Daniel 2:1-11

The Need to Test Prophecy by Scripture

Lord, we come as your children seeking your word, and we think of Daniel and his friends living in captivity, knowing that you are the sovereign king, you are the king of kings, you're the Lord of lords.

Lord, the question of what is prophecy is so important for us to know, and to be able to perceive and to hear prophecy, to take it into our hearts, but yet to have the wisdom to know what is and is not, we thank you for this teaching today, in Jesus' name, amen.

Amen, as John just prayed, whenever we speak about spiritual gifts, it's just an interesting subject, isn't it? Whether prophecy or miracles, I just recently saw a video from Bethel Church. Bethel's out in California, and they are very much enamored with the spiritual gifts, to the point where you could well say that they're chasing after the gifts more so than chasing after the giver of spiritual gifts.

Well, this was a very untestable video, and frankly, just strains credulity. It was the story of a miracle, and the young man telling the story said he was in a small group, and a woman came in for the first time who had a broken toe.

And so he reached down and prayed over the toe, and he could tell that the bones just reformed themselves. Wow, it sounds pretty fantastical, pretty amazing. But the story goes on that the next week, she came back in with another broken toe.

And so he healed it again. And then he said this happened a third time and a fourth time. Each time, each week, she comes with a broken toe and he heals her. And it gets to the point of saying, do we really believe this testimony?

It doesn't even make sense. Is it reasonable, or is it somebody who wants to believe that the toe was broken? Where's the cast? Where is the X-ray? Where, you begin to say, is this actually testable or credible, or is this somebody that just wants to make them look like they themselves are some super saint with these prophetic or healing powers?

The same thing is true with prophecy. The phenomenon that I've observed over the years with the gift of prophecy, coming from Bethel Church and some others, is the idea that the pastor has a measure of clairvoyance.

He's ministering from the stage, and it will be invariably to a room of many people, or generally it will be the case. And he will begin to call out specific things that he says he knows about people.

And he considers this to be prophetic. This is ministering in the prophetic, the supernatural. Now, what ends up happening is when you have a room of 800 people, or in Bethel's case, thousands, and you say there's a woman named Kathy with back pain.

Okay.

There are probably many women named Kathy, and most people have issues with their back, right? I mean, I've had back issues for years. It goes in and out, and different things that happen. And most people will wake up with a sore back from time to time.

But it being very untestable, they will say, well, God is healing your back. Now, this is always accompanied with almost a hypnotic kind of working up to that moment in the service, a very emotional, musical arrangement with much repetition that gets people in the sense that God is really here, the presence of God.

And rather than focusing on the presence of God, which is always in every believer, the presence becomes something that must be ushered in. And then as people are anticipating that, they're anticipating with the coming of the presence, healings or prophetic words.

And these prophetic words then are generally very vague, or even if they're specific, they're given to a large number of people where many people could fit that bill. And my question for you, and as we dive into the passage today, does this fit with the presentation of prophecy in the Old or New Testament?

Is there an example of clairvoyance to indicate information that could be simply communicated? In other words, if Kathy has back pain, is there anything gained in the prophet so-called saying, there's a woman here named Kathy who has pain on this side, I feel like it's somewhere, the upper shoulder, versus a woman named Kathy who has pain saying, pastor, I have pain right here, can you pray for me?

You see, there's nothing gained by being able to do that, except that if the audience is convinced that the pastor saw that prophetically, he then becomes validated as a man of God. So the prophecy functions not to the gain of the church, but to the building up of the man of God, interestingly.

Now, I'll give you two examples from the New Testament of the prophetic gift as we have it recorded. We'll look at them later. Agabus in Acts 11 and in 21. In the first case, Agabus comes and says, there will be a famine in the land, a severe famine.

And because they believe this was a word from the Lord, even in the New Testament, they began to store up their resources to send help to the Jewish believers who were also soon to be exiled from their own people and therefore suffer want.

And so because of that prophecy, they store up and they meet the need of the believer. Who did it benefit when the prophecy was given?

The people.

The people, it was for the building up of the church. Secondly, Agabus in Acts 21 will come and tell Paul, you are going to be handed over by the Jews who will bind you and give you over to the Romans.

