've heard me quote a thousand times but I use it in a different way and it stumped this this Catholic guy in the radio and I might be worth discussing a little bit whatever.

And then what we're gonna do tonight is I just take Q &A. Anybody's got any questions on Facebook. Instead of me doing a study. We'll just do Facebook. We'll just do Bible study. I mean we'll do Facebook and YouTube and we'll just do some Q &A from that.

So that's what I think we should do. Yeah yeah. So anyway all right. So anyway let's pray we'll just get started. Lord Jesus thank you for this time and I asked Lord that you had blessed nourish us with your word the truth of what it is you have for us Lord.

I asked for your your gracious insight into your word into the truth that you revealed. Lord I thank you for giving me the opportunity to be able to teach and I hope Lord that by your grace you would just open up hearts and minds of others to be able to hear your word and understand it.

We ask this Jesus your precious name. Amen. All right. So what we're doing tonight. I got the Facebook open right here so if anybody wants to ask questions on Facebook you can do that and also on YouTube I'm looking at that as well and so we've got a few people who are logged in right now and it'll increase as the night goes on because I don't have anything really prepped.

Well let's do an open kind of a session here and see how it goes. This is the first time this year and I'm still making decisions on continuing changing doing what a lot of things are happening in my life right now that are really kind of difficult to deal with.

And wife's health potential move the car ministry things like this. It's just you know it just happens in life we go through seasons of difficulties and good times bad times and hard times so having to deal with some of that.

I'm gonna chalk and hold on a sec while I get some chalk there we go and so if you got questions and comments you can put them there. So on the radio show today something interesting happened. A guy called up I don't know if anybody heard nobody here probably did but I know that some here like Charlie Spine did heard the radio show when a Catholic called but he said he's not a Catholic.

He says he's a Protestant and he thanked me for the Karm website and he's been using it for years but he's been looking into justification sanctification from a Roman Catholic perspective and that he is leaning that way.

Well actually he's not leaning that way. He believes in it because he was defending it and when I it just as often happens what I teach when I'm answering questions and this is not a braggart not in any way but it's often happens this all of a sudden a new something new come in.

Oh let me show you this way and and that's what happened today. While I was on the air it occurred to me to use a standard verse I've been quoting for a long time and Colossians 214 and use it a little bit different way not a big deal.

So what I did was in the context of our discussion the Roman Catholic I'll call him a Roman Catholic even though if he's watching he'll say no I'm not a Roman Catholic. He's certainly defending with Catholicism and it's it's heresy and the Roman Catholic Church is not a true Christian Church it's a false church and and so I can quote a lot of stuff from my website for the documents from their site where they teach justification by works basically and I wanted to go through two verses two pericopes but I look at one of them and I'll probably do both tonight to talk about something.

So Colossians 214 says Jesus having canceled the certificate of debt consisting of decrees which is hostile to us. He took it out of the way having nailed it to the cross all right now I've used that verse so many times in so many ways.

Now what happened was I didn't bring this up right away. I was talking to him and he was telling me I don't remember his and I'm trying to represent him accurately. So if he's watching if somebody who's watching remembers the conversation I don't accurately represent it.

That's not my intention. But he was confusing justification and sanctification. And he was saying that justification you've got basically what you have to do is be good and follow certain things and you'll be fine and that it's not a strictly legal issue.

And so what I did was I said okay I'm gonna show you that your position is wrong. And I said Jesus having canceled the certificate of debt. And I said as I've always said so many times you know sin is breaking the law of God first John 3 4.

And Jesus says our Father who art in heaven hallowed be thy name forgive us our debts. In Matthew 6 12 forgive us our sins in Luke 11 4. So Jesus equates sin with legal debt and it is a legal debt. And so Jesus canceled the sin debt at the cross Colossians 2 14.

I asked him where was the sin debt canceled. And he said he pinned and hawed a little bit. He had to think about it which is fine you know he sees the person's gonna okay. He said well at the cross. I said okay so it's canceled at the cross.

Now think about this in light of the issue of Roman Catholic doctrine of justification which is a process you go through right now the process of Roman Catholicism of justification is through the sacraments.

You get grace infused into you. And he used the word infusion. You get it infused into you when you are made more righteous by the more more grace you have infused into you the more justified the more righteous you are.

That's flaming friggin heresy. All right. We just say that unequivocally clearly that's from the pit of hell. It's a load of theological crap. Or if you know Polish it's guvna. And so having said that let me continue on with my delightful insight into this.

