Are Psychologists the Literal Spawn of Satan?

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Defining Psychology as a Counseling Philosophy

Welcome to Bible Bashed, where we aim to equip the saints for the works of ministry. We're your hosts, Harrison Kerrig and Pastor Tim Mullett, and today we seek to answer the age-old question, Are Psychologists the Literal Spawn of Satan?

Now, before we answer that question, Tim, I think it might be helpful if you could just sort of define that word, psychology, so that people listening will know exactly what we're talking about when we're using that word.

Okay, well, psychology is essentially a series of competing counseling philosophies which are aimed at trying to provide, essentially, a humanistic understanding of the soul. So, the word psychology comes from two words in the Greek, ψυχή, meaning soul, essentially, or spirit or breath, and then you have the word λόγος, or λογία, which is essentially meaning the study of, in this kind of context.

So you put those two together and you get study of the soul. Now, as I said, psychology is not a monolith, there is no singular thing that is psychology. If you go to any number of psychologists, you're going to get different kinds of counseling, but then they're all essentially going to be rooted in some sort of secular or Darwinian worldview.

Now, I mean, there is what's called biblical counseling, and the biblical counseling movement is a rejection of secular humanistic psychology in that kind of way, but essentially what you're dealing with is you're dealing with some sort of counseling philosophy.

And there are many, as I said, many competing counseling philosophies. At a popular level, psychology is going to be essentially interacting with the DSM categories or the Diagnostic Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders, and that's going to provide essentially a competing worldview with that of the Bible.

Now, many understand or recognize that Freud is the father of modern psychology. And one of the things that Freud sought to do intentionally was to start out with that Darwinian, that basic Darwinian assumption that the world essentially came into being at some point from nothing and somehow in some kind of Big Bang kind of framework, as they're arguing for now.

But the essential evolutionary philosophy of Darwin is that everything, life starts out in simple life forms and is evolving into some sort of complex life forms. And so one of the things that Freud was trying to do was provide intentionally, I mean, you just read his works, he's intentionally setting out to provide an alternative to soul care.

So it used to be that, you know, if individuals had a problem, they would go to pastors to seek to interact and deal with it. But this is, you know, Freud, the father of modern psychology, was intentionally setting out to provide a competing method of dealing with the soul or understanding the soul that wasn't based on religious presuppositions, but in a Darwinian worldview.

And that project has largely been successful. So today, you know, it is very true, even in the church, that if there is some sort of problem that a person is struggling with, whether it be an eating disorder or worry or anxiety or depression or anger or sadness or whatever it is, I mean, different moods or motivation or whatever else.

There's many, many, I mean, I would say the vast majority of churches in America really have functionally zero answers to give to any individuals in those kind of situations. Or, you know, many, I mean, most, I would say most of the basic issues of life.

And we've surrendered that territory and given it over to the psychologists.

Psychology, Moral Agency, and the Devil's Work

So essentially, you're saying psychology is a Darwinian or maybe a materialistic attempt at trying to explain issues pertaining to the soul. Is that a fair summary?

Yeah, I mean, all of your psychologies, whatever the counseling philosophy, you know, whether it's just rooted in, you know, behavior modification or whatever it is. I mean, whatever the philosophy, you know, if it's Jungian psychology, if it's Freudian psychology, whatever.

I mean, it's all going to be an attempt to explain human behavior. And so not only is it attempting to explain the basic questions of life. Why do we do what we do? These counseling theories or philosophies are not only trying to give us a vocabulary to deal with, you know, how to diagnose people, labels that we're going to put on people to describe their thoughts and behaviors.

But then it's putting forward some sort of solution to these basic problems that is not going to be found in the scriptures. It's going to be found outside of that in some way.

Okay. Well, I think that flows pretty naturally into our next question, which is, are psychologists literal children of Satan?

Yeah. Well, I think the literal answer to that question is probably not. I mean, now, I mean, it is possible that Satan, who is the father of lies, did, you know, either himself or send fallen angels in order to copulate with all of psychologists' mothers.

And essentially produce half human offspring, you know, like what happened in Genesis 6, the days of Noah with the Nephilim and thereafter. That could be the case, you know, that I don't want to dismiss that as a possibility.

But then when the Bible talks about humanity, the Bible does say that humanity is divided into two basic categories. You have the sons of God and you have the sons of the devil. And that son of language there, so just to give you a passage, John 8, 44, Jesus says to the religious leaders at the time, You are of your father, the devil, and your will is to do your father's desires.

