March 27, 2024 Show with Dr. Joseph C. Morecraft III on “The Most Significant Redemptive Historical Event Between Creation & the Cross of Christ”

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Iron Shepherd and Zion Radio audience. I always love to see the excited responses in social media of my listeners when they hear that Dr.

Joseph C. Moorcraft III is going to be a guest again on my show. And he's on again today.

He is pastor of Heritage Presbyterian Church of Cumming, Georgia, a very generous financial supporter of this program.

He's also the author of the eight -volume commentary on the Westminster Larger Catechism titled Authentic Christianity and today he's going to be addressing the most significant redemptive historical event between creation and the cross of Christ and its relevance for today.

It's my honor and privilege to welcome you back to Iron Shepherd and Zion Radio, Dr. Joseph C. Moorcraft III. It's always enjoyable to be on your program,

Chris. Well, once again, especially for the sake of our listeners who have never heard you on the program before.

They may be new listeners and have not yet had the opportunity to hear one of our interviews.

Tell us about Heritage Presbyterian Church of Cumming, Georgia. Well, my congregation is a small congregation in Cumming, Georgia, which is the county seat of Fort Sythe County on the north edge just outside of metropolitan

Atlanta. Our congregation is a member of a small conservative

Presbyterian denomination called Reform Presbyterian Church Hanover Presbytery.

Hanover Presbytery over the past 200 years has started churches all over the northern part of the

South and Ohio and Indiana and all through New England. Even Patrick Henry was a member of Hanover Presbytery.

We are committed to the original Westminster Confession of Faith, larger and shorter catechisms.

We are totally dedicated to the Great Commission and we have spent much money and much manpower in sending people to various parts of the world to preach the gospel.

We've got sent men south of the border where we have all these illegal aliens and everything and they preach in tent cities.

And then they also go to Cuba and as long as God gives us the finances, we'll send them somewhere else someday.

Well, you definitely are the pastor of a very generous church and I know that firsthand because your church is so extremely generous every year toward Iron Sherpa and Zion Radio and you are one of the largest financial supporters that we have and I thank

God for you more than I can ever explain in adequate terms in the English language, brother.

I wish we could give you more. Well, you give plenty and I thank you for it.

Well, we have a very interesting topic today, the most significant redemptive historical event between creation and the cross of Christ and its relevance for today.

Do you want to let us know to exactly what you refer? Yes, sir.

I'm really looking forward to our discussion because this is a subject that I have been preaching on for several

Sundays in our church. The most single historical and redemptive event to take place in the world between the creation and the cross of the

Lord Jesus Christ is the Exodus. Now, we might not think the

Exodus is that big a thing because it was so far away and so distant from us, but it is of extreme significance for understanding the

Bible, the gospel, Jesus, the Christian life, the responsibility of Christians in this world.

And we began to understand Exodus and Moses by understanding the first word of the book of Exodus.

And the first word of the book of Exodus in Hebrew is and.

A -N -D. Now, it's very unusual to begin a book with the word

A -N -D. Yes, it is. Unless you have a particularly important reason to do it.

And Moses had a very important reason to begin the book of Exodus with the word and because he wanted everybody to know that the church down through history that Exodus is about God's redemption of his covenant people.

The book of Genesis is about God establishing a covenant between himself and his people.

And that covenant we call the covenant of grace is a bond of union between God and his people in Jesus Christ wherein

God is their sovereign friend and Israel are his servant friends.

And so people like to chop up the Bible. They like to bring all kinds of discontinuities into the

Bible and that little word and shows that it's impossible. That God established this covenant with his people.

We call it the Abrahamic covenant. And people like to divide the

Abrahamic covenant from the Mosaic covenant saying that Abrahamic covenant was covenant of grace.

Mosaic covenant is a covenant of law. That little word and refutes that position.

That the covenant that God established with Moses that led to the Exodus is simply the fulfillment of the covenant that God made with Abraham 430 years before.

Now, why do we say that it's one of the most significant events or the most significant event, the most significant single redemptive historical event from the creation of the world to the cross of the

Lord Jesus Christ. Because it means far more than the average person understands it to be.

Even then, a Christian, we understand that it is symbolic. It has figurative meaning, but it points to Christ like everything else in the

Old Testament. But I began to be impressed with the Exodus when I was studying the transfiguration of Christ in the book of Luke.

Now, you know the transfiguration was where at night Jesus and his disciples, some of his disciples and Elijah and Moses who came back from the dead met in the garden of Gethsemane and carried on a conversation.

The content of that conversation is only given in one word in the book of Luke.

