After show debate, Mary Intercession

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YouTube Right there, and I'll give some people time to come in and then we can talk a little bit

Maybe when someone comes in I'll use the restroom right there. All right, so There now it's updating on the upcoming debates for tonight after show and the stream yard you can actually come in and participate in and then you can watch it on on on On YouTube and you can comment there, too.

All right, so Having said that oh, man. I hope someone comes in that I know it's like it's the restroom

Huh and we'll see in fact, I just gotta be I'll be sure so I'll be right back. Okay, I'll be dead here dead air

But hold on come on in you guys come on in Adjustment here on the setting so that we can get to this in this room.

Oh, it is there. No, it's not Yeah, it is. Oh good. Oh, it is good test one two. All right, come on in Joanne if you want and Okay, he was a bad debater

Okay, so I'm getting feedback from Joanne so when

Joanne you come on in you can just You can Why is it

Mike's muted, so it shouldn't be a feedback Bill cubitus Hey Bill, how you doing, buddy?

I'm doing good. Good. Good barely. See you always. He's your forehead. Yeah Well, I don't want to you don't want to see me.

Trust me. Yeah, that's it. Come on. Let's see. Come on Get it, you know a regular face here. Come on. No Okay, you can think of that whoo

He kept on using extra biblical reference church fathers. He rarely went to the

Bible This is what Catholics do. I'm sorry

Bill. Could you repeat that? I'll get a little distracted I want to make sure I understood you properly. Go ahead. He kept on using extra biblical references church fathers

Traditions Now it's possible that we had a misunderstanding of stuff. I'll talk to Dave about that We'll get at the bottom of it

But it's taught me though that we have to have an absolutely agreed on debate topic and definitions need to be offered by the by That we agree on that has to happen and if it's not going to happen that we're just not going to do it because it causes problems and You're gonna feedback echo

Remy says I don't hear any feedback echo What I could do is take this off and go to just the microphone up there.

Maybe that'll solve it So, how about if I do that? Okay, let me try that really fast. Let's just see and There we put that and then

I'll do This okay, can you hear me? Okay, can you hear me bill?

Yes. Yes. Okay good. That's better Let's do that. That sounds is it sound?

Okay sound good Hmm which sounds better this or the headset this right here.

Oh, okay. All right well Wow He was rude interruptive condescending.

He needs a moderator and moderator was got into him and said no you have to answer the questions You can't just start preaching and going on to the point like okay, we're done.

We're just done I can't even have a conversation with the guy because he's gonna tell Everybody what he has to say about everything else.

It's just not what you do in a debate and it was it was really bad Let me see get here

Add to the stage. Okay, come on. You got to unmute yourself there Joanne because I'm trying to unmute you

Unmute and it won't unmute. I think you've got to do it on your end Can't unmute your guests because they chose to mute themselves.

Uh -huh So, you know, it was also interesting was he said things like He was

I know you're frustrated. I know that you know this I know that you you can answer but what? He kept doing that that's not what you do in a debate, you know, and it was just really bad

And they were so arrogant and then when I started preaching the gospel I put the gospel in there for him, you know and started talking about it

Did you see what happened so many of them started mocking the gospel Wow It was really something if you're on a free microphone, it might be picking up your speakers

Joanne. Go ahead Sorry, that's because they're the God they hate the gospel

They love the real Gospel according to Rome Yeah, there's the gospel according

Rome And you know, you'll also notice this that There we go that He said

I didn't know Christology Okay Because when I said you don't know this he said he does.

Oh, yeah, he tried to defend himself. Let's talk Christology He doesn't know Christology. He does not know what he thinks he knows

So yeah, that was bad. Is this what a cult is? Sonic yes, it's that those are typical of cult behaviors

Condemnation mockery and what I try to do is give him scripture You know to be gentle to be this to be that he certainly was not and they certainly were not they're representing

Catholicism, they're not representing Christianity See, I don't know. I got it.

Have you kept a little shot at him? Yeah, this is inquisitive hinting to the Inquisition what the

Catholic Church did. Yeah, I always ask the Catholics Have you kept the Ten Commandments for salvation? Well, no, no, but if we don't we go to confession

Okay, as soon as you're done with confession you go back and breaking the Ten Commandments. It's a circle thing

It's like tape chasing a tail and they haven't come in commandments because no one has

Jesus has that's the only one But they must it's obligated they obligated to keep the

Ten Commandments paragraph 2068 the Catholic Catechism It's just as important as faith and baptism.

Yeah, and they think baptism is necessary for salvation But in Acts 10 44 through 48 the believers were saved before baptism

And they always quote Mark 16 16 now baptism saves well read on They just quote half the verse.

They won't quote the whole verse You know, that's a difficult area to go do it in that because it's there's textual variants there that are pretty serious

But yeah, it's it's really something and I Thought I thought he did really badly and what was interesting was the arrogance on his part

The arrogance he didn't understand logic. He didn't understand debate things.

He was getting in and interrupting. He was rude He was condescending. I just like come on.

There's oh, I mean now we need a moderator I'm gonna have moderation all discussions debates.

I thought he was mature enough to handle it, but he wasn't Sonic could you please show me where John Calvin said baptism was required for salvation.

Can you show me the documentation for that? I'd like to see that if you got that, okay So if you got it show it to me

Let's see it, okay, you know even though John Calvin talked that Always go back to Acts 17 11 check out the scriptures what everybody says even even

Matt even James White Everybody We just don't take the room.

I Don't think he said that it was required to be saved I don't believe that's the case, but if it is

I could be wrong, but show it to me then Okay, I'll just say for a little bit if nobody else comes in or whatever

No big deal. I'm looking at What's happening? Oh, I think I Think the all of the yeah all of the stuff from car the

YouTube videos coming into here so into this I can see everything as it was said it was a sad debate

I thought I understood the concept of debate clearly you were That's right, Laura. Yeah, he was bad.

He would that's why I said you get this from Sam. That's Sam's technique You just just rolls right over you just dominate just insult and just jump right it that's not how you do debate, okay

Yeah Well You know if you disagree with Sam, he'll kick you offstage

Yeah, Sam. He's got some problems. He does yeah Because you mean he's affirming the

Roman Catholic Church, which is heretical oh, I forgot I was gonna do this Oh, I forgot I was gonna do this

Mm -hmm. I will what I'll do is I'll share my screen and show you the quotes about Mary and her demonic.

Okay So hold on You know get to him. I said

I'm gonna do that. That's what I forgot. I was gonna do that. So All right,

I'm gonna do this is from my notes so hold on one letter remember

Window, let's do this. Let's do that. I think that's it All right, there we go, okay

So what I'm gonna do is increase that size so you guys can see it All right. Now I'm gonna get to it a little bit but check this out

This the Catholic quotes about the litany of Loretto and this is just good. I mean check this out

This litany to the Blessed Virgin Mary is composed during the Middle Ages the place of honor itself

The litany titles and invocations set before us Mary's exalted privileges. All right of her lot holy life

Amiability power her motherly spirit quinnian by Disney the principle Has been followed here

The principle that has been followed in their interpretation is the one enunciated by Blessed Pius the ninth

God enriched her so wonderfully from the treasury of his divinity far beyond all angels and saints

With the abundance of all heavenly gifts that she should show forth in such fullness of innocence and holiness, etc, etc so 53 titles given to Mary mother of God Virgin of virgins mother of Christ mother of the church mother of mercy mother of divine grace mother of hope

She's the most pure most chaste inviolate undefiled most amiable Admirable good counselor mother of our

Creator mother of our Savior approved most prudent venerable Renowned it goes on and on look at a single vessel of devotion

But are you kidding me a mystical rose tower of David? Tower of ivory house of gold ark of the covenant gate of heaven morning star just Their idolaters their idolaters, okay now, all right

Now check this out, all right, here we go And notice I'm gonna give six quotes and notice the progression of the quotes in 1531

Guadalupe Mexico appearance to Juan Diego These are the words of the apparition now.

