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Proverbs chapter 27 verse 17 tells us iron sharpens iron, so one man sharpens another. Matthew Henry said that in this passage we are cautioned to take heed with whom we converse and directed to have in view in conversation to make one another wiser and better.
It is our hope that this goal will be accomplished over the next two hours, and we hope to hear from you, the listener, with your own questions. And now here's your host Chris Arnzen.
Good afternoon Cumberland County, Pennsylvania, Lake City, Florida, and the rest of humanity living on the planet earth, who are listening via live streaming at ironsharpensironradio .com. This is Chris Arnzen, your host of Iron Sharpens Iron Radio, wishing you all a happy Wednesday on this 20th day of January 2021, Inauguration Day, which many will view as a day that will remain in infamy.
And we have a guest returning to the program today. I'm thrilled to have him back. He will be familiar to many of our listeners, if not most. His name is Doug Wilson, a conservative, reformed, and evangelical theologian.
He is pastor at Christ Church in Moscow, Idaho, a faculty member at New St. Andrews College, an author and speaker, founder of Canon Press, host of the Applied Theology Podcast, or as he calls it, a plodcast, and blogger at Blog and Mayblog.
And today we are going to address the gods of civil unrest and Jesus mobs, which is a blog article, a very lengthy blog article that Doug recently wrote in reaction to the storming of the Capitol recently.
And I am conducting this interview by the urging, the enthusiastic and excited urging of my dear friend, who I've interviewed many times in this program, Dr. Joseph C. Moorcraft III, the pastor of Heritage Presbyterian Church in Cumming, Georgia.
And although Dr. Moorcraft and Doug have not seen eye to eye on certain theological issues, Dr. Moorcraft was utterly blown away by this article, even to the point, as his wife Becky put it, to the point of tears.
And he enthusiastically encouraged me to read it and to book Doug to discuss this subject today. And also, that was later confirmed, the importance of this article was later confirmed watching the dividing line right after that, and hearing my guest and my mutual friend, Dr. James R. White of Alpha Omega Ministries, also enthusiastically plug the article.
But it's my honor and privilege to welcome you back to Iron Trip and Zion Radio, Doug Wilson.
Doug Wilson. Great to be with you.
Peter Robinson. And if you could, before we get into our discussion, tell our listeners about Christchurch in Moscow, Idaho.
Doug Wilson So, Moscow, Idaho. Peter Robinson How would you describe the church theologically? Doug Wilson Well, obviously, you are thinking or being.
Prepared for the initial knee-jerk reaction that many have, because they immediately will think of the PCUSA, because many people are typically unfamiliar with other Presbyterian denominations that are very faithful to the scriptures, like the Orthodox Presbyterian Church and the Reformed Presbyterian Church in the United States, and in varying degrees, the Presbyterian Church in America.
But, and there are others as well, of course, but...
Peter Robinson My confessional...
Doug Wilson. You are a part of a fellowship of churches, are you not? Is it not the CREC?
Peter Robinson CREC, Communion... Doug Wilson Okay, great. Well, if anybody.
Wants more information on the Christchurch in Moscow, Idaho, you can look that up at their website, which is Christkirk, which I believe is the Scottish word for church, Christkirk .com, Christkirk .com.
And this article that you wrote, The Gods of Civil Unrest and Jesus Mobs, was obviously, as I already stated, in response to the recent storming of the Capitol Building. Before you even get into that specific action that took place, can you tell us what your first reaction was when you just saw the crowds, the massive, massive crowds there before anything.
Illegal was taking place? Peter Robinson. Simple faith in God and Christ. How can we make our voice? Doug Wilson. My program was actually.
Live streaming at one point on a different network. And sometimes when I would have to air a rerun, there would be a goof up. And instead of running an old episode of my show, I'd be listening, I'd be tuning in just to make sure that they had the right episode on.
And here's Alex Jones in my slot. I'm like, what? I had to call them on several occasions. What are you doing? And they thought I was out of my mind for being upset about that. But so let's define some terms here.
