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Alright, ladies and gentlemen, welcome to Open Air Theology. I hope that intro music sounded good to everyone.

On my end, it sounded like crap. How did it sound? It was good.

Okay, okay. Maybe it was just me, I was a little worried. Anyways, my name is Jeff, and I'm one of the hosts here of Open Air Theology.

I'm also one of the elders of Covenant Reformed Baptist Church in Tallahoma, Tennessee.

So, something different about tonight is, again, for some reason, my computer isn't working, so I'm using my iPad, and I'm not sure where the camera is or where I'm supposed to look, so if I'm just trying to figure things out, please forgive me.

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Tom. Hey, you guys. My name is Tom Shepard. I'm with Grace Bible Church of Bernie. I'm a member there, and I'm also the host of, even if none, and the co -host of Open Air Theology.

I'm glad to be here tonight discussing the debate that Jeffrey had.

I think you told everybody in your sermon today that you took his lunch money. I didn't write that down, okay?

Like, I have no filter, so. So, you know, you kind of did it out of order, so you threw me off.

Normally, it goes to the guy, and I'm usually on the bottom, so I'm going to pass it down to this guy.

I am Pastor Brayden. I am one of the watchers of Jeffrey Reif taking this gentleman's lunch money.

I was present. No, I'm the pastor of Valley Baptist Church in Hagerman, Idaho.

We had a blessed day worshiping God today on the Lord's Day today, and yeah, if you live in this area, come join us at 11 in Hagerman, Valley Baptist.

This would be a real blessing to be able to fellowship and worship God with you, preach Christ, crucify amongst one another.

But it was a blessing. It was a great debate. It was good.

I think I'm looking forward to being able to review these things with you guys. Amen. Amen.

Yeah, like it was, I'll be honest with you, like that was my first public moderated debate like that, and I'll be lying if I said

I wasn't nervous. I think the big thing for me is because I do work a full -time job and I pastor a church, just trying to find the time to put all that together was tough.

But I really, really enjoyed it, and I also wished I had more time to do stuff like that.

So you probably won't be seeing any more debates like that for me, at least for a while. But man,

I really wished I had time to do it. Normally, as a street preacher, when someone has a disagreement, we kind of sell it right there.

Like I kind of relate it to whenever I was in the streets and gang and stuff like that.

If someone wanted to fight me, we didn't say, OK, we're going to do this in six weeks. We just do it right then.

And so just having that anticipation build up because the debate was scheduled nearly six months ago, and just having that whole build up,

I really didn't like that a lot, but I really enjoyed it in the moment. Yeah, so I was really impressed with the way you handled his questions, and I know that we're going to go over some of those today.

Yeah, what was the hardest part of the debate for you, you think? Just the time limit, right?

Yeah, because there's so much more that I wanted to say. And I just think it's kind of like you're in like when you're in the moment, whenever you're in the moment, like even if you have something written down, sometimes in the moment you can forget to say something.

But I think the hardest part of the debate was the rebuttal. Right, because I'm having to write down real quick things that he said or whatever, and I went back and listened to it, and there's some things that were said that I didn't get to address.

But so much is said in the opening statement. It's really hard to touch on everything that a person said.

You thought he was going to start, right? No, I thought that I was the – and when you go back and you look at it,

I was supposed to be the affirmative. And Marlon, who I think is watching, he actually saw that, and so it was his bad.

So I prepared for the affirmative. And so when I was doing my opening statement,

I was trying to on the spot change some words up, and you probably hear me stumble a little bit because like the sentence would begin one way, but on the spot

I had to try to change it to where – I need to interject real fast.

When you say that you were going to take the affirmative, it was in reference to the debate question.

Yeah, regeneration. It was supposed to be regeneration precedes faith. And it changed faith.

It changed from that to faith precedes regeneration. That's why you were going to take the negative. Yeah, but all in all,

I think it worked out good. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But I think it worked out well.

I mean, I'm kind of good at being on the spot and stuff like that. So I'm really happy.

I'm thankful for Marlon for allowing me to come on his platform and do something like that. And I'm going to be honest with you, if you're not usually watching

The Gospel Truth, I would encourage you to support Marlon. He's a really good brother, and he's going to be at the open -air conference speaking for us next

February. So it's going to be a joy to get to meet him in person and hang out. And the man can preach.

The man can preach. I hope he smokes cigars. Yeah. We'd give him the first one if he hadn't.

Before we jump into this, though, we've got to mention yesterday. I've got to find the camera. We've got to mention what happened yesterday.

What happened? What happened? Oh, yeah. Okay, okay. We've got to mention that,

Jeff. What's wrong? What's wrong? What's wrong? Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah. What's your guys' take on that whole ordeal?

Well, I mean, do you want my tinfoil hat on or off? I mean, that's the real question, right?

You're going to say something about Bigfoot, so keep it off. So did you expect it?

Was it unexpected? Well, so it wasn't for me. So here's why. I watch a lot of –

Okay, so I read Bibles, right? And so most of the day,

I'm sitting here in my earphones. I'm just listening to things. And there's a lot of stuff on YouTube, but there's not a lot of stuff that I listen to.

However, I kind of go down some rabbit holes. And so I heard a prediction. I can't remember where I heard it from.

It could have been Benny Johnson. No, I think it was on Benny Johnson's channel to where someone was saying that three or four people were probably going to be taken out.

And one was going to be Trump. So one was Trump. I think one of them was

Alex Jones too. Joe Rogan. Oh, really? Joe Rogan and – Benny Hinn.

Elon Musk. I don't think it was Elon Musk, but it was the other guy that quit the

Fox channel. Tucker Carlson. Tucker Carlson. They're saying that these are the loudest voices right now, that they need to be taken out.

And I was kind of pondering. I was like, hmm. And the next thing you know, I see that happening to Trump. And I was like, well.

Dude, it was sketchy. It was weird things. Without the tinfoil hat on, it is devastating about the family that was affected, all the people that were affected.

They were attending something, and then they just lost their husband. Husband, father.

That's devastating. That should not ever happen. So definitely that. I also heard somebody say, and I don't know how true this is, that Ronald Reagan, after the assassination attempt on his life, he supposedly was a believer in God after that, that that put the fear of God in him and really trusting

God's providence through it. My hope would be that that would be the same outcome for Trump, is that hopefully this is a good shaking of life to ground you on the rock of Jesus Christ.

