Social Justice and the Leftist Agenda

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Well, welcome to another edition of The Rap Report. I'm your host, Andrew Rappaport, and today we are going to be talking about exactly what the doctor ordered, and that is going to be

Prescribed Truth with Jamal Bandi. He is currently, as we record this, the newest podcaster on the

Christian podcast community. I say the newest, but Jamal, I got news for you. I don't think you're holding that title for very long because there's about six podcasts right behind you that are looking to get into the community, and I think you're going lose the title as newest podcaster very soon.

So welcome to The Rap Report. Hey, thank you, Andrew, for having me on. It's good to be here.

And look, we need to milk that newest one as long as we can. So you've been out, you've been doing podcasting for a while.

You've actually been doing it on YouTube that you then turn into a podcast. Correct, yeah.

I started off on YouTube with Prescribed Truth. We're doing mostly short form content.

I moved into doing podcasting, just mostly on video, and then eventually moved to doing audio.

And so we're going to talk about your podcast. I want to talk about the name, Prescribed Truth, how we got that.

But first, I want you to just introduce yourself to my audience because some folks may not know who you are.

Some folks may not have watched your Woke video. We'll have to get to that too. I shouldn't give inside jokes without explaining them, but we will get to that later, because that was very funny.

But let's first talk about you, your background, where you came from, because I know folks who may have heard you on the 5

Solas podcast, they heard your background a bit. You have a very interesting background, so we won't have time to go into as much as James and you went into, so people should go check that out.

But give a little bit about your background, the church that you were in and had left and why.

All right. So I started off going to a mostly Pentecostal charismatic type church.

It was back in 2009, and it turned out to be a cult. And I say it turned out to be because I believe the pastor probably had good intentions in the beginning, but got caught up with greed.

He's very manipulative in how he led his flock. We was all young and we didn't know the Bible. We didn't read, we didn't study.

There was no gospel preaching and none of that kind of good stuff. And so it just got really bad. I'm not going into a long detail story on it, but eventually he passed away and that's what caused the church to split.

And at that time we were all lost. We saw him as our spiritual head. Without him, we didn't have any guidance.

And so a lot of us, as far as the church split, most people went back to the world, as we would say, or just went to other false churches.

The God by his grace, I began to question Christianity, but the

Lord dealt with me. I believe it was the Lord. I didn't hear the gospel, but I do believe it was the Lord that was guiding me at that time.

The Bible didn't come by that pastor. So I just felt compelled to just study the word, just to read and see what was actually in the word versus what he was teaching.

And I began to see a lot of things that was wrong. And that's what brought that. And other than that, it was just the trajectory that the Lord just had me on and just bring me to the truth.

And it was in 2013 when I finally would hear the gospel and the Lord would save me. So as you said, my name is

Jamal Bandy, of course. I'm married. I have two children, a six -year -old, and I'll be a two -year -old in September.

Yeah, so yes, we are. So ever since then, just striving for the truth. Darrell Bock Versus striving for eternity.

Wait, that's a different ministry. Jamal Bandy Striving for the truth, heading towards eternity.

There you go. Combination. So I had someone that actually, we were talking about your podcast, and it was

Dwayne Atkinson from The Bar Podcast. I know you know who he is. And it was really funny because what ended up happening was he and I were talking and I was explaining your podcast and he's like, wait, is that the one with the pill on it?

The logo with the pill? And I was like, yeah. And I guess that your logo must stand out for folks that they remember that because you have a pill and it has on there

Ephesians 425, which says, therefore, having put away falsehood, let each of you speak the truth with his neighbor, for we are members of one another.

So it's kind of for folks to understand why you may have come up with this. Here, your background kind of explains a bit with the leaving the church you part of.

And I love the way you guys you do it with the you know, this is what the doctor prescribes the truth.

So. So let's let's talk about your podcast a bit.

Why did you get into this? I know it had to do with some of your background, but why start this and why prescribed truth?

OK, so the initial start. So in the midst when I was in a cult and I mentioned a pastor passed away, but when he passed, a close friend of my past, a couple of my close friends passed away as well, along with the church.

So and he was one of the people that I brought along with me to that church. And so it was just from from that experience and just after coming to the truth of the gospel and understanding that apart from Christ, there is no salvation apart from trust and belief in Christ alone.

There is no salvation. And we was heavily works based. We believe in all righteousness. And so from there,

I was just like, man, I really I know there are other churches who are suffering like this. There are other there are other people in churches who are under leadership that are manipulative and, you know, teaching and teaching falsely and on purpose.

You know, I do give I try to give some leniency to people who are, you know, who are generally teaching what they believe is truth.

They're just misled, you know. But there are those who are very manipulative. They know what they're doing.

And I wanted to be able to just go through the scripture and share that truth to people to try to help them come out of that and not and not let it be something that's traumatic to happen, to have them leave the church like what happened to me.

And so that's what made me want to start doing it. As far as the title and getting to prescribe truth, it was a while back in another church

I was at where we was hosting this kind of like this this cafe type deal.

And the guy called the gospel, you know, like he had a he called he wanted to call the cafe the pharmacy.

And so like people come with a seat to come to get some medicine. And and I remember making a flyer for it.

And I call it the gospel. Come get the gospel. And that's maybe I thought about that years later.

I was like, you know what? I remember that. I said, but I want to call this a pharmacy. I said, but but, you know, like, but this what this is, like, you know, there's errors.

People are sick with errors, you know, and the Bible concerning us tells us that we are sick, our heart is sick, you know, and but our only doctor is

God. Like, like, like, he's our God. So I was like, well, I want to be able to prescribe I want to I want to be able to distribute this truth that a doctor prescribes, you know, and so that's kind of how that carried on.

Ephesians 425 was like, my go to patches. They encouraged me as far as speaking truth, even when it's tough.

Well, you know, let's I want to talk about some of the issues, some issues you talk about on your show.

