Collision w/ Jeff Durbin: Pride Month

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What's up, everybody? My name is Pastor Jeff Durbin. We're doing Collision, and today we're engaging with an Anglican priest who wants to support gay sex in the name of Jesus.

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Here we go. So apparently today you can find almost anything on the internet, and what we're engaging with right now is this

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Anglican priest who wants to support homosexuality in the name of Jesus, arguing that the

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Bible doesn't object to these sorts of relationships. It's June the 1st, so Pride Month has started.

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LGBT plus Pride. I bumped into some students on the way home from college last night, and they said it's 10 past midnight, so Pride has started.

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Pride Month. It's just an opportunity for me to say what I've been saying on these TikToks for the last few months when

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I've been doing it, that there is no supportable, justifiable Christian objection to gay and lesbian love and the expression of it between two people fully in a committed, faithful relationship.

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There simply is nothing in the Bible about that. There's nothing in the

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Bible about that.

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And this, you know, could you just divorce as long as you do it with a certificate of divorce? Can you do it for any reason, any cause whatsoever?

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And they were trying to get Jesus' take on that controversy in the first century. There were people who believed that you needed to have biblical reasons, reasons that were consistent with God's law to actually have a divorce in a fallen world.

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And there was a school of thought of Rabbi Hillel that said, well, you can get a divorce for any cause just as long as you give a certificate of divorce.

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Well, Jesus is asked to weigh in, throw your hat into the arena on this one. Where do you stand on this, this debate,

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Jesus? And Jesus tells him, have you not read that from the beginning he created the male and female, male and female from the beginning, which by the way, does a lot of, uh, does away with a lot of theistic evolution.

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From the beginning, he created the male and female and Jesus teaches them what they already know, that a man shall leave his father and his mother, he'll cleave to his wife and become one flesh.

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And so he leaves a set of father and mother to cling to his wife, a woman, male and female, and they become one flesh.

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So not only does creation, uh, shout to us God's creative purpose in relationships and sexual relationships.

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Uh, not only does scripture teach us that and show us that from creation, but all of our biology shouts it to us in natural revelation is screaming it to us.

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This is God's creative purpose and sexual relationships and unions, but also God has given us specific special revelation.

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The word of God that tells us how it's supposed to go. Uh, and he goes on here in a minute here to talk about, uh, different verses.

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And so here we go. The three references that there are are going to be about other stuff that absolutely does not fit with that wider set of values that are very emphatically, um, set out and demanded of us.

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So he wants to say that there's these three verses that have, you know, nothing to do with this discussion. No, actually they have everything to do with this discussion.

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And he also says that there are these other values in scripture about relationships that, uh, these are the more important things.

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Well, actually we're supposed to take God's revelation together. God doesn't stutter and he isn't the author of confusion.

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And so when he speaks about sinful expressions of human sexuality, those count too.

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And when he speaks about the fidelity we're supposed to have in those human relationships, those count too.

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It is very interesting because he's somebody who is, again, wearing the clerical collar referring to the

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Bible saying these three verses don't matter. But in these ones about fidelity and relationships like those really matter.

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It's interesting because the Bible actually has more pointing towards other sinful expressions of human sexuality that don't involve homosexuality.

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Like it talks about rape and gives capital punishment for rape. Uh, modern society has abandoned the victim's rights, uh, victims of rape, uh, in a way that is horrific.

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Uh, but it talks about bestiality, talking about having sex with animals. It talks about a number of sexual sins, including heterosexual sins like fornication and those sorts of things.

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But so it mentions a number of sexual sins that I would imagine this dude with a clerical collar would probably highlight and say, yeah,

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I agree with that one. Like for example, sex with animals, scripture condemns that, forbids that.

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Um, it, we're supposed to be horrified by that sort of a thing. I, I hope that this Anglican priest would point to God's revelation and say, yeah,

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God's word opposes bestiality. But that's not the only thing that God's word does.

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But I'm sure he'd want to stand on that and say, well, you know, that's good and true and proper and, and beautiful. But he doesn't like the fact that the

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Bible does actually explicitly condemn homosexual sexuality and homosexual relationships.