He was a murderer from the beginning and does not stand with the truth because there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks out of his own character, for he is a liar and the father of lies. Now, when he says that to the Pharisees, he's not saying that they were literal offspring of Satan.

What he's saying is they're characterized by, they're both characterized by the character of Satan. And then they're in some sense under the power of Satan. So the Bible says the whole world lies under the sway of the evil one.

And so there is a great enemy of our soul. And they're basically essentially two humanities. There are the sons of God or those who are, who have Jesus as their father and whose desire is to do the will of Jesus as their father.

And then there are those who are essentially running the playbook of Satan and trying to advance his purposes, whether knowledgeably or not. And I would say that as a generalization, yes, I mean, psychologies are doing the work.

Psychologists are doing the work of the devil, obviously. I say obviously, but you know, it's obvious to me, but I would say it's not obviously everyone else. Unfortunately, that's why we're doing this podcast.

So essentially psychologists are literal children of Satan metaphorically.

Something like that, yeah. Not literal, but yeah.

Metaphorical, sure. So I guess, you know, you brought up the passage where Jesus is, he's speaking with the Jewish leaders of the time. And he's telling them that they are of their father, the devil. So does that mean that we, when we're interacting with psychologists or when we're talking about this subject, we need to view psychologists the same as we would view false teachers?

I mean, the same as we should view spiritual false teachers? Is that what you're saying?

Oh, I mean, absolutely. Psychology is a competing worldview with the Bible. It is essentially adopting the same kind of territory the Bible is seeking to address. So like there are, I would say that psychologists are Satan's priest.

I mean, they're doing his work, you know, and that seems like a strong term. It seems like it's over the top. It seems like I'm being crazy. But you have to understand something. The reason why people think that kind of thing sounds crazy is because they don't actually understand.

Well, I'll say two things. First, so much ground has been lost in this territory that we don't even know where we're at, okay? So, I mean, like the issue is that it used to be that if you have a problem, I mean, let's say you're a teenage girl, right?

And you don't like the way you look. And so instead of having some sort of understanding of food and the purpose of food that you're going to derive from the scriptures or something else, like you're looking at yourself, you're comparing yourself with other women, you don't like what you see, you're weighed down with insecurities, maybe you have struggle in life and difficult problems in life or fairly trivial problems in life, whatever.

But then you look at food and you're trying to exercise some kind of measure of control over your life. And so what you do is you go and either you binge and then you purge, right? Or you refuse to eat at all, right?

So in that kind of scenario, one of the things to realize is that there are labels for that kind of thing. You call that anorexia or bulimia in the language of psychology. But the problem, though, is that I think Christians, as they read their Bible, we don't even think to go to the scriptures and try to figure out, well, what do you do with that kind of thing anymore?

We just think, oh, well, she's suffering from anorexia or she's suffering from bulimia. Therefore, we don't have anything to say. So you go talk to a psychologist or something like that. Now, the problem, though, is that in every one of these cases, you think about any of these labels that you're given, right?

Anxiety, alcoholism, depression, whatever. The issue is that you have psychology, which is essentially looking at their book and going to provide a diagnosis for why that's going to happen. So you're going to get a certain label, and those labels actually matter, OK?

So for instance, just think about it this way. If someone drinks too much alcohol and gets drunk every night and refuses to hold down a job, what do you call them? A drunk.

Well, we've had this conversation. Well, that's what I call them, yeah.

But the thing is no one calls them. We used to say, oh, hey, you're a worthless drunk, right? I mean, that's what you used to say. But then now we say, hey, you're suffering from alcoholism, right? I mean, that's kind of what we say.

And if you say, hey, you're suffering from alcoholism, well, it sounds like you're some sort of victim who's struggling with cancer. So here's the thing. The question is should you look at psychologists as false teachers?

Semantically, isn't it very different to call someone a worthless drunk and to call them suffering from alcoholism, right? And so what psychologists are doing, we look to them as if they're experts. We grant them some kind of authority over us, and then we're working within their categories, and their categories are deeply meaningful.

Now, what do you do with that guy who's with the worthless drunk who you say, hey, he's been suffering for alcoholism for years? I mean, you can imagine yourself being at a funeral and then the kids of the dad get up and say, yeah, he suffered with alcoholism for years.

Like they present them in the language of victimization, and that language totally takes away any moral responsibility that man has, right? And the problem there, like here's the problem. Like when you take away all moral responsibility, what you are doing is you are treating that person as if he's subhuman.