So I hate doctors. That damn people. Roman Catholic Church. Sheesh. So okay we're back on all right. There we go. So this stuff upsets me. Roman Catholicism upsets me because I know what it does. I actually started using some of the similar arguments I use with Mormons against him.

But nevertheless nevertheless. So so in light of this since they teach infusion and justification is a process you have to go through in order to make yourself more righteous with God by the infused grace of God through the sacraments.

All right. If Colossians 2 14 is true he canceled the certificate of debt at the cross then I remember correctly. I said I said when was the sin debt canceled. He said at the cross. I said was it canceled for everybody.

He actually said no. It's good. Because he said it right. Because if it were canceled for everybody then nobody could go to go to hell. It'd be universalism. I said you're correct. And we know that people are going to hell.

So he didn't cancel the sin debt for everybody. Right. Who did he cancel it for. And he says I'm not getting into Calvinism right now. And I said wait a minute. I'm just going through scriptures. I'm asking you questions.

And you're the one who brought up Calvinism. He says I know what you're doing. You're asking the questions a certain way. I'm just asking for what it says. These are just questions. This is just what it says.

I mean this is not leaning anywhere. This is what it says. He canceled the sin debt. I said the point I'm trying to make is this if he canceled the sin debt at the cross then how is it that you have to presently continue to do good things and keep the commandments in order to have your sins forgiven.

Have your sin debt canceled when it was already done at the cross. That's the question. It was really simple. Okay. And he paused. He you know he saw the point. And he didn't know what to say. And for a while.

And then he came out with this stuff of well you know it's the present sins are forgiven but your future ones are not. I said all the sins were future to Jesus at the cross. And I said they're all there.

And then he said well no the present ones today. But your future ones are not. And I want to say put your hand in front of your face. You know. And this is the kind of argumentation they had to go through.

Now think about this. This is sorry but it's really bad thinking because if it's the case that Jesus only how does this work. He only forgave some of your sins. Up to what. To today. What about yesterday.

Yeah about tomorrow. I think I asked him that he said no. Wait a minute. Why is today today. You know what's about today. That is the dividing line the dividing place. It just didn't make any sense. His arguments just fell apart at this point.

And the reason it falls apart is because Roman Catholic theology sucks canal water. It's wrong. And it's just it's not true. Now I'm gonna read some Catholic stuff here. Sorry. Roman Catholicism gets me going.

It's like a you know it's a burr in your underwear fires me up. You know. Yeah I could make some stupid comments even more stupid comments. I guess people would say look this is what it says in paragraph 2068 of the Catechism of the Catholic Church.

It says this so that all men may attain salvation through faith baptism and the observance of the Commandments. So you keep it. But you know what. The Commandments. And check this out. This is come on.

I just saw this today. Here we go. So the authority of the magisterium extends also it's gonna be to the Pacific Prince precepts of the natural law. Now the Catholic Catechism says that the Ten Commandments are an express representation of the natural law.

That's paragraph 2070. So 2070 says the Ten Commandments are an express expression or an expression of the Ten Commandments expression of the natural law. So the authority of the magisterium extends also to the precepts of the natural law.

Remember that includes a Ten Commandments because their observance demanded by the Creator is necessary for salvation. Paragraph 2036. Now folks if you were in in hell an Asian hell restaurant and you wanted the curse cookie not a fortune cookie you would open it up.

And this is what it would say in there on some of them. Okay this is the kind of stuff. Yeah it's what I say. It's kind of stretch for that imagination. But you know you'd be good. Look what it says. You got to keep the natural law to be saved.

Okay you know takes put some fork and just remember to do that. You get it. You're insulting people. Did you know that if you take forks if you take chopsticks and put them vertical in food and leave it.

That's rude. It's a sign of death. Or I forgot this. It's really rude. You don't do it. And so somebody did some art thing or something for an advertisement and he put the chopsticks laying across. And apparently that's wrong and offended to people.

There's so many whiners in this world. I don't like your hat. Your head offends me. Oh it says Glock on there. So it doesn't offend me. Okay I think that I'm not offended by attack. It says Glock on it.

So it's a good hat. Beard your face. My face. What that explains a lot. My face is offensive. That's what my wife says. She's married me a long time and I noticed this more and more when we're married that she looks at me after she hasn't been you know with me for a couple hours in the house.

I'm doing something. I walk over to her. She goes you know there's a little bit more frequently that's happening now. I think it's got. I'm getting older 61 she still looks good. I go yeah. So that's how it is with the ladies.

