Social Justice and the Leftist Agenda

Social Justice, Forgiveness, and the Christian Podcast Community

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Church, go to strivingforeternity .org. Well, welcome to another edition of The Rap Report. I'm your host, Andrew Rapaport, and today we are going to be talking about exactly what the doctor ordered, and that is going to be Prescribed Truth with Jamal Bandy.

He is currently, as we record this, the newest podcaster on the Christian podcast community. And I say the newest, but Jamal, I got news for you. I don't think you're holding that title for very long because there's about six podcasts right behind you that are looking to get into the community, and I think you're going to lose the title as newest podcaster very soon.

So, welcome to The.

Rap Report. Thank you, Andrew, for having me on. It's good to be here. We need to milk that newest.

One as long as we can. So, you've been doing podcasting for a while. You've actually been doing it on YouTube that you then turn into a podcast. Correct. Yeah, I started off on YouTube.

With Prescribed Truth. We're doing mostly short-form content. I moved into doing podcasting just on video, and then eventually moved to doing audio. And so, we're going to talk about.

Your podcast. I want to talk about the name, Prescribed Truth, how we got that. But first, I want you to just introduce yourself to my audience because some folks may not know who you are. Some folks may not have watched your Woke video.

We'll have to get to that, too. I shouldn't give inside jokes without explaining them, but we will get to that later because that was very funny. But let's first talk about you, your background, where you came from because I know folks who may have heard you on the 5 Solas podcast, they heard your background a bit.

You have a very interesting background, so we won't have time to go into as much as James and you went into, so people should go check that out. But give a little bit about your background,.

The church that you were in and had left and why. All right. So, I started off going to a mostly Pentecostal charismatic type church. It was back in 2009, and it turned out to be a cult. And I say it turned out to be because I believe the pastor probably had good intentions in the beginning, but got caught up with greed.

He's very manipulative in how he led his flock. We was all young, and we didn't know the Bible. We didn't read. We didn't study. There was no gospel preaching and none of that kind of good stuff. And so, it just got really bad.

I'm not going into a long, detailed story on it. But eventually, he passed away, and that's what caused the church to split. And at that time, we were all lost. We saw him as our spiritual head. Without him, we didn't have any guidance.

And so, a lot of us, as far as the church split, and most people went back to the world, as we would say, or just went to other false churches. But God, by his grace, just, I began to question Christianity.

But the Lord dealt with me, and I believe it was the Lord. I didn't hear the gospel, but I do believe it was the Lord that was guiding me at that time. The Bible didn't come by that pastor. So, I just felt compelled to just study the Word, just to read and see what was actually in the Word versus what he was teaching.

And I began to see a lot of things that was wrong, and that's what brought that. And other than that, it was just the trajectory that the Lord just had me on, and just bring me to the truth. And it was in 2013 when I finally would hear the gospel, and the Lord would save me.

So, as he said, my name is Jamal Bandy. Of course, I'm married. I have two children, a six-year-old, and I'll be a two-year-old in September. Yeah, so, yes, we are. So, ever since then, just striving for the truth.

Jared Ballentine. Versus striving for eternity. Oh, wait, that's a different ministry.

Jamal Striving for the truth.

Towards eternity. There you go. Combination. So, I had someone that actually, we were talking about your podcast, and it was Dwayne Atkinson from The Bar Podcast. I know you know who he is. Jamal. Oh, yeah.

It was really funny because what ended up happening was, he and I were talking and I was explaining your podcast, and he's like, wait, is that the one with the pill on it? The logo with the pill? And I was like, yeah, you know.

And I guess that your logo must stand out for folks that they remember that because you have a pill and it has on there Ephesians 4 .25, which says, Therefore, having put away falsehood, let each of you speak the truth with his neighbor, for we are members of one another.

So, it's kind of for folks to understand why you may have come up with this. Here, your background kind of explains a bit with the leaving the church you were part of. And I love the way you guys, you do it with the, you know, this is what the doctor prescribes, the truth.

So, let's talk about your podcast a bit. Why did you get into this? And I know it had to do with some of your background, but why start this and.