Who are the gods of civil unrest?
Peter Robinson. And how about defining for us Jesus mobs? Obviously, not everyone amongst those crowds.
Of thousands at the Capitol Building didn't identify themselves publicly as Christians or as Jesus groupies or anything. I mean, there may have been many that did, but it wasn't the universal thing amongst the crowd.
So what do you mean by Jesus mobs?
Doug Wilson. The theological liberals, you might say was you had the rent a mob. There's another group, the Sermon on the Mount over against the Pharisees. You can see this in the way that the Jewish leaders had to go about arresting them at night.
It says when they go to arrest the apostles, they handle them very gingerly, very high opinion, right? You know, in Washington, although I believe that there were many genuine in that demonstration. I know some.
I think a lot them are people who would think that Jesus is good, and the Bible is good, and God is good, and traditional values are good. And that's sort of the full extent of their theology, secular progress in the New Testament.
Speed on what Jesus that we make the hard left rioting mobs. It's you can't just take one size, one size fits all.
Doug Wilson.
This is an area, this whole area of public demonstration, being a part of protests, and large gatherings or gatherings of any size, publicly, where Christians are involving themselves, whether it be pro-life demonstrations, or demonstrations, or gatherings for any other reason, that the church is sharply divided, you have those that even would be theologically closely aligned with you and I, on one end of the spectrum, who would believe that the church, even though individuals have freedoms and liberties to do things, as as individuals, that the church should not participate in these kinds of things as an official function of the church.
And there are those others on the other side, totally on the other side, 180 degrees, on the other side of the spectrum, who would even dare to say that those who believe that, that the church should not be involved in the political arena or in public demonstrations, they would even say that they would be in sin for being complacent, or indifferent, or not involved in the culture.
And in fact, both sides might call each other's guilty of sin. In this, this whole question, where do you land? And I know, there are nuanced and varying degrees of difference in the middle of those two extreme sides, but where are you on this?
Okay, so I guess Jesus rose from the dead. And that is, into the public square, what the Great Commission requires in heaven and on earth, has been given to me. So all authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me.
And then he says, therefore, go disciple the nations, rise them and teach them to obey Jesus. And that means no homosexual marriage. That means no more killing the babies. That means we have to repent, belong to the public square.
Now when we go into the public square, we want to make sure that we don't go there and tell lies. And we call the event citizen mind being at a big march, together with Muslims and atheists. Let's call it Christian include Mormons and not Orthodox.
I say no, I'm more than willing to occupy go into the public square of human life. But I don't want to connect it to I want to make sure that we keep our testimony. I don't have any problem being there.
And be sure.
Yeah, what complicates matters is sometimes when these gatherings occur. There are people, as you mentioned in the first category, where it might be just something like a citizens for life. Yeah, demonstration, where you might have Roman Catholics in mass, no pun intended there, where you have like perhaps even dozens or hundreds of people reciting the rosary.
And here you are standing or marching or walking right near them or next to them. And giving a false impression to outlookers witnesses that you approve of this kind of devotion. I remember our mutual friend, Dr. James R. White.
At one point years ago, I believe it was back in the 80s, maybe the 90s. He was a part, an active part of a pro life organization, and he had to step down voluntarily from his involvement because he was reprimanded for evangelizing Roman Catholics during the event.
Who were doing things and saying things in public that he adamantly opposed. So if you could just say a few words about that caveat.
Yeah, so a hundred people walk by and 95 of them are Roman Catholics saying rosary, and then you've got one Methodist, two Baptists, and two Presbyterians. I'm fond of saying that if there are 12 clowns in a circus ring, you can jump down there and start reciting Shakespeare.
But to the audience, you're just the 13th clown. Right. I'm not sure at the moment this is what that is. Are you there, brother? Hello? Yeah, for some reason you cut out. And, you know, all the people marching down this avenue are Bible-believing evangelicals, and the rosary people are a half mile away.