That's what my hope is for Trump. Thankfully he didn't die. Yeah. I also, for Christians, that we could use this.

I mean, the world saw this. And just like you had said, there were people that went to that not thinking anything was going to happen.

And you never know when you're going to go. So it took families by surprise.

A life was lost and two lives were lost. And it's an opening to share the gospel.

It's an opening to say, what would happen to you? Can you imagine if something like this tragic, this can happen at any time.

So our time is short and we need to repent and believe the gospel. Yep. Amen.

Amen. Melissa said, oh no, here we go. And then laughed out loud. And that's probably in reference to the

Bigfoot comment. We can't go down that rabbit hole right now. We've already had a debate on that and I won.

So I have up on my side. So what we wanted to do in this video was to review some of the things that took place in the debate.

Are you wanting me to screen share right now, Jeff, and just listen to things and go through stuff?

And maybe you can offer suggestions. I really wish you did your homework to where we know where we were going in this.

Like I was relying on you, man. And once again, you dropped the ball. It's good because your hands are small right now.

What are you talking about right now? I got it right here. Do you have it right? He is prepared. I got it.

He is prepared. What are you talking about? The problem is you didn't communicate it with us. No.

I told you before the live stream started. You see this? I look like I was at the mugshot right there.

This is Brayden Patterson, ready to go. All right. You got that all so we could actually see the screen?

We are going full blown. We're advancing, right? You better believe it. Does that make it look better when

I click it like that? Yeah, it's better. Okay. I'm just going to hit play. You guys say when we want to pause.

And so this is going to be him questioning. So one of the questions that I really want to touch on is where he brings up Colossians 2.

We'll see if we can find that or not. Maybe I'll pull up the transcript. Moses told you to be nice.

Who, me? They're telling you guys to be nice. Be nice to Brayden. Get off the wall.

To Brayden. Put that on the wall. All right. I'm playing this. All right.

Go ahead. I can't hear it. Is there a mute button there,

Brayden? Is it not playing for you guys? So we can see his lips moving, but we don't hear it. I can see his lips moving, but I can't hear it.

I guess we're not on. You see? We're definitely not. Let me hit present again.

Screen share. Can you hear it, Brayden, when you do it?

I was on my mic. I was able to hear it. Let me try this. Screen share that.

It says it's on. Are you presenting it now?

There we go. Let me try to hit play again and see what happens. It's coming off of the heels. You can hear it now?

Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Let me back up just a couple seconds. If unbelievers are blind and need the work of God in order to believe, why does 2

Corinthians 4 .4 tell us that Satan is blinding the minds of unbelievers?

Something's going on. If unbelievers are unable to belong. It's talking to me.

Yeah, here it is. Is it messing up for you all? Yeah. If you read. Is it going for you,

Brayden? It's working now for me on my side. No, it's skipping. I'm hearing a half a syllable every three or four seconds.

I don't hear anything either. Okay, so we need to work. We're having technical difficulties.

The sound is breaking up. Time out. Do you have internet where you're at,

Brayden? Let me see if I can do something. I might lose you for just a second. I need to go. Now he's breaking up.

Brayden. So this is open -air theology. Hold on one second.

I'm going to put up Melissa's thing again. Be nice to Brayden, boys. He's making it hard.

Thank you. He's not making it easy. Look at him. He's not making it easy for us. The covenant is the letter of death.

Oh my gosh. Is it better now? Try it again. Is it better now?

No longer under the Mosaic covenant. Yes. And so, yeah,

I think the gospel is so powerful that if it wasn't actively being hardened, because I believe, like Luther, that Satan is

God's devil, right? He himself is doing what God has preordained for him to do, and it is to blind the eyes.

It's the same sense of whenever the sower and the seeds, right? Some seeds that he sowed on the rocky soil, the devil comes and he snatches away those seeds.

And so we can't thank for one second. So the question he's asking is about second

Corinthians chapter four concerning Satan blind in the eyes of people. So I'm sure a lot of you are going to agree with how he's approaching this because he's approaching this as if Satan fell from heaven.

And I would argue that that's nowhere found in scripture. So if you take

Isaiah chapter four, is it? Yeah, Isaiah 14, 12, where it says,

Oh, Lucifer, how you have fallen. And you look at the context there, it's speaking of Nebuchadnezzar.

That's a prophecy of Nebuchadnezzar's fall that we see in Daniel chapter four.

And the word Lucifer means adversary, and people have taken that and say that it was

Satan. I find nowhere in scripture where Satan was an actual created angel who rebelled.

And so when he's taking that view of Satan, and he's not understanding that Satan is

God's devil from the beginning. And a lot of people, they're like, well, why would

God do that? Well, because God is telling a story and it's a story of redemption. And in every story, there's a bad guy.

And not only that, it talks about in Ephesians chapter two, it says we are dead in our trespasses and sins, in which we formally walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air.

So it's obvious that Satan is blind in the eyes of the people. It's also that unless God intervenes through the means of preaching the gospel, which is what you hit on in your sermon, that God saves people through means.

You said that like five different times. Yeah, 2 Timothy, that area I read in 2 Timothy, beginning in verse 23, like he's talking to ministers or whatever, and he speaks about how we have been captured by the devil to do his will.

That is the blinding. That is what it means to be dead in sins is to be slaves of Satan and that he is blinding us.

And the only way that we come to our senses is if God grants repentance. Right. And so he's just coming at this from a presupposition that is totally not biblical.

I mean, I tell people all the time, if you would just read the context of the proof text, it's going to answer a lot of questions.

And if it doesn't give you the answers, then dig a little deeper. Yeah. I'm keeping the nations from being deceived.

But don't think for a minute that he's not active in that work. So I have no issue there.

Yeah. OK. Was anyone in the Old Testament regenerated? For sure.

I just think the regeneration was different. In order for someone to believe something such as Abraham, Abraham had to believe that a seed was going to come from him that would inherit the land and bless the nations.

He was very, very old. And in order for him to believe something like that, that had to be given to him.

He was credited with righteousness. We, in the same sense, believe in the same thing are indebted with righteousness.

OK. So do you believe David was regenerated? Yes. And I don't believe the regeneration there is the same sense in what we have as the indwelling of the

Holy Spirit. But I believe that their sins were forgiven, that they were given faith to believe, and the

Holy Spirit would fill them, but not indwell them. So I will pause here and say that something that was just referenced before when we were having audio issues is that you made mention of covenant theology.