None of the other gospel writers tell you what they talked about.

But Luke tells us what they talked about in one word. And whatever those men talked about has got to be extremely important.

They talked about Jesus' departure. Now the word departure in Greek, I'll pronounce the word in Greek, Exodus.

So Jesus and Moses and Elijah and the

Apostles were talking about this new and greater Exodus that the

Lord Jesus Christ would bring to his people. In fact, the Old Testament prophesies it.

The Old Testament prophesies that there's going to be another Exodus that'll be so great that they'll forget about the first one.

Wow. So the Exodus helps us understand what

Jesus came to do and what real redemption is. Let me give you some things.

Sometime read the 11th and 12th 13th chapters of Exodus. You remember the context that till 430 years earlier, the children of Israel went to Egypt.

And the reason that they went to Egypt was because there was a global famine and they were starving to death.

And Egypt had food. And so they go to Egypt. In fact,

God takes them to Egypt, not simply to keep them from starving, but God sends them to Egypt to be an incubator to protect them from Canaanite immorality and idolatry.

Because Israel had been too weak to resist the dominant influence of Canaanite culture and Canaanite religion.

And so if they were to stay in Canaan at that point in their history, they would have been absorbed by Canaanite religion and ethics, immorality, and there would not be an

Israel. And if there wasn't an Israel, there would not be a Messiah. And if there was not a

Messiah, we would be lost in our sin. So God sent them to Egypt as an incubator for a while, put them in the best land in Egypt, in the

Goshen up near the Mediterranean Sea, made Joseph the number one, almost number one, the number two most powerful man in Egypt.

Pharaoh was the most powerful man in the world. And Joseph moved into a place of power where he was able to protect the church, was able to protect the covenant people of God.

And we all know that story. And so Genesis ends with a grave.

And that is Joseph dying and Joseph telling them that you can bury me in Egypt, but I want you to take my bones back to Canaan when y 'all get there.

And in other words, he was filling the people of God with hope. When you get there, he was confident that they would return to Canaan and the promised land and build in that land a godly culture.

And God's blessings will be poured out upon them. Interesting thing, by the way, in our archaeology.

If you've never seen the documentary, Patterns of Evidence, it is magnificent.

I've seen it two or three times. It documents everything from Joseph to the

Exodus to Moses, everything in between, archaeologically. And the liberals like to disprove it, but it can't be disproven.

There is an area where the Israelites lived in Egypt. Nobody, the liberals didn't believe they were ever there until they realized that this city, there were all kinds of houses that that were not of Egyptian origin.

They were ruins now, but they were houses built in the Canaanite style. And there was one particular house that had 12 pillars in its yard signifying something.

The only thing I can think of is the 12 tribes of Israel. And in the backyard, they had a memorial place.

It was a small, I've seen pictures of this, that it was a small pyramid and just a very small one.

And inside the pyramid was the statue of a man.

Now what's interesting about that man is he didn't have the same color skin as the

Egyptian had. And he didn't have the same texture of hair as the

Egyptian had. I'm not making this up, by the way. And there were still colors on his multicolored robe.

Not far from there was a channel called the Channel of Joseph. So, and also you can go to Israel today,

Palestine today, and see finally where they distributed his bones. So the children of Israel were saved from the corruption of the

Canaanites in Egypt, but then Israel began to backslide.

And Israel, after several years, began to fail spiritually.

And so there came another pharaoh that didn't know

Joseph, that was not friendly to the Hebrews. And so he enslaved them and treated him with great cruelty and brutality.

Then, during that period, 400 or so years after Abraham, you know the story of Moses.

And Pharaoh telling all the Hebrew women to drown all the little

Hebrew boys. But Moses' mother would not do it, so she put him in a basket.

She put him in the Nile River. And he was rescued by Pharaoh's own daughter.

And Moses' sister was in the bulrushes watching all this. So when

Pharaoh's daughter found Moses, the little baby, the sister came out and said, you'll need a nurse.

Let me get a nurse for this little baby. And in God's providence, the nurse was

Moses' mother. So she taught him the religion of the

Bible. She taught him about the one true and living God. He received the best education available in arts, architecture, politics, sociology, things like that, in the courts of Pharaoh.

And then he killed a policeman who was harming a

Hebrew. A lot of people criticized him for that, but the Bible does not criticize him for it.

And he has to be exiled for another 40 years.

He goes out in the wilderness of Midian. That's where all the descendants of Ishmael and the descendants of Abraham's wife,

Keturah, lived in Saudi Arabia. And he lived with a man called

Jethro. And Jethro taught him some of the most important lessons he's ever learned.