You know, then people are not going to make the wrong, they're not going to jump to the wrong conclusion. I think I'm responsible to make sure that my testimony to the gospel is in R. I have been quite concerned over the years when I have seen and heard.
The responses of fellow believers, some of whom are even Reformed. This would typically not be elders or pastors, but your average Joe and Jane in the pews, who have been so enamored, for instance, with Glenn Beck, that they swear that he is a regenerate born-again believer in spite of his commitment to Mormonism.
And Glenn Beck, I don't know if you remember, he had been a, he had spearheaded a major event gathering in Washington D .C. years ago, and the thing that got me very upset and concerned about this event was that Glenn Beck was very clear, this is not a political gathering, it is a spiritual one.
And if he had kept it as a political gathering by identity, I would not have been necessarily upset by it, the fact that he was calling it a spiritual event, and then to the clueless ears of the thousands of Christians, evangelicals, that were in the audience, he was teaching in very subtle ways, but those that know Mormon doctrine, their ears perked up because they recognized it, he was teaching Mormonism.
He was teaching things that were unique about Mormonism, about the fact that Jesus walked the earth in the United States, or should I say, on the continent of North America, and so on. So we have to be careful about how and when and where we align ourselves with those that share our moral convictions and social convictions and political convictions, but who really oppose the Christ of the scriptures.
And this is 20 ,000 National Guardsmen, a lockdown inauguration, putting the lid on, and then turning the, when that happens, basically, you've got to know Roman Catholics are going to react, it comes at your fingertips, are going to be revealed under stress, much more markedly.
And we have to go to our first break right now. If anybody would like to join us on the air with a question of your own for Doug Wilson, our email address is chrisarnson at gmail .com. C-H-R-I-S-A-R-N-Z-E-N at gmail .com.
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Things in his design. Thank you. Welcome back. If you just tuned us in our guest today for the entire program is Doug Wilson, pastor of Christ Church in Moscow, Idaho, and a very well-known writer and speaker.
We are discussing a blog article of his, The Gods of Civil Unrest and Jesus Mobs. This was written in response to the recent storming of the Capitol building. And if you have questions of your own, our email address is chrisarnson at gmail .com.
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And we do have a listener who has written a question for you, Doug. His name is Prasanth from New York City. In fact, he is a relative. I think he's the nephew of the man whose voice you just heard in the ad for Dr. Banu Gadi, the pharmacist that has become a very important advertiser on this program.
And Prasanth says, I would like to ask what words you would have for those ministers who continue to only hold online services rather than in person and or strictly mandate masking at all times during the services and enforce government capacity limits.
Can you please address the big picture dangers of ceding the authority of the state?
Yes, so here, this is the thing that we're trying to get our on any given work. If you're in the middle of a worship service, and the fire chief comes in and tells you that the roof of the church is on fire, I don't think you need to convene a meeting if the session is coming.
All of these things, civil magistrate with this pandemic been going on for coming up on a year. It's not bogus in the sense that there's no such thing as COVID or that there's no such thing as wildly disproportion to comparable issues.
And I think that plays that's being run on them are are being negligent in the extreme. If you're in California, let's say, and you're and you're being told that abortion clinics are issues are not essential Christian leaders.
It has really been mind boggling to me to see people who are so theologically aligned, have such sharp divisions over this, I have had some very, very nasty things said to me from fellow reformed brethren, because of my disdain for the mask mandates.
And they just, they are just totally convinced that the science proves that this is going to be a way to demonstrate love for your neighbor, because you are going to lessen the spread or prevent the of the coronavirus.
And I just had some visit physicians on the program yesterday who, who said that that is just as ridiculous as trying to stop mosquitoes, getting into your house with a chain link fence. And so it's just, it's just been amazing to me to see the differences of.
Opinion on this. By the way, I would want sure. Yeah. It has been such a tragic and sad thing.