But first, let's, let's play a commercial for a new podcast.

Ephesians chapter four, verse 25. Therefore, laying aside falsehood, speak truth, each one of you with his neighbor, for we are members of one another for his namesake.

What's up, everybody? I'm Jamal Bandy, the host of the prescribed truth podcast, where I seek to distribute the truth that the doctor prescribes to the church and the world today.

The Lord graciously brought me out of a cold in 2010, saved me in 2013.

And in 2017, prescribed truth began. My mission has been to spread the truth of God's word while refuting dangerous lies affecting most churches and the culture at large from a biblical and reformed perspective.

Join me on Sundays at 6pm Eastern time for the live recording of the podcast on YouTube and download the audio version wherever podcast can be found, including the

Christian podcast community. If you would like to know more about prescribed truth, please visit my website at prescribed truth dot com.

And remember, this world is full of errors. But the only thing that the doctor prescribes is truth.

Blessings. I like that. The only thing that doctor prescribes is truth.

I love that. So, let's talk, recently you've been talking about forgiveness. And I want to start with that one and then move on to some other topics that you've been discussing because I think you and I are going to have a lot of fun with some of those later topics.

But you've been dealing with forgiveness. And you actually did like three or four episodes on really working through on your own.

Do we forgive someone who is unrepentant? And it was, for me as a listener,

I'll give you my view as a listener. It was neat because I get to see week after week as you were dealing with it.

You're going and you're talking with your pastor, you're talking to some other guys, you're doing more study. And each week, it's like, okay,

I did a little bit more study. Here's where I'm at. Okay, I do a little bit more study. Here's where I'm at. And so, your podcast wasn't, and you had said it wasn't one that, hey, this is where I got all my notes,

I'm all polished. That was a topic you kind of did something and you were, let me keep working through this.

And people interacting with you, you dealt with your listeners and reacted with them. And I thought that was good because it gets, for me as a listener, to see your thinking process, see how you're working through an issue.

Although I might disagree on your conclusion, but we can talk about that. So, you dealt with,

I mean, because it was an interesting topic. It's one that I don't often deal with much is the question,

I deal a lot with church discipline and the issue of forgiveness and reconciliation. And you were asking, do we, basically, do we forgive someone who is unrepentant?

Not just someone who comes and asks forgiveness and you dealt with that. They ask forgiveness, you say yes, and you forgive.

Right. And this was new for me.

I mentioned on my podcast, I initially heard this from a podcast called Stop and Think About It.

And I'll just listen to you guys. Steve, he's like, we've talked before this podcast that I heard the podcast.

And so, I kind of know him a little bit. This is the first time

I've heard this concept, because I was under the impression as well. I know we talked about a little bit before we started that, hey, we're called to forgive.

We're just called to forgive. And even then, I still had a misunderstanding, or even if we're talking now, like thinking about reconciliation, like, hey, well,

I'm forgiving you. I'm letting it go. So, no need to hold it over you. Just let it be.

And so, I listened to the podcast, and I heard it, and it kind of threw me off. And I'm like, well, let me check this out. So, I really do appreciate the fact that the listeners was really gracious towards me as I worked through this.

I try to keep that honest with prescribed truth. It's like, I don't claim to know everything. I'm working through truth.

I come from falsehoods, and by God's grace, I'm headed to truth. I mean, I've heard it to the truth of the gospel, and everything after that continued to grow.

And that's what I love about the ministry that I have. It's like, I'm growing, and people see that. So, I don't mind being corrected with anything.

I don't mind when people disagree or chopping it up with me about things, because I'm open to correction.

But the process of this was, I think this was the most challenging topic that I've done on prescribed truth that had me really just go to my, even had to go to my elders, like, hey, what do you say about this?

You know? Yeah, and you mentioned the Stop and Think podcast. I don't know

Steve, although we've talked a little bit online, but I know one of the hosts very well, which is

Phil Sessa. So, knowing Phil's on there means I'm going to basically trust that podcast. Phil's a really good, solid brother.

I've known him for years. He and I have done a lot of street ministry in New York.

So, that, you know, I don't know which episode it was that you interacted with, but you went through that, and I think, you know, each week we're getting to see you flesh this out more.

Now, for me, I think the, I guess the distinction I was making with you before we started recording was that there's a difference between forgiveness and reconciliation.

Now, I think as believers, we are to forgive everybody, even if they're unrepentant, even if they're dead, we need to be forgiving.

I mean, there's people who I have forgiven that never even came to me and admitted that, you know, the wrong that they did, they won't admit to the wrong.

So, they're unrepentant. But there was still a need on my part to seek to forgive them in my own heart.

So, when I see them, I'm not bitter toward them at all. And that's the thing. If you don't forgive, you're going to be bitter.

That's what unforgiveness leads to is bitterness. So, I forgive people, but it doesn't mean

I restore relationships. You know, if they're unrepentant, then the relationship can't be restored.

And that's where I would see a distinction between the forgiveness, I think we do, as Christians, the restoration of that relationship and that full reconciliation, that can't happen without repentance.

And so, it may be you forgive someone, but you just, you're not going to have that relationship with them until there's reconciliation.

And I think that's where I was like, my confusion with that is like, even as I was working through this ahead of time, it was like, okay, what does it entail when we forgive someone?

So, is forgiveness basically for my sake, as far as, you know, my heart being at peace, or is it other centered?

You know, and then, because if the reconciliation isn't there, then obviously there's still a disconnect between me and the individual that's wrong with me.

But I'm basically forgiving them for my own peace. Yeah. And forgiving for your own peace is an important thing, you know, because you don't want to grow, you don't want to have bitterness in your own heart.

You don't want to allow that to fester in any way, because, man,

I've done enough counseling to know that there's people who, they're just unwilling to forgive, and boy, do they pay the price of that, you know?

And so - And I wrestle with that. I'm sorry, I didn't mean to cut you off.

