Can You Become A God?

Isaiah’s Claim That There Is No God Before or After the Lord

Okay, well, I got a gospel question for you then because that's what we're out here doing sharing the gospel. So a question Isaiah 43 10 you familiar with the verse. Okay. Let's see What this one right here?

Okay, so it says behold. I am the Lord. No, there is none form before me. None. Shall there be after me, right? Isaiah 44 6 thus says the Lord the King of Israel and his Redeemer the Lord of hosts. I am the first and I am the last besides me.

There's no God, right? So these are scriptures from the Bible Isaiah just reading them quoting them. So that's what the Bible says, right? But the LDS Church teaches that there are many gods. That there are an endless number of gods and in fact that you can become one one day.

Right that there was actually a God before the God of the Bible that we're talking about. So I would say is how do you reconcile that difference between what the Bible says? Which I would say is a stand our standard of truth and what the LDS Church is teaching.

What do you think my response would be to that I Don't know. I've heard a few different responses. If you had a minute I could share two scriptures. I think that'll help explain what I believe. Okay. Yep.

Monotheism, CS Lewis, and Whether the Wrong God Can Save

There's two scriptures one in the Old Testament and one in the new. That I think illustrate my belief and I think really the difference in our beliefs is largely Samantha. Have you ever heard the story of CS Lewis?

Yep, I know CS Lewis's so, you know how he was an atheist and his his friends who are Christians of different denominations. Talked with him and eventually came to believe in Christ though. He never became Catholic like his friends wanted.

But he he wrote some amazing works on the nature of God and I think they're quite spectacular and While you're doing that do you think CS Lewis was a monotheist. I believe monotheist. Honestly, he he believed in Jesus Christ and that he was a savior.

I believe he was a Church about to write. Yeah. Yeah, I believe he was a member of the Church of England. So I don't not familiar with all of the Specific doctrines of the Anglican Church. Yeah, I know a little bit.

So why you pull up that those quotes I want to ask you this. Do you believe that if you have the wrong God? That you have a God that cannot save you. The real question is if somebody believes in things that are different about a God say Judaism or Islam they believe in a God who and they even draw from many of the same texts.

But if they believe different things about him, will they be saved? I would say that they wouldn't be saved and I'll tell you why. That they believe things about God a different God sure sure. Yes. Then I think I think truly if we believe the wrong things about God one God is merciful and loving and so he'll work to try and draw everyone to the truth.

Even if they'll only accept parts of it. But I do believe he invites everyone to accept the full truth and hopes that we will. And I do believe we'll be judged based on the decisions we make when the full truth is presented to us.

I do think though that it's better to accept some of God's truth and perhaps be misled or miss something else. Than to reject all sure and I and I would say that you're right in that if you don't have the one truth.

That you don't have the truth at all, right? Because there's only one truth. Would you say that that would you agree with that? There can only be one truth objective truth. Yes I think that people can sometimes Believe or come to know parts of it, but sometimes miss the mark with other parts.

Sure. Sure. So the scriptures John 14 6 Jesus says I am the way the truth and the life. No man comes to the father, but but by me, right? So there's only one way to God and that is through faith in Jesus Christ.

So we can show that there is only one truth. There's only one way to God and if you get God wrong Then you have a God who cannot save you. Would you agree with that? Because you're not creating your own sure but what I guess let me rephrase it this way if you don't have the truth about salvation.

Then you don't have salvation. You don't have faith in the one true God. Would you agree with that? Objective truth, what do you think about somebody who came to know part of the truth say a Jew in the first century?

Before missionaries reached him died. Do you think that he would be safe? No, and I'll tell you why. Same verse I am the way the truth in the life. No man comes to the father but through me so that Jesus clearly saying that there's only one way to the father and that's through him and The way that we are saved maybe you can you would be able to parallel this is through faith in Christ.

Alone, would you say that you are saved through faith in Christ alone? That's the only way to be saved. Yes, it's a gift that he's given us right so grace is a gift given by God that we don't earn. I believe that God Jesus Christ is loving and kind and powerful enough that he's provided for ways for Anyone to be saved if they will accept the gospel.