And not only that, you're taking away any hope that they have of the gospel, right? So how do we respond to the gospel? We respond to the gospel like the good news of what Jesus did in faith and repentance, but you can't repent of an illness.

If you have cancer, you can't repent of getting cancer. That's the way it works. You can't. Like I mean so with every one of these categories, like when you label them in the language of victimization, what you're doing is you are taking away moral agency from a human being and you're shutting off their hope of the gospel, and that's the problem, right?

So like that's the difficulty with this subject matter.

Can a Christian Be a Psychologist?

Well, okay. So if we're supposed to view psychologists that way, then is it possible for a psychologist to even be a Christian if we're supposed to view them the same as we would any other spiritual false teacher?

Yeah, I mean that's a difficult question to answer because obviously there's thousands and thousands and thousands of psychologists in the world who are operating on some sort of spectrum as far as that goes.

Now like as a generalization, I hope it's becoming more and more obvious to people that— and I think it really is becoming more obvious to people that people are tired of becoming drug addicts because they go to a psychologist and psychologists by and large as a generalization seem to think— and there's a movement of psychologists who are pushing back on this.

I'm not trying to overgeneralize, but the reality is that one in five women are on antidepressants right now. They are functional drug addicts because they don't know how to handle their life. This is a huge problem.

So one in five women are on antidepressants and basically that means that you have one in five women who are functionally hopeless. I mean I think that's one in five being functionally hopeless and filled with complaints and everything else that's on the low end, but I'm just saying that one in five of them are proving themselves to be that through use of antidepressants.

But here's the thing. So I don't think that all psychologists are to the same degree removing all moral agency or personal responsibility from people, but the reality is that psychology and the Bible do not mix.

They're competing worldviews, and they have been competing worldviews from the start. And so as a generalization, it is very difficult. It is very, very difficult to look at a person who is a part of a profession that at its core is a competing worldview with that of the Bible and doing great damage to the Bible and have any confidence about the state of their soul.

That is very difficult to do. So I mean it's like asking, is it possible for Robin D 'Angelo or something to be secretly a Christian when she's caught up in all the woke nonsense and everything else? It's like, hey, this is a competing worldview here.

It's very…. And any attempt really to harmonize this alternative worldview with the Bible is inevitably…. It's like oil and water. It doesn't mix. They're fundamentally set at odds at almost every single conceivable point.

And maybe we could talk about some of that. But no, I mean, as a generalization, the Bible says that of those individuals who cause these little ones who believe in me to stumble, it would be better for them that a millstone is hung around their neck and they are cast into the depths of the sea.

And as a profession and as a generalization, that is essentially what psychologists are doing. They are removing personal responsibility from people. They're blaming spiritual problems on supposed theories about organic, some sort of organic cause.

Functionally, what they're doing is they're cutting people off from repentance and destroying their hope of really providing a major stumbling block that keeps people from actually turning to the Lord and dealing with their actual problems.

And I can just give you example after example after example of individuals I counseled who were just sitting there. I'll just give you one example real quick. I know this is a long answer to that question.

But look, this guy I counseled, we'll call him Richard, who is a 30-year-old guy sitting at home all day long playing video games in his parents' house. And I'm trying to counsel him, and he wants to get married, but he can't.

And why? Well, why can't he go out and get married when he doesn't have any money and his parents won't let him and he doesn't have a job and everything else? Well, why can't you go get a job? Well, because I'm suffering from ADD and he's on Ritalin and he's received that diagnosis.

And that kind of person, you look at him and say, hey, you're going to change your life. You're coming to biblical counseling. You need to start reading your Bible. And it's like, I can't. I have my ADD.

So the ADD is keeping me from living a productive life. It's keeping me from reading the Bible. And I don't care what you say. You're able to spend 16 hours a day playing video games. You can't read your Bible.

This is a spiritual issue, and the person who gave him that label is that person in the Bible that the Bible says, it's better a millstone put around your neck and you cast into the depths of sea. You've given them some sort of moral excuse to fail to handle life at a basic and fundamental level.

That label is functioning as a massive stumbling block to keep you from being sanctified. And that's how those labels function in every single instance. You have a lady who's on antidepressants and who never gives thanks, has no joy in her heart, has no joy in her life, and constantly complains, constantly grumbles.

Do you think you have any ability to confront her and say, hey, you need to repent of that complaining and start giving thanks because the Bible says that man's basic problem is he didn't glorify God or give thanks?