And I like to say this has a little hyperbole with it, but not much. He taught

Moses so that if Moses had not been taught by Jethro, there would not have been a

United States of America, and there would not have been a church governed by elders.

Wow. Because Jethro taught him. And we don't even know much about Jethro's background.

He may have even been a descendant of Ishmael. Or a descendant of Keturah. But he taught

Moses, who would lead the people of God, of which there was about now three million people.

And he taught Moses that civil government has to be representative to be effective.

It cannot be one -man rule. It has to be governed by representatives of the people.

Or Moses, you'll just kill yourself in the process. And secondly, it has to be governed by a series of courts, so that you have lower courts, higher courts, a system of courts that includes courts of appeal.

So with those two major principles, which Moses learned from Jethro, you have the embryonic, the seeds of the formation of the

Republic of the United States, and of churches that are governed by elders.

Wow. So that's one very important thing to bear in.

Why don't we pick up where you left off there when we return to the program after this.

Sure. We're going to have to talk about this for several days. Well, I want to have the first commercial break now, so I don't have to interrupt you mid -sentence.

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We're now back with Dr. Joseph C. Moorcraft III. I do have a question from a listener that I'd like to read before we continue with your train of thought.

It's such an excellent question that I'd like to eventually conduct a whole interview on this subject.

And perhaps you would be the candidate to do it or someone else, Dr. Moorcraft. But the question is coming from Wyatt.

And Wyatt lives in Sparrows Point, Maryland.

And Wyatt says during this time of year, there are several different television networks that air the very famous movie,

The Ten Commandments, produced and released in the 1950s and narrated by Cecil B.

DeMille, starring Charlton Heston. I was wondering, to your knowledge and to your memory, if there is anything in that movie that is not faithful to the biblical narrative of this historic event.

Yes, there are several things. I can't remember, but there are. But it's worth watching.

I mean, to see the Red Sea part of it, it's worth watching for that. Yeah, in fact, that's an amazing scene for that day and age to be that realistic.

Yeah, to watch the plagues destroy Egypt, it's worth it. There was another thing on Moses movie that came out just a few years ago.

It has flaws to it, too. But because of computers and like, it is even more realistic.

And the drowning of Pharaoh's army in the Red Sea is worth what every ad paid for it.

It's not reliable for teaching you what's going on. But you teach your children what it's all about, and then you can point out the errors when they watch the movie.

By the way, Chris, I just found out that our audience today includes somebody in France.

Yeah, my daughter, my granddaughter, Jessie Scarborough. Well, hello,

Jessie. And I'm glad you're listening to the show. And I'd love it if you were to spread the word in France about this show.

Now, in fact, I do know that we do have listeners in France and many other foreign countries. In fact, at least 28 that we know of, 28 foreign countries.

Is that right? Yes. And so it's great to know that we have a listener now in France.

One thing that I... Go ahead. I'm sorry. Excuse me. I was just going to say we'll go back to the

Exodus if you want to now. Yeah, I just wanted to say one thing about something that I knew was wrong in that wonderful movie,

The Ten Commandments. According to the Bible, Aaron was supposed to be

Moses' mouthpiece, if you will, because of his poor ability,

Moses' poor ability at speaking. And in the movie, Aaron hardly says anything, and it's

Moses that does all the talking. Well, Aaron wasn't as good looking as Chelsea. He didn't have as good a voice either.

I know. But anyway... But go ahead, if you could pick up where you left off.

All right. So Moses was trained by Jethro for 40 years, and God called

Moses in the burning bush to go back and to preach to Pharaoh and to call upon him to let the children of Israel free from slavery to sin and to Egypt and go out into the wilderness and worship

God. So, Pharaoh, as you just said, made a lot of excuses.

But God gave him Aaron and he said, God said, Aaron's going to be your mouth.

Just like Moses, you're my mouth. I'll tell you what to say and you tell

Aaron what I told you. And go into the court of Pharaoh and preach to him and warn him about my judgment if he does not obey me.

Now, you got to use your imagination because there's another thing that's wrong in the movies.

And that is this. Pharaoh, the mightiest tyrant in the world, with all this pomp and circumstance and palaces and soldiers, and here

Moses and Aaron go into his presence. Moses is 80 years old and Aaron is 83.

Two little old men representing the almighty God before the mightiest tyrant of that day.

So they go into Pharaoh and they preach to him to let the people of God give the people freedom so they can worship him in the wilderness or else.