Jesus, the Son of God, and Psalm 82

Absolutely. I don't have absolutely. I don't have time to pull up the scripture, right? Okay, Jesus Christ when he was speaking to the Pharisees had them come to him and they were quite upset. Because he had forgiven somebody's sins and they said you can't do that right and he said Because they blame only God had authority to do that right and No God is the only one who's authority to do that.

The difference is they didn't recognize he was the Son of God which he pointed out and they called it blasphemy and wouldn't stone Him and he said some of the effect of why do you call it blasphemy that I call myself the Son of God.

When it's true, is it not written in your law? I said you're God's and children. Why then would you say it's blasphemy if I say I'm the Son of God. Now that refers to a scripture in Psalms. I couldn't pull up the exact chapter and it's 86 where it says you're all gods and children of the most.

Yep. Now we of course differ in our specific ways. But I do believe it is through Christ's grace only that we are saved. But I do believe he has a plan for that Jew in the first century who believed all the truth he had received.

And died. I believe God is a way to preach it to him. So that even after death he is the opportunity to accept or reject Christ and the fullness of his gospel. So I let me ask so let me respond to what you've said.

John 8, “I Am,” and the Claim That Jesus Is God

You've said that Jesus said that he was the Son of God, but that's not what he said. He said that I am God. He said before Abraham was what did I am? What is I am? I am means Jehovah means God, right?

Right, but the point I was trying to make is that the language of using gods with a little G is not Saying that somebody becomes God or replaces him rather I believe it's a scriptural term and this is why I brought up CS Lewis.

He even uses it not saying that anybody replaces God. Rather saying that when somebody is saved and lives with God they become Angels to God essentially they learn and grow and inherit part of his glory as it says in Revelations days.

I think Jesus said something along the lines of they sit down on the throne with them. It's not that anybody replaces God, but rather that God shares his grace and goodness and power and glory. With everyone so CS Lewis said in a way He said that if we saw these people now one might be if they didn't have proper understanding be tempted to worship such a being.

Though wouldn't be correct. And I think that's true. We see people Mistakenly think that was somebody they should worship. Yeah, so I think God does share his grace. And yes, the language our church uses is God's which is inflammatory language to many people.

But I believe it's a reference to those scriptures that simply point out our heritage as children of God if we follow him and accept Christ grace, so I know exactly the verse that you're talking about about God's and The reference in Psalm is to the Old Testament where they had judges, right?

So they had judges. Meaning judges, so they had judges that they put over the people and what he's literally telling the Pharisees is That you called these judges gods at the time. So why are you now?

Upset when I call myself God and The reason they were upset when they because they called him God because he called himself God is because he wasn't referring to himself as a judge as they did in the Old Testament.

He was referring to them as the Almighty God the one only true God Yahweh Jehovah, right? So my response is going back to Isaiah 44 6 and Isaiah 43 10 is Worse that was written to like you said a monotheistic people right who believed in one God.

So obviously those scriptures are saying there is only one God and I am he. None shall it be formed before me. None will come after me. I am the beginning the end. The Alpha Omega says do you know of any other God?

I know of not none. We would be calling God an idiot because he doesn't know of any other God. Of course my interpretation how I believe those scriptures I think would be different if I asked you what God's purpose was for this world.

Perhaps you might say for God's own glory. Would that be correct? Yes, I believe that God while he is Creating his own glory. I believe that because he is good. His purposes are not just for himself, but rather for others.

Specifically his children. And I believe he wants to help his children learn and grow and be able to inherit all of the glory and happiness. And joy that we are able to receive from and where would you go for?

Like if I were to ask you based on what you believe where would you go to give me those references? Like where would you go in your belief system? Would you go to the Bible? I believe it can be taught by the Bible.

But I again also do believe that God is the same yesterday today and forever. He does not change right it called prophets anciently and does as well today. And I believe that he never ceases to speak and since the Bible is his word I do believe that there are other books which contain his word.

