Debate review

You can say what you want, but you won't around me.

Young misfits, a misfit in the trailer park at night.

A misprint with the sixth sense.

Been sick ever since my brother died of an OD.

My two cents never made sense, either to me or anyone else inside of the sheet bins.

My 9th Smith on my right side.

Why you staring at your cop dot sign and my John Hancock on the dotted line?

Tell me what's the bottom line.

The bottom line is I'm not right.

I'm not left, but this elephant won't fight.

There's nothing left but the spotlight.

Hold my beer.

You can find me in the moonlight.

You can say what you want, you can say what you want, but you won't around me.

You can say what you want.

You can say what you want.

I'm within the deep end, and I can't find my assigned seat.

To sit in.

My theology don't fit in.

Black sheep of the Reformation sheep pen.

To the Reformed, I'm just another Baptist baptized again.

The bastard child of Anabaptist.

Host to child of Reformation society.

We don't need your education.

Give me a Bible and a bookshelf of dead men.

Cigars, bourbons, and beer cans.

Bow ties, tattoos, and bearded men.

Making Reformation great again.

You can say what you want.

You can say what you want, but you won't around me.

All right, ladies and gentlemen, welcome to Open Air Theology.

I hope that intro music sound good to everyone.

On my end, it sounded like crap.

How did it sound?

It was good.

Okay, okay.

Maybe it was just me, I was a little worried.

Anyways, my name is Jeff, and I'm one of the hosts here of Open Air Theology.

I'm also one of the elders of Covenant Reformed Baptist Church in Tallahoma, Tennessee.

And so something different about tonight is, again, for some reason, my computer isn't working, so

I'm using my iPad, and I'm not sure where the camera is or where I'm supposed to look.

So if I'm just kind of like trying to figure things out, please forgive me.

Also, if you haven't checked out my new single yet, it's called Pimps and Prostitutes, please

support a brother.

You know what I'm saying?

Like, listen to it, give it a thumbs up, share it.

It's on all the platforms, Apple Music, Spotify,

YouTube.

Do that, and I'm gonna pass it over, hold on, to my brother, Tom.

Hey, you guys, my name's Tom Shepherd.

I'm with Grace Bible Church of Birney.

I'm a member there.

And I'm also the host of Even If None, and the co -host of Open Air Theology.

I'm glad to be here tonight discussing the debate that Jeffrey had.

I think you told everybody in your sermon today that you took his lunch money.

I didn't write that down, okay?

Like I have no filter, so.

So, you know, you kind of did it out of order, so you threw me off.

Normally it goes to the guy, and I'm usually on the bottom.

So I'm gonna pass it down to this guy.

I am Pastor Brayden.

I am one of the watchers of Jeffrey Reif taking this gentleman's lunch money.

I was present.

No, I'm the pastor of Valley Baptist Church in Hagerman, Idaho.

We had a blessed day worshiping God today on the Lord's Day today.

And yeah, if you live in this area, come join us at 11 in Hagerman, Valley Baptist.

It'd be a real blessing to be able to fellowship.

And worship God with you.

Preach Christ, crucify amongst one another.

But it was a blessing.

It was a great debate.

It was good.

I think I'm looking forward to being able to review these things with you guys.

Yeah.

Amen.

Amen.

Yeah, like it was, I'll be honest with you, like that was my first public

moderated debate like that.

And I would be lying if I said I wasn't nervous.

I think the big thing for me is because I do work a full -time job and I pastor a church,

just trying to find the time to put all that together was tough,

but I really, really enjoyed it.

And I also wished I had more time to do stuff like that.

So you probably won't be seeing any more debates like that for me, at least for a while.

But man, I really wished I had time to do it.

Normally as a street preacher, when someone has a disagreement, we kind of sell it right there.

Like I kind of relate it to whenever I was in the streets and gang and stuff like that.

If someone wanted to fight me, we didn't say, okay, we're gonna do this in six weeks.

We just do it right then.

And so just having that anticipation build up because the debate was scheduled nearly

six months ago and just having that whole buildup, like I really didn't like that a lot,

but I really enjoyed it in the moment.

Yeah, so I was really impressed with the way you handled his questions.

And I know that we're gonna go over some of those today.

Yeah, what was the hardest part of the debate for you, you think?

Just the time limit, right?

Yeah.

Yeah, because there's so much more that I wanted to say.

And I just think it's kind of like when you're in the moment, whenever you're in the

moment, like even if you have something written down, sometimes in the moment, you can forget to say

something.

But I think the hardest part of the debate was the rebuttal, right?

Because I'm having to write down real quick things that he said or whatever.

And I went back and listened to it.

And there's some things that were said that I didn't get to address.

But so much is said in the opening statement, it's really hard to touch on everything that

a person said.

Then you thought he was gonna start, right?

No, I thought that I was the...

And when you go back and you look at it, I was supposed to be the affirmative.

And Marlon, who I think is watching, he actually saw that and it was his bad.

So I prepared for the affirmative.

And so when I was doing my opening statement, I was trying to, on the

spot, change some words up.

And you probably hear me stumble a little bit because like the sentence would begin one way, but on the spot, I had to

try to change it to where...

It was, I mean, either way -.

I need to interject real fast.

When you say that you were gonna take the affirmative, it was in reference to the debate question.

Yeah, regeneration.

It's supposed to be regeneration precedes faith.

And it changed faith.

It changed from that to faith precedes regeneration.

That's why you were gonna take the negative.

Yeah, but all in all, I think it worked out good.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

But I think it worked out well.

I mean, I'm kind of good at being on the spot and stuff like that.

So I'm really happy.

I'm thankful for Marlon for allowing me to come on his platform and do something like that.

And I'm gonna be honest with you.

If you're not usually watching the gospel truth, I would encourage you to support Marlon.

He's a really good brother.

And he's gonna be at the Open Air Conference speaking for us next February.

So it's gonna be a joy to get to meet him in person.

And hang out.

The man can preach.

The man can preach that -.

I hope he smokes cigars.

Yeah.

What's -.

We'd give him the first one if he hadn't.

Before we jump into this though, we gotta mention yesterday though.

I gotta find the camera.

We got to mention what happened yesterday.

What happened?

What happened?

Well - Oh yeah, okay, okay.

We gotta mention that, Jeff.

Oh, oh, come on, guys.

What's wrong?

Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

What's your guys' take on that whole ordeal?

Well, I mean, I'm -.

So, I mean, do you want my tinfoil hat on or off?

I mean, that's the real question, right?

You're gonna say something about Bigfoot, so keep it off.

So did you expect it?

Was it unexpected?

Well, so it wasn't for me.

So here's why.

I watch a lot of -.

Okay, so I read Bibles, right?

And so most of the day I'm sitting here in my earphones on just listening to things.

And there's a lot of stuff on YouTube, but there's not a lot of stuff that I listen to.

However, I kind of go down some rabbit holes.

And so I heard a prediction.

So I can't remember where I heard it from.

It could have been Benny Johnson's.

No, I think it was on Benny Johnson's channel to where someone was saying that three or four

people were probably going to be taken out.

And one was gonna be Trump.

The other one, so one was Trump.

I think one of them was Alex Jones too.