No, she's going to wield her label of depression as a club against the Bible that's going to give her every excuse she needs to keep from actually having to look in the mirror and take responsibility for anything.

And that's how those labels function across the board. That's not exaggeration. That's the standard way they function, and everyone knows it. So if you're a part of that, and that's what your life is characterized by, as removing personal responsibility from people, by presenting to them this hostile worldview, I don't see how you can possibly be not doing the devil's work at that point.

Right. So that's the point. Now I'm sure that maybe there's someone somewhere along the line who went to school and who basically has chucked most of that and still has his license and everything else and maybe doing a lot of good work, and there's just a little bit of that mixed in there.

But that's not my experience, looking at what's actually happening.

The Biblical Counseling Movement and the Sufficiency of Scripture

Well, at the risk of kind of going off on a little side trail for a second, earlier you mentioned that there was a movement of people who were rejecting psychology. I don't know exactly what group of people you're talking about.

Could you kind of flesh that out a little more?

Sure. So, I mean, Jay Adams was a guy who basically taught at Westminster Seminary in Philadelphia, but then there's a movement that started under the broad rubric of nuthetic counseling, essentially.

And nuthetic counseling is coming from a Greek word, nutheteo, which basically means to admonish. And so there is a broad movement of people who, you know, he's one of the central people and it's kind of spread out from there to include a lot of people like Paul Tripp and at least Fitzpatrick and that kind of stuff.

And I don't know that it's as cohesive as it used to be, but there's plenty of guys in that kind of world. Masters University out in California has a school that's just solely trying to do biblical counseling.

Southern Baptist Theological Seminary in Louisville, there was a program that Professor Stuart Scott came from Masters University in order to start a biblical counseling program at Southern. And so there are schools out there that are doing that kind of thing.

And there's some major churches out there, but the thing that they became convinced of, and this was, you know, I think in the 70s and 80s, when some of the stuff started taking off a little bit, but they became convinced that the Bible is sufficient.

So, you know, we have an authoritative Bible. The debates of the past were all over, you know, inerrancy is the Bible without error. But then, you know, with the psychology discussion, the issue is not inerrancy is the Bible without errors.

The discussion is, is the Bible sufficient? So did God give us what we need in his word to tell us how to handle the basic problems of life? That's the question. And that's the question that is essential to the discussion of biblical counseling versus psychology is, did God tell us, you know, did God give us enough information in the book, in his book to help a drunk know how to repent of his drunkenness?

Did the Bible tell, give us enough information to tell a thief how to quit being a thief, right? Or a kleptomaniac, if you want to remove all personal responsibility from that person. Did the Bible tell us, you know, give us enough information to tell a girl who doesn't like the way she looks or wants to exercise some sort of control over her life, how to keep from throwing up in a bathroom, right?

And doesn't that just sound mean? Doesn't it sound mean? I mean, a side note, it doesn't sound mean to say it like that, but that's the whole thing. We're just so trained in the language of victimization that if you accurately describe what people are actually doing, it's like, how dare you?

It's like, well, no, I mean, like I'm talking in terms of moral categories, right? But anyways, so the biblical counseling movement was essentially a movement where people said, hey, you know, like we're tired of farming all these problems off to the psychologists.

I thought we're supposed to be shepherds, right? I thought that we believed the Bible was sufficient. I thought that we believed in a book that was supposed to help us to stand firm and to be strong and to resist the enemy and everything else.

And it seems like part of what's happened is like the church for so many years, you basically go to church and you learn 52 ways to be saved every week, salvation message every week, right? But then you don't learn any like practical instruction on how to actually live life and deal with problems like self-control and anger and sadness and worry and everything else.

And the Bible has so much to say about these things. And so anyways, these guys, they started teaching on these subjects and what they wanted to do was develop a counseling philosophy and methodology that was coming from the Bible and leaning on the Bible and not just let the pagans tell us how to care for people's souls essentially.

Ray Comfort, the Law, and the Need for Repentance

It's funny that you mentioned the victim language. We're trained in the victim language. It immediately made me think of, what's his name? Ray Comfort, right? That's his name. And I'm sure you've seen his videos where he goes out and he's witnessing to people.

And one of the main things that he does is he'll ask people, hey, do you think you're a good person? And obviously the answer is always, yeah, I think I'm a pretty good person. And so he challenges them by giving them a pretty simple test and he just reads off a few of the 10 commandments.