And you didn't say that exact word you said, in the Old Covenant. And so right there, I think what he wasn't expecting was somebody that had such a strong doctrine of covenant theology in general that's going to permeate in every single one of your answers.

I was also wondering, where was he going with the regeneration of the Old Covenant? Was he basically saying that there was no regeneration, that people could take it upon themselves to muster up some type of a faith, and that the people in the

Old Covenant would be able to do this on their own, but yet Christ is saying that you must be born again in the New Covenant.

Where was he going with that? Yeah, so he didn't get to get there. So I was speaking,

I'm going to give a shout out, Jeremiah Nortier, because he told me that he would probably take this direction.

But it's the whole thing, you know, like, if there was no regeneration in the Old Covenant, then there is no regeneration in the

New Covenant. And so that was going to be his argument. But as, you know, me and Braden's discussed this over the years.

You can give me a shout out now too, if you want. Yeah, that's what I'm trying to do, okay? Me and Braden has discussed this for years.

And Braden is the one that brought it to my attention, to be honest with you. There's your shout out.

Well, that actually was like, you know, having me to ponder and think about it. And then me and Jeremiah, the same thing.

We just kind of, okay, well, if there is regeneration, what does it look like? Because it's not the same.

Jesus says that, speaking of John the

Baptist, he says that no one born of woman is greater than John the Baptist. And yet the least in the kingdom of heaven is greater than him.

And so we have to, how is it that you and I are greater than John the Baptist, the greatest man born from a woman?

And I would say it's simply because of the regeneration is a little bit different.

John the Baptist had momentarily, I'm not saying it right, times in his life to where the spirit would indwell him,

I mean, would fill him, but there was never a permanent indwelling of the spirit until the curtain had rent and Pentecost came.

Because what you're doing is you're looking at Ezekiel 36, and that was future promise language that then

Christ, as in John 3, is now a current reality in the new covenant that was cut out his life, death, burial, and resurrection.

Is that correct? Yeah. I mean, so if you look in the Old Testament, in order, so like God forgave

Abraham, David, and all of these guys of their sins. So they'd received grace. They believed

God. So they were granted faith. The difference is, is they were not, that the law of God was not written on their heart in such a way that it is ours to where,

I mean, it was, but it wasn't to where the Holy Spirit calls them to obey it and the way that it does us with a permanent indwelling.

So that's a good point there. The permanent indwelling also in the new covenant allows the new believer in the new covenant to have power over sin.

Whereas in the old covenant, they didn't have power over sin. Right? Would you say that they were saved from the guilt of sin?

They were saved for the penalty of sin. I mean, immediately after Abraham is justified with righteousness, he sells his wife as a prostitute.

Right. Yeah, exactly. Right. But as an indwelling, having the indwelling of the spirit as a new covenant believer, that's something totally distinct from what the old covenant people of God had.

The indwelling of the spirit. They were still counted righteous by faith, correct?

Yeah. 100%. Right. There just, there has to be something, because in time the new covenant is cut.

Right. Right. And that's, that's where, so Jeff and I, we've talked about this before, that the old testament saints were obviously saved on the credit, right?

Credit versus debit. Credit versus debit, but also in the sense of new covenant language, they were saved through the new covenant, even though they lived in the old covenants.

So they didn't have the full access yet unto that which had yet to be cut.

Their sins had been forgiven. But yeah, them as a covenant people, again, they couldn't go and knock on everybody's doors and say, you know,

God, right? Because there were several that didn't know God. That's a promise in the Hebrews 8 and Jeremiah 31, that that's going to be one of the indicative values of covenants, that we can't do that.

And so, and I think that that's also what we see also play out in Hebrews 11, a little bit, that they, they, they looked forward to the promises, right?

But apart from us, they had not yet been made perfect is what it says. So I think that there was a longing for what we have in the new covenant that they yet had, they did not have yet access to.

I hope that makes sense. Yeah. So, yeah. I'm wondering what, where he was going, what did he think that regeneration looked like in the old covenant?

God still had to intervene and God still had to grant faith and repentance in order to be justified.

In other words, God had to step in and in time and change, make a change with that person and be able to have faith to believe.

If he would have left them to themselves, they would have been condemned forever. Absolutely.

Yeah. And also if, if, if there was a indwelling of the Holy spirit, such as we have in the new covenant, like there wouldn't have been a promise of the indwelling of the

Holy spirit. Jesus is the one that does the baptism of the Holy spirit. And that was something that he also said.

He said that, you know, I can't, I can't remember where it was at, but he said it could have been in the questions that were being asked by the audience.

He mentioned that, how can the Holy spirit be the baptizer and the one that you receive?

I think, I think it's in here and I cannot, I think it was in the group.

We'll see. Let's go back through. Let's listen to it for a minute.

Okay. Why would God call the nation of Israel to choose life in Deuteronomy 30, 19, if they can't choose life unless he imparts life to them?

Well, he always, he's always calling us to do stuff that we cannot do to rely on him. He calls us to be

Holy, cause us to be righteous. And these things are done by keeping the law and none of us can keep the law.

And even if we could, we fail because we're born and we're born under Adam's nature. Okay.

So that's nothing new. What do you, okay. Um, what do you do with Colossians 2, 12, where it says that you were raised up with Christ through faith?

It sounds to me like faith is a means by which one can be raised with Christ to life.

What do you do with that verse? Well, it's speaking about water baptism, not spiritual baptism.

When I step into the waters of baptism, I step into it by faith to receive the covenant sign of baptism.

You can hearken that verse back to Romans chapter six. I mean, excuse me,

Romans chapter. Yeah. Romans chapter six, verses three through five. We're buried with him in baptism and raised with him to the newness of life.

All right. So this is one again. So like in preparing for him, all

I did was listen to Layton flower videos and listen, I'm, I'm being serious.

I can see in about six videos with Layton flowers and a bunch of people talking where, where all, all this man did was regurgitate

Layton flowers and I call him out on it. Um, but so whenever, um,

Layton, if you go back and there's a video, there's a video.

I can't remember the channel, but there's a video with Layton flowers debating, um,

Joe Webben, Joe Webben. And he asked Joe Webben this question and Joe Webben approached this as the, the baptism was a spirit baptism.

So it was the baptism of the Holy spirit. And Joe Webben had no answer for this, but Joe Webben also concerning the new birth.

So, so, so, so, so he looked at the first birth as a physical birth.

And he looked at the second being born again, um, of water.