Joe Rogan.

Joe Rogan and -.

Benny Hinn.

No, the guy from - Elon Musk.

I don't think it was Elon Musk, but it was the other guy that quit the Fox channel.

Tucker Carlson.

They're saying that these are the loudest voices right now that they need to be taken out.

And I was kind of pondering it.

I was like, hmm.

And then next thing you know, I see that happening to Trump.

And I was like, well.

Dude, it was sketchy.

But of course, I was doing some weird things, okay.

Without the tinfoil hat on, it is devastating about the family that was affected.

All the people that were affected,.

Like they were attending something and then they just lost their husband.

Husband, father.

Father.

Like that's devastating.

That should not ever happen.

Definitely that.

I also heard somebody say, and I don't know how true this is, that Ronald Reagan, after the assassination attempt on his life,

he supposedly was a believer in God after that, that that put the fear of God in him and really trusting God's

providence through it.

My hope would be that would be the same outcome for Trump is that hopefully this is a good shaking

of life to ground you on the rock, Jesus Christ.

That's what my hope is for Trump.

Thankfully he didn't die.

Yeah.

I also, for Christians that we could use this, I mean, the world saw this.

And just like you had said, there were people that went to that not thinking anything was gonna happen.

And you never know when you're gonna go.

So it took families by surprise.

A life was lost and two lives were lost.

And it's an opening to share the gospel.

It's an opening to say what would happen to you?

Can you imagine if something like this tragic, this can happen at any time.

So our time is short and we need to repent and believe the gospel.

Yep.

Amen.

Amen.

Melissa said, oh no, here we go.

And then laughed out loud.

And that's probably in reference to the Bigfoot comment.

We can't go down that rabbit hole right now.

We've already had a debate on that and I won.

So I have up on my side.

So what we wanted to do in this video was to review some of the things that took place in the debate.

Are you wanting me to screen share right now, Jeff, and just listen to things and go through stuff?

And maybe you can offer suggestions.

Well, I really wish you did your homework to where we know where we were going in this.

Like I was relying on you, man.

And once again, you dropped the ball.

It's good because your hands are small.

What are you talking about right now?

What are you talking about right now?

I got it right here.

Do you have it ready?

He is prepared.

I got it.

He is prepared.

What are you talking about?

The problem is you didn't communicate it with us.

So now what do we do?

No, I told you before the live stream started.

You see this?

I look like I was at the mugshot right there.

This is Brayden Patterson, ready to go.

All right, you got that all so we could actually see the screen?

We are going full blown.

We're advancing, right?

You better believe it.

Does that make it look better when I click it like that?

Yeah, it's better.

Okay. I'm just gonna hit play.

You guys say when we wanna pause.

And so this is gonna be him questioning.

So one of the questions that I really wanna touch on is where he brings up Colossians 2.

Well, we'll see if we can find that or not.

Maybe I'll pull up the transcript.

I think it's - Melissa told you to be nice.

Who, me?

They're telling you guys to be nice.

Be nice to Brayden.

Hold on, let me take it off the wall.

Put that on the wall.

All right, I'm playing this.

All right, go ahead.

I can't hear it.

Is there a mute button there, Brayden?

Is it not playing for you guys?

So we could see his lips moving, but we don't hear it.

I can see his lips moving, but I can't hear it.

I guess we're not -.

I don't know if you see.

We're definitely not.

Let me hit present again, screen share.

Can you hear it, Brayden?

When you do it?

I was on my mic, I was able to hear it.

Let me try this.

Screen share that.

It says it's on.

Are you presenting it now?

There we go.

Let me try to hit play again and see what happens.

First, it's coming off of the heels.

You can hear it now?

Yeah.

Okay, let me back up just a couple seconds.

If I'm kind of needs the work of God in order to believe, why does 2

Corinthians 4, 4 tell us that Satan is blinding the minds of unbelievers?

Something's going on.

If unbelievers are unable to belong -.

All right, and so it's talking to, yeah, here it is.

Is it messing up for y 'all?

Yeah.

If you read -.

Is it going pretty good?

It's working out for me on my side.

No, it's skipping.

I'm hearing a word, half a syllable every three or four seconds.

I don't hear anything either.

Okay, so we need to work.

We're having technical difficulties.

Sound is breaking up.

Time out.

Do you have internet where you're at, Brian?

Let me see if I can do something.

I might lose you for just -.

I need to go -.

Oh, Brady.

Just the -.

Now he's breaking up.

Braden, so this is the open air theology.

This is how we do things.

Hold on one second, hold on one second.

I'm going to put up Melissa's thing again.

Be nice to Braden, boys.

He's making it hard.

Thank you.

He's not making it easy.

Look at him.

He's not making it easy for us.

Is it better now?

The covenant is the letter of death.

Right?

Oh my gosh.

Is it better now?

Try it again.

Stop talking.

Is it better now?

No longer under the Mosaic covenant.

Yes.

And so, yeah, I think the gospel is so powerful that if it wasn't actively

being hardened, because I believe like Luther that Satan is God's devil.

Right?

He himself is doing what God has preordained for him to do.

And it is to blind the eyes.

It's the same sense of whenever the sowing the seeds, right?

Some seeds that he sowed on the rocky soil, the devil comes and he snatches away those seeds.

And so we cannot -.

Hank, for one second, because I believe -.

Yes, Paul.

So the question he's asking is about 2 Corinthians chapter four concerning Satan blinding the eyes

of people.

So I'm sure a lot of you are going to agree with how he's approaching this,

because he's approaching this as if Satan fell from heaven.

And I would argue that that's nowhere found in scripture.

So if you take Isaiah chapter four, is it?

Yeah, Isaiah 14, 12, where it says, "'O Lucifer, how you have fallen.'".

And you look at the context there, it's speaking of Nebuchadnezzar.

That's a prophecy of Nebuchadnezzar's fall that we see in Daniel chapter four.

And the word Lucifer means adversary.

And people have taken that and say that it was Satan.

I find nowhere in scripture where Satan was an actual created

angel who rebelled.

And so when he's taking that view of Satan and he's not

understanding that Satan is God's devil from the beginning.

Right.

And a lot of people, they don't understand.

They're like, well, why would God do that?

Well, because God is telling a story and it's a story of redemption.

And in every story, there's a bad guy.

And not only that, it talks about in Ephesians chapter two, it says, "'We are dead in our trespasses and sins, in which we

formally walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air.'".

So it's obvious that Satan is blinding the eyes of the people.

It's also that unless God intervenes through the means of preaching the gospel, which is what you hit on

in your sermon, that God saves people through means.

You said that like five different times.

Yeah, 2 Timothy, that area I read in 2 Timothy, beginning in verse 23, like he's talking to ministers or whatever.

And he speaks about how we have been captured by the devil to do his will.

Right.

That is the blinding.

That is what it means.

To be dead in sins is to be slaves of Satan.

That's right.

And that he is blinding us and the only way that we come to our senses is if God grants repentance.

Right.

And so he's just coming at this from a presupposition that is totally not

biblical.

I mean, I tell people all the time, if you would just read the context of the proof text,

it's gonna answer a lot of questions.