One thing I want to say, because the liberals love to quote about the exodus, they love to talk about the exodus, particularly when they like to emphasize the systemic racism of the

United States, which is a myth. But anyway, they'll say here's how they use it.

They'll say the story of the exodus is a story of how the oppressed were liberated from the oppressors and they make it purely a political thing.

I want people to understand right off the bat the exodus was not for the purpose of political freedom.

It was not the story of how the oppressed people got political freedom from their mean old

Egyptian oppressors. This was a story of liberation from slavery to sin and death.

Remember why they're there? They're there to deliver them from the immorality of the

Canaanites. And now that they've fallen under the influence of the

Egyptians, because they copied now some of the idolatrous practices of the

Egyptians. The Jews copied some of the immoral practices of the

Egyptians. So God now needed to set them free again from slavery to sin.

And that's what the exodus is all about. It's how God liberated his people from slavery to sin and death.

And so he sent Moses and Aaron into Pharaoh.

Pharaoh was arrogant. He said I'm not going to let your people go. Moses said if you don't then

God's going to send a series of plagues that will devastate the whole nation of Egypt in all of its areas.

It will destroy your agriculture. It will destroy your economy. It will destroy

Egypt. It will no longer be the powerful nation it was. And the last plague will destroy all the families.

So I don't think we have time to go into all the plagues, but what's interesting is is all of the various plagues that God sent.

Grasshoppers, frogs, darkness, turning the Nile River to blood, lice, animal diseases, all those various, all those things.

All of the plagues were aimed, each of the plagues was aimed at one of the gods the

Egyptian worshipped. So this was Jehovah's War against the gods of Egypt.

And he was intending to discredit the gods of Egypt because the

Egyptians all worshipped all these gods. Maybe you've heard of some of them like Ra or Osiris.

God's intention was to discredit all of the gods of Egypt, to discredit all the priests of those gods, to discredit the claims of Pharaoh that he himself was

God, and to punish the Egyptians for their idolatry and to liberate his people from the influences of immorality and idolatry.

So the primary story of the exodus is not about politics.

It's about the salvation of God's people, the exertion of God's power, omnipotent power, delivering his people from the evil of Egypt.

Now, what did God have in mind? What was his goal in all this?

His goal was, there were several goals. His goal was to set his people free so that they could go out into the wilderness and worship him.

And not simply worship him, but worship him by the atonement, by sacrifice.

God loves to be worshipped by his people, and he destroyed an entire nation of Egypt just so his people be free to go out into the wilderness to worship him in spirit and in truth.

Secondly, God could have destroyed Egypt in one day.

I mean, it would have been no hardship whatever for God just to snap his fingers, and all of Egypt would be destroyed.

Why did God take so long? God went through a series of plagues of increasing severity, and he took several days in doing something that he could do it just by snapping his fingers.

Why did he take so much time? And the Bible gives us the answer, to make room for him to display more of his glory and his magnificence in the display of his justice on the

Egyptians and his mercy on the Hebrews. That's what it was all about.

That's why he had so many plagues, took so long. Romans 9 says that.

Go to Romans 9 and you'll see it. And when you read Exodus 11, 12, 13, over and over, it says that God did all these things in such a long time to give him more room to perform more miracles.

And to extend that time over and over, God said that he would harden

Pharaoh's heart. So this was a war between the sovereign

God, our God, Jehovah, a war between God and the

God of Egypt and all those that worship those gods, so that his people would be free to worship him.

Gary North wrote a great commentary called something like Jehovah versus the gods of Egypt.

But we must understand exactly the nature of this thing. So we'll think, know that it's bigger than just a political war.

So, God told the last plague, Pharaoh said,

I'm not going to let you go. Moses and Aaron preached to him and said, if you don't let my people go,

God's going to come to Egypt and he's going to kill all the firstborn children.

In the whole nation. Now imagine, kill all the firstborn children of the whole nation, that's tens of thousands of people.

And so the Pharaoh was arrogant. He had a firstborn son.

And God said the Hebrews will not be killed if they shed the blood of a lamb and sprinkle its blood upon the doorpost of the house.

And God said everywhere I see the blood sprinkle on the doorpost of the house,

I will pass over you or in Hebrew it says I'll jump over your house. And nobody in your house will be killed.

So finally, God did it.

At midnight, God killed every firstborn child.

Including the Pharaohs in the whole nation of Egypt. And it says that there was such a cry that had gone up from the

Egyptians that night. That has never been heard like that before.

Parents crying for their children's dead because they were dead. Babies crying in pain.

It wasn't easy death. So the whole nation was in mourning. And the only place where the plagues did not hit, and the only place where there was no death, was in the land of Goshen.