And so everybody began to hear that word and dissuade Paul from going up to Jerusalem. But Paul said, no, I'm not only willing to be bound, I'm willing to die. But what this did for Paul is it fortified him mentally, prepared him for the suffering that was about to happen.

And that's why it was necessary for Paul's sake. It wasn't actually to dissuade him, it was to show him ahead of time and that he would be grounded in his resolve to go suffer for Christ. It was for the good of the church.

And again, in this case, for Paul specifically. And then the church to see that God was in this in the binding of Paul, ultimately for him to appeal and then go to Rome as was his plan all along. Prophecy serves the church, not the individual.

What you see in the charismatic movement today is not the same kind of prophecy, if it's prophecy at all, which I doubt in many cases that it is. It's not for us to say that every expression of prophecy in the charismatic world is false.

I think that would be overstating on our part. Because maybe God still does things in certain ways that are similar to what we see in the Bible. But when you can look at something and test it by the scriptures, we are to be good Bereans.

And in those particular cases, I think we can say, you know what, what I see happening in Bethel does not look biblical to me. And I would not want my child to go to college at the School of Supernatural Ministry.

I would say, no, this is not of God. Does it make sense? So we must be discerning, we must be Bereans. And it doesn't mean that we have to make the blanket statements as if we have, you know, a corner on truth, but we are to discern based on scripture, right?

Does that make sense? All right, let's read. In Daniel chapter two, we have a prophetic gift that we will see Daniel walk in. But you also have false prophets. And these false prophets have been running their game for some time.

But what's very interesting is that Nebuchadnezzar, who ultimately will confess the Lordship of God, of Yahweh, must be broken free of the stronghold of the false prophecy of those he had been listening to for years.

And in verses one to 11, you see him breaking free. And what we can glean from that is the kind of test that we need to employ against a prophet, someone who claims to be speaking for God. How do you test prophecies?

And I'll say that when people make prophetic statements, they need to be testable, they need to be falsifiable. They can't just be Nostradamus-style vagaries that you can't even understand the language that someone could later look back and say, oh, I can see how that fits with the falling of the Twin Towers.

The Twin Towers in New York. That's not testable, it's just vague language that you later try to make fit. It has to be clear, precise, and testable. And with that, falsifiable. Falsifiability is the ability to prove something false one way or the other.

It doesn't mean that it is false, it just means that it can be shown to be false at some point in time when the evidence is considered. And that's what, that's the light bulb that goes off in Nebuchadnezzar's mind.

So John, would you mind reading for us in Daniel 2, 1 to 11, and then we'll break it down?

In the second year of the reign of Nebuchadnezzar, Nebuchadnezzar had dreams. His spirit was troubled and asleep left him. Then the king commanded that the magicians, the enchanters, the sorcerers, and the Chaldeans be summoned to tell the king his dreams.

So they came in and stood before the king and the king said to them, I had a dream and my spirit is troubled to know the dream. Then the Chaldeans said to the king in Aramaic, oh king, live forever. Tell your servants the dream and we will show you the interpretation.

The king answered and said to the Chaldeans, the word from me is that is firm. If you do not make known to me the dream and its interpretation, you shall be torn limb from limb and your houses shall be laid in ruins.

But if you show the dream and its interpretation, you will receive from me gifts and rewards and great honor. Therefore, show me the dream and its interpretation. They answered a second time and said, let the king tell his servants the dream and we will show you its interpretation.

King answered and said, I know with certainty that you are trying to gain time because you see that the word from me is firm. If you do not make known the dream, if you do not make the dream known to me, there is but one sentence for you.

You have agreed to speak lying and corrupt words before me till the times change. Therefore, tell me the dream and I shall know that you can show me its interpretation. The Chaldeans answered the king and said, there is not a man on earth who can meet the king's demand for no great and powerful king has asked such a thing of any magician or enchanter or Chaldean.

The thing that the king asks is difficult and no one can show it to the king except the gods whose dwelling is not with flesh.

Isn't that an interesting interchange? You can just kind of see that the light bulb is going off in Nebuchadnezzar's mind. The jig is up. He knows what's been happening. These guys have been just telling him whatever their fanciful minds were making up.

And he's realizing that what they've been saying isn't even falsifiable. They can sit together as enchanters with their potions and come back and say, oh king, in 100 years, the kingdom shall triumph over the Babylon, I mean over the Persians or whatever because now this is Babylon, later the Persians will conquer.