And if it doesn't give you the answers, then dig a little deeper.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I'm keeping the nations from being deceived, but don't think for a minute that he's not active in that

work.

So I have no issue there.

Yeah.

Okay.

Was anyone in the Old Testament regenerated?

For sure.

I just think the regeneration was different.

In order for someone to believe something such as Abraham, Abraham had to

believe that a seed was going to come from him that would inherit the land and bless the

nations.

He was very, very old.

And in order for him to believe something like that, that had to be given to him.

He was credited with righteousness.

We, in the same sense, believe in the same thing, are indebted with righteousness.

Okay.

So do you believe David was regenerated?

Yes.

And I don't believe the regeneration there is the same sense in what we have as the indwelling of the Holy Spirit,

but I believe that their sins were forgiven, that they were given a faith to believe, and the Holy Spirit would

fill them, but not indwell them.

So I would pause here and say that something that was just referenced before when we were having audio issues is that you

made mention of covenant theology, and you didn't say that exact word, you said in the old covenant.

And so right there, I think what he wasn't expecting was somebody that had such a strong doctrine of

covenant theology in general.

That's going to permeate in every single one of your answers.

Right.

So the other, I was also wondering, where was he going with the regeneration of the old covenant?

Was he basically saying that regeneration, there was no regeneration,

that people could take it upon themselves to muster up some type of a faith, and that the people in the old covenant

would be able to do this on their own, but yet Christ is saying that you must be born again in the new covenant.

Where was he going with that?

Yeah, so he didn't get to get there, but he was, because, so I was speaking, I'm gonna give a

shout out Jeremiah Nortier, because he told me that he would probably take this

direction.

But it's the whole thing, like if there was no regeneration in the old covenant, then there is

no regeneration in the new covenant.

And so that was gonna be his argument.

But as me and Brayden's discussed this over the years,.

And -.

You can give me a shout out now too, if you want.

Yeah, that's what I'm trying to do, okay?

Me and Brayden has discussed this for years, and Brayden is the one that brought it to my attention,

to be honest with you.

There's your shout out.

Well, that actually was like, having me to ponder and think about it, and then me and

Jeremiah, the same thing, we just kind of, okay, well, if there is regeneration, what does it look like?

Because it's not the same.

The scriptures tell, Jesus says that, speaking of John the Baptist, it says that no

one born of woman is greater than John the Baptist, and yet the least in the kingdom of heaven is

greater than him.

And so we have to, how is it that you and I are greater than John the Baptist, the greatest man born

from a woman?

And I would say it's simply because of the regeneration is a little

bit different.

John the Baptist had momentarily, I'm not saying it right,

times in his life to where the spirit would indwell him, but I mean, would fill him, but

there was never a permanent indwelling of the spirit until the

curtain had rent and Pentecost came.

Because what you're doing is you're looking at Ezekiel 36, and that was future promise

language that then Christ, as in John three, is now a current reality in the

new covenant that was cut out his life, death, burial, resurrection.

Is that correct?

Yeah, I mean, so if you look in the Old Testament, in order, so like God

forgave Abraham, David, and all of these guys of their sins, so they'd received grace.

They believed God, so they were granted faith.

The difference is, is they were not, the law of God was not written on their heart

in such a way that it is ours to where, I mean, it was, but it wasn't, to where the Holy

Spirit calls them to obey it in the way that it does us with a permanent indwelling.

So that's a good point there, but the permanent indwelling also in the new covenant allows

the new believer in the new covenant to have power over sin.

Whereas in the old covenant, they didn't have power over sin, right?

Would you say that they were saved from the, they were saved from the guilt of sin, the penalty of sin?

They were saved for the penalty of sin.

I mean, immediately after Abraham is justified with righteousness, he sells his wife as a prostitute.

Right, yeah, exactly.

Right, but as an indwelling, having the indwelling of the spirit as a new covenant believer,

that's something totally distinct from what the old covenant people of God had,

the indwelling of the spirit.

They were still counted righteous by faith, correct?

Yeah, 100%.

Right.

They're just, there has to be something because in time, the new

covenant is cut.

Right.

Right, and that's where, so Jeff and I, we've talked about this before,

that the old Testament saints were obviously saved on the credit, right?

Credit versus debit.

Credit versus debit, but also in the sense of new covenant language, they were saved through the

new covenant, even though they lived in the old covenants.

So they didn't have the full access yet unto that which had yet to

be cut.

Their sins had been forgiven, but yeah,

them as a covenant people, again, they couldn't go and knock on everybody's doors and say, you know God, right?

Because there were several that didn't know God.

That's a promise in the Hebrews 8 and Jeremiah 31, that that's going to be one of the indicative

values of new covenants, that we can't do that.

And so, and I think that that's also what we see also play out in Hebrews 11 a little bit, that

they looked forward to the promises, right?

But apart from us, they had not yet been made perfect.

Is what it says.

So I think that there was a longing for what we have in the new covenant that they did not have yet access to.

I hope that makes sense.

Yeah, so yeah, I'm wondering where he was going.

What did he think that regeneration looked like in the old covenant?

God still had to intervene and God still had to grant faith and repentance.

In order to be justified.

That's right.

In other words, God had to step in, in time and make a change with that person and be able

to have faith to believe.

If he would have left them to themselves, they would have been condemned forever.

Absolutely.

And also, if there was a indwelling of the Holy Spirit such as we have in the new

covenant, like there wouldn't have been a promise of the indwelling of the Holy Spirit.

Jesus is the one that does the baptism of the Holy Spirit.

And that was something that he also said.

He said that, I can't remember where it was at, but he said, it could have been in the questions that

were being asked by the audience.

He mentioned that, how can the Holy Spirit be the baptizer and the

one that you receive?

I think it's in here and I cannot.

I think it was in the group.

It was in the group.

We'll see.

Let's go back through.

Let's listen to it for a minute.

Okay.

Why would God call the nation of Israel to choose life in Deuteronomy 30, 19, if

they can't choose life unless he imparts life to them?

Well, he's always calling us to do stuff that we cannot do to rely on him.

He calls us to be holy, calls us to be righteous.

And these things are done by keeping the law and none of us can keep the law.

And even if we could, we fail because we're born under Adam's nature.

Okay.

So that's nothing new.

Okay.

What do you do with Colossians 2, 12, where it says that you were raised up with Christ through faith?

It sounds to me like faith is a means by which one can be raised with Christ to life.

What do you do with that verse?

Well, it's speaking about water baptism, not spiritual baptism.

When I step into the waters of baptism, I step into it by faith to receive the covenant sign of baptism.

If you can hearken that verse back to Romans chapter six, I mean, excuse me, Romans chapter,

yeah, Romans chapter six, verses three to five, we're buried with him in baptism and raised with

him to the newness of life.

All right.

So this is one, again, so like in preparing for him, all I did was listen

to Leighton Flower videos.

And listen, I'm being serious.

I can see in about six videos with Leighton Flowers and a bunch of people talking

where all this man did was regurgitate Leighton Flowers and I call him out

on it.

But so whenever Leighton, if you go back and there's a

video, there's a video, I can't remember the channel, but there's a video with Leighton Flowers

debating

Joe Webbin.