I look better than guys. We look like we've been mauled by large groups of animals. So anyway back to this stuff. So then he started saying well of course that it's not all of our sins are forgiven. I said well wait a minute let's go back to Colossians 2 13 because the immediate verse says having forgiven us all our transgressions.

And he said well that all doesn't really mean that all of our transgressions are are forgiven. It has to do with the temporary ones. Now I forgot what it was but I'm like oh geez. And by then the show was ending.

But it's just a good example of of bad theology now which I think is interesting is yes I'm a Calvinist. I'm a five-pointer and people don't like that sometimes. But the thing is you know I'm reading of reading scriptures and they go you're telling us you're reading that verse.

So that's what it says. And so Calvinism is bad. Yeah Calvinism is bad. But when I read the verse you say I'm a Calvinist but read the scripture. So what does that imply. It implies that the verse is Calvinistic.

You're putting words in my mouth. You know I get this a lot. So anyway that's what happened on the radio today and I thought it was interesting and and stuff like that and over. Since you guys are over we had a nice little Bible study.

Didn't we. Yeah you weren't there you you were in there. You got about half of it. So for New Year's Eve the spiritual people we were in one side of the house and we were having a Bible study and the other people were playing zombie dice.

Someone gave them to me. I never bought them and I've never played the game. My daughters gave me the Walking Dead stuff and I don't watch that show anymore. So some of us were spiritual and we went through some stuff that was a lot of fun anyway.

We do want to hear your heresy on end times.

Heresy? Oh man, now I'm offended. That's right. Oh see. I get offended around. Not offended but you know people are so whiny little babies all. Right. So so let's see. We got anything on Facebook for me to look at.

To any comments. Okay where is it from. Alistair. Jack. Let's see. I'll put see all and we'll see how this goes tonight. Come on. Yeah please deal with the bullying on this Facebook page. Oh I'm supposed to go underneath this thing.

That's right. Okay here we go. Okay my bad. Examining all verses in the New Testament. Dealing with justification. Oh okay. That's a link to stuff. I don't see any. What was her dad. Where's nothing to ask.

I don't see anything. All I see is Charlie. I know he's doing a great job of putting stuff in. He's awesome. Look at this little. Hundred people reached already. Yeah go ahead. I'll repeat it.

The Mormon President Thomas S. Monson just died. Monson just died? When did he die? Last night. Last night?

That poor guy. Oh, he's in trouble. He's not liking life. Okay, so he just died last night.

The Mormonism is a false gospel. Should we admire Mormon's humanitarian works, welfare system, etc. And how does that tie in with the, you can't get good fruit from a bad tree.

You said we admire their works. So what makes something good? Well, let's just talk strict theology here. We should get rid of that stuff. It's, that was an accident. Okay, so what makes something good, alright, is we have to have a standard.

I kind of remember this from seminary. It was really good. A standard, which is the Bible. And the goal, which has to be the glory of God. Okay, so, and there's a third thing. A standard on the motive.

Alright, I believe that's it. Now, a standard has to be the word of God. So, that's the Bible, alright. And that reveals to us what God wants. And the purpose is ultimately for the glory of God. And the motive is why we're doing something.

Well, ultimately it should be for the glory of God. But, so if I see a lady crawling, I mean, not crawling, walking across the street. And I want to help her out with her groceries or whatever. And I say, hey, let me help you.

Okay, now, why am I doing that? Well, you know, I'm doing it because the Bible says, help little old ladies across the street. Because it glorifies God. And my motivation is to show love to people. Because that's what the word of God says.

Basically, that's a good work. Now, an atheist could do the exact same thing. And an atheist could help a lady cross the street. Now, on a human level, that's good. But on a divine level, not using the word of God, not for the glory of God.

And his motive, well, we don't know what his motive is. We have to ask different atheists, you know. Maybe just want to be nice, just to help. Well, that's fine. But basically, without these, you don't have anything good.

Now, Romans 3, 10, 11, and 12 says that no man does good. No one seeks for God. So, on a human level, people can do good. They can do nice things. But on a divine level, nothing is good because our righteous deeds are filthy rags before God.

Isaiah 64, 6. So, that basically is how we're going to look at it. So, the question was on who, what was it?

You can find it, Charlie reposted it. Oh, he did? Either on YouTube or Facebook, either one.

Yeah, it's the same thing. I'm just seeing me teaching with my belly hanging out. Look at that. I've got to go on a diet. Yeah. I gained a lot of weight over the holidays. Man, I did.