These are official the Catholic Church investigative says it really was Mary. So it's official

Okay, so let's take a look at him. This is what it says the apparition. That's why

I call it apparition said No, no for sure. My dearest littlest and youngest son.

I am the perfect and ever Virgin Holy Mary She's perfect Interesting.

Okay, and then later I Am truly your merciful mother

Yours and all the people of the earth who live united in this land and of all the other people of different ancestries

My lovers who love me who those who seek me those who trust in me

Here, I will hear their weeping their complaints and heal all their sorrows hardships and sufferings now

Check that out the those who love her Seek her Trust in her.

She will hear you. We heal your weeping or hear your weeping and Complaints and heal all your sorrows hardships and sufferings

Can we say goddess? how about this one and Let's see,

I mean I hate them and that little thing comes up here we go Oh, you can't see it on the screen on my screen a little window comes up.

I have to move it around That's why I'm doing it twice a highlight doesn't show through. All right. Am I not here?

I who am your mother? Are you not under my shadow and protection?

Am I not the source of your joy? Are you not in the hall of my mantle in the crossing of my arms?

Do you need anything more? But nothing else. Where are you disturb you? Mary is saying do you need anything more than me?

The Cathechers couldn't you I guess see them on the table, you know in the room going

Mr. Pope You know, I got this question about this this apparition

It says That we're under the her shadow of protection that sees the source of our joy

That we're in the hollow of her mantle in the crossing of her arms and then implies we don't need anything more than her uh

What about Jesus here? I was just wondering, you know, what leave or you'll be oh, what's the word s communicate?

Would you just say oh, okay. I'm gone. I'm gonna see the dialogue going on. All right now So this is obviously demonic

All right, because anybody who's in heaven in the presence of the glorious King will bear witness of the glory of the

Lord Jesus That's what's gonna happen. All right now in 1917

In Portugal and something really did happen there people were tracking with their eyes crowds.

They're seeing stuff. Okay So it says in 1917 on May 13th, which is interesting 13th number of sin, but whatever the apparition says

It says are you willing to offer yourselves to God to bear all the sufferings?

He wants to send you as an act of reparation for the sins by which he's offended and for the conversion of sinners

What wait, excuse me, excuse me So the apparition says you want to offer yourself to God to bear all the sufferings

He wants to send you and this is an act of reparation for the sins that he's offended by You know, in other words you make the sins that you've committed against God right by your sufferings

The Word here appropriate is blasphemy Jesus is the one who did this

Jesus is the one who bore our sins in his body in the cross It was Jesus. It was not Mary who is the one who did that and it certainly is not from her

Truly that willing to offer yourselves to God for the sufferings as an act of reparation for the sins that offends him

That's not biblical But you see notice what the like this guy did tonight, well, we don't just trust those scriptures we trust tradition because then

Anything goes? Because that's what it is. Anything goes? This is the next apparition

It says this I Will take a Cinta and Francisco shortly and they did die quickly after that, but you will stay here for some time to come

Jesus wants to use you to make me known and He wishes to establish the devotion to my immaculate heart throughout the world.

I promise salvation To whoever embraces it these souls will be dear to God like flowers put by me to a tour in his throne

So now this apparition says Jesus wants to make Mary know it's about Mary Then I'd lift

Mary up he wasn't married me no and You've got established devotion to her immaculate heart devote to the

Attitude the heart the purity of Mary and Mary this apparitions. I promise salvation whoever does this

This is just a false gospel, it's a false gospel and here's the last one What you want to comment?

Go ahead. Oh, it's demonic. Oh, yeah Demonic Sacrifice yourselves for sinners and say often to Jesus, especially whenever you make a sacrifice

Oh Jesus it is for the love of thee for the conversion of sinners and in reparation for the sins committed against the immaculate heart of Mary So now you have to do reparation of sins yet to make an atonement

Because now you've sinned against Mary so you got to fix it with Mary This is demonic

Okay It's just demonic and check this out these are the notes

I put in here Jesus bears witness of himself the works

Jesus works bear witness of himself The Father bears witness of Jesus the Holy Spirit bears witness of Jesus the multitudes bear witness of Jesus The prophets bear witness of Jesus the scriptures bear witness of Jesus The Father will honor us if we serve

Jesus the Father wants us to fellowship with Jesus the Father tells us to listen to Jesus What does the apparition do?

Jesus wants to use you to make me known and loved he wishes to establish a devotion to my immaculate heart throughout the world

I promise salvation to whoever embraces it and Yet the scriptures teach to the contrary

Obviously the Roman Catholic Church is apostate it teaches a false Mary. She is a functioning goddess

You'll notice I said that several times tonight and he picked up on it He tried to say it's not a functioning God, but yes, she is

She hears the prayers of millions of people all over the world simultaneously spoken thought he does that I mean she says he does she he says she could do that.

That's a goddess ability. That's what goddesses can do That's what goddesses do How's she not a goddess?

You know and It's just it's really bad this Bostonian Roman Catholic said to me that I will be sorry and I'll bow to Mary If Isaiah writes that God I'm says

I'm the Lord and my glory will not show another Isaiah 42 8 We bear we bow before the

Lord. Let me tell you something and I'm not using my experience as proof of anything So don't anybody say that I'm saying this is how

I know this what the truth is Matt's experience He's raising his experience about just scripture. I'm not doing any of that people often say that but I'm gonna just tell you

I was in the occult and I got saved when I got saved. It was an incredibly

Incredibly Just profound experience of the holiness of God and I was reduced to just sobbing tears of repentance and Presence of holiness.

It was incredible. I've never experienced anything like it before or since And I remember that so well,

I had no choice but to weep to moan to almost vomit But I did the puking sin of my heart and soul face to the ground

Wailing in the presence of God. That's what was going on And I think it's in Isaiah 6.

I Think it's Isaiah 6. Let's see if I can find it I'm gonna find this where I think it don't put

Isaiah be gone from me a man of Unclean lips.

Here we go. Okay This is yeah,

I was right Listen to this This is

Isaiah 6 1 I want to read this to you. Okay, and there's a reason I'm doing this from scripture

In the year of King Uzziah's death. I saw the Lord sitting on a throne Lofty and exalted with the train of his robe filling the temple

Seraphim stood above him each having six wings with two he covered his face and with two he covered his feet and with two he flew and One called out to another and said holy holy.

Holy is the Lord of hosts the whole earth is full of his glory and The foundations of the thresholds trembled at the voice of him who called out all the

Temple was filling with smoke. Then I said listen to this Woe to me.

I am ruined Because I am a man of unclean lips and I live among the people of unclean lips

For my eyes have seen the kingdom of the Lord of hosts And one of the seraphim flew to me with a burning coal in his hand

Which he had taken from the altar of the tongues and touched my mouth with it Behold this has touched your lips and your iniquity is taken away.