Joe Webbin.

And he asked Joe Webbin this question and Joe Webbin approached this as the baptism was

a spirit baptism.

So it was the baptism of the Holy Spirit.

And Joe Webbin had no answer for this.

But Joe Webbin also concerning the new birth.

So he looked at the first birth as a

physical birth and he looked at the second being born again

of water.

Yeah, so you have to be born of water and the spirit.

So the water there, he would say was natural birth.

And then, and so he said, you had to be born naturally and then you had to be born spiritually.

Which is the John MacArthur view.

Which is the John MacArthur view, but it's not a Reformed Baptist view, right?

If you hold to covenant theology, that's not the view.

The word, the word picture that Jesus is giving is of a birth, right?

So the analogy of scripture concerning salvation is of a birth.

The word regeneration, Pauline Ganassia, it means to be birthed again or again

birth, being born again.

And so the word picture is developed off of Ezekiel chapter 36,

25 through 27.

Anyways.

So we could, I still think that, and I think he was expecting you to give the analogy

of you can't contribute to your physical birth, so neither can you contribute to your spiritual birth.

Which I still think that we can make that application.

Well, I mean, so verse four would be the part speaking about

physical birth.

Versus five is strictly speaking about Ezekiel 36, the new birth.

All right.

So, but when Colossians two, so what he's trying to do with the debate concerning

flowers and Joel Webben

is that Joel Webben took it as that baptism was the spirit

baptism.

And he had no answers because it speaks about being raised.

Okay, here it is.

Colossians two, verse 12.

Having been buried with him in baptism in which you were also raised with him through

faith.

And so he's saying that you're being raised to life through faith.

And he's seeing that as faith proceeding, the raising to life.

And a proper interpretation of this is that this is actual water baptism.

It's not spiritual baptism, it's water baptism.

Right.

Because Joel Webben just ruined his whole night.

Joel Webben looked at this and made the argument.

That I've heard before.

And I used to hold to this argument is that being raised with Christ through faith is

speaking of us being spiritually dead, being raised with Christ in regeneration, where this

text is talking about a physical, you taking the sign of the new covenant.

It's a physical thing.

You were raised in faith in a physical water baptism.

It's a step forward.

But it's also a picture is what has happened to you spiritually.

Absolutely, but the first intended meeting of this has to be physical because that's

just what it is.

And if you have a different understanding of it, then you could argue faith preceding regeneration.

Yeah, I mean, so regeneration is taking place in verse 11.

So in him, speaking of Christ, also you were circumcised with a circumcision

made without hands by putting off the body of flesh by the circumcision of Christ.

That right there is the heart transplant.

There's your regeneration.

All right, and then it says, so once someone's being regenerated, next thing you know, they need to partake in the sign.

Having been buried with him, like this is how the whole idea with Paul says, I have been

crucified with Christ.

Well, when were you crucified with Christ?

In my baptism.

Right.

As Reformed Baptists, we don't see baptism so much as a symbol, but as a sign and

signs carry information.

If you watch them, I debate with that Lutheran, like whenever you see a sign that says Walmart,

you have a general idea of what's inside the store, if you're familiar with Walmart, right?

And so when you see someone that are entering into the baptismal waters, they are saying, this

is what it means, I have been buried with Christ and I've been raised in Christ.

When he died, I died.

He rose, I rose.

I live, my life is in him.

So your identity is in Christ.

Yeah.

Right, so Romans 6.

Yeah, Romans 6, which is to me, like the Bible speaks of different forms of baptism.

Take John chapter, excuse me, Matthew 3, Matthew 3, 11.

John says, I baptize you with water.

One come in after me, whose might and I, whose sin is unworthy to carry, he will baptize you with the

Holy Spirit.

So there's two different baptisms, water baptism, Holy Spirit baptism.

And then it goes, and fire, judgment.

The verse right above, verse 11, it says that the ax is at the root of the tree and any

tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire.

That will be speaking of hell.

Verse 12, the whittling fork is in his hand.

He will thoroughly cleanse the threshing floor and gather his wheat into the barn, but the chaff he will burn with unquenchable fire.

So verse 11, the fire is sandwiched in between two verses speaking about fire.

That's talking about the judgment of hell.

So verse 11, that fire baptism is actually being thrown into

hell.

All right, so there's a baptism of water.

There's the baptism of the Holy Spirit for those who are in Christ and a baptism of fire for those who are not in Christ.

So right there is three different baptisms.

Sure.

Which baptism means immerse as well.

Yeah, it just means, yeah, it just means immerse.

And so the idea is, so for me, I let the context tell me what the baptism is.

For the most part, I'm gonna consider the baptism, like in the New Testament, it's talking about

baptism.

I'm gonna say it's wet unless I'm shown otherwise.

Like Jesus said that he had a baptism to undergo and know how he wished it was skinned one.

And it was speaking about his being crucified.

And we partake in that baptism.

Because it's talking about his death,.

Burial and resurrection.

You bring that to I Peter chapter three, beginning in verses 18 through 21, where it talks about

baptism saves you.

That baptism that saves you is the death, burial and resurrection of Jesus Christ.

That's right.

All right, I'm gonna hit play.

So, yeah.

Okay.

I agree with that verse.

Do you believe that regeneration triggers justification?

Absolutely.

It's given to us.

We're justified by faith, Romans chapter five, verse one.

Faith is given to us in regeneration.

Yeah.

So Romans four or five says that God justifies the ungodly by faith.

So ungodly, unregenerate, depraved, however you want to label it, yet God is justifying them as

a result of their faith apart from regeneration.

How do you handle that?

I believe the ungodly there is speaking of the circumcised.

Yeah.

Yeah, the ungodly there is speaking of the uncircumcised.

And we are justified by faith, but that faith has to be given to us in regeneration, made alive

through hearing the gospel, given eternal life.

So Ephesians 1 13 says, in him you also when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of

your salvation, and you believed in him, you were sealed with the promised Holy Spirit.

Is that not a clear representation that faith or belief is the means by which someone is then sealed with the

promised Holy Spirit?

Absolutely, that's what I said.

I said that in my opening statement.

In order to have the Holy Spirit, it comes through faith.

Ezekiel 36, that's what I laid out the argument that it's grace, faith, and the Holy Spirit.

You cannot have the Holy Spirit unless he is giving you faith to believe.

Pause it.

As you can tell right here, I'm getting frustrated because he keeps asking the same

questions in a different way, right?

And I keep answering it the same way.

This is how you know that he's not doing his own question.

He's not kind of working off, he's not shooting from the hip, if you will, right?

He has these certain questions written down as a way to pin me down,

and I've answered them clearly, right?

That faith is given to us in regeneration, and he still keeps posing these questions

as if I haven't answered the question.

Like so many times, I just wanna say, brother, asked and answered.

How many times am I gonna answer the same question?

Give me something new.

Yeah, so he's asking the question in Ephesians 1 .13.

He says, in him, you also, after listening to the word of truth, the gospel of your

salvation, having also believed in what he's saying is, and we're like, yes, you have to

believe.

It's necessary, but how does one believe?

It's like, Braden, how does one believe?

Are you mustering it up in and of yourself?