I even know personally, some folks that had left the fellowship of the church years ago, and we're just starting to return to church after years of forsaking the assembling of the brethren. And they were being counseled and so on.
And this whole coronavirus mandate that initially occurred, kind of got them out of the practice of going to church, going to worship. And to my knowledge, they haven't returned since then. Now, obviously, they are not guiltless in their reluctance to quickly return when the congregation returned to public worship.
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So thank you, Prasanth, for your very first question on I Interrupt and Sign Radio. I hope to hear from you again and often. We have John in Bangor, Maine, who asks,. You seem to be discouraged and opposed to the gatherings in Washington, D .C., recently, even before the criminal activity by some began, which there is some clear evidence that at least some of those people were not even conservatives but were a part of the Antiva movement.
I was wondering, would you be opposed to Christians being a part of this very large protest, if it did not have any criminal activity, just because of the fact that these were honest Bible-believing Christians who were opposed to the fact that, in their opinion, from evidence, the election was stolen from President Trump?
There wasn't enough, importantly, got in there, and there was a Black Lives Matter guy that was inside in the crowd, and they stole an election. But my question is, why was it so in there and get control?
Who would think that that sort of thing? I think we need more operating in 19...
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That's also the email address where you could send in a question to Doug Wilson on the gods of civil unrest and Jesus mobs. That's chrisarnson at gmail .com, chrisarnson at gmail .com. And we have an anonymous listener for you, Doug, who says, I'm constantly being mocked and made fun of by fellow brothers and sisters in Christ, even in my own church, because they think I'm a conspiracy theory nut.
And I was wondering, since I have read your blog article, you seem to be clear that your blog will likely not be permitted to exist for very long. You do have a backup plan, I understand. But as far as what you are currently doing, you think that the governing authorities or the social media crowd who are in control will shut you down.
Am I right in categorizing your words in that fashion?
And am I just a conspiracy theory nut? Brother Doug, you're really muffled. How's that? Yeah, that's better. Things like already been here is called reform basics. And we were platforming them on Amazon crime show that I had to say that big tech is coming after us.
You have to be well, thank you, anonymous. And yeah, that's another thing that Christians are.
Dividing over. Now, obviously, you and I don't know this individual, because they may be saying other things that would lend their friends and brothers in Christ to come to the conclusion that they were conspiracy theory nuts.
But these, there are certain things that have already demonstrated themselves as being factual, like what you were just saying about being censored and so on. Absolutely. Thank you, anonymous. And if you are a first time questioner, please let me know and give me your full name and mailing address off the air, of course, because we're not going to identify you being anonymous, then you will receive a free new American Standard Bible.
So please do that as soon as you can. And CVBBS .com will send that out to you. I we were touching before, when we on this before, but if you could expand a little bit further on Christless conservatives, and also get into a comparison and contrasting of that with.
Some Chris syncretistic Christian conservatism. Yeah, yeah, one of the things that profoundly affected by America has is like the prodigal son didn't earn the money himself who like the turning out to be.
You're going to have to argue many good things recognize I've seen.
Different reactions to what you are saying, which I agree with 100%. But there are different reactions. There are some that would go too far in your response in reaction. And they would say remember, it doesn't matter if you're voting for somebody that is pro abortion, or pro homosexual marriage, or any of these things, because that's not the gospel.
We have liberties as brothers and sisters in Christ to vote for whom we we should we want to vote for. And we have to not confuse the gospel with these political problems and differences that we have in our culture.
And then of course, you have some who would radically oppose that and say no, I mean, there are things that transcend political issues. Abortion is murder. And obviously Christians cannot be in any way complicit in supporting anyone through their vote or otherwise who believes in the mass genocide of unborn children and believes in sodomy as a completely acceptable and even praiseworthy activity and lifestyle and identity and go we could go on and on and on with that.
So they would say it's a sin to vote for anybody that would be promoting these things, especially if they are aggressively and enthusiastically promoting these things. So how do you respond to these different reactions to the the the combining of secular conservatism with.