Your sin is forgiven and notice what happens He's in the presence in the presence of God all of his majesty and was he say he says

He's a woe to me. I'm ruined I'm a man of unclean lips in the presence of God's holiness.

That's all you do You just can't take it Notice what he says

I'm ruined. I'm a man of unclean lips. I he's he recognizes his failure and his condemnation

That's what happens in the presence of God's holiness If Mary was really appearing and she was really in heaven and appearing on earth.

She'd be glorying in the Lord Jesus Christ She'd be talking about his glory

She'd be talking about what he says Because the last thing I think she recorded saying I'm not sure is whatever he says to you do it

I think that was her last one. Maybe I'm wrong, but That's important for us to understand that what this these apparitions of the

Roman Catholic Church can't even distinguish between demonic manifestations and The fact that this these apparitions are pointing to it's themselves for glory and they put in themselves for redemptive work and And stuff and sins against the the apparitions

This is demonic manifestation. It's not of God. It's not scripture. So anyway, okay

Yeah, so what's going on in the chat room?

You know, just move this over here There we go If anybody else wants to come in the room really fast great if not, that's okay

And I know that the Catholics think I lost but That didn't happen.

He was not able to establish in Scripture that Mary intercedes first He wasn't able to do it so he couldn't do it and We had a discussion

When he wants to say he wouldn't only Google Scripture Remember very clearly talking to Dave Kimball who set this up that he wanted to use it the church fathers and stuff

I said I said very clearly I was in the kitchen downstairs. Remember this. Nope I will not do that.

I won't debate these church father things. It's got to be Scripture It was okay. And then so from there, that's what it was supposed to be.

So I don't trust him As after representing what really happened. That's certainly possible though that there was a mistaken connotation

But we're gonna make sure that that's never gonna happen again And then you future debates. I'm gonna have We pray to marry the saints in Jesus name

In case you'd be you'd be case to help yourself Yeah, you pray to Mary that's right and then you hear you you are appealing to a functioning goddess if you do that Trinity if you say you pray to Mary and all the

Saints then you're here using her and then this functioning gods and goddesses Look, the spirit of God versus Christ.

It doesn't tell you to go to the saints and pray to them But it doesn't do this and feast in Trinity. What do you do with these quotes if you're a

Catholic? I assume you are from this reading the text. What do you do with these quotes? Yeah, it was

Remy he said he was pretty much a debate Why don't you guys did you want to come in the room and say you're here?

But you thought the debate was and how it went. I'll give you my opinion. Oh type it in the text here I thought he did very badly.

I thought he was very rude He's condescending didn't know that it wasn't able to stick with debate rules. He was insulting

And claim victory when we're in cross -exam it was supposed to happen as I asked the questions and then he answers them and He asked questions and I answered and what he did was right.

I've asked him questions. He just Say that I'm gonna tell you what it is. I could that's not my question I didn't ask that you're here to talk about this and I'm not going to do that I need to an on -and -on to the point where I just said we're not even having a

Discussion here. He's just trying to to take control of everything. He just dominate and then they perceive it as winning

It's not winning. It's not how you do it. It's not how it works. Okay, so You think

Pat is a troll, okay, well, you know, they need to hear the gospel, okay And you know,

I asked Catholics. I have a way of testing them to see if they're loyal to their church more than Jesus It's very simple.

I just say look there Jesus God. Yes Does have all authority in heaven and earth?

Yes. Did you forgive sins? Yes If you're to ask Jesus sincerely the contrite heart

Jesus, please forgive me of all of my sin. Will he do that? If they say yes,

I feel obvious to be married. I need your priesthood and They take because that's what we're supposed to do

They immediately start to tell you the priesthood their church Right, but I think but if you can go to Christ, you don't need them, do you?

And they say I can go to Christ I need them and they can't see the problem because they're in a cult

And Once I had a Catholic tell me that he would pray to Jesus and the forgiveness of sins

And I said, okay, and he's gonna do that live and I said look I'm not gonna mock you in this

I mean, I just want it. I want you to pray to Jesus and he started off. He goes. Okay. He was right.

Yeah, dear Mary. I Couldn't believe it. He was so conditioned to the idolatry in the

Catholic Church that he couldn't even pray to Jesus It was it was bad and They can't see that they're idolaters

So look st. Pete if you say that's blasphemy the Holy Spirit you have to go to Matthew 12 22 through 32 where blasphemy the

Holy Spirit is said to be saying that Jesus was doing his miracles by the power of the evil And you read

Matthew 12 Maybe 22, excuse me Are you 22 12 you start reading and you get down to verse 32 and you start seeing what's going on there?

And that's where it is. You can just check it out and read it. That's not what blasphemy the Holy Spirit is. Okay Hey brother,

Joseph, how you doing, buddy? Hanging in there just dealing with obstreperous people who don't know if theology don't

Yeah, so I'm yeah, I said earlier in the chat that I didn't watch the show but I can only imagine some of the cliche blundering

Claims that Sam and I'm guessing this is Sam Shimon no, I was with another guy

William all right, I think it was and He really was rude

Condescending he and he said I I don't these things and you What he did several things like that.

It was just uncalled for So the title was

Mary as an intercessor or intercession of Mary, correct, so Yes, according to the

Scriptures Scriptures, you know, okay, so So their whole idea is somehow that she's instantly

We believe to be queen of heaven, so that's in that again that gives her free grace because they misread the

Greek of Luke chapter 127 Yeah, so and so they they use the word in the

Greek Shadis To misinterpret the word to mean grace is given

And they and they reverse it and instead of it being as Luke wrote it to be given to her

They read it and said to be a grace is given from her So this gives them the idea that she's and she has the authority by her own grace

That's given to her now in a new nature to give you grace by her own intercession. So Again, I but I've never actually heard

William give that argument because his arguments is just as you're saying He's just going by someone else's Claim someone else's quote some other historian some other scholar so oh

Yeah, oh, yeah, and another thing he did was just This fire hose a lot of stuff out says that you can't you can't but let's talk

Let's look at that and see if it really says that that he didn't like that And he kept saying

I kept dodging stuff because the debate was about and I said in my opening statements about this

And he I just said that's not your main. He was good. The church father says this I Don't care for the church fathers.

It was a scripture say and he said it wasn't about the scriptures only He says the scriptures also are the tradition

I'm like, oh jeez so next time I have a debate like this I say scripture and it's gonna be the written word the 39 books the old 27 in the new.

That's it and They don't want to agree I'm gone we're done so you learn you learn from your mistakes and the mistake was not being extra clear with him because He knew he needed to be

Helped help have his feet held with a fire. He really blew it a lot Like a lot of these

Roman Catholic debaters, even though they very very very knowledgeable They've been doing they've been reading and being pastors or what have you for say 30 40 years

They base it all on on as you just said post scriptural early church fathers

But the church fathers from all the way up to the 4th century They they are they authorized and they made claims based on the scriptures

They didn't make claims based on their own personal feelings. Well, but for the most part they didn't for the most part

Yes, there was a few that clearly heretical in there and they're in their views but even they back in the 4th century had conflict with each other because They can't they couldn't confirm it in the

Gospels. They couldn't confirm it in and the from Matt from Matt Moses all the way up to Zechariah they couldn't so Okay, so But he's a good example of someone who's been thoroughly brainwashed right just brainwashed

Because he doesn't because he's taken his church and what he's understood about the church to be the authority as you said already

Yeah, and the problem with him and seriously, he thinks he's a good logician, but he's not

So you give an example of something you didn't hear it, but here's an example of something the

Revelation 5 8 When you take in the book the four living creatures and the 24 elders fell down with a lamb each one holding a harp and the

Golden bowls full of incense, which are the prayers of the Saints see they can hear this they can hear You say that it says that the prayers of the

Saints doesn't mean they they heard them and furthermore They had golden bowls with the prayers of the

Saints in the golden bowls. How does that work? It is very symbolic but what it actually means according to them.