I wrestle with that a lot, with that, because even when me and Steve had talked about it more,

I was thinking about, like, how does this play out in counseling, like when you're dealing with married couples, right? When the spouse may have wronged them, and, you know, how do they go about reconciling and dealing with things, and especially when a person is full of pride, arrogance, you know, when they're unrepentant, and all those things, and just, you know, because we think about normal relationships, but when you're bringing it to the home, like, there's no walking away for that, you know?

Like, you know, like, we have to deal with these things. And so, when it came to the bitterness part, that was part that really stuck out to me, is like, okay, man, like, how do we get past this?

And there's, you know, this bitterness can come up this, because the Bible is clear, the Bible is clear in telling us that we should not be bitter towards others, you know, we shouldn't harbor bitterness towards others.

But then I think about and I wrestled with this, I think it was on the second part, was when the

Bible tells us that we shouldn't take, we shouldn't take vengeance upon ourselves, that vengeance is the Lord's, and he shall repay.

So, wouldn't it be a level of trust in that point, like, even if a person is unrepentant, and if I am unforgiving, in that sense, because they're unrepentant, the lack of, could it be that a person had put their trust in God to do his part, you know, do what he's going to do, trusting in him as far as his sovereignty, you know, because the

Bible tells us the hearts of kings are in his hands, and he turns whatever way he pleases. So, like, leaving it to God, and therefore not allow myself to be bitter, like, could that be a possibility, or is that just kind of, you know, that's thrown out?

Well, I think my own heart, I should be, if I'm, if I know of something, because there's times where I've had people come,

I had this just even recently, where someone came and asked me for forgiveness for something I didn't even know happened, and so they're holding a grudge because I'm not behaving a certain way, because they assumed

I knew something, and I didn't know, and they got upset with me over it, and I didn't know anything about it.

So, you have that sometimes with folks, and this is the thing, me as a believer, I need to be a forgiving person.

Even though they may do wrong, I always use this as an example. You have someone who, you have babysit your kids, and you come home, kids, place is a mess, the kids are just doing whatever they want, and the babysitters are just sitting there watching

TV. Now, you may forgive the babysitter, but you're never going to have them babysit again, right?

So, there's a consequence that comes with it. Now, if the person's like, well, I didn't do any wrong, you try to explain the wrong, and say, well, okay, and that's it.

Now, there could be that they didn't realize they were wrong, and they're really repentant, and you might say, okay, I'll give you a second chance, because now you reconciled that relationship.

But like you're saying, in the home with family, yeah, it's going to be a little bit touchier, because you have someone that's done wrong, and I've had relationships, not within family, but, well, within my extended family,

I've had some strained relationships, but not because of sin, it's because I became a

Christian. But even with that, I could say, you know, my family gets together. There's kind of like these unspoken limits of what we can and can't talk about, without things getting really bad, and so, there are things that you're going to have where it's just, okay, if there's no repentance, then there is a break of that relationship.

It can't be fully restored until there is repentance. And I'll say this for folks, when we talk about reconciliation, when someone comes to me and says, if I offended you, you know, forgive me, that's not repentance.

Like, if there's something they did wrong, it could be that they're asking forgiveness because they didn't know they offended you, they don't really think it's wrong, it's not really, it may not be a sinful thing, but, you know, look, we don't want to offend people, and okay, then for that reason, forgive me.

That's one thing, but the other thing that we look at is the fact that there's people who will say it like that because they want to avoid actually admitting to what they've done wrong.

That's totally different. So, that would be the thing I'd end up looking at those and say, okay, we have a different way of looking at this then.

And so, I want to look more into, because when you brought it up, let me think about it, I want to look more into the distinction of reconciliation and repentance,

I mean, I'm sorry, and forgiveness, and how they relate, and how they know, and how that distinction is made in the divide.

And that's my initial thing, I'm just thinking, man, if I forgive someone, how can

I forgive without reconciliation? And I hear what you're saying there, and I hear it, but it's like,

I really want to look more into it. And that's why I said in my shows, with this subject, I'm not as dogmatic on it.

Podcasts I heard, it was pretty set in their way. It was like, hey, these are cliches. I can't remember the exact title of that podcast, but it's about Christian cliches.

Oh, okay, I know, yeah. I didn't listen to that one yet. It was the first one of the two. They did a two -part, and it was the first one of the two, and that was one of the ones, so they didn't spend much time on it, but that was one of the ones they talked about.

And when I went to my elders about it, it was more or less like, centered around the gospel. It was like, okay, because of the example of Christ, when we, and I don't know if I heard this,

I'm trying to think if I heard this, was it Matt? I was trying to hear Matt Slick talk about it in another podcast we talked about, as far as our reconciliation with God.

It's like, it's done, atonement has happened, right? But that transaction didn't take place.

I'm paraphrasing, but it's like, when I heard basically that transaction didn't take place until we repented.

Our hearts were changed, but that's when that transactional relationship happened. So, I was looking at it from that perspective.

And one of the things, I mean, as you look at it, I mean, my perspective is that maybe I'm being just a little bit more precise with it, is there's a distinction between reconciliation and restoration of relationships and that forgiveness.

I felt a lot of what you were, on your podcast, dealing with was really the restoration of a relationship, more than you were actually addressing the real issue,

I think, of, you know, you're bringing up forgiveness when you're really addressing the real issue of reconciliation.

So, I'm trying to think about it. But it was good as far as someone who was sitting in and being able to watch you process it.

And still, even now, it's encouraging to see because, like you said, we're podcasters, we come out, we teach, but we don't know everything.

And we're in the process of learning too. I have a real problem with the guys that think they do know everything, but that's a different story.

So, actually, there are people out there that believe that you can have perfect understanding of everything.

Oh, yeah. And you know what's going to happen the moment they sit at the feet of Christ? They're going to go, oh,

I was totally wrong. Especially about my pride. Yeah, yeah.