The land where the covenant people of God lived. Who'd put the sprinkled blood on the doorposts.

So we normally, when we think about the Passover, we normally think about the lamb, which we should.

I mean the lamb was sinful. The death of the lamb, the shedding of the blood of the lamb.

Both the shedding of the blood and the sprinkling of the blood both had significance.

The shedding of the blood of the lamb symbolized the slaughtering of the sacrifice.

The killing of the sacrifice that symbolized Jesus. The lamb of God who would take away the sins of the world.

And the sprinkling of the blood on the doorposts symbolized the application of the blessings and the effect of that blood upon those who believe it within each of these houses.

I mean there's a lot of theology here. And so the lamb and its blood central, of course, to the whole thing.

God says, when I see the blood, I will pass over you. And then in 1

Corinthians 5 it says that Jesus is our Passover. And that what that blood represented was the propitiatory, substitutionary, death, sacrifice of the

Son of God incarnate in the place of his people.

Hallelujah. Yes, sir. Amen. Now, there's another phrase that's spoken of over and over again in chapters 10, 11, and 12.

And that is the phrase when God says he sent a plague to the Egyptians and killed all the

Egyptians or destroyed their agriculture or destroyed their economy. But did not destroy the

Israelites. Then God says every time because God put a difference between Israel and Egypt.

Now the interesting thing is by this time Israel was almost as sinful as Egypt.

They had copied some of their idolatrous practices. They had adopted some of their immoral practices.

They were backslidden. So God did not spare

Israel because they were so sweet and kind and wonderful. They were guilty of many of the same sins that Egypt was.

So what is this difference? God put a difference between Israel and Egypt and he spared

Israel and destroyed Egypt. And what is that difference?

Sovereign grace. Amen. Because he destroyed the Egyptians because of their sins and saved

Israel in spite of hers. Yes, just like Jacob and Esau.

Oh, yeah. He is a sovereign God who has compassion upon whom he will have compassion and who will harden whom he will.

And as Paul says, behold the severity and the kindness of God.

Amen. Now somebody might say, well, my God's not like that. He doesn't kill people.

He doesn't treat people like this. Well, that person's God may not. He may be worshiping an idol.

But there is only one God. There is no other God behind Jehovah, besides Jehovah.

And he never did anything unjust to the Egyptians. Not one thing unjust.

Everything he did was in perfect justice and in sovereign mercy.

And so you see this as a display of the salvation brought to us in Christ.

Amen. Why did Christ save some and not everybody? Because God wanted us to see the glory of his justice in the condemnation of sinners and the glory of his grace in the salvation of sinners.

Amen. So there's some other details of the during the

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I just wanted to read a question that is definitely a matter of great controversy amongst

Christians, and it does relate to what you were talking about. We have

Colt, just like Colt 45, both the handgun and the malt liquor, and just like the

Indianapolis NFL team, Colt in Muleshoe, Texas says,

I know that there is a division even amongst Calvinists as to whether babies who die while in infancy go to hell.

And I know that God, as you stated, had killed all those

Egyptian babies during that period of history when you were discussing the

Exodus. I know that Charles Spurgeon believed that God would not kill or allow to die any babies that were not of the elect, but I was wondering what your position was on this.

That is a very serious question, and I think the Bible is clear, and that is nobody deserves to go to heaven.

Right. Not even little babies. All little babies are sinners. We were born sinners.

We came out of our mother's womb sinners, and all of us deserve God's condemnation.

So that is the first thing to bear in mind, that we are all sinners. We all deserve

God's condemnation from the moment we are conceived in our mother's womb. The second thing is, this is not the first time in the

Bible that we read about the death of little babies. There's two previous occasions.

The first occasion, of course, is Noah's flood. That it was not just adults that died in Noah's flood.

It was the entire human race, including babies, except for Noah's family.

And then there was another time in which people, including babies, died.

And that's when God sent the fire from heaven to destroy

Sodom and Gomorrah. God is never unjust to anybody.

God is a God of mercy, and He is a God of justice.

And we must praise Him for His justice, and praise Him for His mercy. I'll never forget what

R .C. Sproul said one time. Some young people in college asked him.

They said, Dr. Sproul, why didn't

God save everybody? And Sproul said, why did

God save anybody? That we are all deserving of God's displeasure and without hope, except for His sovereign mercy.

So we may not question the severity or the mercy of Almighty God.

That everybody on earth deserves the full force of God's fury.

And the only way we can be safe of that fury is through faith in Christ.