Oh, yeah. So much for vegetarian on Thanksgiving. Oh, no.

I was not. For like a week, I was not vegetarian. Because everybody's got everything. It's like, oh, come on. You know, am I going to eat a cucumber while you've got all this stuff? So, it didn't work out.

He actually had two questions. Okay. They can hear Lindsay, by the way.

Oh, they can? They can hear me if I talk loud. It's just not as good as you. Yes. I'll speak loudly. It's coming up well. Yeah. His first question is, how does all of their good works and humanitarian work, things tie in with it?

You can't get good fruit from a bad tree thing. And then the second question is, is it possible that some, not all, Mormons and JWs might be saved? Or is there absolutely no chance unless they leave their faiths?

Well, we'll do the second question afterwards. Humanitarian issues of, say, Mormons and JWs, they can do certain things. I just saw on Meetup today that some atheists are going to go out to the Greenbelt and clean up.

That's a good thing to do. I could join them in doing that, you know, and stuff. They probably wouldn't like that. They probably wouldn't throw me out with the rest of the trash. But, you know, that's okay.

Like I said, on a human level, that's okay. But ultimately, it's not in any way good. So I could just see them the other day at judgment. They go, well, I helped clean up the Greenbelt. You know, because it has no merit.

If it was somehow good, how could it possibly really be good? Because God alone is a standard of righteousness and goodness. And so it has to be judged by His standard, not by their own. And it has to be by Him, not by their own.

And if they're going to do it by their own, then they're doing it for something that's not glorifying God. So no matter what they do, it's not a good work. Now, could we join in Mormons and stuff to do stuff like that?

In one sense, yes. One sense, no. It's like we want to join with the Roman Catholics when they're doing anti-abortion work. You know, I think that's up to the individual at that point. We don't want to throw the baby out with the bathwater, and God can even use unbelievers and false religious systems to accomplish His will when the Christians aren't doing their job and the vacuum is filled by others.

But, you know, it depends on the situation and stuff, because I don't want to give any credence to false systems. But then again, sometimes you've got to unite and do things together. And so I think it's, you know, would I stand up with an atheist against abortion in front of a place?

If he has a stop abortion now, he's an atheist, and I could sit up with a sign next to him, stop abortion now, you know, am I with him? Yes. Am I with him? No. You know, it's just, there's no black and white on this.

So it'd be very difficult to answer the question universally for all situations. So it's tough. Not looking too good there. Man, just looking at you, it's like, wow. I'm in one of those moods tonight, I guess I got to pick on people.

I don't know. You're getting offended. I'm stressed. I'm under a lot of stress lately. Actually, it's a nice beanie kind of thing, I don't know. Okay, was there a question? The second part.

He's a good guy though, he really is. Oh, yeah. The second part of the question, though, was can they somehow find salvation? Oh, yeah.

Can they never be saved unless they absolutely leave there? Well, can a Mormon be saved?

Yes. Can they still go to the Mormon church and be saved? Yes, they can. But not because they believe in Mormonism, but because they're not aware of what Mormonism teaches and they're going to what church that they think is Mormon.

And this can happen. You could have someone, for example, who believes that God is from another planet, becoming gods in handshakes and is going to a Mormon church for years and starts reading the Bible for him or herself and starts realizing, wait a minute, something's wrong.

And maybe after a while reads Romans, reads Galatians and realizes salvation and forgiveness of sins is by grace alone, through faith alone in Christ alone. And that person could just one night say, Lord, I don't know who or what you are now.

I'm confused, but I trust in just you and just this and just that. You know, the best way he's got at that level. And we're not saved by doctrine, but that kind of a work is the work of God, obviously.

And then he could still go to the Mormon church and still be confused. He could still say, well, I think God came from another planet. But here's the thing. I talk in more technical terms. A lot of people do about these kind of things.

So is it possible that such a person could believe that and really be saved? I think yes, but not for very long. Because I think they, you know, after a short while, they're going to go, you know, this doesn't make any sense.

And I can't adopt that. And that's because they're regenerate. So I think there's this gray area of time where our regeneration just takes a little time to manifest. So in a technical sense, I think that's possible.

However, if someone just says, look, I believe God came from another planet. There's no problem with that and blah, blah, blah. I'm sorry. They're not going to be Christian. They're not going to be saved.

You know, they deny the true doctrines and they deny who Jesus is and deny salvation by grace alone, through faith alone in Christ alone. Well, then they're not going to be Christian and stuff. They could make all the professions they want.