We're dead, we're dead in our sins.

It's impossible.

That would frustrate me too, because he kept on answering that exact same question.

How does one believe?

It's true, given to you through regeneration.

He was looking at that being sealed with the Holy Spirit.

He was like, that's what, Jeff, you must think that that means regeneration right there.

So faith brings about a sealing of the Holy Spirit, brings about regeneration.

Faith precedes regeneration.

And then you just went back to your opening statement, Ezekiel 36, it says that one of the promises in with,

inside of regeneration is indwelling of the Holy Spirit, being sealed with the Holy Spirit.

So that faith is accompanied with the sealing of the Holy Spirit.

It doesn't mean that, it doesn't mean that that's what regeneration is.

Regeneration has these all encompassing things.

Regeneration is all three things.

Yeah, tell everybody what the three elements of regeneration is.

Grace, faith, and the Holy Spirit.

And then break it down.

Grace, to wash away the sins.

Grace is God giving us what we do not deserve, and that is the forgiveness of sins.

What we deserve is the wrath of God.

Mercy is God not giving us what we deserve.

Grace is God giving to us what we don't deserve.

And what we don't deserve is the forgiveness of sins.

We don't deserve for God to forgive us, right?

We do nothing.

We shake our fist at God.

We constantly sin against him.

And so by his grace, he makes us clean.

And then he does two other things.

He's going to remove our heart of stone and give us the Holy Spirit.

And so in the removal of our heart of stone, which I would argue is self -righteousness, right?

What are the 10 commandments written on?

Stone.

All right, and it's saying that our heart was stone.

The Jews in chapter 10 of Romans, they had taken God's holy law, and they

try to turn it into a tower of Babel to reach God on their own.

So they took something that was good and holy, and they made it evil, right?

They made it, they turned something good and holy into a letter of death, right?

So he removes this heart of stone, self -righteousness, thinking that we can please God on our own doing,

and he gives us a heart of flesh.

And when you get into the New Testament, when it comes to the heart, it's always the

heart actually speaks what we believe.

Like you can say you believe all day long, but what is your heart saying?

And so it says with the heart, one believes and is justified.

Romans chapter five, verse one, how are we justified?

By faith.

So this heart that he, this new heart that he gives us is a heart of faith that calls upon him.

And so, and once we get that heart transplant, the self -righteousness taken from us, faith given to

us, what comes after faith?

The Holy Spirit.

Right.

All that is his work.

So the baptism of the Holy Spirit, if you can imagine it being the waters, right?

So in the waters of regeneration, our sins are forgiven, we're given faith to believe,

and we come out with the Holy Spirit.

All that is the work of God.

In baptism, you do not baptize yourself.

Someone is baptizing you.

And when it comes to regeneration, it's the baptism of the Holy Spirit.

However, Jesus, Matthew chapter three, verse 11, is the one doing the baptism.

I liked what you said there on the stone wasn't a template in order for us to be able to be justified by God,

as if God was giving you a rope to climb up through the works of the law.

Because the New Testament says by the works of the law, no flesh will be justified.

I mean, the Jews literally turned it into the Tower of Babel.

You know, the Tower of Babel, chapter 11, Genesis, they build this tower to try

to get to God.

And the Jews took something holy and precious to God, His law, and they try to use it as

a way to get to Him.

Look how good I am, God.

Yeah.

Yeah.

They turn the rope into a noose is what they did.

Yeah. Yeah.

Good, good stuff.

I'm gonna write that one down.

Wait a minute.

They turn the rope.

Braden Patterson.

I mean, just think about it.

So as Moses is bringing down the 10 words, the two tablets, he hears a noise,

right?

And he comes down and everyone, they're dancing around this goading cow that they made out of earrings from the

fire, right?

So they're dancing around the goading cow.

By the time you get to the New Testament, it's the 10 words that they're dancing around the cow.

The 10 words had become their God, not the God of scripture.

So they took something holy and just, and that would be the rope where they hung

themselves.

Yeah.

And you know, it was complete grace that God would show us by giving us the

laws, those written in stone, that we can't make it on our own.

He's calling us to depend on him, not to climb up that rope that we're gonna

end up hanging ourselves, but that's what they did.

Romans, at the end of Romans 9 and 10, it talks about that, that they had a righteousness of their own,

thinking that they'd be able to please God in their own righteousness.

All right, I'm hitting play.

Okay, so, but in regeneration, you're given life, correct?

You're giving, and regeneration has three elements, grace, the forgiveness of sins, you receive a new heart,

which is faith, in order to believe, to receive the Holy Spirit.

Okay, where do you find that depiction?

And, you know, cause it sounds good, but where do you get that from scripture?

That, as you just laid it out, where do you get that from scripture?

Well, I mean, I said it in my opening statement, I walked through Ezekiel chapter 36.

If you want me to take the time to do that again, I have no problem with it.

No, I understand what you meant in Ezekiel.

He's trying to get me to exegete something.

No, no, I appreciate that.

That's the order.

Okay.

Jesus says that he is the resurrection and the life.

He is the way, the truth, and the life.

He says that those who believe in him will have life.

Excuse me.

And yet if regeneration precedes faith, you have life before you believe in Christ.

How do you, what do you do with that?

Are there two different kinds of life?

No, no, there's eternal life.

And the eternal life comes whenever you're indwelled with the Holy Spirit.

Your sins are forgiven first, grace, you're given faith to believe, and through belief, you receive the

Holy Spirit.

It's an encompassing of eternal life.

I would really like to know how many times I had to say that same thing.

Yeah.

If someone is willing to go through there and write down how many times I had to give that same

answer of concern and regeneration, grace, faith, and Holy Spirit, I would be

fascinated to know.

It encompasses it all.

I think he wanted you almost to dissect it, and to break it down.

Tom, as long as you know me, do I do what people want me to do?

No, no, he was, that's the thing.

He didn't know, he was predicting how you would answer, and he was going with typical other answers.

And he was answering somebody else's argument.

I will say that this demonstrates that he is not an experienced debater.

He, I think he would like to be, but that's part of debate is actually attacking your opponent's

argument and listening to what their opening statement was, being able to then bring out those questions that were dealing with

the material.

That the other debater had brought.

And this, Jason had brought questions to argue Joe Webben.

He brought questions to argue John MacArthur dispensational Calvinists,

because that's just the argument that he had been seeing online.

And that's, it was not the, he was not coming to argue against Jeff Rice.

Yeah, I mean, it was the idea of whenever he said that, you know, he was like me being that he was a Calvinist.

Brother, no, there's the difference between a Calvinistic Baptist and a Reformed Baptist.

There is.

There's a big difference.

I want to point out something that my wife said.

So Jason's profession is a Christian counselor of some sort.

And so, and so as a counselor, he's trying to help people

in a way where he, you know, like whether he's uniting a marriage couple or he's trying to help

people mentally or whatever, whatever that looks like.

He's just sitting there, drawing a picture as people talk.

And I don't, I don't really know, right.

But that profession is totally opposite against debating.

Yeah.

So what he does as a profession and what we did the other night are on two

total opposite ends of the scale.

As for me, I am a, you know, I handle the word of God daily.

I prepare sermons and preach.