They could hear your prayers all over the world And it's just you know, it's like are you kidding me? The logic is just so bad, but they can't hear it because they're there you have the cold

Yeah, well everybody. Well everybody who's Level -headed and rational knows that incense is burned

So meaning so that's a meaning if this is a symbolic Representation of literal prayer then say there say those those incense are burning paper in those though You know a chalice that's being hung by a chain whatever you know being burned is not being heard by the

Lord It's ridiculous and he can't see it and it doesn't logically require that this is the case he's making something

He's making a doctrine based on something that's not inferred in the text, but he's saying it's there

It's just it's just stuff like this and he can't even get it and then he says I can't answer

Dude is you're not even I wanted to say you're not even understanding the issue here and then you're arguing out of a

Profound form of ignorance and lack of judgment and sound sound rationality. It was bad

Like what was one of his outlying Arguments from from Early church fathers that you know clearly wouldn't have come from the scriptures

But what was one of his favorites that he wanted to iterate on? and harp on You know,

I just disregarded it because it wasn't part of the debate. I said look I'm not interested in church fathers or councils or correct and you know what he would do is he'd go well you have creeds on your on your your site and Therefore that means because they have in the creeds that he believe in marriage intercession, which we didn't establish as the case

But just because I might have someone's creed there doesn't mean I agree with everything. It's there I'm just providing a service to give a lot of information.

He couldn't see that but I explained it it was bad Feast I don't

I can't read up. I'm doing several things at once feast. Just what's your answer to the question? That's all I'm saying just so I can pay attention and read it.

Some people will say I entered above I don't know where to above and how far up above I'm not running from it

I'm just saying are you're all your sins forgiven right now? Just I'm paying attention now Could you just type in the answer or all your sins forgiven right now?

Okay Yeah Yeah, it born again if you want to come in right now, it's fine

Come in here and talk Remy you seem to know stuff, buddy Yeah We should talk.

No I've dabbled in Textually debating and arguing with Roman Catholics and I've got

I've got a whole Directory or folder in my archives dedicated to them.

Okay now look you're making me covet. Okay, you're enticing me So, what can

I do to get a hold of that or see what you come up with? I'd love to see that I'm on Facebook mostly

So They're gonna go and find you something Yeah, you could just email me, you know info at karma .org

and what I can do is give you my private email address Sure do it in here. But yeah Every once in a while.

I do actually use your karma .org and you're you're absolutely invaluable Well the site, you know by God's grace, we're going through revamping it and we're correcting things and You know,

I've written 4 ,500 articles basically and you can't get everything right every single time But just on a lot and we're going through we're making it ready for search engine optimization

We're really working on that a great deal and we're also going through and and fixing some grammar things and some stuff that happened sometimes

I'll Put something over and give a wrong quote for something, you know, it happens, but but we're trying to Go through the

SEO and revamp the site So I was asking feast if you would answer the question

Like why did look over some blister you have long generations because she's blessed among all generations. That's why feast but Mary is blessed okay, but Truth defender

What was his name? I debated was William Albright. I think his name was He was rude he didn't know what he was doing you should watch some of it it just was bad it really was bad

And he claims victory Oh absolute victory go and someone even in the room said well did God predestined for you to lose this debate man?

I'm like what? there they I Was like you cracking up from some of the comments and then he said to me because I could tell you're angry from the comments

Like what? They're making me laugh a lot of them they're so bad it was it was horrible

I've watched a William and again in debates against Kelly powers and a few others and He's very proud very

I would like to say arrogant, but a lot of people but That's just like you're describing.

He's very sure of not just himself, but What he's been

Tutored on what he's been coached on by Sam Simone. I think Sam is not good.

He's bad Yeah, he's bad Yeah, he says horrible things of people vile filthy things he does

Where do you live Remy? No, I'm born and raised and still living in Ontario Canada Okay, I'm in Idaho don't know if that's near I don't know chairs over there

Hey born again, how are you doing buddy? All right doing real good there, man. I don't know if you remember our conversation from a while ago

We had just a conversation private You know we talked about different things about Catholicism and I was saved out of Catholicism 20 years ago

And we kind of joked I had given her a kiss and and you were like you were like There's nothing wrong with kissing your wife.

It was just kind of you know freaky or something you remember that No, I joke a lot of people, but no

I remember you know I was I always said that to see if it would jog your Memory, but anyways William Albrecht.

I've known this guy for over five years and honest Sleep Matt I don't you lasted for nearly two and a half hours debating this guy because he does simple logical fallacy that you can imagine he pontificates he

He grandstands he does and he accuses his opponents of doing everything that he does he strawmans

He read hearings another thing. I wanted to ask You Matt That was a guy tonight

I Said that was the guy tonight. There's what you're saying I was asking who you talking to you specifically or about specifically because we'll tell the guy tonight, but okay

Yeah, he grandstands absolutely good word Yeah, he does all this stuff the thing

I was gonna ask you Matt before you debate with him Did you agree to you agree ahead of time to limit to the scriptures you both consider to be inspired?

Or did you agree to talk about the like early church fathers as part of the debate? Something with early church fathers you're breaking up a little bit for me.

We talked about Did you watch the debate tonight? I? Watched part of the debate and honestly.

I enjoyed listening to you. I was having a real hard time listening to William Yeah Yeah, I can see why he's so arrogant

Prideful that he can't even see his own sin and rebellion against God and his bad behavior

And then he accused me of being bad behavior I try something for one minute Treating him like he was treating me to see if that would work to see if it would calm him down But it wouldn't and I'd say okay fine, so I just did that on purpose

I even said that while I was doing this, but you said because you said this that's why I'm doing that to see what he would do and After a while he was grandstanding a lot and pontificating and then he accused me of it

It was it was bad Yeah, I didn't accuse you mad of cheap shots as was doing what he accused you of.

Yeah. Yeah He was he saw hypocrisy is there The question for me is do you condemn them to hell for what seemed like the universal with the intercession of Mary?

I play guitar. No, there is no universal intercession of Mary in the church fathers Okay, there's just not

I've gone through let me show you guys something. I've got I've got access to If you go to You know show you guys can do this yourself.

Okay, and it's a Catholic thing and I think it's great I think with the Catholic Church, whoever did it did a fantastic job with this one tool so I have to just give me a minute, but I'm gonna put it in here and And I have to go to my church fathers

I got a link on the church fathers to this one page and I want you to find it and let's see church fathers quotes my topic

I think it is and Yeah, here we go. I got that and now I can put it in here.

All right, I Say go here what this link is is

You can take any verse Type it in and it'll tell you what the church father said about it.

