September 22, 2020 Show with Peter Robinson on “The Fall of the Episcopal Church & the Rise of Biblically Faithful Episcopal Bodies”

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Good afternoon, Cumberland County, Pennsylvania, Lake City, Florida, and the rest of humanity living on the planet earth who are listening via live streaming at ironsharpensironradio .com. This is Chris Arnzen, your host of Iron Sharpens Iron Radio, wishing you all a happy Tuesday on this 22nd day of September 2020, and I'm thrilled to have a first-time guest today.

His name is Peter D. Robinson, and he is the presiding bishop of the United Episcopal Church of North America. He also serves as ordinary of the Missionary Diocese of the East and rector of Good Shepherd Anglican Church in Waynesboro, Virginia.

The Fall of the Episcopal Church and the Guest's Background

And today we are going to be discussing the fall of the Episcopal Church and the rise of biblically faithful Episcopal bodies. And it's my honor and privilege to welcome you for the very first time ever to Iron Sharpens Iron Radio, Bishop Peter D. Robinson.

Hello there.

It's great to have you on the program, and you came by the way by the strong urging and high recommendation of a faithful listener of this program in Long Island, New York, who himself is a traditional Episcopalian or Anglican named Michael.

And we thank Michael for his strong recommendation of our guest today. Before we go into the theme at hand, we typically have our first-time guests give a summary of their salvation story, what kind of religious atmosphere, if any, they were raised in, and what kind of providential circumstances our sovereign Lord raised up in their lives that drew them to himself and saved them.

And obviously, we have a wide variety of stories by brothers and sisters in Christ, because some were nurtured in the faith since infancy, and they don't remember a time when they did not know and love Jesus.

And then, of course, you have those stories that are much more of a stark contrast, the much more of a black-and-white situation, where you have somebody who was living as an open rebel, hostile to a God and his word, who was radically transformed into a faithful follower of Christ.

But tell us your story in summary form.

Really, I grew up in an environment where Anglicanism was...

Assuming, judging from your accent, that this was taking place in England. Now, what was it that the Lord providentially used in your life that drew you into an interest in entering into the ministry and believing that you had received a call from God to actually become a minister?

There were...

Kind of took my slight interest...

And when you... Go ahead, I'm sorry.

Sorry, you go ahead.

I was just going to say, when you were finally accepted that call into the ministry, was that in the Anglican Church in England? Was it in the Episcopal Church's main denomination here in the United States?

Where was that? So, tell us about the United Episcopal Church of North America, where you are now the presiding bishop. Tell us about when this denomination, if you will, was formed. The circumstances surrounding its formation and how you got called into it.

Now, if you could, for our listeners, especially, who are not Episcopalian or Anglican, who are not familiar with the 39 articles, if you could give us a summary of their background. I know that they have their origins with Archbishop Thomas Cranmer, who I consider to be a great hero of the faith.

And I think that the 39 articles really separate those who are truly Protestant Anglicans and Episcopalians, as opposed to Anglo-Catholics, because there are things in amongst the 39 articles, there are teachings, that obviously no one who was a more Tractarian or Oxford movement Anglican or Episcopalian would be able to adhere to, because of the strong stances against some key Roman practices and beliefs.

But if you could, tell us about the 39 articles.

The 39 articles are...

I'm sorry? No, I'm actually... I want you to be as thorough and detailed as possible. We do have two hours, so that's more than wonderful. In fact, if anybody listening wants to, after this program is over, they want to find out more about the primary framer of the 39 articles, Thomas Cranmer, you can go to the archive of this program, ironsharpendesignradio .com, and click on podcast past shows, and in the search engine type in Ashley Null, or even just Null, N-U-L-L, and you will get a number of interviews pop up, the audio links for those interviews, with Ashley Null, and at least two, I believe, on the subject of Thomas Cranmer.

Now, if you could, tell us a little bit more about the prayer book, the Book of Common Prayer that you just mentioned, because that may be something that's also very unfamiliar to those in our listening audience who are outside of your orbit of denominational associations.

Prayer book that we do American revival mass, but the actual...

In fact, what you are speaking of now is very reflective of a beautiful church in New York City, the Episcopal Church of St. George's in Manhattan, currently the rector there is a friend of mine, Jacob Smith, it is still in the major Episcopal Church denomination, although Jacob Smith is very conservative, very biblically oriented, and very committed to the Thirty-Nine Articles.

Yes, he is.

And he gave me a tour of the building, which was apparently designed, at least designed in part, by Stephen Ting, the 19th century Low Church Episcopalian Calvinist rector there. In fact, that's why Jacob took the call to that congregation, or at least why he initially pursued it, because he loved Ting and the legacy that he has left.

And it's a beautiful church in its simplicity. And the way that Jacob described it, that he didn't want... Ting did not want anything distracting from the pulpit, where the Word of God was being proclaimed.

And the Lord's table was a very simple table, with the chalice and the plate for the bread. And there was no cross, even, at least in fact, to this day, it looks exactly the way Ting left it. The only thing that was hanging on the wall were the Apostles' Creed and the Ten Commandments.

And that's quite normal.

In fact, Jacob has said that his colleagues, who are Low Churchmen, they have called those that become higher and higher. In their liturgy, they have referred to it as climbing the candlestick.

In fact, I'm going to have you pick up right where you left off,.

Because we have to go to our first break right now.

Okay.

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Welcome back. This is Chris Arnzen. If you just tuned us in, our guest today is Bishop Peter D. Robinson, the presiding bishop of the United Episcopal Church of North America. And he's also the Ordinary of the Missionary Diocese of the East and Rector of Good Shepherd Anglican Church in Waynesboro, Virginia.

If you'd like to join us on the air, our email address is chrisarnzen at gmail .com. Chrisarnzen at gmail .com. If you have a question for Bishop Robinson, we are discussing the fall of the Episcopal Church and the rise of biblically faithful Episcopal bodies.

And before the break, you were discussing something that I did not know. You were saying that the majority of Anglicanism was dominated by exclusive psalmody until somewhere in the mid 19th century, was it?

Early to mid 19th century.

Was that also the case with strictly acapella worship? Because I know that I read a really fascinating book called Old Light on New Worship by John Price, and he seems to have done exhaustive research.

He, in this book, dates the very first Presbyterian church in the United States to have an organ to the 19th century. Is that by conviction or they just couldn't afford it or?

They had small organs.

But there was, I'm assuming from something you said earlier, there was a considerable movement in the Anglican church to be strictly acapella.

Yes.

Now, going back to your involvement in the United Episcopal Church of North America, we had you explain how it came into existence in the early 1980s, if I'm not mistaken.

Yes.

And so forgive me if you've mentioned this. I don't know if I may have been distracted by something technical on my end, but how were you specifically called into that denomination? And was there a choice that you had to make where you had to finally cut ties with another group, perhaps the major Episcopal church or what have you, if you could explain?

What I'm assuming from everything that you said.

Is that you are a low church Anglican.

I'm actually clueless.

Okay. Yes, I do know that high church versus low church does not mean Anglo-Catholic versus evangelical or Protestant, that there are high churchmen who are indeed 39 Articles men and very Calvinistic as well.

In fact, we've got to pick up where you left off there again. I'm sorry, we have to go to another station break, but that's the only way we can remain in existence.

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