I street preach.

So I'm actively in real debate, in real time with people that could punch me in the

face, right?

And so I'm always like pushing and pulling and stuff like that.

Or even with myself, when it comes to the text, like if you ever sit down with a text and preparing a message, like

there's sometimes I, you know, like I, you know, there's a verse or two in my future.

I'm thinking, man, I can't wait to get there because that's going to preach, you know?

And I think I already have the interpretation and then I get to it and I do my actual exegesis.

And I'm like, I didn't even know what this meant back then.

Yeah, but you know -.

Now I'm wrestling with it.

Even as a, because he's an ACBC counselor.

Right.

Which I'm actually kind of shocked because one of my pastors is Frank Gutting, an ACBC

counselor, and he's actually teaching people how to become counselors.

And his theology, his doctrine drives how he counsels people.

So if somebody's suffering with anxiety, if somebody's suffering with something that has happened to them

and God is not sovereign, if you don't hold to the doctrines of grace and you're thinking that you're going to be able to

muster up your own faith to come to him, how is he counseling somebody in a

biblical way?

If God is not sovereign over everything, don't worry about anything.

How can you counsel somebody not to be, not to worry about anything if God's not sovereign?

So it's, that's, that's sad.

He's really got to check on that.

Well, I don't think you listen to him.

He's so sovereign that he allows you to make your own choices.

You did say that.

You did say that.

Just tell my wife to tell me to be nice.

I'm very chill, sorry.

Yeah.

Be nice, Jeff.

Yeah, be nice, come on.

I don't have to be nice though.

I don't either.

At what expense are we going to elevate man's free will?

And that is to lower God's character.

That's what.

All these theologies that want to say that God isn't sovereign, they're going to.

Then just reword it and say, God is so sovereign that he isn't sovereign.

As if we could stay his hand.

Yeah.

And then, so I'm going to skip forward because it's getting close to an hour and I do have to get off in an

hour tonight.

But let me skip to here real fast.

And let me, I think it starts here.

I want to show the audience one of the funniest smiles.

So Jeff got some new teeth and God is using these new teeth to his glory.

And we're going to see it here in a moment.

I will pause there.

We'll make mention of it.

Just watch.

See it?

I see that it's just common that you can put, you can put your faith in Christ

and the gospel is the power of God to salvation.

So the gospel is what is preached and people can reject that message or they can believe it.

Are you saying that you can stay God's hand?

Which is the 100 % right question right here, Jeff.

Everybody ready for the smile?

What do you mean by that?

Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha.

Got him.

I knew what I had, I was just like, got him.

Gotcha.

Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha.

Look at his face, bro.

I'm sorry.

I'm sorry, Mrs. Rice, but that's funny.

Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha.

He's like, can he see it?

Right there is where I took his lunch money.

Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha.

Oh, he doesn't know what to do.

I'm just going to throw this out here.

I almost feel sorry for him.

I'm so thankful for everyone that donated for your smile, Jeff, because look. I am too.

It's $25 ,000, baby.

Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha

ha.

What did he finally say?

Can you play that?

I just did a little bit longer.

Let's go back.

We'll do it again without pausing.

In the middle of the smile.

And yes, Brayden did do his homework enough to do that.

You guys are welcome.

So the gospel is what is preached and people can reject that message or they can believe it.

Are you saying that you can stay God's hand?

What do you mean by that?

Are you saying that you can stay God's hand, that you can reject something God has given to you?

You can keep God from accomplishing his purpose and saving you.

Nope.

Well, so that's starting with a presupposition that God has decreed all things to take place.

And I see that in God's sovereignty, he actually has more sovereignty by allowing us to have the

ability to...

Jesus wants people to worship him because he is the King, but he freely gives them the ability

to reject him.

And they will get their just punishment as a result of that because they've rejected

their creator.

But I don't see anywhere that God is forcing people to be saved.

Again, the same analogy I gave.

People can acknowledge that they can't do it.

They miss the mark and they fall short.

And in knowing that there is an eternal life, people realize what most people are afraid of is death and the

uncertainty of what takes place for all eternity.

And they hear the message of the good news that Jesus came in their place and died on the cross

for them and that his perfect life can be transferred to them.

If they choose to believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, God then saves them.

He regenerates them as a result of their faith, just like Abraham.

It was credited to him as righteousness.

Like that's the order in which scripture continually says, God says, choose life so to

be saved, like choose life.

Now, most people won't choose life because they don't want life.

They want what they want, they want sin.

And so it does take a humbling of the heart to move in that, and there is a work of the spirit.

And that's where I see the wind blows where it wishes that Jesus is talking about.

We don't know exactly all the ways in which the Holy Spirit is working and convicting the hearts of people.

There's no like, this is exactly A, B, C, D, how the spirit works.

Jason, there is nothing in and of ourselves that will give us eyes to see.

The natural man receives not the things of the spirit for it is foolishness unto him.

It's foolishness, he cannot come, unbelievable.

So regarding the debate question, Jeff asked, can you stay God's hand?

Can you stop the work of Christ being done?

Can you stop the work of the spirit?

One sensor and others did the question.

And he said, essentially maybe, and then right here at the

end there, did you not hear him just say that the spirit works, but it's still

up to man.

So the answer is he believes, yes, you can stop God's work from being done.

And he didn't say it so clearly,.

But that's just what that answer gives.

And again, let me also be very clear in saying this.

If faith is needed in order to bring about regeneration, if faith precedes regeneration,

no one is saved, no, not one.

But I want you to notice.

Jason says in Ephesians two, he says, and I don't know where it is in this segment here.

He says in Ephesians two that you being dead in your sins and trespasses, he says

that's an idiom for just meaning that you're in pain.

Unbelievable.

The Greek word is nekros.

Yes, it is.

Death.

Yes, dead.

Corruptible, rotten, dead.

There is not a single dead being that will make themselves live again, period.

It takes God to do a work, and it's a work that you cannot stop from taking place.

And even if you want to try to argue that this is built upon the presupposition that God has decreed all things, which is God's

sovereignty, so be it.

You are trying to elevate man's freedom to your own position of an idol so that you then therefore can boast in what

you have chosen.

When in reality, God is the one that has changed your heart and has given you a new life, and you are not acknowledging him.

Jason, and any Arminian out there, you are not acknowledging God for the work he has done in you.

That's right.

You need to repent in your pride, in your boasting, in your arrogance, in your idolization of free will,

and see Christ, God as sovereign, who has done a work in you and not a work that you have done in and of yourself.

And that if man is left to themselves, if God does not intervene, you will remain

dead in your trespasses and sins.

Yeah, and I don't know if you know where it's at, Brighton, where I backed him in the corner concerning faith in

Ephesians 2, with it being the gift of God.

And he admitted that you had to receive faith.

And I pressed him on that because faith being the work of God, like you receive it.

He says that you receive that faith in hearing the gospel.

And then I said, so you have to receive faith and then receive Christ.

And so you have to grab out for two things.

You have to grab out for the faith to receive Christ.

And then with the faith that you've grabbed out to you, then you have to receive Christ.

And he didn't like that I made that connection.

No.

Because he was trying to say that we believe that you have to receive life in order to receive

Christ.