Yeah. Yeah. So you have to be born of water and the spirit. So the water there, he would say was natural birth.

And then, and so, so he said you had to be born naturally and then you had to be born spiritually, which is not, which is the

John MacArthur view. And, but it's not a reformed Baptist view, right? If you hold to covenant theology, that's not the view.

The, the, the word that the word picture that Jesus is giving is of a birth, right?

So the analogy of scripture concerning salvation is of a birth, the word regeneration, uh,

Pauline gonna see, uh, it means to be birth again, or again, birth again, being born again.

And the, and so the, uh, the word, the word pictures developed off of Ezekiel chapter 36, 25 through 27.

Anyways. So we could, I, I still think that, and I think, I, I think he was expecting you to give the, the analogy of, of you can't contribute to your physical birth.

So you neither can you contribute to your spiritual birth, which I still think that we can make that application. Um, well, well,

I mean, so verse four would be the part speaking about physical birth, right?

Versus five is strictly speaking about Ezekiel 36, the new birth.

All right. All right. So, but, but when Colossians two, so what he's trying to do with, with, with the debate concerning, uh, flowers and, uh, and, uh, uh,

Joel and Joe Evan is that, um, is that Joe Evan took it as that baptism was the spirit baptism.

And, and he had no answers because it speaks about being raised. Okay. Here it is.

Colossians chapter. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Colossians two chapter two. I mean, Colossians two verse 12, having been buried with him in baptism in which you were also raised with him through faith.

And so he's saying that you're being raised to life through faith. And he's seeing that as faith proceeding, the raising to life.

and, and, and a proper interpretation of this is that this is actual water baptism.

It's not spiritual baptism. It's water baptism, right? Because it's ruined his whole night.

Joel Revin looked at looks, looked at this and made the argument that I've heard before. And I used to hold to this argument is that, uh, being raised with Christ through faith is speaking of us being spiritually dead, being raised with Christ in regeneration where this text is talking about a physical, you taking the sign of the new covenant.

It's a physical thing that you, you were raised in faith in, in a physical water baptism. Um, it's a, it's also a picture is what, what has happened to you spiritually.

Absolutely. But the first intended meeting of this has to be physical because, because that's just what it is.

And if you have a different understanding of it, then you could argue faith preceding regeneration. Yeah.

I mean, so regeneration has taken place in verse 11. So in him, speaking of Christ, also, you were circumcised with a circumcision made without hands by putting off the body of flesh by the circumcision of Christ.

That right there is the heart transplant. There's your regeneration. All right. And then it says, so once someone's being regenerated, next thing, you know, they need to partake in the sign having been buried with him.

Right. But like, this is how the whole idea with Paul says, I have been crucified with Christ. Well, when were you crucified with Christ in my baptism?

Right. Uh, as reformed Baptist, we don't, we don't see baptism so much as a symbol, but as a sign and signs carry information.

If you watch them, I debate with that Lutheran, Lutheran, like whenever you see a sign that says

Walmart, you have a general idea of what's inside the store. If you're familiar with Walmart.

And so when you see someone that are entering into the baptismal waters, they are saying, this is what it means.

I have been buried with Christ and I've been raised in Christ. When he died, I died.

He rose. I rose. I live. My life is in him. So your identity, your identity is in Christ.

Yeah. Yeah. Right. So Romans six. Yeah. Romans six, which is to me.

So I, you know, like the Bible speaks of different forms of baptism. Take John chapter. I mean, excuse me, Matthew three,

Matthew three 11. John says, I baptize you with water. One coming after me.

Who's modern. I, who sent us. I'm unworthy to carry. He will baptize you with the Holy spirit.

So there's two different baptisms, water baptism, Holy spirit baptism. Uh, and then it goes and fire, judgment, the verse right above, uh, verse 11.

It says that the ax is at the root of the tree. And any tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire.

That will be speaking of hell. Verse 12, the whittling fork is in his hand. He will thoroughly cleanse the thrashing floor and gather his wheat into the barn, but the chaff he will burn with unquenchable fire.

So verse 11, the fire is sandwiched in between two verses. Speaking about fire.

That's talking about the judgment of hell. So verse 11, that fire baptism is actually being thrown into hell.

All right. So there's a baptism of water. There's the baptism of the Holy spirit for those who are in Christ and a baptism of fire for those who are not in Christ.

So right there is three different baptisms. Sure. Which baptism means immerse as well.

Yeah, it just means that, yeah, it just means immersed. And so the idea is, so for me, I let the context tell me what the baptism is for the most part.

I want to consider the baptism, like in the New Testament, it's talking about baptism. I'm going to say it's wet unless I'm shown otherwise.

Like Jesus said that he had a baptism to undergo and know how he wished it was going.

And it was speaking about his being crucified. And we partake in that baptism because it's talking about his death, burial and resurrection.

You bring that to first, I mean, first Peter chapter three, beginning in verses 18 through 21, where it talks about baptism saves you.

That baptism that saves you is the death, burial and resurrection of Jesus Christ. That's right. I'm going to hit play.

So yeah. Okay. I agree with that. Regeneration.

Do you believe that regeneration triggers justification? Absolutely. It's given to us.

We're justified by faith. Romans chapter five, verse one, faith is given to us in regeneration.

Yeah. So Romans four or five says that God justifies the ungodly by faith.

So ungodly, unregenerate, depraved, however you want to label it. Yet God is justifying them as a result of their faith apart from regeneration.

How do you handle that? Yeah. The ungodly there.

Speaking of the, of the uncircumcised and we are justified by faith.

But that faith has to be given to us in regeneration, made alive through hearing the gospel, give an eternal life.

So Ephesians one 13 says in him, you also, when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation, and you believed in him, you were sealed with the promised

Holy spirit. Is that not a clear representation that faith or belief is the means by which someone is then sealed with the promised

Holy spirit? Absolutely. That's what I said. I said that in my opening statement, in order to have the

Holy spirit, it comes through faith. The Ezekiel 36. That's what it's.

That's what I laid out the argument that it's grace, faith, and the Holy spirit. You can't have, you cannot have the Holy spirit unless he is giving you faith to believe.

Pause it. As you can tell right here, I'm getting frustrated because he keeps, he keeps asking the same questions in a, in a different way.

Right. And I keep answering it the same way. This is how you know that he, he's not doing his own question.