So, I want to talk about a thing that a reoccurring theme on your podcast that comes up after this break.

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All right. And you know something about that podcast, don't you there, Jamal? Oh, yeah.

Oh, yeah. Oh, James. You've been on that podcast, haven't you? Oh, yeah. I went on there, and he had me on graciously to talk about my testimony.

Yeah, I haven't been on there yet, you know. He keeps telling, he keeps giving me a hard time that I won't be on his podcast, and I'm headed to the

Philippines, and he's giving me a hard time. I'm like, look, all right, fine. Here, I give him a link to book.

Now, you used the same link. Was it really hard to book a time to record with me?

No, it really wasn't. It really wasn't, I must say. Yeah, and he books it, and then he ends up canceling on me.

He's like, well, I got to cancel. I know it's like four days away, but he's like giving some excuse. My grandmother died.

I mean, what kind of excuse is that? Well, you know. Yeah, I mean, he's got to have priorities.

Yeah, but I'm sure I'll eventually get on there. He'll eventually, you know, I'll give him enough grief to make sure that he invites me on somehow, like I just did.

Patience. Patience, yeah. Well, look, if he's going to give me grief about not wanting to be on his show, and he canceled,

I got to give him grief about the fact that it was set up. He canceled. So, let's talk about a topic that you talk about a lot.

For folks who don't know, you got very little melanin in your skin, don't you?

Very little. For folks who don't know sarcasm, there was. So, this is the thing, because I'm saying this only if people realize that this isn't two white guys talking about social justice and critical race theory and being woke.

So, you did two videos that were cracking me up. You did the woke brother, and I think there were some people you had said that actually were believing you, and you were,

I mean, it was hysterical. You're like, oh, well, you got to be woke. You got to realize that for us, it takes us an extra 13 seconds to cross the street.

You can't be letting that light change so quickly. The fact that people were taking you serious and that was cracking me up.

But let's talk about these issues. What does it mean to be woke? What is critical race theory?

What's this whole thing with social justice? We're hearing it a lot, even in the church, a lot more than I think we should.

Give folks that may not be familiar with it, just bring them up to speed with all this stuff. So, the interesting thing about when it comes to the woke movement and critical race theory and all of that,

I was on a fence with this in the beginning, and that's why it took so long for me to deal with it.

I actually have a video on my channel where I was talking to a brother named Damon Richardson, and I was actually just wrestling with it through him.

He's on the social justice side and still currently is, and I was just asking him questions. That's how

I got into it as far as dealing with the subject itself. But I began to realize some falseness in it.

I started to realize there were some things that just didn't add up, and I was settled in my way that, man, this is really contrary to the gospel as far as how we should deal with one another, even reconcile with one another, even if there is an issue to even be reconciled as far as each other goes.

That's why I started dealing with it. So, when it comes to this critical race theory, it's always basically a systematic issue against Blacks.

I know that some people, they want to make it seem like it's also including Latinos and Asians and everyone else, but it's not.

This issue is solely focused on Blacks. Injustices, legal systems that are put in place to purposely keep

Black people down. The media didn't help with all the news coverage of Black kids being shot and killed by police officers and the narrative being thrown out in some areas.

It just didn't matter what the story was. If a Black boy was killed, it was automatic racism without any facts being put to the table or any of that kind of stuff.

If you were to try to bring facts to the table, if you're a White person, then you're just perpetuating racism.

If you're a Black person like myself, then you're just Angelo to the inside. You're just Uncle Tom and Cooney.

I'm trying to remember what the term was that they were using for Daryl Harrison from Just Thinking.

I think they called him Oreo Black on the outside, White on the inside. Yeah, Oreo. That's it.

And I realized, man, it's like, man, it's so wicked. Especially when it comes to Christians, people who hold the banner of Christ will call another brother that.

What it's doing is accusing people like Daryl of being dishonest.

You're going to lie for the sake of wanting to keep this Whiteness on the inside of you versus holding to the truth.

Well, I think the thing I see interesting with it is you realize that what they're actually saying is being

Black has nothing to do with color of skin. It has to do with a political agenda, which

I really find interesting because you and I were talking just a bit before we started recording about reparations.

This is why I find it so interesting. The woke brothers that are pushing a political agenda, whose political agenda?

They're pushing a Democrat, liberal political agenda, socialist agenda. The very people who were trying to suppress them and keep them in slaves, right?

That's the irony. It's like, I thought this was brilliant. Someone said, I totally support reparations.

I just support that those who were the party of the KKK, the party that didn't want civil rights, the party that was against freeing the slaves, they should be the party to pay for it, which would be the

Democrats. So make every Democrat pay for reparations. We'll see how long that lasts, right?

Because they're the ones that actually were pushing this. They were the ones that wanted,

I mean, it was the Republican party was formed over the issue of freeing slaves.

The Republican party was the ones that pushed the freeing of the slaves, pushed the emancipation, pushed the having blacks in Congress.

It was the Republicans that had blacks, not the Democrats. And Democrats were fighting it all along and creating the

KKK. And they want to rewrite history now, but it's amazing to me that they want to talk reparations and stuff, and yet they're pushing the political agenda that actually tried to keep them enslaved.

It's interesting to me, and it may be just me, it may be just me, I'm fairly young, but I didn't hear the most of this issue with Republican versus Democrat until Trump got in office.

It's when he became a Republican in office, that's when all of a sudden all the racist stuff come over, the

Republican party, racism and everything else. I guess also,

I guess you could say the same thing as when Obama was in office. I guess whoever ran against him, I would make that to be racist.

Back when Obama was president, if you said any, it was interesting, if you disagreed with his policies, you are racist.

And I'm like, wait a minute, his policies have nothing to do with the color of his skin. But that's the thing.

What I've noticed is racism has nothing to do with how it's properly defined as looking at a group of people and judging them or prejudging them because of color of skin or ethnicity or something about them.