In the book of Isaiah, there is this statement. It says, can anybody stand before a consuming fire?

And people expect the answer to be no, but the answer is yes.

Those who trust in Christ alone for salvation, those whose hearts have been changed by the sovereign regenerative work of God, can stand before a consuming fire.

So these babies in Egypt, along with everybody else in Egypt, deserve

God's judgment. And we must never forget that. Nobody deserves to go to heaven.

Amen. And I've obviously... Go ahead. I was just going to say,

Charles Spurgeon, who believed all infants who died while in infancy must have been of the elect because of the the accounts in scripture where people are being described as being in hell, they are always conscious of their rebellion.

So Charles Spurgeon deduced that the babies going there were of the elect, the babies who died in their infancy were of the elect because they couldn't consciously recognize rebellion.

But at the same time, what I have told people is even if there are reprobate babies who die while in infancy,

I don't believe that anybody in the afterlife remains a baby in heaven or hell, just like people who are 99 years old don't remain 99 years old in heaven.

I don't think that there are any babies in hell, certainly, because those, if there are reprobate infants who die, they will not remain in that state in punishment.

That is right. They're not babies. They're fully mature human beings because God is just.

So that is a good question. It is a hard question, but we must go as far as the

Bible goes and stop where the Bible stops. And we must not be afraid to say we believe everything the

Bible teaches and not try to read into it things that we would like for it to say, which it does not say.

And the Arminians always bring this up in debate with Calvinists to deflect from the actual subject they're debating to evoke an anger from the listener or even a horror of the concept that an infant dying in infancy could possibly go to hell.

And they seem to neglect all of those accounts where babies were killed by God himself while they were living on this earth.

So they really can't consistently use that playing on the heartstrings, if you will.

And they, as a result, they cannot behold with awe and reverence the severity and the mercy of Almighty God.

Right. People like to talk about God's mercy but they don't like to talk about God's wrath.

God's wrath is a terrible thing. And the way you escape it and the only way you escape it is through faith in Christ alone.

Amen. Will you, would you like to pick up where you left off before the break? Ah, yes, there are a lot of other little details pertaining to that night before God killed all the

Egyptian babies. God told the Israelites at midnight

I'm coming to Egypt and I'm going to kill the firstborn. So before midnight several things

I want you to do to his people. He says to them, I want you to have a Passover feast and I want you to get your shoes on and your robe and put your staff in your hand and get out of town as quick as you can.

Now, why is God telling them the last thing? The Passover feast was to be eaten the night before the death of the firstborn.

The Hebrews had the blood on the doorposts and God said now when you eat this meal

I don't want any leaven in your bread. You're not going to have time for the leaven. I don't want you to take anything from Egypt with you anyway.

I want you to be fully dressed prepared to march and do it in haste.

Now, what is the principle? I want your people to hear this because I emphasized it so much in my sermon last

Sunday to my people and that is this that when

God tells his people to get out of town as quickly as they can he's telling them and impressing them with the reality of rapid fire change in a culture under the judgment of God.

Now, let me say that again. He's telling his people impressing them with the reality of rapid fire change in a culture under the judgment of God.

At one minute after midnight that night nothing would be the same.

They would be eating dinner that's the Passover and at one minute after midnight nothing would ever be the same for the

Egyptians or for the Hebrews. The Egyptians would all be in anguish and agony and the

Hebrews, God's chosen people would be on their way to freedom in the promised land to build a culture to the glory of Almighty God.

Nothing would ever be the same for them. And so when God goes to judge a culture you better be ready.

There are people that say Joe, today it's taken us a couple hundred years to get to the bad place we are in the

United States so it'll take a couple hundred years for us to get out of it.

Anybody that says that hasn't read Exodus or know history because when

God goes to judge a culture that judgment is redemptive for the people of God.

That judgment ends the threat of their enemies. And for instance the

Reformation the Reformation Europe had been slipping into darkness through the

Roman Catholic Church for almost a thousand years and so people would say well if it took about a thousand years for Europe to get in such a bad state because of Roman Catholicism it'll take a thousand years for them to get out.

They don't know history. It took one generation that for a thousand years the

Roman Catholic Church was failing European Christians and in one generation the entirety of Northern Europe was changed.

The darkness was expelled. The light had come and the Reformation had won the victory over darkness that had been in place for a thousand years and they scattered the darkness in less than one generation.

And so we can see that time again for instance in Judah when some of the kings were godly kings

Judah would be in a back -footed condition for generations and then

God would send a revival and Judah would be reformed in one month so understand that we're in God with a rebellion against God and God brings his judgment upon that culture in order to purge out of it the evil in it for the protection of the church things move rapidly and so we don't have to sit around and think well nothing's going to happen for generations.