But they can look out the times and kind of read the newspaper and say something which the king cannot test. And they'll be long gone before that supposed thing comes to pass. It's untestable and he's getting frustrated.

He's very troubled by his dream because in fact, God has put that dream on him.

And with it, the weight of it.

He just knows there's something spiritual about this. He just doesn't know what it is. And he's not gonna let these Chaldeans with their potions and their conferences to come up with some meaning. He's not gonna let them pull the wool over his eyes again.

So he comes up with this. Let's look at verses one to four. There's never a shortage of false prophets that claim to speak for God. In the second year of the reign of Nebuchadnezzar, Nebuchadnezzar had dreams.

His spirit was troubled and his sleep left him. He just knew something about this particular dream was not like eating a bad taco and going to bed. I should never have had that salsa right before bedtime, right?

Burger pizza.

Yeah.

He knew that he was troubled in his spirit. Deep down, he knew that God was showing him something he needed to pay attention to. Then the king commanded that the magicians, the enchanters, the sorcerers, and the Chaldeans be summoned to tell the king his dreams.

So he's not yet broken from his pagan idolatry. What does the word of God say about sorcerers? In Deuteronomy, if anybody contacts the dead or engages in sorcery, they are to be executed. This is a sin with a high hand.

It's against the God of Israel. It is toevah. It's the highest blasphemy. You cannot consult the dead. You cannot conjure potions. You cannot read the stars. It's astrology. You cannot do these things because it is associated with demons.

It's against Yahweh. But the king is still calling them. So what does that say about him? He's been into this stuff. This has been his thing. Like he's been consulting these sorcerers and enchanters and magicians.

And they come and they stand before the king. The king said to them, I had a dream and my spirit is troubled to know the dream. Now imagine these sorcerers at this moment. They've got their crystal balls and they know their craft.

They are at this point excited to be called before the king because this is what they're good at, looking spiritual, looking like they have that special edge that sets them above all the people. They have contact with the supernatural world, whereas the ordinary people live here, right?

And the king has called them in. Verse four, then the Chaldeans said to the king in Aramaic, oh king, live forever. Don't they look like good guys in the story? Oh, oh king, they're so respectful. Live forever.

They're smooth.

Tell your servants the dream. And we will show the interpretation. Now, there's no shortage of men like this in the Old Testament. In pagan Babylon, you would expect it. But what about in the United States of America?

A Christian nation founded that way. 10 of the 13 colonies had Christian church denominations in their charter. No longer. Those were all written out by the 1830s.

And we've moved away.

And of course, as the church has drifted, more and more false prophets have come. Would somebody turn for me to 2 Peter 2 .1, or you can read those, read that in the notes.

Jeff, is there a distinction between the Chaldeans.

And the enchanters, magicians, and sorcerers?

It seems to be part of the same list. It might have, each one probably has a special function. You know, they're known as a different group. But Chaldean just means Babylonian. So it's a kind of, it's one of their people that are involved in this.

Mine says astrologers.

Astrologers, okay. It could be a textual difference there. Sandy, would you mind reading 2 Peter 2 .1?

But false prophets also arose among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you, who will secretly bring in destructive heresies, even denying the master who brought them, bringing upon themselves swift destruction.

Okay, let me give you an obvious example of this. A man named David Koresh, calling himself a prophet, hearing direct words from God, he says, leads a number of people into his cult. And there are allegations that he's sexually abusing them, which I think the evidence points to be the case.

And young children. Well, the government catches wind of this and descends upon the compound. There's fire exchange to open fire until finally the entire compound is overrun. I think maybe six or seven of them survive.

And it is a horrible tragedy. Obvious false prophet, probably a case of government overreach as well. The government rolling in with tanks and a lot of innocent, well, not innocent, well, of the people that were killed.

Innocent lives. David Koresh, not innocent, but how many of the kids growing up there, right?

Deceived people.

Deceived people by the prophet. How much damage can a false prophet do? Well, there's a picture of it in smoke, right? But you look at Bethel Church in California. And you say, well, okay, if someone prophesies that Aunt Sue has a bad shoulder that God's gonna heal, at least she feels loved, that they care for her and they pray over her shoulder.