And we don't believe that at all.

Like that's, I've never in my life as a Calvinist, as a reformed person, made

that connection.

That's a straw man that's being brought down upon us from Latinism, all those Latinists

out there.

You know, like, I don't know if you remember when I challenged Layton Flowers to a debate.

And then when Layton Flowers came to our conference, I told him that I tried to debate him, but he turned me down.

Well, the other night I debated Layton Flowers.

He just looked like Jason Breda.

But you know, like pressing him on the issue.

And I think from here on out, we need to really press these Latinists

on that.

The idea that you have to receive faith, like faith is handed to you, but you must receive

faith in order to receive Christ.

So therefore you're having to receive both faith and you have to receive both Christ while still

being dead in your sins.

And God didn't play a part in that, by the way.

No, no, no.

You guys must hear all that.

Like in provisionism, the provision by which we are saved, God made a provision, and it is the death, burial, and

resurrection of Jesus Christ.

But you, in and of yourself, have to choose faith in order to believe in Christ.

As if God is up there just hoping against hope.

Please, I just hope that you have faith, please.

Please, yeah, yeah.

Just, yeah.

That gets me worked up, actually.

It really does.

It robs God of his glory is what it does.

Again, there was so much more that I wanted to say, could have said, you know, especially in hindsight, wished I said,

but in the moment and being time restricted.

And so the other night, again, for some reason I updated my computer

and everything just stopped working.

None of my camera, like the computer on my camera, nor my high definition video camera will

work.

So I had to, I couldn't get my iPad connected right at the moment, so I used my phone and I

could not see, every time that I'm doing anything, talking or whatever, I could not see the timer.

And so, and as I'm trying to have these conversations, I'm opening a statement, wherever it is, I'm wondering how much time I have in the back

of my head.

And it was definitely hindering what I think I could have, because I think I could have done better outside of that.

And so I would also mention two things, that this critique of provisionism or

Arminianism repackaged with one letter of tulip, which is perseverance of the saints or

eternal security in that sense.

This is a two -way street.

They're gonna say the same things towards us in the sense that, oh, well, you guys are

saying this and you guys just are not acknowledging that it was your free will to choose Christ.

And you're just attributing something to God, that God wasn't the first actor upon, right?

Whereas we're saying, you're trying to take the glory of something that God did do and

say that it was you in and of yourself that has done something.

So it's a two -way street in this.

Somebody said on here that people will say that Calvinists are prideful.

I think a consistent Calvinist is not prideful of themselves.

I think the Arminianists, Jason, the provisionists is the prideful one, because they're the ones saying,

I did it, I did it.

The Calvinist is boasting in the Lord.

Listen, 1 Corinthians 1, 26, for consider your calling, brothers, that there were not many wise

according to the flesh, not many mighty, not many noble, but God has chosen

the foolish things of the world to shame the wise, and God has chosen the weak things of the world to shame the things which are

strong and the base things of the world and the despised God has chosen.

The things that are not, so that he may abolish the things that are, so that no flesh

may boast before God.

But by his doing, let me finish, but by his doing, you are in Christ Jesus who became

to us wisdom from God and righteousness and sanctification and redemption so

that just as it is written, let him who boasts, boast in the Lord.

I think the provisionist is seeing the Calvinist that is boasting in the knowledge of

the scripture because the knowledge of the scripture has revealed the Lord unto them and saying, this is how God has redeemed me.

And they're just educated in it.

And they're thinking this, this is them being boastful, but no, listen to the words of Jason and all these

other provisionists.

I chose the Lord.

Where's the boast at?

It's self -centered and not externally focused upon God.

I interrupted cause I saw a pause there.

No, you're good.

So, and everybody knows the verse.

Yeah.

For by grace, you have been saved through faith and that not of

yourselves.

Jason, and that not of yourself.

And that, that faith is not of yourself.

That's right.

The Greek there would have you to understand that it's speaking of means.

It's not by our own means.

Yeah.

And then it goes on to say, it's the gift of God, not a result of works.

You see, Jason is doing this thing concerning the, what is he calling it?

From Romans chapter one, verse 13, the ambiguous antecedent.

And so, and that's why if you notice, I said, so you deny that the nearest

antecedent is faith.

I say something like, I know you like those antecedents and gave another $25

,000 smile.

Yes, you did.

And if you look in his eyes, right when I did that, he is like, oh, you little jack leg.

Yeah.

He denies that the antecedent is faith.

What do you mean by that?

So he goes right to grace.

Yeah, so he says it's grace.

Of course, grace is not of ourself.

What are we not giving ourself?

So grace is God given to us what we don't deserve.

Why would we ever think that we have part of God given to us what we don't deserve?

The nearest antecedent is faith.

He's jumping over faith.

Yeah.

Because faith is the work of God.

If you look in John chapter six, verse, is it 35

where they asked Jesus?

Let me go to it real quick.

John chapter six, they asked Jesus, what must we do to do the works of God?

Jesus gives them the answer, but the answer, he's not answering them in the way that they asked the

question.

Yeah, so right here, it says, verse 28, John chapter six, verse 28.

Then they said to him, what must we do to be doing the works of God?

Verse 29, Jesus answered them, this is the work of God that you

believe in him whom he has sent.

They're wanting to know what can we do so we can take a sack lunch with a couple of fish and

some biscuit -sized bread and feed over 20 ,000 people, right?

And he's saying the work of God, the work of God, not man's work,

the work of God is that you believe in the son.

In order for anyone to believe in the son, we must be given the work of God, and that is

faith.

Faith is the work of God in us.

Right, Acts 13, 48, how does one believe?

And when the Gentiles heard this, they began rejoicing and glorifying in the word of the Lord, and as many

as had been appointed to eternal life believed.

They were appointed unto eternal life.

Those are the ones who had faith.

Those are the ones who would believe.

If we think that we are justified through something that we can muster,

it's like trying to climb a rope that we just end up hanging ourselves with.

I'm gonna quote you on that, I promise.

All right, I just had to say it again.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

I provided the rope, I just wanna say.

Yeah, fair enough.

Yep, yep, yep, yep.

Well.

Good stuff.

Good stuff.

Brayden, you gotta go?

Yeah, I'm gonna get off of here.

You guys getting off too?

Yeah.

You're a slacker, man. I'm telling you.

Yeah, I'm telling you, man.

All right.

Yeah, I cannot believe you, man.

We're supposed to be Joe Rogan this stuff, man.

I mean, yeah.

Hey, would you guys, we need to ask the audience.

Should we go on?

Should we be going on more often, you guys?

What do you guys think?

Are we slacking on getting on Open Air Theology?

Nobody's replying, nobody cares, so I guess we're good.

Well, so there's a few second delay from everything.

Do y 'all want more Open Air Theology, or do y 'all want less?

Do you want more of this right here, or do you want less?

Wait, wait, Jeff, smile.

Smile for him.

You want less?

$35 ,000.

Yes, slackers, look at that.

Melissa says slackers.

$25 ,000, baby.

I don't think they can handle all this, all right?

Yeah.

This trailer part, boy, I'm not sure.

Yeah, well, please continue to share all these videos and whatnot.