Understand God says that one minute after midnight nothing is going to be the same for Egyptians or for Hebrews so get your sandals on get your robe on put your staff in hand and leave in haste so that you can get about what

I'm fixing to do so understand and there is a prayer in the

Bible Lord revive your work in the midst of the years I love that prayer but most people don't know what it means in context revive your work in the midst of the years and in your wrath remember mercy in context that prayer is saying revive your work of judgment in the midst of the years crucify the nation and the church and in your wrath remember mercy and the second thing we learn from what

God told them in their Passover meal is be ready to get on the march be ready to march the moment

God gives the order in other words don't sit around because you got more fighting to do

God's liberating you from slavery to sin and Egypt so that you can worship him but in order to worship him in this land of freedom and milk and honey you're going to have to fight a lot of tribes in the wilderness you're going to have to carry on a lot of wars with Canaanites in the promised land so you don't get to rest until you die be ready to march be ready to fight understand you don't get to rest until you die and that's what we got to teach our children and Israel the first generation of people that entered the promised land under Joshua were godly people second generation they were less godly third generation they were marrying

Canaanites and worshiping Canaanite gods wow one main reason the godly

Israelites forgot to teach their children about the war and we are at war we cannot peacefully coexist in this culture we must seek to convert it but we must also understand that this culture is not our friends and they seek to destroy us and so we must constantly be at war in an attempt to conquer the culture and change the lives convert the people that are in our land we must and that marching order means make a clean immediate break with everything you were amen clean break with man clean break with the seduction to the culture no more compromise no more mediocre living no more misbehavior no more unbelief things are immediate and you cannot wait for the sake of your children amen you really just answered a question

I was going to ask you I was going to say can we make without being guilty of eisegesis a clear application of this being allegorical to repentance and immediately

I began thinking of a young man and I hope he's providentially listening a young man that I introduced to a biblically sound sovereign grace believing church that he began attending faithfully showing much promise and hopeful evidence of his true conversion but after a while he was going to church less and less stopped going completely and he gave as his flimsy excuse

I've got to take care of a few things in my life before I move forward again with Christianity and I reminded him he has no promise that he is going to live through the night that he has no idea when

God is going to take him off this earth as we were just reminded about the horrific collapse of that bridge in Maryland Baltimore Maryland just a few days ago how tragic it was that there were people who were driving across that bridge some of them you could see from the video made it a second to the other side a second before the bridge collapsed and others did not and they had no idea obviously when they got in their cars that morning early in the morning they go off to work or wherever they were going they had no idea that that was going to be the last time they would ever breathe the air of the earth and so would you say that this is a very good

I think it's a great comparison yes sir and I saw a bumper sticker not long ago that said don't get

God started that God's wrath is the most destructive thing in the universe sin is not the most destructive thing in the universe

God's wrath is and so I wouldn't play around with it I wouldn't think that I would not try to convince myself that I can control when

God shows his wrath and when he doesn't that God is the sovereign

God and you're the creature and you must not presume upon him now is accepted time today is the day of salvation you don't know about tomorrow

Amen Amen let's see we have Arnie in Perry County Pennsylvania who has a question he says

I know this is somewhat off topic but I was having a conversation over the internet with somebody who could truly be described as a bigot and he was opposed to interracial marriage

I brought up the fact that Moses's sister was turned leprous because she was criticizing his marriage to an

Ethiopian and he said that that was ridiculous because the Bible does not clearly state that her skin color nor the texture of her hair was different than Moses how do you reply to such a person well first of all the

Bible nowhere ever distinguishes a person by the color of his skin Amen nowhere secondly the

Bible nowhere condemns interracial marriages but it does in fact condemn interreligious marriages so that you cannot marry a person from another religion and you cannot be unequally bound together with unbelievers

Zipporah the daughter of Jethro lived in Midian and more specifically it says that she was a

Kushite woman and the people of Kush were

Ethiopians so there's absolutely no reason to believe that she was not very dark skinned and so the

Bible does not forbid it and so it's interreligious marriage that God forbids yeah it's actually moronic to be opposed to people marrying each other who have different skin color it would be laughable if it wasn't so tragic that people still believe this that it's wrong and it would be like saying that a

Scandinavian shouldn't marry a swarthy Sicilian you know you could go on and on with the differences of the way people look it's absolutely moronic and it's even more than moronic it's evil the thing that the person should realize nowhere in the