And so I would go to them and I believe it is the Spirit of the Lord which speaks with as he says in Kings with a still small voice that I think helps people discern truth from error because there are many people who teach falsely.

And there is always the possibility that I or others have been deceived sure. I think we pursue with a true and honest heart. We are trying to listen to the Spirit and studying the scriptures. We will be led in the end to choose according to the desires of our heart either to accept God's Gospel and receive it or perhaps to err and to do things that are right.

So if you believe. If you really. And that's why I think Jew in the first century We might not have heard of Jesus would receive as much opportunity as God. Every child who wanted to know, you know, the person born in China or Australia Before Christ was born.

He maybe didn't have the opportunity. I believe God would know their hearts and provide an opportunity that they could hear the good word of God of Jesus Christ. You think you could be doing that? So Yes, we had many conversations like this where frankly they didn't believe the same things.

I believe I think God will work through us to bring us as near to the truth as we will accept. And so I'll take these documents. Sure. Thank you. I'll take a look at them. Yeah, because I do believe you deserve that opportunity.

Sure. Sure. It is always the chance. I do not believe correctly. I just hope we'll treat each other with love and civility. Yeah. And that's why we're actually out here and that's why we are sharing this message because The Bible says there's one way to God, right.

So it's a narrow path. So. So I say that because if you have a wrong Jesus the wrong Jesus. You have the wrong God and you have a God who cannot save you and I say that to the atheist I say that to the LDS.

I say that to other Christians if you're believing in the wrong God. You have a God that cannot save you and therefore your salvation is not secure. And how could we know that our salvation is secure or not?

Besides going back to God's Holy Word the scriptures and the absolute authority of and Going back and saying what does it say about the nature of God? What does it say about how I am saved who is Jesus if I have the wrong Jesus just because I call him Jesus.

Doesn't mean I have the right one the one that can save me from my sin. And it says that we are saved in the scriptures through faith alone in Christ alone, right? Not that I might boast but it is a gift of God as you have said not works.

The Meaning of Jesus’ “I Am” and the Final Appeal to John 8

But where the difference is is that the Bible and you've quoted it tonight Jesus that never calls himself. Specifically in those scriptures that you're talking about the Son of God. He calls himself Like he said Jehovah God and because the Bible is written to a monotheist Theistic people people who believe in one God Jesus refers to himself as God.

Why did they pick up stones to stone him? And this is what you said earlier you believe is because he was they believed he was misusing the terms of these new scriptures. They were referred to judges, but you believe that no nobies because well, he said why do you call you think they called them gods?

Why are you upset about that? But they were upset. No, no, no. No, they were they were they were upset because he said I am and The Jews knew exactly what he was saying because they said our father is Abraham.

And what did who did Abraham stand in front of right? I am that's that's how God referred to himself so the He didn't say I'm the Son of God. He said I am the God and That's why they pick up stones to stone him and that is why we're sharing this message as well is because I know that you've been taught by the church LDS Church that Jesus is a God the Son of God, but he is not the God the one true Holy God and that is the God who has the power like you said to say your sins are forgiven.

Get up and walk. Right in that scripture that you quoted He's not the little God the God below the God that was the only begotten of the father. But he is the God and that's why I say we may be saying Jesus.

But the Bible speaks of Jesus in one way and the church I believe is teaching Jesus in another way. Dusty Tyler good to meet you, too. This is my daughter amnesty. She's out here hanging out. Nice to meet you.

Yeah, I appreciate what you guys are doing. Yeah, I still believe different. Yeah. Sure, but I appreciate it because it shows you have concern for my soul. Seeing that you believe you found the one way you desire that I would be saved.

Yeah, I will take these documents but yeah, I do believe that the Bible teaches a little differently but I appreciate. Awesome man, would you do me a favor tonight? Got King King James King James read John 8.

Okay, just read it perfect. All right, and you'll see what I'm talking about when Jesus refers to himself there. All right, man. Well, thanks for your time brother. You have a good night. Yes. Good luck with your studies as well, brother.