And which exactly, that's actually what they're doing to the whites when they say, and we'll talk about this a bit, you were mentioning earlier, the whole idea of whites apologizing for slavery when they had nothing to do with it.

I think that what you see is they've changed the definition of racism.

They've created a reverse type of racism where I've actually had an

African American who told me he can't be racist because he's not privileged.

Now, here's the irony. This is a kid who, this is someone that my kids went to school with.

He's an upper middle class. He's got parents who are very well educated.

One's a university professor. So, it's not like they were in an uneducated family.

They weren't in a poor family. He went to a private school and he's like, well, I'm underprivileged.

How are you underprivileged? Because I'm black. And yet, it's what defines racism is being economic or financial things or a political agenda.

That's what's made it so confusing for folks, I think, because for someone like me, I'm using definitions the way they actually are in the dictionary.

And those dictionary definitions just don't matter. They could change on a whim nowadays.

But see, that's the thing. Because they change the definition, it's going to always be subjective.

And therefore, they keep themselves from ever being accountable to the correct definition. Because you can have a black person in the high class, making all the money, got white people under him, and yet can be treating them wrong because they're white, yet still won't be called racist.

They won't call him racist. But what they're saying is, I make a joke about it in What Brothers, because he is black, it doesn't matter if he's partial to his people and treats the other side wrong because, hey, whites had it good all these years.

And so therefore, y 'all kind of deserve some of this. So hey, if you get mistreated a little bit, don't call it racism, just take it.

It's what you deserve. And the thing is that when you change the definition of racism, now everything is racism.

I mean, if I disagree with anyone who's black, it's racism. It's like, wait a minute. If you disagree with the whole issue of the being woke and stuff like that, well, then you're an

Uncle Tom, you're a traitor, you're not really black, you're an Oreo. I mean, all these things that we end up hearing.

Right. So it's like, well, what really is racism?

Because if you're going to argue that it's being underprivileged, well, then the last thing that blacks should do in my opinion, is support the party that wanted to keep them enslaved physically.

And now that they can't, they want to keep them enslaved to being impoverished and just to keep voting for them.

Because you think about it, and I think more and more African -Americans are waking up to this, is the fact that the

Democrat Party is keeping them enslaved in a kind of slavery. Keeping them enslaved just to get the votes.

And they're staying empowered by that. And they know, they just count on the fact that they're going to have 90 % of the

African -American vote. And they're getting upset that they're losing that. It used to be higher. And every election, they're losing that more and more.

And they're upset with that. And they can't, it's like they can't figure it out. I think what it is, is there are brothers like you that are actually are woke.

They're woke to the fact that you have people trying to keep others enslaved for political purposes.

Changing definitions of terms so it's all about a political agenda. And that agenda, for those of us who are believers, is completely against the gospel and against Christianity.

It was so heartbreaking. I was having a conversation with a fellow brother and he was on the social justice side.

He was arguing about the prison systems. He was saying how critical race theory affected even in the legal system.

There's all these Black people in jail. The prisons are full of them. And therefore, that's clearly racism in the system.

That's clearly systematic racism. And I began to ask, I was like,

I look at the stats of Blacks who are in jail and why they're in jail versus Whites.

If they go in for the same crime and do they do the same time? And what you see is different.

There's distinctions and there are differences amongst all these cases. And what

I say is this, these Black people who go to prison, and this is unpopular for me to say, but these

Black people who are in prison, who are in jail for drug use and drug distribution and all these things, regardless if they're in there too long, regardless if they shouldn't be in there as long as they are, 25 years, whatever it may be, they know the consequences before they go and sell.

They know the consequences before they distribute, before they possess. They do it knowing the consequences, yet don't want to do the punishment, regardless of what we feel about them.

They know it. I said, but it's no, the studies are not true that a

White person, if a White person gets caught with 25 grams of cocaine and a Black person get caught with 25 grams of cocaine, that the

White person is going to get less time than a Black person. There's nothing to show that. Nothing to show that. What you have is people misreading the stats and looking at distribution versus possession.

And that's what people are missing, just something as small as that. But if you bring that up, they don't want to hear that because it goes against the narrative.

Yeah, and this is the thing that gets me with this, that as we look at this, you look, go back to the 40s and 50s.

What was the African -American community known for?

It was the strong family structure, right? And you had people in, you know, the

Democrats and the State Department and different, there's ties that show that they were bringing drugs or allowing drugs to come into the inner cities.

And what did happen to the families? Destroyed. Destroyed them. Destroyed them.

And they want, I mean, you look at the whole, the structure with welfare, everything. You had politicians that were doing everything that their policies were, were destroying the

African -American families. You have them bringing in Planned Parenthood to kill off, because this is the reality.

If folks don't know, Planned Parenthood, Planned Parenthood's founder, there was a reason

Margaret Sanger wanted Planned Parenthood to be in African -American communities, because she believed in eugenics.

She believed in a social, social engineering the same as Hitler did, but hers was wiping out the blacks.

And that's why she felt we had to get rid of African -Americans. And that policy still is there.

I mean, they try to say, oh, it's because they're, they don't have, we go into the areas where people don't have the money.

Yeah, but they still charge for the services. So, you know, it's not like they're giving free services like crisis pregnancy centers do, but everything that they're doing has been about destroying the, that which kept the black community strong.

And they, and they've been sold a bill of goods because they believe like, like there are blacks who are going to abortion a little bit here, but like, it's amazing all the black babies that are being killed yet.

Now they've drunk the Kool -Aid into now believing, hey, well, this really isn't a baby. Like, I don't want to think about the numbers here.

You're not going to, you're not going to make me believe that like what I'm supporting is actually hurting me. So let me just, let me buy into the false reality that what

I'm actually carrying is a clump of cells and not really a person. And so really seeing the outrage in that, you know, seeing what's really being done.