Oh That's good. Oh Yeah, so Like, you know, you could go to John 3 16 you go to which

I've done. I've got all these things I've done off of this thing here and I Have examples of bad interpretation of Scripture by various church fathers

I have miscellaneous quotes scriptures as a final authority from church fathers salvation by faith and works

I mean, it's got all kinds of stuff from this link here, which I'm looking at on my website and I say go there

Check it out Do what you want there and I also have this which

I've done I could do a lot lot more Okay, but it takes a lot of work to just do one so church fathers by verse

I've done in Colossians 2 14 Clippings 1 29 John 6 39 because they're relevant I may do some more on some of these verses that Catholics, you know what the church father said about various verses because they always do this

They say the church fathers always taught this. No, they didn't It's not true and I can prove it.

I proved it so many times, but they don't care. They don't care Don't care they don't care

Say look at st. Pat If you claim you sin, why would you be pretending to teach

Scripture? I'm not pretending to teach scripture. I can teach Scripture and you're gonna ask that to Paul the Apostle in Romans 7 18 through 25.

He said the things he doesn't want to do He does he was talking about his sinful nature who will deliver me from this body of death and yet He taught the

Word of God So if you're saying that I can't because I'm a sinner then you must be consistent Say Paul the

Apostle can't because he's a sinner. You're just failing to understand what inspiration is You feel to understand how it works and to teach and there's so much

I could say about this But look that's ain't you don't understand basic logic and and critical thinking when it comes to the issue of Scripture And I've noticed this in cults is that the ability for them to think critically very far is just gone

It's gone They can't do it because they're called they have a cult mind

And I'm actually thinking about writing a book or booklet on this called the cult mind and I haven't decided

I'm gonna do it or not, but I keep talking about it lately and Putting notes in like this like they can't

Be logical past what they're Or I put in quotes organization these are just notes me organize the organ

Organization Yes, I don't find partisan beliefs in the first few centuries really you don't there let me show you something

Okay Let's see, let's see, where was that my topic reform theology

From the Church Fathers. All right There you go You can go and check it out.

I Have in there from the Church Fathers the church is a body of believers

The depravity of man that people are touched by sin in their entirety That election people are chosen for salvation

Augustine Chrysostom Clement of Rome Tertullian said this. I Chrysostom said it

Justin Martyr Polycarp Theodorette Vincent of Lorenz faith is granted by God Ambrose Yeah, Ambrose Augustine Chrysostom Septetius Severus and Theodorette federal headship was taught by Athanasius and Augustine irresistible grace taught by Augustine as to with being born again as what that means not about just grace anywhere or anything

Unlimited atonement Augustine Seemed to teach that and he says Christ died for the elect perseverance of the

Saints Augustine Augustine Augustine sepulchres Severus predestination Athanasius Augustine Clement of Rome Tertullian sin is a legal debt

Ambrose Augustine Augustine on sin Unconditional election Augustine Augustine Augustine.

So I'm just saying People sit, you know, I'm gonna just say this a lot of Catholics are just ignorant all they do is believe whatever their

Catholic Church tells them and they just repeat these same things and They've said all the reform theology is never taught by the church fathers

I'm gonna go see if that's true. I Went to that site. I told you guys about all the scriptures you can put them in I went and looked and guess what

I found They do It's right there to Church Fathers I can even show you where Jesus taught the five points of Calvinism where Jesus himself taught it

I can show it to you from Jesus own words. And so I Am I'm just blown away by the complete ignorance of so many people who've given their minds over to the overarching

Organizational authority and that's all they do. They don't think they just repeat They just vomit out what the church tells them and that's it and you're just wrong because we have the truth

It's a cult mind and Show it you want to see I'll show it here.

It is right there right there Okay The title is you go to calm.

I'll put the title in okay the title Early Church Fathers There it is

Okay, go to calm and type in Or go to Google type in calm org for Calm org then space and type in early

Church Fathers reform theology Hit enter it'll come up. The list will come up. You can see it.

You can click and you can see it for yourself There it is. Okay and The links are provided in the document so you can click on them and see the whole thing in context

So I have a little saying for the Catholics who are watching stop whining and start learning

Do your homework grow up and stop submitting yourself to the Catholic Church Go do some thinking on your own and stop puking your crap towards me

Just stop it. Go do your research. I do it and you guys don't you don't know what you're doing

You do not know like one of my own back on staying on the topic of the lie of intercession of Mary and You actually you personally might be watching you for the last six years or so Gave me inspiration to use logic with the

Bible. So basically using the Bible as it's as the base for a logic not mathematical logic

And so you base it on you know The Lord says that he hears all prayers and he hears all his people in all of us

And and so going by that logic God says absolutely that he is omnipresent well, not the word omnipresent, but the action the behavior the nature of the characteristic and and the omniscient and so you use that in in Psalm 139 when

David says that Before a word comes out of my mouth Lord, you hear all things or you know all things

You I based that on okay. So the Roman Catholics to the what that I would talk to years and years ago

Okay, so you say Mary here's your petitions. They use the word petition For those who are not watching air quote okay, so Mary is able to hear a petition of How many

Roman Catholics and I and I actually years ago actually went and googled it and I actually googled it just now

It's one point three seven surveyed Professing Roman Catholics around the world.

So one point three seven, but my notes I so years ago. I've been my notes Mean billion one three point point three billion.

Sorry 1 .3 billions are and so but in my notes So from years ago was 1 .3 2 billion.

So just 1 .3 to round it off I divided that by 24 for the hours of the day and I divided that again by minutes in an hour

And I've got 900 plus thousand every minute are praying to a saint not necessarily

Mary Just one of the Saints per minute 900 ,000 and so I actually

I've been moving to I've been meaning to get up I've been meaning to get up off my butt and make a video of this because I even made an audio file

Nine pastors and one audio file of the Pope all 10 Oh 10 audio files all and I put them in audacity and I put them all in one mp3 for one whole minute

All all talking at the same time And I've been meaning to put it to show people Okay, so you you if you challenge you for this is 10 9 pastors and one pope

Isolate in your ears one person talking And what they what they say and write it out to me what they're saying and if you can do that I'll give you one second not even one second of billions of a second of what she's doing for one minute

And you okay, so they're gonna say okay, so maybe it's not 900 ,000 which I'll give that you know, say there's 30 say there's 40 saints and she's one of them

Okay, so you divide the number by 40? You probably get it. You know, you probably get somewhere around 80 000

Well, you gotta do this too though. You gotta say how many how many minutes in a day? and uh

How many average you got to kind of guess how many minutes does an average catholic pray a day? Let's just say five minutes

That's a lot. Okay, then you use five minutes Uh at times that many and then do the math that way and see what happens

Oh, she has so because I have actually heard one roman catholic tell me, uh, or no

Actually wasn't ever talking to me. I was listening to in a video and they were saying okay So, uh, mary's more of a receptionist and she's been given the power

To open the prayers like a filing system Maybe it was someone talking to you and i'm like that's just making it worse.