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It explicitly does. Um, you can go back to the beginning of the Bible and move your way all the way to the back.

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Of course, everyone knows the famous story of what takes place in Sodom and Gomorrah. Uh, scripture further defines it later as they went after strange flesh.

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In Genesis 19, five through seven, it says they called out to Lot and said, where are the men who came to you tonight?

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Send them out to us so we can have sex with them. Scripture condemns Sodom and Gomorrah as a wicked place, an evil, wicked place.

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And where these men actually come because they see these angels, they think are men and they want to have sex with them.

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And scripture defines many sins in Sodom and Gomorrah. But one in particular was they went after strange flesh and these are men wanting to have sex with other men.

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And of course, this is in the very same book, the book of Genesis, that defines harmonious sexual relationships as male, female, image of God, coming together, one flesh and multiplying and filling the earth.

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Then you move into the next part of the Torah and you get into Leviticus 18 .22 where it's pretty explicit.

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You shall not lie with a male as with a woman. It is an abomination. It is detestable.

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It is loathsome to God. It was seen as a sin and a crime in scripture.

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There are some things, some things in scripture that are sins, but not crimes. And there are some things in scripture that are sins and crimes.

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And of course, as you read Leviticus, you can see very clearly that this was seen as something that tore at the very fabric of human relationships, human sexuality and society.

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It disrupted it and destroyed it to the effect that God actually said that this is a sin and a crime.

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And you shall not as a man lie with another man as with a woman. And there are, of course, all of these ways that people try to get very creative to get around the explicit, clear statement made there in Leviticus and in other places by saying, well, this is talking about this is not talking about loving, caring, nurturing, committed male and male relationships.

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This is talking about temple prostitution. This is talking about exploitive relationships, exploitative relationships.

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But in reality, if you just simply read the text, it's very, very clear. It's abundantly clear. And many homosexual

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Bible scholars admit to it freely, absolutely, that this is the Bible is totally opposed to homosexual sex.

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It can't be gotten around. But people do try to get creative. And the text is clear, though.

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You shall not lie with a male as with a woman like you do a woman.

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If we want to say I'll take a stab at it for a minute here. If we want to say this is about temple prostitution. So are we saying that God is actually fine with temple prostitution so long as it's with a woman?

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Because the text says you should not lie with a male as with a woman. So God's fine with temple prostitution as long as it's a woman, just not with men.

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It's clear not with a man as you do with a woman, because that is how human sexuality is supposed to work its way out.

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And, of course, you have another reference to it in Leviticus 20, verse 13. You have another reference to it in 1

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Corinthians 6, 9 through 10. The Apostle Paul says this. Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God?

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Do not be deceived, neither the sexually immoral, which would encompass more than homosexuality.

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Heterosexual sin, adultery, fornication. It could be a host of issues, not just homosexuality.

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The Bible's not trying to pick on homosexuality. It has a lot more to say, actually, about adultery in heterosexual relationships.

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It says nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality, nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.

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No, the Bible's very clear. It actually gives many different categories of sin. And one of those is homosexuality.

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And that's clearly men lying with men. And it's clearly something that's condemned in Scripture.

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And it is saying that you will not inherit the kingdom of God by practicing it. Scripture's very clear. You also have 1

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Timothy 1, verse 10. The Apostle Paul is writing to Timothy.

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And he says in verse 10, the sexually immoral men who practice homosexuality, enslavers, liars, perjurers, and whatever else is contrary to sound doctrine.

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He lists that in a category of sins that are in accordance with the gospel itself.

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So after the resurrection of Jesus, after the ascension of Jesus, the Apostle Paul, long after that's done, the kingdom of God is present.

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It's fully in force. He mentions some sin. One included is homosexuality, men who lie with other men.

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And he talks about it in terms of these are sins. The law of God is good. It condemns these things.

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And all of this is in accordance with the gospel itself. And so, of course, the premier passage that is so, so abundantly clear is the book of Romans in Paul's letter to the church in Rome.