Why prescribed truth? Jamal. Okay, so the initial start, so in the midst when I was in a cult, and I mentioned a pastor passed away. But when he passed, a close friend of mine passed, a couple of my close friends passed away as well, along with the church.

And so, and he was one of the people that I brought along with me to that church. And so, it was just, you know, from that experience, and just after coming to the truth of the gospel, and understanding that apart from Christ, there is no salvation.

Apart from trust and belief in Christ alone, there's no salvation. And we was heavily works based, and we believe in all righteousness. And so, from there, I was just like, man, I really, I know there are other churches who are suffering like this.

There are other people in churches who are under leadership that are manipulative and, you know, teaching and teaching falsely and on purpose. You know, I do give, I try to give some leniency to people who are, you know, who are genuinely teaching what they believe is truth, they're just misled.

You know, but there are those who are very manipulative, they know what they're doing. And I wanted to be able to just to go through the scripture and share that truth to people. So, I try to help them come out of that.

And not let it be something that's traumatic to happen to have them leave the church, like what happened to me. And so, that's what made me want to start doing it. As far as the title and get into prescribed truth, it was a while back in another church I was at, where we was hosting this kind of like this, this cafe type deal.

And the guy called it the gospel. You know, like he had a, he called, he wanted to call the cafe the pharmacy. And so, like people come when they're sick, they come to get some medicine. And I remember making a flyer for it and I call it the gospel, come get the gospel.

And that's what made me, I thought about that years later. I was like, you know what, I remember that. I said, but I don't want to call this a pharmacy. I said, but, but, you know, like, but this is what this is.

Like, you know, there's errors, people are sick with errors, you know, and the Bible tells us concerning our sin, we are sick, our heart is sick, you know, and, but our only doctor is God. Like, like, like, he's our God.

So I was like, well, I want to be able to prescribe, I want to, I want to be able to distribute this truth that a doctor prescribes, you know? And so that's kind of how that carried on. And Ephesians 4 .25 was like my go-to passages.

It encouraged me as far as speaking truth, even when it's tough.

Forgiveness, Repentance, and Reconciliation

Well, you know, let's, I want to talk about some of the issues, some issues you talk about on your show. But first let's, let's play a commercial for a new podcast.

Ephesians 4 .25. Therefore laying aside falsehood, speak truth, each one of you with his neighbor, for we are members of one another for his name's sake.

What's up, everybody? I'm Jamal Bandy, the host of the Prescribed Truth Podcast, where I seek to distribute the truth that the doctor prescribes to the church and the world today. The Lord graciously brought me out of a coat in 2010, saved me in 2013, and in 2017, Prescribed Truth began.

My mission has been to spread the truth of God's word while refuting dangerous lies affecting most churches and the culture at large from a biblical and reformed perspective. Join me on Sundays at 6 p .m. Eastern time for the live recording of the podcast on YouTube and download the audio version wherever podcasts can be found, including the Christian podcast community.

If you would like to know more about Prescribed Truth, please visit my website at PrescribedTruth .com. And remember, this world is full of errors, but the only thing that the.

Doctor prescribes is truth. Blessings. I like that. The only thing that doctor prescribes is truth. I love that. So, let's talk, recently you've been talking about forgiveness, and I want to start with that one and then move on to some other topics that you've been discussing because I think you and I are going to have a lot of fun with some of those later topics, but you've been dealing with forgiveness and you actually did like three or four episodes on really working through on your own, do we forgive someone who is unrepentant?

And it was, for me as a listener, I'll give you my view as a listener, it was neat because I get to see week after week as you were dealing with it, you're going and you're talking with your pastor, you're talking to some other guys, you're doing more study, and each week it's like, okay, I did a little bit more study, here's where I'm at, okay, I did a little bit more study, here's where I'm at.

And so, your podcast wasn't, and you had said, it wasn't one that, hey, this is where I got all my notes, I'm all polished, that was a topic you kind of did something and you were, let me keep working through this, and people interacting with you, you dealt with your listeners and reacted with them, and I thought that was good because it gets, for me as a listener, to see your thinking process, see how you're working through an issue.