What harmful thing is coming from Bethel Church? Yeah, but he's only prophesying good things. Oh, truth matters so much to you. Amen, brother, with a capital T. It matters because it's true. Now, here's the thing.

What seems to be harmless is a destructive heresy that introduces greater and greater error.

How many of you all know.

That Brian Simmons is one of their prophets there? And Brian Simmons created his own translation of the Bible called the Passion Translation, in which rather than scholarly work showing the meaning of the Greek word as it was given, he himself is the only person doing the work.

Rather than the Lachman Foundation translating the NASB, where the greatest scholars in the world come together to collaborate to make sure every word matters. No, but by Brian Simmons' gift of prophecy, he brings forth the translation, the TPT, that he regards as being a faithful translation of the word of God.

Now, do you see how destructive it gets? A lot of people will be led astray by false translation of God's holy word. Truth matters. It's worse than that. Brian Simmons has now prophesied that he has the 22nd chapter of the book of John.

Oh, man.

Sounding a lot like Joseph Smith to me. Do you see how deep the rabbit trail starts to go? And so, 2 Peter 2, verse one, when it says, false prophets also rose among the people just as there will be false teachers among you.

Do they look, do they wear wolf clothes? Or sheep clothes? Sheep clothes. Who will secretly bring in, who will secretly bring in destructive heresies, even denying the master who bought them, bringing upon themselves swift destruction?

So this, what we see in Daniel chapters two to one, chapter two, verses one to four, is not just from ancient Babylon, it's with us to this day. False prophets will abound. And as the last days approach, we'll see more and more of them.

Matthew 24, many coming in Christ's name even, or some of them claiming eventually to be the Messiah, as David Koresh did. All right, let's look at verses five to six. I love that God is already beginning to work in Nebuchadnezzar, that he would not just accept the prophetic gifting of these men that for so long he's trusted.

Says in verse five, the king answered and said to the Chaldeans, the word is firm from me. I mean, there's a resolve in that. Something just clicked in his brain. He's been listening to these guys for so long, and now he says, he just stops.

The word is firm for me. He makes up his mind. If you do not make known to me the dream and its interpretation, you shall be torn limb from limb, and your house is laid in ruins. Something snapped. That is not just the way he talks to his friends.

He turned from a friend to the man who's threatening to tear them limb from limb. What happened in Nebuchadnezzar there? What do you suppose? Yeah, that's what it is. Yeah, something clicked in him where he realized, these guys are frauds.

He doesn't believe them.

I can't believe them. Well, here's the thing. Testability and objectivity are elements of, what's your word?

Truth, truth.

That's important. Words have to correspond to reality as it is. This is what we call in philosophy the correspondence view of truth. Truth is not subjective. Words are not to just be malleable to whatever the individual wants them to mean.

Truth is the correspondence of words to a reality as it is. And if there's a reality as it is, it can be testable. It's objective. It's not just this subjective feeling. It's something objective. Are we to just take what someone says.

In the name of the Lord?

Rick, could you turn to 1 Corinthians 14, 29? 23?

Oh, 29, you're right.

Yeah, that's it, yeah, 29. Rick, or you could look up the next one. 1 Corinthians 14, 29.

Let two or three prophets speak and let the others weigh what they say.

So should we just take a quote-unquote prophecy for what the person says, or do we have a responsibility to test? The word weigh means test, right? Now, there's debate between what is even meant by prophecy here.

I'll say it's not just clairvoyance where somebody claims to just know something random in order to validate himself. In the case of Agabus, let's look at those two examples, and I think that can clearly be an example of New Testament prophecy.

Turn and Bob, could you get Acts 11, 27 to 30? And then Sue, could you be 21, 10 to 12? These are two New Testament prophecies.

That are given by Agabus.

The prophets and the apostles form the foundation of the church, according to Ephesians 2, 20. What that prophetic gift looks like going forward, as we see in 1 Corinthians 14, 29, and in 1 Thessalonians 5, where it says, do not despise prophecies, but test the prophet.

Hold on to what is good and abstain from every form of evil. There is a testing requirement, which means that what's being said has to be testable. All right, so Bob, could you read this prophecy from Acts 11, 27 to 30?

Take your time.

Acts 11, 27 to 30, a prophecy from a man named Agabus.

During this time, some prophets came down from Jerusalem to Antioch. One of them, named Agabus, stood up and through the spirit predicted that a severe famine would spread over the entire Roman world.