He's not kind of working off. He's not shooting from the hip, if he will. Right. He has this, that the certain questions written down as a way to pin me down and, and I've answered them clearly.

Right. Like faith is given to us in regeneration. And he still keeps posing these questions as if I haven't answered the question.

Like so many times, I just want to say, brother asked an answer. How many times I got to answer the same question.

Give me something new. Yeah. So he's asking the question in Ephesians chapter one, 13, he says in him, you also, after listening to the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation, having also believed in what he's saying is, and we're like, yes, you have to believe it's necessary.

But how does one believe? It's like Braden, how does one believe?

Are you mustering it up in and of yourself? We're dead. We're dead in our sins. It's impossible.

That would frustrate me too. Cause he kept on asking that exact same question. How does one believe?

Cause he was looking at that being sealed with the Holy spirit. He was like, that's what

Jeff, Jeff, you must think that that means regeneration, right there. So faith brings about a sealing of the

Holy spirit brings about regeneration. Faith precedes regeneration. And then you just went back to your opening statement is

Ezekiel 36. It says that one of the promises in with, with, with inside of regeneration is indwelling of the

Holy spirit being sealed with the Holy spirit. So that faith is accompanied with the sealing of the

Holy spirit. It's doesn't mean that it doesn't mean that that's what regeneration is. Regeneration has these all encompassing.

It's all of them. Regeneration is all three things. Yeah. Tell everybody about the three elements of regeneration is grace, faith, and the

Holy spirit. And then break it down. Fake grace to watch. Grace is the, yeah.

Grace is the God given us what we do not deserve. And that is the forgiveness of sins.

Right. What we deserve is the wrath of God. Mercy is God not given us what we deserve.

Grace is God given to us what we don't deserve. And what we don't deserve is the forgiveness of sins. We don't deserve for God to forgive us.

Right. We do nothing. We shake our fist at God. We constantly sin against him.

And so he may, by his grace, he makes us clean. And then he, he does two other things.

He's going to remove our heart of stone and, and give us the Holy spirit. And so in the removal of our heart of stone, which

I would argue is self -righteousness. Right. What are the 10 commandments written on stone?

All right. And it's saying that our heart was stone, the Jews in chapter 10 of Romans, they had taken God's Holy law and they try to turn it into a tower of Babel to reach

God on their own. So they took something that was good and Holy, and they made it evil. Right.

They made it, they, they, they turned something good and Holy into a letter of death. Right. So he removes this heart of stone, self -righteousness, thinking that we can please

God on our own doing. And he gives us a heart of flesh. And when you get into the new

Testament, when it comes to the heart, it's always the, the heart actually speaks what we believe.

Like you can say you believe all day long, but what is your heart saying? And so it says with the heart one believes and is justified.

Romans chapter five, verse one. How are we justified? By faith. So this heart that he, this new heart that he gives us is a heart of faith that calls upon him.

And so, and once we get that heart transplant, the self -righteousness taken from us, faith given to us, what comes after faith?

The Holy spirit. Right. All that is his work. So the baptism of the

Holy spirit, if you can imagine it being the waters, right? So, so in the waters of regeneration, our sins are forgiven.

We're given faith to believe, and we come out with the Holy spirit. All that is the work of God in baptism.

You do not baptize yourself. Someone is baptizing you. And when it comes to regeneration, it's the baptism of the

Holy spirit. However, Jesus, Matthew chapter three, verse 11 is the one doing the baptism.

I liked what you said there on the, the stone wasn't a template in order for us to be able to be justified by God.

As if God was giving you a rope to climb up through the works of the law, because the new

Testament says by the works of the law, no flesh will be justified. I mean, the Jews literally turned it into the tower of Babel, you know, the tower of Babel chapter 11, uh,

Genesis. They build this tower to try to get to God. Right. And the Jews took something

Holy and precious to God, his law. And they try to use it as a way to get to him.

Look how good I am. God. Yeah. Yeah. They turn the rope into a noose is what they did.

Yeah. Yeah. Good, good stuff. That one down. Wait a minute. They turn the rope,

Braden Patterson. I mean, just think about it. So as Moses is bringing down the 10 words, the two tablets, he hears a noise.

Right. And they, and he comes down and, and everyone, they're dancing around this goading cow that they made out of earrings from the fire.

Right. So they're dancing around the goading cow. By the time he gets to the new Testament, it's the 10 words that they're dancing around the cow.

The 10 words had become their God, not the God of scripture. Right. So the, uh, yeah, they were almost holy and, and just, right.

And that would be the rope where they hung himself. Yeah. And you know, it was, and it was complete grace that God would, would show us by giving us the laws, those written in stone that, that we can't make it on our own.

He's calling us to depend on him, uh, not, not to climb up that rope that we're going to end up hanging, hanging ourselves.

But that's, that's what they did. The Romans at the end of Romans nine and 10, it talks about that, that they had a righteousness of their own thinking that they'd be able to please

God in their own righteousness. All right, I'm hitting play. Okay.

So, but in regeneration, you're given life, correct? You're, you're giving a regeneration has three elements of grace, the forgiveness of sins.

You receive a new heart, which is faith in order to believe, to receive the Holy spirit. Okay. Where do you find that depiction?

And, you know, cause it sounds good, but where do you get that from scripture? That, that as, as, as you just laid it out, where do you get that from scripture?

Well, I, I mean, I said in my opening statement, I walked through Ezekiel chapter 36. If you want me to take the time to do that again,

I have no problem with it. No, I don't want to take up all your time, but I, he's trying to get me to exit.

No, no, I appreciate that. I'm just, okay. Um, uh,

Jesus says that he is the resurrection and the life. He is the way, the truth and the light.

He, he says that those who believe in him will have life. Excuse me.

And yet if regeneration precedes faith, you have life before you believe in Christ. How do you, what do you do with that?

Are there two different kinds of life? No, no, there's eternal life and eternal life comes whenever you're indwelled with the

Holy spirit. Your sins are forgiven. First grace, you're given faith to believe and through belief, you receive the

Holy spirit. It's an encompassing of eternal life. I would really like to know how many times

I had to say that same thing. Yeah. If someone is willing to go through there and write down how many times

I had to give that same answer of concern and regeneration, grace, faith, and Holy spirit,

I would be fascinated to know. It encompasses it all. I think he wanted you almost to dissect it, you know, and to break it down.

Tom, as long as you know me, do I do what people want me to do? No, no, he was, he, that's the thing.