Though I might disagree on your conclusion, but we can talk about that. Right. So, you dealt with, I mean, because it was an interesting topic, it's one that I don't often deal with much, is the question, I deal a lot with church discipline and the issue of forgiveness and reconciliation, and you were asking, do we, basically, do we forgive someone who is unrepentant?

Not just someone who comes and asks forgiveness and you dealt with that, they ask forgiveness, you say yes, and you forgive.

Right. So, and this was new for me, I mentioned on my podcast, I initially heard this from a podcast called Stop and Think About It, and I was just listening to you guys, Steve, he's like, we've talked before this podcast, that I heard the podcast, and so I kind of know him a little bit, and I was like, man, I'm listening to this, this is the first time I've heard this concept, because I was under the impression as well, I know we talked about a little bit before we started, that, you know, hey, we're called to forgive, you know, we're just called to forgive, and, you know, and, you know, even then, I still had a misunderstanding or, you know, even if we're talking now, like, thinking about reconciliation, like, hey, well, I'm forgiving you, I'm letting it go, you know, saying no need to hold it over you, you know, just let it be, and so I listened to the podcast, and I heard it, and it was, it was, it kind of threw me off, and I'm like, well, let me check this out, so I really do appreciate the fact that the listeners was, like, really gracious towards me as I worked through this, like, you know, I try to keep that honest with prescribed truth, it's like, I don't claim to know everything, you know, I'm working through truth, you know, I come from falsehoods, and by God's grace, I'm headed to truth, I mean, I've heard it to the truth of the gospel, and everything after that, you know, is continuing to grow, and so, and that's what I love about the ministry, the ministry that I have, it's like, I'm growing, and people see that, you know, so I don't mind being corrected with anything, don't mind when people disagree, or, you know, chopping it up with me about things, because, you know, I'm open to correction, but the process of this was, was, this, I think this was the most challenging topic that I've done on the, on prescribed truth, that had me really just go to my, even had to go to my elders, like, hey, what do you say about this, you know?

Yeah, and, and you, you mentioned the Stop and Think podcast, I, I don't know Steve, although we've, we've talked a little bit online, but I know one of the hosts very well, which is Phil Sessa, so knowing Phil's on there means I'm going to basically trust that podcast.

Phil's a really good, solid brother, I've known him for years, he and I do, have done a lot of street ministry in New York City, and so, that, you know, I, I don't know which episode it was you, you, that you interacted with, but you went through that, and I think, you know, each week we're getting to see you flesh this out more.

Now, for me, I think the, I guess the distinction I was making with you before we started recording was that there's a difference between forgiveness and reconciliation. Now, I think as believers, we, we are to forgive everybody, even if they're unrepentant, even if they're dead, we need to be forgiving.

I mean, there's people who I have forgiven that never even came to me and admitted that, you know, the wrong that they did, they won't admit to the wrong. So, they're unrepentant, but there was still a need on my part to, to seek to forgive them in my own heart.

So, when I see them, I'm not bitter toward them at all, and that's the thing, if you don't forgive, you're going to be bitter. That's what unforgiveness leads to, is bitterness. So, I forgive people, but it doesn't mean I restore relationships.

You know, if they're unrepentant, I, then the relationship can't be restored, and that's where I would see a distinction between the, the forgiveness, I think we do as Christians, the, the restoration of that relationship and the, and the, that full reconciliation, that can't happen without repentance.

And so, it may be you forgive someone, but you just, you're not going to have that relationship with them.

Until there's reconciliation. And I think that's where I was like, my confusion with that is like, even as I was working through this ahead of time, it was like, okay, what does, what, what does it entail when we forgive someone?

Like, so, is forgiveness basically for my sake, as far as, you know, my heart being at peace, or is it other centered? You know, and then, because if the reconciliation isn't there, then obviously there's still a disconnect between me and the individual that's wrong with me, but I'm basically forgiving them for my own peace.

Yeah, and, and forgiving for your own peace is an important thing, you know, because you, you don't want to grow, you don't want to have bitterness in your own heart. You don't want to allow that to, to fester in any way, because, man, I've done enough counseling to know that there's people who, they're just unwilling to forgive, and boy, do they pay the price of that, you know?