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In Romans chapter 1, verses 26 to 27, the Apostle Paul describes the fallenness of humanity, that everybody knows the true

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God. They don't want that God in their knowledge. They don't want to be thinking about Him. They don't want to know Him. And it says, for this reason, because they suppress the truth of God and unrighteousness,

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God gave them up to dishonorable passions, for their women exchanged natural relations for those that are contrary to nature.

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It's contrary to nature itself. That's what I meant by natural revelation is screaming to humanity of this is the natural function of female sexuality and male sexuality.

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And it says that these women, they exchange God for a lie. They worship and serve the creature rather than the creator.

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And it says what they do is they exchange the natural function, the natural function for those that are contrary to nature.

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And the men likewise gave up natural relations with women and were consumed with passion for one another.

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See, what's interesting here in the text that's before us is what's condemned by the Apostle Paul, inspired revelation from God, inspired apostle.

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What's condemned is not just the act of homosexuality, men with men, but what's condemned is also the being consumed with passion for one another.

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Now, I assume here that this Anglican priest believes that in male -male relationships and female -female relationships that are these committed, faithful relationships one to another,

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I would assume he believes that they would have passion for one another. They'd be attracted to one another and those sorts of things.

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But that's the very thing that's actually condemned by the Apostle Paul in the Holy Scriptures, which this

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Anglican priest pretends to stand on, is that these men not only commit these acts, but they're consumed with passion for one another.

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Men committing shameless acts with men and receiving in themselves the due penalty for their error.

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And so contrary to what this Anglican priest is saying, the

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Scriptures are abundantly clear. And I think the challenge I would want to offer to a man like this is, do you believe the

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Bible is authoritative at all? Do you believe it should guide and direct our lives and that we should submit to it?

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And why are you picking certain parts of the Bible that you think are the good things we need to hold to and you're just abandoning or waving the hand at the others?

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For example, when you say the Bible has much more things to say about committed relationships and we need to obey those things,

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I'd say amen and hallelujah to that. I agree with that. But why are you tossing out the others so that you can have your perversion?

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In the New Testament, I'm pretty demanding they are too. How about this Galatians, end of Galatians chapter five, love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, generosity, faithfulness, gentleness, and self -control.

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I think if we aim for a bit of that, rather than trying to sustain that ancient sin of patriarchy, that notion that the male is distinct and superior to the female and all the kind of nonsense ideas that then get projected onto, especially...

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There's so much here. It's interesting because in Galatians chapter five, the chapter he's attempting to quote from, what he's actually quoting are the fruits of the

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Spirit of God that are present within believers. These are fruits of the Spirit of God that are present within believers and love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, self -control.

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Against such things, there is no law. But it's interesting because he's pulled that literally out of a section where the

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Apostle Paul first says there, right there in that same section, in verse 16 of chapter five of Galatians, he says,

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But I say, walk by the Spirit, and you will not gratify the desires of the flesh.

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For the desires of the flesh are against the Spirit, and the desires of the Spirit are against the flesh. For these are opposed to each other to keep you from doing the things you want to do.

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But if you're led by the Spirit, you are not under the law. The law doesn't condemn us anymore.

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We're in Christ, the Spirit of God's within us. The law is not exerting pressure on the outside of us now, like, oh,

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I don't really want to do that thing. No, the Spirit's within us. Now the Spirit's actually been written on our hearts. That's what scripture teaches.

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But it says this. Now the works of the flesh are evident. And what is one of them?

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Here it is. Sexual immorality, impurity, sensuality, idolatry, sorcery, enmity, strife, jealousy, fits of anger, rivalries, dissensions, divisions, envy, drunkenness, orgies, and things like these.

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I warn you, as I warned you before, that those who do such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.

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It's something that's consistent from the Apostle Paul. He says it again, of course, in the passage I read from Corinthians 6.

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Those who practice these things will not inherit the kingdom of God. And what is one of those things? Sexual immorality.

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How would the Apostle Paul, who was trained under Gamaliel, who was a Pharisee according to the law, how would he understand sexual immorality?

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He would understand it the same way all Jews have always understood it. Male -female relations, covenantally faithful to one another, male and female sexually harmonious relationships, and it would be defined as anything outside of that as sexually immoral, including adultery, including fornication, but especially, of course, male -male relationships and female -female relationships.

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