Yeah. Why are we, why are we still a minority? You don't want to think about that. You know, it's like, this could, this could have a lot to do with it.

Well, even that's kind of cracks me up in a sense. You talk about minorities. So I remember when my kids were going to college and you fill out these forms to try to get scholarships and they ask you whether you're a minority.

And so I filled it out and said that my kid's a minority because my wife is

Asian. And so that's a minority. They're not the majority of America.

And they came back to me and said, what kind of minority? And I said, well, Asian. And they said, no, that doesn't count.

I was like, but they're a minority. And here was the response I Well, they may be fewer in number, but they're, they're educated.

So they don't need, they don't actually count as a minority. And I was like, wait, minority by definition is fewer in number, not education level.

But look how, look how degrading that is to the black community. You know what I'm saying? Like, and that's what they see this thing.

They want to support people who are one of, I think I listened to Thomas Sowell on one of the videos he did.

It's talking about how this idea of, what is that called? Where they, their school did, they looking for the minority.

They want to bring the minority in more. Oh, the affirmative action? Affirmative action. It's my first time hearing somebody say how affirmative action actually hurt us and how it still hurts us.

And when I heard his perspective of it and I started thinking about it, it's like, man, he's right. Like, this is what they actually think of us.

You know, it's like, we're not as educated. So we need these handouts instead of actually doing what people did in the forties and fifties and actually working hard.

And because they, you know, they, they did what they're supposed to do. They're able to get to where they need to be. Whereas now we, we need handouts, like we need it.

And therefore we are dependent upon welfare. You know, therefore we're willing to lie on our tax documents.

We're willing to lie to the companies and say, oh, I don't have a man at home. Like, so therefore it's more beneficial for a woman not to have a man in the house.

Correct. Because if she has a man in the house, look what happens with the, you know, the taxes, you get less money, you know?

So it's, you know, it's like, and we buy into that, you know, but then we, but then we complain. Well, I think you nailed it.

I mean, it is degrading because of this. When you work hard and you know, you've earned your paycheck, you've, you've worked hard for it.

You feel a sense of accomplishment. When you get a handout, you don't feel any accomplishment. You feel entitled.

You feel everything's owed to you. And how do you then do you react with your fellow citizens?

When you walk around feeling everything is owed to you, then you're going to walk around with this idea that you don't owe anyone anything.

And that's what we end up seeing in the culture now. And it's, it's become a mess, but they don't have that sense of accomplishment when it's a handout.

Right. When you work hard for something, and this is what the American dream was, and this is something that's actually changing.

The definition of American dream is changing. The American dream was that there was no caste system.

There was no noble class and working class. In America, anybody could work hard and produce a better life for themselves.

I mean, the, the American experiment changed all of Europe. They, they collapsed their, their whole hierarchy system because people were like, well, in America, people can work hard and they could, they can rise to a level to run a company, to make money.

They weren't kept down. And now what do we have? We have people that are trying to return to that where they're trying to keep people down that like it or not, you have a, you have people that want to keep what they call the minorities uneducated.

Oh, they, they'll say, okay, we'll, we'll give you scholarships for, for college. But what do they do?

They're not giving them an education. They don't help them in giving a good education. So what happens when they get to college?

Oh, they get college bills. They, they get these loans. They don't, they, they're not able to handle the college.

They drop out, but they still got the loans to pay the government loans back. And so what do they do now?

They they're, they're, they're having a huge debt, which is going to keep them down even more.

This is what the whole structure of the, the woke community, they don't, they haven't woken up to realize the very people they're supporting are suppressing them, you know, and it's about a political agenda.

It's, it's about bringing about a Marxist socialist economy.

That's, what's behind this whole thing. Right. And it was, um, on my, on my show,

I did a, uh, episode breaking down. We're dealing with Martin Luther King and his political agenda as he was, um, going forward.

And, um, that was, that got me, that got me a lot of static. Well, I, you know, I actually wanted, that was going to be the next topic

I was going to bring up. So, so let's talk about that because I think your handling of that was refreshing because Martin Luther King is like, it's like, we're not allowed to discuss this.

Right. This is like, especially as a white person, right. Um, and I think your handling of it,

A, you were able to do what probably I could never get away with politically. Right.

But I want you to go over your handling of that because I thought it was done tastefully, but truthfully.

So it started off with, um, a viewer commented and asked me, what was the big deal about the

MLK 50 conference? You know, why, why were there evangelicals who were saying that they were in the wrong for hyper

Martin Luther King, the way they did. And, but yet won't take down anything concerning Jonathan Edwards and Martin Luther.

So I had set out to do a series dealing with all three individuals, looking at Martin Luther King, what he taught and what he believed and what he held to.

And so therefore, why was this an issue then John Jonathan Edwards and Martin Luther? And so, um, so yeah, so that was the whole process.

And I'll say this as well. Your handling of Martin Luther was excellent. Uh, there's a lot things that people don't know about Martin Luther and things he said about the

Jews and all, you know, that was good. It, again, it was dealt with truthfully and tactfully.

Well, yeah, it's just like, cause at the end of the day, truth matters. It is what, is what

I always say is like all truth belongs to God, all truth. So that's, that's what all that should matter besides whatever my emotions would be, you know, whatever may feel good or feel better to me is what is what

I want to know what the truth is. You know, and I deal, I deal with the little hurt. If it makes me, it makes me ouch, you know,

I deal with that, but I need to know what the truth is. And so it was, it was, it was kind of painful dealing with the subjects of Martin Luther, uh,

Martin Luther King, and then looking at George Whitfield and everything else, but it was also freeing, you know, actually seeing the truth of everything and looking at the narrative and how everything came together, how it really is versus what the media may put out, uh, other people.

And so like with Martin Luther King, looking at his whole agenda, even for civil rights, you know, which

I do thank the Lord, because God and his sovereignty allow these things to happen for us to have the civil rights movement. Right.

But his, and his agenda was pushing for communism, but he was against Marxist.