He didn't, he didn't know. He was predicting how you would answer and he was typical other answers.

So this is answering somebody else's argument. I will say that this, this demonstrates that he is not an experienced debater.

He, he, I think he, uh, he would like to be, but that's part of debate is actually attacking your opponent's argument and listening to what their opening statement was being able to then bring out those questions that were dealing with the material that the, the other debater had had brought.

And this Jason had brought questions to argue Jill weapon.

He brought questions to argue John MacArthur, dispensational

Calvinists, because that's just the argument that he had been seeing online. And, and that's, it was not the, he was not coming to argue against Jeff rice.

Yeah, I mean, it was the idea of whenever he said that, you know, he was like me being that he, he was a Calvinist brother.

No, there's the difference between a Calvinistic Baptist and a reformed Baptist. There is, there's a big difference.

I want to point out something that my wife said. So, so Jason's profession is, is a

Christian counselor of some sort. And so, and so as a counselor, he's trying to help people in a way where he, you know, like whether he's uniting a marriage couple or he's trying to help people mentally or whatever, whatever that looks like, he's just sitting there drawing a picture as people talk.

And I don't, I don't really know. Right. But, but that profession is totally opposite against debating.

Yeah. So, so what he does as a profession and what we did the other night are two total opposite ends of the scale.

As for me, I am a, you know, I, I handle the word of God daily.

I prepare sermons and preach. I, I street preach. So I'm actively in the, in real debate in real time with people that could punch me in the face.

Right. And so I'm always like pushing and pulling and stuff like that.

Or even with myself, when it comes to the text, like, like if you ever sit down with a text and preparing a message, like there's sometimes

I, you know, like I, you know, there's a, a verse or two in my future. I'm thinking, man, I can't wait to get there because I, that's going to preach, you know, and I think

I already have the interpretation and then I get to it and I do my actual exegesis and I'm like, I didn't even know what this meant back then.

Yeah. Even, even as a, because he's an ACBC counselor, which, which

I'm, which I'm actually kind of shocked because my, one of my pastors is Frank Gutting, the

ACBC counselor, and he's actually teaching people how to become counselors and his theology, his doctrine drives how he counsels people.

So if somebody is suffering with anxiety, if somebody is suffering with, with something that has happened to them, and God is not sovereign, if you don't hold to the doctrines of grace and you're thinking that you're going to be able to muster up your own faith to, to come to him, how is he counseling somebody in a biblical way?

If God is not sovereign over everything, don't worry about anything. How can you counsel somebody to not to be, not to worry about anything if God's not sovereign?

So it's, that's, that's sad. He's really got to check on that.

Well, I don't think he listens to him. He's so sovereign that he allows you to make your own choices. You did say that.

You did say that. My wife told me to be nice. I'm very chill. Sorry. Yeah. Be nice,

Jeff. Yeah. Be nice. Come on. I don't have to be nice though. I don't either. At what expense are we going to elevate man's free will?

And that is to lower God's character. That's what all these, these theologies that want to say that God isn't sovereign.

They're going to then just reward and say, God is so sovereign that he isn't sovereign. As if we could stay his hand.

Yeah. Yeah. And then. So I'm going to skip forward because it's getting close to an hour and I, I do have to get off at an hour today, tonight, but let me skip to here real fast and, and let me,

I think it starts here. I want to show the audience. One of the, the funniest miles.

So, so Jeff, Jeff got some new teeth and God is using these new teeth to his glory.

And we're going to see it here in a moment. I will pause there. We'll make mention of it. Just watch. See it. I see that it's just common that you can put, you can put your faith in Christ and the gospel is the power of God to salvation.

So the gospel is what is preached and people can reject it or they can believe it.

Are you saying that you can stay God's hand, which is the hundred percent right question right here,

Jeff, everybody ready for the smile. What do you mean by that?

Got him. I'm sorry.

I'm sorry, Mrs. Rice, but that's funny. He's like,

I took his lunch money. He doesn't know what to do.

I'm just going to throw this out here. I almost feel sorry for him. I'm so thankful for everyone that donated for your smile,

Jeff, because it's $25 ,000 baby.

What did he finally say? Can you play that? Just a little bit. Let's go back. We'll do it again without pausing in the middle of the smile.

The smile. And yes, uh, Brayden did do his homework enough to do that. You guys are welcome.

So the gospel is what is preached and people can reject that message or they can believe it.

Are you saying that you can stay God's hand? What do you mean by that?

Are you saying that you can stay God's hand, that you can reject something God has given to you?

You can keep God from accomplishing his purpose and saving. Nope. Well, so that that's, that's starting with a presupposition that God has decreed all things to take place.

And I see that in God's sovereignty, he actually has more sovereignty by allowing us to have the ability to,

Jesus wants people to worship him because he is the king, but he freely gives them the ability to reject him and they will get their, their, their just punishment as a result of that because they've rejected their creator.

But I don't see anywhere that God is forcing people to be saved.

Again, the analogy I gave people can acknowledge that they can't do it.

They missed the Mark and they fall short. And in knowing that there is an eternal life, people realize what most people are afraid of is death and the uncertainty of what takes place for all eternity.

And they can, they hear the message of the good news that Jesus came in their place and died on the cross for them and that his perfect life can be transferred to them.

If they choose to believe on the Lord, Jesus Christ, God then saves them. He regenerates them as a result of their faith.

Just like Abraham, it was credited to him as righteousness. Like that's, that's the order in which scripture continually says,

God says, choose life. So to be saved, like choose life. Now, most people won't choose life because they're, they don't want life.

They want what they want. They want sin. And so it does take a humbling of the heart to, to move in that, you know, and there is a work of the spirit and that's where I see the, the wind blows where it wishes that John's, that Jesus is talking about.

We don't know exactly all the ways in which the Holy Spirit is working and convicting the hearts of people.

There's no like, this is exactly ABCD. How the, how the spirit works. Jason, there is nothing in and of ourselves that will give us eyes to see.

The natural man receives, not the things of the spirit for it is foolishness unto him.

It's foolishness. He cannot come. Unbelievable. So regarding the debate question,

Jeff asked, can you stay God's hand? Can you stop the work of Christ being done? Can you stop the work of the spirit?

One sensor and others, the question. Yeah. And he said, uh, essentially maybe.

And then right here at the end there, did you not hear him just say that the spirit works, but it's still up to man.