So now she's taking her time You know between you know, some sort of office coffee break

You know to read your file in a filing cabinet and by the time she opens the drawer with your file in it

She's got another whole storage room full of filing cabinets She hasn't even seen yet to wait to wait for her before she's finished these these

Yeah, but brother joseph, don't you understand that time is not the same you're doing there So she can do this all at once because it's forever

It's like it was not a time a day's a thousand years a thousand years a day so she can do it That's how it works so in other words they are making her into a deity a god

Yeah, I called her a functioning goddess in catholicism and they don't like it, but they understand it

She is a functioning goddess to them Yeah, yeah. Oh hold on stevie steve

Can't hear you Um, hold on. Are you on a mac or you on a pc?

pc Okay, I used to be a computer tech go to the I don't know how much you know, but go to the bottom right hand corner

Put your mouse the bottom right hand corner. Don't click anything put your mouse over the speaker And then right mouse click over the speaker and go sound settings

All right, that'll open it up And then you'll you'll see that it you need to do the right.

Uh voice You make sure that the microphone is set to the right one And if it doesn't work

Sometimes you got to reboot your computer, but also there's another thing you got to do with the browser, too So check that and i'll tell you what to do with the browser and that should fix it.

Okay So right hand corner, it's called the system tray and There's a speaker right mouse click on the speaker go to open settings or sound settings.

Excuse me Okay Mm -hmm sound settings

And then in sound settings, it'll open up here. I'll show you i'll do i'll share my screen. Okay, what is You on the phone

Okay, let me share my screen I'll show you what to do Okay, let's see share screen.

I used to be tech support for a while and uh, I still enjoy that All right.

Here we go So you can see this watch What you do is you go down here

Bottom right there right mouse click right down there speaker. There's a speaker right there

If you can't get it shake your head no, you can't get it good now go to sound settings

Okay, you have headphones here scroll down To the device speaking that's uh for your microphone

Okay, and pick the right one that's your microphone Doesn't work yet just keep talking

Now there's another something you got to do though Okay, and what you need to do

Is is probably this? You come in here to uh

You're inside of stream yard At the bottom of stream yard. It says settings.

Do you see it says settings? Go to settings and then it'll open up and then you want to click on audio

Has mic and speaker in there It makes sense We'll try for a little bit longer here i'll share my screen for the the one for this

Entire screen and we'll go Here and there we go there so At the bottom of the screen right down here

Okay settings click okay And then you go to audio don't know if it's covering the screens.

I don't know if you can see it But you go to audio Okay, then you pick down the microphone

Okay, pick the right microphone. I have lots of stuff And then you can talk and if it can you hear me?

Yes now we hear you. All right That did it. Awesome. Thank you. Thank you

All right one more thing The trick not many people know i'm going to share this one trick for those people who know because this is a

Lot of people they get so stumped and this one little thing will help you and uh,

This is it and i'll show it to you. I'll be done. But here's here we go. It's oh

I go to the browser Okay, so the browser you come right up here to this thing right here.

You see this? Yeah. Yeah here and you click that and it'll uh, it'll give you settings for Microphone and stuff a lot of people don't know that's there

And they'll work everything and they can't figure it out because the browser isn't set. Also Okay, i'm done.

Okay. Okay. Well, you know that was actually almost as helpful as your karm website Which helped me get out of roman catholicism

One thing is what happened is that the reason I think I was having trouble with it is because my wife

Got me a new microphone for my birthday and I think she was kind of fiddling with it And and that's why you

I could you could see me, but you couldn't hear me But anyways getting back to the debate and and william albrecht

I don't know how much you heard earlier because I was coming and going You know with my phone because I have problems with the phone for some reason

But i've known william albrecht for over five years and he was a guy that I was talking with you matt Earlier in the year and I says if you ever debate this guy, he's going to use all kinds of logical fallacies

If you know If you've ever watched the debate between him and dr Michael brown on purgatory

He did the same thing grandstanding pontificating going around beyond the boundaries of the agreed upon parameters of debate and one thing he's been saying is that um that the two you agreed ahead of time to not just focus on Scripture that you agreed on but also early church fathers and everything else

I wouldn't do that. Yeah, and he he said the same thing with dr Brown too and he's yet after two and a half years to provide that type of information

But um I had the opportunity to debate him on the canon and the merian dogmas and I refused to because I know this is how he is

And honestly, I gotta give you credit matt. I don't know how you held out with him for two and a half hours

Well It was to Actually in part to show how bad he was

Yeah, he was bad, but he can't even see it and the people can't see it That was one thing the other was they say, you know,

I quit I don't do that Uh in different chat rooms if people just continually over talk me

It's not a formal debate. I'm out. I'm going to talk to you, you know That's one thing and the other is I was able to give the gospel several times.

Yeah, that was good So for me, it's a victory and I wouldn't say even won or lost

He's going to claim victory, but he I would say he was not able to substantiate from scripture that mary has intercessory value

So he didn't do that. So he lost I showed from scripture. That's not the case Right.

So well, like I said, I was enjoying listening to you like your opening statement and your responses and everything, but I I'm, sorry, but I couldn't stomach him because I've I've learned so much in the past and he's gotten worse and he brought up about sam shamoon because you know they're the brother in arms if you've ever seen them and He's William has always been this way, but he's gotten progressively more vitriol since he's been with sam shamoon, honestly

Yeah, sam is a bad example. Oh, he's horrible. By the way. Did you actually just leave or did he boot you out?

at the end Oh, no. No, it was just gonna go on and on. I just said look, you know, I gave my my final thing

I said look i'm gonna open up an after show thing i'm gonna be gone I'll open up in five minutes people go look i'm out of here

You know it was gone and I said, okay So i'm going and i've saved my stuff about the gospel and they're everything and it didn't do well

It says i'm out. That's it. I'm going and then that was it. I just left So if they say oh he couldn't handle he left and that's they are

Yeah, they are That's not true And it's like most debates a lot of debates, you know Don't exceed much over two hours and you were there for like two and a half hours

So how could they say that you were you you've left? I mean it was pretty much over and had been over for a while.

And what was the the resolution? was Proving from scripture that mary, uh intercedes, you know for those living on earth

And he was not able to provide any evidence. The other thing is he kept uh going back to revelation 12

I don't know if you're familiar but there's the catholic church has allegedly Claimed to have only infallibly interpreted six verses out of the bible.

It's this letter that I got heard as much as 11 Yeah Yeah, it's actually I I saw a letter

I got from my friend dr Tony costa and and and it's this letter it's a catholic letter and it's six verses that interprets seven

Catholic dogmas and doctrines Revelation chapter 12 is not one of them So when they try to use revelation chapter 12

It is simply an opinion of the catholic apologist and those that agree with them Like if they try to draw from early church fathers, the early church fathers are not infallible

So it's like all this is the opinion of the catholic apologist That revelation 12 was talking about mary

But like you said if it's mary mary's in heaven mary's given birth mary's having birth pains Which is a sinner and then it says that she has children later while that refutes the the perpetual virginity of mary

Right Yep. Yeah, I brought this stuff out and uh

Yeah, and you know Well Just yeah. Yeah Just so much, you know

Yeah, so I mean I I would i'd love to debate him because i've debated other catholics like, um, robertson jennis, you know on the mary dogmas, uh

Trent horn from catholic answers i've debated. Um, I might be debating jimmy akin on on um purgatory at some point and and it's like I'd like and I debated gary matured on the canon, you know, but um

William I like to debate but he's just I would spend more time saying

Forgive me. Shut up. William. I'm trying to talk here. Stop talking over me, you know It's like the fact you guys didn't have a moderator

It's like this is a guy that you need like two moderators one to control the debate one to control him