So it's like a universalist. Can a universalist be a Christian, technically? Yeah. Just because you're a universalist doesn't mean you can't go to heaven. I have, I've encountered Christians who say, if you teach that you're a universalist, you can't be Christian.

I see nothing in the Bible that necessitates that as a doctrine, doctrinal division. It doesn't make me popular with a lot of people in my own reform camp, but that's, I don't, I'm looking at scripture.

I don't see it taught in scripture that that topic and other topics like that are necessary that divide you. But nevertheless, that's what I think about that. So normally speaking, someone who's really regenerate will come out of Mormonism, come out of Jehovah's Witnesses.

And it won't take very long. So can they technically still be a Mormon and go? Yeah. And be a Christian? Yeah. For that short period of time until they leave. I remember, however, when I was studying the cults back in the early eighties with Jerry and Mary and Bodine, and they were the right hand man and woman of Walter Martin, the guy who started the Christian Research Institute.

He was the original Bible Answer Man. And, um, wow. This is my memory about that. Uh, wow. That just popped in. So, uh, sorry to get back on track. So a woman came in to our class that we were studying.

And Charlie's listening. I don't know if Charlie remembers this, but cause he and I were in a class together. This woman came in and she said that she'd become a Christian, but she had been a Mormon for, I think her whole life or whatever.

And she was driving down the 22 freeway heading West on the 22. And she was listening to 107 .9, which is a KYMS down in Southern California, which was the Calvary Chapel radio station at the time. And, um, she was listening to the praise music.

And she said that she was just listening and the worship of the Lord, the adoration, that relationship with Christ, that, and she wanted that. And she said, we don't have that in the Mormon church. We just don't have it.

And she told, I remember her telling us this and she said, she was so disturbed by the contrast that she decided to pull over on the freeway, which is not a good idea to do in the 22. And, but there's some areas what she could get over.

And so she went on the shoulder of some area and, uh, she said, she just stopped and she reached out to God and said, I don't know who you are, but I want you. I want what they have. I want that relationship with Jesus.

I just, I just looked at you. I just, I just trusted what you have. And she said instantly, she said, Mormonism is false. Just like that. She said it was a revelation. She knew that Mormonism was a false church.

Right when she prayed and trusted in Christ. And she didn't do it with the perfect vocabulary that I might insist on theologically. On page 637 of the systematic theology on soteriology, subsection AB8, say it this way.

She just appealed to Christ. And, um, and I remember that she said, and instantly I knew Mormonism was false. That to me was her conversion experience. Just converted. Did she know everything about the Trinity?

No. Hypostatic union, communicatio, idiomata, imputation, justification, propitiation. No, she didn't know about these things. And yet she was saved. Will she come out of Mormonism at that point? Absolutely.

And she did. She, she left it very quickly. Um, I don't know if she went back. I think she probably did. I remember correctly. Maybe Charlie remembers. What? Oh, I have no idea who, what her name was, but Charlie might know.

Cause he was in the class with me. And is he talking about it? I don't know. I have no idea who it is, but he, you know, he remembers things I don't remember. This is in Facebook or, uh, how come I'm not seeing it in Facebook?

Man. This is, this is not working. Oh, she can get on camera now. Here comes the tech support. Tech support. See right there. See right there. See, that's it. That's, that's it. You're going to be on here in a second.

There you go. See, there you are. So how come it's not showing up here? Yeah. How come is it not? It is weird, huh? It is weird. See, she just said it was weird. It was so weird. There you go. Oh, now she opens the whole screen up.

Make me look bad. So we did it with one click. Now you got to do the victory dance like I do with my wife. Do it with me. Come on. The victory dance is like this. Come on. There you go. Woo. And I do that whenever I fix something on my wife's computer in the office.

She goes, Todd, I hate it when you do that so fast. And I switch her like this. That's for me. That's for you, me. That's right. So I do that.

All right. One time I fixed a computer problem with my wife, on my wife's computer, in less than one second. One second. All right. Oh, she had to watch me do the victory dance for like a full minute.

Oh. All right. So how about on, let's see, Matchlock Live, any questions, any comments coming in there? I think that was Marge. Oh, I don't know who that was, but if you think so. But I remember that.

Charlie, do you remember that? You can type it in. How joyous she was. I remember that. Yeah, I do. Tulip, just asking questions. Right, Roman? Random topics. Okay, so we'll get back to Facebook. So what we're doing is an impromptu kind of study.