So the answer is he believes, yes, you can stop God's work and being done the, the, and he didn't say it so clearly, but that's just what that answer gives.

And again, let me, let me also be very clear in saying this. If faith is needed in order to bring about regeneration, if faith precedes regeneration, no one is saved.

No, not one. But Jason says in Ephesians two, he says, and I, I don't know where it is in this segment here.

He says in Ephesians two, that you being dead in your sins and trespasses, he says, that's, that's an idiom for just meaning that you're in pain.

Unbelievable. The Greek word is necros. Yes, it is. Death.

Yes. Dead, corruptible, rotten, dead. There is not a single dead being that will make themselves live again.

Period. It takes God to do a work and it's a work that you cannot stop from taking place.

And even if you want to try to argue that this is built upon the presupposition that God is to create all things, which is

God's sovereignty. So be it. You are trying to elevate man's freedom to your own position of an idol so that you then prayer for can boast in what you have chosen.

When in reality, God is the one that has changed your heart and has given you a new life and you are not acknowledging him, Jason and any

Armenian and out there, you are not acknowledging God for the work he has done in you.

That's what you need to repent in your pride and your boasting and your arrogance and your idolization of free will and see

Christ. God, as sovereign, who has done a work in you and not a work that you have done enough yourself.

And that if man, if man is left to themselves, if God does not intervene, you will remain dead in your trespasses and sins.

Yeah. And I don't know if you know where it's at, Brayden, where I backed him in the corner concerning faith and Ephesians two, with it being the gift of God.

And he admitted that you had to receive faith. And I pressed him on that because faith being the work of God, like you receive it.

He says that you receive that faith in hearing the gospel. And then I said, so you have to receive faith and then receive

Christ. And so you have to grab out for two things. You have to grab out for the faith to receive

Christ. And then with the faith that you've grabbed out to you, then you have to receive Christ. And he didn't like that.

I made that connection. No, because he was trying to say that we believe that you have to receive life in order to receive

Christ. We don't believe that at all. I've never in my life as a

Calvinist, as a reformed person, made that connection. That's a straw man that's being brought down upon us from Latinism.

All those Latinists out there. I don't know if you remember when

I challenged Layton Flowers to a debate. And then when Layton Flowers came to our conference, I told him that I tried to debate him, but he turned me down.

Well, the other night I debated Layton Flowers. He just looked like Jason Brita.

but, but, but, you know, like, like pressing him on the issue. And I think from here on out, we need to really press these, these

Latinists on that. The idea that you have to receive faith, like faith is handed to you, but you must receive faith in order to receive

Christ. So therefore you're having to receive both faith and you have to receive both Christ while still being dead in your sins.

And, and God didn't play a part in that, by the way. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, nope.

I'm just saying, absolutely true. That is true.

Completely right. Yeah. again, there was so much more than I wanted to say.

Could have said, you know, especially in hindsight wished I said, But in the moment and being time restricted and so so the other night again my for some reason

I updated my computer and everything just stopped working none of my camera like the computer on my camera nor my

High -definition video camera will work so I had to jump I couldn't get my iPad connected right at the moment

So I used my phone and I could not sit every time that I'm doing anything talking or whatever

I could not see the timer And so and as I'm trying to have these conversations my open a statement wherever it is

I'm wondering how much time I have in the back of my head and it was definitely Hindering what

I think I could because I think I could have done better outside of that and so I would also mention two things that this this critique of Provisionism or our minion ism repackaged with one letter of tulip, which is perseverance of the

Saints Or eternal security in that sense. This is a two -way street They're gonna say the same things towards us in the sense that oh, well

You guys are saying this and you guys just are not acknowledging that it was your free will to choose Christ And you're just attributing something to God that God wasn't the first actor upon right?

whereas we're saying you're trying to take the glory of something that God did do and And say that it was you in and of yourself that has done something.

So it's a two -way street in this Somebody said on here that that that this is that people will say that Calvinists are prideful.

I Think a consistent Calvinist is not prideful of themselves I think the

Arminian is Jason the provisionist is the prideful one because they're the ones saying

I did it. I Did it? The Calvinist is boasting in the

Lord Listen first Corinthians 126 for consider your calling brothers that there were not many wise according to the flesh

Not many mighty not many noble, but God has chosen the foolish things of the world to shame the wise and God has chosen the weak things of the world to shame the things which

Are strong and the base things of the world and the despised God has chosen

The things that are not so that he may abolish the things that are so that no flesh may boast before God And I think he's doing but let me finish but by his doing you are in Christ Jesus who became to us wisdom from God and righteousness and sanctification and Redemption so that the so that just as it is written.

Let him who boasts boast in the Lord I Think the provisionist is seeing the

Calvinist that is boasting in the knowledge of the scripture because the knowledge of the scriptures revealed the Lord unto them and saying this

Is how God has redeemed me and they're just educated in it and they're thinking this this is them being boastful

But no listen to the words of Jason and all these other provisionists

I Chose the Lord. Where's the boast at? It's self -centered and not

Externally focused upon God. Yeah, I interrupted cuz I saw a pause there.

No, you're good So and everybody knows the verse yeah for by grace you have been saved through faith and That not of yourselves

Jason and that not of yourself and that that faith is not of yourself.

That's right The Greek there would have you to understand that it's speaking of means it's not by our own means exactly

Yeah, and then it goes on to say it's the gift of God Not a result of works.

You see Jason is doing this thing concerning the the what is he calling it from Romans chapter 1 verse 13 the the ambiguous antecedent and So and that's why if you notice

I said so you You deny that the nearest antecedent is faith.

I said I say something like I know you like those antecedents And gave it another gave another $25 ,000 smile

Yes, you did and And if you look in his eyes right when

I did that he is like you little jack leg He denies that the antecedent is

So he goes right to grace Yeah It's grace. Of course.

Grace is not of ourself. What are we not giving ourself? So so grace is God given to us what we don't deserve

Why would we ever think that that we have part of God given to us what we don't deserve?

The nearest antecedent is faith. He he's jumping over faith yeah, because faith is the work of God if you if you look in a

John -chapter 6 Verse is it 35 where they asked you? Make me get to go to it real quick.

John chapter 6. They asked Jesus. What must we do to do the works of God? Jesus gives them the answer but the answer he's not answering them in the way that they asked the question

Yes, right here. It says a verse 28 John chapter 6 verse 28 Then they said to him what must we do?