And so—.

And I wrestle with that. Like, I'm sorry, I didn't mean to cut you off. I wrestle with that a lot, with that, because even when, when me and Steve had talked about it more, I was thinking about, like, how does this play out in counseling?

Like, when you're dealing with married couples, right? When the spouse may have wronged them, and, you know, and how do they go about reconciling and dealing with things, and especially when a person is full of pride, arrogance, you know, when they're unrepentant, and all those things, and just, you know, because we think about normal relationships, but when you're bringing it to the home, like, there's no walking away for that, you know?

Like, you know, like, we have to deal with these things. And so, when it came to the bitterness part, that was part that really stuck out to me. It's like, okay, man, like, how do we get past this? And there's, you know, this bitterness can come up this—because the Bible is clear, the Bible is clear in telling us that we should not be bitter towards others, you know?

We shouldn't harbor bitterness towards others. But then, I think about the text, and I wrestle with this, I think it was on the second part, was when the Bible tells us that we shouldn't take, we shouldn't take vengeance upon ourselves, that vengeance is the Lord's, and he shall repay.

So, wouldn't it be a level of trust in that point, like, even if a person is unrepentant, and if I am unforgiving, in that sense, because they're unrepentant, the lack of—could it be that a person had put their trust in God to do his part, you know, do what he's going to do, trusting in him as far as his sovereignty, you know?

Because the Bible tells us the hearts of kings are in his hands, and he turns whatever way he pleases. So, like, leaving it to God, and therefore not allowing myself to be bitter, like, could that be a possibility, or is that.

Just kind of, you know, that's thrown out? Well, I think my own heart, I should be, if I'm, if I know of something, because there's times where I've had people come, I had this just even recently, where someone came and asked me for forgiveness for something I didn't even know happened.

And so, they're holding a grudge because I'm not behaving a certain way, because they assumed I knew something, and I didn't know, and they got upset with me over it. And I didn't know anything about it.

So, you have that sometimes with folks, and this is the thing. Me as a believer, I need to be a forgiving person. Even though they may do wrong, I always use this as an example. You have someone who, you have babysit your kids, and you come home, kids, the place is a mess, the kids are just doing whatever they want, and the babysitters are just sitting there watching TV.

Now, you may forgive the babysitter, but you're never going to have them babysit again, right? So, there's a consequence that comes with it. Now, if the person's like, well, I didn't do any wrong, you try to explain the wrong and say, well, okay, and that's it.

Now, there could be that they didn't realize they were wrong, and they're really repentant, and you might say, okay, I'll give you a second chance, because now you've reconciled that relationship. But like you're saying, in the home with family, yeah, it's going to be a little bit touchier, because you have someone that's done wrong, and I've had relationships, not within family, but well, within my extended family.

I've had some strained relationships, but not because of sin, it's because I became a Christian. But even with that, I could say, you know, my family gets together. There's kind of like these unspoken limits of what we can and can't talk about without things getting really bad, and so there are things that you're going to have where it's just, okay, if there's no repentance, then there is a break of that relationship.

It can't be fully restored until there is repentance. And I'll say this for folks when we talk about reconciliation. When someone comes to me and says, if I offended you, you know, forgive me, that's not repentance.

You know? Like, if there's something they did wrong, it could be that they're just asking forgiveness because they didn't know they offended you, they don't really think it's wrong, it's not really, it may not be a sinful thing, but, you know, look, we don't want to offend people, and okay, then for that reason, forgive me.

That's one thing, but the other thing that we look at is the fact that there's people who will say it like that because they want to avoid actually admitting to what they've done wrong. That's totally different.

So, that would be the thing I'd end up looking at those and say, okay,.

We have a different way of looking at this then. And so, I want to look more into, because you brought it up, maybe think about it, I want to look more into the distinction of reconciliation and repentance, I mean, I'm sorry, and forgiveness and how they relate and, you know, and how they know and how that distinction is made in the divide.

And that was, so, that's my initial thing is like, I'm just thinking like, man, like, if I forgive someone that, you know, how can I forgive without reconciliation? And I hear what you're saying there, and I hear it, but it's like, I really want to look more into it.

