June 24, 2021 Show with Dr. Joe Morecraft on “Proper Heroes Put in Their Proper Place in the Lives of Christians” (Part 3)

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Today we are going to be addressing part three of a subject that we began a

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Well, thank you very much for that.

Yes, sir.

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Proper Heroes Put in Their Proper Place in the Lives of Christians.

And I understand that you would like to segue now into those great heroes of

the faith known as the Covenanters.

I don't

know

of

any

period

under

his

preaching.

So

these

were

Anglicans

that

were

persecuting

the Church

of

Scotland.

Yes.

The King and so

the King,

James I,

the reason they

didn't like

and

they

believed

that

in

the church

you

should

elect

your

royal

king, but

he

didn't

like

and he

couldn't

stay

at

their

national

in

on

their

name

in

their

ultimate

of

England

on

the

national

government.

Well,

if

you

could

pick

up

right

where you left

off

when

we

return

from

our.

First break.

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of proper heroes put in their proper place in the lives of Christians, and today we are

highlighting the lives and legacy of the Covenanters.

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But anyway, you left off, I believe, when the Church of England

refused to agree to a pact that the Scottish

Covenanters were attempting to.

Get them to agree to.

Yes, but let me say, first of all, there's another

that

a

book

of

liturgies

requires

him

to

say,

and so

the

Scottish

people,

and the king

caught

on, so the

king

outlawed

Phil.

That is, they

believe

that Christ,

not

man, is the

head of the

18 -year period.

I was reading a

question by a

guest, a

listener, I

should

say.

I had my microphone on mute while I

was reading.

And they started, because when the king's soldiers would come by,

we'd call that a

hatred.

Oh yeah, in

fact, do

you think

you'll lose your train of thought if I ask.

A relevant question to what you just asked from a listener?

No, I don't think so.

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in an active sinful lifestyle and enjoy it without repenting, how do you answer them when they

bring up heroes of the faith like Edwards and Whitefield, who owned slaves, or take

a step further, Dabney, who defended slavery?

The progressive Christians say they are actively enjoying a sinful lifestyle

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I'd love to hear your response to this, Jay.

That is a very,

in fact, if you kidnapped a man and sold him, you would be executed under the law of God.

For kidnapping, that's exactly correct.

Now, slavery, understand that in

the 1600s,

they didn't

drive

it all.

Yes.

And during

the same period of time in which Africans.

Wow.

And I

know

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your

church will excommunicate an unrepentant racist.

As accurately defined, not as defined by the leftist.

In fact,

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have to pick

up

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you

left off

there,

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Oh, we have a mutual friend.

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I don't know if this question has been asked, but I was wondering if Joe could recommend any books on the history of the

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But if you could,.

Dr.

Moorcraft,

give

your

own

recommendation.

He's

a

great,

lovely

young

man

anymore.

And

so he

goes

to

this

place,

and

he

was

a

convert.

Praise God.

Wow.

I just wanted to give a plug to our last listener who sent in the

question.

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We have Ronald in Eastern Suffolk County who asks,

What are your thoughts on the 17th century Scottish theologian George

Gillespie?

I recall years ago reading a volume by him that impressed me greatly, if my memory

serves me correctly, especially because he was vehemently opposed to many of the

Romish intrusions into the Anglican.

Church.

He's

25 years

old.

He

committed

a

rebuke

at every

point,

that

Gillespie.

So somebody looked at

his notepad.

This is just a note of encouragement.

We have Cindy in Findlay, Ohio, who just says, in regard to your story on

John Welch, Greatest story of a man I've heard.

Well, great.

Obviously, it's quite obvious that you have a heartfelt

belief in that.

Yes, sir.

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Welcome back.

If you just tuned us in, our guest for the entire program has been and will continue to be,

for the next 15 minutes, my dear friend, Dr. Joseph C. Moorcraft III.

We are discussing part three of a theme that we began a

couple of months ago, proper heroes put in their proper place in the lives of Christians.

And we have been giving special focus today to the Scottish Covenanters.

If you have a question, send it in immediately because we're rapidly running out of time.

ChrisArnzen at gmail .com.

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Always give us your first name at least, city and state, and country of residence.

And we have Bobby in Hartsdale, New York, who says,.

In our modern day, the Reformed Presbyterian Church of North

America and their sister denomination overseas in the United Kingdom

claim that they are the modern day heirs of the Covenanters.

In fact, they frequently go by the nickname Covenanters.

How similar are these Covenanters today to those of their heroes of

yesteryear?

Let me add, Dr. Moorcraft, if you're going to be critical, please be patient and merciful because I have many friends

in that denomination.

So do I.

Okay, good.

In fact, I think Gary Wagner is too, isn't he?

No,

no

history

that

has

the.

Wow.

He's done that in the Bible.

Give all the marks.

Wow.

That's the way to keep

being

pushations.

Amen.

We hate tyranny.

Amen.

Amen.

Amen.

And by the way, I see why I made that error to think that the

Reformed Heritage Church in Los Gatos, California, was a part of the Reformed

Presbyterian Church of North America.

On the website, they have the same banner that that denomination uses for Christ's crown and covenant.

That is a Covenanter banner, by the way.

Right.

We have time for one last listener question.

RJ in White Plains, New York, asks, I am no expert on church history,

but the persecution of the Covenanters is the only example that I

personally can think of where Protestants gruesomely

persecuted other Protestants that believed in the same

gospel, albeit had differences on other issues, and also

where a heretic may have disagreed with the Godhead or something

vital such as that.

Were those in the Church of England who persecuted the Covenanters admitting that these were

their brothers in Christ and that they shared the same gospel?

No, sir.

Really?

That point is that—.

Wow.

But the Church of England was claiming on the surface to be Protestant, though, right?

Well, the Church of England—.

Very Protestant.

But the Church of—.

Right.

We are out of time now.

I want to make sure our listeners have your website again, heritagepresbyterianchurch

.com, heritagepresbyterianchurch .com.

That's the website of Heritage Presbyterian Church in Cumming, Georgia.

And also, don't forget about westminstercommentary .com to find out more about the

eight -volume commentary on the Westminster Larger Catechism by Joseph C. Moorcraft III.

And last but not least, don't forget about comprehensivechristianity .com,

comprehensivechristianity .com, the website of Tim Renshaw, who is an elder at Heritage

Presbyterian Church in Cumming, Georgia.

I want to thank you so much, Dr. Moorcraft.

I definitely want you to come back to continue this theme because there's so many other heroes we can highlight, and I'm sure you

know a lot of them.

And I want to thank everybody who listened.

I want you all to always remember for the rest of your lives that Jesus Christ is a far greater Savior than you

are a sinner.