Yeah, yeah, he was bad I had no idea he'd be bad And uh what what we're gonna do is uh any debates

I have from now on starting in january. We're gonna put up a page Strict rules this is you don't want to Adhere to these we don't debate right and they're very clear

So they have to send me an email agreeing. This is a debate And uh, you know,

I can arrange all this stuff and we have a moderator, uh, you know things like that right, right, um

Where do you usually moderate like like, um, you you go on like, um gospel truth or anything like that?

sometimes, uh, you know, I don't do I don't Moderate I could do it. No, no, no, I mean where you're where you're a um a participant

Yeah, truth gospel, but uh, what's his big truth defender here? him um marlin's place

And what you know marlin has temporarily suspended Um his debating, you know recently so he doesn't know if it's definite or indefinite or not

But um because i was supposed to debate a catholic on the eucharist With uh with the catholic but we got rescheduled and now i'm going to be doing it on standing for truth sometime for the first year

I think you and I are keeping contact. I think you don't worry about the baldness. Mike don't know well Well, you sent me all your notes a while back, you know

Which and I haven't forgotten about it and you're like because I want to share with you some things

About mary and the canon you said well put it in light blue, you know, so it stands out You know, so I haven't forgotten about it, but it's like I keep getting backed up between debates and discussions and stuff like that So I want to let you didn't forget about it.

I I am going to send that back to you Sure, just do that And you should send me your phone number because I need experts who know it better than I do

I think you know catholicism better than I do. We were you were inside it and that always I was inside it and like and it's so funny ever since I wrote my book about the canon why protestant bibles are smaller

I've actually learned a lot more since then I learned a lot of it being catholic myself but since then and it's so funny because they say

Don't ignore the commentaries on catholic theologians because they have a tendency to sometimes be more honest than catholic apologists

Because catholic apologists have an agenda, you know And so a lot of the resources I get sometimes for the canon from the mary dogmas or whatever

I actually get from not just like protestant sources like yourself, which has been invaluable but also from catholic sources as well

I mean, it's amazing how they know Me I need everything my notes are now 237 pages.

Wow and So I keep adding to it and uh and stuff

But what i'm going to do is put them on karm under a paid subscription thing

So people can get the notes that they develop Because we've got to find a way to bring money in to keep the site going and support everybody everything's for free

It's always been for free But we're going to try and do a couple things where people can just you know Five dollars a month you get access to this from there

Well, i'm constantly sharing i'm constantly sharing calm karma on social media and stuff because i'm like you gotta check this out you gotta check this out, but I just just out of curiosity and I don't want to put you on the spot man, but what um

What um qualifications does it take to write on karm .org?

I mean, I know you own everything like if someone submits like an article, you know I mean like for instance, I think luke has written a couple things in the past Well, he wrote about 400 articles he was with us for about five years what we what we look for is competence

We like it if a person has a degree, but they don't have to have a degree They have to be very dedicated and they'd be qualified in their areas to really be able to document stuff

Well, and then we we tell them you got to pray for two weeks Before you you know, because because people who work with karm get attacked

Okay Yeah, you just you do and uh We asked and then we we want reference to your your church

We want to talk to maybe an elder because we just want to make sure you know, everything's okay That's all right. Sure.

And then what we do is we sometimes we'll say here answer a couple emails And just see how you are and then uh, gradually, okay, you can write and then we check the first few

And after a while we go I don't care anymore. Just keep writing, you know, that's what it is Because I because I you know,

I have my own ministry and everything but it's like I'd love to leave like a somewhat of a legacy not for myself, but for a witness for christ, you know, because it's like I might my focus is is reaching out to roman catholics because I was a roman catholic and I have a desire to lead people to christ, which of course, it's the holy spirit

You know that does all the work, you know We're just the witnesses and tell the truth and spread the gospel Have like one article at least on karm because and part of it is because in those early years where I was like sucking on the milk, you know coming out of roman catholicism karm was one of the first christian websites

I found and it was so helpful because i'm like What about this? What about this and I go to karm and I would find it there and i'm like, okay

That makes sense. And and I went from being like in our basically armenian type roman catholic to a five -point

Oh, I didn't know good. Well now Automatically that just that brings you up there.

Well, you know You pedo baptist or not? Oh, i'm i'm pedo.

Oh, no. No, i'm i'm credo credo All right, i'm pedo, but whatever continuationist or cessationist, um continue.

Well, no, i'm um, I'm i'm cessationist, but I have I consider um continuationist to be brothers in christ

Okay, i'm a continuationist. Yeah, let's see. How about uh, all male pre -male post -male

Um, i'm pre Okay, i'm all and uh, you won't be uh, a full preterist because anybody has full preterist we can't yeah, we couldn't do that.

Okay But what we ask is we ask people to agree with a statement of faith on karm

But in there for example, like continuationism or cessationism we say both both are okay

It's okay that's number one, you know, and and even if you're not a calvinist, that's okay Would you want to make sure you hold the decent?

That's it. That's it You're all five. I'm all five you with the hardest one for me honestly was coming out of roman catholicism limited atonement

Because because it's a whole fair thing But then I realized what's fair would be god sending everybody to hell any second and we are live

Yeah, we're live on a what is tonight? It's thursday night. Charlie your mic's open

Oh, sorry about that But charlie, he's the guy who got me started in apologetics back in 1980.

Oh, wow. Wow. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, yeah I met charlie. I knew charlie is charlie guy with the white hair

Yeah. Yeah. I know charlie. I've talked i've talked to charlie a couple times though Uh charlie, did you watch the debate and by the way brother joseph?

Have you got some stuff you want to you know, we're looking for for writers for karm? I can't write everything and we need more expertise and there's a karm style.

We ask people to write in The karm style Yeah style is

Like you'll notice for example, what is a trinity the first paragraph it's answered Yeah, okay a lot of times you write but you go to an article with a trinity five days later you're reading

Oh, there it is We don't do that. What we do is we get one topic and we have one article for one topic

That's the rule. We never break it Except pretty regularly. Okay So it's it's a pretty strong guideline, but you know

Whatever and so we just want people to be let it be succinct Is that just one thing and the reason is just a strategy because you can write more articles that way and you can aim them

For search engine optimization with keyword specialization and you can get more traffic in on individual articles

Yeah, that's true So in a way it's kind of a written form of a youtube short where you try to keep it like under a minute

You know because you basically have the main argument right there in veronia. Yeah Yeah makes sense

That's the minimum of 300 words and we prefer, you know, go up and and stuff like that It's just just get to the point.

I say to people Get angry and then write something That's what it is. That's what it is. You don't like that too bad

Okay, and uh that way you just get right to the point and you go That's what you want. Just get to the point and then if you're gonna ramble on more make another article.

Yeah It's easy Yeah, like I said, I didn't watch the entire debate but did you get into the whole latria dhulia argument with him he started bringing that up and like you don't even know what latria and dhulia is and I I said at one point

I go. Yeah, I know about hyper dhulia latria and and uh, Dhulia, I brought in the next one.

He didn't mention. He said did you hear him mention it? Give me a break Yeah, let me guess he brought up x77, right?