Christianity? I would be objective gospel subject throughout all scripture, jaws of Molech claim the gospel. What further do you have to say about comparing and contrasting Christless conservatism with syncretistic Christian conservatives?
Yes, syncretistic, wing and the right wing, right wing would be, you know, carrying your combining Christ and the MAGA hat because are not very sophisticated combined, they, they combine, for example, not like the MAGA hat.
And we have Arnie.
In Perry County, Pennsylvania, who says, before we were talking about it being completely legitimate to be a part of public protests, but we have to be very cautious and leery about really massive crowds.
The problem is, you don't always know, before you get to this public event, that it will turn into such a massive event that will be easily steered by the wicked in the crowd. Can you tell us what to do?
In your opinion? Do you have counsel? Should we leave such a crowd if it's physically.
Possible, etc? Yes, basically, this is what everybody on the field on that team is exactly where they needed to be disciplined and focused. Then you've got quarterback who's, sometimes he can make things on Washington, I think it would be wise for trying to ride the avalanche down.
I don't think I just think it's important as a venture. So I'm assuming then, you would think that if somebody.
Wound up there and this massive sea of humanity that didn't realize it was going to turn out to be that large, that if they could wriggle their way out of that crowd that they should leave.
Yeah. And then they're in the middle of this mob. And they've noticed that the assurances that they had, unless I know what the plan, we do have a first time questioner, who is.
Somewhat off topic, but it's not completely off topic. His name is Sam from Salem, Oregon, or Oregon. Hello, Pastor Doug, I listened to your debate a while back ago on does God decree evil? Or should I say, does God decree all evil?
I agree with your position. In that debate, you said something to the effect that we are to rejoice or be happy in the evil that happens or tragedies that happen. What does that look like under this Harris Biden regime?
For us Christians?
Yeah, so I think that's a great praise and overreach of the United States. I mean, totally wrecks the economy that I stopped killing babies. That would be worth it. Right. So I, I, if I'd rather be a citizen killing babies, rather be in the long run, stupidity doesn't work, even though it doesn't.
He's on one side of the got the knife in the air. He's standing on the banks, lapping at their toes. I urge you, please write a book with one.
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Let's see here. We have another question. We have CJ in Lindenhurst, Long Island, New York, and he has a question. I keep hearing James White on the dividing line mentioned the sweater vest dialogues.
What on earth is that?
I think we've done three or four of those. James White, I commonly wear sweaters. He wears these, I keep forgetting the name of them. He has a very colorful sweater that I wear. Somebody dubbed it the sweater in a video feed.
And then James and I talk about some theological topic. And it's once a month. It's happened. You can probably find them on Facebook.
One of the things that I love about your friendship with him is that it started after a debate that you had when you were both holding to opposite positions in a debate. And on the topic that.
We're debating, we were debating that. That's right. But we're good friends.
Thank you, Arnie, for your question. Actually, that was CJ. I'm sorry. CJ in Lindenhurst, Long Island. Thanks for your question. Going back to a question that I think it was Sam in Oregon, Salem, Oregon asked.
Yes, it was him. I forgot. I wanted to ask my own follow up question. There are differences of opinion amongst brothers in Christ on how we should respond, treat, talk about, publicly address Joe Biden and Kamala Harris because these individuals differ on whether they were legitimately elected into office or whether this was a fraudulent election stolen basically from Donald Trump.
And so there's a difference of opinion on the two different groups. Or even you might have some that believe, agree that the election was stolen, but still they will say this happened as as a part of God's foreordained orchestration.
He is sovereign. He raises up all rulers, no matter who they are. So we have to give them the utmost respect. We should not mock them. We should not make fun of them. We should not publicly be unkind toward them, etc.
And then you have others that say, Oh, no, these people are not really are legitimate rulers and leaders, etc. So how do you respond to that? That difference?