Well, he doesn't read them off. He just asks them, hey, have you ever stolen anything? And the answer is always, well, with the stealing one, it's normally yes. Sometimes they say no to that one. But then, hey, have you ever been angry at anyone?

Yes, obviously everyone's been angry at someone. And have you ever looked at someone with lust in your heart? Yes, who hasn't, right? The answer is always yes to those questions. And so he'll ask them, so what do you call a person who steals things?

And they stumble over the answer because they know what the answer is, but then they're not ready to say it for themselves. They're used to thinking other people are thieves when they steal, but then when you're forced to confront your own immoral actions, your own thievery, your own anger, it becomes a lot harder to say, well, I'm a thief, actually.

I'm a liar. I'm a fornicator. All those things. And so it's funny to see how quickly they'll answer the first question, hey, have you ever done this? Have you ever done this? Have you ever done this? But then they're really reluctant to answer the follow-up question, what does that mean in terms of what you are?

It's really funny to see them.

Yeah, well, this is why this is such an important discussion because in order for a person to be saved, you have to first be convinced that you're a sinner. That's the problem. So the Bible says those who are well have no need of a physician, but those who are sick, I didn't come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance, okay?

And then the church really, I mean, you bring up Ray Comfort, you listen to Ray Comfort, but I mean, I can't think of, most people I've ever talked to, most Christians I've ever talked to think that Ray Comfort is fundamentally doing something immoral by starting out like that.

Yeah, I mean, I don't know very many Christians who really think, oh man, that's a good way to evangelize people. Wow, I did not know that. I thought that was a great way. Well, you think that because you've read the Bible before, but look, it's all friendship evangelism, man.

You don't go out there and just, first time you talk to someone, he didn't have the right to be heard, he hadn't earned the right to be heard, he hadn't developed a friendship, he hasn't done life with them, he hasn't done any of that.

And so you just go out there, you use the law as a club. I mean, he's essentially someone that's like, most people I know would consider a Bible basher for sure. But I mean, the thing is, you actually look at the way people actually evangelize in the Bible.

Side note, John the Baptist, Jesus. John the Baptist says, you bird of vipers who warned you to flee from the wrath to come, you didn't just go and have a cup of coffee. But I mean, that sounds a lot more like great comfort.

But here's the thing, if you destroy all these moral categories, here's the problem, you destroy all these moral categories, how are they going to repent? How are they going to see their need for a savior?

Because all you're doing is you're like, I mean, you're like Robin Williams, coming along saying, it's not your fault, it's not your fault, it's not your fault. And that's what it is, that's what you're doing.

And so you talked about anger. I mean, and this is what's so absurd about this whole discussion and people don't realize what's actually happening. Like right now I have my computer open and I just did a simple DuckDuckGo search because Google is the devil, right?

So I just did a simple DuckDuckGo search for anger disorders, okay? So he's asking, hey, have you ever been angry? Well, you know, you commit a murder because Jesus flared my own mouth and all that. All right, look at this.

All right, so while anger itself, first result, while anger itself is not considered a disorder, when an individual becomes unable to control the symptoms of anger or if those symptoms result in dangerous behavior, it may be considered an anger disorder, right?

How does that person repent, right?

How does he repent? I guess take some medication or something, I don't know.

All right, anger disorders, like this is on angermentor .com, anger disorders, symptoms, science, and therapies. One third of adults say they feel angry almost every day. Three quarters feel irritated several times a week.

Some are worried they're suffering from some sort of anger disorder, right? All right, so now look, let's see. All right, so, I mean, there's all sorts of like anger disorders that you can come up with.

A few down, Mayo Clinic, right? Intermittent explosive disorder, symptoms and causes, right? So Intermittent what? Explosive disorder. Explosive disorder. Yeah, symptoms and causes. Road rage. Domestic abuse.

Throwing or breaking objects or other temper tantrums may be signs of intermittent explosive disorders. These intermittent explosive outbursts can cause you significant distress, negatively impact your relationships, work, or school, right?

So, but notice how it's all like, some are worried they're suffering from some sort of anger disorder. How do you repent of anger if you're suffering from an anger disorder? Right. How do you do that, right?

And so like, we're not doing the same thing. That's the problem. We are not talking in the same language. All of these moral categories are being put in the language of disorder, and then you feel like you're a victim suffering from it.

If you feel like you're a victim suffering from some sort of disorder, you are not going to repent of that, right? Right, right. That's the voice of Satan coming alongside saying, hey, hey, did God really say that, right?