And that's why I said in my shows, like, with this subject, it's like, I'm not as dogmatic on it. Like, the podcast I heard, it was pretty set in their way. You know, they were like, hey, you know, these are cliches.

That was, I can't remember the exact title of that podcast, but it's about Christian cliches.

Oh, okay. I know, yeah. I didn't listen to that one yet.

It was the first one of the two. They did a two-part, and it was the first one of the two, and that was one of the ones, so they didn't spend much time on it, but that was one of the ones they talked about.

And when I went to my elders about it, it was more or less like, centered around the gospel. It's like, okay, because of the example of Christ, like, I think, I don't know if I heard this, I'm trying to think if I heard this, was it Matt?

I was trying to hear Matt Slick talk about it in another podcast we talked about, as far as our reconciliation with God. It's like, it's done, you know, atonement has happened, right? But that transaction didn't take place.

I'm paraphrasing, but it's like, when I heard basically that transaction didn't take place until we repented. Our hearts were changed, but that's when that transactional relationship happened. So I was looking at it from that.

Perspective. And one of the things, I mean, my, and as you look at it, I mean, my perspective is maybe I'm being just a little bit more precise with it, is there's a distinction between reconciliation and restoration of relationships and that forgiveness.

I felt a lot of what you were on your podcast dealing with was really the restoration of a relationship more than you were actually addressing the real issue, I think, of, you know, you're bringing up forgiveness when you're really addressing the real issue of reconciliation.

So I'm just trying to think about it. But it was good as far as someone who was sitting in and being able to watch you process it. And still even now, it's encouraging to see because like you said, we're podcasters, we come out, we teach, but we don't know everything.

And we're in the process of learning too. I have a real problem with the guys that think they do know everything, but that's a.

Belief that you can have perfect understanding of everything.

Oh, yeah. And you know what's going to happen the moment they sit at the feet of Christ? They're going to go,. Oh, I was totally wrong. Especially about my pride. Yeah, yeah. So let's, I want to talk about a thing that a reoccurring theme on your podcast that comes up after this break, and that is the issue of social justice.

Critical Race Theory, Wokeness, and Political Agenda

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All right. And you know something about that podcast, don't you there, Jamal?

Oh, yeah. Oh, James.

You've been on that podcast, haven't you?

Oh, yeah. I went on there and he had me on graciously to talk about my testimony.

Yeah, I haven't been on there yet, you know. He keeps telling, he keeps giving me a hard time that I won't be on his podcast and he, I'm headed to the Philippines and he's giving me a hard time that I'm like, look, all right, fine.

Here, I give him a link to book. Now, you use the same link. Was it really hard to book a time to record with me?

No, it really wasn't. It really wasn't, I must say.

Yeah, and he books it and then he ends up canceling on me. He's like, well, I got to cancel. I know it's like four days away, but he's like giving some excuse. My grandmother died. I mean, what kind of excuse is that?

Well, you know. Yeah, I mean, he's got to have priorities. Yeah, but I'm sure I'll eventually get on there. He'll eventually, you know, I'll give him enough grief to make sure that he invites me on somehow.

And like I just did.

There you go. Patience.

Patience, yeah. Well, look, if he's going to give me grief about not wanting to be on his show and he canceled, I got to give him grief about the fact that it was set up, he canceled. So let's talk about a topic that you talk about a lot.

For folks who don't know, you got very little melanin in your skin, don't you? Very little. For folks who don't know sarcasm, there was. So this is the thing, because I'm saying this, only if people realize that this isn't two white guys talking about social justice and critical race theory and being woke.

So you did two videos that were cracking me up. You did the woke brother. And I think there were some people you had said that actually were believing you and you were, I mean, it was hysterical. You're like, oh, well, you got to be woke.

You got to realize that for us, it takes us an extra 13 seconds to cross the street. You can't be letting that light change so quickly. The fact that people were taking you serious and that was cracking me up.

But let's talk about these issues. What does it mean to be woke? What is critical race theory? What's this whole thing with social justice? We're hearing it a lot, even in the church, a lot more than I think we should.