This happened during the reign of Clarus. The disciples, each according to his ability, decided to provide help for the brothers living in Judea. This they did, sending their gift to the elders by Barnabas and Saul.

All right, in that prophecy, it's objective and it's testable. There will be a famine, and this he's referring to soon. Start taking the offering of the collection now, get ready, it's coming, and then send it.

If they do this and no famine comes, why did you say that? You're a false prophet. You're here telling us that you're speaking for God,.

But it didn't happen.

Right, testable and objective.

I'm not pointing at you.

I'm saying, if Agabus's prophecy didn't come true, then he's a false prophet. And it did, right then, and it was purposeful for the protection of the church. It would provide for those who would have likely starved to death in that situation.

Sue, a second time, he appears. We have no reason to think this is a different Agabus because Luke's telling the story, and he relates Agabus as the only appearing prophet twice in the text. Probably the same one, although we can't prove that.

Sue, yeah.

21, 10 to 12. This is the second appearance of Agabus. Acts 21, verses 10 to 12.

A prophet named Agabus came down from Judea. When he had come to us, he took Paul's belt, bound his own hands and feet, and said, thus says the Holy Spirit, so shall the Jews in Jerusalem bind the man who owns this belt and deliver him into the hands of these Gentiles.

Very good.

It's objective, and it's testable.

You're going down to Jerusalem.

Here's what's gonna happen when you get there. The Jews are gonna bind you and hand you over. Now, interestingly, Wayne Grudem has a whole section in his systematic theology about whether or not this was exactly and precisely the case because as it turned out, the Jews tried to kill him, and the Romans were the ones who came and bound him and then took him on trial.

So there's a slight discrepancy there that maybe the text is communicating that, and maybe it's not. So you can read MacArthur and Grudem back and forth on that point. The point, though, is, in the case of Daniel here, he's giving a statement about the future which is testable and objective.

These things are gonna happen, and more than that, it's got a purpose. And what was the purpose, as we said earlier?

Who did that benefit?

Did it validate Agabus the man? No, it prepared Paul, and it was for the good of the church. So we move on to chapter two, verse seven, and notice now the tactics of a false prophet. False prophets have to control the narrative and the parameters, the definitions, and the rules of their game.

It's the nature of a charade, right? If the magician doesn't have his setup on the stage and his rules to do his trick, then it won't function. It's why the faith healer spends so much time on stage with a mass of people where he can call out and say, somebody just was healed of Crohn's disease, and someone with Crohn's disease says, I'm healed, and comes running forward and testifies I'm healed and jumps on the stage, and everybody says, he's healed of Crohn's disease, until tomorrow.

Because anybody can say that while he's controlling the rules of the game, but he's not so good at going to the children's hospital in Philadelphia where the patient with Crohn's disease is, and in the waiting room saying, the Lord Jesus Christ heals you, and then he goes in to be tested and finds there's no more Crohn's disease.

That's where the faith healer should spend his time,.

In my opinion.

But you have to control the rules of your game if you're a false prophet. And look what happens in verse seven. They answered a second time and said, let the king tell us his servants the dream.

What are they trying to do?

Control the rules of the game. Under these new rules, they're impotent. They can't tell him what he dreamed. He objectively knows. He has that etched in his mind, and it's troubling his spirit. He knows if he tells them the dream, they'll make something up, and he's figured that out.

So he's saying, I will not tell you what I dreamed. If you're such an enchanter, if you have this direct line with God, you tell me what I dreamt, and then I'll trust your interpretation. Isn't that amazing?

They're still trying to control the rules of the game because it's fake. They can't do it under these parameters. Verses eight and nine, false prophets are expert dissemblers. They're good with language.

Dissembling, but when their mask comes off, the disillusion will hold them in disdain. How many people have gone to the faith healer and got all excited and worked up and heard the word of prophecy and later hold them in disdain?

Meanwhile, the masses go on thinking some great healing has happened, some great prophecy was given, and yet in the wreckage, there's a body count behind the bus. Eight and nine, the king answered and said, I know with certainty that you're just trying to gain time.

He's got them figured out because you see that the word from me is firm. If you do not make the dream known to me, there's but one sentence for you. You've agreed to speak lying and corrupt words before me till the times change.