I would definitely want to see.

And also, if y 'all have something, like a topic that y 'all want us to cover, because I'm going to tell you what, sometimes it's just

hard figuring out what to talk about.

So if there's something that y 'all think that we should discuss, reach out to us.

We did a show on Bigfoot.

We're down to talk about anything.

We were the original Bigfoot show talking about it regarding theology.

I just wanted to make that known.

Yeah, way before that.

Brian Salve guy, who is that guy, right?

We were the ones that started talking about Bigfoot first.

That's right.

So let's not get some things twisted.

Yeah, and there's no such thing, by the way, guys.

Hey, you need to watch your mouth.

I'm going to get a Bigfoot tattoo right down on my muscle.

Speaking of tattoos, speaking of tattoos.

Oh, and what about the conference?

You're going to advertise it.

Hey, everybody's listening.

There's going to be a conference in February.

Yeah, there's going to be a really cool conference in February.

I mean, all the speakers are fantastic, except for one.

Yeah, Braden Patterson.

Braden Patterson, but he's got huge hands.

So we're going to let him -.

Huge hands.

Yeah, huge hands compared to a baby.

I'm holding these hands clear back by my head right now.

Don't you worry.

It's not - He's doing this.

Yeah, look how small Jeff's hands are.

Look at my full -size Bible.

Yeah, so in February, we're having our war conference, which will be on

sanctification.

So the spirit versus the flesh, so dealing with sanctification.

It's going to be here in Tallahoma, Tennessee.

We're having a pre -conference concerning war.

We're having an evangelism bootcamp.

And so if you've never done any evangelism before, we're going to take that time throughout that day and show

you how to reach the loss for Jesus Christ.

The next day, we're going to be prying for a three -day conference.

There's going to be plenty of time to hang out and fellowship.

If you want to come hang out with the speakers, we welcome that.

We get down, we have fun.

Listen, the last time at the conference, we went to a restaurant here in town called

Whiskey Trails.

And they had to put a bunch of tables together for all of us and it was so loud in there, you could hardly hear

yourself talk.

But then when it came time to pray over the food, we all shut up.

And no one else in the whole restaurant was talking.

It was just all us.

Like we -.

It was all the noise from us.

It was pretty funny.

When we stopped to pray, like all the noise ceased.

And then the prayer was over and it was fired back up.

Like we just have such a wonderful time.

It's unlike any conference you'll ever go to, I'm telling you.

The speakers are fantastic.

The fellowship is second to none.

Second to none.

And Melissa, if you come, yes, I'll bring the diamond crown cigars.

So you're welcome.

Melissa, you need to figure it out, girl.

Come on.

Let's go. Let's go.

February.

What are the dates?

I can't remember.

Yep.

We got it together.

I got it together, baby.

Wait, wait.

Oh guys, time out.

What?

Time out, time out, time out, time out.

I can do something really cool here for a moment.

Just give me a second.

I'll do something.

Just keep on talking.

Keep on talking.

Jesus Christ, time out.

Work the audience.

Work the audience.

You know what I'm saying?

You're bipolar.

And so Jeffrey's buying free cigars for everybody.

I think -.

I'm buying free cigars?

How do I buy free cigars?

Well, you're gonna give out free cigars.

You're gonna buy cigars and give them out free.

Isn't that what it was?

I'm gonna buy some $2 cigars.

And I'm gonna be smoking the faded Aussie cigars.

There's only gonna be 10 of them.

For everybody at the conference.

We'll come out on a budget.

Puff, puff, pass.

We're gonna have a bunch of speakers.

Candidate Theologian, you better be there, brother.

I'm trying to find it.

Oh, this is embarrassing.

Where is it at?

Yeah, it's very embarrassing.

Time out.

Wait, are you trying to pull up the image?

Yes.

Where is it at?

I'm on your Facebook and it's not showing on your Facebook.

Hey, do you want me to send it to the text message real quick?

Yeah, do it.

That'd be a good way of doing it.

How do you do that?

So I see preset.

Where do you go?

He's not gonna tell us.

He's not gonna tell us.

You guys don't need me if I tell you.

Okay, I just sent it to the text group.

Listen, if I tell you guys all my secrets, you guys aren't gonna need me any longer.

And then I'm gonna be all by my loose himself.

We wouldn't do that.

I know, it's kind of like.

Everybody needs a sidekick, so.

That's the.

Hey, can I play this real quick?

Put that on.

Here it comes.

That's my intro.

For the, even if not show.

I don't know.

There it is.

Oh.

There it is.

Look at that.

So we got Greg Moore being the host, the dead man walking, Jeremiah Nortears being the debater,.

Michael Schultz.

That guy has too many titles.

I can't even remember.

I think Sensei is one of them.

Or maybe that's Keith Fawcett.

Jeff Rice, a million dollar smile that will look at you.

25 ,000.

That'll look at you condescending if you say something stupid.

Yeah, I will.

Rayden Patterson, the mustache of Doc Holliday.

Tom Shepard.

You don't want to associate yourself with that guy.

Did you get Jeremiah Nortear, our debater?

Yeah, Jeremiah Nortear.

Oh man, that's it.

Andrew Rappaport, our resident dispensationalist.

That's worse.

That's worse than Shepard.

Keith Fawcett, I can't stop saying mean things.

I'm going to stop.

Keith Fawcett, Marlon Wilson, Sam Waldron, Hensworth Jonas, Austin Keeler, Cody, Kofi.

I can't say her last name, Kofi, sorry.

Kofi, Ryan Denton, Claude Ramsey.

It's going to be awesome.

There are going to be t -shirts there for all the visitors there that say that I went to the Open

Air Theology Conference and the speaker's going to have one with my picture on it that says I spoke with Tom Shepard

and the people who get to listen will have their picture next to me too.

And you guys don't have to keep that shirt.

So right here, you can clearly see it's February.

So the main conference is February 20th through the 22nd.

The pre -conference, however, that's going to be on evangelism will be on the 19th.

That's going to be awesome too.

It's going to be so good.

We got street preachers.

We're going to street preach too, right?

Yeah, we're going to be street preaching.

Like if you want to know how to, like a lot of people, they don't like knocking on doors, but if you want to learn how to knock on doors

and it'd be effective, I'm going to be teaching about that as well.

Braden's going to be teaching on ding dong ditching.

That's right.

Leave a Book of Mormon, come back and tell them that there's been some weird guys leaving Book of Mormons to get into a gospel

conversation.

It's great.

All right, Shepard, what was you going to put up here?

Let me take this one down.

Oh no, that's okay.

I was just trying to buy time.

You don't have to put it up.

Don't worry about it.

All right.

All right, well, I guess we'll get off here then.

I'm having too much fun.

So last words.

Repent and believe the gospel.

Braden Hanser, Average Size.

Go check out Reformed Ex -Mormon on YouTube.

God bless, go in peace.

If you're ever in Tullahoma, Tennessee, please stop by and check me out.

Come to Covenant Reformed Baptist Church.

We'd love to have you.

We have a full meal after every service.

We really take Acts 2 .42 very serious, and I'm just so grateful that the Lord

is blessing us.

But as always, hallelujah, holla back.