Let me know what you want to do. And if you've got questions, just fire them at me. Let's see. Alistair, Jack, the Mormon president, Thomas Monson died. We've got Winnie, Debra Klong. Shalom. Hey, shalom to you, too.

That's it.

I don't think we have much going on. Go back to YouTube and Peter Brokoy. What's that? Go back to YouTube and the very top, Peter, had a question for you. Okay. Let's see.

Anonymous lives. Can Mormons or Jays be saved? So far I've heard they can if they repent and become Christians. Peter Bufoy. Yep, that's it. Hi, Matt. Do you know anything about the Keswick movement? Oh, I used to.

I forgot what it was. Also called the higher life movement, trying to find out if it's biblical. The church I attend supports it. Really? Keswick movement. Okay, let me look. K-E-S-W-I-C-K. Keswick movement.

Higher life movement. Christian holiness in England. I'll do some research on that. Incidentally, I did some research on the Quakers today. Boy, are they in trouble. Okay. You have to do some research on it and see, so I can't tell you.

I'd have to look and see what it says. See what that is. I don't know. Holiness movements are often bad, even though they sound good. But holiness movements often get into the issue of righteousness by works, by law.

The more holy you are, the better off you are with God. And then you start judging other people. But it may not be the case. I'm just saying those are some of the common denominators in holiness movements.

Oh, they're into sinless perfectionism? Okay. That's what Charlie says. So, yeah, that would be bad news. Sinless perfectionism. Like, what's his name that I debated in Montana? Jesse Morrell. Jesse and his cohorts would teach sinless perfectionism that you can get to the level of never sinning anymore.

And I just say, give me five minutes with him. I'll get him to sin. Trust me, I'm that good. I am that irritating. I can make him sin. And it won't take long. Maybe two minutes. Just ask your wife. Huh?

Just ask your wife. Ask my wife. So, not that I want people to sin, but, you know, when you're skilled and gifted in certain areas of being difficult, I can bring out the depraved nature of people.

Well, Jesse said they sin, they just get repentance, and then they never do that sin again. They never do it again.

They never repeat that sin again. That reminds me of Doctrine and Covenants 82 .7. If you commit the same sin, or, you know, the same sin, and all the former ones come back to you. Yeah, that's lovely.

D &C 82 .7. Yeah. So, happy 2018. Hey, way to go. So, sinless perfectionism. That, to me, sinless perfectionism is one of the heights of arrogance in the Christian faith. To say that they don't sin anymore, which, to me, is part of the judgment of God upon them for believing the lie, and they're self-deceived.

To say they don't sin anymore is to keep the law perfectly in all aspects, in all areas, in all ways, all the time. That's what sinless perfectionism would require. We don't sin anymore. Really. So, you have no bad thoughts, no bad intentions, ever.

That means you and your spouse get along perfectly all the time, right? Well, she's not that perfect, but I am, you know. That'd be all it'd have to be. That's why we have problems, because of her. The woman you gave me, you know.

It's how it would have to be. You know, I could just see, tell my wife, Hey, you know what, I'm thinking of, that I'm basically into sinless perfectionism now. I'm thinking of some good stuff. She would look at me like I was a complete moronic doofus, and she would just say, uh-huh.

Yeah, uh-huh. You don't sin anymore? That's right, honey, I don't sin anymore. She'd say, okay, um, yeah. She would, you know, just go, that's nice, dear, and then she'd go on to do something more important.

She what? Move along. She'd move along, that's what she'd do. Just in right. Down at the bottom, I don't see anything. Uh, I see a... tech support? Tech support? No, it's, uh...

No, it's at the bottom. It's, yeah, it's weird. I see it. It's all scrolled up now, I don't see it anymore. I'm scrolling up.

Well, there's one at the very top. Matt, where'd it go? Great. Just in right? Mm-hmm. That's at the, towards the top, though. Is that, is that the Christian? That one? Okay, is that the Christian should move on from his initial conversion experience to also experience a second work of God in his life?

This work of God is called entire sanctification. Different denominations have different views and different ideas and different labels for what they call this. Second baptism, baptism of the Holy Spirit, entire sanctification, various things like that.

You know, I don't find this kind of stuff in Scripture. What we have is one faith, one Lord, one baptism, Ephesians 4 -5, and the Holy Spirit is in you. You don't get, um, you don't get more Holy Spirit.

In one sense you do, in one sense you don't. But, I mean, he's there in you. And it's like I'm married to my wife. I don't become more married a year later with her. We're married. That's what it is. The Holy Spirit indwells you.