Therefore, tell me the dream, and I will know that you can show me the interpretation. Now, the final part of this lesson is that these false prophets, down deep at least, they know that they're false.

They kind of know what they need to know, but they don't believe that there's anything true. And the transition here is from the false prophecies of these false prophets to the introduction of Daniel, who's gonna come in and bring true prophecy.

So let's look at verse 10 and 11. False prophets assume there are actually no true prophets. The Chaldeans answered the king and said, there's not a man on earth who can meet the king's demand, for no great and powerful king has asked such a thing of any magician.

They're still buttering him up, expert dissemblers. No great and powerful, all the ones before you have never asked something like this. It's totally unreasonable. Verse 11, the thing that the king asks is difficult, and no one, and I love this because it's just setting up to show the contrast between false prophecy and genuine prophecy, which is focused on Jesus.

It's for the sake of the name that is above every name.

And what they're doing.

They say, listen now, no one can show it to the king except the gods whose dwelling is not with flesh. Yeah, and I missed the mark there on your notes. Verse 12 is actually where next week begins. We'll pick up there.

I think I'm teaching next week again. Okay, I'll pick up there next week in verse 12. But notice here through 11, the real prophecy involves God actually being near, even in the flesh. That's the contrast.

In verse 11, what do they say? Well, I mean, you'd have to hear from God to know that. Isn't that the point of what you say you do? Only the gods could tell us this, like what you dreamed.

That was their first real prophecy.

Yeah, right, and that's the point.

Yes, that's their first real prophecy.

I love that, John.

And they say whose dwelling is not with flesh. What's the spirit of genuine prophecy? The testimony of Jesus Christ, God in flesh. That's their first real prophecy, John. Well said. There is a God who draws near.

He's gonna draw near to Daniel and Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego. He is the true God of Israel. He will be with Daniel in the lion's den. He will be the fourth man in the fiery furnace with men. And ultimately, Jesus is God in flesh.

Ironically, these false prophets say, well, the gods, their dwelling is not with flesh. How much more is the true God able to come in flesh, in the person of Jesus Christ? And that is what genuine prophecy is all about.

Revelation 19 .10, then I fell down at his feet to worship him. Speaking of an angel, but the angel said to John, you must not do that. Church, there is a humility that needs to characterize those who walk on holy ground.

Not to assume for oneself a spiritual status.

Above what God has given.

And false prophets are quick to say they speak for God, but they are walking on holy ground. Prophecy is not something flippant. What is prophecy? He says, I am a fellow servant with you and your brothers who hold to the testimony of Jesus.

Worship God, for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy. What we're going to see beginning next week is genuine prophecy, where God speaks through a man. And in this case, it's going to be Daniel, a genuine prophet.

He will give the king a picture of what's coming in the future. Who but God knows what's coming in the future. Genuine prophets get that from God. They walk on holy ground to speak for God. And in the church, too many people claim a gift of prophecy, claiming to speak for God when they're doing no such thing.

It's a very dangerous path that people go down. The real prophecy is what testifies of Christ. It's for the glory of Jesus. It's for the good of his bride, the church. It is not for the building up of a man that you would fall down at his feet and worship him.

But I think that's what happens in these faith healing episodes. It's always exalting the man. And the glory does not, in that case, go to Jesus Christ. You will find people running all over this country to get a word from God.

They'll go to the prophet, quote unquote prophet, to hear from God. When all along, here's your word from God. This is what you need, the word of God. This is the highest authority. And anything that a man says, pales in comparison to what God says.

Bye.

I think the thing I appreciated about Billy Graham was he was constantly saying, the Bible says.

Yep, that was the power of his preaching. In any place where he may have erred in his older years, the power of his preaching when people did come to Christ was by the word. It was the testimony of Jesus.

That was prophetic in that sense of preaching the word. I think John MacArthur, a cessationist, speaks prophetically in the sense that it means here, to give the testimony of Jesus, to unpack God's holy word.

Spurgeon would talk about many prophetic instances in his preaching that are beyond our understanding, very specific things that brought conviction of sin and people unto repentance, that they would get saved.

I'm open to that. I think that that is something that we should even eagerly pursue. When we're teaching, we want to speak words that are taught by the Holy Spirit. It's not my job as an expositor of the word to open Daniel chapter two and read verses one to 11 20 times.