Give folks that may not be familiar with it, just bring them up to speed with all this stuff.

So it's interesting about when it comes to the woke movement and critical race theory and all of that. I was on the fence with this in the beginning. And that's why it took so long for me to deal with it.

I actually have a video on my channel where I was talking to a brother named Damon Richardson. And I was actually just wrestling with it through him. He's on the social justice side and still currently is.

And I was just asking him questions. That's how I got into it as far as dealing with the subject itself. But I began to realize some falseness and I started to realize there were some things that just didn't add up.

And I was settled in my way that, man, this is really contrary to the gospel as far as how we should deal with one another, even reconcile with one another, even if there is an issue to even be reconciled as far as each other goes.

And so that's why I started dealing with it. So when it comes to this critical race theory, it's always basically a systematic issue against Blacks. And I know some people, they want to make it seem like it's also including Latinos and Asians and everyone else, but it's not.

This issue is solely focused on Blacks. Injustices, legal systems that are put in place to purposely keep Black people down. And the media didn't help with all the news coverage of Black kids being shot and killed by police officers and the narrative being thrown out in some areas.

It just didn't matter what the story was. If a Black boy was killed, it was automatic racism without any facts being put to the table and that kind of stuff. And if you was to try to bring facts to the table, if you're a White person, then you're just perpetuating racism.

And if you're a Black person like myself, then you're just Angelo to the inside. You know, you're just Uncle Tom and Cooney.

Yeah, what was it? I'm trying to remember what the term was that they were using for for Darrell Harrison. From just thinking, I think they called him Oreo, Black on the outside,.

White on the inside. Yeah, Oreo. Yeah, that's it. And I realized, man, it's like, man, it is so wicked. You know, like, especially when it comes from Christians, like people who hold the banner of Christ, what calling of the brother that, you know, because it's like it's what it's doing is accusing is accusing people like Darrell of being dishonest.

Like, so you're going to you're going to lie for the sake of wanting to keep this, you know, this whiteness on the inside of you, you know, versus holding to the truth.

Well, I think I think the thing I see interesting with it is you realize that what they're actually saying is being Black has nothing to do with color of skin. It has to do with a political agenda, mm hmm, which I really find interesting because you and I were talking just a bit before we started recording about reparations.

This is why I find it so interesting. The woke brothers that are pushing a political agenda, whose political agenda? They're pushing a Democrat liberal political agenda, socialist agenda, the very people who were trying to suppress them and keep them in slaves.

Right. That's that's the irony. It's like I thought this was brilliant. Someone said, I totally support reparations. I just support that those who were the party of the KKK, the party that didn't want civil rights, the party that was against freeing the slaves, they should be the party to pay for it, which would be the Democrats.

So make every Democrat pay for reparations. We'll see how long that lasts. Right. Because they're the ones that actually were pushing this. They were the ones that wanted I mean, it was the the Republican Party was was formed over the issue of freeing slaves.

The Republican Party was the ones that pushed the freeing of the slaves, pushed the emancipation, pushed the having having blacks in Congress. It was it was the Republicans that had blacks, not not the Democrats.

And Democrats were fighting it all along and creating the KKK. And they want to rewrite history now. But it's amazing to me that they want to talk reparations and stuff. And yet they're pushing the political agenda.

That actually tried to keep them enslaved. It's interesting to me is I and maybe just me. And maybe just me, you know, I'm fairly young, but I didn't hear the most of this issue with Republican versus Democrat until Trump got in office is when is when he became a Republican in office.

That's when all of a sudden all the racist stuff come over the Republican Party, similar racism and everything else. You know, I've never heard. I guess also I guess you could say the same thing as when Obama was in office.

I guess whoever ran against him, I'll make that to.

Yeah. Back back when Obama was president, if you said any, it was interesting. If you disagreed with his policies, you are racist. And I'm like, wait a minute. His policies have nothing to do with the color of his skin.

But that's the thing. What I've noticed is racism has nothing to do with what how it's properly defined as looking at a group of people and judging them or prejudging them because of color of skin or ethnicity or something about them.