He was against Marxism and it's in his methodology, but not in his conclusion. And then, um, and what

I saw was interesting is that he saw that Marxism, they was willing to do, it was willing to get their conclusion by any means necessary, whether it be lying, stealing, whatever it may be.

Martin Luther King versus, he was like, Hey, we shouldn't be Marxist in his way. Like we shouldn't be a communist. Like a

Christian should not be a communist in the thinking as like what, um, what Marx would think or anyone else, but they should want to do it honestly and do it rightly.

But yet they still have the same conclusion. We should have this one class, you know, no one has more than the other, but that's not a reality.

And, you know, they made it seem as such an evil thing to have capitalism and all. And that was, he pushed this sermons, you know, that's what he pushed as far as blacks standing up for each other and coming together because,

Hey, we got, we got to, we got to come up. We got to come up to where the white man is. And he has to, he has to step aside and let us be, but you know, he's just Martin Luther King did his in a more peaceful manner instead of the more extreme, like Malcolm X with someone else.

And that's the thing. I think there's a lot that you can't talk about that. I mean, well, right now at the moment,

I don't, I don't have probably like lost every black credibility that I can have. Yeah. I mean, you, you're, you had to like hand in your black card on episode one,

I think, you know? Yeah. Now, as soon as I started doing Martin Luther, as soon as I did like episode Martin Luther King, I started losing subscribers.

And, um, even from their friends on Facebook and as well as people who may have liked the page and whatnot, you know,

I've had somebody, um, I remember I did a critique of, uh, Eric Mason on his book, woke church.

And somebody, you know, uh, criticized me. It's like, how dare you, um, like talking as smart, uh,

Eric Mason, like, who are you, you know, to come against him? You know, that's like, I'm just a regular guy just looking at the truth.

You know, that's basically it. And, and, I mean, that's what your podcast is about prescribed truth. I mean, it's just looking at what the truth is.

So, and that's what I appreciate about it. It's, it's refreshing to hear someone that is willing to say, look,

I, I know my tribe. I'll use that term because that's, as some people refer to it, this tribalism in my tribe says

I should be believing this, but I'm going to break out of that and think for myself and look at what the truth is.

So I'm going to go ahead. I was just real quick. I was, I would encourage anyone who may listen to this and be on the opposite side of us on this.

Just, I would, I would encourage you to listen to the podcast that I did on Martin Luther, on the claim of his antisemitism, listen to the podcast on Martin Luther King, as far as what he taught in his letters that he wrote, and also

George Whitefield. And even with the early America, even how, you know, how we got our independence and what that entailed, what the founders were thinking about concerning black people in the

Declaration of Independence. Like I would encourage them to just check those things out and just let the, let the facts lay where they lay, you know?

Yeah. And so you could folks go and subscribe today to Prescribed Truth and, and listen to those episodes.

So what I want to do with you, Jamal, I know that you listen to every rap report, so you should know what's coming at this point.

No, no, you don't. But we're going to play a game. It's time now to start the spiritual transition game.

So now we're going to find out if you listen, are a regular listener to the rap report, do you know what this game is about?

Oh yeah, I love this. Oh, he does know. Okay. So, so for folks who may be new to the podcast, this is something we find that with most people, they say,

I am okay with sharing the gospel and talking to people about Christ when the topic is spiritual.

So most people are waiting for God to open a door for someone to just say, hi, can you tell me everything about Jesus Christ and how to go to heaven?

That never happens. And so people are always waiting for some door to open, for some conversation to get to the spiritual so they could talk about Christ.

I argue you don't need to. You can make any conversation a spiritual conversation by transitioning from the natural world to the spiritual.

It's actually one of the most difficult things I find that people have a hard time with in evangelism is how to do that transition.

And so we made a game out of it and the game we play regularly. So Jamal is going to give me something.

I have no idea what it is and whatever he gives me, I have to transition to the gospel.

Now I'm just going to say this for the record. I was recently on the podcast. What are we even doing here with Daryl and Karen Updike?

And they decided to play this game with me when I was on their show and they were trying to figure out what to give me.

And I ended up doing a very different transition from discussing the transitions. So I'm just going to say you're going to have to go out and listen to that episode to find out.

But Jamal, what do I have to transition to the gospel with today? I want to see a transition when discussing that, you know,

I got this inventory that I'm trying to keep track of and it's not right.

And the boss is on my heel about it. And I want to have a conversation about this and want to transition into the gospel.

So you're talking to your boss about the missing or wrong accounting of inventory.

All right. And so you're looking to share the gospel with your boss, which is always fun to do.

Yes. Okay. First thing I'll put myself in that scenario. First thing I do in that is I invite my boss to lunch and I'm buying.

Why? Because when you're buying lunch, you pretty much get to talk about anything you want.

Just saying it's this kind of unwritten rule. If I'm buying, I get to talk about things.

So typically that's what I would do. But, you know, when you think about the fact that, look, we have these records and there's only a couple of different scenarios here.

Either someone's stealing inventory and therefore the accounting is wrong because the product is being stolen or someone's not recording things properly and we are not having an accurate record.

So it's either theft. It could be sloppiness. It could be that someone's manipulating the numbers to make it look like we are buying more product than we actually are, which would be dishonesty.

So there's some things that we have, but one thing we could agree on would be that when we look at the accounting and it says that there should be this much inventory and there's not, then we have a problem.

Now, you know, sometimes it could be that the sloppiness could be that we have too much inventory and we're finding out that we're saying we have more than we actually do.

But whatever it is, the thing we realize is that we have an accounting for a purpose and there's something going on in the system that's broken.

The thinking of this is that we got to figure out why, what's the root cause?

Because all we could tell when we look at the numbers is something's broken, something's wrong. And as a supervisor, as a boss, you need to get to the bottom of not so much that the accounting's wrong, but the why.