To be doing the works of God verse 29 Jesus answered them This is the work of God that you believe in him whom he has sent they're wanting to know what can we do so we can take a

Sack lunch with a couple of fish and some bread and some some some biscuit sized bread and feed over 20 ,000 people

Right, and he's saying the work of God the work of God Not man's work

The work of God is that you believe in the Son in order for anyone to believe in the

Son We must be given the work of God and that is faith faith is the work of God in us, right?

Acts 13 48 how does one believe and when the Gentiles heard this they began rejoicing and glorifying in the word of the

Lord and As many as had been appointed to eternal life believed

They were appointed unto eternal life. Those are the ones who had faith. Those are the ones who would believe

If we think that we are justified through something that we can muster Yeah It's like trying to climb a rope that we just end up hanging ourselves with I'm gonna quote you on that.

I promise. All right. I just had to say it again. I Provided the rope.

I just want to say yeah fair enough. Yep Well good stuff good stuff, right and you gotta go

Yeah, I'm gonna get off of here you guys getting off to you. You're a slacker man. I'm telling you Man we're supposed to be

Joe Rogan this stuff man Hey guys Should we go on Should we be going on more often you guys?

What do you guys think? Are we are we slacking on getting on open -air theology? Nobody's replying.

Nobody cares. So I guess we're good. Well, so there's a few second delay from from everything Do y 'all want more open -air theology or y 'all won't less you want more of this right here?

Are you on less Jeff smile smile for? Five thousand slackers.

Look at that I Don't think they can handle all this.

All right. Yeah This trailer part boy. I'm not sure Yeah, well, please continue to share all these videos and whatnot

I would definitely want to see and also if y 'all have something like a topic that y 'all want us to cover

I'm gonna tell you why sometimes it's just hard figuring out what to talk about. Yeah You know, so if there's something that y 'all think that we should discuss reach out to us

We did a show on Bigfoot. We were down to talk about it. Yeah, we could you know We're the we were the original

Bigfoot show talking about it regarding theology. I just wanted to make that no Yeah way before that Brian Salvega Who is that guy right?

We are the ones that started talking about Bigfoot first. That's right Let's not get some things twisted.

Yeah, and there's no such thing by the way guys. Hey, you need to watch your mouth Tattoos speaking of tattoos.

Oh, what about the conference? You're gonna advertise it. Hey everybody's listen. There's gonna be a conference in February Yeah, there's a really cool conference in February.

I mean all the speakers are fantastic Except for one. Yeah, Braden Patterson Got huge hands

Yeah Baby I'm holding these hands clear back by my head right now.

Don't you don't you worry? Look how small

Jeff's hands are my full -size Bible Yes, so in February we're having our war conference which will be on Sanctification so The spirit versus the flesh so dealing with sanctification

It would be it's gonna be here in Tallahamma, Tennessee We're having a pre -conference It's concerning war.

We're having evangelism boot camp. And so if you've never done any evangelism before We're gonna take that time throughout that day and show you how to reach the loss for Jesus Christ the next day

We're gonna be primed for a three -day conference There's gonna be plenty of time to hang out and fellowship if you want to come hang out with the speakers

We we welcome that we get down like we have fun. Listen the last time at the conference we went to a restaurant here in town called a whiskey trails and And they had to put a bunch of tables together for all of us and it was like so loud in there

You could hardly hear yourself talk, but then when it came time to pray over the food, we all shut up and no one else

Restaurant was talking. It was just all us We stopped to pray

Like all the noise ceased and then the pair was over and fired back up like we just have such a wonderful time

It's unlike any conference you'll ever go to I'm telling you the speakers are fantastic.

The fellowship is Second to none Second to none and Melissa if you come yes,

I'll bring the diamond crown cigars So you're welcome Melissa. You need to figure it out girl.

Come on. Let's go Let's go February What are the dates

I can't remember yep I Got it together, baby

Wait, wait. Oh guys time out. What time out time out time out time out. I Can do something really cool here for a moment.

Just give me a second Work the audience work the audience

And so Jeffrey's buying free cigars for everybody I think Free cigars, how about free cigars?

Well, you you're gonna give out free cigars. You're gonna buy ours and give them out free I'll buy some $2 cigars.

No one be smoking. There's only gonna be ten of them You better be there brother trying to find it

Yeah, it's very embarrassing Wait, are you trying to pull up the image?

Yes Did how do you want me to send it to the face?

To the text message real quick. Yeah, do it. That'd be a good way doing it. How do you do that?

How do you so I see pretty? Okay, I just sent it to the text group

Listen, if I tell you guys all my secrets, you guys aren't gonna need me any longer and then I'm gonna be all by my loose himself

We wouldn't do that. I know it's kind of like yeah, everybody needs a sidekick.

So that's hey, can I play this real quick? Put that on Here it comes. That's my intro

For the for the even There it is, oh there it is look at that The dead man walking

Jeremiah nor tears being the debater Michael Schultz that guy has too many titles.

I can't even remember. I think sensei is one of them or maybe that's Keith Dollar smile that You 25 ,000 that'll look at you condescending if you say something stupid

The mustache of Doc Holliday Tom Shepard, you don't want to associate yourself with that guy

Did you get Jeremiah nor tear A Resident dispensation list

Mean things I'm gonna stop Keith Foskey Marlon Wilson Sam Waldron Hensworth Jonas, Austin Keillor Cody Kofi I can't say her last name

Kofi. Sorry Kofi Ryan Denton Claude Ramsey it's gonna be awesome

There are gonna be t -shirts there for all the visitors there that say that I I went to the open -air theology conference and and the speakers gonna have one with my picture on it that says

I spoke with Tom Shepard and The the people who get to listen will have their picture next to me, too

So the main conference is February 20th through the 22nd the pre -conference

However, we'll be on that's gonna be on evangelism will be on the 19th That's gonna be awesome, too

We got street preachers. We're going to street preach to right? We're gonna be straight preaching like if you want to know how to Like a lot of people they don't like knocking on doors

But if you want to learn how to knock on doors and it'd be effective. I'm gonna be teaching about that as well

Braden's gonna be teaching on ding -dong ditching. That's right. Yeah Leave a

Book of Mormon come back and tell them there's been some To get into a gospel conversation.

It's great All right

You take this one down no, that's okay. I was just trying to buy time you don't have to okay. Don't worry about it.

All right All right, well, I guess we'll get off here then I'm having too much fun so last words

Repent and believe the gospel By the hands are average size.

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