Well, he didn't know all that we know today in the 21st century about science, right? Because, you know, if you knew, if you knew about science, then obviously men can be women if they want to, and there's no difference between the two.

But then somehow men are oppressing women even though we don't know the difference between the two. So, you know, it all makes sense because science and all that. But anyways, all right. Yeah, so Ray Comfort.

He's a good one. Go and look him up if you're listening. He'll show you how to witness to people well. He'll show you how to effectively Bible bash, apparently. That's right. Okay, so we've discussed at length about why is psychology so harmful and how should we view psychologists.

Why Psychology Became So Popular

So if it's as harmful as what you're saying, Tim, why has it become so popular? I mean, it's pretty much everywhere. I mean, it's the go-to. I feel like I can go online and people my age, it seems like tons of people I know are constantly saying things like, yeah, I went and I saw my therapist to talk about this issue or I'll be seeing ads more and more talking about, hey, this counseling company that you can reach out to if you're having issues with depression or anxiety or anger or whatever else.

It seems so prevalent in our society. So if it's so harmful, why is it so prevalent?

The whole world lies under the sway of the evil one. All right, close it up. Move on to the next one. No, I mean, look, Satan's basic thing, his basic strategy is to say, it's not your fault, right? I mean, if it's not your fault, you can't repent of it.

You can't turn to the Lord. You can't find forgiveness. So we serve a God where forgiveness is there. It's available. We have an answer to guilt and shame and condemnation and we can turn to the Lord and we can ask forgiveness for things, but you can't get that solution if you're not persuaded that anything's your fault.

I mean, that's essentially, the basic problem in the garden is that Adam looks at Eve. Eve first says, God says, why did you eat of it? And Eve says, well, it's the devil's fault. Devil made me do it, right?

And then Adam says, well, I did it because that woman you gave me, right? So it's the lady's fault, blame it on the lady. And then not only that, blame it on you, God, because you gave her to me. I thought you should have made a better one who wasn't gonna try to get me to do something bad, right?

But I mean, that's the basic thing, right? So I mean, part of it is like, there really is a spiritual battle for people's souls. And if you can persuade people that they're victims, like you take away all moral agency.

Now, I mean, now I think psychology is like, people are starting to become a little bit disillusioned by it. And so psychology was the big thing, the big thing. And it's still like people haven't thought through it.

I wanna give you several answers to the question that you're basically asking, why is it so popular? Well, I mean, because Satan, the first one is basically Satan has a vested interest in taking away moral agency from people, right?

So with psychology, psychology was like, it just held sway for years and years and years in the church because we just handed over problems to psychologists. But then now, I mean, nutrition is kind of, people are tired of becoming drug addicts.

One in five people are drug addicts who are basically taking tranquilizers every day in order to cope with life. And it's not really helping. And there's a lot of side effects to that and they're tired of it.

So a lot of people have turned to nutrition to provide answers to those kinds of things. But then social justice is doing the same exact thing, right? So I mean, like social justice is basically just another mechanism that Satan is using to remove any personal responsibility for people.

So I mean, if you have a crowd of angry people going out looting and rioting, what are they, like, why are they doing that? Whose fault is it? Is it their own fault? Well, no, it's blaming on Whitey or whatever else.

And so like the issue is victimization. Like that's what we're trying to do at almost every single point. Like we're clambering, falling all over ourself, trying to be the biggest victim in the society because if you're a victim, all personal responsibility is removed.

So like as a ploy of the enemy, it's a clever strategy, obviously. And if you have some sort of, you know, pseudoscientific mechanism of basically categorizing all sins as sickness, you can basically never have to repent of anything because you can just go to, you know, a pagan to give you a label to tell you why you don't have to repent of anything.

And there's a label for everything. For every single sin you can think of, there is a label for it. So there's that. But then I think, yeah, so like that's, you know, that's Satan's strategy. The church, you know, ourself, I mean, we have a lot to blame here because we used to think we believed in a Bible that was actually sufficient and clear that we could actually help people understand like what to do with how to handle life with.

But now we're basically, you know, for years and years, it's just like, well, I don't feel qualified to help a girl, you know, who throws up, you know? It's like, I don't feel qualified to do that. One, she needs a girl to help her because she's not going to want to hear anything from a man.

But then two, she needs some sort of psychologist, some sort of pagan to basically help fix her problems because I'm unqualified for it. But then I think, you know, we've basically, as a church, we don't really have a strong view of sanctification at all.