Bible does God ever distinguish anybody on the basis of race it's always on the basis of family

I mean that sells it for me and there is only one race it's the human race yeah right and in fact it was the bigots who began using the term race to distinguish humans of different skin colors and hair textures yeah the

Darwinians yes the pro evolutionists yes well there's one more big thing that the exodus

I mean there's not just one more but there's one great big thing that the exodus taught the people of God now can you pick up on that when we return from our last break sure

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Well, we're now back with Dr. Moorcraft, and we have been discussing Exodus. And if you could, you said that there was a final thing that you want to highlight about the

Exodus during our discussion today. Yes, sir. Before I do that, let me remind everybody that we take the

Lord's Supper today instead of having Passover, because in the Christian church, there are no sacraments that require the shedding of blood.

And the Lord's Supper is a celebration of the fact that Christ is our

Passover. Amen. It is a meal that signifies judgment, that it celebrates

God's judgment on His enemies. In fact, it's also a judgment on those in His church that says that God will bring

His judgment upon those through the Lord's Supper that are unfaithful to Him or that take the

Lord's Supper without faith and without heart. So it celebrates God's judgment.

It's a celebration of deliverance and redemption through the shed blood of Christ, and it is a pre -victory celebration.

It's a celebration of the fact that we win, we've already won, we're to do it faithfully until Christ returns in all of His glory.

And the one last thing that I want to emphasize to this audience, they know, but there's a big dispute now among conservative

Republicans and evangelicals that's gone viral over the internet as it is so discouraging, and that is that Candace Owen, who is the black

Christian conservative woman, worked with Ben Shapiro and his

Daily Wire, was fired the other day for saying that Christ is king.

So I want to emphasize finally that the whole exodus teaches the

Christian church, teaches Christians everywhere, we only have one

Savior. You can't look to the state to save you. You can't look to education to save you.

You can't look to science to save you. There's only one Savior, and it is the

Lord Jesus Christ, and He also is our King. Christ is

King over every aspect of life. Hallelujah! All authority in heaven and earth has been given to Him, and we are to obey

Him no matter who else we are to disobey. There is a short paragraph that I want to read from a book that Archibald Alexander Hodge wrote in the middle of the 19th century, and he said this,

In the name of your own soul and its salvation, in the name of the adorable victim of that bloody and agonizing sacrifice which you draw all your hopes of salvation, by Gethsemane and Calvary, I charge you, citizens of the

United States, afloat on your wild sea of politics, there is another

King, one Jesus. The safety of the state can be secured only in the way of humble and whole -souled loyalty to His person and obedience to His law.

Amen. And by the way, I don't know if you responded the same way

I did on a number of occasions when there was a similar outcry of anti -Semitism.

Now, please don't get me wrong, folks. I'm not saying that I approve of Mel Gibson's movie,

The Passion of the Christ. I'm not saying that I am wholeheartedly supportive of that, etc.,

etc., but there were many people from the Jewish community who were outraged saying that this was anti -Semitic because it had the

Jews as being responsible for the death of Christ, and I have said to people who shared that view,

I have said to them, it is the worst thing that a Christian could ever tell anybody that they had nothing to do with the death of Christ, because that means you will never receive the benefit from the death of Christ.

That's good. That's well said. And Ben Shapiro should know better because of the fact that his very network that he's a part of was supposed to be based on its opposition to cancel culture and whiny mamby pamby liberals, and Ben Shapiro is famous for saying, facts don't have feelings, or facts don't care about your feelings.

And so it's an outrage that he would be a part of the termination. Oh, no, he's practicing cancel culture.

Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. That's why it's so outrageous and hypocritical. Yeah, it is.

But before we run out of time, I would like you to summarize what you most want etched in the hearts and minds of our listeners today before we go off the air.

If you're not familiarizing yourselves with Genesis and Exodus particularly, you're not going to understand any of the rest of the

Bible. The Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, Deuteronomy are the foundation of the rest of Scripture and the foundation of Christians with Christ being the chief cornerstone.

And the thing to bear in mind is when they talk about the promises of God to the children of Israel or to the children of Abraham, don't define those terms in any racist sense.

The third chapter of Genesis is that if we belong—this is

Genesis 3, 29—if we belong to Christ by faith, we are the children of Abraham and heirs of promise without regard to ethnic origin.

Amen. Amen. Circumcised of the heart. And we are out of time, and I want to make sure that all of our listeners have the essential websites to get a hold of Dr.

Moorcraft and Heritage Presbyterian Church of Cumming, Georgia. First of all, the website for the church is

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