Because there has to be a consequence. Don't you agree that there has to be a consequence? If someone's being sloppy with their handling of the numbers, that has a direct monetary effect.

So there would have to be a consequence. If it's someone stealing or being dishonest, then we have a different kind of consequence.

Don't you agree? If you agree, then I mean, I want to take this a different way as well, because just like there's an accountability that we have to the inventory, you and I have a different accountability to our creator in the fact that we break his law and he keeps a record of that.

He keeps an accountability of that. And we could justify it in a lot of different ways.

We call things white lies. When we know we're saying things that aren't true, we could justify it in saying, well, others do these things.

I'm just stealing a little bit. I'm only stealing a little bit of time from my employer when other people are stealing money.

It's not the same thing. We justify it, but it's still an accounting that we have to give to an infinitely holy creator who knows everything.

And don't you think that just as you feel there's a justice that has to be paid with the accounting of inventory, don't you think that God's going to feel the same justice to be paid when we break his law?

And God made a way of escape. God actually made a payment for the lack of inventory, because you and I would never be able to pay that inventory.

And yet God himself, who's infinite and has infinite riches in this sense, can pay that inventory.

When he himself came to earth and paid that eternal fine on the cross, he paid the fine you and I could never pay.

He died in our place. And because he's an eternal being, he could pay that eternal fine. And he paid it for us that we could be set free.

But we have to stop trusting ourselves and our good works and our thinking we're a good person and trust what Jesus Christ did alone on that cross.

And only through Christ we can have the forgiveness of sins. So think about the accountability and the accounting that you're going to give to God the moment you die.

And then you hope you don't get fired. That was beautiful.

That was beautiful, man. All right. Well, hey, Jamal, I enjoy you coming on here. I enjoy your podcast.

Both Coleen and I were really glad when you filled out an application.

She had actually turned me on to your podcast. She was like, when you had done the thing on Martin Luther, I can't remember if it was the

Martin Luther King or the Martin Luther one that she first told me about. And I know that the one you did on Martin Luther really impacted her because she's done some study on Luther and she goes, so few people get him right and you did.

And it was, you know, she was like, man, this guy's got such great content. And then all of a sudden

I was like, hey, did you see who sent in an application? She was like, yes. So we've both been really excited about the fact that you're joining us and we could be partnering with you and be able to just be part of what you're doing because it's some great, great stuff that you're doing.

And you know how to use humor and satire with your woke videos, the woke brothers videos or the woke brother videos.

And I just, I want folks to be knowing to go out to your, your

YouTube channel, go out to prescribed truth. The, your website is prescribed truth .com.

Is it a .org? I forget now. Dot com dot com. So prescribed truth .com from there, you can get everything.

You could get the web, the podcast, you get the you can get the

YouTube. This leads to the YouTube channel on there, the podcast, if they want to support it and able to do it there and everything.

Yeah, that's what I was going to do. And it also is the Patreon page that you have so that they can support you doing more of this.

So if you go check it out, if you appreciate what he's doing, then consider supporting him.

And I wanted to say with that woke brother, it started with just the frustration of hearing people say how threatened they were of white people just for being in the room because they disagree with them.

And I was like, man, you know what? You know what? I'm going to be a woke brother. You know, I'm just going to be a woke brother.

And that's what I did. And I encourage people to check out and actually Phil Johnson actually retweeted.

They got it was interesting. A lot of people took me seriously. Um, I looked at some articles that was on the

Daily Mail and it talked about how racism because of racism, black people have to wait 30 percent longer to cross the street.

And this was a legit article. And I was like, you can't be serious. I said, oh, man,

I said, this is gold. This is gold. I said, the wrong with this. And so so I just, yeah, people, if you if you do happen to check out the

YouTube channel, just check out the woke brother videos. It's called woke brother brings the facts. That's just that's one.

So just check those out. We get a chance. We great. So I want to give you a chance to have a give any last minute thoughts, any last minute comments after this commercial.

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Prescribed Truth, to check out what the doctor prescribes? Yeah, so before I do,

I just wanted to really just thank you Andrew for having me on the show and being such an amazing host. And I'm not just saying to toot your horn a little bit.

But thanks, I'll give you that five dollars later. There you go. But yes, you know, hey guys, my whole goal is to just deal with the falsehoods and just give truth.

You know, God has given us his truth through the scriptures, and we're called, especially as Christians, to distribute that truth amongst the world.

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I offer. I mean, I'm open to people critiquing and giving feedback and also just like what me and Andrew did today with one of my topics.

You know, like this is all about sharing the truth and God has given us his truth and he wants us to share it.

OK, so that's that's what I do. I'm going to definitely, like you said earlier, with the forgiveness and everything, definitely go back and do some, you know, do some more digging, you know, because that's what it's all about.

Just iron sharpening iron. So I'm trying to build a community around prescribed truth. So I would love for you guys to be a part of that community as well with me.

All right. And folks, next week, I am going to be working on a couple of different things. I know that I hope that last week's episode encouraged you as we went through the book, the chapter in Colossians, very encouraging passage, which just lifts

Christ on high and his supremacy. And so that is something that I hope encouraged you.

And I do plan on I got to get some as I'll be headed out to by the time this drops,

I'll probably be on my way back from Texas as I'll be out there for the weekend.

But when I get back, I'm going to be scheduling some some different podcasts.

But I'm looking for different topics. If there's things you guys want me to discuss, things you want me to address, you can email me at info at striving for eternity dot o r g.

That is info at striving for eternity dot o r g. Let me know what you want us to discuss on here.

If you have guests you want me to bring on, let me know. We want to be some a podcast that is helping you.

The more that we can address the issues you want addressed biblically, then the better this podcast is serving you.

And that's what we're our goal is here is to basically help you in getting biblical interpretations and applications to all things

Christian living and cultural. And so, let us know the issues that you might want for us to discuss.

And until next time, remember to strive to make today an eternal day for the glory of God.

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