No, he didn't that's a surprise because that's like his go -to thing because um I had a debate with an eastern orthodox priest in 2023 on uh intercession of praying to mary and the saints and I really dug deep into the whole latria dhulia argument and it's like I went back to the hebrew went back to the greek the

Latria dhulia and everything and it's like anytime it's used in a religious context. They're synonymous basically

I mean, it's like you and so when it when it talks about dhulio or um, um latrio,

I think like with with that's in the greek Yeah Hebrew equivalents like when you go back to the ten commandments and stuff

It's like the one is basically like a service of worship and the other one is worship And so it's like there isn't this this distinction

I mean the distinction is is very nuanced on the context of the passage, but they're both forms of worship, you know

So in other words if you're committing Um dhulia, you're committing latria too, you know, if you're it's supposed to only be for god

So if they're doing the same and they're hyper dhulian and merry they're actually latria hurt them too

How how old are you? I'm, just curious Um, I just turned 54 Wow, and how old

I am Older than 54 How old do you think I am? How do I look? I like I like this.

How do I look? I would say you're five years older than than me. I would I would put you at 59 I'm 68

No, no, no, no, no, no, no, yes, I am i'm 68. I didn't have my birthday on the 9th

I remember you when you had your dark brown beard mustache and beard

That's how far back I go with you, you know watching and stuff. But um, no, I wouldn't have guessed that Yeah, most people don't i'm two years from 70

I'm, you know what i'm gonna say. I look pretty good for somebody who's 68. Okay. I'll grant that.

Yeah. I'll grant that Yeah, I wouldn't have guessed Unless it's Right after I get up from you know in the morning and go in the mirror.

Yeah That happens but other than that, hey look I gotta get down here at the top of the hour, okay

Yeah, and and I think I still have your phone number Obviously i'm not going to mention it on air but have you changed it in the last year because I can

I'll text you my phone number immediately afterwards. And if you could just send me a text back saying you got it

Yeah, no problem. Um, you can do that and uh Also, uh brother joseph man, you kind of impressed me a little bit, you know some stuff you've done some serious study, too yeah, so It's mostly because i'm challenged by those and who

I encounter calling me out and I go and prove them wrong and then I learn more from Reading the whole chapter from what they claim.

They know and I learn more about the lord and so Well contact us let's see if you guys are interested in writing for karm and researching for karm

We we want more people and i'll tell you it's hard for me to say that it's like someone i'm saying

Yeah to the guy you can date my daughter That's what it's like But I know it's what's needed and we need other people who can do quite honestly

Better job than I do in certain topics in certain ways because I write I I try what

I try and do is take complex stuff bring it down and then write about it briefly For the next one to do that so people can get this basic stuff

And uh about also thinking about writing a section where it's a lot more sophisticated where you get a lot deeper into stuff

And so it's a five -page article where you really get into deep depth. Here's the greek This is why that this is what the arist means.

This is why the imperative is not used here This is what that is blah blah blah blah and a sampling of that is uh, my article, uh, first corinthians

Uh one two call upon the name of the lord. It's a long article But it's a sampling of something that's more deep

So i'm thinking about doing that and having it as a section That you got to pay to get into and uh for this call it the scholar's corner, you know

We do we have to get we got to find a way to make more money because all the expenses are going up We have missionaries in south america.

We have them in africa and we're trying to keep them fed and they do great work It's tough. But uh, and we got charlie.

He helps karm. We got laura. He she helps there's so many And we're just it's okay to do that and plus the radio is going up in cost i've been doing radio for 20 years.

So yeah Contact me. All right. Yeah, i'll contact you and whatever

I can do and if the if it's the lord's, you know will basically um to to write an article or whatever i'll contact the pastor for my church that i'm a good friend with i'll pray for A couple of weeks about it and then um, it's it's in the lord's hands at that point

Well, I can tell already you're pretty articulate intelligent and you've studied and i'd love the fact that you're an ex -catholic

Oh, yeah, that means you just have insights. I will never have and those it's so valuable.

It's so valuable Yeah, because what because being a former catholic I know all of the strongman arguments that people that weren't brought up in roman catholicism have and and they just assume that about me

I'm, like no, I understand. This is what it means. It's like so when so when When we say that catholics worship mary, we're not saying that they actively willful do it

They're doing it without actually realizing it's sort of like saying it's sort of like something like abortion You know if someone will say well, we're not killing a baby when we're having abortion.

That's not the intent It doesn't matter what you think your intent is the action itself is still Likewise the action of of worshiping mary when you pray is still worship.

Even if that's not your intent. Yeah What shocked me sorry really quick what shocked me though is that Um, I don't like calling her this but she's my stepmother.

Yeah, my dad is the one who got Divorced my i'm living with my my actual mother. Anyways, my stepmother.

I asked her I asked her a decade ago Uh, do you guys pray to mary? Do you worship mary? And she said yes to the affirmative of both so and yet she's a darling little lady who's been you know, her husband her late husband who she she replaced he was a

High deacon of her of her church at the time and so she just flat out said yes we do and i'm like There's not too far from me there's a house we call the mary house

You walk in idols Everywhere of mary. Oh, I mean floor to ceiling along all the walls mary

You know, it's funny because catholics will say that uh The bible is a catholic book

That's a whole jimmy akin thing from catholic answers and and one of the things I say right away because coming as a former catholic

If it was a catholic book if roman catholics wrote it You really think that they would limit mary's name to 19 times in the new testament.

You don't think she would be flooded Throughout the new testament. That's a good point. She has a great point

Yeah, it's stuff like that. It's stuff like that. I think about you know, that comes out i'll read something and and uh,

You know like with this whole thing with the eucharist come coming up this debate or whatever There's something that my pastor said at church

And nobody else actually got it then i'm like wait a minute This is going to fit into my debate and what he said actually just proved

Um the the transubstantiation and the pastor didn't even realize he did it, but I noticed it so Well good for you.

Yeah good for you And joseph too, man If you want to contact me if you want to do info at karma .org

And we are going to be looking for more people to do stuff. I mean i'm 68 i'm slowing down And uh, just what it is and uh, but doing this for karma for 29 years apologetics for 44

Wow Anything before we go. Is there anything that I can pray for either one of you or for your families or ministries?

either one of you guys Look, my wife is the one who needs the prayer. I know I remember I know

I believe me Last time we talked we had a bible study and we actually prayed for her Now she does she's we got some good news today that the heart valve replacement had open heart surgery.

Yeah that it's not quite right It's got stenosis, but she only has to be checked now once a year and they got meds that can work around stuff

Oh praise god. Yeah, that's good. Yeah, so the stenosis, you know, so so that so did they end up putting you said a stent in her heart or No, they actually uh gave her a pig valve for her uh, mitral valve and then they fixed the tricuspid

And uh, and then while they were getting ready to show her up, uh her aorta dissected

Oh shoot that that's what that's what john ritter was and didn't he have a I dissected, uh, the displaced aortic or something like that Well, I actually my first I had a dissected aorta and then my second heart surgery was a mitral valve replacement

But they're both artificial Wow Well praise the lord that you know, he spared he spared your wife.

So so praise god for that So you got yeah Yeah But hey guys, look,

I appreciate you talking. I gotta go and I shut it down and it was great So let's let's you know connect and we're gonna be looking for people to to start writing and do some more stuff

We're gonna expand out because we got to and there's just so much to do More videos too.

Yep. I sent you a text. So All right. Here it is right here my opening phone I saw that I know

I show off. Yeah Hey, h -e -y there.

I just said it. There you go All right Got it. All right. God bless.