Yeah, yeah, there are sides about Paul says, God points out that was evil. The other thing is fraudulent. Say that he got away with it. He has done. And presidential administrations downstream from don't think you can go back upstream and say everything after that point was illegitimate.
The status quo, true oddity in that one man died, then everybody dies. He being high priest, Caiaphas is people in history. And not only was he the high priest, but he was the high priest descended from over in Alexandria, Egypt.
There was a false temple actually in the courts. And there was a battle back claiming that he was another blog post I did within the last month. The year in in at 68. It's known as the year of the four emperors, Nero was forced to commit suicide.
And then a destination was the general in Jerusalem, besieging Jerusalem, when Nero committed suicide. And then there were three Galba, and they all rained and came back to take over. And he established the Flavian going to be there matter.
We as well, we've got to do whatever Galba says. No way. We've got when things are in turmoil, you can withhold judgment. If the Civil War is not over yet. And we're going to.
Our final break, it's gonna be a lot more brief than the last ones. If you could, Doug, have in front of you, and it's up to you if you want to read it, or if you want me to read it, but you have an excellent quote by Theodore Dalrymple.
I think it has a lot of bearing, especially on what you were saying earlier about your you're being convinced that they are going to the powers that be in the social media anyway, are going to shut down your, your blog, at least, until you have a backup plan that relaunches it.
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A weekly sponsor of Iron Sharpens Iron Radio. Welcome back, and Doug, if you could, I would love for you to read that quote that I mentioned by Theodore Dalrymple.
We'll do. Propaganda, when they're being told the most obvious lies, or even worse, when they are forced to repeat the lies, some small way to become evil oneself. Just anything. I think if you examine political correctness, it has the same effect, and is intended to.
That is chilling and so true.
And the whole idea of our enemies in the media always resorting to mockery rather than actually dealing with facts, rather than dealing with public debate, controlled, moderated debate, and so on. If you just make your opponent look like an idiot because you're laughing at him, people aren't going to take your opponent seriously, as if they have any allegiance to, or affection towards, the leftist in the media doing that.
Right. And even their rejection,.
Because they just say, what an idiot. You must have three heads to humiliate you.
The only problem I have with my whiteness is that I am sometimes embarrassed by my pastiness, and do need to get out in the sun more often. I would like you, and first of all, I know already that if you are willing, I'd love to have you back to do another program on the same blog article, because we've only really scratched the surface.
So if you'd like to return, I would love to have you come back as soon as possible. But I'd like you to summarize for now what you most want etched in the hearts and minds of our listeners today about this subject.
Sure. Thank you very much.
I believe that this picture of America, in any kind of good, I think I have time for one more.
Question. The question is, are you post-millennial? And how does that play into the rapid decline of America as a constitutional republic? Yeah, great question. That's an anonymous listener,.
By the way. Sorry. Okay. Okay. I am post-America is not signed up for abortion on demand being one of them. We have time for one more. We have BB in Cumberland County, Pennsylvania, who says,.
I believe in American exceptionalism, but I have seen it go on awry and turn into straight out idolatry. What are your thoughts on this?
Yeah, my take on American exceptionalism is that when Babylon was on top, the British Empire was on top, the American founders used firewalls for not to be trusted that they gave us. Well, thank you, BB.
And as I said, Doug, if you could hold on the line until I go off the air,.
Because I'd like to give you a proper goodbye, but also want to schedule a follow-up interview with you. I want to make sure our listeners have your church website. It's christkirk .com, christkirk .com.
And if anybody is interested in the blog that you run, that website is dougwills .com, Doug Wills, an abbreviation for Doug Wilson, dougwills .com. And then just look for the information about the blog and also the podcast, or as you like to call it, aplodcast.
And by the way, what do you mean by that?
I wrote a book.
Well, I want to thank you so much for being on the program today. I want to thank all of our listeners, especially those who took the time to write. Please remember to tune in tomorrow when we have Ryan Denton and Joe Jackiewicz on the program again, and also Friday for Jason Garwood.
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